vrchat-general-2

[stone current]

i not rly c wat vive have 2 offer that better than rift

so keeping mine unless knuckle

[hardy seal]

i want the knuckles those just seem awesome

[vocal shard]

Everyone has different needs from vr. All 3 major players have people who prefer them over others

[velvet gull]

From oculus to vive @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

Ah, neat ^^

[velvet gull]

@stone current full body, better tracking, etc

[stone current]

the tracking is pretty good

but u can mix oculus and vive tracker for apparently less price

just bc the headset and controller etc kit cheaper

[velvet gull]

The tracking of the vive base stations and the oculus sensors screw each other up

[vocal shard]

It's more expensive to mix vive and rift than full vive because you need to buy the base stations too for mixed

You can solve that sensor interference with the sync cable I've heard tho

[velvet gull]

The vive trackers are stupid overpriced though

Like, ridiculously stupidly overpriced

[vocal shard]

Because they can

[velvet gull]

Because scam artists

[vocal shard]

But, i don't think they expect people to buy 3 at a time. If it was for just one as it was intended, it's reasonable i guess

[stone current]

kinect tracking decent for forward facing tracking

not that great but its cheap and ok especially if pointed up

it wat i use

[velvet gull]

Imma just go with the vive, despite the hella short battery life

[stone current]

of the tracker or wireless adapter thing

[vocal shard]

Tracker v2 battery is about 3 hours i think

[velvet gull]

Yikes

[stone current]

unless ur some crazy dude who

strap even the battery packs 2 themselves

[vocal shard]

I'm not sure though. I heard some say that. Others 6 hours.. i honestly can't say by experience

[hasty wedge]

v2 is like 4h and v1 is 6hish

cAuSe v2 iS a dOwn GRaDe

[dry reef]

does anyone know where to get a bunch of premade models for vrchat/unity?

[velvet gull]

Deviantart has plenty of rigged/game ready models

Just have to optimise and import them

[dry reef]

ohh cool

what about premade unitypackages?

[velvet gull]

Don't believe many of those exist

[rigid crescent]

it's because it's 2.0 tech on 1.0 lighthouses

Also yes, they exist. they've existed for a while lol

If you use 2.0 trackers on 2.0 lighthouses, they should last a lot longer

[willow flume]

what version of unity do i need to upload avatars

[velvet gull]

2017.15.f1

[dry reef]

oh, i figured there would have been some public repository or something

[rigid crescent]

with a link that can get you banned lol

[snow zodiac]

[rigid crescent]

[stone current]

[vocal shard]

spent hours and hours making an avatar but the build control panel in VR SDK wont let me publish. says avatar is a humanoid but it must have head, feet and leg bones specified

already have apply root motion unchecked

[devout portal]

I need help setting up full body

[umbral oracle]

#full-body-tracking good place to check out. Describe in that channel what system you have, what trackers, what you have tried already

[dapper stump]

V2 is 6 hours V1 is 8

[iron thunder]

If anyone knows Bot Jesus tell him Meathamski knows he took his stolen son to the strip club and he doesn't approve.

[vocal shard]

can someone help me

[weary bison]

if you're having issues logging in, try the steps in #vrchat-support before emailing [e-mail]

[vocal shard]

Ive done both I just wanna play uwu the only reason i bought a vive was to play vrchat now i cant play it

[weary bison]

are you able to log in via the website?

[vocal shard]

yea

ive even changed launch location nothing

[weary bison]

then yeah, see what you get back from support

being unable to cancel is something I don't see come up often

[vocal shard]

they just told me to wait till the next update basically

[weary bison]

could also give open beta a try

[queen mango]

What version of Unity do you have?

[vocal shard]

the latest version

[queen mango]

Not Unity 2017.4.15f1?

[vocal shard]

2018.3.4f1

[queen mango]

Oof.. VRChat is currently on 2017.4.15f1.
I suggest you download that SDK version from the VRChat website

[subtle prawn]

What does Unity have to do with not being able to get on vrchat?

[queen mango]

Certain stuff may not work properly when on a build later than the game's build

[subtle prawn]

...

[vocal shard]

even the cancel button?

[queen mango]

Cancel button?

[subtle prawn]

Tasty is having login issues, looped login loading

[vocal shard]

imma commit lifen't

[subtle prawn]

Don't pls 😦

[vocal shard]

Anyone know why my avatar wont upload? There are no errors but its stuck on processing upload and it keeps flashing. I tried a vpn and everything and yes im on the right unity with the right sdk

Try the beta. See if that works. If it does, the next update will be fixed for ya tasty

Me?

[subtle prawn]

Tasty

[vocal shard]

Oh

[subtle prawn]

For you, have you turned off Future proofing before uploading? It maybe in the tab you sign in on. I can't remember exactly

[vocal shard]

Yes

[subtle prawn]

[vocal shard]

thonk

Idk what to do

Does anyone know

[stray jackal]

i think i heard this problem before

something about the pause/play buttons may be the fix but ive got no clue what it exactly was

[vocal shard]

uh no

Thats a really old issue

welp unity wasnt my problem

how do i download the beta

wait can some sign into my account and then log out ?

[rigid crescent]

you definitely dont want that

[queen mango]

I think you can download the open beta by right-clicking on "VRChat" in your Steam Library tab
Then, choose "Properties". This'll open another tab containing general info, updates, local files, and betas (which you'll want to go to)

There will be an option to opt into Open Beta.

[queen mango]

Dude no

[raven mulch]

[queen mango]

That was one hell of a lag episode there

[hollow umbra]

How come amazon have mixed review

For Kinect

[tiny ginkgo]

It's because it's s very mixed experience

[hollow umbra]

I noticed that the 5 star ratings are from pc users who uses it for better stuff like tracking and 3D scanning. While the lower rating are from angry parents who bought it for their kids Xbox

[short obsidian]

Does anyone know the world where the static penguin avatar is located?

[vocal shard]

That's pretty accurate realshofu.... It's cool as a 3d model scanning device.... As a gaming controller... Meh

[hollow umbra]

I don’t count “just dance” games as actual games

[tiny ginkgo]

Why not?

[hollow umbra]

Seems like a normie version of Wii sports

Except Wii sports is competitive and enjoyable to watch

[tiny ginkgo]

Still games

[hollow umbra]

When a game makes you healthy, it’s no longer a game

That’s why I put TV goggles everyday directly in my eyes

[tiny ginkgo]

I... I see

[umbral reef]

Guess vr has almost no games then

[tiny ginkgo]

Well VR has helped me with flexibility

[hollow umbra]

With the cost of sanity and sight

[short obsidian]

Does anyone know where I can get the Penguin Sicko Mode Model?

[hollow umbra]

My friend made that one, you may not be able to catch him since he only play on private friends world

[faint furnace]

hi

[vocal shard]

Hi

[subtle prawn]

[queen mango]

Hello there

[bright needle]

Hello

[queen mango]

Hi ‾w‾

[vestal iris]

Hello comrades!

[lapis nebula]

Morning all

[queen mango]

G'morning

‾w‾

[vocal shard]

Anyone know why i cant upload this model there are no erros and future proofing is off but when i go to upload it stays stuck at processing upload but doesnt go and it keeps flashing

Im on the right unity and im using the right sdk

?

[glossy wharf]

@vocal shard make sure your unity isnt paused at the top after you hit the upload button.

[vocal shard]

It isnt @glossy wharf

[glossy wharf]

check console for errors, reinstall sdk, check if ur on the right unity version

[vocal shard]

I uploaded just fine on the same project its just that this avatar wont upload and idk why

@glossy wharf

[glossy wharf]

Do what i said.

[plush osprey]

hello

[queen mango]

Welcome to the server ‾w‾

[vocal shard]

where do i go to go report something from VRchat

[still lark]

What do you mean?

[vocal shard]

my account has been compromised and i wanna report that

[still lark]

Email support

[vocal shard]

thnx

Can someone send me the direct download to a sdk cause the website wont ever work for me

[still lark]

https://vrchat.com/download/sdk

😏

[vocal shard]

Thanks

[stoic halo]

my friend managed to find all 50 coins in verhack

right after i went to bed smh

[rigid crescent]

That's actually impressive

[stoic halo]

i stopped at 43

dont know what the last ones were

[vocal shard]

Moo

[lapis nebula]

Okay, who let the herd in ?

[vocal shard]

:3

[jaunty plover]

vrchat has changed my life

[stoic halo]

its helped me a bit with social anxiety

[queen mango]

VRChat helped me a lot with social anxiety back when I started out

[polar bone]

Vrchat gave me something to do in my free time and some new online friends

[neat jacinth]

May using non optimised avatars be reason of not getting "New User" rank?

I'm playing VRC for 28 hours and... still nothing happend.
I can't say that I really need an upload possibility, 'cuz I'm not into Unity yet. It's just interesting on how VRC decides to increase or not your rank.

[rigid crescent]

no

[median basalt]

@neat jacinth make sure you're on a VRChat account, not Steam or Oculus

Using a very unoptimized avatar, or an avatar with malicious effects can actually prevent you from getting new user though

Because people will be blocking or even kicking you

[jaunty plover]

I started streaming VRC last week and it's been insane. I've had 5 people DM me and say they spoke on a mic in front of people for the first time because my friends made them comfortable enough to do so. I feel like we're healing the world. Holy crap. It's like everything IRC wanted to be

[long tundra]

that sounds nice

[neat jacinth]

@median basalt I have both VRC and Steam accounts. But I use only second.

[median basalt]

Steam and Oculus accounts cannot go any higher than visitor. @neat jacinth

If you are using your Steam account, that is why you're not ranking up obviously

Time to merge it into your main VRChat account

[lapis nebula]

@jaunty plover well done, anything that puts vrchat in a good light gets a thumbs up from me

[neat jacinth]

@median basalt thank you! <3

[jaunty plover]

I've brought 5 other streamers aboard so far, and at one point was the #5 channel by views in the category. My goal is to make VRChat a thing that's known for positivity and kindness. BY FORCE. CRITICAL MASS!! thanks kry <3

[neat jacinth]

Also... where I should report bugs?
To have more privacy in VR, I have resized VRChat window to minimum. But this affected glowing around objects. Now it's more "pixelated"

[rough pulsar]

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports @neat jacinth

[lapis nebula]

@jaunty plover basically the same goal as myself

Howdy @rough pulsar I saw you in vrchat the other day, tried to pop in to say hello, but, you must have been busy

[neat jacinth]

@rough pulsar thank you too :3

[lapis nebula]

saw Gunter too, but, he is a tough guy to pin down

[rough pulsar]

I vaguely remember seeing a notification on sunday but I was testing some stuff out I think

[lapis nebula]

no probs, I understand, I try not to bother people unduly, but, just wanted to see how things was going

[stoic halo]

VrChat is a saver tbh

[lapis nebula]

I consider it a chat room on steroids

it winds me up when people call it a game

[stoic halo]

it makes people be less socially anxious and stuff

[stone current]

minecraft servers with more polygons

[stoic halo]

i mean i still call it a game

[lapis nebula]

to me it is a social enviroment

[stoic halo]

cause you have to play it.

[median basalt]

Well it's still a game

[stone current]

🐶

[median basalt]

You can't really start gatekeeping what it is or isn't, considering the vast amounts of game worlds out there now. Ever tried Luxerion World?

[rough pulsar]

Except you don't? VRChat has games in it but it of itself isn't one

[lapis nebula]

tried it, walked through the train, got bored

[median basalt]

I still consider it a "game"

[stone current]

i walk into public places and wave of headpats for be fluff

xd

[lapis nebula]

everyone is entitled to call it whatever they wish to call it, just saying, me personally, I call it a social enviroment, or a chat room evolved

[jaunty plover]

IRC2.0 lol

[lapis nebula]

pretty much, yeah

[jaunty plover]

found your channel got you a follow new fren <3 <3

[lapis nebula]

I remember when chat rooms was like, before java, you posted, waited, then read the reply, then posted, waited and so on

[jaunty plover]

yes exactly. now it's a revolution

[lapis nebula]

I doubt many of the people in here remember a time before the internet, lol

[stoic halo]

meet me on gaiaonline

miss me with that.

i remember what its like without internet because i use to be too poor for it

[lapis nebula]

remember ICQ, now that was fun

[quiet prawn]

you may be surprised at the age range here

[neat jacinth]

woah, I got an email instanly after merge.
Thank you guys ^_^

[jaunty plover]

ICQ baby oldschool to the core

[quiet prawn]

because ICQ numbers weren't annoyingly long at all

[jaunty plover]

I just did like 10 hours of VRC and it's 7 am and I haven't slept, be back later love you all

[stoic halo]

mood

[lapis nebula]

@quiet prawn I actually used to be on the vrchat chat when it was on Skype before we moved to discord, so, been around so long I have pretty much taken root, lol

[stoic halo]

who was here before knuckles and remember how dead everything kinda was

[lapis nebula]

Me

[quiet prawn]

what does that have to do with anything I said?

[stoic halo]

miss the old hub

[neat jacinth]

One of my friends still using ICQ...
And many geeks use IRC.

[jaunty plover]

twitch chat uses IRC and almost no one knows it

[lapis nebula]

@quiet prawn nothing, was just saying, sorry

I went a little off track

[jaunty plover]

you can log into your twitch chat using an IRC client if you look it up, used for some bots

[stoic halo]

ICQ is also available on mobile iirc

[neat jacinth]

I remember I have launched VRChat before these memes, but forgot about it, until I got an HMD.

[stoic halo]

i remember being desktop before the memes

quitting during knuckles

coming back a few months later

[jaunty plover]

there should be a streamer role here to make it easier to find other awesome content producers q_q

[quiet prawn]

yes, no.

[lapis nebula]

I started with vrchat December 2015, when the wife bought me a DK2, found it while searching for stuff to play around with, there wasn't many things for Oculus back then, no steamvr, no oculus app, nothing

[stoic halo]

lol i would rather not have a streamer role either

[quiet prawn]

There are plenty of other discords for that.

[stoic halo]

because inb4 entitlement

[jaunty plover]

oof, not those streamers, the friendly ones

the ones who still act like we're all just people lol

met a lot of them on VRC so far

[stoic halo]

the only time i ever stream is by accident or im drunk.

[jaunty plover]

it's been kind of like a second renaissance for me

[lapis nebula]

@jaunty plover have you seen any of my streams ?

[jaunty plover]

no I just met you XD and I just got on VRC and started networking like, a week ago

I've met some amazing performers that all ended up being streamers though holy crap

[stoic halo]

i was about to ask what networking had to do with this

[jaunty plover]

so friendly too, literally in 35 hours I've only met one dickhead

[lapis nebula]

well, if you are ever on vrchat and want to chat, your more than welcome to send me a friend request and come and say hello

[stoic halo]

then i realized you mean like socially.

[jaunty plover]

plenty of trolls but that's different they're 10 they have time to mature

networking is a pretentious streamer buzzword for making friends XD

sorry I can't help it I've been conditioned

will do kry

[lapis nebula]

my goal on vrchat is to socialise, not create content, although, I have been trying to learn how to create worlds, but, I struggle to get my head around the complex stuff

[stoic halo]

networking is a word for knowing people and stuff ik.

i read it as the tech side.

and it made me so confused

[jaunty plover]

yea haha not so much of that, VRC has crashed a lot if that counts

so I guess as far as the computer meaning of networking I've done some anti-networking

at one point both VRC and OBS crashed at the same time

[stoic halo]

i need to make a new world. my current one is just a hangout for the squad

[jaunty plover]

12/10 would do it again

[lapis nebula]

just waiting on this trailer to upload, then, it's headset on time

[neat jacinth]

socialization is a problem for me.
English isn't my native language, so when I met English users, I say them hello, wave hand and... that's all. I don't know what to talk about.
That happens to me IRL also.

[stoic halo]

just do what i do. kinda scream at them randomly

[jaunty plover]

btw if you go into discord user settings, under connections, connect your discord to twitch and turn on streamer mode when you go live and it'll be easier for friendly ppl to find your stream from discords you're in

[stoic halo]

it seems to work so far

[lapis nebula]

I wondered why I kept getting "Streamer Mode" at the top when I streamed, lol

[stoic halo]

cause discord read ur ram and saw ur streaming

[jaunty plover]

I'm in this weird place right now, I've been mentally calling it the 20-40 valley, where I have enough viewers to actually get smaller streamers follows by shouting them out in my chat, but am not big enough for any of them to know who I am
so talking about streams inside VRC is a little awkward bc you can come across as self promoting when you're literally just asking for ppl's links to support them bc support from awesome ppl is the only way I got here

[neat jacinth]

I don't stream, but that "Streamer Mode" keeps turning on automatically.

Disabled it finally. :3

[stoic halo]

it turns on when you open obs.

[median basalt]

Most streamers in this game are people I try to avoid tbh

[neat jacinth]

Maybe. I use obs to record only. \

[stoic halo]

same rokk

theyre super fake and annoying

[median basalt]

I had some guy called Lolathon join on a Friends+ instance I was in like two days ago

One mere minute later, a horde of people came crashing down upon us, like 25 people

Can't imagine living like that tbh

[lapis nebula]

@jaunty plover well, tbh, I do have a t shirt on my avatar stating that people are live on twitch and on the back where they can go to watch it, because, two reasons, one, if people don't want to be on a stream, they have the option to walk away and I will respect that decision, and two, if people do want to be on the stream and want to see it themselves, they can use the information I am displaying

[median basalt]

A day before the trust system came out I developed a shader that applies a "blur" effect to me when seen through stream cameras lol

Thought it was funny for a goof

[jaunty plover]

imho, the good ones you can't tell are streaming and then find out after hanging out with them for a bit @median basalt
or they have their link on their avatar.. I'm a little private about the fact bc there's a certain group of people who react to finding out someone is streaming in some very.... uhhh...... not so positive ways

[still lark]

@median basalt Did you use the frustum for that or?

[jaunty plover]

including but not limiting to some script kiddy client going around you can use to deliberately crash peoples' game which usually is when I stop streaming a game until they get their shit together netcode wise but VRC is so addictive I can't walk away

[still lark]

Can't think of any ways other than that atm.

[median basalt]

@still lark well unfortunately, every single readable parameter in stream cameras is completely indistinguishable from a desktop view

[stoic halo]

i haven't met a single streamer i couldn't tell was streaming

[still lark]

Oof

[median basalt]

Including the fov, clip planes etc

So I came up with something that I'm still pretty proud of

I check if the view is tilted on the Z axis

Desktop users can't do that

But it's bound to happen as soon as you grab your camera

[jaunty plover]

I just run around making friends with random strangers and if they're kind I ask if any of them have a twitch or youtube I can follow
then if someone asks I admit I'm live

[still lark]

Lmao, that's great.

[median basalt]

Worst case scenario, a desktop user sits in a slightly tilted VRC_Station and they see me a little bit blurry

[jaunty plover]

I feel like shallow self-promotion doesn't actually get you anything so I try to avoid it at all costs

making friends is the secret metagame to twitch, who knew, just act like a person

[median basalt]

I also check for fov, but for some reason the "follow" mode of the camera either makes the Z axis 0 or changes fov

[stoic halo]

one streamer was flaunting how she sells her snapchat nudes through donations on twitch lol

[median basalt]

I can't check it anymore because no local test world scripts

[stoic halo]

annoying.

[quiet prawn]

Always assume you're being recorded on VRChat.

[median basalt]

@stoic halo #thotaudit time

[lapis nebula]

@jaunty plover it seems to have helped me, I have had a lot of people see my t shirt and go "oooh, are you streaming ?" then they check the back and end up watching

[stoic halo]

idc if im recorded tbh

[jaunty plover]

yea I avoid those kind of streamers, power to them if it works for them but pass lol there's so many awesome people streaming that have 0-4 viewers

[stoic halo]

im not going to change my behavior

[still lark]

@median basalt I think you can use RenderDoc or something to capture it's frame.
Lemme search real quick.
Yeah it's RenderDoc.

[jaunty plover]

every time I have 20+ and I find out someone who is actually talented, playing amazing live music or something, has like 3, I feel super guilty

[stoic halo]

streamers who try to control my behavior are the worst

[jaunty plover]

I don't try to control anyone I just mute anyone who violates TOS because I'm obligated to

but I think VRchat TOS is the same anyway, no hate speech and such

so it's not like I'm enforcing twitch on people

[stoic halo]

twitch will ban you for anything tbh

[jaunty plover]

I hate even the idea of doing that, if people aren't cool with something I'll just dip out

I heard youtube is way worse but like no one I know is on youtube

[lapis nebula]

apparently someone got banned of vrchat for headpatting someone

[jaunty plover]

that's weird

[stoic halo]

people banned for iceposidean being on their stream

[lapis nebula]

yeah, was classified as physical abuse

[jaunty plover]

like did the pat-receiver ask them to stop or what

[lapis nebula]

I don't know of the specifics

[jaunty plover]

nonconsentual patting is wrong, morally. otherwise that's just insane

[lapis nebula]

but, that was what I got informed about

[jaunty plover]

I haven't heard of anything like that yet but I've only been on for a week. It's been 90% positive experiences so far

and then 10% of shitpost trolling and one giant fluffy bird who was a total dick for some reason

[stoic halo]

pat my head anytime unconsentually

[lapis nebula]

@jaunty plover try being on for 3 years, your brain will melt

[jaunty plover]

like dude if you don't want other people walking up to you and talking to you don't go to public room

that's like all there is to do almost in vrc why would you expect people not to do that harumf!! still salty lol

[median basalt]

@still lark what's renderdoc?

Ohhh

That thing. Right, thanks! I still have that installed or set up somewhere.

[still lark]

Yeah!

I downloaded it but never did anything with it.

[jaunty plover]

experiences I never expected to have in VRC:
Making new friends like every 5 minutes, people being kind and giving my dratini avatar head-pats, buster keaton style physical comedy, Metal Gear running into a room where two kids were getting cyber-intimate with a robot voice yelling THIS IS THE POLICE SHE'S UNDERAGED, a swarm of raptors stacked on top of one another, communism prime, undertale roleplayers, a foul-mouthed winnie the pooh with a perfect impression, and live music by amazing, undiscovered, talented people every where I freaking look, and of course, friendly tiny lolis
things I expected that haven't happened:
all the shit I saw on youtube that made me stay away for so long

[neat jacinth]

I don't like streaming community. Yes, streaming itself is nice idea to get in touch with your audience.

But...

1. Many talented youtubers left making videos to more cheap streaming. Yes, it's their decision, but anyway. :(
2. Some streamers are just want attention. Or too greedy. Not all, of course.
3. Streaming to Twitch is a pain for watchers. Twitch loads your browser with unneeded stuff, their servers are slow(and I don't think it's possible to fix that).

You may say I'm wrong and don't respect streamers' hard work.

[jaunty plover]

subjective opinion time (imho). twitch, discord, youtube, the entire internet, is full of all the good and bad imaginable. If you find the right places to be, you're suddenly surrounded by the best people you could ever hope to meet and it just keeps getting better every day with each new person.

[stoic halo]

a big prob i have with vrc streamers is attention seeing

[jaunty plover]

yea those are the bad ones XD

I actually haven't met any of them yet, the ratio of amazing wholesome genuine people who happen to be streaming vs ... those other people, has been VERY high

in fact something like 30/0 at this point

[stoic halo]

I've mostly met people who kinda just interrupt the group randomly or just brag

[jaunty plover]

good streamers are like benevolent deities in the following way: If they do their job right no one will ever know they did anything at all

usually randos only find out I'm live when I forget to mute mic when talking to chat XD

WHICH IS THE MOST EMBARRASSING THING AND I WANT TO DIE IN A HOLE EVERY TIME

"holy crap this guy is so good I want to cry please check out his link I jsut found his channel FUCK NOT AGAIN" runs off and is quiet for 10 minutes

bc there's no way to prove I wasn't doing it on purpose

I feel so terrible

it seems the stereotypical VRC streamer is a bit different from me and my friends XD

[quiet prawn]

it really isn't

[median basalt]

One of my worst experiences with streamers was just

I was hanging out with like 4 or 5 friends

And this incredibly obnoxious streamer barges in and screams "OH MY GAWD THAT WAS SO FUNNY, CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN FOR MY STREAM?!?!?!"

90% of streamers I've met have been like that

Then the streamer opened a portal to some other world and dragged half of us in there

[stoic halo]

Mr Wobbles once interrupted my group

and he tried to serenade me.

never knew if he was streaming or not

[median basalt]

Lmao

He probably was if he just randomly came up to you and started doing his "bit"

[jaunty plover]

isn't that normal VRC behavior though

[median basalt]

Also people who call themselves "content creators" even though they literally just sit back and record public instances.

[stoic halo]

"WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME LEAH."

[jaunty plover]

oh god. I still can't say things like "content" and "like follow and subcrab" without bursting out laughing

[stoic halo]

"NINJA HAS LIGMA. LEAHBEAN HAS LIGMA"

[jaunty plover]

I think you can tell within 15 seconds whether a streamer is genuine and trying to have fun and make friends, or... do that other stuff we're apparently known for

I'm in a lot of streamer communities and the topic of "leachers" comes up a lot, I've always believed they sort of deal with themselves by being inauthentic because everyone can tell almost instantly

[quiet prawn]

It's because there is a vast oversaturation of streamers

[neat jacinth]

Maybe the problem are kids. They watch others' streams and so, they start streaming and it's just becomes cringe.

[jaunty plover]

OH GOD THAT

this terrible side effect of the new age of broadcasting where people feel obligated to stream garbage they wouldn't watch themselves to 0 viewers and it just makes them depressed

it keeps me up at night

I've seen streams from a cellphone sitting on the ground pointed up at a TV you can barely see a 10 year old sucking at fortnite on and it's like DUDE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS TO YOURSELF

I've seen even worse than that

[neat jacinth]

I can't blame them... but why they can't see how bad they are and improve?

[jaunty plover]

I feel so bad for them and idk what to do about it

most of them don't even look at chat if I do try to talk to them

so I just have to leave them to suffer

there's this really humbling statistic I point people to whenever they're bummed about their 5 viewers or whatever, over 50% of streams live rn have 0 viewers, and right now there's like 200 TWITCH PARTNERS (meaning at some point they averaged 75+ views) with 0-3

I could go on for like an hour about why not to even look at viewercount but that's a story for another day I think

people are engineering their own unhappiness

if you aren't ecstatic to just have 1 viewer you'll never make it on any platform

if you don't consider peoples' time and bandwidth a donation we probably aren't gonna be good friends

[neat jacinth]

I streamed once and even had 10 or something viewers, cuz I already have some audience. After that I watched full 4 hours of my stream and that was terrible. I feel so bad for viewers.

[jaunty plover]

if anyone wants examples of really good, friendly wholesome streamers who aren't any of the bad stuff you're used to DM me, I've met a handful in the past few days

[neat jacinth]

and don't want to stream again... :)

[jaunty plover]

VR streamersI mean

dancers, musicians, poets, freestyle rappers

[pure hemlock]

I can't stand like 90% of streamers in this game. They are so bad and cringe. Especially the ones who's whole 'thing' is to hit on every girl they meet. puke

[jaunty plover]

here's my philosophy for everything, including twitch and VRC:
Find the good and focus on it. If you're spending time focusing on negative things that you can't at least glean some lesson from, you're wasting some of your precious and relatively short time alive

[neat jacinth]

^ +1

[jaunty plover]

and if you stream dear god do it for any reason other than being rich or famous or you'll be miserable and fail in that order

dumbest fucking thing people do I swear

NONE OF US IS GOING TO BE NINJA or whoever you want to be as famous as it just won't happen
but you can meet so many awesome friends from around the world you never would have been in contact with

I have people whose houses I can crash at in Canada because of twitch

I LOVE CANADA!!!

[neat jacinth]

I want to visit Canada in my life...

Or even live there

[pure hemlock]

It's okay here I guess

[jaunty plover]

the culture and government are much more palatable than the US where I live, I'll leave it there without going on a whole socialist rant and starting an argument XD

and like a third of my best online friends live there

[polar bone]

Canada's okay I think

[quiet prawn]

good, because we don't condone talking politics here

[jaunty plover]

good it's usually just divisive

bad faith arguments aren't worth having, whcih is what most politics devolves into now

[stoic halo]

one of the depressing days is those where nobody is online and you only get noticed when you start to drink for the night

[jaunty plover]

so anyway, VRChat, incredible experience, been really helping with social anxiety around talking with strangers, found amazing content creators (HAHA sorry couldn't help it) I never would have heard of, made some new friends I really REALLY like

oof lol hug

[stoic halo]

when i just hop into pubs i tend to somehow get a huge crowd when drunk

[jaunty plover]

I wish there was at least a clips channel, VRChat is ridiculous clipbait

[stoic halo]

i just do my own thing

[polar bone]

The problem I have with vrchat is some people have already found their friend groups, and it's hard to get into one when they're all talking about each other that you know nothing about

[jaunty plover]

yea just like real life haha

the kind ones, some that i've met, will welcome you in if you're humble and friendly and act like you're part of the group even if you don't know the inside jokes yet

[pure hemlock]

If u girl its not hard to get huge crowds in public in vrchat, just saying lol. So many thirsty bois

[stoic halo]

i made a friend by calling rwby shit and arguing with him for 3 hours about it

[polar bone]

just be a thot

[stoic halo]

try being trans it's not as easy

[jaunty plover]

lol the thirst is real but I feel like every girl brave enough to use a mic on VRC is well past being on to their BS

[stoic halo]

tbh.

trying to keep my voice drunk is like a young boy

[jaunty plover]

oh god leah I can literally only imagine, so much ignorance out there these days. I started streaming with LGBTIA+ tag on because I'm an ally, my wife is pan, and I'm troll-proof so in a way I'm shielding more sensitive people from the trolls by drawing them in and creeping them out when they try to be mean by blasting friendliness at them

it really creeps some people out when they try to troll you and you tell them you believe they can do better as a person

[vocal shard]

IA?

[jaunty plover]

I think LGBT+ covers it, the acronym has gotten long, but I I think is intersex? and A is asexual

[stoic halo]

yeah

[jaunty plover]

and that's still leaving out a lot of letters, I only said LGBTIA+ bc that's literally what the tag is on twitch

[stoic halo]

i had to think about that

[jaunty plover]

force of habit

[stoic halo]

i is intersex a is asexual

now how i confuse people

[vocal shard]

You reproduce by budding?

[stoic halo]

is when my boyfriend gets on and people realize hes trans too

[vocal shard]

Oooh.

[stoic halo]

people get so confused

[polar bone]

Wait what's intersex

[pure hemlock]

do u get called a trap a lot?

[jaunty plover]

I feel like being prejudice is a huge drag on the prejudice people. I usually don't find out someone is trans until after we're friends, would be confusing trying to figure out who to hate

[stoic halo]

yes i do lol.

[jaunty plover]

especially after you've talked with them and know and believe they're an awesome person, how could the hate remain is a thing that really confuses me

[stoic halo]

it's very common.

[jaunty plover]

I know it's SCARILY common

[stoic halo]

and i dont necessarily like it

[pure hemlock]

that must get annoying real quick

[covert linden]

O im asexual

[jaunty plover]

I've picked my side and I'm really happy with the friends I've made because of it

my best friend is asexual n.n

[polar bone]

I'm straight af

[jaunty plover]

one side makes you cut people off and isolate yourself, the other side, the side of love, of believing that every person is a person and should be judged on the merit of their words and behavior, is a WAY more fun side to be on

[stoic halo]

ive had people try to just call me a man with tits, etc.

blocked pretty fast by everyone around them

[jaunty plover]

I know a guy I'm still trying to explain what being trans even means to

but at least he's willing to talk about it. honestly he doesn't even know why he holds the prejudices he holds

most prejudice I've been open and kind enough to get people to actually try to explain is born from pure ignorance, which can be cured

but only if you demonize the behavior and not the person

[pure hemlock]

Trans people confuse straight mens sexuality , and make woman feel attacked for some dumb reason

[jaunty plover]

it's a lot of work though lol

[iron wagon]

I mean if you got XY Chromosomes you a male so...

[jaunty plover]

oh god

[covert linden]

Vrchat helped me feel more open, because before the only person who knew I was asexual and bi was my cousin, And I was even trying ti deny it myself

[stoic halo]

nice the usual argument

[iron wagon]

Sex

[jaunty plover]

I gotta go lol someone said it

[stoic halo]

of chromosomes.

[iron wagon]

No male sex... ?

[still lark]

When someone says "I'm <insert thing here> as fuck" makes me thing they're not <insert thing here> at all.

[iron wagon]

Not gender, maybe I'm just confused... ???

[jaunty plover]

be back later love you all. chippi I believe in you but no you're wrong

[iron wagon]

Science said other wise son.

[covert linden]

Theyre just proud scruffy probably

[stoic halo]

did you know if youre born with XY Chromosomes but still have female gentalia and hormones youre a female since its also a chromonal problem

[iron wagon]

If you have XY Chromosomes and a female genitalia you're a hermaphrodite yeah?

[still lark]

Proud of your sexuality? Alright.

[jaunty plover]

the other day someone posted a nearly identically worded, openly transphobic tweet and someone roleplaying as goku butted in like

[covert linden]

Thats if youve got both parts at birth

Scruffy youd be suprised

[jaunty plover]

HI there, goku here! you really shouldn't be so worried about it, it's none of your business anyway! shouldn't we all just respect one another for who we are?

[stoic halo]

and did you know that Chromosomes dont define what people see me as.

[raven mulch]

[jaunty plover]

it was so wholesome and then the transphobe got banned for something mean they said in reply

[stoic halo]

you see my body, not. the chromosomes

[jaunty plover]

spirit bombed by goku

[stoic halo]

youre not going to inspect my chromosomes upon meeting me.

[iron wagon]

Who said you couldn't be what you want... ???

[covert linden]

Thatd be scary if someone was chromosome inspecting..

[stoic halo]

dont bring up the chromosome argument??

[iron wagon]

If you're a male but transitioned to a female I wouldn't be interested in dating you.

How do I determine that?

[jaunty plover]

I found the tweet, copypaste incoming
Hey, it’s me! Goku! You really shouldn’t care so much! It’s their life not yours! And even if you choose to remain non-open minded, at least stop bothering them! They’re just trying to live their life like everyone else! In the end that’s what everyone should want for each other!

[covert linden]

If you wouldnt date her then dont date her

Problem solved...

[jaunty plover]

if you're gonna ask stuff like that I think it's fair we ask why that's any of your f***ing business ^_^;;

[pure hemlock]

Don't think she'd be interested in dating you either based on your attitude lol

[covert linden]

^

[iron wagon]

Why would I E-Date???

It's a figure of speech of course.

[covert linden]

Hey dont judge my bfs onlone.

Online*

[jaunty plover]

this seems like a bad faith argument just saying

[iron wagon]

Maybe go out for once man?

[jaunty plover]

look it up that's what he's doing there's no winning at this point

[covert linden]

I have a job and attend school, I fell in love with someone online. I dont see a problem

[iron wagon]

Well you fell for an E-Girl/E-Boy that's the problem.

[jaunty plover]

chippi you're legit being a bad person now but you can grow out of that if you consider what you're actually advocating, I for one believe in you

[stoic halo]

how is it a problem

its not my fault hes across the country lol

[iron wagon]

Or maybe you're so socially awkward and incapable of interacting with another human being face to face you have to resort to E-Dating.

[covert linden]

How, I love him and we can meet one day, we are closer than most couples ive seen irl anyway

Bro I work as a cashier..

[jaunty plover]

why would you judge someone for that even if they were

that's so fucked up and mean :(

[quiet prawn]

See here is the problem. There are severe arguements on both sides. And one side the instant response is to call the other a bigot and look for affirmation from others...

[iron wagon]

Damn minimum wage got you good my guy.

[jaunty plover]

usually the transphobic side is being super toxic about it and legit bigoted, imho (disclaimer: cis hetero male)

[quiet prawn]

It's best to drop this discussion, it's only going to devolve

[covert linden]

Im 18 lol of course. I love my man and I actually met him on this discord. Im not gonna get upset over it either, because like.. Who are you to tell me its bad?

@rough pulsar

[jaunty plover]

awrini is right though, there's nothing to be gained from bad faith arguments (known on the internet as trolling and feeding trolls)

[iron wagon]

cIs HEtErO MalE!

[jaunty plover]

can we talk about vrchat

[iron wagon]

yOu CiS ScuM!!!!

[jaunty plover]

I gotta block you for now sorry

[covert linden]

@velvet quarry

[iron wagon]

Bye kid

[stoic halo]

lol this guy

[iron wagon]

Liberal defeated.

[jaunty plover]

So anyways, VRChat is freaking amazing

[stoic halo]

typical trash.

[iron wagon]

Sorry at least I don't have a mentall illness.

Whoops. . .

[covert linden]

<@&385550615012573186> plspls

[stoic halo]

mental illness ≠ you being a piece of shit

[umbral reef]

@iron wagon Tbh i question that by now...

[iron wagon]

At least I can think straight.

[stoic halo]

apparently not.

[iron wagon]

Being so offended by a random dude over the internet... My, my, my our generation is weak.

[uneven swift]

What's happening?

[jaunty plover]

see how someone who starts with the "there are 2 genders" point almost always goes toxic within 5 minutes? just an observation.
So back to vrchat: because of my interactions in VRC I've started playing the keyboard again and learning to make models in unity (a 10 year old taught me the basics over voice call wtf!!!!)

[raven mulch]

if you gotta resort to insulting people with mental illnesses and using emojis to look cool then you've already lost

also why's this in #vrchat-general-2

[iron wagon]

Sure bud.

[covert linden]

Aay squid this person is being uh whays the word

[umbral reef]

@uneven swift Chippi is legit just being toxic and harassing users by now

[stoic halo]

a shit.

[covert linden]

Thank you

[iron wagon]

People are insulting me though...

[umbral reef]

Nothing more nothing less to it tbh

[jaunty plover]

a bad faith arguer n.n you just gotta ignore them there's nothing to be gained

[iron wagon]

I just said a couple of opinions, people got upset and now we're here.

[jaunty plover]

this goes back to my earlier point, there will always be good and bad on the internet, the bad thrives on attention and there's no way to win other than ignoring and moving on

[stoic halo]

an opinion nobody asked for

[jaunty plover]

the good is SUPER GOOD and worth hanging in there and looking around to find

[iron wagon]

Maybe others shouldn't be so quick to get upset?

[stoic halo]

"XY CHROMOSOME MEANS UR MAle"

i dont recall anyone asking for that

[iron wagon]

Male sex...

Then ignore me and move on.

[covert linden]

"Or maybe you're so socially awkward and incapable of interacting with another human being face to face you have to resort to E-Dating." - your opinion

[iron wagon]

A valid one at the most.

[still lark]

inb4 Squid gets hate for oppressing.

[covert linden]

"Sorry at least I dont have a mental illness'

[stoic halo]

exactly our point here.

[pure hemlock]

He's just trying to stir the pot because he needs attention, just ignore him.

[quiet prawn]

welcome to humanity, where stating opinions as facts are commonplace

[iron wagon]

Thank you! ^^^^

[tacit plank]

If you're smart, you have it easier than most

[jaunty plover]

another observation: when someone is sharing their struggles as a trans person on VR and someone just shouts something transphobic out of nowhere, it's probably a bad sign
SO ANYWAYS POSITIVE EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD ON VRCHAT INCLUDE ok I'm done for now good luck folks I didn't sleep yet

[wheat moth]

I feel sorry for Squid =\

[iron wagon]

Y'all heard something?

[stoic halo]

that seems to happen alot. lolthulu

[tacit plank]

So to use that intelligence to put down the less fortunate is really sad

[stoic halo]

to the point i never really talk about it unless in private instances

[jaunty plover]

it was nice to meet all but one of you, stay excellent, chippi uhh make some friends you'll be happier I swear

[iron wagon]

I do, don't worry my guy!

You have a nice night too now.

[jaunty plover]

you don't have to be like this, you could be enjoying life right now

it's never too late to start listening to people

[covert linden]

Mods pls cmon

[tacit plank]

Good night lolthulhu

[jaunty plover]

you can become a better person every single day if you work at it

[iron wagon]

Sounds good bud.

[jaunty plover]

gn caff! and leah! and yin! and others

[stoic halo]

nighto

[iron wagon]

No goodnight for me, I'm hurt. . .

[jaunty plover]

hopefully I've convinced someone that VRC streamers aren't necessarily bad ^_^;;

[pure hemlock]

Goodnight Lolthulhu

[jaunty plover]

let's hang out in game sometime I can show you the positivity I've been finding

[stoic halo]

aight ig

[jaunty plover]

and subscribe to my patreon at the 10 dollar level for my private snapchat with nudes! sorry I couldn't resist lmao

[iron wagon]

[jaunty plover]

is a walking shitpost and is actually getting worse and at this point is okay with it

[covert linden]

And hasnt been clapped somehow

[iron wagon]

Good to bed before I give you a big ass kiss. 😘

[jaunty plover]

OMG CHIPPI YOU STARTED BEING NICE

[uneven swift]

Just finished reading the log, please refrain from toxic responses like that @iron wagon. Fine to have opinions, but responses in a discussion dont need to be hostile.

[jaunty plover]

YAAAAA

he started being nice and deserves another chance imho

10/10

[iron wagon]

Sorry for the toxicity Squiddy~ I hear you loud and clear! @uneven swift

[covert linden]

[umbral reef]

That achieved a lot 👀

[iron wagon]

But trying to better myself, I think I should leave. I made a horrible first impression.

[wheat moth]

I am enjoying the conversation 🍿

[raven mulch]

that certainly was

something

[iron wagon]

Funny how emotions can change in seconds huh?

[floral aspen]

just another day in vrc-general

[tacit plank]

It's not too difficult to better yourself, but you can only do it if you want to

[iron wagon]

Well I am a good person... In reality. When it comes to the internet there's no restrictions to what you can say.

[pure hemlock]

Lol

[iron wagon]

So freely speaking your mind and throwing a wrench in is a tad fun.

[covert linden]

Theres morals that restrict, I get its fun but theres boundaries

[pure hemlock]

I too enjoy shitting on minorities and bashing people for finding relationships online in my spare time cough

[iron wagon]

But knowing you guys are truly sweet caring people made me second guess, so thank you. Thank you for still showing sympathy after I've said upsetting things.

[raven mulch]

[tacit plank]

How you act when there are no consequences for your actions is how you really are, no? Discussing can be fun in general though

[pure hemlock]

No sympathy from me sorry lol. Just pity

[iron wagon]

Now that I think about it, yeah that is true. That's what you truly feel on the inside due to no one influencing your way of thinking.

[pure hemlock]

Mmmm

[umbral reef]

Also this is more fitting for #general-media

[tacit plank]

That said, you don't seem too bad. Just don't be too ruthless against people who you know can't handle it

[iron wagon]

It is but I'll be going to sleep so please continue your chat on VRC and it's quirks.

[tacit plank]

I guess, but it's pretty much over. I'm off to VR now myself

[iron wagon]

Well you have a good time.

goodnight

[tacit plank]

You too, good night

[pure hemlock]

Does anyone know if VRChat is planning to properly implement those Knuckles controllers coming out? Like above just mimicing the existing gesture animations, but actually syncing finger movements.

[still lark]

Not for a bit Yin, the gesture system that VRC currently has wasn't meant for those types of finger movements.

[pure hemlock]

But I need mah immersion. Has there been any talk about syncing eye movement with the new Vive Pro Eye at all?

[still lark]

I think the idea has been thrown around

Remember, the Dev Team need a Vive Pro Eye in order to test.

[bitter needle]

Once knuckles are actually out enough people will probably want the more accurate tracking and it will become a priority

[pure hemlock]

Mmm that's what I am hoping Baldrick

The eye tracking is gonna be neat but kinda creepy since it'll make it apparent how much everyone is staring at everyone elses chest and ass lol

[still lark]

You think those types of people would use the eye tracking? :P

[pure hemlock]

Lollll probably honestly knowing this community

[bitter needle]

I hope valves prototype headset also has eye tracking

[umbral reef]

Doubt it tbh

The cost for eye tracking is high

[bitter needle]

Thats the one I'm going to upgrade to regardless though

[pure hemlock]

The Valve headset? Any reason why aside from 'f facebook and htc'?

[umbral reef]

Right now we know nothing about it

[quiet prawn]

is there any information other than a logo ona chipboard?

[rough pulsar]

There's suggestions that CloudHead Games may have a dev unit or two

But other than that very little.

[plush cove]

hello

[polar bone]

Hello

[quiet prawn]

Scruffy, I think there was some basic experimental work for implementation of knuckles, but probably nothing more, at least not until a consumer release is announced.

[still lark]

Wasn't there a video on VRChat's twitter?

[meager solstice]

yeah a very pre-early stages

[floral aspen]

until the valve headset is available to purchase its just vaporware to me. Valve works on a completely different timescale than reality. Maybe I'll get to try it out by the time I'm 30 lol

[quiet prawn]

yeah basic experimental work

[floral aspen]

^

[quiet prawn]

like a first glance

[still lark]

Yup

[stone current]

wot

[floral aspen]

we likely still have quite a while until knuckles support is added

[stone current]

well someone demoed using knuckle on vrchat

doing the gestures

dont remember who

[still lark]

Well a lot of people use knuckles in game right now, it's just not native to the game.

[quiet prawn]

Yes. That is what I'm referring to. And it's hackspanner.

[stone current]

well not that many

[floral aspen]

define a lot. The only way to get it right now is to apply for a dev kit

[still lark]

non devs got the knuckles that's how many

[stone current]

or be popular with vr

[floral aspen]

yeah, but not everyone knows that

[stone current]

and they send u 1

[floral aspen]

I'd be willing to bet like 0.1% of the VRC population uses knuckles

[stone current]

never met any1 that actually does in game

[quiet prawn]

I wouldn't say quite that many.

[floral aspen]

okay, so 0.01%? lol

[stone current]

prob only vrchat devs and like 3 people

[still lark]

Do you ask everyone you meet "Do you use the knuckles controller?"? Because it's not exactly something you bring up a lot.

[stone current]

well i ask wat they using

[inner cape]

[floral aspen]

Do you? You're the one claiming a lot of people use it

[stone current]

do a survey lol

hop 20 worls and count how many

[floral aspen]

lol you'd have to do more than 20 worlds to get a good sample size

[hasty wedge]

b strimmer xd and ask papa ron 4 devkit

[floral aspen]

you don't have to ask Ron. Just ask Valve

[inner cape]

o look who it is

[floral aspen]

and they'll give it to you

[rigid crescent]

Or just ask valve. They have so many they were giving people extras

[floral aspen]

^

[quiet prawn]

^

[rigid crescent]

I know two people who asked for one and got four.

[still lark]

Just an FYI, you don't own the knuckles.

[floral aspen]

that's news to me

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, that too.

There's a chance they'll ask for them back.

[still lark]

Valve still owns them and can ask for them back anytime.

[inner cape]

it works only with vive as of now, rite?

[quiet prawn]

Well yes and no.

[rigid crescent]

It should work with Oculus if you have lighthouses but I haven't seen anyone try

[stone current]

they prob willing 2 let if popular or got $$$$$$

[rigid crescent]

What

[inner cape]

you don't pay for dev kits

[stone current]

🐾

[rigid crescent]

No...that's not how it works. Literally just ask

[stone current]

ok i wil

do u thincc they wil giv konkles 2 a dog

[rigid crescent]

Like I said, they had so many they were giving them out like candy to people who didn't even lie about being devs.

And giving multiples to people who only asked for one.

[inner cape]

FeelsOculusMan

[floral aspen]

The thing is, I don't know how they'll fully support knuckle's finger tracking because of the way gestures are handled. Vive users will be able to make the pre-defined gestures like you can on the touch, but beyond that I'm not so sure

[stone current]

vrchat prob never gonna support it at least in near future

[rigid crescent]

I'm sure we'll get skeletal and it'll just override gestures. There's a trackpad after sll

[rough pulsar]

Some people got multiple because they were given the EV3 knuckles which have a known problem with the adjustment lever breaking in some cases, so a second pair were sent as backup units.

Like I did.

[stone current]

gestures all preset animations and have good reason 2 be so

but yee

[rigid crescent]

They definitely will. probably on release.

[stone current]

they need 2 have a toggle for gesture binds and for actual finger based gestures

[quiet prawn]

Gallium, they don't need to know that.

[stone current]

so u can do stuff only when it active

[rigid crescent]

Or just use the trackpad

[stone current]

on oculus no track pad

[inner cape]

I guess you'd have free finger tracking and then a set of default gestures that will play an animation when you it

[rigid crescent]

On knuckles trackpad

[stone current]

yea but here the thing

5 fingers per hand

[floral aspen]

how would you trigger gestures with a trackpad?

[stone current]

each can be moved up or down

[quiet prawn]

That's how ot works on Vive tidus

[rigid crescent]

The way vive does it?

[rough pulsar]

You could have a gesture override per finger, but it would be weird.

[quiet prawn]

it's positional

[floral aspen]

But how does it work? Do you assign regions of the trackpad to a gesture?

[stone current]

also huge amount of animations

[rigid crescent]

They're present to those things n

[quiet prawn]

exactly yes

[inner cape]

gesture override per finger, let's do this

[golden bluff]

Knuckles are like vive atm still use ttackpad lol

[still lark]

You could base it on if they're doing 90% of the gesture, then activate animation.

[rigid crescent]

What? They're just for utility really. They have thumbsticks.

[rough pulsar]

As of now, vrchat sees the knuckles trackstrip like a weirdly proportioned vive trackpad.

[floral aspen]

that sounds easier said than done Scruffy

[stone current]

vive wand gestures kinda boring

[quiet prawn]

Weirdly proportioned is an understatement.

[stone current]

at least oculus it somewhat related 2 hand

[rigid crescent]

With full skeletal on knuckle, track pad would make the most sense for activating them.

[rough pulsar]

I'd say it'd need some kind of UI system for it, since gesture overrides are no longer needed. Maybe you touch the strip and it shows where you're touching and what overrides you have, and pressing the strip activates it.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah that's the thing people forget. You wouldn't have the same gesture overrides.

Because you're not overriding anything lol it's like how a hand on the hip standing animation is lost in VR vs desktop

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, don't need buttons to control hand states.

[rigid crescent]

Gesture and PTT are my main issues with knuckles

Right now I use grip, which is open hand, but not sure how I'd do it on knucks

[rough pulsar]

OpenVR Advanced Settings has a configurable PTT section, and one of the active devs on it has knuckles now.

Also you should use right trackpad bottom click, since that region is unused in vrchat.

[golden bluff]

Grip is A button on knuckles with most bindings

[rigid crescent]

I kinds like open hand tbh

I used to use the button on the track pad for a while but I didn't want to kill my pads even faster

And my grip has shown zero sign of deterioration, vs my always dying track pads.

I even use the same controller in my right hand every time I play

[stone current]

isnt that gesture selector how steamvr home works

[rough pulsar]

Oh shit yeah, something like that perhaps.

Shows how little I use SteamVR Home

[rigid crescent]

Also fun fact, but pressing the button definitely takes its toll on the battery during playtime

[stone current]

i used it for a min bc it had shitty mini game worlds like vrchat but much more broken

[rigid crescent]

I've swapped controllers to test it, and the controller I do PTT on always has lower battery.

[stone current]

well yea

controller just kinda have pretty efficient connection

but every time gotta handle and send input data takes more power

[pliant heath]

So a friend of mine got hacked, lost all of his avatars, got named changed into something logout gang bs and all friends got lost, anyway to even restore an account of that happend to someone? asking here if anyone have had an simelar experience happend to them

[still lark]

Nah they're boned kiddo

[pliant heath]

Ah okey, thanks

[umbral reef]

Dont get your email and password compromised... Its that simple 👀

But nah unless he can get his email back he is outa luck really

[still lark]

You can get the account back which would have all the trust stuff

[pliant heath]

he already has the account back, but as I said, name changed, all avatars are gone and friends

[umbral reef]

Then have him email [e-mail] and explain it properly

[languid beacon]

The knuckle controllers are going to use touch’s method of just doing the gesture with your hand to trigger it

Want to rock out gesture? Do an actual rock out.

[quiet prawn]

Maybe, we'll have to wait and see though.

[rough pulsar]

My bets are on initially that's probably how they'll have to do it, then in a year or two we'll get actual finger detection

[stone current]

y get knuckle when u can get haptic tracking gloves

[median basalt]

Yeah, that's probably how they'll do it

[stone current]

they hav built in sensor and stuff so like knuckle but can feel heat pressure and force

[stoic halo]

why use haptic when u can just use the kinect

[stone current]

haptics != tracking

[languid beacon]

@quiet prawn a dev tweeted showing the knuckle working In vrc that’s what it was doing

[quiet prawn]

that was a first glance. Will it be what is eventually implemented is yet to be determined.

[languid beacon]

We’ll get that if not something better surely

If they support knuckles without hand post recognition they would be pitchforks

[quiet prawn]

I disagree

even without hand post recognition, they are far superior to vive wands

[floral aspen]

that tweet also stated that work on knuckles was like 0.1% complete and very much a WIP

[languid beacon]

It would be deal breaker for me I have touch controllers and would never downgrade to knuckle controllers if that’s how they are dealing with them

[floral aspen]

Even if the tracking is just equivalent to the oculus touch at first, it would still be far superior to the vive wands

[languid beacon]

That’s what the tweet showed. Though

[quiet prawn]

they aren't meant to replace touch controllers

[languid beacon]

Awrini is saying we not even get that

Which I don’t think is remotely logical

Tweet showed knuckle with feature pairity of touch

[quiet prawn]

Just so I'm sure you are aware. Knuckles do not work with your typical Oculus setup.

[languid beacon]

They work with my base stations

Vive is not necessary

[covert linden]

They were advertised with full finger tracking.

[polar bone]

Binary hand tracking

Not full, but it will work with all fingers

[quiet prawn]

which it has the capability of doing.

[covert linden]

Binary?

[languid beacon]

Knuckles has full finger tracking but VRChat support may only have feature parity with touch, ie, gesture detection

[polar bone]

It can only tell if your finger is up or down, like the touch controllers

[languid beacon]

But it will surely have at least that

Touch can tell a little more than up or down

It has capacitive touch and then also analog trigger

But touch only has 3 “fingers”

Thumb. Pointer; and everything else

[rough pulsar]

Well not exactly, thumb index and middle. The other two fingers hold the controller.

[vocal shard]

knuckles can tell if it's up or down, but supposedly through the range of the finger movement, along with pressure sensitivity. the touch on the other hand knows when your finger is resting on the button, and how much the analog buttons are pressed\pulled

so the knuckles would be more advanced, if used correctly

[languid beacon]

I must have small hands the bottom trigger is big enough for all three fingers middle ring pinky lol

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, it's a full range of open to closed, then pressure on the grip & touchstrip, and analog trigger on index finger.

[quiet prawn]

^

[rough pulsar]

Either you have tiny hands or mine are huge because the touch controllers are uncomfortably small for me

[languid beacon]

Yeah used correctly but the only confirmation right now is touch feature pairity and nothing extra

[eager lily]

What about the Vive Cosmos controllers? Does anyone have some Information about them?

[rough pulsar]

Even with just that it's a different experience when the controllers are strapped to your hands rather than having to hold them all the time. I noticed I hold myself a bit differently since I started using them.

[vocal shard]

other than they look similar to touch and are optically tracked, not much info right now

[rough pulsar]

I recall HTC were doing some stuff with ultrasonic tracking I think?

[crisp siren]

lag ;c

[languid beacon]

Curious how knuckle would distinguish spread hand from relaxed hand

[golden bluff]

What do you mean if fingers are on the cap sense they are fully curled

I don't think they can

[quiet prawn]

I don't think you'll get an accurate distinction of that with anything less than say a glove.

[lapis nebula]

Hey @jaunty plover tyvm for the follow

[languid beacon]

Well the touch knows if you are not touching (spread) or touching it and not squeezing it (relaxed) or squeezing (fist) and it’s an analog transition varying degrees of squeezing

Pity if knuckle can’t replicate that but yeah still better than wands

[floral aspen]

The knuckles can replicate that. It has better finger tracking than the touch. The question is whether they can make it work with VRChat

[glass spire]

It probably will work. Vrchat will introduce update for it

[vocal shard]

knuckles would sense that only part of your fingers are closed (it has multiple capasitive sensors for each finger to sense how closed they are), and register as resting. that's the benefit of it being strapped to your hand. we're so used to having to hold our controllers in place

[stoic halo]

id be too scared to not let it just rest

because i fear id throw it across the room

[languid beacon]

It’s strapped to your hand

Even touch has a Wii-like safety strap

[quiet prawn]

I feel it would be rather difficult to throw across the room if properly using the strap

[ruby burrow]

There's plenty of footage already showing Knuckles having smooth analogue tracking for fingers. That much isn't in doubt at all.

Whether VR-Chat will be able to implement that fully, or whether it will just mimic the Touch controllers current gesture system, remains to be seen.

Mimicking the touch scheme seems like the most likely route to me. At least at first.

Pre-defined physical gestures, triggering fixed virtual gestures designed in Unity.

I would be absolutely thrilled if we could get analogue controls for all gestures, but am keeping expectations realistic initially.

Since it still has the track pad also, that does make me wonder whether it would potentially allow both gesture control schemes.

[quiet prawn]

the trackpad is rather small

and it's location relative to the analogue stick and A/B buttons could prove awkward.

[covert linden]

Poor knuckles is being bullieeddd

[quiet prawn]

Not really

[ruby burrow]

I'm not bullying it. Still looks to be the best controller to date. I'm just trying to be realistic about how it will initially feature in this particular game.

[covert linden]

Not you squishhyyy

[jaunty plover]

you know it @lapis nebula <3

[languid beacon]

Trackpad is not really needed with an analog stick, no? I mean it’s a nice addition but feels unnessessary

To a touch controller user, anyway

[neon flume]

Unlikely this would ever happen/be implemented but I could imagine using the trackpad to control emotes to free up the hands to perform whatever gestures you'd like. Essentially separating gestures and emotes.

[languid beacon]

I was about to type that. As long as we have options I’d use that mode most of the time

[torn nebula]

If they do separate them I hope they allow for more than seven custom animation slots too

[tacit plank]

To begin with, they could make the 8 slots seperate for left and right hand

It's basically implimented already, we just lack the slots in the Unity controller thingy

[stone current]

it a lot of anims tho

honestly they do need 2 like have the toggle from gesture animations to regular gestures ingame

basicaly u could have a animator param that would choose which set 2 use

so u both dont accidentaly turn on gesture and also can have more slots

[torn nebula]

Or just have a binding UI, ideally on a per-avatar basis

[stone current]

u can do some gesture magic atm with particles and toggles and emotes

[languid beacon]

Wait if it’s already implemented and we’re just missing the slots in the controller what stops us from just giving s different controller template with more slots added with the correct names (that’s not modding the SDK right)

[stone current]

ive seen avatars where u had several different gesture binds

[languid beacon]

There’s many ways to do that

[stone current]

heres how it work atm

there a left hand layer and right hand layer

that use same animations but they are masked to each hand

bc it plays same animations probably wouldnt do anything if u changed the override

[languid beacon]

Ah. Well to me that’s not implemented then but yea

[subtle prawn]

How do I attend Gunter's show today? Site is not loading up 😦

[stone current]

#360993240268144640

[queen mango]

There will be no Gunter's Universe tonight.

He's got some stuff that needs his attention

[rocky oar]

Bruh I wish I could play this game

[stone current]

:\

keep it up and u wont lmao

[jaunty plover]

It's an amazing game

[subtle prawn]

[urban ingot]

@pallid flicker

[cyan crescent]

please free the game for 32 bits and optimize it to run on any

[jaunty plover]

agreed, I wanted to play since it came out but could only do so when I got a new comp this month

it's one of three games I couldn't get to run, if elite dangerous runs on a computer but VRChat doesn't there is a very dire need for optimization. some of my friends are getting left out because of hardware

sell banner ad space at the bottom of my worlds menu, sell my private info idc whatever it takes to hire some coders with lots of optimization experience

make me watch a 15 second ad when I login like twitch I'll get over it eventually

can't adblock that either XD guaranteed revenue

[cyan crescent]

a question has some date expected to launch vrchat 32 bit or will not have

[stone current]

a question has you tried getting a semi-modern computer

[covert linden]

It wont

32bit isoutdated and not meant for gaming, my cousin uses a 32bit laptop and can play if she was 9fps.

[stone current]

exactly imagine vrchat

[opaque hawk]

This is a game built on user created content, this is near impossible to optimize

[covert linden]

You also cant play many 3d games on 32bit with good frames

Like minecraft would kill their system too, bully, etc

You CAN plau the game on 32bit though. Cant say im wrong bc my couson doe

However if your system is terrible allaround

Have fun with 2fps

[stone current]

there not even decent 32 bit modern cpu anymore

[covert linden]

There isnt. My cousin has like a 10fps average

[civic plume]

hello guys!

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6237 users in VRChat currently

[civic plume]

i can play vrchat at work now lol

[lunar jackal]

Nice.

[queen mango]

Noice

[vocal shard]

I don’t even have vrchat lol

i just like the community here

everybody is nice and funnt

[lunar jackal]

Well if we weren't nice we'd be kicked on the spot, with all these hard working mods on.

[queen mango]

The thing is.. the moderators here weren't always that active here..

[civic plume]

hey elire

[queen mango]

Oh hello

[civic plume]

it’s me remember?

[queen mango]

Yep..

I still know ye

But as I was saying.. that was back then, when someone else stepped down as this discord server moderator

[ruby needle]

[queen mango]

We know..

But now.. most of the stuff he used to do is now up to me and Jamie

[vocal shard]

but but... fpaul?

[queen mango]

You okay, Fpaul?

[vocal shard]

sad for advert

[ruby needle]

Yes Elire

[queen mango]

Ah.. I was worried there for a sec.

[vocal shard]

FPaul, don't go out on me damnit

[faint furnace]

test

[proud patrol]

vrchat is amazing!

I just with I didn't get so sick playing it @_@

[queen mango]

Oof.. VR stuff?

[proud patrol]

yeah

I'm sure it's motion sickness, I've never got this before

[faint furnace]

I do it just desktop

and I'm just used to lag

[queen mango]

Yep. VR is not your typical experience..

You're looking at another world in a new perspective.

[proud patrol]

there's no lag in the headset, my pc is decent

but yeah vr is such a trip! >_<

[queen mango]

Yea.. Lots of people get used to it the more they use VR.

It's just that the first few days is your body trying to get a sense of what's going on.

[proud patrol]

yeah...

true

[neon flume]

If you get motion sickness be sure to take breaks frequently and stop as soon as you're feeling sick. You do not want to push through that feeling since it might make it much worse/last longer.

[proud patrol]

I hear ya bro

[civic plume]

the music on my laptop does 32bit 96khz and it sounds so good, even has a program that enhances the audio and its urghhh

[proud patrol]

that's pretty sick

mine only goes to 24bit

which I think is what just a higher dynamic range?

[torn nebula]

It's more resolution, but in practice you'll not find any music that is encoded in that kind of resolution. It's more useful in studio setups where you want to avoid rounding error through multiple filter stages

[proud patrol]

oh that makes a lot of sense

[heavy sundial]

how long do i have to play to be able to upload avatars?

[hardy seal]

it depends

[vocal shard]

(Pasta)
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.

You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.

Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.

http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

[hardy seal]

i mean i got mine in 4-6 hours after making 4 or 5 friends

[heavy sundial]

so should i not play through steam?

[hardy seal]

no

[queen mango]

You can play through Steam, but make sure you're logged into your VRChat account

[hardy seal]

if you are just go to settings and hit logout and then make a vrchat account and log in there

[heavy sundial]

oh okay

thanks

[queen mango]

[vocal shard]

mad sad I can't play vrchat cause i have a mac but I shall stay and wait patiently for the day to come 😬

The amount of time ive played this game, 4 months or so, still havent fixed the loading thing..

[night lava]

Friends, i'm reaching out for help on finding an avatar or avatar world. Its this miko fox girl in a suit of medieval armor and had giant blue and red rock arms above it, movable via vr.

[tiny ginkgo]

@vocal shard did you try Bootcamp?

[vocal shard]

no i havent, i didnt realize that it came pre installed on the macs

[tiny ginkgo]

Okay. I feel it decreases performance a little bit but it's worth trying

[vocal shard]

Yeah there's a canny for it

[queen mango]

Yep.. that too.

I dunno why it only shows a greenlight to the left of the name when not online, and not other colors

[umbral reef]

Wait you can't? Dam

Kinda makes sense though now that I think about it
But would still be nice to have

[queen mango]

But the more server features there is, the more the servers become stressed.

It could be why we're havin these server issues.

[umbral reef]

Can also make it send out like once every hour instead or every time the menu opens

Don't see something like thatchanging a lot

[vocal shard]

what server issues?

[queen mango]

The loading loop.. the rare connection timeout

[vocal shard]

ah.. never had it before

[queen mango]

People with good connections usually don't get those stuff.

Speaking of that.. low connection speeds may have made some people have that aforementioned loop issue, and thus think the servers are at fault

[vocal shard]

i have adsl 2.0 only 1.3mb down, and 90kbs up. and ive never had issues other than when they get dos attacks aimed at them.

[robust sparrow]

Lose connection for 0,1 seconds and you get yeeted

[vocal shard]

my ping is mostly in the 70s to 90ms though might have something to do with it.. despite having a shite connection.

[queen mango]

Anyways I do love to have the "recently seen" stat and "Show Status when Offline" addition get into VRChat.
It would help very well with the social aspect of the game

[robust sparrow]

Last login is already in the api and is probably a planned feature

[still lark]

Yeah that^

[subtle prawn]

[rigid crescent]

It is the game that's at fault. It didn't do that, and now it does because of some change.

[jaunty plover]

I think I'm gonna try singing in open mic for the first time in my life tomorrow morning, wish me luck! I figure worst case I get negative or no reaction and just never do it again lol!