vrchat-general-2

[stone current]

lul

[turbid echo]

Does anyone know what to do if a lot of characters show up as orange?

[stone current]

orang?

[vocal shard]

You eat them and get some vitamin C.

[turbid echo]

Like the blue loading in character except when it should be done loading it's orange instead of blue

[stone current]

u mean red

[turbid echo]

mostly orange

[vocal shard]

Clean dat Cache

[stone current]

and issue with download or avatar itself

[turbid echo]

some red

[vocal shard]

yoyoyoy

Prophet Kind in the house

Yes

It's time to watch people complain about their "unique" issues again

[kindred briar]

@midnight leaf You're using the wrong version of unity, download 2017.4.15f1 from the vrchat.net website.

[midnight leaf]

I dowloand

[kindred briar]

download the latest sdk too if you haven't done that yet 😛

[midnight leaf]

where i can dowloand to that version?

[umbral reef]

All the right versions can be found on the VRchat website once you login with a VRchat account

[kindred briar]

^

[midnight leaf]

on vrchat website i get version to 2018

can u give me link to this sdk version?

[kindred briar]

Unity 2017.4.15f1 - Scroll down to find LTS Release 2017.4.15f1
. If you have Unity Hub installed, you can just click here to install the proper version. Do NOT install the 2017.4 version that's in the list in the Unity Hub.... use the link we've provided above!

[meager solstice]

the one on vrc website it right

[kindred briar]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/setting-up-the-sdk

there is no 2018 version that vrchat supports

follow these steps to install the correct version of unity

@midnight leaf

[lethal summit]

can anyone tell me why the heck the home default map of vrchat is downloading with 3kb/sec?

20mb map downloading in more than 3h srsly? (checked my network and it works just fine at 8mb/sec at least)

just to open the game i need few hours to wait 😐 this is nuts

this happened because everything from the cache folder got lost when the windows decided to kill the game because he was eating too much ram (like 100% and then forced shut down of the game)

[torn schooner]

Yo what's with all the crashers today?

they're taking over entire lobbies man not even blocking or hiding them is helping

[lethal summit]

3kb/sec are you fking kidding me???????

this is the default map from vrchat

took me 15 mins just for my avatar to load and it was an avatar of 19k polygons

but for the other ppls loads normaly... only me slowest af

just noticed that some times the 32gb of ram is not enough for vrchat to run...

[compact river]

Umm thats not normal

[stoic halo]

get better internet

[lethal summit]

i dont think you can get better internet than 1gb/sec even u dont have that kind of speed

[vocal shard]

Sounds like you just got computer issues P:

32gb is more than enough, mine is barely used.

[stone current]

yo how 2 do rolling R sounds in vocaloid4

[lethal summit]

@vocal shard right...always me the one with problem but never the game cus its such an unstable game...blame the user and never the dev.

are we playing the same crashing vrchat?

[stoic halo]

ur literally the only person having this issue

its on your end.

[lethal summit]

right.

[stoic halo]

or you know you can just complain about the devs not fixing an issue thats on your end

[vocal shard]

That's always fun

[umbral nova]

@stone current I could try to make Miku do a rolling R but I would need the phonetic syllable for it

Oh wait how TO do it

Uh idk

Hadn't had the need to so I never looked it up

[stone current]

yea idk how 2 do it

i cant find anything online

[umbral nova]

Also Luka has the better English voicebank don't at me

[stone current]

using @r @r doesnt trill it

[umbral nova]

Hm

[stone current]

and V4 doesnt have the R phonetic

[umbral nova]

I know and that annoys me so much

[stone current]

i wanted to make them sing with a like spanish accent

so i need the subtle R rolling

[umbral nova]

I tried to do a hard R while making her speak earlier but there's none for it

It's just either R sounds after a vowel or if you were saying the letter like you were starting to say a word, such as "right"

Also which Vocaloid did you get?

I only have Miku

I want Luka now though

She was made as the American Vocaloid, so her English is far better than the others

[stone current]

using the cyber ones

[lethal summit]

still waiting for devs to fix the avatars switch and reduce the crashing

[covert linden]

Have u ever cleared ur cache? ^

[vocal shard]

@umbral nova hard r???? 👀

[umbral nova]

lOl

[vocal shard]

Oh you're talking Spanish nvm carry on

[lethal summit]

cache was cleared by the windows...when he literaly killed the game.

pretty much even the reports were removed

[umbral nova]

Reducing crashing. Remember this is the VRChat team we're talking about

But in all seriousness

[lethal summit]

never crashed that much vrchat before...even i use the same pc.

same win...same drivers nothing changed

[umbral nova]

The crashing is likely not caused by the game or it's engine

[lethal summit]

dont tell me.

its caused by my old CPU...

if ur gonna tell me that il just block u right away

[umbral nova]

90% of the game is user created content is what I was gonna say lOL

[quartz nacelle]

im gonna be really stupid any try to make a complex emote animation

oof

[umbral nova]

Block me do it you won't

[lethal summit]

i dont think there will be much difference between new cpu's and old.

cpu should run any os 64bit or 86

[umbral nova]

I never said it was your CPU though

🤔

[lethal summit]

i said that if u were gonna say about my cpu il would block u

cus thats just bullshit

[vocal shard]

Y'all need some warm milk

[umbral nova]

But again it's likely users who don't know how to optimize or don't care to learn

[lethal summit]

once the cpu worked just fine before...it should work even now.

but since some wierd updates solved the problem..

[covert linden]

so what ur saying is you havent cleared cache

[lethal summit]

dude

cache folder is empty

[covert linden]

It doesnt clear itself

[lethal summit]

yes

windows just did that for me when it killed the game.

[umbral nova]

C:\Users\<USERNAME>\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat

[lethal summit]

just made some space with somewhere around 15 gb

when it got killed

[umbral nova]

It took out one of the backslashes in my message lOOl

Thought I was trying to format something

[stone current]

need it for this singer

https://drive.google.com/open?id=117Gne1Nrb2tddtfn4s8QPbX3-OAbq6W7

[umbral nova]

U h

[covert linden]

If your cache is cleared then your game should be working better unless you arent thinking of the right cache.

[umbral nova]

Mind sending that in DMs?

[stone current]

kk

[lethal summit]

my issue was this: once the game got killed by the windows (reason ram memory was about to be 100%) then the cache was also removed...but after that ive launched the vrchat to play..then it started to download the default map again and that took me hell lot of time and it wasnt because of my slow connection.

[umbral nova]

Just delete it from this channel

[covert linden]

thats normal when your cache is cleared for things to take longer at first...

Because it hasnt been previously downloaded...

[lethal summit]

you dont get it

i had 3kb/sec speed of downloading that map of 20mb

other maps like 700mb size...downloaded in no time.

[covert linden]

Because youre loading everything for the first time, theres nothing presaved like before you empty your cache

[lethal summit]

i heard the amazon servers are slow but...dude 3kb/sec?

[covert linden]

deleting your cache wouldnt break the game

[lethal summit]

u still dont get it...
its pointless talking to u.

[covert linden]

Clearing cache doesnt break the game lol

[umbral nova]

Dude he's trying to help

Just clear your cache

[lethal summit]

and hes sayin the wrong answer

[umbral nova]

!cleancache

[floral flax]

You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them

[lethal summit]

i only had slow connection to download that map.

[umbral nova]

Just try it dude

[lethal summit]

he is saying something else like i said my game broke after ive cleared the cache folder.

[umbral nova]

Well then don't download that specific map

[lethal summit]

i cant run the game if i dont get that default map dude.

u have a better idea of changing the map before launching the game?

[umbral nova]

It is possible to launch in another world using Steam launch settings

[covert linden]

Every single time you enter the game it takes that long to download?

Or have you tried this once.

[lethal summit]

only once downloaded like that

[covert linden]

Then try again

It always takes much longer to load the first world when clearing cache for the first entry time

[lethal summit]

once the map is downloaded the loading is back to normal

i know that @covert linden

[covert linden]

But now it should be still in your cache folder pre existing so itll download faster

[lethal summit]

wonder what happened exactly that windows caused the cache removal.

[covert linden]

Youre suppose to clear your cache monthly regardless

[lethal summit]

sadly vrchat devs didnt created a button for that.

[covert linden]

You can easily do it in folders

[lethal summit]

or a way to save the maps u want.

[spice minnow]

Hi

[stoic halo]

just want to point out. took me hell lot of time and it wasnt because of my slow connection.

3kb/s

im pretty sure its the slow connection if its 3kb/s speed when downloading.

[umbral nova]

@lethal summit https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_496b11e8-25a0-4f35-976d-faae5e00d60e

[lethal summit]

it was a slow conn between me and vrchat server (some ppls says its an amazon server actualy)

[tacit plank]

Yeah but it's on the servers end

[lethal summit]

but my network didnt had any issue..

[tacit plank]

I've tried it before with a map. Got like 0.01mb/s, usually download 100MB maps in under 5 seconds

[stoic halo]

its you or amazon, because im having 0 connection issues.

[tacit plank]

Then I changed map, and the issue went away

[lethal summit]

dude did we downloaded the same map?

it happened at that time

i dont know if the speed it still is the same..

[tacit plank]

It happened after some assholes kicked me for dissing their huge screen shaders

It's probably just bad routing or something

[umbral nova]

Dude if you're launching into a big map but can't download it, at least launch into the Box

[lethal summit]

box the most toxic and glitchy map

every time(almost) when some one is joining after i am already there...my game crash or i have heavy lag spikes till his avatar loads...

[stoic halo]

i think its time to upgrade the pc

[lethal summit]

i dont think there is needed to upgrade x5 graphic cards of 1080 gtx.

[stoic halo]

youve got something wrong software or hardware wise

if you lag or crash from someone joining..

[umbral nova]

@lethal summit Because you're launching into a public instance that's why the box is laggy

Otherwise it's pretty good

[lethal summit]

yea...public with only 1 person there...right or me alone

[umbral nova]

Or you could create a friends+ instance to launch in

All I'm saying is don't launch into a gigantic world lOL

[lethal summit]

same happens no matter how many ppl are in there its a glitch...it happens kinda often..

[umbral nova]

I'm not saying anything else

[lethal summit]

also ive heard another ppl having the same issue.

[umbral nova]

Dude what I'm saying is if it's a problem downloading a map

Just mitigate it by making it a map that isn't large

[lethal summit]

well how am i gonna do that if the game is not even open?

it need at least to be in 1 map right?

to be in it.

[umbral nova]

By launching it through the website like I showed you LOL

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_496b11e8-25a0-4f35-976d-faae5e00d60e

[lethal summit]

i get a login screen

[umbral nova]

Then log in

[lethal summit]

right..

[umbral nova]

It's the best I could do on Mobile

[lethal summit]

not working...

nvmind

forget it.

worked

actualy...it logs me out when i use your link

😄 this is interesting.

[umbral nova]

H m m

Also love the new Mimi emote

[lethal summit]

alright im in.

[tacit plank]

Change to .net then

Both are owned by VRChat, but you need to log into the right one to use the same session

[lethal summit]

got the link thanks for the launch shortcut

[umbral nova]

No problem

[lethal summit]

ive been using same way for the private worlds...

[molten hornet]

Hmm should i change my VRchat name? Its currently "Oniichan" gibe me opinons people

[molten hornet]

no replys ok guess i wont change it

[vocal shard]

Depends

Do a lot of people know you by that name

[vocal shard]

Man

This is still going on.

[queen mango]

Which one?

[vocal shard]

The good ol speedy thread.

[queen mango]

Ah.. I dunno what he was experiencing there, but it was the same with Goopy.. 'cept people here can't exactly get what is wrong with Goopy's connection to VRChat

[vocal shard]

Inb4 they both secretly run Linux

[queen mango]

No idea
shrug

[unreal quarry]

hey uhh

im a new user trust level factor

and when i go on the sdk thing

i cant upload the model

do i need a unity upload thing

[ruby needle]

you mean you are not allowed to yet?

or other issues.

[unreal quarry]

when i go to the unity SDK tab thing

theres no upload thing

if it helps

when i select "manage uploaded content" i get "missing credientials"

wait a sec this prob goes into user-support

[wide pond]

Notifying anyone that is going into the widely used stage world, an individual by the name of BanWave is disconnecting players.

Was unable to report him. Immediately disconnected beforehand.

[ruby needle]

can also do a normal report with output log via mail

#moderation-reports

[wide pond]

Without proper evidence of it.

It would be pointless.

[ruby needle]

!outputlog

[floral flax]

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt

[wide pond]

That is true

Is there any way at all to prevent disconnections such as this?

[clear marsh]

i need hel0

help

[wide pond]

I've been a member of VRChat since Feb 7th 2017

And only recently did disconnect hacks start existing.

From what I've seen at least.

[clear marsh]

please help ne

[wide pond]

FPaul

There's no output log I can find with the current timestamp for this.

Only the current output log where I've joined "The Box"

But it doesn't contain any such log of me being disconnected

[rigid crescent]

"only recently" definitely isn't true, it's been since about summer i think

possibly before and just less common

[pseudo basalt]

Crashes were probably easier so people didn't bother

Since you didn't even need a modified client for a lot of them

[night lark]

worlds are downloading really slow

[vocal shard]

Make them faster

👉😎👉

[analog schooner]

What's the best precautions to avoid a GPU crash?

Or a game crash

[safe prism]

block animations and particles on everyone

[analog schooner]

Ah right

Shame that Pikachu's mouth counts as a particle

[stone current]

what lol

[safe prism]

i don't know what that means

[analog schooner]

Well when some of the features are disabled, avatars with 2D facial features have just black planes on their face.

Maybe It's not particle

What I might do is avoid the presentation room, since that's the world where it always crashes on VR.

[stone current]

lol

well idk ive never crashed from gpu or anything

just memory access or game bugs

[analog schooner]

Don't think it was a GPU crash. Mostly regular crashes on there

Though it did stop my VR from working until I restarted the computer

[safe prism]

presentation room has it's own crash you can't prevent

[analog schooner]

Ah, that explains it!

[safe prism]

people are assholes c:

[analog schooner]

The sad truth...

[stone current]

not me i a doggo

[covert linden]

LOL

[summer pasture]

the report system say an error occured whhen i wanted to report a user with an avatar with nudity on it

how can i report it :/

i recorded proof

[vocal shard]

you can send a report to [e-mail]

[summer pasture]

Okay

[subtle vault]

Anybody else's favorite model list not updating, even after a re-log?

[vocal shard]

yeah, it is glitching right now. mine didn't show up for a couple days

[zinc solar]

Why the hell is this dumb video keep getting recommended even when I blocked the channel? "Kid in vrchat talks about getting bullied"

[vocal shard]

youtube algorithm

[zinc solar]

You watch on tutorial on props and now youtube thinks you want to watch every VRChat clickbait

[grave quest]

im frum noo zilan oy

[queen mango]

...okay.

[empty wharf]

@zinc solar because Youtube has the least accurate results of what's recommended.

[zinc solar]

Yeah, I don't watch much gaming channels and everyday when I scroll down my recommended I see the generic guy blowing a ghost thumbnail

[queen mango]

YouTube likes to do that.. even with anime stuff.

[covert linden]

Vrrrchat is cool

[subtle prawn]

[molten hornet]

Im thinking of making a MTG world for vrchat where u can play it in vr

I dont think its been done yet

[tiny ginkgo]

Sounds heavy in textures

[brave light]

Vive pro, yay or nay? I’m selling my oculus and going all in with vive. Is the vive pro worth the extra money when compared to the original vive? Plus there’s the new 2.0 stuff that comes with the pro v.s the 1.0 stuff that comes with the regular vive or the pro starter kit.

[opaque hawk]

the pro is made for tradeshows

[meager solstice]

I mean in my opinion vive pro isn’t anything special

[umbral oracle]

With 2.0 base stations you can have up to 4 which could allow extending your play space even more or getting better accuracy. I don't know if the original vive is compatible with 2.0 base stations

[vocal shard]

the original vive cannot use the 2.0 base stations if i recall, since the 2.0 is simplified and is missing one of the ir pulses i think

[stone current]

vive pro a no go

lolo jk

[glass yacht]

does anybody else keep getting "disconnected" with a low tone over and over in certain rooms?

[vocal shard]

yeah, kept happening to me

a bunch are experiencing it

[glass yacht]

aparently its a malicious client, and it can even affect people who blocked the person using it

[vocal shard]

there have been reports of clients using a logout exploit, but disconnect is more related to just the servers themselves. a few of my friends and i were all getting them while just in a private room for the 4 of us

Hello

hi

[queen mango]

=O.O=

[zinc solar]

VRChat ESports

[vocal shard]

Wonder how hard it is to fix the map not loading bug.. hm..

[earnest harbor]

Tried turning it off and back on again?

:3

[molten hornet]

@vocal shard if u fix it let me know haha

[vocal shard]

@molten hornet ive been trying ways ❤ literally. even 3rd party programs to see if I can possibly get kicked offline while im already stuck on the screen. sadly my friend literally didnt guide me how to do it, so I cant find any type of fix. But Im pretty sure it'd be fixable in literally a matter of no time ❤

[molten hornet]

If u do fix hmu @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

I will =3

[queen lark]

Are the servers having issues? I'm getting stuck in a loading loop every time.

[timber lynx]

^ I think that's a current bug in the game

Happens to me and it's been going on for many months randomly.

Also, does anyone know of any in-game RP communities that typically host events? I have a custom OC avatar with a full backstory/template n' so on.
Roleplaying on VRC is so fun!
Ping me plz ^-^

[queen mango]

They do have events.. speaking of which, there's the Improv event that will be starting later that night

[timber lynx]

Well, I was looking for more of like a roleplay style VRC community heh.. But, thank you though! 😇

[zinc solar]

Ehhhh.... I know several Discords. But not sure if they're open to new people to join their crappy RP.

[vocal shard]

Is there any female voice actors here

[queen mango]

I think not.. why'd you ask?

[vocal shard]

just carious 😛

[tacit plank]

VRChat has a lot of guys who can sound like girls, if that counts

[vocal shard]

yahhhh... no 😄

i dont believe i can talk about why im looking for female voice actors through, maybe considered self promotion

but it is for a cartoon im making

[tacit plank]

Lmao. Good luck finding some though

[tiny ginkgo]

Why not use men who sound like women then

It doesn't really matter what are.. you're after their voices

[vocal shard]

How do you refresh VRC pages

[hollow umbra]

relogin

rejoin the world

[vocal shard]

They still haven’t fixed that

But like refresh my friend page

[small wing]

@vocal shard they don't have a refresh sadly. I kinda agree with you about the friends list getting stuck though.

its annoying as hell.

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/friends-list-not-updating

for anyone else having this issue, i found a canny post with a decent amount of upvotes already.

[thick dune]

How do I commit VR terorism?

[vocal shard]

We demand s refresh button

[placid zealot]

Telling people to press alt f4?

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard What would a refresh button even o...

[serene talon]

@vocal shard message me

[hollow umbra]

I don’t really need a refresh function because I get too many random friend request

[tiny ginkgo]

@umbral reef i suffer from the same issue and it makes visiting friends a big hassle. My friends list only updates every half hour or something

[umbral reef]

Owww like that

[muted canyon]

Hi almost every time I start VRC I have to cancel the login because it's it not working and then enter my Credentials and it works immediately? My friends don't have that problem regardless wheter theur account is merged with steam or not. What can I do?

[floral aspen]

It's a known bug. You aren't the only one having that issue

[hollow umbra]

Create a non merged vrchat account and start the vrchat grind again

[floral aspen]

Right now the only way I know of to fix it is what you described, cancelling the login and re-entering your credentials

[rough flax]

Can we just fix bugs rather than add features? 👀

[muted canyon]

ok, I think I'll have to wait for a fix, don't like the idea of creating a throw away secondary account, thanks

[floral aspen]

Creating a throw away second account wouldn't fix it anyway. My account is unmerged and it still happens to me too

[hollow umbra]

Is it a steam issue

I use oculus to launch

[muted canyon]

mine is not merged either

[floral aspen]

No, I'm using the Oculus client and it happens to me occasionally

[hollow umbra]

Only happens to me when someone uses a logout client directly to my avatar

[muted canyon]

like a hack?

[hollow umbra]

I guess

They don’t have much power now with the more recent updates

Most of the time they crash themselves or crash the entire server rather than a specific player

[muted canyon]

hehe the edit

[hollow umbra]

Not like my ign matches my discord name

[muted canyon]

hm it wont be that, I am rarely on public servers

[hollow umbra]

Ok

[muted canyon]

well thanks anyways good to know it's not me oblivious of an easy fix

[hollow umbra]

Not really an easy fix, more of a long time known issue

[proper rune]

guys if i have a 3d model file downloaded how do i get it on the game

[hollow umbra]

Avatar descriptor

On the avatar

[proper rune]

huh

[hollow umbra]

Should be a tutorial on the vrchat docs

[proper rune]

whats that

[hollow umbra]

A website

[proper rune]

okie

thanks

[hollow umbra]

NP

[stoic halo]

tfw you get so drunk you end up breaking down in the pug infront of people. never wouldve thought Kermit and the teddy bear from toy story 3 would be trying to calm me down

[languid beacon]

@muted canyon I used to get that all the time, until I change my password, then it went away forever, not sure if that will work on you but it definitely fixed it for me forever

[muted canyon]

hm o

[clear marsh]

help

[hollow umbra]

Anyone know why you need a “silent” visemes and humanoid for visemes to even work

[stone current]

idk

mayb it just like used for reference or smtg

cuz i think wat the tool does

[hollow umbra]

But there are certain avatars that relies on generic animation

[stone current]

is it interpolates between different shapes from different sounds

[hollow umbra]

Probably that tbh

[stone current]

so when its not making sound

interpolate viseme from X to 0 and sil from Y to 100

[hollow umbra]

Visemes is weird, they combine different shape keys to incorporate different sounds

[stone current]

ye

but that prob y

[hollow umbra]

That’s why you need like 50 different material to even attempt 2d visemes

[stone current]

na

done it before with just 1 texture

and also with just 1 mouth atlas

but the 1 texture and plane one was better

u can essentially do 2d visemes same way u do 3d if u move the vertices correctly

[hollow umbra]

Oh yeah, that weird multiple mouth thing

[stone current]

and ya i used 2 do that but its not that good

https://i.gyazo.com/c375eac15fbfef4c8941155b8ead210a.png

u just do this for example then morph it around with the editing tools

[hollow umbra]

Yeah I know, that’s why I said multiple mouth thing

Basically a big single mouth texture

[languid beacon]

I’d love 2D viseme support from VRChat itself, so like instead of a bunch of shapekeys dropdowns we just get a bunch of repeat and offset values for what part of the texture to scroll for each sound

[stone current]

yea but it not as smooth as ^

i kinda wish u could choose shapekey vibrato also

so when u go 'oooooh' the mouth kinda vibrate open

[elfin cloak]

hallo everyone
i was reinstall my windows and all necessary things
and when i try to set wanted vrchat resolution it doesn't do anything
and i'm stuck on only one resolution that can vrchat auto chose instead of me
so i get narrowed screen every time i set deferent resolution
please help

[safe smelt]

Have the devs said anything about a update comin out soon? cuz it been quite a time since the last update

[floral aspen]

It's only been a month since the last update

And we got like 2 in one month

[vocal shard]

When we get updates that quickly its usually down to a major flaw 😛

[safe smelt]

^

[stone current]

inb4 is small bug fix

[vocal shard]

Any small bug fix can shape the way other things react.. its the way.. you fix you break.. it happens.

[rain isle]

if you update an avatar, does it update it for people who cloned it too?

[vocal shard]

yes. it's the same blueprint id

[floral aspen]

The 2 updates were the Unity 2017 update and the return of chairs/ability to clone avatars/70k poly limit/Oculus Client. There were smaller patches to address bug fixes and roll back the IK optimizations. So yeah, 2 major updates in one month. But the comment about major flaws isn't exactly untrue lol

[rain isle]

allright, thank you 👍

oo, so that ik optimization was rolled back

[floral aspen]

Yeah, too much stress on the network

[languid beacon]

Yes. And if you make it private those who favorited can’t use it but they are not forced to unfavorite it. If they choose to keep it around and you make it public, they will have it again

[rain isle]

makes sense

can share an avatar for a limitd time if wanted then

[vocal shard]

[rain isle]

was the ik optimization gonna break any fullbody stuff or naw

[vocal shard]

it was sending everyone else's ik information over the network rather than calculating in your own client. but ik looked choppy and laggy, so they rolled it back

[languid beacon]

Network ik broke nothing full body for me. It just made some new bugs like everyone else seeing you cross eyed in mirrors

It was great for frame-rate though

It also made holoport look a bit silly

(It already looked silly locally but correct for everyone else, network ik made it silly for everyone)

[iron thunder]

anyone stream vrchat in VR? How do you see your chat? Anything bettter than OVRdrop? If its OVRdrop, what kind of settings do you have?

[small wing]

ovrdrop with the left controller right side preset

you can also use screen and put it on the bottom of your view

text to speech from speechchat if you just want chat to be read to you

make sure you set up a bot to disallow offensive messages tho

[languid beacon]

If you have oculus you can pin things to oculus dash

And they stick around even when the overlay is closed. You can put them anywhere but can’t yet pin them to a hand

[iron thunder]

i have oculus and love the dash but i feel like the chat in my hand is more interactive.

[languid beacon]

Yeah. Lots of requests for oculus to let you pin to hand space

[iron thunder]

also i didnt run into this problem before. I cant run VRChat and OVRDrop at the same time?

wait. I might have run vrchat through oculus on accident nvm.

what do you use to see your chat? I have chatty, but it feels massive.

[languid beacon]

I just pop out the twitch chat window and pin it >.>

Nothing fancy lol

[iron thunder]

im afraid of chrome being too ...chrome.

[languid beacon]

In oculus beta there is a experimental feature to allow you to rip individual windows and pin them instead of whole monitors

Can use lighter browsers

[iron thunder]

oh yeah. I just want to record the chat. Which brings me to another point.. lmao.. you using openvr capture?

or record the oculus mirror?

[meager solstice]

Oculus mirror

[iron thunder]

last time i used it the borders were all wavey. Is that still a thing?

[languid beacon]

The mirror will record everything including your pinned panels

Tho sometimes it doesn’t not sure it is a bit unpredictable

[meager solstice]

Umm I don’t know about wavy borders

[languid beacon]

Boarders are wavy if you use asynchronous reprojection and post distortion

I usually just crop it out in obs

[iron thunder]

thanks for all the help

[polar bone]

@rain isle if you truly want to share an avatar for a limited time you can upload it again, then delete it when you're done

[chilly coyote]

I have a question and I'm not sure where to ask it lol. If I play vrchat through my steam account, what will happen if I change my Steam profile/display name? Will my vrchat username stay the same, or will it change? Will I lose anything?

[umbral reef]

Your VRchat name takes priority
So unless you change your names on the VRchat website it wont change ingame
And as the information is already linked you have nothing to worry about (It does not use the name to link it but a number steam gives all users that never changes ;p)

[chilly coyote]

Oh okay, thanks!

[rain isle]

thanks

[vocal shard]

#world-development

[vocal shard]

hi guys. VR noob here and i would like ur opinion on something.

I bought a gtx 2070 so i could run VR on my pc (VRChat especially) and i would like to know if the price for the FTX vive pro is worth it. Or should I just get the normal version?

The pro is double but it has better resolution, the deluxo audio strap and 2.0 tackig system on the controllers.

Does this justify the purchase in your opinion?

[covert linden]

Go with the normal, the vive pro isnt a consume rproduct

@glossy wharf knows more

[vocal shard]

From what I heard normal version but I have oculus cause I like the controls better for my small hands

[covert linden]

The oculus is definately the more comfortable choice, but the vive at least is meant for consumers too. The PRO isnt meant for consumers it hasnt been out long enough so the price is far too much and theyre known to break (Vive has terrible support)

also the controllers as far as I know are a seperate purchase

for both the vive and the vive pro

and the audio strap

[vocal shard]

Yah vive pro doesn’t come with control or camera

yeh i was thinking on getting the oculus but fullbody tracking is better with the vive right?

[covert linden]

Adeon is here I think they know more, I just echo what sai says

[languid beacon]

Vive is not worth it until it comes with better controllers. I may be exaggerating but I absolutely despise the vive wands and think they give people bad impressions of modern vr

[vocal shard]

Yah full body is better with the vive but u can use the vive body trackers with oculus my friend claims

[covert linden]

The tracking on the vive is better however the oculus also has good tracking and full body is possible on both, you should probbably start without full body and see if you find it neccisary to upgrade

Just dont get the vive pro

[meager solstice]

u have to use a hybrid system (buy the vive base stations+trackers)

[vocal shard]

I have oculus with 3 cameras it’s really good

I sad 😔

i heard vive controllers were bad but didnt expet to be that bad. Isn't steam working on 3 party controllers?

[covert linden]

Theyre very uncomfortable and the Oculus controllers are heavenly

[vocal shard]

e mean valve

[covert linden]

How much money are you planning to throw at this?

Like it seems like youre trying to get the best of the best = the highest cost but thats gonna kill you

[languid beacon]

Knuckle controllers look like they will be better than touch in terms of what they can do, yes.

[vocal shard]

well money is not a issue because i prefere to get something that works and doest disapoint´

[covert linden]

Highest cost isnt neccisarily better, the knuckles will come out and can be used on both the oculus and vive

Well the vive is known to break easily with terrible support

[gentle plume]

yo guys quick question

[covert linden]

I have an oculus and I adore it, I also convinced my friend to get it and he feels the same (And he can actually use his..)

[vocal shard]

yeh i herd the support was awful. i heard a guy broke his oculus 3 times and they sent him a replacement every time for free

Same XD my sister gave me her oculus and love it she returns her vive and got a new oculus

[languid beacon]

I cannot overstate how comfortable touch controllers are though. I have always said Nintendo GameCube controllers are the most comfortable controller ever, but Oculus Touch beats even them. Touch controllers can feel like you aren’t holding anything at all. They fit perfectly on the negative space of a gripped hand.

[umbral reef]

I more really depends
Do you want an headset with loads extra addons, higher cost for everything and worse controls that will be solved in the future (with options to upgrade and change it in years)

Or a more well rounded headset for this generation that cant be upgraded at all really.

[vocal shard]

I have ran into lots of walls with my oculus cause I’m dum and everything still works only my audio messed up so I use headphones

Ya exactly both have ups and downs

[umbral reef]

Also how big is your play space

[vocal shard]

so oculus seems the better option right know but is hard to pass on the better tracking and possible wireless upgrade

no bug right know but will be very big soon

[covert linden]

The tracking isnt that noticably different unless its wmr

[vocal shard]

Tracking is better on oculus if u get a third camera

[umbral reef]

And future support and loads of easy of life extra's accord

[covert linden]

Allnmy friends are oculus with on point tracking

[dry basin]

Are there anymore weekly vrchat meetings? used to be on sundays

[languid beacon]

If oculus simply had a full body solution I would never consider vive hardware in any way. But since they don’t, if you want full body, 100% vive is the way to go.. but you will have to deal with awful controllers until knuckle controllers come out. Again, I really have an unreasonable, irrational hate for vive wands, so take what I say with a grain of salt. 😃

[vocal shard]

so i can exclude the tracking worries gotcha

[covert linden]

Ye my one frien has 3 cameras and roomscale, im getting 3 too

[vocal shard]

I have 3 and it’s amazing 😉

[umbral reef]

@covert linden Have you used the vive tracking though for a longer time period to say its just as smooth...?

[dry basin]

@mild acorn I can't direct message you wanted to ask you a few questions

[covert linden]

Im saying only from what ive seen personally vive vs oculus, what ive noticed

If the tracking is worse locally I dont think itd be that big of a deal personally

[vocal shard]

how much do the cameres cost for the oculus? same price as the vive?

The tracking is worse full room unless u get the third cam for sure but otherwise it’s the same

Got mine for 50 on amazon

[umbral reef]

Yea do not ping the devs unless its an emercengy
If you /need/ to contact /him/ try twitter or his email
If its about VRC use the VRchat emails like [e-mail] or [e-mail]

[vocal shard]

And u can have more then 3 also

so way cheaper

[umbral reef]

The devs got jobs to do and casual chatting aint part of there job description

[vocal shard]

Yah XD

I can take pics if u want pm me I can show u my set up

[covert linden]

I want full room tracking so ima get 3 trackers and some extendors

Put them on my roof

[dry basin]

shitty just wanna reminisce

all old friends are untouchables now

oh well

[languid beacon]

Vive and oculus tracking have pros and cons. Vive is better at having a bigger tracking volume, and is easily expandable and has sensors that do not need to be wired to your pc. The downsides are tracking fidelity is not as good as oculus.

Oculus tracking has superior tracking fidelity. Devices only get lost when obscured from all sensors, and instantly recover unlike vive. But the downside is everyday sensor must run a wire to pc, and the system is not expandable - it can only track 4 objects and the tracking volume is smaller

[umbral reef]

Try to find him ingame then :x

[vocal shard]

and the oculus resulution. Does it bother you at all thats lower or its no a big deal?

It’s better the the vive by a bit but not as good as the pro

So I don’t mind it personally

[umbral reef]

The vive trackers dont instantly recover?
I know they lose focus fairly fast if something is blocking them (what should never happen anyway unless its your body but then you got the second sensor still...)

[languid beacon]

I can’t comment on resolution. I can’t see the oculus screen door due to an astigmatism

Vive FoV is bigger though

[covert linden]

My friend says the oculus screen is better than wmr, hes never used vive though. Your eyes kinda blur it together and you dont noticeanything I was told

[vocal shard]

If u live in Alaska u can try mine lol

[meager solstice]

resolution wise isnt the vive/oculus the same?

or atleast very close

[vocal shard]

Yes but the pixel arrangement is better by like a tiny hair on oculus but not much

[languid beacon]

I could see the screen door on oculus DK2, but cv1 is sharp enough that my imperfect eyesight doesn’t see pixels, but many still can see them

[vocal shard]

Not enough to change anything

[covert linden]

The odessy has the best screen but thats it

If im remembering right

Im not suggesting the odessy tho

[languid beacon]

Vive and Rift are both still on the Blury side, but they both look the same to me. I have never worn a pro

[covert linden]

Sai says to not get pro

[languid beacon]

Don’t get a pro it’s a scam, but if it were cheaper I would recommend it over oculus as it’s the objectively better

[covert linden]

Its still not a consumer product

They begin as commercial, they become consumer later on

[languid beacon]

I mean if you’re rich sure get a pro and debate is over

[umbral reef]

Pro is a company product not consumer worthy so thats right

[covert linden]

Dont get it even if rich youre nor a commercial

[vocal shard]

ok so no pro go ot

[umbral reef]

Its also why the next gen of vive only has the eye tracking on there pro product as its purely aimed at companies

Companies dont mind paying for 'Pro' editions

[languid beacon]

It’s better but not at the point that most people find the extra price worth it it if you like the idea of paying a premium for the absolute best, pro is for you

[vocal shard]

i was wainting on info about the VR headset that valve was making (leaked pictures) but they arent saying anything and i cant wait anymore

[covert linden]

They make knucklws

Psvr is the best tracking

[dry basin]

vive for the win og vive

[languid beacon]

Two things. The valve controllers that will work with Vive, called Knuckle Controllers, they let you have all 5 finger control.

Then there is the new vive headset the Vive Cosmos but that is most probably just going to be a rival to the upcoming Oculus Quest

[covert linden]

I vote oculus

[dry basin]

Oculus ugh

[covert linden]

Comforr is IDEAL

[dry basin]

I use deluxe audio strap on vive is super comfy

[covert linden]

For vrchat

The controllerssss

[ruby needle]

And... pricy

[dry basin]

Vive used same price

[covert linden]

No vive is pricier

[languid beacon]

If you plan on spending most of your time in VRChat I do a hard recommendation for Oculus, VRChat was designed around the touch controllers and the vive wands will make you feel like you are playing a game that wasn’t meant for your device

[dry basin]

not on ebay

[covert linden]

You have to buy the controller aand audio strap they donf come together

Ebay isnt company sold isnt it all used products

[dry basin]

alway used vives on ebay

[ruby needle]

plus... you wont be spending much time each session with the vive wands

[dry basin]

true deluxe audio strap is sepratr

[covert linden]

Theres no warrenty on ebay and vive is known to break so no thanks

[dry basin]

wands are fine

[covert linden]

I got a brand new oculus

[dry basin]

knuckles incoming

[ruby needle]

till the battery runs out and you gotta wire your self up

[covert linden]

Just try the oculus controllers and youll realize the wants

[umbral reef]

Dont buy on ebay then?

[covert linden]

Wands

[umbral reef]

And actually use a proper store and not a third party market place

[dry basin]

battery life is fine on wands

[covert linden]

I wish I could use my oculus controllers for ps3

[umbral reef]

Also the battery life is totally fine on the wands- Unless you plan to spend days in vr your fine

[vocal shard]

yeh i buying new from store

[languid beacon]

I like the double a’s over charged controllers. Instant refill, no charge wires

[covert linden]

@umbral reef im not buying off ebay, he was saying the price is the same if you do si

[dry basin]

I never used non rechargable batterys

ugh

[covert linden]

Oculus ftw

[dry basin]

oculus is weak if you know the tech

[languid beacon]

I feel like I’m being timed when I use my vive leg trackers

Oh yes the oculus tracking system is a dead end yes

[covert linden]

You dont seem to know the tech tho since you bought it off ebay..

[vocal shard]

They both have their own individual benefits over eachother

didnt mean to start a war xD

[covert linden]

Nuu accord

[dry basin]

I use tpcast my vives are wireless and modded with gear vr lense no god rays

[languid beacon]

But just on its own, I find the oculus + touch bundle a better product than the standard vive set

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby needle]

lens mod

[vocal shard]

modifying your device isn't really a good argument tbh

[ruby needle]

^

you dont compare any mods

[dry basin]

people who are afraid to mod is their own problem

[umbral reef]

Can you even mod anything on the oculus 🤔 ?

[dry basin]

Once you see no god rays it's impossible to go back

[covert linden]

[dry basin]

I backed the oculus on ks backer 152 here

[vocal shard]

once you go anti sde Odyssey+, it's impossible to go back
See, i can do that too ^^

[languid beacon]

I mean you can’t mod it any less. Breaking your warrenty is breaking your warrenty. It’s YOUR plastic, do what you want.

[covert linden]

He has no warrenry

[dry basin]

anti sde sounds like bs, are the lens stil frensel

[umbral reef]

You know what you wont get with vive
A company who is trying to criple the Vr industry

[dry basin]

why care about a warranty imo just saying

[languid beacon]

I backed the oculus Kickstarter. For 5 dollars

[vocal shard]

And i started with the dk2 which had the same smooth lenses as the gear vr. But i upgraded... So...

[obtuse beacon]

Anyone know where I can get a Ninja avatar with the meme lines of him being mad? Otherwise ill make one but if there is one I can just find it would be easier

[umbral reef]

Because hey- Buying up game rights and denying them from everyone but oculus users is something we support right!

[dry basin]

Well most people don't know that the shit lens in both the Oculus and vive was not for our benifit lol

[vocal shard]

So basicly what i got is this right now:

Vive pro isnt worth it so its a no.

Vive normal as better extras (pricy ones at that) but way worse controllers

Oculus doest have extras like wireless but is cheaper and has good customer support

Is this right?

[languid beacon]

@umbral reef I know you are being sarcastic but, my answer is. Yes actually.
I support that.

[umbral reef]

The fuck?

How does making things more exclusive help a still growing genre of gaming?

[languid beacon]

Exclusives are good for the industry

[covert linden]

Why care about warrenty? Becauze the vive breakes easy then youre paying tons for new controllers and a new headset

[umbral reef]

Tell that to diablo fans

[dry basin]

Oculus has officially been dissolved guys its FB VR now

[vocal shard]

This is just going to continue into a war of "my choice was better than your choice"

[dry basin]

I fixed my own wand it's easy, yeah htc does have horrible support storys

[umbral reef]

But you really think that limiting the games the Vr community gets. And then i mean games like Serious sam, Superhot, Killing floor and ect is good?

We barely have good VR games if we compare it to other genre's...

[languid beacon]

I’m sitting pretty using my oculus ok steam but guess what if it were vive exclusive what I’d have bought a vive instead

[sage pewter]

Oculus is a better name

[dry basin]

are you saying that everyones experience is different? then yes that is true lol

[umbral reef]

So how is limiting it even better?

[languid beacon]

Sells hardware

[dry basin]

oculus does not have a better name it is called FB

[covert linden]

Vive exclusives make me sad and I cant even use my vr

The word oculus is beautiful

[dry basin]

oculus exclusives lol

[covert linden]

I have this loli petting game and itsays it requires a vive and im like nooo

[vocal shard]

It'd better to seperate the hardware from the ecosystem though...

[umbral reef]

So because it pushes people to buy one hardware over the other it helps the industry?
This isnt some console gaming... this is VR- A thing where you need a good PC and loads of cash to start...

[languid beacon]

Oculus Rift is a nice name. It means Eye Portal

[dry basin]

yeah started by the founder who is gone Palmer

[sage pewter]

@dry basin Yeah, I was saying Oculus is a better name than Facebook VR

[dry basin]

ceo gone

[covert linden]

I vote jamie for oculus ceo

[dry basin]

well oculus has offical been dissolved check the news

as a company

[covert linden]

I feel like thats not true

[umbral reef]

There is a reason why most devs are not a fan of oculus to my knowledge... Atleast i know the devs of serious sam arent

[vocal shard]

I don't like the oculus eco system or Facebook, but i like the rift hardware and i recommend it for that. I like the vive technology and uograde path, but not the company or support

[covert linden]

Oclac is oculus no longger an existing company

[umbral reef]

Facebook is legit trying to win 'vr' by throwing money and not pushing the best for users
Meanwhile Steam and Vive are doing the exact opposite

[languid beacon]

Facebook has very little to do with oculus as far as I know. I think mark just is rich and wants vr to happen. Guy sucks but hey rich people all suck

[vocal shard]

Valve headset when

[covert linden]

Never

[vocal shard]

[languid beacon]

In 3 years

[covert linden]

Would a valve headset be good in theory?

[vocal shard]

Yes

[languid beacon]

Dunno they don’t have a good record with hardware

This year probably

[covert linden]

If its their first vr Id question it but Idk anything about valve so im curioud

[vocal shard]

They designed the vive hardware, but like to make things available for everyone

[ruby needle]

Somewhen.

[covert linden]

Oh ok

[umbral reef]

Facebook has everything to do with oculus now btw...

Follow any VR dev and you will learn that

[covert linden]

Good to know

[dry basin]

https://uploadvr.com/oculus-division-facebook-technologies/

[covert linden]

Ill just believe whatever Jamie and Oclac says

Sai too, I echo their info too much

[dry basin]

some people like to remain in the dark I suppose

[covert linden]

No u

I beliebe the facebook thing because oclaac said ittttt

GHOSTO

[inner cape]

uuh

hallo~

[queen mango]

Sup?

[covert linden]

My laptop is still on btw by accident so if it says im typing here im proba ly nottt

[dry basin]

I will buy a quest if it's all that

[inner cape]

I was just gonna say some random shit and get out of here

[covert linden]

Dont get quest

[languid beacon]

I noticed a little Facebook logo on my oculus rift box. And when I was asked to sign up for an oculus account, I was given an option of logging in via facebook which I declined. Other than that I’m not sure what Facebook has to do with oculus

[dry basin]

lol

[inner cape]

zucc literally made oculus

[covert linden]

I just wish my oculus would work

[stone current]

oof

[dry basin]

he bought it 2 billion we all know that right

[inner cape]

to spy on your vrc erp

[languid beacon]

@inner cape he funded it

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon Facebook has a shitty as fuck imago and they know it
There is a reason all facebook sister companies and projects only get the money and resources but not there marketing

[dry basin]

funded and bought are different things

[languid beacon]

Yeah I’ve heard a lot of bad things about the website. I’ve never used it personally so idk

[inner cape]

it's shit

[umbral reef]

Just to be clear- I only promoted Oculus when they where Oculus.
I have no good word for there platform Facebook VR

There product is something else as it isnt there platform btw

[covert linden]

I use it for student council and I hate it

[dry basin]

facebook is a virtual social media place like vrchat but lives on webpages instead

[languid beacon]

Guess I will continue not using it. Oculus is a great headset though and the two are not connected in my mind at all

[dry basin]

people just don't understand how mucb of thier life is already virtual even without putting thier eyes up to lens lol

[inner cape]

as long as there's development, idc who owns it, the rift 2.0 already seemed cool

[covert linden]

I understwnd and I succ more of it I dont want this real world

[inner cape]

it just takes too long

[dry basin]

rift 2.0 got canned

[inner cape]

huh

[umbral reef]

Ghosto being up to date on stuff 👀

[inner cape]

well then

[dry basin]

yeah they cancelled pc development and fired ceo Brendan

[inner cape]

what is gonna happen to it now

[ruby needle]

they havend cancelled PC developement

however they did fire that person

[dry basin]

basically they figured it too nitch and decided to focus on mobile mass adoption option

[inner cape]

Xbox vr when

[umbral reef]

http://i.imgur.com/TzUDF6K.png :^)

Old relic from when they failed with there kickstarter but still neato

[dry basin]

dude rift 2.0 was stopped come on read a vr news site

[queen mango]

Yes, we heard

[dry basin]

some didn't get the memo

[vocal shard]

Anyone play averion on steam btw

[ruby needle]

rift 2.0 developement stopped and cancelling pc developement is 2 different things tho

[languid beacon]

The rumor that the rift 2.0 was cancelled was false

[umbral reef]

You really think that wont be assimilated into another project though paul?

[vocal shard]

The rift 2 that was teased was cancelled, yeah... But the rift S is supposedly in the works

[languid beacon]

Oculus quickly corrected the blogs saying it wasn’t cancelled

[ruby needle]

^

[vocal shard]

Ooo good I was worried bout that

[dry basin]

so it is just being delayed you say for when we all can afford the gpus

[languid beacon]

It wasn’t delayed either. It just wasn’t NEXT

[stone current]

quest

[dry basin]

ok

[vocal shard]

Thanks @languid beacon lol I was so sad

[umbral reef]

Also- Facebook/Oculus has a good track record with claims /s

[dry basin]

smart move on thier part tbh

[vocal shard]

I think it was basically, the "oculus half dome" won't be the next headsets. But something else

[dry basin]

well I want whatever got leaked from valve screw FB

[inner cape]

oculus was giving dates so far ahead, while vive already implementing eye tracking and had fbt for a long time.
even pimax got eye tracking
oculus really needs to make stuff, and way quicker

[languid beacon]

Oculus Quest is just Oculus Go 2. It looks nice, I will get one to show people vr at my work, but it is not Rift 2 and that probably won’t be for a long while

[dry basin]

oculus always been behind true dat

[vocal shard]

Oculus is a lil slower at coming out but I think they test things and make sure the function a lil better

As a company, mobile market probably makes more sense for mass market

Pc vr is too small a niche

[dry basin]

room scale was first and always vive/valve

[ruby needle]

its a completely different market and honestly i dont see the big hype about mobile vr

why

what for

[inner cape]

^

it's garbage

[dry basin]

mobile vr is the most mass adoption model atm

[languid beacon]

I’ll explain. Before VR went mainstream did you imagine it hooked to a PC? Because I doubt it. Mobile VR is much closer to the idea of what Vr is supposed to be.

[dry basin]

mobile power is always growing and foveated etc. stuff make it seem nice imo

[ruby needle]

it might be nice in the future

but it simply doenst have the power

[dry basin]

well it's all doable now

[ruby needle]

no

[dry basin]

855 snapdragon yo

[ruby needle]

you wont put anything close to the performance and thus software a pc can handle in there

[languid beacon]

Look at vr goggles in fantasy art and stuff. How many wires do you see? Where is the computer?

[inner cape]

mobile vr seems like a weird discount shinenigan to me, I always saw vr as a full on pc experience

[umbral reef]

I expcted it to be like the vive Pro stuff tbh

[dry basin]

who is here can't wait to see what samsing vr looks like

[umbral reef]

Wireless to a pc

[dry basin]

s10 perorder for me

[languid beacon]

People imagine vr to be stand alone

[upper fox]

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/vrconferencejft-161006192847/95/how-virtual-reality-impacts-shopping-habits-12-638.jpg

[languid beacon]

At least I always have

[dry basin]

yeah wireless to pc nice also

[vocal shard]

I have my wires on the ceiling on a puppy thing

Pilly

[languid beacon]

Wireless and stand-alone is different

[dry basin]

i been wireless and you can't go back

[umbral reef]

I never did because its fucking VR gaming, not Vr sit and ride

[vocal shard]

Grr pulleys

[dry basin]

maybe for some wide fov for a bit lol

[umbral reef]

Its the same i dont expect SAO bullshit VR

[vocal shard]

Anyone geting pimax

[languid beacon]

Oculus Quest isn’t wireless, it’s standalone. It’s basically a console

[ruby needle]

and what exactly are you doing on your nice mobile vr?

[dry basin]

who here has done wide fov?

not me

oculus quest is wireless lol

[umbral reef]

Play superhot where its normal to not look at your hands when grabbing shit :^) @ruby needle

[dry basin]

it is an aio all in one, it's a soc in your face with cam for inside out tracking yo

[ruby needle]

quest is mobile vr no pc wireless

[dry basin]

yeah but it is still wireless

[ruby needle]

not really

technically it isnt

[dry basin]

and it will run quitea few pc titles

[ruby needle]

its wired internally

[languid beacon]

Oculus Quest is not wireless. It had no wires but that’s not what wireless means in tech terms >_>

[dry basin]

lol

show me a physical wire on Oculus quest

[ruby needle]

you didnt get my point

[dry basin]

it is all pcb traces

[ruby needle]

you're comparing mobile VR where the "PC" is basically in the thing to PC Based

[languid beacon]

Wireless does not really mean “no wires” it means “wireless communication”

[ruby needle]

ye

between two thigns and not just the controllers

before you come up with that

[vocal shard]

Oculus Quest won't be good to use on this game.. Just doesn't have the performance 😅

[dry basin]

no I know exactly what all the tech differences are

[languid beacon]

Quest does not communicate with anything

[vocal shard]

If you want VR to play this game, get Vive or Rift, don't wait for Quest

[languid beacon]

No sensors no pc

[ruby needle]

@vocal shard it doesnt have the compatibility either.

[languid beacon]

It’s all internal

[vocal shard]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[floral flax]

┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go

[vocal shard]

[floral flax]

┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go

[ruby needle]

its like putting your PC on your back and a generator

thats also wireless

right?

no wires going away from you

[languid beacon]

Yeah back on subject, VRChat has not been announced for Oculus Quest so

[ruby needle]

actually someone has build a VR Backpack

[dry basin]

yeah that isbtrue

[vocal shard]

Don't think it will be either, Quest specs are just too weak to handle this game

[dry basin]

I was speaking generally not about supporr for vrchat

[umbral reef]

We should just all program our games with the oculus api so that it will work on there mobile stuff
Lets block our games from running on all but the oculus platforms!

[dry basin]

well you wouldnhave to ask the devs

[languid beacon]

I disagree. VRChat’s specs are determined by the user content

A world of excellent avatars would run fine on quest

[dry basin]

it could be made to work on quest no doubt

[languid beacon]

But that’s not realistic

[umbral reef]

There is also still a base cost of everything Adeon

And the mobile chips the use can legit not handle any shit at all tbh

[dry basin]

well we can use it apple vr then

[ruby needle]

they can handle some limitit highly optimized games

[umbral reef]

Its insane how weak they are with rendering things like polygongs to even lower end pc gear...

[ruby needle]

or super simple

[languid beacon]

For sure shaders would need to be heavily restricted on a mobile platform

[umbral reef]

Its legit crazy

[ruby needle]

not only that

@languid beacon texture sizes 👀

poly limits 👀

[dry basin]

So we will have apple vr, samsung vr, fb vr, valve vr, sony vr

[umbral reef]

Shaders are not even that bad... If we talk about the simple ones that is

[ruby needle]

and ram

[umbral reef]

But take everything that is bad in VRC
Do that times 10
And make all the limits 100x as low

[languid beacon]

is excellent 1 texture 32k poly

[umbral reef]

Tada mobile ready VRC

[vocal shard]

Quest is also likely to be delayed.. Changed the "Coming in Spring 2019" on their site to just "Coming in 2019"

[dry basin]

what about streaming vr from the cloud

[vocal shard]

[dry basin]

cloud vr?

[languid beacon]

Hello latency

[umbral reef]

Ow- No IK evne then as the cost for that is really high for those chips

[dry basin]

lol jk but could be done

on 5g son

[ruby needle]

stream vr from the cloud.
letting latency and shit to the site.
That is cheating

if it runs on a PC platform on the other end

[dry basin]

lol jk just fucking with you guys but seriously probably doable

[vocal shard]

^

[languid beacon]

Hello monthly streaming fee

[vocal shard]

The hardware to run VR then stream it would be hella expensive..

[dry basin]

there is a low latency but now 20ms larency steaming stuff now

[ruby needle]

have that nice 10ms latency

if you have a good internet that is

[dry basin]

low latency the term means under 100ms

[ruby needle]

allready unplayable

100ms is literally useless

[queen mango]

I can play well in 200ms, wdym?

[dry basin]

I know just saying what the term means

[vocal shard]

Guys i have another question. I should be fine running VR with rtx 2070, 16 GB RAM and an I-7 4790 3.60 Ghz right? The processor is kinda worrying me if its good enought.

[ruby needle]

ye

elrie we talk about cloud service so that means input to reaction

[vocal shard]

Specialy when i head VRchat only runs on one core

[ruby needle]

not just network sync latency

so 100ms by 90FPS would mean you have 9,xxx frames of latency

[umbral reef]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxzTW3gUcAA3lr5.jpg:large btw

[ruby needle]

cus you get a new frame every 11,11111111111111... ms

what on earth

[umbral reef]

VR in 3k19

[dry basin]

actually may be possible now

check this video at 6:30 mark https://youtu.be/0BQ4bXNdEQI

shows no latency but those are ideal conditions and not vr

[queen mango]

@vocal shard VRChat runs on multiple cores actually, it's just that the stuff that are in avatars are only processed on a single core, I believe

[umbral reef]

Its on a lower end laptop though

[covert linden]

[dry basin]

dude 60fps is 16ms per frame

[umbral reef]

Those laptops already have a latency because of what they are... And same for those screens

[dry basin]

200fps is 4 ms per frame

[wraith yarrow]

can someone maybe help me in #avatars-2-general ?

[umbral reef]

But i tbh see it work for some places in a few years

[ruby needle]

inhouse based servers maybe. But down the line, mope (Linus Video)

[dry basin]

lol linus is a clown I know

I don't particularly like his content

[umbral reef]

Linus is good for getting the tech shown and there work space (comedy) video's.
He aint good for getting actual information for the tech... They are too flash news and mainstream focused for that

[dry basin]

Specially his vr is crashing video got hella flak lol

[vocal shard]

@queen mango oh ok seems kinda unoptimize regardless lol

[umbral reef]

Also- That video was legit a sponsored video...

[dry basin]

he is not good at understand the actual tech imo more of a youtuber at this point

[umbral reef]

He didnt know what to expect of Vr beside the super polished end builds you see on some video's

[dry basin]

yeah sponsored video equal like I said a youtuber now

[umbral reef]

So his setup videos where plain awefull to watch
Mainly when he bitched about the oculus wires when he could have gotten a normal vive

And then bitched the vive pro was bad while its fucking meant for companies and he said that himself... But it was still bad because its not a consumer product

[dry basin]

he had orginal stickers on ar cams on his vive pro lol

he is literally just a YouTuber now

[vocal shard]

I didn't get his vive pro review... Said is was so bad that he was returning it even though he got it free...

[dry basin]

what happens when people get into show business

[vocal shard]

Ooo yah I didn’t get it either

[dry basin]

or it gets into them

[umbral reef]

There is a reason i get my Vr news from devs...

[vocal shard]

I wish there was a better fov and better Rez on all the bf lol

[dry basin]

Maybe Oculus sponsored his vive pro video

[umbral reef]

They actually know whats up- how fucked or hyped things are and when something scummy is happening

Tbh would not amaze me if thats true 😂 @dry basin

[dry basin]

lol 😂🤣

VR is fun as hell even withouth the wide fov, but man I can't wait to try wide fov

[vocal shard]

When VR hits about 150ish degrees of vision, that'll be super nice

[dry basin]

You guys wanna hear something fucked up?

[umbral reef]

500500 on /r/vive ?

[ruby needle]

phew, we've come a long way from what headset for VRChat to here.
Maybe we wanna move to #general-media for more

[dry basin]

@umbral reef whats that?

[umbral reef]

just go to the sub reddit 😂

[queen mango]

Moderator with a power leak

[dry basin]

ok I will

[torn girder]

I don't know why but when there's like 15 people, my game lags to shit. I got a GeForce GTX 1060.

[dry basin]

Well I will post my comment in random then

[ruby needle]

what CPU?

[dry basin]

my f-ed up comment

[ruby needle]

also 3GB or 6GB 1060?

[vocal shard]

Have you lowered your vrchat graphics settings?

[torn girder]

What graphics settings?

Also i forget at the moment

[queen mango]

Upon starting VRChat, hold Shift

[vocal shard]

Hold shift when starting vrchat. I use the desktop low preset on my 1060

[torn girder]

But changing my CPU would be q huge problem because my motherboard only supports AM3.

[ruby needle]

do you have a FX chip?

[torn girder]

And I have one of the best AM3 cpus

[vocal shard]

Make sure u have multi core turned on too

[torn girder]

I'm not sure. I'm not in front of my computer at the moment.

[ruby needle]

your CPU is mainly gonna be the problem then

[queen mango]

aka the ”-force-d3d11-no-singlethreaded” one in the Steam Launch option.

[torn girder]

I use oculus.

[ruby needle]

that aint helping much tho 🤔

[vocal shard]

Yah XD helps a lot like I get 90 FPS most worlds with it

I use oculus too

[queen mango]

Well, every bit counts.. even if it's not much.

[torn girder]

I'll check that multicore option if it exists in the graphics settings.

Surprised it's single core use.

[subtle prawn]

My 4690k in vrchat with about 20 people in world will push my cpu usage to like 85%+ and loading fresh karaoke worlds with the music being downloaded to 100%

[ruby needle]

i belive you could make your self a batch to launch insted of vrchat directly and that launches vrchat with the options

but regardless your CPU is not good for vr

the FX chips are trash

untill ryzen AMD's cpu's where really bad (FX in particular)

especially in per core performance

[torn girder]

I wish I could check but my CPU is like 3 years old

[ruby needle]

the highest on AM3 are the FX series

[torn girder]

Guh. I see.

[vocal shard]

How do you get to the settings again?

What button combination

[torn girder]

I don't have the money for a new CPU and motherboard.

Shift while launching.

[vocal shard]

Oh, mine are on VRHigh, hmm

[ruby needle]

it should be a priority on your replacement list

also 16gb ram. no cheaping out to 8

[torn girder]

IIRC my ram is 16gb

[ruby needle]

with the new platform you'll need DDR4

[torn girder]

Ugh. And motherboards and CPUs are a nightmare. I can replace just about any other part in my computer, but not those two.

[vocal shard]

I has 64 gig ram not sure what cpu but rezyn something 12 core then gtx 1070 ti and it works awesome

[ruby needle]

your platform is more then EOL

you'll need a new motherboard / cpu and ram

there is nothing else to upgrade

your FX will always be the bottleneck from what you are at.