I zone out pretty hard though.
#vrchat-general-2
small wing
rigid crescent
It's not weird just a bit off
rough pulsar
In my experience it's a lot harder because the only addition to voice is occasional head rotations.
With VR users (even HMD only) the extra movement gives loads of additional context & subtleties to what's being said.
rigid crescent
Like I can have the same quality conversation it's just a bit harder on my end as far as 'immersion' and social cues go
rough pulsar
Even more with HMD & controllers and even more again with FBT.
queen mango
I am so getting VR somewhere in the future
rigid crescent
Also my friends without facial expressions are bad friends.
rough pulsar
I have to put additional effort in when talking to desktop users because all those things I can just pick up on naturally from VR users I have to infer from voice alone.
small wing
In terms of expression and body language, i try not to pay attention to it too much. Leaves me assuming what people are feeling, which ive noticed people don't like that. 😛
rigid crescent
Touch your damn blendshapes. I see those emotes in your head
bright widget
I really like to show my custom avatars to people, I'm proud of my job and I like to see theirs too. So when I stare in front of a mirror, I get the satisfaction to see what I did and I feel good.
rigid crescent
I didn't work very hard on mine so I don't get that lol
rough pulsar
Anyway, I must be off. Have fun and don't do anything I would do.
mod gone time to party
small wing
All my avatars are pretty meh to me now. Not sure what to improve, but also not sure what makes it boring.
Maybe its just me?
rigid crescent
Mimi is my favorite VRchatter because we have matching nails.
bright widget
Mic, remember that most people dont even have custom stuff so hey that's always better to be original
rigid crescent
Yeah, it's nice seeing the "base" of some things I use. All default colors shaders and whatnot
bright widget
I meant being different
rigid crescent
Everyone who can should definitely touch at least textures.
bright widget
I agree
rigid crescent
Blendshapes and textures can turn a plain looking avatar into something nice and s little unique.
ebon robin
HI
viscid seal
they are a novelty, only good for specific moments but not to permanently work around as one
with the right timing they can be fun
but best to do it in private instances with friends , not in public
vocal shard
By giants I mean actual giantesses most of the time, you know, fetish material
vocal shard
I don’t mean slightly taller or tall men like mr X or my FBI avatar
viscid seal
but fair play to those that like it XD
vocal shard
They’re very obstructive though, don’t you think?
queen mango
Sometimes.
Iron Giant can go through multiple floors of the Great Pug. But a Warhammer Imperium Soldier will only have issues with doors and small hallways
thick rivet
just ran into some performance breaking avatars. Well, it pains me to say that, but time for me to bring back the safety shield xD
umbral reef
Safety shield wont help you when ti comes to dynamic bones
glossy wharf
You sure about that :^)
umbral reef
Well disabling the full avatars but that dumb
light river
i do wish there was a client side dynamic bone setting that could at least limit their update rate
people go bananas with those things
velvet quarry
I believe the update rate is hardcapped at 60 when uploaded
light river
ah, never knew lol
velvet quarry
It USED to be uncapped, which indeed caused some... performance issues to say the least
light river
settings would be really cool to have though, it would give the performance stats a bit of function for people besides the avatar uploader
stone current
1000000 updates
umbral reef
Its hard capped at 60 yes what is still too high imo with how the frames work in VR
But at the same time.
People should not have the script on there 100 bone skirts with a collider for every finger
stone current
itd be cool if update rate synced to fps * 60/90
light river
like "if a model goes over this amount of polys/materials it won't display"
velvet quarry
It'd be good to see a more performant alternative, but the 60 hardcap does cause some oddities when your framerate goes above it, under certain circumstances.
umbral reef
Its not that easy though pockette
A i can use a fur shader that is more laggy then 100 other optimized shaders...
stone current
wouldn't me thing help a bit while making frames hop around
light river
i'm not exactly a game dev whiz kid, but couldn't the bones be capped to a pretty low update rate but be interpolated to appear smoother?
stone current
well the interpolation is still a calc
but prob a faster one
cuz skipping collision checks
but thats a problem
umbral reef
There are GPU style dynamic bones that VRC could allow. They are a lot less hard on most pc's and work pretty well with 2017+ unity.
Its also free to use what gets rid of the bad imago from the sharing that happens now
light river
ah yeah, i wasn't even aware that dynamic bones were a bought thing until i looked farther into it
stone current
it kinda anoying imo how they didnt just have all assets included in sdk as built by the team
so not using others assets
umbral reef
its not that odd though
Making these scripts themself would take a lot of resources
stone current
also gotta rely on the devs of them to fix it
if something broken or could be done better
light river
i can't recall, but are cubedparadox's shaders whitelisted by the game?
light river
ah yeah, i meant as a custom shader
glossy wharf
if ur talking about the fallback system, it doesnt work properly in a lot of cases.
stone current
as long as u got shaders enabled anybody can run compiled shaders
glossy wharf
Any shader works.
You could make your own one and if users have shaders enabled they could see it.
stone current
haha imagine if u had 2 request for ur shader to be whitelisted
light river
Well yeah, I was talking about the fallback system considering they're on the team and all
stone current
'c-c-can i request this distortion filter-' "NO"
glossy wharf
The fallback system doesnt work properly in 9/10 cases
stone current
it only falls back to the vrchats defaults
glossy wharf
it doesnt fall back to some defaults correctly though, it just falls back to standard most of the time
light river
i do see some people that appear totally green since they're using a weird shader
umbral reef
Saaiii
Can i pay you to bring me food <#?
stone current
like one of my avatars had a shader where i had set the normals to like .05 because they were really severe
velvet quarry
When a shader is blocked with no fallback, they'll have a color tint that matches their user rank.
light river
aahhhhh
glossy wharf
wait what
stone current
and for people with no shaders on it would look messed up
light river
that's pretty neat
glossy wharf
New Knowledge acquired
umbral reef
Also first time hearing that hmm
glossy wharf
i never heard that
stone current
y is that good
light river
i try my best to only use the standard unity shaders so everybody can see my shit
glossy wharf
Im actually not entirely sure thats true, i swear ive seen greens and blues without them getting colored
stone current
new users wil be smurfs and users wil be goblins
velvet quarry
I can't honestly remember exactly what causes it, but I do know it's something related to the fallback system
glossy wharf
oh probably when they use a weird way of implementing the maintex on the avatar, so theres no texture and then it falls back to rank color as material color
velvet quarry
Yeah that sounds about right
stone current
no wonder my friend was seeing a new user as a smurf
glossy wharf
It all comes together
light river
since I don't know much about unity, are screenspace shaders that distort everything identifiable as such? Like, could the importer prevent it without literally having a blacklist?
stone current
uh not really
shaders get compiled
well eventually
and then its just a set of instructions
from CPU to GPU
light river
ahh yeah i wasn't really thinking about how they worked anyhow, i'm guessing it's just a big sphere around their avatar that they apply the shader to
glossy wharf
actually dont quote me on that
stone current
much like how u can write a shader in shadertoy to turn a blank screen into a 3D landscape
can do a lot of things with shader code
also shader editors and node editors but != shader code
light river
i was just erroneously thinking about what exactly they were applying the shader to is all, and if that could somehow be a means of detection
light river
really the only identifiable thing i can think of is their avatar bounds(?) since it's usually a bigass sphere
stone current
theres not an issue with most distortion shaders really
glossy wharf
AS i said, you cant identify it as such
stone current
its just that theyre overused, used for trolling, and sometimes have a gigantic size or don't get distance culled
glossy wharf
Bounds can be a big avatar, bounds could be a landscape shader on a sphere, bounds could be them hiding their nametag with a big sphere.
stone current
i wrote my own distortion and etc shaders with a small radius and distance cull
stone current
also snail marker
glossy wharf
Snail xd
stone current
huge bounds
light river
sorry if i sound ignorant lol, like I said I don't know much at all about unity
glossy wharf
Didnt they fix that tho wulfe
umbral reef
They kinda did
glossy wharf
i think someone made a diff pen prefab with less bounds
umbral reef
Its more they just made snails more proper
umbral reef
Also everyone has to learn one way or another
Your learning right now what makes it good
light river
phew, i was afraid i was asking a lot of stupid questions
urban jasper
There's no such thing as a stupid question. Anyone who belittles you for not knowing something is small-minded. How are you supposed to learn?
languid beacon
Shaders draw pixels on your screen, and aren’t necessarily limited to the part of the screen the avatar should be on, so it’s very easy for a shader to simply ignore the model and draw on all your screen pixels. Easier than doing what a normal shader does, in fact.
vocal shard
shaders are tiny programs that get executed each pixel or each vertex, you see the pixel ones the most but shaders can also transform your meshes or generate extra polygons
languid beacon
Yeah shader can live on different parts of the render process. I’ve never touched a fragment shader but it happens before standard shaders as far as I can tell
unkempt juniper
HMM
is there any way that I can downgrade the unity?
I accidently updated the unity and it starts not uploading my world
umbral reef
Redownload it
unkempt juniper
isnt it going to delete my projects then?
umbral reef
Might be smart to back them up first
You need to reimport them anyway into the right unity version
uneven sigil
Hello
vivid vale
im not recieving invites when my friends send them to me
safe prism
I’ve never touched a fragment shader but it happens before standard shaders as far as I can tell
standard surface shaders compile into vertex + fragment shaders
"before" isn't the term
heavy dawn
okano is the term : for cool
civic sphinx
So are PikaPetey's Shiba models in a world or are they privately owned? I only got the Ugandan Knuckles Shibe
weary bison
most are private, I've heard there are details on his patreon
leaden star
Guys i have a question
Since a month i made some change in my life
I started working hard and starting bodybuilding
and yes i need to start practising my english too
And there is a problem maybe vrchat can help me
I'm socially awkward and very shy
So i wanted to know if virtual reality can help me, specially with my body, i'm very awkward with it and i know the best would be to do team sport, but no i can't
I don't know maybe dancing in virtual reality in front of anime girl can help me
heavy dawn
Do some dance lessons for real. Go look up a style of dance on YouTube.
reef hedge
awkward with your body in what way? Like self-confidence, or you just feel uncoordinated and awkward in terms of movement and body language?
if the latter, dance lessons or yoga. Yoga specifically does a ton for getting you in tune with your body and comfortable with it.
tacit plank
Sure, VRChat is a great sandbox for practicing social stuff!
tiny ginkgo
"I don't know maybe dancing in virtual reality in front of anime girl can help me" <- that's so cute
I think dancing is a wonderful way to "feel" your body
But for that case you would probably want to get Full Body Tracking
The cheaper solution is to get a large mirror in your living room and watch some lessons on YT
frail escarp
I need to do a question! is asking someone to do an avatar for you lazy , even if you don't require blender and it's a 2D avatar?
tiny ginkgo
I don't know if it's lazy exactly, but you will probably be told no (unless you pay) because it's a rather lengthy process.
frail escarp
Alright! i already payed someone for making an avatar
tiny ginkgo
Then I don't see the issue. Just be sure you get what you paid for.
tacit plank
Isn't it just a plane with a changing texture? (you can't do .gifs in Unity btw. You can do shader stuff though)
tiny ginkgo
It's very much on a case by case base but if it's a "simple" thing usually 2D is simpler
opaque hawk
@frail escarp if you google my name on YouTube I have two tutorials on 2D animated Avatars. You can totally make 2D avatars without blender FYI
frail escarp
Thanks , i'll try to
heavy dawn
@opaque hawk Just using planes?
opaque hawk
Yeah or quads. Under a empty game object
heavy dawn
Yeah that'd do it. :D
How do you handle the animations all in Unity? Just like, have different animated textures?
opaque hawk
There are shaders than can render sprite sheets as animations.
heavy dawn
Oh! Like using a sliding doors technique like websites?
opaque hawk
Idk it’s like a flip book
vocal shard
Flip book
I wish there was an option to reposition it
The offset is broken
I added flipbook to an existing shader
heavy dawn
akalink: For websites if you want to have a quick animation or have all of your icons in one file for quicker download you can use a "sliding doors" technique that basically shows only one sprite out of a sprite sheet at a time and simple slides the x/y position to show different parts of it.
Or wait... I might be thinking of how you can show several pieces of content using anchors.
vocal shard
Someone wanna send me a modified poiyomi that has working flipbook offset
heavy dawn
Different name, same concept.
opaque hawk
The technical term is sprite sheet iirc. It divides a image by x/y coordinates like you said and then you can access each image like an array
heavy dawn
Yeah, I think that's a more accurate term. I've been misusing the sliding-doors term but it's not the same thing. Similar but not the same.
On the web sprite sheets are nice because that's only one HTTP request.
median basalt
Lol, some random guy just messaged me "fuck you" and he came through this Discord, any ideas? Should I report this to the mods here or...?
tiny ginkgo
I'm not sure there's much to do about it except for a block.
median basalt
That's what I did lol, just wanted to make sure
tiny ginkgo
Yeah
median basalt
Judging by the response here, I must have offended some clique of people who don't optimize their avatars
opaque hawk
Good call rokk
median basalt
I lost probably nothing worth of value
opaque hawk
Lol
median basalt
But I need muh colliders for my 200 hair bones!!
opaque hawk
How can I have glowing eyes if I combine materials??
tiny ginkgo
Hehe don't let them get to you. Just a bunch of immature people with too much time
opaque hawk
I think we are past that particular problem now though
tidal aspen
Why should I optimize my avatar in a game where 90% of the content is user generated,. CLEARLY the devs should optimize their game better >>:^(((
languid beacon
Attn people who don’t want to optimize their avatars and are very angry that people care about it: I hope you get minority inconvenient hiccups.
tiny ginkgo
To the same group: I hope you drop your coffee and someone laughs at you because they know it was the first cup of the day.
median basalt
Imagine getting your world taken down because you don't optimize. But then instead of fixing it, you catch a few public bans and let it spread via cloning. And then you actively seek out critics and tell them "fuck you"
I can't imagine a worse way to spend my days
Every word they typed to me could have been another dynamic bone merged into its parent
velvet zephyr
before typing anything here, and critiquing others stuff how about you learn how to actually make 3d models instead of puting deviant art blender fixes in your world
languid beacon
Well optimized deviantart mmd models with push button receive avatar plugin > custom made avatar with 20 materials and 50 dynbones
median basalt
Imagine shit talking someone because they don't model anything from scratch
/r/gatekeeping is that way 👈
hollow umbra
Or be cool like me and use mixamo
opaque hawk
I’m to busy to be mad and or salty
median basalt
I'd rather have optimized premade Touhou models in my world than laggy stuff that's had extensive work done on it
As much as I dislike subcom, why don't you take an example from them instead
languid beacon
I don’t care where you get your avatar, how it was made, or how much or if you paid for it. I literally only care about if it’s optimized. And if it isn’t, and you paid for it. You got ripped off.
median basalt
You don't see me shit talking the quality of other worlds because that is a dick move
opaque hawk
I’m glad Lyra is getting lots of commissions she does care to optimize them
hollow umbra
Please don’t talk about that kind of stuff here. It’s against the rule
median basalt
200 isn't too bad
I take issue with 3000 though
There's a difference between shit talking people's avatars for being knowingly unoptimized, or shit talking them because you don't think they're good enough. One is a dick move, the other is not
hollow umbra
Dynamic bones are for chumps. Rigid bodies 💪🏿
covert linden
I have 200 and 3 materials, im trying to make it one but the atlas had problems with a few of the parts which is why currently its like that
median basalt
If you put all that work into modeling you should be able to optimize just fine 😊
Unless you're one of those people who doesn't care about anyone else or their game experience
covert linden
If my avatar hurt my friends perfomancd id fix it instantly. i get whar 11fps is like
median basalt
It took me just a day to get my world public again after the optimization limits because my stuff was, for the most part, already well optimized
cold talon
rigid crescent
before typing anything here, and critiquing others stuff how about you learn how to actually make 3d models instead of puting deviant art blender fixes in your world that was your whole fucking world lol
median basalt
^^^^
I didn't wanna say it because that would make me look like an ass, but I agree
There's a difference between criticizing someone for poor optimization, or criticizing them because you think they're not good enough or you don't like them
One is a matter of courtesy and the other is opinion or ego
opaque hawk
I didn’t make green star avatars when I first started.
rigid crescent
He intentionally circumvented the system because he knew his world was unoptimized what a fucking jooooooke
heavy dawn
I didn't even know there were new optimization limits. That must be why so many people in the document had failed ones due to bad avatars?
rigid crescent
Yep.
hollow umbra
My friend of mine got his world public after a few tries
But then again, it’s irrelevant unless it’s some kind of chill and hangout world 😎
opaque hawk
I got rejected when the system was implemented but I got it together and passed the second time.
hollow umbra
How to get popular, have a mirror
opaque hawk
Anime grills thumbnail avatar world
rigid crescent
I'm actually so confused lol
hollow umbra
How to get really popular have toggle mirror
rigid crescent
How can he criticize for using mmd mashups when that's all his world ever was
Like that's the stupidest thing I've seen said in here for a while and I've seen some shit
heavy dawn
I get it that new limits make life hard for people who created stuff but really don't understand how any of it works. But that's not really an excuse for feeling entitled to use the system anyway or waste other people's CPU. 🤷
hollow umbra
How to get really really popular have client side only mirror
median basalt
Because his newer models are somewhat edited in Blender I guess
Even though mine are too
rigid crescent
Blueprint ID blocking. I'd actually pay for the feature at this point lol
opaque hawk
I’d block that avatar with the 20k cloth transforms
hollow umbra
Every triangle is a bone
opaque hawk
Almost 20k upper 19k
heavy dawn
Like... I can understand for realtime wanting to use say... 4 bones for a dress, or maybe 8 (2 rows of 1 each cardinal direction). Beyond that it's getting a bit much. At least use one dynamic script at the root of those and not separate ones.
I usually use 1 but the result isn't great. Clips through the body, etc. Still learning I guess.
rigid crescent
Is yelling at idiots on Twitter the VRchat endgame 
hollow umbra
The endgame is attaching integrated adult toys for advance erp
median basalt
@rigid crescent svel told me to say "i love you, no homo though"
For that comment about shonzo's world only being MMD fixes lol
hollow umbra
Incel sounds like incest
flat jasper
Does anyone know if space mover works for oculus?
rigid crescent
lol
isn't he in in his discord and wasn't he one of the ones defending him pre-rank saying all his avatars passed perf check?
or was that another old regular whose name started with an S
hollow umbra
@flat jasper it should if you also have vive trackerss
hollow umbra
Np
There should be a subreddit talking about how to set up oculus with vive tracker
median basalt
Lmao shonzo tweeted about it too
Just saw it
For the record I reported his world too, gotta do my part in getting unoptimized garbage outta the game
languid beacon
Yes space mover works perfectly with oculus but you need at least a hip tracker. You can do this with an extra oculus controller on your hip. If you try to use play space mover without a hip tracker you will find you leave your body behind if you go in the air your feet stay grounded
rigid crescent
Same. He acts like we all just spammed reports. You only get one per use and im sure as hell not getting an account up in hours just to report him lol
rigid crescent
It's sad, because a lot of followers of popular creators don't know anything about avatars. No offense to anyone who uses public avatars, but most tend to not understand that kind of thing or why it matters
stone current
a lot of ppl make content trolling and putting bad stuf in vrcat
and then complain when booted off
like idc how popular u r
rigid crescent
i think more people are just ignorant than they are malicious
stone current
rigid crescent
but he knew he was skirting the system otherwise he wouldn't have been a 5.6.3p world.
stone current
🐾
sudden nacelle
"your 200 particles are lagging me" - anime avatr with 5k collision checks
such a common thing i hear
rigid crescent
pretty much
stone current
not as bad as "sorry did it on accident" -avatar with 20 crash lasers and shaders on gesture
rigid crescent
and there's never a middle ground. It's either 5k collision checks or like a few hundred
stone current
then theres those sdk modders
sudden nacelle
yh
inner hound
It's fully deserved tbh, Optimise your stuff exx dee
velvet quarry
And here I am with my 8 collision checks 
stone current
w/ 500k polygons, 20 material, 120 dynamic bone, 6k checks
and 0 fucc given for optimize model
sudden nacelle
on one model i have 1 collision check, os i cna have something dangling off my side
and it was clipping so hard, i made 1 dyn bone check
@stone current dont forget the 20 skinned mesh renderers
stone current
yea and the db collider per joint in wrist inclusive
indigo fern
or those nasty cloth hair avatars
sudden nacelle
^
indigo fern
literally looks like greasy noodles, but okay
queen mango
So.. what are collision checks?
sudden nacelle
they look like seaweed imho
inner hound
Cloning needs to be moderated 😔
stone current
3 collider per finger
sudden nacelle
when you put dynamic bone components on your avatar, you can also have them check for collision spheres you can also configure
rigid crescent
the number of transforms affected by colliders
stone current
30 collider total, + 2 collider for hands
sudden nacelle
that way, your dynamic bones won't go into a mesh
stone current
so however many transforms u got
sudden nacelle
for instance
stone current
transform * 32
is ur checks
so those crazy 100 bone skirts
and 200 bone hair
300 * 32
9600 checks
👌👌
inner hound
🤠 🦐
blissful pivot
Do you guys wanna hear fart jokes?
inner hound
Yeah man
stone current
n0
sudden nacelle
Join me in 8-Ball
blissful pivot
:c
stone current
do u wana heer a dog fart
blissful pivot
yes
rigid crescent
Cloning is technically moderated. Just report the avatar. They need to just start punishing users and not letting them have public avatars if they keep making infractions, that's the only way I can see it getting better outside of Avatar ID Blocking
opal rain
moderation in my vrchat
sudden nacelle
@rigid crescent i mean, i have been 1 month public banned for making avatars public
inner hound
Yeah oof
rigid crescent
oh on a public ban lol
sudden nacelle
but they were meme avatars, not casual anime sit infront of mirror avatars
stone current
https://youtu.be/NxGxl-IbVFk here bc u asked
sudden nacelle
so i got beaned so fast
velvet quarry
protip: don't do meme avatars
sudden nacelle
kinda sad... and instead of taking my ability to make avatars public (just making me have private avatars), they just shut me out the game pretty much
stone current
make pp fr0g avatar
sudden nacelle
what the fuck, why not? this game built such a huge fanbase based on memes
stone current
meme avatar ok but no shity meme avatar
inner hound
Meme avatars are the backbone of this game.
rigid crescent
The issue is when they become invasive and are used to harass people, which they tend to be
stone current
no 300k poly konkles avatars
sudden nacelle
this game wouldn't have gotten so much attention without the memes
rigid crescent
you might be using them to meme around with friends but there's people going to publics and blasting shit everywhere with the intent to disrupt and be malicious and annoying
velvet quarry
I'm exaggerating ofcourse, but I do see a few too many excessively done ones around ever since the clone feature came along
odd lava
We are making anime real here, no need for invasive memes
stone current
i mean ppl are invasiv with unitychan avatar already
velvet quarry
God forbid if it has screenshake
sudden nacelle
i mean, sure. but literaly any avatar can be used to annoy people. you don't even need a avatar to annoy people
stone current
there was a server full of unitychan asking "where the money at"
opal rain
god forbid i make people laugh instead of lagging their game out with unoptimized avatars
inner hound
😔
sudden nacelle
the cloning feature is unpolished and not tested to the extend it should be.
not giving creators the option to make avatars pedestral only flawed the whole thing
opal rain
^^^^^^
sudden nacelle
i can see it being a cool thing, but it would have needed way more polish before pushing it out so lightly
opal rain
and instead of actually giving the creator control, they've done nothing for 3 months
rigid crescent
Not everyone is using it for fun with friends is the thing, they're using it to be malicious.
stone current
woof
rigid crescent
Avatar ID blocking, pedestal only avatars, and possibly friend only avatars would fix almost all the issues with cloning
sudden nacelle
but that was the case before aswell, when cloning was pedestral only
opal rain
the amount of public crash avatars is astounding
opaque hawk
Some people use avatars as quest rewards
rigid crescent
that way if I block the ID of some spammy loud screengrab thing once, i've blocked them on everyone
stone current
unless is meme/troll avatar
sudden nacelle
i always loved giving out avatars i spend alot of time and sweat on to my best friends, and they loved showing them of
the cloning kinda took it away
rigid crescent
and once you implement that, you can implement harsher punishments for people obviously trying to skirt that by uploading the same avatar on 5 different IDs
opal rain
@rigid crescent i agree
rigid crescent
Because i genuinely don't think most of these meme avatars are made to be malicious, they're just being used maliciously
because the option is either everyone can have them ,or no one
sudden nacelle
i got banned 1 month, and i only made the avatrs public because people were constantly asking me to make em cloneable, cause they loved em
*public banned
you have probably seen my avatar arround, it's the emoji ybot. never meant to be malicious, it's just a fun thing i did
opal rain
popular enough to have someone post on facebook about how it was banned
languid beacon
Is there any way to have something similar to having blender’s “inherent scale” unchecked? Head bone shrinks locally but I’d like some child bones of head to not shrink out of view
rigid crescent
Yeah while it's not meant to be used that way, it is and that's the issue. I think they need to go after the people using that way more tbh
umbral reef
Gonna be intresting with the new system we are getting.
Wonder how fast it will take for people to realize optimazation is a suggestion again...
sudden nacelle
They are completely getting rid of the optimization guidelines
stone current
i wish blender was less dumb when applying bone scales
sudden nacelle
Expect frames to die more.
stone current
u scale head bone for example and apply as rest pose
umbral reef
@sudden nacelle Well its not like it was needed with the cloning stuff anyway...
stone current
all the blend shapes don't adapt
umbral reef
You had walking avatar worlds instead
sudden nacelle
True tbh
sudden nacelle
Cloning also killed avatar worlds
vapid musk
Can I configure the SDK to launch the game in Desktop mode by default after Testing/Publishing instead of VR mode?
stone current
?
sudden nacelle
There is a workaround to it
sudden nacelle
I dont have it at hand rn
DM me real quick, and ill send you when my friend send me how to do it
rigid crescent
I think even without cloning, the 16 favorites would've done a pretty good job at hurting avatar worlds too
median basalt
Cloning is really bad
rigid crescent
most people just go, favorite, and leave anyway
languid beacon
It’s sad to see that happen to avatar worlds but I would not give up 16 favorites and cloning to get them back to how they were
sudden nacelle
imagine spending time building a nice avatar world.
this meme was made by cloning
median basalt
Like favorites is debatable
But cloning is just the worst thing
Larens fucking unoptimized BS everywhere
And yeah nobody really goes to my world anymore with cloning
languid beacon
Cloning is fine. We just need block avatar ID’s and maybe block all ids by creator. Keep cloning itself
sudden nacelle
exactly. they just clone, and don't look at the world of the creator, that he probably spend alot of time working on
languid beacon
I regularly visit the worlds of recently cloned avatars.
sudden nacelle
most people don't even know who the avatr creator of the model they are in is, which is really sad in my honest opinion.
even if its just a very simple avatr port straight from devientart, someone DID went and got it from there
@languid beacon then you are in the below 1% of people that actualy do that
languid beacon
I don’t feel that’s accurate
sudden nacelle
i know for a fact it is.
umbral reef
Tbh i barley even know how to check the creator of an avatar...
I find it more by accident then knowing how to do it..
mossy garden
Most people I know will always visit an avatar world if they have a cloned avatar from it or just see an avatar they like. "where'd you get that?" and a portal soon follows.
However, unless a world is updated often or is a legitimately nice place to hang out, it's usually a one off visit. Yuumis and RustTV are regularly visited for a reason.
Cloning and favoriting hurt avatar worlds but people learn tricks to keep players coming back and bring in new players.
rigid crescent
You can't actually check creator if you're in the avatar, only if someone else has it
stone current
woof
also people do this thing where
they join worlds bc friend or someone has cool avatar
clone the avatar sneakily and leave immediately after
median basalt
Besides my models aren't deviantart ports lol
A large portion are Touhou models taken from bowlroll and fixed up some issues on a lot of them, as well as optimizing and atlasing them
The ones that aren't often involve some harder models like stuff put together from parts, often parts retopologized or stuff that was originally game ripped and didn't even have finger bones
stone current
wat about avatar where every color is t own material
opaque hawk
Making kitbashed avatars is pretty fun.
Gearbell is the master of it, you’d swear they were original
Unless you recognized a specific part.
sly nexus
Okay honestly I dont know who Larens is
I see people complaining about Larens constantly (maybe a couple people idk) but Ive not noticed them enough that theyre like world ending avatars?
rigid crescent
THey're not world ending, just highly unoptmized. 3-5k collision checks last I checked, hundreds of dynamic bones, etc
no avatar is going to just crash a world unless it's made to do so, they'll just add to the performance laod
median basalt
I like Gearbell's avatars a lot
opaque hawk
We are really just complaining about the tragedy of the commons. People thinking they are exempt from optimization for whatever reason
median basalt
I see a larens model in almost every instance
Literally just go over every model marked "Very Poor" and you'll see at least one made by Larens or Krogenit most likely
I have to hide like 10 of them every evening
opaque hawk
I wonder why they are so popular
median basalt
Because they're "in" and trendy right now
I see a lot of avatars like those that aren't made by Larens, usually from uh
I forgot what the world name was but they're basically optimized Larens.
rigid crescent
Yuumi?
rigid crescent
Yuumi's are nice af and optimized
median basalt
Just like Filn's avatars were also trending before that
Yeah I like Yuumi's avatars. I don't use them myself but they're packed with nice things and look good, and are optimized too.
rigid crescent
not gonna lie, i went to that world and was like "lol there's no way these pass perf check, this must be an old world"
but i was super surprised they were nice and passed
median basalt
Yuumi works hard on his avatars and was back up pretty quickly
rigid crescent
need that "Optimized" tag for avatar worlds already, give them their own column
sly nexus
Can you DM me pictures of Larens models
vocal shard
I’m gonna try to make the most low-power avatar ever
With the fewest polygons possible
sly nexus
Make a Mazda6
vocal shard
But it would look a little like old SNES 3D games
i dont know what that is
a car
My man this is VRChat
not gran turismo
Which is a great game btw
median basalt
@sly nexus they're the ones with furry ears and tail, white hair with highlights, tattoos all over the body, and a backwards cap
I don't have pictures
sly nexus
Ohhh tbh I always thought those looked kinda nice but couldnt find them lmao
vocal shard
Dont say furry ears, that’s an insult to furry avatars
sly nexus
Whats wrong with driving around in vrchat?
Have your friends hop in the seats and play some tokyo drift
vocal shard
Well if you’re gonna be a car might aswell play on desktop innit
sly nexus
I play desktop :f
vocal shard
Yeah well
sly nexus
Besides its about fuuunn
sly nexus
Who doesnt enjoy laughing maniacally while running around a room
vocal shard
Clipping around n shit
opaque hawk
Could someone dm me a picture of those avatars as well
sly nexus
I know what they look like now, just dont have a picture
valid marsh
Hewwo
livid gull
Hello snowy, how are you?
atomic rain
Linky is here
vocal shard
@rigid crescent its not like youre ever in a world with 40 optimized friends at the same time
then get new friends
rigid crescent
and?
it doesn't have to be at 40 to be an issue.
The whole point is that every bit helps. If half my friends are doing it, and half aren't, then it's still better than if no one is doing it
vocal shard
^
gloomy pine
loooooool
I search Shonzo
and 150 messages from a @rigid crescent and a @median basalt
Complaining for 6 months 
jesus christ guys
rigid crescent
23 results for me, 21 from rokk 🤔
Honestly though it's just a name that comes up when the topic of unoptimized avatars do. Larens is another off the top of my head
gloomy pine
How can you hate someone so much haha
rigid crescent
I don't hate him? wat?
ruby burrow
You don't need to play desktop mode to play around with car or bike avatars. Just put your normal avatar on top. https://i.imgur.com/4KtNCUH.png
rigid crescent
As I said ,when unoptimized avatar worlds were a topic, which happens a lot, his name pops up because that's what it was. I don't hate him lol
gloomy pine
Just saw Shonzo tweet, and you have 3 messages there as well lul, chill out
Think he is fixing his avatars now tho
VRChat doesn't want dynamic bones or jiggle it seems D:
rigid crescent
Nope
See, you're one of the poorly informed.
I don't hate him, I just don't like that he knowingly skirted the rules for so long and is upset he was punished for it. Jiggle is fine. DB is fine. The limit is 50 transforms per public world avatar.
gloomy pine
He is just lazy heh
rigid crescent
Yeah most people are. It's hard work fixing your old avatars.
neon vine
anyone having avatar loading issues?
rigid crescent
But it's not hard doing newer ones correctly.
neon vine
its not my internet. hmm
rigid crescent
It's his actions I've got issues with, and how uninformed users are. I only called him out and corrected people who seemed to be confused about what the issue even was.
gloomy pine
The whole thing with not updating the world was because he uploaded those 40 pokemon looking avatars?? and then slowly just replaced da blueprints, while also not needing to take down the world until it got reapproved and stuffs
He has deleted like 20 of the really shitty avatars that were old, and he is slowly deleting dynamic bones on the select few he wants to keeeep
rigid crescent
Basically what he would do is upload over old blueprint IDs to avoid re-publishing his world because he knew it wouldn't be accepted. We were told by numerous mods and dev team members and Tupper that this was against the rules and to report it so it could be dealt with. Other users like Mitch Murder, Yuumi, I think Subcom, Rust, etc all fixed their problem avatars or uploaded new ones and their worlds are published just fine. The ones that didn't were removed.
But the issue was that he wasn't fixing avatars at the time, which Tupper said was actually OK, he was continuously uploading bad ones by overwriting IDs. If they didn't punish anyone for this it'd be another issue, but plenty others got removed so he shouldn't be an exception just because he's popular.
But it's good he's fixing his stuff. It's just that he's been cheating the system so long it's hard to feel bad when he's known since at least November.
vocal shard
@rigid crescent always complains but never gives us his optimized prefabs
rigid crescent
Why would I give you my personal avatar? 🤔
vocal shard
What
vocal shard
I dont want that
rigid crescent
That's good, i think he adds too much jiggle but i've seen worse
it's not bad but not for me tbh
rigid crescent
? if you put your head on it you're adding more materials tho
ruby burrow
It's pretty hard to have an unoptimized base though. ._.
gloomy pine
@rigid crescent it's not like he was "huehue ima upload these 40 placeholders so my world will never get taken down", but more like "fuck it dooood, they'll just take it down at some point if something is wrong and I'll have to fix da stuff den. These 40 blueprints will make it way faster to upload"
rigid crescent
No one expects perfection, we expect effort lol
gloomy pine
Making them look good is one thing, optimization wayyy other thing, neither me nor Shonzo have done much in that field yet 
ruby burrow
Generally any body is going to be one material for the skin, and sometimes they'll use another for finger nails. The bones are only going to have the bare skeleton since there's no clothes.
rigid crescent
Eh, plenty of people have changed their mind Kuro, so the informing has helped.
vocal shard
No you're wrong
gloomy pine
I did remove 30 materials from my avatar yay
rigid crescent
Well no, because he kept uploading bad avatars over the IDs. If he was ONLY uploading good avatars over IDs then that's ok and not even against the rules, but it's not what he did.
ruby burrow
So to have an optimised base you just combine the two sole materials and there you go.
median basalt
@gloomy pine I don't "hate" Shonzo or anyone
vocal shard
Yea
ruby burrow
A base is a nude body ready to be clothed.
gloomy pine
Does cloth still crash people if it if disabled at a scene load? I memeber that crashing servers in 5.6 or something
median basalt
But Shonzo and Larens are the most prominent examples of badly optimized avatars, so they come up in discussions very often whenever the topic is about that
rigid crescent
I think they fixed that, Draka
median basalt
Cloth shouldn't crash any longer
gloomy pine
owo
rigid crescent
It used to crash you before you even could swap to it and if you already swapped to it you were screwed lol
Kuro if I give you my "optimized base" I'm giving you my personal avatars lol
ruby burrow
Seriously Kuro?
rigid crescent
Anyone creative or skilled enough to upload their own avatar has the skill needed to optimize.
cold quiver
theres a difference between unoptimized avatars and exceptionally unoptimized avatars lol
rigid crescent
That absolutely true too.
cold quiver
how the heck you reach 4k dynamic bone collisions i have no idea
but that is exceedingly unnecessary
median basalt
If you want an optimized base, take any model and use the material combiner ez
vocal shard
Yea but everyone is lazy both new and experienced
median basalt
I like how I called out some people on their lack of optimization, and their response was to try and insult me over my taste
ruby burrow
It's not me or Mics or your job to optimise for everyone else. That's not how it works.
It's all of our jobs to optimise our own stuff, and to optimise anything we release to others.
That's how you contribute to a smoothly running game.
rigid crescent
I can honestly stand a couple hundred DB, maybe 1k collisions, but whne it gets to liek 5k with tons of colliders and shit then like why?
median basalt
As long as you're not "very poor" for any dynamic bone category I won't hold it against you
vocal shard
I've reached peak VR. Watching unusual memes on YouTube. On VRChat. While on my virtual computer.
rigid crescent
Everyone obviously isn't lazy, there's tons of worlds with optimized avatars. Literally every single new/updated avatar world has optimized avatars.
vocal shard
Make helmet avatar world then
median basalt
Also, not using dynamic bone is literally an easier and more optimized solution
vocal shard
not using db looks ugly
median basalt
If you're that lazy why not save yourself the effort and just not use Dynamic Bone at all?
rigid crescent
When has anyone ever said not to use dynamic bones at all?
vocal shard
median basalt
I agree that dynamic bone makes it look a ton better, I'm just saying that laziness is not an argument
rigid crescent
Except Tupper
I'm not saying don't use DB. I'm saying don't have thousands of collisions
median basalt
You don't need 5000 dynamic bone collision checks to make your model look good
rigid crescent
See, it's people like this that make people think optimized avatars look bad.
ruby burrow
Personally I've recently been doing the opposite. I've simply been too lazy to add the dy-bones to my most recent avatars. >_>
But I also have short hair, so it's less significant anyway.
rigid crescent
Are you saying Yuumi's avatars look bad?
vocal shard
Be a quad
median basalt
This is literally on par with the people saying "I need 200k polys or it looks bad"
cold quiver
A single avatar with dynamic bone collision in the thousands is basically costing as much as an entire room of avatars with medium-poor dynamic bone settings. Knowingly releasing such an avatar is just basically irresponsible on the authors part in my opinion.
gloomy pine
Think I should have suggested to Shonzo that he should have had different limits for public avatars, since way more people would be running around with them, compared to private commissions, but he just did the same work on both kinds 
rigid crescent
You realize there's people with i9s and 2080s that lag because of how its' written, right?
Are you saying Mitch Murder, Rust, etc avatars are all bad @vocal shard
Because they're optimized.
median basalt
"Just get a better PC!!!!" is not an argument
vocal shard
Mitch murder is ripped and unoptimized
gloomy pine
but anyway goodnight, hope you don't need to bring up Shonzo too much in the future when talking about unoptimized worlds 
rigid crescent
His avatars are optimized, they LITERALLY have to be to be uploaded...
median basalt
No it's okay, I'm bringing up Larens instead
modern sand
Can you guys not pile on on someone who obviously doesn't know better, please
vocal shard
Rusttv models are stolen and retextured mokey
gloomy pine
@rigid crescent @median basalt 
median basalt
Oh right, RustTV was the one who had models that looked similar to black n white space but were optimized.
I forgot the name initially
vocal shard
Mitch murder yoinks and rips vrca files
ruby burrow
It's kind of difficult not to "pile" when that person is deliberately going at everyone else.
vocal shard
Asking for proof are you that oblivious to everything
rigid crescent
"asking for proof why not just take my word" owo
modern sand
Also let's not start throwing wild accusations please
rigid crescent
The point is that every single avatar world that's been uploaded in the last 5 months contains optimized avatars.
And plenty of those worlds are popular with nice avatars.
vocal shard
Let me just ping every former LAS member to confirm if mitch muder is a ripper
heavy dawn
Is someone getting upset because avatars should be optimized again?
vocal shard
Yikes
median basalt
Mine took a weekend to optimize, dynamic bone was my biggest offender but I also had some older avatars that still had like 20 materials. Fortunately I had already started optimizing all of them
rigid crescent
Yeah, basically.
median basalt
Tupper was nice enough to run the optimization bot outside of regular requests for me and get my world up earlier once I fixed a final issue.
heavy dawn
I... don't see what Mitch ripping has to do with optimizing your models. I'd think if a ripper can do it then anyone can.
🤷
vocal shard
Just don't care if it's unoptimized if someones lagging they can hide your model that's the point of the safety system
ez
heavy dawn
Yeah that makes for a great experience hunh?
fair edge
jesus
rigid crescent
I don't expect people to use 0 dynamic bones. I don't expect them to not use colliders. I expect them to make some effort to optimize their avatars. That's it.
median basalt
Also, let's not forget that Shonzo literally DM'd me through this Discord to say "fuck you" to me.
rigid crescent
You can be optimized and still look good, there's plenty of people out there doing it. Every world updated in the last 5 months, in fact.
median basalt
It's not like I started anything
vocal shard
SOunds like a bunch of salt
fair edge
weak
vocal shard
Im not pinging them because youre not worth arguing with @rigid crescent
median basalt
I do hide unoptimized avatars, I end up having to hide like 10 larens models every evening. Kinda sucks.
Some don't know and some don't care
heavy dawn
^ this
rigid crescent
Look, like 100% on the real I'm not even saying this to insult you, but you're incredibly dumb. I don't even know how to say that without it sounding like im trying to rag on you.
But you don't know what you're talking about, and there seems to be a language barrier so that makes it a lot harder.
vocal shard
Dude imagine getting mad about someone elses work over a social game. on jah
heavy dawn
"Several people are typing"
ruby burrow
I'm kind of beyond words too, even sitting on the sidelines here. >_>
median basalt
If that work affects my experience then yeah
rigid crescent
We all know that you'll never change your mind Kuro, but there's plenty of people who care and want to learn and improve
fair edge
can i just say that we all need to grow up and move on from the conversation we are all smart enough to understand this is slowly getting out of hand
rigid crescent
But people like you spread misinformation and it really doesn't help.
heavy dawn
Your face is getting out of hand! 😆 💜
fair edge
and you are?
heavy dawn
joking: and you? 😄
vocal shard
@rigid crescent at least i am smarter than you will ever be
ruby burrow
"optimised clothed base prefab"
vocal shard
ruby burrow
Sure.
cold quiver
I love it when people can't counter argument and resort to personal insults
dark narwhal
I think its time to change convos
rigid crescent
I'm sure you're plenty smart in other avenues but you really don't know what you're talking about here : /
fair edge
yeah
heavy dawn
New convo: Doki is sweet
stone current
i floof
dark narwhal
New convos doki has left the discord
median basalt
reee
heavy dawn
sssh! That's your secret @stone current
rigid crescent
What am I uninformed about?
stone current
normies reee
rigid crescent
OK, so name something. Tell me something I'm blind to. What am I missing?
cold quiver
so hey guys they removed 7⃣ from the world stats page
pliant flame
I don't know why every time I play VRC, it takes me like 5-10+ mins to load into a world that's only like 50mb
cold quiver
we should protest to get it back i miss 7⃣ already
neon flume
How will we know what the world's 7⃣ is anymore?
vocal shard
Hey Kuro, I probably wouldn't be the one talking here, especially if I'm the one spouting shit I clearly don't know about
stone current
stanky wifi
rigid crescent
not the 7⃣ ;-;
vocal shard
o 7⃣
rigid crescent
Kuro if there's something I'm misinformed about or not understanding, I'd love for you to tell me. I'm all for sharing info.
neon flume
Someone needs to make a canny and request that they add the 7⃣ back. That's very crucial information that the playerbase should know about a world.
heavy dawn
is not familiar with the 7⃣
vocal shard
Ithe irony
dark narwhal
cold quiver
stone current
woof woof
rigid crescent
So, I'm uninformed, and me being informed would only help people like me and others learn, but you can't tell me what I'm uninformed about?...You realize how backward that sounds, yeah?
ruby burrow
Kuro, you've been making this a targeted personal thing since the start. Don't act like Mic started anything here.
https://gyazo.com/d22e163a0d7627df33789c02820f990b
median basalt
"You're uninformed but I'm not informed enough to tell you what you're uninformed about." Epic logic
rigid crescent
What part of anything I've said was wrong? I'd genuinely like to know...
stone current
*long and thotful mesage*
post a dogo gif
"FLOOOOOF"
rigid crescent
Actually there's already a lot of optimization guides on Youtube. No need to write one. Videos are easier for people to follow.
heavy dawn
That does seem to be your MO haha
median basalt
We could use more dynamic bone optimization guides, particularly for short hair, long hair, long skirts and long dresses.
heavy dawn
Sorry I meant Wunder
ruby burrow
A keyboard would probably be helpful for making a guide. ._.
vocal shard
Contribute nothing and just cry all day is all you do
Hey Kuro, I'd reccomend that you stop talking about yourself and take off your blinders
median basalt
We have like 5 videos "hey guys, you can put 2 bones in short skirts or weight paint it to the legs, works great I swear"
vocal shard
Since that's exactly what you fucking do, thanks for saving me effort
fair edge
ive been trying to say this is all getting way out of hand just because someone is a bit mad and another person it doesn't mean you have to be rude and just hurtful to that person its kind of sad if you don't mind me saying its disappointing to know people are acting in such a how can i put this lightly? not correct at all morally and id appreciate it if we could please move on from such a topic
rigid crescent
"Merge your bones. Use fewer dynamic bone transforms. Atlas your avatar and particle's materials. Your avatar is now fairly optimized."
median basalt
Particle material atlasing? 🤔
I mean it's possible but I think particle systems are pretty much guaranteed to be 1 drawcall, no more and no less
rigid crescent
That's moreso for worlds really
stone current
make a shader that conglomerate every other shader but split by texture
median basalt
Eww
stone current
hue
ruby burrow
Ever tried adding a fur shader to an animated gif particle Rokk? :v
rigid crescent
But on paper it makes it look better if you only care about your ingame arnk lol
median basalt
I mean, in my quest for optimization I devised a way to get four toon ramps on one material.
I still use that
rigid crescent
:0
median basalt
Uses mask textures to define what goes where
rigid crescent
I use spheremaps a lot, which would usually result in a few extra materials when used a lot, but my friend recently set up her shader so you can atlas the spheremaps as well
median basalt
Oh yeah, that one
ruby burrow
@fair edge We'd be able to move on if Kuro wasn't specifically targeting people and baiting with misinformation.
stone current
u can use 256^4 toon ramps if u got 1 texture
median basalt
The only downside is that it uses a shader keyword for the sphere stuff
rigid crescent
Yeah lemme check, I know a few here are stickied
median basalt
So if other people are using garbo shaders and take all your keywords it looks completely white instead
I made an atlasing guide
I intend to make an addon to simplify manual atlasing even further because I believe it's the way to go.
Such as a button to bake all the normal maps
fair edge
god im just going to mute this room
rigid crescent
They're Pinned in #avatar-optimization
stone current
i make a hug
vocal shard
You dont post them or send to anyone so dont cry
rigid crescent
I never said I made the guide. I said the guides exist.
median basalt
Or a button to resize UV's based on texture size
rigid crescent
LOL I post them all the time
ruby burrow
Rokk has put considerable hours into helping people out on this board. He's practically a real time 1 to 1 guide half the time.
rigid crescent
Once today, 2 times yesterday
once thursday
once on tuesday
and they're readily available and pinned in #avatar-optimization
vocal shard
median basalt
Which one?
vocal shard
Kuro, you're the one bullshitting and falling back to petty points since you can't hold an argument
Stop being hypocritical
ruby burrow
I downloaded one just last week Kuro...
median basalt
I link my blinking prefab here a lot, same with the fixed world objects
vocal shard
Lemme call you out for who you are
median basalt
Wanna see my github?
rigid crescent
He's gonna backpedal isn't he?
median basalt
You may be interested in this one: https://github.com/HugoZink/UnityTriangleQuadProjection
vocal shard
Wanna see original content? I'll look anywhere besides what you've made KURO and it'll be original
median basalt
A recent shader project of mine
rigid crescent
When people ask for guides, I supply them. When people ask for help in #avatar-optimization, lots of people reply, sometimes I do if it's something I can help them with but people are pretty quick in that channel.
vocal shard
who cares about optimizing db when you can have a 1.5 million polygon model
ruby burrow
May as well link it. Lets see what lame response comes. >_>
median basalt
I don't post blinking prefabs on github because they don't contain any code.
median basalt
I'm not gonna make a Github repo for a unity package
rigid crescent
Usually polycount isn't as bad as DB can be, Bully.
median basalt
I just share the prefab around in a bunch of Discords I'm in, sorry that you're not cool enough to be in any of them. 👉 😎 👉
vocal shard
tell that to a 355 million poly model buddy
@median basalt yikes
Aww, wittle Kuwo can't rip more shit so he's gonna complain waa waaa
rigid crescent
Yeah, those are also against the rules? What's your point?
median basalt
Workshop members only
Or anyone cool enough to be in uh
The cats discord for example, where I also post em
fair edge
Jesus lord Christ almighty
vocal shard
I can go further, and I will
rigid crescent
Why share prefabs for optimized bases when you can help people learn how to make their own? Teach a man to fish, etc etc
ruby burrow
"optimization prefabs"
ffs... ¬_¬
median basalt
If you want an optimized base, get a len model and remove the hair
fair edge
can we get a mod in here please?
vocal shard
Why bother using brain cells when you can steal them 4Head
ruby burrow
What is that even supposed to mean?
rigid crescent
You wanna do a @ chatmod, Daitenshi
vocal shard
Chill out.
fair edge
bruh
vocal shard
Im being targeted
rigid crescent
No one's bullying you, we're responding to your questions partner
vocal shard
on jah bro
median basalt
Here's an optimization prefab for you: https://vrcat.club/threads/material-combiner-blender-addon-2-0-3-2.2255/
vocal shard
Ohh wow, you gonna tell me that you're gonna rise up?
fair edge
on jah bro
median basalt
I have another optimization prefab, it's called "Remove component" and it's under the dynamic bone gear icon
vocal shard
ON JAH BRO
fair edge
ON JAH BRO
ruby burrow
Lol.
fair edge
on jah bruh
median basalt
Wow, it's really hard to role ping these days
fair edge
orb morb jarb bruh
vocal shard
Take it to a DM toxies
median basalt
I'm not gonna be the one to ping anyway
vocal shard
😎
fair edge
on jah bruh
vocal shard
no haj orb
fair edge
on jah
ruby burrow
If it were DMs, it'd be much easier to ignore him.
rigid crescent
Literally all anyone wants is for people to actually learn. If they knew optimization didn't mean decimate to 1000 polys, pull all your hair out, and only wear pants then they'd understand
fair edge
oh jah brug
median basalt
Wearing pants is a good solution though
fair edge
on jah on jah
ornate finch
childish
median basalt
My two most recent pants-wearing models are 24 dynamic bones and 0 colliders without any extra work by me
vocal shard
Just Jah with us
rigid crescent
I actually did a pants model recently, like 2 weeks ago
vocal shard
Yeah cuties.
Stop being toxies
fair edge
on juan bro
vocal shard
fair edge
ruby burrow
Pants is easy mode yeah, but not remotely a requirement or anything.
vocal shard
P lease
rigid crescent
I ended up going with short hair on it for once so i actually didn't have any DB, it's my first 0-transform model lol
vocal shard
On JAH bro.
fair edge
on jean burh
fair edge
on Michel Johnson bruh
median basalt
Pretty much my only zero transform model is a Y Bot edit
vocal shard
On Jason bro
ruby burrow
This is what an excellent rated avatar looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u1NBstIcy8
rigid crescent
It's hair from an old one i used for a bit when i was figuring out syn's shader
vocal shard
on my guy bra
rigid crescent
oh no that video is gonna set kai off lol
fair edge
on gah bruh
rigid crescent
and i think rokk
fair edge
on jearry bruh
ruby burrow
Oh? Did I do something wrong? xD
fair edge
on fitz bruh
median basalt
I mean that skirt looks decent but it's "too easy".
rigid crescent
nah i just know it gets a lot of hate because it's not really a guide, just an exhibition of how it looks, they kinda skim the process. i think kareeda did one for that, but i usually never merge to thighs
vocal shard
Rip models on Jah
fair edge
on piterpiterpatermatterlatter bruh
median basalt
They always use super short skirts as examples on how to weight paint something to either the legs or to a single bone
Never the hard ones like knee-length skirts or dresses
fair edge
rip models on jah bruh
vocal shard
aight can we cut the "jah" shit tho
rigid crescent
I know in Kareeda's he uses a touhou in a long kemono but i haven't actually seen the avatar ingame so i dont know how it turns out, but it explains it all pretty well
fair edge
bruh naw
ruby burrow
Also, damned Youtube. Why'd they have to remove the check box to share a vid without linking the entire playlist. Still can, just more tedious to do so now.
vocal shard
ON JAH?
rigid crescent
just <@&385550615012573186> and they'll disappear lol
fair edge
on jah!
rigid crescent
It's a good premise but only works with those tiny skirts, basically
median basalt
@rigid crescent oh, that might be Ran Yakumo. I'll have to test it out since that would be perfect
vocal shard
@rigid crescent ❤
rigid crescent
No it was Yuugi
median basalt
Ah
vocal shard
median basalt
Even better since I use those skirts more often
fair edge
on jahovas witness bruh
ruby burrow
Oh right, just that then. Yeah, it's not as ideal for longer skirts. A bit more of a guide would be nice.
rigid crescent
median basalt
Oh that's cool, that's actually a good example
rigid crescent
https://youtu.be/hqobredT-sc that's the one i think
ruby burrow
@fair edge @vocal shard What are you two actually on about now? You've lost me. '-'
fair edge
on
fair edge
bruh
stray quartz
Wat happened??
fair edge
take it to the DMs**
ruby burrow
Take what to DMs? We're trying to have a normal conversation here and you're spamming up the place.
vast tulip
?!
covert linden
Take ur spam to dms
fair edge
you mad on jah?
ruby burrow
<@&385550615012573186> Can we get some help here? Obnoxious amounts of spam going on.
fair edge
bruh.
vocal shard
You're a cutie Ash 😘
stray quartz
Yea u guys can cut it out thanks
fair edge
why you so mad.
vague hemlock
fair edge
its just on jah bro
rigid crescent
i haven't actually seen the avatar he did ingame but its in the airship im prtty sure
vast tulip
I read up quite a bit and I didnt really see anything
fair edge
why you mad?
median basalt
Ooh, that's a really nice guide
rigid crescent
oh they're spamming like the same few messages lol
vocal shard
On Jah bro?
stray quartz
Nvm he gone
median basalt
Can even use the original bones and not redo the weights. I like how he did the blur but the fact that he works with auto normalize off is somewhat spookening
vocal shard
Yikes. My poor friend.
median basalt
Or how he also paints right over the shoulders and then fixes it, I would personally isolate the hair first
rigid crescent
yeah this is one of the earlier guides, i've seen him do it on stram every so often when im hanging out thre
vocal shard
F
median basalt
He seems really into this stuff, which is good
ruby burrow
That's one of the scary things about blender for a nub like me. The constant nagging feeling that I'm doing everything the wrong, slow and difficult way, but not knowing better.
rigid crescent
he's pretty much done it with all different lengths of skirts though if you skim through some VODs
median basalt
Not sure why it has dislikes
vocal shard
ruby burrow
Oh feck. He's back. >_>
median basalt
@vocal shard he charges for most of his prefabs until he can no longer milk them anymore
You see, I think charging for systems is extremely scummy
ruby burrow
I want to block him, but don't want to be trying to talk later confused about what people are responding to.
median basalt
Especially since his newest packages are just based off Rero's work
median basalt
Also a little too close to Little Mouse for me
vocal shard
I'm sooo scarrrrreedddd
rigid crescent
It sucks there's a language barrier or he might better understand
fair edge
okay
median basalt
Straight up called Filn's work "trash" even though the entirety of subcom is based off Filn's work
distant spear
any of yall good with unity?:)
rigid crescent
ooooof really?
vocal shard
little mouse is racist
fair edge
so like yall be tripping
vocal shard
barely speaks english
calls someone else racist
Are you sure you mean what you say
median basalt
Anyway, the guy you posted Kuro was charging for "drop bed" which is a world particle with a shader, something that I was freely sharing at the same time for my knives
median basalt
He still is, he has a store up and everything. He keeps moving so I dunno where he is now