70k is the new norm..
#vrchat-general-2
covert linden
gaunt pine
ive seen people with 3 million poly count and i had no issues
tawny sable
70 is the limit? you dont need modded SDK for 70k
alpine crater
ah, it used to be lower
median basalt
You will have issues with millions of polys
"Polys don't matter lol" except they do. A lot.
As long as you stay in the 70k limit you'll be fine
alpine crater
I do know that as soon as more than 3 anime avatars join a room my framerate drops by half
covert linden
Dynamic bones probably
median basalt
Turn on the dynamic bone limiter and hide people with tons of materials, that'll probably fix it
alpine crater
but that's mostly dynbones and 20 materials on each
covert linden
The second I got ingame, I didnt know how to walk yet with wmr, but I went into settings and turned off the limiter
storm stag
median basalt
Works fine on my end but they could still be having issues
queen mango
Servers were running fine for me a few hours ago
covert linden
Me too
median latch
how can i get a trust rank above user? i've uploaded 47 avatars, i've played for 300 hours, been playing since dec 2017 , but i'm only a user still. it seems weird to me
queen mango
There's no definite factors that can increase your rank. It all depends on your social interactibility with other people in VRChat
glacial sparrow
Is the trust rank automatic or picked by a team or something
wet jackal
automatic from my experience
queen mango
It's automatic
wet jackal
im a trusted user myself,
From what I've noticed, all from visitor up to User it's all about friends and playtime,
From User to Known User you have to upload a certain ammount of avatars and have above some 100 hours,
From Known User to Trusted user you have to upload a world and request it to be public,
This is how it worked for me and it might not be exactly the same for everyone else, I have around 800+ hours now and I've been trusted user for a while
@glacial sparrow
glacial sparrow
Someday I'll be a new user :D
median basalt
Can't upload my world lol
wet jackal
why not rokk?
median basalt
You don't need a public world to be trusted anyway
Well the servers are having issues so I can't update one of my worlds
covert linden
Im known at 460ish with 5 avatars,
grave dagger
I'm trusted and have no worlds uploaded 😅
wet jackal
hence why I said it might not be exactly the same for others xd
reef creek
i dont know what it means but I see a smile upon your face
inner cape
🤔
steep turret
ghosto 👀
novel gazelle
Yoo i just got the Lego Yoda avatar from someone and my favourites glitched out and now its gone
Anyone have any idea where i could find it?
inner cape
hallo tacoboi
glacial sparrow
Oh this might be a question for another channel, but is there a way to disable my avatars button actions, or whatever you call it when you move your hand irl and it makes a sound in game.
inner cape
what
glacial sparrow
I've copied so many avatars that are cute but won't stop spamming sounds
inner cape
public avatars?
reef creek
and I see some shimmering in your eyes
glacial sparrow
Yeah
inner cape
well then no
steep turret
custom emotes mang
inner cape
they are made by others so you can't edit it
glacial sparrow
Am I doing something wrong tho when even a stick movement causes an emote?
Or action, I don't know the term
inner cape
nope, that's just how it works
glacial sparrow
Oculus
inner cape
yeah, certain emote triggers a sound I guess and you need to figure out which
glacial sparrow
But movement can cause a trigger?
covert linden
Finger gestures can
inner cape
of your fingers, yes
covert linden
and movement can too
median basalt
Movement doesn't cause triggers unless it's actually on a walk animation.
covert linden
my friend had an avatar where she walked forward and it'd make a sound, so shed walk backwards everywhere
I dont know how backwards boycotted it
median basalt
Taking your index finger off the controller can trigger something, pressing grip can trigger something, pressing trigger can trigger something. And taking your thumb and index finger off too
glacial sparrow
Oh god it's probably the walk animation then... good to know
And last thing, is flying and moving super fast allowed? I've gotten a few that do that
median basalt
Yes.
glacial sparrow
Cool. And based on Google and what people have said here, I can't simply download and edit a favorited avatar to remove some of the actions?
deep shuttle
no you would have to recreate it yourself
or somehow get the person that made it to make an edit
glacial sparrow
Gotcha, I'll try to stick to the quiet ones for now then lol
silver forge
deep shuttle
I can't
median basalt
I can't upload worlds or avatars
deep shuttle
works now for me
brisk umbra
I am in bed now so I won’t log on for 10 hours
sonic verge
is thefriends list still not working? i just checked the website and it barely showing anyone of myfriends
wait nvm it just worked
glacial sparrow
It takes me a solid day for friends or favorite avatars to show
uncut trail
steamvr is being bad
glacial sparrow
A friend just told me they had to reinstall it to get it to launch
wraith tangle
vrchat is just being buggy all we can do is wait and complain
glacial sparrow
I'm fine with the first one
meager karma
borked. im stuck on blue man loading my own uploaded avatars
true sky
Got off since everything is broken via avatar loading, worlds list, and friends lists
upbeat knot
👀
wraith tangle
mines working just not working good which is pissing me off
old shadow
Didnt think rachi would be here 😮
swift shadow
Idk about those vrc devs made stupid Ideas that making this game even worse about adding a new safety system "dynamic bones limitation" and getting failed to upload error when uploading user's avatars and world
brisk umbra
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6077 users in VRChat currently
glacial sparrow
The bones thing is optional right? And it helps people like me with bad hardware :p
The server failing isn't related to update I don't think
uncut trail
its steamvr
brisk umbra
Steamvr has nothing to do with the vrchat servers
floral aspen
people getting so salty over an optional feature
brisk umbra
I disabled it easily
glacial sparrow
I'm happy about it but I don't think it should be on by default...
I think that is most of the salt
median basalt
People are salty because it's on by default, very hard to adjust and pretty much entirely hidden away
steep turret
I haven't logged on yet is the setting to turn it on and off in the safety settings
glacial sparrow
Yeah I thought it was intuitive and it is flashing new... pretty hard to miss lol
twin cove
It's not just me who can't upload avatars atm then?
Also since this update I have to go back to my homeworld just to load a new avatar. What did this update do, yikes
swift shadow
@twin cove blame them
earnest prawn
Hello
How do I get my server associated with this one?
Btw, my server is vrchat themed
floral aspen
@earnest prawn
This channel is managed by the community and is made for the community. In order to be eligible for having your Discord server added to this list, the following criteria must be met:
- More than 500 total members
- Well defined rules and capable moderation that uphold these and handle spam and other malicious posts quickly
- Main focus of content is VRChat
- No NSFW content (This includes NSFW content locked behind roles)
- No hateful or abusive content. This extends to “jokes” and memes
- No users or content that break VRChat Terms of Service
If your server does not meet all of these criteria, it is not eligible for verification.
Application link: https://goo.gl/vpk1Q6
earnest prawn
And, I cannot be eligible..... Oh well
polar stone
Are models not loading for anyone else?
median basalt
I very seriously doubt that
Some other sites are having issues too, it's probably some large CDN being stupid
"Decentralized" internet lol
Seems like everyone there is asleep so good luck lol
rotund wren
anyone having issues logging in?
uncut trail
yes n vrc broken af now
rocky blaze
internal server error
vocal shard
sighh
uncut trail
getting kicked home n signed out of steamvr
steep turret
y'all the game is a little wonky right now it'll get fixed eventually
earnest prawn
I
I'm waiting for them to try and fix it
Cause, this is just horrible. This update was supposed to fix the game not break it
steep turret
a lot goes into making a game. shit gets messed up sometimes. it ain't easy moderating or keeping a game like this going 100% working all the damn time.
it'll get fixed soon
ain't no thang
earnest prawn
Then they need to invest in associating with other game companies.
Or hiring more programmers and developers.
steep turret
I don't understand why a lot of people are so angry about this. shit happens yknow
maybe I'm just a potato idk
earnest prawn
You'd think being the largest vr multiplayer game would get them quite a bit of fame and money.
umbral reef
More devs doesn't mean more work being done or it being better at all
Often it's the reverse
steep turret
true
earnest prawn
Hmm.
steep turret
complaining ain't gonna make em work harder
Just chiiiiill and all will be right soon enough
earnest prawn
Enough people doing it might
earnest prawn
I bet you there's gonna be a group of people paying them just to get it fixed faster
umbral reef
That's not how it works 👀
Make a detailed proper bug report and they might care more then normal...
steep turret
I wouldn't know because I ain't one of em nor can i read minds lol
sonic verge
i just noticed that everyone that arent friends will have avatars blocked by default????
umbral reef
Why would anyone group invest anything within vrchat without a reason...
sonic verge
even with the safety setting set to show them all the time
earnest prawn
You might be holding shift down when you hit the esc key
lethal summit
till u restart
umbral reef
Games broken so new things don't load @sonic verge
bitter night
Money doesnt make their Brain go inhuman to find a solution faster
sonic verge
aiiight
steep turret
welcome to vrcd where the opinions aren't backed on facts and the logic is based on assumptions 👍
earnest prawn
You guys overthink money
steep turret
did anyone get my whose line reference 👀
earnest prawn
Money can be used to get a team of talented and perfect programmars
steep turret
no one is perfect at their job tho
earnest prawn
:/
steep turret
perfection doesn't exist
earnest prawn
Bet
umbral reef
Yes but that only works if VR was not a new industry
earnest prawn
VRchat has been out for almost 3 years
unkempt swan
too slow download
vocal shard
5 years
unkempt swan
10mb/s -> 100kb/s
earnest prawn
Wait, thought it came out in 2016
vocal shard
On steam. But It was out before then. But that's still not a long time like panda said
earnest prawn
That's because that company doesn't beta test their games
umbral reef
I'm just going to stop talking.
You do not understand how starts up work. Money does not get you good devs or talented ones. More devs does also not instantly speed things up or make the game better ...
earnest prawn
I'm done talking to you all
bitter night
Aww
unkempt swan
did upgrade vrc server?
earnest prawn
No one's found a solution and I'm getting more pissed
covert linden
agreed
unkempt swan
vrc income = MR, Oculus, Vive, trackers
umbral reef
Try the stuff in #vrchat-support if you haven't yet
covert linden
Thats not vrcs income.. vrc doesnt sell The Mr, oculus, or vive
earnest prawn
I wanna livestream vrchat!
steep turret
just wait till it's fixed preder and then you can get your fix u feel me
bitter night
Than use money from ur live stream to fix vrc
cold ibex
It’s not the end of the world if you can’t stream
covert linden
ill thrw money at tupper he fixes everything
vocal shard
have you tried turning it on and off again
bitter night
We need a moneygun
vocal shard
@vagrant bobcat
vagrant bobcat
Me
cold ibex
o: those supreme ones
steep turret
did you toggle the wifi dongle, lol
uncut trail
taking forever to change models wtf
steep turret
yeah game is wonky right now
covert linden
have u tried deleting windows?
When I deleted the Windows OS and got the MAC OS, My i3 ran vrchat in 90fps
steep turret
rae how're you doin btw
covert linden
I'm doing good, ive done 80 panels of my storyboard so far, which is basically each art cut, How about you?
steep turret
oh hell yeah. I'm digging the hard work. I'm fine like always. just enjoying life you know how it be
covert linden
Yeha yeah of course. Funny thing is Im sure ill remove half these scenes, or lke, conjoin them in a sense, once I am doing it with voiced lines digitally, but I have high hopes for it
Im hoping with the grant I may get I can purchase my animation program like a final copy not a monthly payment, so its easier to do my stuff
steep turret
hey it happens. ain't no thang. just keep working it and you'll get at it
covert linden
It's going great though, im glad I started with this oppose to a script, I was struggling hard with that
I can then take this, and turn it into a script
I just need the Synapsis which imo is the hardest part of this entire thing
steep turret
oof I can agree with ya on that. I love writing that shit but not when I like have to I guess? if that makes sense
covert linden
Yeah I understand that
steep turret
is that sarcasm I can't tell
rocky blaze
huge delay in speech
steep turret
I dig it
rocky blaze
both of us have 200 ping but its acting as if there is 4-5 seconds of delay
covert linden
My speech was fine last night, but the distance in which people could hear me seemed smaller
rocky blaze
am on about now, last night means nothing
covert linden
Why not? no update occured this morning
rocky blaze
yea but people were having log in issues just 30mins ago
covert linden
Thats different, thats server problems
rocky blaze
so having speech delay is not a server problem aye
steep turret
no clue I don't work with VR servers or anything remotely like that
covert linden
Well there always IS a speech delay
You can look into a mirror and talk, your mouth will move when your character is actually speaking
plush cove
sooo now you can limit the numbers if dynamic bones
covert linden
yes
rocky blaze
stop being a smart ass, i am talking about how long it takes for my voice to reach my friend its taking ages
covert linden
Im not being a smart ass im being literally dead honest, there is always a speech delay
vocal shard
BOI 🅱
steep turret
did you try shouting
umbral reef
Ash you even know how long a delay of 200 is?
rocky blaze
yea but it shouldn't take more than a minute to reach them
steep turret
maybe your internet is doodoo
covert linden
Nope, I just know there is a delay
With speech, and when I had 200 ping my friends were teleporting
solar walrus
hello everyone, i'm new to this discord
covert linden
Hello New
umbral reef
Then how can you be sure it's not supposed to be a 5 second delay...?
steep turret
hello there
solar walrus
general kenobi
covert linden
Im saying theres a delay, the duration im not aware of
Theres a delay with 50 ping,
rocky blaze
my ping is 200 and its taking 2-3 mins to reach them that is 30k ping which i dont have they have buggered something in this update
covert linden
Its taking actual minutes for them to hear?
rocky blaze
yes
steep turret
well yeah the update did mess the game that's very obvious lmfao
covert linden
I thought you meant like a second or two, not actual like minutes-
Ive had that happen before once but it was because my system lagged
was a me problem
Im just wondering how an update that I thought didnt have many like changes broke the game
its like someone sneezed on the hardware
rocky blaze
they hear me instantly but it takes them 3 mins to reply
covert linden
Ah so youre experiancing the sound delayed?
rocky blaze
or their voice to come through on my end
av restarted so its the game i had no issues last night
rocky blaze
there is no delay in their movement but their voice takes 3mins to reach me
covert linden
that is even more odd
What confuses me is everyone is having problems.. this morning, not after the update,
steep turret
something in the game files might have just exploded due to some code or something idk I can't computer
olive pawn
Yea some people have a weird delay sometimes and some worlds broke from the new update
rocky blaze
but yea this is very odd and its not my internet as i have been playing this game 1620 hours and never had this issue
covert linden
See this game has had many problems, some people havent ever been affected, like me, however, theres always that one weird problem thatll get the few people who are unscavthed
like.. the terrible november..
sonic verge
tfw most public avatar worlds just give you the red boi
covert linden
Have you ever cleared your cache?
sonic verge
always, everytime i get off i do it
covert linden
ah okay, well everything seems to be sort of uh broken right now
rocky blaze
clearing my cache wouldn't fix this lol
covert linden
I am well aware it wouldnnnnt, I meant for the typical red avatar bug
covert linden
No?
rocky blaze
then you held n or it got stuck
covert linden
Nope, it's expression.
rocky blaze
ah
crude wedge
covert linden
covert linden
It isnt coming to the quest @mortal walrus
mortal walrus
They announced the new games for the Quest
sonic verge
vrc on the quest, can i laugh????
mortal walrus
match it to this official picture
steep turret
no way
mortal walrus
Bois look at this video and look at the official VRChat pic on Steam: https://youtu.be/ryvsAjCaKKk?t=75
covert linden
it is the official picture but no way in hecc will it actually be there.. like.. its virtually impossible
vocal shard
Oh, wow.
The link nyan posted has a second where the quest flashes images of games. And one is a second of Aev... In the vrchat picture.
Although that could just be using vr game pictures, and not confirmed that vrchat will work
umbral reef
What isnt odd- But VRC isnt on the list atleast
covert linden
its not on the list its in the image. at that timestamp.
And yeah, it could be extremely short on games, and just throwing ones in
OR. they arent bothering at all whether it can run anything, and will let it free range games till it destroys itself
sonic verge
vrc on a quest is just asking for a face burn imo
covert linden
Thats what I was thinking, even Fpaul was so confident in saying it wouldnt be on there
and now its like, well we have been shown an image that hints at it..
umbral reef
All other games are already on the Oculus website and blog posts while VRC isnt
covert linden
Have u guys noticed the lag at 26 seconds in LOL
vocal shard
I still highly doubt it
umbral reef
So doubt that the one frame flashing of anime confirms it at all lmao
covert linden
It literally drops so many frames there-
mortal walrus
Compare it to this official pic guys, it's the same: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/438100/ss_1577335ddadd96c338c16a747758290b4214eb85.1920x1080.jpg?t=1552695782
umbral reef
Also funny that all other games had gameplay and not photo's....
covert linden
heres the link to the lag.
its slight its not extreme but its definately not many frames there
umbral reef
Also man if that is real gameplay footage it looks bad....
Creed and beatsaber look good
but superhot is even more low poly
mortal walrus
I tried the Quest a couple of times last year at Oculus Connect, Superhot was amazing guys
covert linden
I think for now Nyan we can say Vrchat will not be on the quest, even more we can say that IF it is, it'll be on different servers seeing as it'd have to be downgraded a lot from what ive been told.. Shouldnt say stuff till its 100% confirmed, they mightve just thrown an image in there to hide the lack of games
alpine crater
quest would probably have to be approved avatars only because facebook
covert linden
One of the comments says
"FlakeyFlipper76
Wow Robo Recall is really downgraded!
3 minutes ago"
vocal shard
The quest does have many positive reviews (especially compared side by side with the Rift S)
But i doubt vrchat will be on it.
umbral reef
Lmao
covert linden
I feel like someone needs to like, wake me up because this world doesnt sseem logical
umbral reef
4head party
sonic verge
im expecting face burn news when they get on vrchat with that thing now
vocal shard
Oh nice wireless VRChat
covert linden
Can I play vrc in the ocean
winter egret
wtf is oculus quest
modern sand
@vocal shard 👀
vocal shard
Sitting on that news was soooooo hard
alpine crater
@winter egret standalone headset using a smartphone SoC
winter egret
oh ok
covert linden
IM LAUGHING, one of the first comments "Fix the game instead of posting shit" this person is not happy
winter egret
so basically 1 fps
broken delta
That just guaranteed a quest purchase from me
lofty apex
full body dab
steep turret
oh hey it's legit
vocal shard
But fps?
jade swallow
I actually talked someone out of a quest because it didn't have VRchat :x
covert linden
I dont understand how this will work-
umbral reef
@vocal shard How will you guys handle the performance and mainly the difference in rendering/calculating though?
alpine crater
I'll stick with vive and get ||knuckles|| when they eventually™ release
languid beacon
WHAt HOW
jade swallow
@alpine crater My thoughts exactly
covert linden
DW hes asking something serious
languid beacon
Omfg omfg omfg omfg
covert linden
It makes no sense, logially, it wont and cant run.. like.. are they doing alt servers?
Like it's actually something id consider buying for like my brother, but like, How
elfin cloak
i have an issue here
(DESKTOP USER)
in my situation i don't want to use safety system
so the thing is that i can't click on someone's bubble so i can disable theres avatars abilities,
like shaders particles etc
are there will be some future vrchat bug fix for this?
covert linden
VR or desktop?
cinder wharf
My guess is they'll have to use some kind of Cloud service to cache that much data for the Quest to even function.
Oculus Quest + Google Stadia?
crisp ruin
will there be desktop mode on oculus quest?
steep turret
that's the best damn question I've heard ever
umbral reef
@cinder wharf Who is going to pay those costs though... And latency is a BIG problem then
nimble imp
LMAO
crisp ruin
my dude... you fell for my bait hard
covert linden
Why wouldnt there be? cuz how the heck-
None of this makes sense
I want Desktop mode for the quest!!!
vocal shard
r/woooosh
covert linden
I realized after you were shitting around but like im still ready for Vrchat to say APRIL FOOLS
vernal forge
huh a ping about vrchat coming to quest ? is that for real ?
alpine crater
where do I report an error with the VRchat website?
vocal shard
That would be a good april fools day joke wouldn't it
prisma plover
And then they downgrade VRChat so it can run comfortably on that joke of a device that is the Oculus Quest. Basically a phone with VR lenses attached to it.
vocal shard
hahaha
cinder wharf
Or they could have a "Quest Mods" that loads a heavily optimized version of VRChat. I'm just speculating here. I have no clue how they're doing this.
crisp ruin
i swear...
vernal forge
it is not 1st of april yet my god
vocal shard
Lol April fools
umbral reef
But for real Pill.
What about the performance and difference in calculating with a intergrated CPU/GPU (the snapdragon) VS standalone systems?
covert linden
OK but like, you already see a few games in the previews they have shown lag-
umbral reef
@cinder wharf User uploaded content though. People dont optimize already at all so they wont in the future...
pale osprey
Yay i am so happy for the quest!
modern sand
@ruby needle 
covert linden
Fpauls gonna be mindblown man
cinder wharf
@umbral reef That's a good point
pale osprey
Who here has actually tried the oculus quest at GDC
cinder wharf
The only other thing I can think of is that this is an early April 1st joke and VRPill is sitting back laughing at us.
elfin cloak
desktop
crisp ruin
i have to say the game is getting more optimized but i do wonder how itll work. i seriously hope therell be cross platform play between pc and quest
cold talon
How are they even gonna do it going from i5 with gtx1070 to a snapdragon
covert linden
It better be an april fools but then dozens will buy the quest expecting it to work
cold talon
cold ibex
tricks are for kids
cold talon
They are splitting the workforce too :sad:
grave dagger
Maybe the Quest will have a tethered PC mode? otherwise im curious how theyll make this work.
cinder wharf
But then it would just be like regular VR Chat
polar jasper
@alpine crater send them a email
covert linden
I think if it did, it still wouldnt be in the announcements
pseudo bobcat
I look forward to seeing how the Snapdragon processor will handle even one single Very Poor performance anime avatar
covert linden
because then youd be able to play any game yknow? I think this is beyond that
mortal walrus
@modern sand @vocal shard What do I need to do to get my room Quest ready?
crisp ruin
@pale osprey running beatsaber and running vrchat are very different beasts
pale osprey
They'll be able to block out other characters if need be to make it run better in a larger room
pseudo bobcat
Unless this is april fools
lavish lichen
What’s Oculus Quest?
pale osprey
at least they will be able to hang out with at least 5 friends
prisma plover
@lavish lichen Basically a phone with VR lenses on it.
covert linden
Its a mobile VR, no PC needed. Using a phone proccessor and such
languid beacon
A wireless, pc-less 6 dof headset
lavish lichen
lol, alright
pale osprey
The official specs have not come out yet too soo... we dont really know
keen narwhal
Isnt it gonna blow up your phone?
crisp ruin
isnt it two phone processors?
languid beacon
It does not use a phone
pale osprey
no
cinder wharf
Oculus GO is a Smartphone with a VR Headset strapped to it.
keen narwhal
Its gonna overheat tho
alpine crater
The quest is standalone, @keen narwhal not using your phone
keen narwhal
Oh
languid beacon
It uses a snapdragon CPU which is a phone processor but it’s stand alone
crisp ruin
oculus quest is the nintendo switch of vr
mortal walrus
@keen narwhal No, it has active cooling
lavish lichen
Are Oculus Quest viewers just going to be floating windows since they can only get a window into VRchat?
polar jasper
@keen narwhal only Samsung phones that blow up
tribal forum
I love how the Oculus Quest (No PC required) has a better screen than the Rift S (PC required) lol
covert linden
yes but it lagged in half the games in preview
polar jasper
It is a newer technology though
pale osprey
It is nice that they are giving the opion to vrcaht, i mean have you seen the other games that they are offering on the quest? They're much stronger than vrchat
keen narwhal
So is it better or worse than the normal occulus vr headset?
crisp ruin
im mean vrchat usually isnt gpu heavy. most issues are cpu side
covert linden
But Cherry the other games are more optimized
alpine crater
facebook don't want to cannibalise their own market where they want everyone to go for quest anyway
umbral reef
@pale osprey No... They are all light games...
cinder wharf
I see these kind of "PC-less" headsets as 3 steps backwards.
languid beacon
I cosider quest to be the first stand alone portable console headset rather than phone vr
polar jasper
@keen narwhal Depends on what you are after. Some cases its better others its not.
pseudo bobcat
There's no way in hell VRchat can run on a Quest unless they just block all custom avatars? I will not believe this until I see it with my own eyes
Until then, it's april fools for me
pale osprey
I am sure that they are going to work something out
keen narwhal
Mk thx
covert linden
no no guys itll work perfectly get ready for this
pale osprey
to help performance of vrchat be okay
languid beacon
I don’t see them as a step backwards I see them as vr as most people expect vr to be. The vr you see in movies
quiet perch
It could be somewhat easier with the quest because it's the same hardware for every quest so it can be optimized easier. Same thing how apple runs better then Android because the os is built around the hardware
crisp ruin
@pale osprey what are you talking about. vrchat is one of the heaviest vr games.
polar jasper
You afraid your butt won't be displayed on Quest @pseudo bobcat
covert linden
2k Poly Limit
No DB
No shaders,
And only the old Hub
mortal walrus
I think having a cap on the number of people, only allowing optimised worlds, and only loading 'mobile-friendly' avatars is the way they'll do it
sullen escarp
new hub is dlc
pale osprey
The old hub is super user frinendly imo
covert linden
Yeah
mortal walrus
and non mobile-friendly avatars will only load the grey blocked avatar
cinder wharf
@languid beacon No they're nothing like the movies, they lack full body tracking.
languid beacon
I think excellent avatars (<32k) should be fine
umbral reef
Cant wait for someone to find a way to brick the OS from the quest within VRchat 👀
Gonna be some dope drama
pseudo bobcat
@polar jasper 
covert linden
Get the new hub for 9.99 today (Kuwait $)
polar jasper
^_^
prisma plover
So they want to run a game that sometimes doesn't even run at the proper framerate on a GTX 2080 Ti and an i9 or something... on a phone. Brillant !
crisp ruin
i think maybe the quest will run along with the "performance system" update where maybe we'll get that new IK system of sending IK data and maybe a new blocking avatars by performance level system
pale osprey
it is affordable :p for more people that is a plus
royal dragon
hey they disabled dynamic bones, it's cool @prisma plover
primal wave
vrchat mobile confirmed now or?
covert linden
not confirmed for Mobile, confirmed for quest.
You will most likely (not gonna say not clearly theyre doing impossible already) not be able to get vrchat, on your phone itself
crisp ruin
my iphone can now run vrchat
cinder wharf
Just like Intel IGP's ruined PC Gaming These low-cost headsets will give a bad impression of VR.
tidal aspen
Wonder how it'll handle avatars with 300 materials
prisma plover
@royal dragon Watch them disabling more and more features so the thing can at least "run" on the Quest. Rofl.
sullen escarp
i can't wait to hear the sound pollution from people playing in public
umbral reef
Legit triggers me they drop an announcement and leave everything up to rumors now 💤
signal lily
Yooo vrchat on quest? I called it
covert linden
Not only that Oclac, but the game is still broken and they havent mentioned it yet
plush cove
nais
crisp ruin
i cant wait to watch people ERP in the bathrooms of mcdonalds
chilly quail
hot
umbral reef
Well that also but we are used to that sadly ash
covert linden
Yeah true
chilly quail
im already sweating
covert linden
They were doing good for a little while up until today
pale osprey
vrchat is a fun game and in some way or another people who have never experienced it before will be given the opportunity witout needing a custom computer, it kind of nice 😃
vast tulip
@pseudo bobcat i can see it being a thing. Either quest is it's own server with like, excellent only avatars with no interaction with the pc one (possible, not a bad thing, just a different environment), or, if they do work together, imagine the DB limiter but fixed, and for every single performance stat
vague ice
Nikei only mode
idle elm
Those who have been working on making excellent avatars are ahead of the game I assume 😃
pale osprey
I mean at the end of the day, we already have vrheadsets so why should we care :p
cinder wharf
@vast tulip Well since you can change the DB limit with a config file I would think the Quest version would have that pre-configured to the most optimized settings for it.
covert linden
not all of us do Cherry
pale osprey
i know i am just sayin as a joke :p
vast tulip
That's what I'm thinking too
umbral reef
@idle elm The thing is
Even my avatar, whats fairly optimized as i care about my frames would not work in a 10 player room on a snapdragon 835...
pale osprey
oculus quest gives people who never tried an opportunity that is all :p even if it is not to the max, at least they can try cause its a free game so no money needed for that one
cinder wharf
My fear is they go overboard and avatars show up with missing polys.
tidal aspen
Still doesn't really solve the issue of tons of drawcalls because of 30 material avatars unless every avatar is blocked as well
pale osprey
people already block avatars to run better
sullen escarp
material combining at runtime when
umbral reef
@tidal aspen Nameplates tho-
signal lily
That does sound a bit scary but ill stay optimistic for the time being
languid beacon
@cinder wharf it’s a good enough for a start. I consider Quest to be the “true” start to gen 1 vr
sullen escarp
didn't tupper say the nameplate thing got fixed?
tidal aspen
yeah nameplates too, but I'm pretty sure unity just batches those so it's not too big of a deal when there's al ot of people
umbral reef
What fixed about it?
sullen escarp
as in, no longer a shitload of materials
languid beacon
Oh nice how did they do it
sullen escarp
idk ask tupper
polar jasper
They can't really go out with much more info than this when Quest is still under NDA
covert linden
Tuuuuupppperrr
umbral reef
Id love to be i dont expect to get any answers about anything in here for a fair while...
cinder wharf
@languid beacon I'm not saying the lighthouse tracking is perfect. But the lack of body tracking on these low-cost headsets makes them an inferior product. Ideally we'd want a suit that communicates body position to the headset. But that's a bit a ways out there.
tidal aspen
probably just got it atlased
languid beacon
Body tracking? How many vrc users have body tracking? How many games even give you legs? Hardly a priority
cinder wharf
@languid beacon Then what is the point of VR without it?
polar jasper
Best bet is to support a third party to develop the suit/accessories
languid beacon
Most vrchat users don’t have body tracking it’s just head and hands are you confused
polar jasper
It's too early for market ready suits
sullen escarp
tesla suit when
chilly quail
damn it's way too early to be thinking about everything working with fbt
cinder wharf
@languid beacon That doesn't mean you ignore it or don't develop for it.
languid beacon
Saying quest is bad becasue no body tracking when even the most enthusiastic vr users don’t have vive trackers is kind of silly
indigo fern
Just wear the skin of Elon Musk himself, ez Tesla suit
pseudo bobcat
Body tracking is overpriced and only works in one game so far. Most people won't pay 300€ extra just to move their legs in vrchat
graceful pewter
yeah but they probably should focus on getting stuff to run well on the quest
tidal aspen
wtf my phone doesn't have a keyboard it sucks
covert linden
There are haptic suits in developmemnt
cinder wharf
@pseudo bobcat Again that doesn't mean you don't develop for it. Think outside the box.
pseudo bobcat
Body tracking will only become a proper thing when it's incorporated with the headset. Like with using the inside out cameras
tidal aspen
I'm not a fan of the quest, but you can't expect every technology to make use of everything
languid beacon
Lighthouses are a neat idea but it’s not the future. Inside out tracking is future. Cameras and leds on trackers
graceful pewter
especially considering that we are just doesn't even have a monetization mechanism in place so they can't focus on low priority features
tidal aspen
A bunch of VR games don't even have vive tracker support
and if they do it's for other peripherals like guns or something
vocal shard
full body tracking is stupid
I'm not paying £300 to be able to thrust into an e-girl
languid beacon
It’s really not but cool flex
tribal forum
I personally believe that vive tracker pucks are more usful for motion capture setups rather than game setups.
languid beacon
I have fullbody no regrets
graceful pewter
yeah much work useful as a motion-capture rig
harsh star
I wonder if I should get the quest or more sensors. Would be neat to have the quest.
tribal forum
It's much better using a VR setup for mocap than the kinect. Excluding fingers of course.
cinder wharf
"I can't have full body tracking therefore full body track isn't needed" great logic. Limit the scope of all VR games to smartphones then, go full 180 degrees.
vocal shard
See, i'd get full body if 1. I was indoors all day and 2. It's only in 1 game
umbral reef
But im going to wheeze myself into a coma from the bombshell 😂
languid beacon
You only need 3 Rift sensors. 360 tracking is very nice. Just get turnsignal so you don’t tangle your cable
covert linden
Vegeta, would you want something you never use?
vocal shard
You show me more games with full body and I will consider buying
cinder wharf
Yeah I would because you build the highway before the traffic comes.
covert linden
Like you can have full body, but what are you gonna do with it? What games does it actuuually function in?
tidal aspen
If you want full body you get something else that has full body
vocal shard
I'm not paying £300 to thrust into an e-girl
covert linden
but the thing is there would be traffic, your highway would be empty
languid beacon
Once you c an stop worrying about which way you are facing irl, you can let go and really get immersed
pseudo bobcat
It's still 300€ for moving legs in one game. It's a waste of money for the vast majority of players. I have the money to buy it, but I know it's not worth it, better wait for Gen 2 with integrated body tracking
cinder wharf
@vocal shard Your attempts at edginess are amusing keep it up someone will find it funny.
harsh star
Never heard of TurnSignal. I'll check it out.
cold ibex
Im totally gonna pay the price to do that
covert linden
its funny enough when I boink the doo
vocal shard
@cinder wharf Please, don't make me laugh. I'm drinking something
pseudo bobcat
As a Rift user, it's even more expensive - would have to buy 2 lighthouses on top of that so it's more like 500-600€ for moving legs in one game. Ridiculously overpriced and could get a whole new headset for that
cinder wharf
@pseudo bobcat Just because you've only seen one game with it doesn't mean it's only used in one game.
covert linden
name some games it works in please
pseudo bobcat
I don't play any other games with moving leg support
languid beacon
No joke I accidentally ended up in my kitchen (my tracking space is big )
covert linden
not only works, but has purpose
raw plaza
as a rift user you can use xbox kinect cams to get full body for like $50
graceful pewter
so can you list some of those other games that use leg tracking
royal dragon
Soccer simulator @covert linden
vocal shard
Look mister Vegeta man, I get you don't like to go outside. Not my problem is it?
covert linden
does soccer simulator even exist xD
pseudo bobcat
@raw plaza using kinect works like ass and doesn't support roomscale, only forward facing afaik
royal dragon
it's coming
pseudo bobcat
if you turn the camera screws up
covert linden
ok well awesome you can play sports in vr.. actually thats gonna be sad.. you arent even running just kicking xD
Roomscale > moving my legs
pseudo bobcat
I have a 4x3 metre roomscale area with 3 cameras, good luck getting a kinect to track my legs properly there
primal oak
There's Nolo VR, but like the Kinect, it's only forward facing.
prisma plover
People telling other people how to spend their money. OMEGA rofl.
royal dragon
hey dont you dare prove me wrong about my life choices
cinder wharf
Yeah I know, why not just drive on dirt roads forever because what's the point of building a highway when only 8 people own cars?
prisma plover
Also why have so many cars in the first place ? Each cars have like one person in it, even though you could sit 5 people in each.
covert linden
Lets have some one person cars
prisma plover
Toyota attempted that. Sort of worked in Japan I think ?
cinder wharf
Why bother developing technology when what we have is good enough right?
urban jasper
there's the BAC Mono, but that's more of a street-legal race car...
pseudo bobcat
VRchat animes will defend their fullbody to the death, not much to discuss there
covert linden
I understand the charm in it, just not that it should be on the quest
graceful pewter
it seems slow mode has been turned on
pseudo bobcat
slow mode is always on here
prisma plover
It's VRCD after all
graceful pewter
okay that's good to know
faint leaf
why is there no jiggle?
royal dragon
nice and slow just like logging in
urban jasper
Because the jiggle physics aren't implemented yet?
prisma plover
😆
umbral reef
@faint leaf uncheck the dynamic bone toggle. Its off by default because performance)
languid beacon
Anime’s don’t even work well in full body tho
faint leaf
how?
covert linden
@faint leaf Go to safety settings in VRC, theres a tiny thing that says performances, you can then disable the dynamic bone limiter
languid beacon
Legs too long feels like stilts
cinder wharf
I disabled it the first thing when I logged in.
covert linden
same
unkempt cliff
Same here
cinder wharf
Some of us don't build our PC's out of potatoes.
covert linden
I didnt even know how to walk yet with my vr headset xD
Even great Pcs can Lag on vrchat Vegeta.
languid beacon
Wearing anime in full body is like having those grabber arms glued to your shoes, sure you can move your ankle by its waaaay out there
cinder wharf
Yeah don't remind me.
covert linden
It just helps for people on lesser systems, or systems with vr since vr is like running the game twice
graceful pewter
yes but there is even a point where too many Dynamic bones will crush even a supercomputer
cinder wharf
I'm fully aware what it's for, I just don't need it.
languid beacon
I am not personally obsessed with dynamic bones. None of my own avatars use them
covert linden
I dont use it because I like to see my hair move
I get around 30 fps in vr, if im not mistaken.. only checked once, but I keep on on xD
languid beacon
I even legit purchased it and didn’t use it lol
graceful pewter
at most I only use five sometimes so I can have my ears and tail move a little even though I'm wondering if I could just cover the same effect with some idle animations
languid beacon
In my opinion hand made animations look better than dynamics
vague quarry
How is performance now with this DL in place? Haven't had a chance to get in VR yet
delicate perch
but they dont flow with motions like dynamic bones
languid beacon
For example a tail will just be a predominant wag which can have a realistic curve to it and not feel like a rag doll. It’s supposed to be limb not deadweight. If you need some inertia, make only the root bone dynamic and the rest are animation
pseudo bobcat
@vague quarry basically you can keep Sera's avatars visible without your FPS tanking by -30
vague quarry
Success then
prisma plover
First update for Oculus Quest version be like: "We optimized the Quest version to improve performance" and the graphics turn into this: http://i.imgur.com/upskfRr.png
graceful pewter
that is a good point Adeon Writer
cinder wharf
I doubt it'll be that extreme but yeah
vague quarry
I think I will actually add dynamic bones now, a little more than the limit. People who care enough to see more than 32 will want to see them, and those that hate it will have it disabled anyway
cinder wharf
I imagine they'll have settings specific to platform.
graceful pewter
probably much more stringent performance requirements before worlds are publicly viewable on Quest
cinder wharf
Just like on Steam you have a VR Mode and Desktop Mode, you'll have a Oculus Quest Mode.
languid beacon
I considered just setting my dyn limit to zero but after some thought I’m going to keep the defaults. If people care enough about the limit I have no issue seeing them
graceful pewter
but the desktop & VR modes on Steam share the same world
gaunt pine
shouldnt they fix the oculus verso=ion before announcing any new things for it?
covert linden
They should fix many thingd
coral ridge
Imagine playing vrchat on an occulus headset that comes with its own gpu
gaunt pine
lol first should fix this one
languid beacon
Is there something wrong with the oculus version? I use it primarily. What’s wrong with it?
storm estuary
Performance is really all that is in question wit this announcement
gaunt pine
idc about new shit just fix the current issue so i dont have to be 8 fucking feet tall and run off steam and the oculus app
royal dragon
boneless avatars in the quest
graceful pewter
non Dynamic bones are fine on cell phone Hardware
languid beacon
What if oculus quest users has specific “optimized avatars only” worlds but could explore the rest after a warning screen
storm estuary
There is a lot to this 😅
cinder wharf
without any details all we have is speculation.
covert linden
a warning screen that leads to crashing?
pseudo bobcat
@languid beacon they accidentally enabled dynamic resolution scaling on the Rift SDK version of VRchat, which has resulted in broken shaders, blurry low res, lower FoV, etc. Not sure if it's been fixed yet, but until it's fixed, better use SteamVR. Then go back to Oculus version when it's fixed
languid beacon
when was that introduced ?
indigo fern
Quest is literally a phone, this gon be gud
languid beacon
It’s more like a Nintendo switch
pseudo bobcat
@languid beacon with yesterday's update (dynamic bone limiter update)
storm estuary
Its a standalone "VR console" if you will 😉
cinder wharf
Oculus GO is the Smartphone one
storm estuary
that is completely wireless too 😛
indigo fern
Snapdragon 835, same as my pixel 2
languid beacon
Yeah Quest is portable console vr. Calling it phone vr is going to confuse people into thinking it used a phone
storm estuary
Yea cuz there is already the GO
indigo fern
Phone specs*
languid beacon
Go is not phone vr ether
umbral reef
@indigo fern one plus6 has a 845 :^)
cinder wharf
Yeah it is
languid beacon
Yes most handhelds use mobile CPU’s
indigo fern
LMAO
languid beacon
Switch and vita did too
indigo fern
One plus stronk
languid beacon
They must have had it somewhat performant or they wouldn’t have announced it
storm estuary
obviously lol
tribal forum
I wonder, how many Vive Tracker Pucks can steam VR support max? I am aware that VRChat only uses 3.
storm estuary
But again, as always (as with everything else too), Wait. For. Reviews.
cinder wharf
I heard 24
storm estuary
do NOT go out there rushing to buy it.
vocal shard
Hi
dry rover
hi
vocal shard
What’s up?
cinder wharf
Boneworks supports full motion control which means trackers too.
tribal forum
24? That is actually a suprising number to me. I expected like half that number.
primal oak
Hey does anyone remember what VRChat did on april fools day last year?
dry rover
no?
cinder wharf
they had an April Fools day?
primal oak
Did they do anything?
dry rover
idk
cinder wharf
If they did I wasn't around for it.
heavy narwhal
What's Oculus Quest?
vocal shard
A stand alone vr headset. No PC
desert stratus
pretty much the switch of VR
which is funny to say since the switch is getting labo VR lol
vocal shard
about as powerful as a switch too
dry rover
yeah
desert stratus
mhm! good if you don't care too much about pc vr, or if youre rich and obsessed with vr and want it on your travels
id recommend heavily
tidal aspen
labo VRchat when
tall garden
VRC on google cardboard pls
tribal forum
LMAO I forgot Labo actually has VR
umbral reef
TBH
Won't doubt that the switch + they will release can with some tricks run the quest version
heavy narwhal
How much does this Oculus Quest cost? I'm genuinely interest
vocal shard
$399
tribal forum
@heavy narwhal 400 USD, same price as a Oculus S
umbral reef
2.4ghz quest :')
urban jasper
I'd consider a Quest if I didn't already own a VR setup
heavy narwhal
Is the Oculus Quest worth it?
signal sequoia
I guess so
vocal shard
It's had very positive reviews. But it depends on your needs
heavy narwhal
I plan to purchase a Vive in the future but this Oculus Quest is very temtping
umbral reef
I judge it as harmfully towards the full gaming industry do 👀
signal sequoia
Do you already have a VR setup?
heavy narwhal
No
vocal shard
Because it's not as powerful as a PC and it can't connect to a pc, most games will have to be downscaled a bit and optimized
languid beacon
I think the quest is worth it especially if you have an older pc as always wait for reviews
cinder wharf
HTC Vive
signal sequoia
If you have enough money to buy a VR-capable PC then get the Vive
heavy narwhal
Alright
signal sequoia
If you're on a budget I guess you should get the quest
umbral reef
Locks you into a platform. Limited performance without any settings in the future..
Unless you really don't want to spend money on a PC and pc headset I don't judge it as worth it.
It's the same I think psvr is cool. But not if you can get anything else at all...
steep pagoda
i find it verry hard to belive oculus quest is gonna work lol
unless the networked ik is done by then
and there are perm locked safty settings on it XD
urban jasper
Or if you want to do fullbody tracking at some point in the future, the Quest is not ideal
umbral reef
Even wmr is neat for PC vr
covert linden
Wmr can Run on systems with really low specs so I Support it
afterall Im running WMr on an intel 630
umbral reef
@steep pagoda 2.4ghz
4k max materials and ECT
Even with that I doubt it
languid beacon
I own tons of consoles. I’m used to the concept of being “locked to a platform” I can always buy a different platform
cinder wharf
30% of users won't even be able to use the Rift S because of the IPD being a fixed 64mm
languid beacon
No different than constantly investing in updating a pc
steep pagoda
i just dont think the snapdragon soc is powerfull enought to run the game properly when even desktop processors struggle to maintain decent framerate
languid beacon
While that does make sense, I don’t think they would have announced it if it didn’t work well enough
fading raptor
why is the game so broken after the last update?
graceful pewter
well it's probably easier to go to maintain a good frame rate if you're much more stringent about what's permitted on the headset
umbral reef
Adeon ...
We still don't have things like udon
primal oak
This, unless VRChat updates to a Unity version that has multi core support I don't think the Quest will be able to deliver an acceptable experience.
floral aspen
^
steep pagoda
idk about that they have annouced things before that didnt work well XD
tidal aspen
run the game and literally look at your task manager
languid beacon
Well since they are releasing on Quest I’m just going to say I trust that they know what they are doing
umbral reef
And look at the current oculus update... Or how long it took to for then to change how they handle in-game requests.
I love the team, think they know most of there stuff. But boy- they often mess up and injudge this as one untill I'm proven wrong.
primal oak
@tidal aspen VRChat runs on Unity 2017.4.15f1. The very first Unity version to have multi core support is Unity 2018.1 So VRChat is still using a Unity version that supporty only one core.
umbral reef
Websockets is one of the main ways they could have lowered server problems and costs... It's called making a good base system to have something like that...
scarlet musk
https://twitter.com/VRChat/status/1110939105435611136
Hello everyone. Will there be reverse support for the PC version or is it the same version?
steep pagoda
idk lol
and yea tyhe team seems to tend to jump into things headfirst but often rush/mess up from time to time on things lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder wharf
Yeah and I think they said they had no immediate plans to upgrade to 2018
rigid crescent
Yeah in the nicest way possible, if the Quest is going to have a curated store and VRC is on it, the bar must be set pretty low with how often things break. Like it's a good fungame, but I've never seen anything have this many issues. "Oh btw your game just doesn't work every other patch" just seems like a low, low bar.
cinder wharf
It's not off the table but it's going to be a while if they do upgrade it.
weary bison
@primal oak VRChat doesn't run on one core. New Unity versions may come with features that help split the load more, though.
rigid crescent
Every other patch is generous, it really is every patch to be honest. It's one of the things I don't even bother saying much any more because it's so common, but definitely still a real issue
umbral reef
I'm tbh more amazed it's allowed then that they are doing it with the performance problems.
Facebook said they would not allow games unless they where top tier and ect
rigid crescent
Like right now what is it? Shaders and some other stuff on Oculus?
steep pagoda
vrc is multi core/threaded XD
what you are thinking of is the job system in 2018 to make threading easier @primal oak
cinder wharf
I've already tested the 2019 betas for Unity
primal oak
Most of the load is still put on a single core during gameplay.
random shadow
checks calendar
rigid crescent
Well everyone knows VRC will sell the Quest
random shadow
oh it's not april
indigo fern
And avatars load in the floor now lmao
primal oak
Job system? Never heard of it.
pseudo bobcat
Quest is great for portability and showing off VR to friends at their places. If you use VR at home, a PC VR headset is still the way to go
covert chasm
@indigo fern Fixed in an upcoming patch.
steep pagoda
no its not
its slipt between most cores
just the threads of thoes cores tend to be saturated
indigo fern
Yes pls, thank
primal oak
Will the upcoming patch also fix the low res on Oculus?
weary bison
morning tuppo
rigid crescent
How can I pretend to uproot my friends like turnips if you fix it? : /
sullen escarp
kek
random shadow
performance should be alright if the user primararily visits private worlds, which is great for existing users, but quest will probably bring in another influx of new players
umbral reef
So Tupper. Any news on how the quest stuff will work or not allowed to speak ?
random shadow
not sure how that would work out
tidal aspen
Unity can only update everything on a single core, but calculations can be done on other ones
again just look at your task manager and you can see that the other cores are being used
random shadow
definitely getting a quest after that announcement though
tidal aspen
hell you can see how many threads VRchat uses too
umbral reef
I still highly doubt it will be anything like PC be for vrc...
primal oak
I'll never abandon my trusty Rift.
coral lagoon
Can't wait to see perfomance tests on quest
rigid crescent
Good news for Quest with he bar being set low-ish is that they'll have way more room for games lol
umbral reef
I wonder if we will even get official performance tests
random shadow
i've been hesitating about going on vacations recently simply because i'll be away from my headset
rigid crescent
wait lol
random shadow
if vrc is coming to the quest then that settles that problem
rigid crescent
thats probably bad lol
cinder wharf
A game like VRChat and Boneworks would be a killer app in my opinion. Would sell HMD's like crazy. Imagine being in a social environment where some people are scaling the walls and holing on to ceiling fans and being flung around the room. Hilarity.
coral lagoon
All the games that have been announces had their resolution amd quality of video affected
Beat saber walls, hands on certain games
languid beacon
@rigid crescent also in the nicest way possible if you’ve never seen a game that breaks as much as vrchat you’ve never been part of a user generated social game before
coral lagoon
Vrchat might adapt in the same way
umbral reef
Amazingly beatbaser looked fairly good in the trailer
Super hot tho- lmao cubes instead of particles
languid beacon
This is just status quo
coral lagoon
A really low resolution hehe
primal oak
Here's a picture comparing the Rift to the Quest graphics https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*SYCyc2N7Ni7TG84YNvI7nQ.png
cinder wharf
in otherwords potato-mode
covert linden
dont forget the lag shown in the game previews
coral lagoon
The idea of playing vrchat anywhere you want is amazing though
primal oak
The gun on the Rift has 6,917 Polygons. The Quest version has 33.
coral lagoon
I mean, you probably need to play indoors
cinder wharf
you can certainly see the difference in the textures and model quality.
coral lagoon
Or maybe not who knows
rigid crescent
I played 2nd Life for a bit back whne G4 was a thing, plenty of 2D ones as well back when "zelda mmos" were relevant and nothing every broke _this _ bad EVERY update without fail.
covert linden
33..
primal oak
Oh and don't forget this https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1750/1*tr-og1vi0N5ZBFZ2257JUA.png
cinder wharf
yup it's a sack of potatoes
languid beacon
@primal oak what gun and how are you getting these numbers
cinder wharf
no material support
kind slate
vrc on the quest? how?
rigid crescent
There's a reason I don't even bother complaining about the whole "they always break something eveyr update" shtick, because im honestly expecting it and kinda not even worried about it any more, usually it at least gets sorta-fixed if it's actually gamebreaking
primal oak
@languid beacon Here's the source https://medium.com/silicon-valley-global-news/hands-on-video-with-oculus-quest-side-by-side-screen-comparison-of-rift-quest-6d0cd9b3115
graceful pewter
personally I don't think those Quest versions look too bad
cinder wharf
@languid beacon scroll up for the links
indigo fern
Can't wait for a quest to burst into flames
broken delta
For something completely portable and for the price ($399) the visuals look fine
cinder wharf
By the looks of things it probably won't since it'll be running in potato-mode.
broken delta
Good desktop VR can cost well beyond $1k
languid beacon
Yeah lots of confusing cynicism here this is litterally untheathered vr metaverse and people are complaining lol
indigo fern
It's not about the visuals lmao, it's the fact that content won't scale, so the device is just gonna die from worlds and avatars made for pcs
coral lagoon
It doesn't look bad. Vrchat is kinda different since it's not something that it can be controlled. The players are given the liberty to upload their models up to 70,000 polygons. And have as many materials as they want, even though it'll have a bad perfomance warning
graceful pewter
that is completely hyperbolic Lord Vegeta
covert linden
There would definately be a lot more strict of a poly limit for them, if they even get to pick what avatars
There was literal LAG in the previews with OPTIMIZED games...
ruby needle
NANI 
coral lagoon
If that's the case. Oculus quest users would have a different server
languid beacon
Did anyone here read snow crash? Yeah, world rendered with lots of shortcuts and downgrades when you logged in from some public terminal but the point is you were there
umbral reef
I'm still wheezing help me @ruby needle
ruby needle
Is it 1st of April?
coral lagoon
And pc players wouldn't be able to interact with them
covert linden
it must be april fools man..
cinder wharf
hyperbolic when it looks no different from a N64 or last gen Playstation game.
covert linden
give it a few days and theyll be like Sike lolol
kind slate
@vocal shard thank you so much! I was on the fence about getting the quest for my first VR, but vrchat being on it has sold me. does it work well? some people say it won't work properly
umbral reef
I love how legit no answer has been answered after this bombshell of a post on the how's of whats
covert linden
no way in hell itll work like the normal vrc does.. cmon..
graceful pewter
have you seen a Playstation One game Lord Vegeta
ruby needle
It definitely looks different @cinder wharf
covert linden
there was lag.. in the previews...
rigid crescent
Yea we'll probably just have to wait, you know how they are since people get pissy when everything doesn't happen when/how they said. easier to just radio silence lol
glacial sparrow
It looks like switch not n64 lul
umbral reef
@cinder wharf in VR these small changes that are clear to my mother (yes I asked her as I'm at the dinner table) are leaps more noticeable.
covert linden
LOL
umbral reef
@rigid crescent what about ore writing a blog post at least to not prevents miscommunications and rumors ..?
graceful pewter
yeah that's much more the downgrading for switch ports Monty
glacial sparrow
If the tracking is passable and it has mod support I'll probably buy one
languid beacon
Meanwhile there’s me who plans to buy a switch with no intention of buying Xbox/ps3
cinder wharf
ExDe707 literally posted the comparison screenshots and if you can't tell the difference between the two then you are either flat out denying it or you need glasses. I can see the polygons in most of the objects on the screen on the right.
graceful pewter
I didn't say there wasn't a difference I just saying it's not a PlayStation 1 game
languid beacon
I don’t see a difference. Admittedly I do need glasses
cinder wharf
I guess you could say edgy avatars incoming.
dapper moth
Ayo, anyone here got a good Sora avatar?
rigid crescent
More blog posts would be good but it kinda seems like we're getting that
dapper moth
i cant find one to save my life
languid beacon
Yeah I’m missing out on what everyone is laughing at
covert linden
im laughing at 'edgy' avatars bc of no polys
cinder wharf
lol
coral lagoon
Don't worry. It's just the joke that vrchat is playable on the oculus quest hahaha. I hope it really is though
languid beacon
I guess at this point, we have 1 fact: vrchat will be on quest. No one can deny that anymore. So now you either believe they got a way for it to work smoothly, or it will be a disaster that oculus is letting on their platform. I think the former is more believable /shrug
coral lagoon
It'll be more acessible to people that wanna play vrchat using a vr headset
cinder wharf
We'll have to bear endless jokes of "My avatar is so edgy it's literally triangles".
graceful pewter
considering that every other developer seems to be announcing their Quest games this does not seem to be a joke
weary bison
"do you guys not have phones?"
indigo fern
oh no
random shadow
Oculus' site has updated with a quest countdown
cinder wharf
If you thought those Knuckles avatars were bad, wait till you see them in the amazing graphics of the Oculus Quest.
safe prism
is this an out of season april fools joke
vocal shard
@kind slate
glacial sparrow
Guys it will be on quest with all avatars disabled
random shadow
seems like quest will be coming out on the 28th
indigo fern
VRChat Immortal
glacial sparrow
Vr chat but single player hmmmmm
cinder wharf
"Do you guys not have phones?"
covert linden
no this has to be april fools
graceful pewter
that's not for another 4 days
languid beacon
They wouldn’t play with my heart like this
covert linden
early april fools
graceful pewter
guess you guys are going to have to learn how to properly optimize your avatars
broken delta
There's probably a ton of optimization tricks that could make vrc work. Foveated rendering, aggressive level-of-detail on avatars, polygon limits, etc.
umbral reef
Il just get a single 6K material fur shader lul
cinder wharf
All your Anime waifus will be low res. They'll make the 2D ones look better by comparison.
umbral reef
2K polygons tho-
covert linden
im not optimizing mine
languid beacon
Soooo many detractors
cold talon
finally gonna have a single player campaign for vrchat
graceful pewter
okie dokie hope you don't have any friends who are getting Quest Rae
indigo fern
mine arent made for mobile platforms lmao
covert linden
The quest players likely wont even be able to see us pc users
Like is YOUR avatar optimized for quest?
cinder wharf
Rae's under no obligation to make her friends happy.
languid beacon
X doubt
covert linden
LIke, 2k polys, no shaders, no DYB?
coral lagoon
It should defitely work if the models were 1 poly minimum
indigo fern
lmao no shaders
covert linden
My friends dont mind my avatar because Its not horribly optimized, its just not great.
indigo fern
pink avatars
graceful pewter
well I do have a version of my fursona for Super Mario 64 so yes
coral lagoon
Lmao
languid beacon
I’m at 32k but I can make it more optimized
weary bison
I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone to optimize their content for quest
cinder wharf
If they don't like it they can just upgrade to a real Oculus Rift or live without not seeing her avatar.
covert linden
It isnt at all Noe
weary bison
I'm interested to see what actually happens
or even what form the quest client takes
umbral reef
Well a blog post for this would be nice
weary bison
we have performance metrics, maybe it'll auto-block
delicate perch
even if all avatars are optiimzed, with 20-30 around you will always lag
graceful pewter
covert linden
Because that is beyond optimized, if the norm for quest games, just basing off how the NPC had 2k polys, that for people, it'd be 2k. And anime avatars simply cant do that unless you want really really old models..
umbral reef
So rumors wont start...
And that i can properly meme the stuff or take my words back if proven wrong
rigid crescent
That's the nature of the IK. Once that's fixed it won't be as big of an issue, or an issue at all
weary bison
I'm expecting a big post or video or something yeah
umbral reef
But for now
2.4Ghz Cpu 😂
delicate perch
kinda makes me giggle when people are like "This world is so laggy! lets go to a less laggy one" then drop a portal and everyone goes thru. . . big OOFFFF
coral lagoon
They're just teasing us
rigid crescent
we crammed pugs to the brim when the IK was working, I think the biggest room I was in was like 30-ish and we were all just together with next t ono IK lag
coral lagoon
For now
cinder wharf
when you consider that avatars in VRChat can be up to a maximum of 70K. yeah a lot of them are going to look like asses on Quest.
umbral reef
Or well a whole .05 more then i said.
delicate perch
its never the world, its the avatars
covert linden
Thats wrong. There are laggy worlds.
indigo fern
lmao, what if they had some auto LOD to greatly reduces quality of things
that would be pog close up in vr
rigid crescent
Uh what? It's very often the world too lol
covert linden
There are worlds that can destroy your systems FPS lol
weary bison
very difficult to force-optimize user-generated content
rigid crescent
There's worlds (that aren't just boxes with grids) that I can be 90FPS on with the mirror and like 15 people
and there's worlds I auto drop to 45 on wtih the mirror
covert linden
Theres worlds I auto drop to 10 because theres fog everywhere and forced mirrors
graceful pewter
delicate perch
thats mirror qualtiy i think, if i recall its what it shows, you can disable a lot to reduce lag
rigid crescent
We literally leave worlds to my friend's worlds when we want to get away from lag caused by BOTH avatars and the world itself
umbral reef
But unless oculus and VRchat will pull some legit magic tricks they will have to harshly limit things...
Just a IK, voip. networking (what they semi did already) change wont be enough with any avatar...
covert linden
Even with mirrors off, worlds have the full ability to be laggy.
delicate perch
well fair enough, some worlds are laggy, but my point was being in like "The Box" and complaing the world is laggy when its the avatars
rigid crescent
Like when I'm in the Volt vs when I'm in some other more friendly map is a worlds different and that's without the mirror
languid beacon
That’s not VRChat’s fault that’s the person who uploaded it
graceful pewter
and that most people upload avatars intended for rendering
languid beacon
Just have a new category for mobile friendly avatars/worlds and promote it as a category easy
rigid crescent
It's not always jsut the avatars as far as quality goes, at about 20-something people the IK is just too much of a load
cinder wharf
weird I get 90 FPS in Volt even with 15 people in the room with me.
delicate perch
well the volt uses a lot of cameras i think and mirrors and other things that can lag
cinder wharf
but like Open Mic Night with 15 people it tanks to 30