Thats steam- Not Vrhat
#vrchat-general-2
umbral reef
rigid crescent
Lots of steam games let that happen
umbral reef
And its extremely common in games. Just takes one or two extra steps in all games really so...
rigid crescent
It's more likely both to be honest
umbral reef
VRchat can not use the tools from steam as they do for the oculus client (because gee- Its the oculus one). But its not there fault that steams security is laugh worthy.
rigid crescent
You think with all this insider info that's all hearsay you'd know this publicly known and easily verified fact 
umbral reef
Most people barely understanding what an IP or how it gets used. Its not odd people accept any bullshit they get spoon-fed by there friends or anyone in a 'higher rank position' then them.
earnest harbor
man, it really has been far too long... I forgot how toxic this chat was
covert linden
I heard from my friend if you sneeze on someone in vr theyll sneeze irl
rigid crescent
What part was toxic? The part where I told you that you're wrong and oclac explained why?
Or the part where I said your friend's info is probably not reputable
umbral reef
But again- Spoofing a user isnt as easy as people make it seem.
There is more then one step they can use to make sure its not false. And they do actually reply to all emails (that arent extremely badly written). So Mic's comment on just sending them an email to be sure about actions agaisnt your account can save your but.
The game is not stable, but it is safe.
earnest harbor
"safe" yeahhhh about that.
winged igloo
Security can always be improved because there are always people trying to break their way in, this is not just an issue felt by VRChat, but every company. The team is always working towards increased security, just the public facing effects of this work are not always very noticeable
umbral reef
There have been plenty of extreme exploits- All got taken down and disabled before they became public knowledge.
earnest harbor
you sure about that?
umbral reef
And leaking an ip is not an extreme exploit.
winged igloo
And hey, if you think you have experience in security systems, they are looking to hire a security engineer
safe prism
hire me so i can make the web ui less 2009
heavy dawn
I'd love the chance to look at the source, but I am pretty happy in my current job.
placid halo
heavy dawn
Like, improving VRC security is something I'd almost do for free just to enjoy the game more. Unless they were willing to pay as much as I make now and my skill set actually gives them what they need, I don't think it'd make sense to take it on as a full time job. 🤷
But there are lots of really analytical CS peeps out there. Problem is they'll be offered really good wages probably.
I bet the people making the exploits don't really have the credentials listed in the job listing but could do a good job of patching them anyway...
winged igloo
You can check out more info here if you want to: https://www.vrchat.com/careers
plucky fractal
hola
umbral reef
@heavy dawn a start up like VRC for sure should know that people from the community and experience with there product often are better then 'experts'
Most early start ups hire people who use there product loads (if its an service like Vrchat.), interns, people who they worked with in the past.
heavy dawn
I think the script kiddies breaking the game don't realize it though. Most people who are still in school or something don't realize half the time job postings are like a wish list, not a set of requirements.
My advice is usually: don't have a piece of paper, but you have experience that makes up for it? Apply anyway.
Either that or they have too much fun messing with people 😃
umbral reef
Ow yea- I seen what the job i got RN should have.
I got like 2 out of the 7 points :')
Meanwhile i instantly got hired after my internship and i know they want me the second im finished with school.
Edit: Most people in my company do not fit there job description in papers at all. They do in experience though.
Also Rn its more fitting for #general-media (and i actually have to work so ima stop talking anyway xd)
safe prism
i mean toxicity is easily limited
even on discord
cmd/ctrl+k
they've had it since early 2015
they used to also have a UI blurb that told you all about it but it left a lonnggg time ago
languid beacon
There needs to be a new rule, similar to Godwin’s law, only instead of nazis or hitler it’s the first person to call the rest a hive mind
Do you have time today to talk about our lord and savior tupper
heavy dawn
This is the only really big server I use on Discord. I tend to leave other ones that are problematic.
The smaller servers are all friendly. If they aren't I don't stay.
languid beacon
For Rod gave is only begotten ok I can’t do this
I find discord to be an insanely positive experience
I think a lot of your perception might be internal
winged thistle
so, what microphones are you all using for VR?
covert linden
XG
winged thistle
?
covert linden
Ive got an XG headset
winged thistle
ok, never heard of that
covert linden
It vibrates c:
urban jasper
I'm just using the mic built-in to the Rift
mighty nest
A vibrating headset...? 🤔
mighty nest
Is it on amazon?
covert linden
It might be I got it on source, ill see if I can find the model
Thats the exact one
winged thistle
I'm not really looking for a headset though
I already got nice headphones, I just need a good mic
mighty nest
I've never heard of vibrating headsets lol. I have a set of closed headsets that vibrate if I turn up the volume
rigid crescent
Always quick to drop the hivemind meme when multiple people disagree with someone. Never an argument for the other side just "multiple people disagree? Hivemind .
winged thistle
eh, they are a thing, but they're more gimmick than anything really
covert linden
This one has an on off toggle for the vibration but it makes the songs sound so much better
mighty nest
For music or games
covert linden
Music, less noticble for games but certain sounds make it vibrate so horror games may get scarier
It goes off when people earrape me inn vrc tho
Its sound is also outstanding
mighty nest
I have too many headphones for different applications, and I fear I'll need a different set when I get a vr rig x.x
covert linden
I use mine for vr, its got cloth cable or whatevee tis called so it works well
rigid crescent
When you're disagreeing despite facts telling another story there's no"opinion" to be had
"Fez loves the color yellow" is not an opinion. I'm claiming a fact. A fact that can be proven wrong.
rough pulsar
The whole anti-ping thing is honestly straight up stupid. You don't want to get that lovely red [1]? Change your goddamn fucking settings, they're there for a reason. If a server is using @ everyone all over the place just turn notifs off or leave.
rigid crescent
I think the issue people have is that some people just have the audacity to try it
As far as the @ everyone
That alone is just annoying
Why do you join just to get banned?
Why bother lol
safe prism
y e e t
mighty nest
🔨
vocal shard
lul
safe prism
so literally, even with the at-here/everyone mute, a mod could swap vrchatter and ping 40000 people regardless of their settings.
winged igloo
Pinging a role is like pinging an individual, so everyone who has that role will get pinged
rough pulsar
The vrchatter role isn't pingable.
safe prism
that's why i said "swap"
winged igloo
Never has been and never will be
rough pulsar
It'd practically be an everyone anyway.
vocal shard
Its not like mods would do that
mighty nest
Well, if you were a mod or a VR dev, wouldn't you need to have notifs on so you can be reachable? The rule in place is to stop unnecessary pinging so that real emergencies get addressed? Thats my understanding. Pinging another user isn't against the rules
winged igloo
Also the server may timeout as sending pings to 70,000 people is quite intensive
safe prism
oh god it's 70k now
umbral reef
just live close to a discord server 😏
safe prism
help us
rough pulsar
I mean, discord can barely handle a few thousand people loading a channel
winged igloo
Most people join for VRChat update announcements and model and world making support
vocal shard
Can everyone join a vc
Or is there a set limit without the manual limit
Imagine 70k people in one vc 
winged igloo
There are no VCs in this server which is why I always try to highlight the community run servers in #community-servers-old
rough pulsar
I'd except discord to have a VC limit, but then again this is discord so they've probably forgot to do something that basic.
umbral reef
Reported for advertising eret
vocal shard
damb
winged igloo
There is no set limit, but if you have a few hundred people in a single VC it will get pretty choppy
vocal shard
big yikes
winged igloo
The weekly Q&As we used to have on VRCC used to have 120 in a VC each week and that was with locking the VC to 99 users maximum
vocal shard
Oh god
winged igloo
There's rule 22, Fez
vocal shard
120 Ugandan knuckles
winged igloo
lol
vocal shard
Having flashbacks to my first day a few days ago being introduced into vr with Ugandan knuckles as my tour guide
rigid crescent
Discussion is fine it's advertising specifically that's theissue.
winged igloo
There is the #shameless-self-promotion channel which is designed to allow you to promote your own things
as well as #vrchat-videos and #vrchat-livestreams
Of course
rigid crescent
Lavender, Neos, Rec Room , etc come up plenty. It specifically says advertising
winged igloo
Just don't be like "everyone should try out this thing, it's so much better than VRChat. You can find more details here [link]" sort of thing
knotty ferry
Is it possible to make something than bigger on the inside than outside for VRChat
winged igloo
I imagine with some shader or map trickery you may be able to make it seem that way
dark narwhal
Yes that is possible to an extent
winged igloo
I've never seen anything like that other than pano-sphere sorts of things
or straight up teleporting you to another part of the map that is supposed to be the inside of whatever the thing is
woven steppe
Been in something similar... you turn a corner expecting the wall and there's an entire new hallway in it.
thick kindle
That effect has been done with stencil shaders, had a friend who did a thing where he made an avatar that would spawn a door and it would open and there's be a big room that is invisible from outside that is inside of it.
Can be done in a couple ways, but the ideal way I see it is with maybe three stencil shaders (and animations probably)
Looks like a small room unless you look through the door, and you could go inside of it.
kind nova
hai
knotty ferry
Ok thanks I’ll look into it
lapis rain
hello babes
heavy dawn
👋
abstract eagle
Heyhey
heavy dawn
ahoyhoy!
abstract eagle
I'm so ready to get off work and play more vrchat XD
winged igloo
Awesome!
abstract eagle
I need more humans to play with XD
frigid roost
Im currious... Question for the oculus users... Do your sensors have tracking problems too? Is your experience jerky too?
winged igloo
Mine's always been fine. Check that your setup is correct, maybe try it out in another VR game to see if it's just a VRChat thing or something else
covert linden
Yeah oculus tracking is suppose to be super good
vocal shard
Too bad its so much money
frigid roost
Its jerky all the time in oculus home or any other app. When i sculpt in medium it even creats unwanted clay strokes
vocal shard
Atleast for a jobless cunt like me
winged igloo
Weird, definitely make sure that your set up is all set up correctly
frigid roost
2 years no problem and suddenly over night... Bam
winged igloo
Check if there is an update or something
frigid roost
Like an oculus update?
winged igloo
Maybe, I'm not sure, if the problem persists it may be worth googling your problem or trying to contact Oculus support
frigid roost
I did contact support... They want me to make a movie
winged igloo
Download capture software like OBS an send them the video of what you record
heavy dawn
"With a clear line of sight, Oculus Sensor tracks constellations of IR LEDs to translate your movements in VR."
Hmm, has there been a sudden change in the light or reflective surfaces in your play area?
Or like... gunk on the sensors?
winged igloo
Check your sensors and follow the instructions of Oculus Support, we can't help out much here
frigid roost
So im an isolated case than.
winged igloo
I don't know, this is the VRChat Discord so I don't know much about how to fix issues outside of that other than stuff I've experienced myself or heard from friends
frigid roost
Im not expecting technical help... Just wanted to know if others experience similar issues.
heavy dawn
If you take a video of your Oculus plugged in and operating, do you see flashes of weirld lights from your camera? If so, it can capture IR. Try taking video when the Oculus is off. See if something in your room is emitting interference in the form of IR. 😄
Could be a dodgy cord or anything else like a bad USB port too though.
winged igloo
People are always having small issues with their VR, check over your set up if you haven't already to make sure everything's in order
frigid roost
Its the squad member with his night sight goggles who is hiding behind the box in the corner.
I have them all the time here
Hehe
I will try snd swap the sensors
heavy dawn
With Vive I always have weird tracking errors and I'm never sure if it's CPU or IR problems but it has become better since I put UV/IR filters on my windows. I have a big glass case beside my play area though and I'm not about to move that. :P
Most of the time it's spot on though.
In VRC I'll get slowdown such that the screen grays out but my display is like 90+ FPS inside the headset, but just the chaperone bounds are showing and the VR representation of my lighthouses.
But that's just... VRChat.
abstract eagle
Yea. I didnt realize that running using vr( I have the vive) is like really a lot of fine tuning and praying it works good XD
languid beacon
Flawless oculus tracking infinately more reliable than my vive ones
But one of my base stations is, in my opinion, defective, but HTC refuses to agree
heavy dawn
What makes you think that?
I guess by the time you figure that out, it's probably past the limit of when you can file a dispute with online retailers...
abstract eagle
Face it, vr is awesome even with minor tracking issues
winged igloo
It's hard to argue that VR isn't awesome lol
heavy dawn
It's definitely cool. 😄
languid beacon
My base station constantly blinks blue, meaning the motor can not keep speed and currently is not tracking. It is blue more often than green, indicating it is never tracking
It works correctly until about 30 minutes of being powered
umbral reef
Dont move the motors while they are still active! Power the stuff down then touch it!
languid beacon
Done with HTC forever
royal pond
I just saw a very weird message pop up on my vrchat during login, as if some hacker posted a moderation message containing garbled text. I've never seen this before and it only lasted a split second so I didn't have time to grab a screenshot, but I wanted to let any mod here know
umbral reef
The 'This is an announcement [random letters here]'
rough pulsar
@royal pond I believe that's just some error text they forgot to change to something normal.
umbral reef
And its not an error texst.
Its the default texst that gets displayed when no other information is able to load.
So there is nothing to worry about at all
royal pond
ah ok, well just letting people know, didn't know if it was reported or known
rough pulsar
While confusing it's harmless. It'll probably get fixed someday. Maybe.
heavy dawn
I bet they'll change it the moment they get too many error reports because of it. 😄
Like, it's a text change. Open file, modify text, create PR, move on.
umbral reef
It gets reported in here like once a month...
So unless people start mass voting on the canny i doubt they will change it unless a dev gets bored ;p
languid beacon
I keep hearing about it but I wish someone managed to snap a screenshot
umbral reef
@languid beacon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559243562064150544/559244783999123457/GlitchyVrChat.PNG Here is a link showing it off
covert linden
@hollow valley gj
hollow valley
ty
covert linden
The bot deletes it u goof
idle mason
lol hi
polar elm
Hi
umbral reef
Hello
urban jasper
Hiya
frail drift
seems like a new approach for people who crash players is portals.
rigid crescent
That's a classic tho
vocal shard
someone clapped my bpu 😦
queen mango
BPU?
stoic halo
I honestly forgot what bpu was
i know theres a song for it
oh i think i found it
ah thats why it was so hard to find, its unlisted.
vocal shard
If only nvidia geforce now wanted to run Vrchat :/
Then my potato computer will get frames
heavy bridge
Did you check if it's set to run on your integrated graphics card or without one at all?
vocal shard
@heavy bridge was dat for me? And if it was wat u mean by that
median basalt
Wow ok, apparently doppler's removal was intentional
Another feature gone for no reason lol
heavy bridge
@vocal shard I had no clue what you were saying... I was guessing that you were not running VRChat properly on your potato.
covert chasm
@median basalt I never saw doppler used properly, and in the cases where it was on, the magnitude of Doppler heard would require that you were running at like 80MPH IRL
median basalt
covert chasm
in every case I saw it on, it was a mistake
median basalt
That doesn't seem like an excuse to remove the entire feature, particularly for worlds
The YT link I just posted was a WIP world a friend of mine was working on which used it to great effect
covert chasm
yeah I know carkidd
median basalt
Forcibly removing it makes no sense
covert chasm
the problem is that AFAIK it is either on or off
not per sound source
but per scene
median basalt
It's a range slider between 0-5, individually per audio source
covert chasm
ah, well in that case maybe we'll circle around to it in the future
median basalt
I remember some avatars intentionally turning up their doppler as a "meme", my own sounds weren't affected
covert chasm
for now though, it made the most sense to just disable until we can get it such that people stopped enabling it by accident and emailing support (or just ignoring the issue, resulting in a world you basically couldn't move while talking in)
median basalt
Oh, it seems there is also a global per-scene (or per project?) doppler modifier https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/class-AudioManager.html
covert chasm
i don't doubt it
median basalt
If player voices are regular audio sources, you could also just disable the doppler on those.
covert chasm
but it is Yet Another Item on Yet Another Todo List
i imagine we'll eventually revisit it, but its pretty low prio, and the negatives far outweighed the positives
vocal shard
@heavy bridge nah i meant the nvidia geforce now app
Didnt have vrchat on it and i thought u had like a loophole xd idk what integrated g card is oof
median basalt
Getting fullbody soon but I'm not looking forward to the scuff that I keep hearing about, most notably the viewpoint sinking into the neck/chest while sitting
I heard something about an IK beta, hopefully that's still in the works
Or at least a switch to the proper VR IK component rather than the weird FBBIK one
upper fox
speaking of, why is sitting/standing weird again, in desktop? my feet were perfectly on the ground last month, now they are tiptoeing again
median basalt
Make sure that in the humanoid rig configuration, the feet are flat on the floor
And that you didn't, for rxampl, accidentally put the toes in the foot slot or something
upper fox
quite possibly, I put the wrong foot bones in, there is a parent bone that is in the same spot
upper fox
is that real? maybe a dev an answer
vocal shard
@median frost that's an error when it fails to load. It's just placeholder text.
upper fox
orly hahaha
vocal shard
But yeah, it gives a few people a scare sometimes. Lol
upper fox
how to fix?
vocal shard
It usually fixes itself
covert chasm
its the placeholder text, it only shows up if you couldn't retrieve the actual announcement for some reason
shy wharf
hallo
steep turret
solid
torn schooner
yo is anyone else's vrchat acting super wonky?
sitting at the menu for a good 5 minutes, then finally loading in and seeing I'm missing all my avatars, there's no other worlds and none of my friends are on lol
quartz osprey
that moment you import Ushader and it takes 4 hours to rehash all files in your project 
indigo fern
your nickname has 2 open parentheses but only 1 close parenthesis
indigo fern
lmao, i clicked on your name and it says new to discord, im this close to dming you "hi"
👌 this close
indigo fern
which guy?
vocal shard
A client user in VRChat
indigo fern
🤔
vocal shard
Saw you name and saw you used client and talked about it
indigo fern
havent you been saying that to multiple people here already?
indigo fern
so youre not the guy in #avatars-2-general asking to see their sdk?
indigo fern
yea, this conversation is no longer coherent
vocal shard
K hacker
indigo fern
take it easy out there
vocal shard
O.o
wooden rain
they are going to couples counseling its ok jamie shhh
indigo fern
Lmao, careful Jamie, me hackerman 😎
I'mma fry your gpu
vocal shard
How could you N8 
vocal shard
But really... Were they just finding random people and calling them hackers?
wooden rain
no idea, i barely play VRchat anymore because its like im in middle school again with all the drama
indigo fern
same, thats why i just hang with my friends
vocal shard
XD
wooden rain
ERP huh
indigo fern
ayy lmao
wooden rain
indigo fern
UwU
queen mango
Back to topic, I had a feeling that those guys would find a scapegoat to pin their accusations into.
indigo fern
the usual, same stuff different day
vocal shard
Detective elire back on the case
wooden rain
yeah some people threatened to do a bunch of graphical things to make me game crash
funny thing is i blocked them before they could do anything and made it so i could only see friends avatars
if you're going to do something do it dont announce it, havent they ever seen a super hero movie
indigo fern
lmao, classic super villain
wooden rain
ikr lol
indigo fern
very epic 
wise patrol
some cheeky script kiddie in Steel n Gold apparently can make bombs continuously spawn from my head. anyone else run into this?
queen mango
Not yet. Was he disrupting the whole game or was he giving an unfair advantage?
wise patrol
a bit of both. one bomb goes off, the other bombs go off because of how bombs chain together. this gives the other team an unfair advantage because I'm super easy to kill, but also causes everyone's frames to plummet because there's so many explosions
much more toward disrupting I guess
also continued to happen after match ended
queen mango
Oh wow.. was everyone still dying on the match lobby?
wise patrol
well they spawn as bombs that aren't grabbed, so everyone will be "fine" until someone grabs one
an odd thing is I think dying would cause them to stop spawning
but not sure
queen mango
Welp, disruption is quite much.
I suggest you send an e-mail report to moderation@vrchat.com
And also remember to follow the instructions at #moderation-reports first.
wise patrol
right. although I had an idea who was doing it I don't remember their username. I think I blocked their avatar though since they had one with no hitbox, so that'd single them out.
hidden lake
yeah honestly the laggers (and attention hoarders) make it difficult to enjoy the game as much
it's a shame i have to even block so many intrusive avatars and that me and my pals crash every other lobby
im a big fan of small rooms like room of the rain, something is a lot different
deep dome
anyone know where i could get a rainbow six avatar
vocal shard
Ihoiii
inner blade
I assume I email VRChat support to report a DDoS and crasher?
umbral reef
Jup
It's moderation@vrchat.com and look in #moderation-reports for more info.
inner blade
Got it, thanks 😃
minor bramble
You would need proof of ddos and crashing which is gonna be hard to get. but if its the guy that was being racist and you filmed it then you can get him for that maybe
tawdry hinge
Haven't been on vrc much but has the invite system being broken been acknowledged yet?
inner blade
I don't stream, I have no reason to record anything. I have logs, and witnesses. That's all.
ocean summit
What's the cheapest good quality headset you can get? I really would like to get a headset.
burnt gull
Oculus Quest I guess,It doesnt need a Powerfull Pc,And Its kinda cheap in my Opinion,But its releasing soon
wicked mirage
Quest is standalone
regal furnace
VR or Headphones+Mic?
wicked mirage
Quest doesn't connect to a PC, it's the same as Oculus Go
I mean there are other ways to use your PC with it but it's not ideal
regal furnace
I'd say the Rift is a pretty good VR headset
wicked mirage
@ocean summit what's your budget?
burnt gull
I believe there might be a program/app for Quest to play,They did Explain the methods so
wicked mirage
There is software now that let's you stream VR content from your PC over wifi but i don't know if the Quest has wifi support and like said it's not ideal compared to wired connection
burnt gull
I think they havent explained that part 'yet'
wicked mirage
Quest is like the Go, it's basically a high-end smartphone you port apps/games to that platform, it's not going to be the same experience as headset connected to a PC
ocean summit
@wicked mirage My budget is probably something under $1000, maybe $500 if possible.
And I would like a VR headset that connects to a PC, most likely.
burnt gull
I understand that,But What they did is they only explained most of the things that Quest Capable of,People are still asking if theres a way to play Pc vr games with that headset,Im still in between those ops
ocean summit
I use a tower... It's not a gaming tower, but it can run VRChat pretty smoothly.
burnt gull
Yeah,Were just reccomending
umbral reef
TBH
Unless you want really casual VR (so nothing big games and only gimmicks) get a WMR or rift s
tame nimbus
hey
wicked mirage
@ocean summit that's not a good way to determine if you have the min/required specs
i mean just saying that vrchat runs smooth in desktop mode
tame nimbus
ok
wicked mirage
what GPU/CPU/RAM do you have, do you have USB 3.0 support, bluetooth etc
ocean summit
oOf I'm not that tech savvy...
minor bramble
You could easily make a system that can run vr pretty good for around 600
wicked mirage
@ocean summit you can use this app to get a good idea if you're VR ready https://store.steampowered.com/app/323910/SteamVR_Performance_Test/
ocean summit
Thanks for that, Korecan. You're pretty helpful, y'know.
wicked mirage
that app is free
If you have 8GB or less of RAM I definitely recommend getting more especially with vrchat, I'm barely able to with just 8GB
remote verge
Hiii :) I'm new here
umbral reef
Welcome
remote verge
Thank you very much :)
wicked mirage
I mean 8GB is fine but I can't have vrchat and another app that uses a fair amount of memory at the same time like a web browser without running out of memory with all the other shit running in the background for windows and VR layers itself (hurry up OpenXR!)
lethal summit
@wicked mirage not even 32gb or 64 ram isnt enough to run vrchat trust me
vrchat only eats ram till your game will crash eventualy.
wicked mirage
yeah i know
lethal summit
the more ram u have the more time it takes till it fills up
if u play more on privates, 4 gb its enough.
wicked mirage
but I'm able to get by almost always, especially with the safety on to turn off the madness
I definitely need to upgrade my RAM though for sure
lethal summit
well ive upgraded to 8gb...
and works fine, of course i dont play on public without safemode on.
publics for me are unplayable
lag a lot
avatars having over 1 milions poligons
and most of them has over 200k
so much for vrchat limit...
wicked mirage
not just for vrchat, with all the freakin VR compatibility layers we have to deal at the moment until OpenXR becomes ubiquitous
ocean summit
I'm more worried it's gonna be my internet that drops for me
ocean summit
Oh that's great
lethal summit
but most of the avartar has too many dynamic bones thats why there is lagging anywhere
ocean summit
Oh right
wicked mirage
@lethal summit latest version of vrchat has DB limit which is on by default
the option is under the safety menu
teal radish
can kicking someone from your world affect player rank?
question for anyone who knows
lethal summit
@wicked mirage everyone keep saying that
but avatars keeps appearing more and more
umbral reef
@teal radish no one knows for sure as we never got official word on it. But from experience yes.
teal radish
i wanna kick a sleeping friend from my world but i dont wanna damage his rank gosh dang it
oh well
umbral reef
One kick won't hurt at all really.
still lark
could always push them through a portal if you can
wicked mirage
@ocean summit did you try the SteamVR Performance Test?
ocean summit
No, not yet. Getting there.
wicked mirage
Does anyone know if there are videos of a person doing surveys in virtual market 2?
that happened about a month ago
lethal summit
@umbral reef the rank doesnt damage when u kick some one
umbral reef
Plenty of reports from users who got kicked often that it does so
still lark
everything effects the rank, it's just by how much.
lethal summit
well i had a request once of how to decrease rank...and they sad you pretty much cant...only if ppl blocks or or getting banned
ocean summit
It's gonna take 4 hours and 30 mins to download... I'm gonna let it download overnight.
lethal summit
i get blocked by ppl a lot (no reason) or talking in different language.
wicked mirage
maybe your mic is too loud?
cold talon
People blocking because of language
Not cool 
lethal summit
or kicking u out for using a knuckle avatar and just hanging there doing nothing..
or randomly kicked out for exactly no reason...just a stupid guy starting a kicking vote.
plush osprey
you can hide your rank when you get to 'known user' and 'trusted user' to make yourself look like a green name plated user
queen mango
He doesn't want that.
dapper stump
Then thats a tough life choice
topaz notch
Lmao.
lapis rain
hello : 3
regal furnace
hey
vocal shard
im wondering is there a way i can check when my vrchat account has been created
tacit plank
I remember seeing something like that one the old API responses
Try opening your browser console (likely F12) and then logging into your VRChat account. Then look at the response for fetching your user information
vocal shard
ill try that out
cant seem to find anything
maybe the current api has it or is that a confirmed no?
tacit plank
I looked at one of the pages: https://vrchat.net/api/1/auth/userIt only has "last login"
vocal shard
yikes
tacit plank
https://vrchat.net/api/1/auth/user/notifications?apiKey=(apikey)&sent=false&n=75&offset=10
Mine shows back until first of january 2018
39th notification... I don't get invited a lot huh
vocal shard
do i just copy paste that in my browser?
tacit plank
Nah you need the apikey, well, it's probably public
Provided that you've logged into vrchat.net recently
vocal shard
i did log in on vrchat.net yes but i still get this as reply
{"error":{"message":"\"Missing Credentials\"","status_code":401}}
Did you log into vrchat.net or .com? Both are owned by vrchat, but you need to enter the API key for that one
vocal shard
im logged in on vrchat.net my url is even vrchat.net/home/worlds
tacit plank
And the url still fails? Don't know then
vocal shard
yep it still says the same thing
tacit plank
Could try another browser, don't know otherwise
vocal shard
pretty dumb that there is not just a tab that shows your profile info on the website i mean lets be honest its a common thing to show people these days
would have been lot more easier
bold agate
Hey
knotty ferry
How do you even check your rank
tacit plank
In game menu or the API
tacit plank
You might have to look in the browser console to see it, but yeah
rough whale
i dont play vrchat anymore cause my game crashes
plush cove
Can i ask 4 model requests here?
lethal summit
@plush osprey whats so hard to understand that i dont want those ranks?
covert linden
@lethal summit u can be seen as user tho
queen mango
To be honest, we've not met anyone who shares the same sentiment as you do.
covert linden
^
covert linden
You can be seen as a user which means theres 0 reason it being a secret to just you is too much
Which is basically disabling it..
safe prism
putting far too much weight on a color that doesn't matter
covert linden
^
covert linden
They probably wpuld if they could
grizzled cloak
what is the volume bar for those animation sounds
covert linden
Avatar sounds
grizzled cloak
thanks, ive been ear blasted few times now D:
covert linden
It is what it is
grizzled cloak
True that
lethal summit
i would give it to you if i could. @grizzled cloak
grizzled cloak
it's the thought that counts
queen mango
Umm..not just that, even if you can, there is no such function for such. It's your personal rank
lethal summit
yea..indeed. but probably gonna remove the acc and make new one..(rank reset)
knotty ferry
Average time to make a complete custom model from scratch?
minor bramble
Depends on how good you are at modeling and how much of a perfectionest you are
grizzled cloak
depends how good you are
knotty ferry
Hm
subtle prawn
and the quality of it
woven steppe
also depends on what you count as "finished"
minor bramble
im decent at modeling and im a perfectionest and its taken me like a month. but im also lazy and get side tracked
subtle prawn
Mt stick figure model from scratch 😃
woven steppe
Usually personal models are constantly a Work in Progress since the person will always decide to do some changes
I mean just the past 2 weeks my model's hair changed from thigh length ponytail... to shoulder length hair sans the ponytail... to what it currently is... an assymetrical waist length dodecatail/twintail.
woven steppe
for the whole model probably a week or less if you work all day on it
minor bramble
It could take you a day or a year its all up to how you work
woven steppe
definitely gonna take longer if you only do it from tiem to time
woven steppe
Well it should go by quick assuming you don't have to learn anything major.
knotty ferry
Ya
woven steppe
Learning the skills to do model work is the part that takes a long time
minor bramble
Honestly 5 hours a day for me would take me 3 week to get it to something i would say is up to my standards
knotty ferry
Ok and does rigging and all the other stuff take long too?
minor bramble
Nomrally for rigging i just use mixamo auto rig
woven steppe
Then the BIGGEST time sink is actually deciding what to put on the model
knotty ferry
Ah ok
minor bramble
I agree
knotty ferry
Oof
minor bramble
deciding what outfit is a huge part
knotty ferry
Spends 100 hours in character creation
minor bramble
Its basccally like playing skyrim modded
you spend hours modding
and only play for like a hour
then decide you hate it and change
woven steppe
I mean if you have the ability to change whatever you want on the model... your mind just ends up thinking up on new things to do...
minor bramble
What i recnelty did is decide on a spacific character to make with my base and thats what im sticking too
holy i cant spell
woven steppe
Which is a pain in the actual butt because making a hair mesh and rigging it takes me like... half an hour... took me two weeks to settle on the hairstyle I ended up with...
minor bramble
I dont normally rig hair or anything cause i like optimization but i think with some of the other characters i mkae im gonna have to get into rigging hair and such and im not extactly looking forward to it
knotty ferry
And I’m assuming it take years of learning to get to a point where you can make models that are decent
minor bramble
But shuvi dolo, yoshino, and both dead man wonderland and no game no life shiro's all have long hair that would look weird stiff
I wouldnt say years
knotty ferry
Hm ok
minor bramble
Yeah you could get basics down in a couple hours
woven steppe
Also I rig everything for the purposes of taking my blender renders...
I then remove all the non-essential bones before putting it in unity
this fact is what makes my personal model such a complete mess
minor bramble
Idk if blender has anything like this but i recntly found that Boolean button in maya works miracles on over laping mesh and such and makes berfect seams witt out mesh being inside of another
knotty ferry
Well thanks for the help
woven steppe
So you mean preventing Z fighting?
minor bramble
Pretty much. it was great when i was making the log cabin for my world cause all i had to do is a bunch of cylinders and when i was done just select all and click Boolean and bam no overlapping mesh
woven steppe
oh so it deletes the part of the mesh inside another closed mesh?
minor bramble
Yeah
woven steppe
Ok then this is not preventing Z fighting
and yes blender has that
though If I'm gonna make a log cabin... I'd build it in sketchup instead of blender
minor bramble
SOmeone told me to use sketchup to make it but ive never used sketchup
woven steppe
If you're like me and never bothered to look up what stuff do and just experimented... it's a bit of a pain in the side to figure out... but you'd figure it out within a day...
The biggest annoyance is that I always instinctively use blender controls... which of course doesn't work in the completely different program...
strange quarry
Question, when you get banned from VRchat are you supposed to be given a reason? Cause I have 2 friends whom were banned(who did nothing wrong) and they have the ban message without a reason. Just says they're banned for 2 weeks.
vocal shard
Eh, we got one stupid boi in comfy theater who's making people lag as hell... 1fps when entered...
covert linden
@strange quarry Tell them to login via website
strange quarry
My banned friend said the site doesn't load properly
covert linden
Hm try a diff browser?
umbral reef
If you use a VRchat account you can-
Log onto the website and go to your profile. There is a way to change it there @plucky creek
@strange quarry Upload it to imgur and then link it
woven steppe
you can post pictures in the pictures channel as well
since this is VRC related... should be fine
umbral reef
Tell them to not use a mobile to use the website...
The website is far from mobile friendly form my experience
strange quarry
Yes
Him and ThePhilPlays was banned for no given reason
They made a video on it
covert linden
the site isnt mobile friendly
strange quarry
They were either mass reported by people who hate them, a mod abused their powers, or its a new hack
covert linden
They can try resetting their router
umbral reef
They check all bans so mass reporting doesnt really work
Second can be a thing- Who knows, i dont at all.
Last- I highly doubt it mainly as the video you linked isnt even a perma ban
strange quarry
Would I get in trouble if I @ed the VRchat team?
covert linden
Yes
strange quarry
They're banned for 2 weeks
covert linden
Tell them to log in via desktop website, if you think this is an incorrect ban, they can try to appeal
if theyre banned for two weeks theyre banned
umbral reef
If they are really banned the only way to get contact with the staff team is to email moderation@vrchat.com
Even at there worse you an atleast get a reason for the ban.
If you send a proper email that is.
woven steppe
The fun part is that I'm friends with both Heavenly and the aformentioned little cloud
strange quarry
Same
I didn't think LittleCloud would be that type of person x.x
They said it's fucked on pc too
woven steppe
Is the site supposed to give info on the ban?
covert linden
Dunno ive just seen people say it might, never been banned myself
strange quarry
I don't know
umbral reef
If they are banned yes-
strange quarry
Same
woven steppe
I know a friend of mine got a 1 month ban because of "ban evasion"
But the info was shown to him on the login
woven steppe
also ban evasion because someone he made an avatar for was banned... then the system thought his account is an alt...
strange quarry
Oof
lethal summit
i know a lot of ppl that runs with different account while they got banned for crashing the servers...
woven steppe
Dunno if every other person he made an avatar for gets banned tho
strange quarry
They don't crash servers
lethal summit
lobby/room whatever
strange quarry
Most of the time they're in private worlds or friends+
lethal summit
selling avatars is alowed?
covert linden
yes
lethal summit
i heard some dudes that they buy avatars to play with.
covert linden
ive bought avatars
covert linden
the moderation email is to report people actually
strange quarry
Ye
covert linden
But there are instances if bans are unfair they do lift them
but its not always an 100%
strange quarry
Idk how quickly they respond though
That's good that they aren't lazy and will investigate
lethal summit
@vocal shard banned for what?
woven steppe
that's the point Speedy
covert linden
have u tried restarting your router like I suggested?
lethal summit
i dont think they ban some one without a reason.
woven steppe
This is literally why he's emailing them
spare sluice
do you have an avatar with the geddan emote?
woven steppe
A meme song/dance
iron thunder
How do I uninstall this game fully? I keep uninstalling and deleting folders and its still got the resolution I set it at before I uninstalled it the first time..
covert linden
@ meath The game normally zooms when you set it to game captture
spare sluice
It's a forgotten meme from the late 2000's
woven steppe
Which is a pitty... the actual song is called "promise" by Hirose Kohmi... It's a nice song but people mostly know it now as the "geddan" song for stupid reasons...
spare sluice
2008 I think
The meme was started with Goldeneye 007 for the N64
Cartridge tilting
woven steppe
I was fortunate enough to hear the song before it got butchered by the meme
iron thunder
@covert linden whatchoo mean? The game on my desktop is always zoomed in and cropped. I just closed OBS to see if that would change the way the game looked.. but it doesn't.
woven steppe
Does the website show banned people?
safe prism
if you're doing OBS things with VR, go find the "OpenVR Capture Plugin" and use that
it will be an eye of your headset instead, and you can use the game window via the in-game stream camera.
woven steppe
Well this is entirely unhelpful... does show heavenly but I can't determine if he's banned or not
minor bramble
if you have oculus you can actually use oculus mirror
which is a defualt oculus app
covert linden
2 weeks is nothing people have come with 4 years
safe prism
game's been a thing for more than 4 years
iron thunder
Oculus Mirror looks like shit and SteamVR runs like i imagine hell would feel like.. so openvr is out of the question. 4 weeks ago I was fine with a zoomed out vrchat.exe game capture and its driving me bonkers how I seem to be the only person that had a good view. lol
safe prism
then, short of using windowed mode and making it roughly the size of your HMD eye...
you're kinda SOL
iron thunder
This is a mystery that cannot be solved.
safe prism
and settings are in registry too
woven steppe
That is what my friend saw when he got banned
If all "normal" bans follow the same template then it should say the reason
vocal shard
im too broke to buy a decent vr headset
woven steppe
yours may not be a "normal" ban then
iron thunder
set your mic to default on your computer
covert linden
through manage audio device settings
safe prism
"assistant admins" nani
covert linden
The copypasta
There can be a number of things wrong, like have you tested your mic in a different program other than vrchat and does it work, and then second did you make it a default in the audio window. You can check this, by pressing the windows key and typing 'manage audio devices' . If this is already done and you checked that, go up to a mirror in vrc and talk, is your mouth moving? If the answer all this to yes and yet nobody can hear you, hit escape and look in the corner of the menu where your name is, what is the role?
I would also check to ensure that the mic icon is lighting up when you speak while you're doing the mirror test.
safe prism
email moderation@vrchat.com and that'll be as far as you can go re: the ban
covert linden
whats your rank?
woven steppe
The mic will light up even if you send through it the tiniest audio signal
grizzled cloak
i have 10 hours in vrchat
lethal summit
how do u know u got banned? u get that message "banned"?
covert linden
just wanna rule out the possibiility of them being nuisance
woven steppe
He got a message but it looked different from a ban message my friend had in the past
frail escarp
Why are sometime 2D Gifs avatars invisible for other players?
woven steppe
Some GPU's don't work with some shaders... that or they just don't have shaders turned on.
lethal summit
i thought that you just cannot log in for some reason...(i know there is some ppl that can keep you out from logging in to vrchat)
frail escarp
Ah
woven steppe
My only experience with a ban is when my friend got banned... and his login message was entirely different from what Heavenly got
lethal summit
pretty much many ppl that get banned says something similar..
all the "cheaters" says if i get banned...i just make new acc
also if they get banned by ip....they say my ip is dynamic.
woven steppe
The difference here is that we actually have proof of an anomaly
lethal summit
only way to ban some one that he never gets back...is to ban him from his hardware specs on his comp.
mighty nest
Could just build another computer to bypass the ban
woven steppe
unless of course VRC's ban messages changed
woven steppe
no...
covert linden
I dont mean the big circle red line thing
this dude was talking about not being heard earlier
hit escape, there should be be a name there and it says what it is, its like an invite but not an invite. Pretty sure its a kick request to kick someone if im not mistaken?
vocal shard
All I want is people who play minigames with me
woven steppe
"the like red cross"
Mate... both of those are circular icons...
woven steppe
Maybe ask them why?
We can't really speak for other people
I'd gladly take a rank down tho... because I never got to experience ranking up...
strange quarry
Think its a ban hack
woven steppe
Man why are hackers so rude nowadays?
strange quarry
Well, if someone hates you, they learn to hack
I'm too retarded to learn how to hack, otherwise I'd hack ban all the pedos ik on vrchat
But if you get banned either way 🤷
covert linden
if its a ban hack reset ur router
because as far as im aware if its that then its not even a genuien ban,
ye try that
strange quarry
There's a router that connects all of your wifi
Unplug it, wait 5 minutes, put it back in and wait
woven steppe
I met a hacker back in march of 2018... talked with a voice changer... had a name that was completely blank... and had noclip... But all he did was spawn a bunch of cool gameobjects that you could interact with, from polaroid cameras that printed out photos to guns that actually do the "kill" thing like in CTF... but he was doing this in the Pug
And at one point saved the map from one of those porn full screen overlay shader bastards...
Never met them again...
Now all hackers do is steal avatars, crash and ban people...
After he left that pug tho the world eventually got too laggy because of all the photos everyone was taking
so in a way... I guess technically he still crashed people...
covert linden
a mod on discord wouldnt be able to do anythign @vocal shard
theyd tlel u exactly what we have, to contact and wait
safe prism
send an email
strange quarry
How long does it usually take for them to get back to you?
woven steppe
I mean if they're like any other company I've interacted with... One business day
strange quarry
they don't respond until the ban naturally lifts itself
woven steppe
Is like calling an ambulance but you recover before they get to you
umbral reef
VRC takes around 48H max to respond
Its the longest i have seen atleast the past few months
regal furnace
They are faster than the epic games support for sure. Asked a year ago and still no answer...
minor bramble
Normally if someone is banned it’s for a reason. Unless there’s a “anti cheat” that has false positives
But I’m not familiar with vrc bans so idk
woven steppe
VRC bans normally show you a duration and a reason when you attempt to log in
minor bramble
I’m rarely in public areas and when I am I’m using a default avatar so hopefully I won’t have to learn lol
woven steppe
inb4 gets reported for not interacting with public people
covert linden
they dont always reply*****
minor bramble
It would still be the same. as it would still be case by case and theres only so many people to deal with it
and people would spam it more then the email
calm tapir
hey dudes I have a problem, avatars wont load in the game, they stay blue with 0.0 on above their names and some never load, anyone know whats happening or how to fix?
covert linden
HAve you cleared your cache?
calm tapir
How might one do that?
covert linden
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
calm tapir
I installed the game in my another drive so I can't find that :/
covert linden
it still goes to C drive
hold win + R and type %appdata% itll send you to roaming, click out of that, then follow the steps from there
calm tapir
there are 2 output logs, which one do i get rid of?
covert linden
honestly can get rid of them both doesnt matter, rid of everything in that folder
calm tapir
I have to close vrchat first right?
calm tapir
new files were created just now, is that normal?
woven steppe
Technically it is possible to get the cache in a different place other than the C drive but then again anyone who does that would know where it is located in the first place.
Also yes normal
calm tapir
nah i found it and deleted everything
aight lemem boot the game up again
sorry idk much about this stuff i just got the game yesterday 😃
woven steppe
I personally have put my cache on an external hard drive... though it still clears itself on it's own... which I don't appreciate...
covert linden
Probably different for everyone, ive seen people who can flawlessly have it 2gb, but mine gets to an extent where it breaks the game if I dont clear it daily, which is probably less than 1gb
Mine is also in a very small limited HDD
calm tapir
so when i delete cache avatars should load normally right?
covert linden
Ye
woven steppe
well you have to redownload the avatars into your computer... but that's what the loading bar indicates anyways
calm tapir
also for the record my drives arent full, heard thats a problem
covert linden
I have over 50 free gb in my HDD, but my cache still dies after a day so
calm tapir
if they are
woven steppe
And that's also exactly why I don't like my cache clearing itself... my internet is poor and I'd rather have the maps that I frequently visit and the avatars of the people I frequently see in my computer at all times.
covert linden
I luckily have goood wifi, makes up for the fact vrc dies afte ra day
I dont know why, it used to be able to go like 2-3 weeks, but then I got vr and it seemed to fill up much faster
Like I was crashing nonstop, oppose to seeing the red transluecent homer simpsons, so I didnt know it was a cache problem, thought vrc was dead, till I actually cleared it
woven steppe
Nothing like joining a room and it's the blue man group for three minutes...
covert linden
Oh man
strange quarry
They denied lifting the ban claiming they had "overwhelming proof" of his ban
Yet still refuse to give a reason for being said banned
So its like: ???
covert linden
As far as ive been told they cannot disclose more info
covert linden
Its not that long its 2 weeks
strange quarry
But what if it happens again and again?
2 weeks is a long time if its your only social life
covert linden
if they have overwhelming proof it means someone probably emailed them with video evidence
covert linden
From what ive been told they cant via email
does he use a client by chance?
It could also be any hateful remark
umbral reef
@covert linden The thing is not that they got banned really- That stuff happens often.
Its that there is legit no reason displayed anywhere what makes it a problem.
covert linden
@umbral reef but via email they said they had overwhelming evidance for it
strange quarry
umbral reef
Did they appeal it though or just ask why?
strange quarry
Read the message
I linked it
He doesn't know why he was banned he's given no reason
umbral reef
And Rae- Its legit a copy paste. Every appeal pretty much gets it.
strange quarry
Its a fucking bot
covert linden
So they dont let people appeal then?
severe geyser
Oof
velvet quarry
It may be a pasted response, but I would very much doubt it being a bot.
strange quarry
If its pasted I don't count it as a human response
covert linden
Yes it does ?
strange quarry
Because they took no effort into even reviewing
They're just like: you're banned because
covert linden
You shouldve properly stated your appeal in the Email Heaven
severe geyser
It counts, it's just unfortunate that they don't give the reason
strange quarry
Can you get banned for saying the n-word?
severe geyser
Most companies and teams have formats and templates they operate from
I wouldn't be surprised
strange quarry
Cause that's happened to people before
velvet quarry
Racial slurs are against the terms of service and community guidelines last I checked.
strange quarry
Yeah
woven steppe
As far as I can tell literally the reason Heaven is emailing them is because he doesn't know why he's banned
strange quarry
Heavenly did you say the n-word around LittleCloud or anyone that hates you?
Because ik they're sensitive to offensive humor so they probably snitched
woven steppe
The usefulness fo the response is equivalent to asking someone:
"Are you left handed or right handed"
and the reply would be:
"Yes"
velvet quarry
If you're just casually saying that around and you're not even sure about it, maybe you should rethink that.
light pilot
Big oof
spare rose
Anyone met an avatar that can crash people by pointing a laser light at them?
grizzled cloak
guys guys chill! why is HTC vive so many €
woven steppe
Yes... A year ago
strange quarry
Because people will buy it
grizzled cloak
i only have like this many euro and it costs that many euro
umbral reef
@velvet quarry The ban msg should still say 'Use of offensive language' or alike though... Not just a date.
And from what i know its pretty abnormal no reason at all gets provided anywhere,
light pilot
I've seen avatars like that yeah
woven steppe
make more euro
strange quarry
High demand + low supply = expensive
spare rose
Is it allowed to use such avatars?
umbral reef
<@&397642795457970181>
covert linden
When emailing you need to be formal and include everything, if you just ask "can I apeal "
well that cut me off
woven steppe
ponged everyone
strange quarry
If I got banned for no reason I'd probably cry
light pilot
Crash avatars are most definitely not allowed, but they show up anyways because people are meanies
covert linden
Its only 2 weeks
strange quarry
Heavenly has no crash or nsfw avatars
woven steppe
If there's anything I'd get banned for... it's for not playing the game enough
strange quarry
2 weeks is a long time
covert linden
2 weeks is nothing
spare rose
are crash avatars supposed to be reported? I just met someone that crashed me
covert linden
most bans ive been seeing recently are 4 years, tbh youre lucky in that case
velvet quarry
If you're not certain that you're not throwing racial slurs around at random, there's a good chance that might be what it was.
spare rose
And I've got video evidence
woven steppe
I mean you can report them if you want to
covert linden
nope ive sseen 4 years with no reason
strange quarry
Bruh
velvet quarry
@spare rose That should very much be bannable, you can report them by following the steps at #moderation-reports
pseudo basalt
But 4 years with no reason usually implies that they're one of those people
strange quarry
So this is NORMAL?
umbral reef
Be sure to include the video and outputlog! Just the video wont be enough
strange quarry
To be banned for no given reason?
covert linden
not normal just that it happenson occasion
usually people can figure out their own bad behavior
strange quarry
Is it a bug to not receive a reason?
Or is their now a bug that randomly bans people?
weary bison
not seeing a reason could be a bug
spare rose
Okay, thx @velvet quarry
woven steppe
As far as I know the normal ban message tells you how long you're banned for and for what reason...
Instead of telling you on what date you can get back in
covert linden
iff 2 weeks is that long, if it is try going outside, try living more than just vrchat, its probably pretty important to do so and for the best
The world has a lot to offer outside
woven steppe
Like a tornado
covert linden
^
woven steppe
legit tho... Heavenly got hit by a tornado like last year was it
iron thunder
@soft turret You ever figure out how to increase vrchat window fov?
soft turret
woven steppe
I'm sorry I can't help bringing that up because it just seems so apt a response to what Rae said lol
strange quarry
If its true LittleCloud is friends with a mod and got him banned because she doesn't like him, I'm probably going to leave if I see her in any instance
strange quarry
Couldn't you find out Heavenly and Phil's ban reason?
rigid crescent
Yeah being friends with a mod can just get your report looked at faster but no one's gonna instaban you lol
Unless it's the Big R
covert linden
Try thinking back to what you did, you probably did something not okay
rigid crescent
Just email them for the ban reason bruh
strange quarry
They didn't give it
rigid crescent
They'll probably let you know
strange quarry
They said "because fuck you"
covert linden
what did the email say?
rigid crescent
In an email?
weary bison
moderation@vrchat.com isn't just for reports, you can also email for clarification if your account is banned, and to dispute the ban
covert linden
what exactly did you say in email.
strange quarry
Yeah
covert linden
as far as im aware they appealed to appeal, not even appealed
rigid crescent
All depends on what you said and what they replied with
strange quarry
That was Heavenly's response
severe geyser
what did you email
covert linden
we wanna know what he said not vrc said, we have seen thata many times
strange quarry
Ye
rigid crescent
Oh overwhelming proof. Yeah you won't get a reason for that.
strange quarry
Copy paste the message
woven steppe
Whatever it was... apparently my simile was perfect
strange quarry
The thing is "overwhelming proof" of WHAT?
woven steppe
Yes
covert linden
ok so you didnt properly format an email and actually try to appeal
strange quarry
You should have said: I was given a ban of 2 weeks and given no stated reason. I'm unsure if a mod abused their powers or this was a glitch. I haven't broken any rules of conduct so I'd appreciate having this ban lifted please.
rigid crescent
Just ask what you did
Literally"hey got banned what did I do?" You don't even need to be formal
strange quarry
I am unsure if
woven steppe
Let me get this straight... you didn't even ask them to lift your ban? You just asked them why you were banned and told them what could have happened?
Man if you only got one chance you probably have opened up with the "can ban be lifted please?"
covert linden
"I'm constacting in regards to my account _____ that has been banned, for a reason that is unknown to me. I can only make so many assumptions, is it possible I could hear the reason as to why, or could the ban please be lifted"
Blaming mods via email probably isnt a good start
covert linden
Just wait the two weeks if they wont lift it
rigid crescent
Acting formal is pointless. Ask what you did. Ask if the bank can be lifted. Period. All you need.
covert linden
^ anythign is better than blaming mods
woven steppe
I'd make another simile but nothing's coming up that would be appropriate
covert linden
whats the why
vocal shard
?
strange quarry
Heavenly and Phil worked together to make a pedo quit VRchat and its on YouTube
woven steppe
"I found out why"
and
"But I don't know"
doesn't really work together.
strange quarry
Which would be against terms of service
It goes under harassment
They said overwhelming proof
woven steppe
VRchat on youtube? What is this... late 2017?
strange quarry
So everyone in that vid will probably get banned
severe geyser
A youtube video would probably suffice
covert linden
would definately suffice
strange quarry
Yeah
strange quarry
Guess we just gotta leave pedos alone and let them lewd the kids on VRchat because HARASSMENT
rigid crescent
Geeky isn't banned and he did the same thing.
covert linden
is there hate speech in said video
severe geyser
But I'm also 100 percent confident that most people have done bannable acts and not been banned as the tos is very wide
strange quarry
Maybe they play favorites or it depends on their mood?
rigid crescent
I mean theyve admitted they don't like banning people for too long unless its really bad
severe geyser
But even if you're harassing a criminal it's still a violation of tos. If you did that you were vigilantes and that doesn't grant immunity you know?
severe geyser
I don't think anybody can argue with the fact that ban reasons are good to have, but as to the ban itself, idk man
rigid crescent
Most people don't get perma'd anyway. Admin have said don't like doing even if you deserve it because "lol they can't hang out with their friends if we ban them"
woven steppe
I mean I've done unspeakable horrors in VRChat... but so long as you don't leave any witnesses then you should be fine.
tacit plank
I haven't seen whatever video you guys are talking about
rigid crescent
I doubt it was your vid if Geeky wasn't. He did the same thing to VII
But "overwhelming" usually means you won't get a real response lol
covert linden
Could be hate speech if he used any vile words
tacit plank
But pedo accusations vary wildly
rigid crescent
I mean VII admitted it and cried on cam lol
strange quarry
I can name several pedos right here
severe geyser
I mean if you weren't banned already you'd probably be banned by now for it lmao
rigid crescent
And he wasn't banned either
weary bison
probably a good idea to move on, to be honest
strange quarry
They're not on this discord server
weary bison
the email is always there
strange quarry
But ik them
rigid crescent
Mean I can name you a pedo but without proof it's meaningless
weary bison
you can ask for further clarification if you don't get much back
covert linden
Its only two weeks luckily
severe geyser
I'm not sure anything constructive is going to come from the topic yeah
rigid crescent
Yeah they need more perma bans lol
tacit plank
I've seen actual conviced pedos being harrassed online, but some people think that all VRChat users are pedos because they use young female avatars
rigid crescent
But they're too soft even on Crashers
tacit plank
So it depends on the sanity of the person you're talking to
covert linden
3 days is even more nothing, it flys by
strange quarry
Female avatar = pedo???
rigid crescent
"boohoo if we ban them they can't see their friends" lol
strange quarry
What
steep turret
this sure is a conversation
rigid crescent
Right
strange quarry
Mhm
rigid crescent
Screenshots of discord where anyone can change their name?
wintry laurel
Ello
tacit plank
Some people think they're being good humans by harassing others in the name of stopping some nonexistent epidemic
severe geyser
Then pass it on and leave them alone
weary bison
@vocal shard drop the topic please
rigid crescent
Lemme doctor one up real quick.
woven steppe
I mean technically being sexually attracted to young people isn't offensive... It's when they do something bad that would make it offensive...
weary bison
suspicions should be forwarded with evidence to the appropriate authorities
strange quarry
If you're in your 20s and attracted to preteens it is bad
severe geyser
Sand is nice, I like sand
tacit plank
If it's not acted upon I don't see a problem personally
severe geyser
Deserts are enjoyable.
rigid crescent
Lol Ive had proof of the same thing and nothing came from it either. The guy isn't even afraid to admit it and I told them to ask and they didn't.
strange quarry
It was acted upon
wintry laurel
Its too hot in the desert though
severe geyser
I like sand castles. What about you?
light pilot
I hate sand, it's course and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere!
woven steppe
I hate sand... But that's been used too much already
tacit plank
In that case, I guess you could report it
wintry laurel
Same
strange quarry
I don't like sand between my toes
rigid crescent
So sadly I know how ineffective the mods can be even WITH proof
tidal aspen
Make sure you never forget to leave the house with pocket sand