vrchat-general-2

[zinc solar]

Well, it's hard to "walk away" when people start insulting you and trying to get more people to insult you

[vocal shard]

Let’s take ethis to random chat

[zinc solar]

Well I was going to go back to vrchat conversations. Since It was what I was originally talking about until this childish argument over the definition came up

Plus twerking, so I don't care what happens afterwards. I was pinged that they were insulting me and checked it out

I'm out

[copper spade]

Did something happen?

[cold talon]

Whew lad thet was one heck of a convo

And I missed it

[vocal shard]

How can I change my username?

if anyone knows

[umbral reef]

Gotta have a steam account and use the website

[covert chasm]

@vocal shard http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/id-like-to-change-my-username

[vocal shard]

Ty

[stray trout]

Login to your account on vrchat.com and on the right side click on the blue pencil nect to your username. It'll bring up a panel

[vocal shard]

Trying to change my username, its the same thing, says the names dont match.

[pliant iron]

@copper spade you missed free cookies

[vocal shard]

Does it take awhile to update the display name after you change your name? Im not impatient, just curious. Cause ive seen tons of these problems on other games..

[stray trout]

Name change is instant if successful. You may need to relog from game with previous name same password

For it to update to show the username that you're loggin in with. If that isn't confusing

[vocal shard]

relog into the login screen it gives you?
If so idk how to go back to that, since I put always remember me =]
damnit

Or do I just reload my vrchat.

[pliant iron]

wait you can change your username ?

[stray trout]

From your home panel on the vrchat website when you're logged in @pliant iron There's a 90d cooldown to change names again

[pliant iron]

does that name also change your ingame name or just the name of the website

[stray trout]

in-game and website

[pliant iron]

ohhh, i never know you could change your name

[stray trout]

The information I gave, I may have it completely twisted around and apologize if so. The name change is explanatory though

[pliant iron]

no worries, i just remember someone told me you cant change your ingame name, thats why i’m surprise and excited

[stray trout]

After the name change you may have to login with previous name, but same password. Haven't looked into it much other than that

[raven mulch]

can confirm, you're only changing your display name/the name that you and others see in-game and on the website, but you still need to login using the username you started with 👌

[stray trout]

ooh, okie thank you for checking that out

[vocal shard]

When you change your name can you add in special symbols, like cursive text, etc.

[mighty galleon]

idk why people do that though

makesyou impossible to serch up

[stray trout]

ikr

[mighty galleon]

what do you mean "serch you up" you put your name in symbols!

same with discord

[vague thicket]

Copy-paste if their name is the same on discord.

[mighty galleon]

the problem is, how'll you get to copy their name when you're in game

[vague thicket]

Just add them beforehand or search discord or even find the same symbols online if you are dedicated.

[copper spade]

Is there someone truly that dedicated?

[vague thicket]

Depends. Yeah.

[stray trout]

If there is, I want them to train me to be dedicated like they are

[vague thicket]

I'd be. Come under my wing.

[pliant iron]

copy paste username and password works for me

[vocal shard]

Plug walk.

[errant merlin]

Is it me or is anyone else having problems seeing their friends list?

[vast tulip]

check #announcements @errant merlin

[errant merlin]

Oh okay, I looked at server status and not announcements

[lilac prism]

Hey

Go subscribe to Pewdiepie

[rigid crescent]

go away 12 year old

[queen mango]

Dude no.

[lilac prism]

9*

stu pi d

[rigid crescent]

oh nice, can we get a kick lol

[lilac prism]

Chill

[queen mango]

Never seen VRCBot playercount go that low before..

I know it's maintenance, but this kinda caught me off guard

[errant merlin]

It happens when you can't join anyone cuz the friends list doesn't show up

[rigid crescent]

It's happening because maintenance literally kicked people off the game

5500 people didn't just suddenly log off together, thousands were likely already with who they want to be with

mine looks like its back though

RIP the people sleeping in VR though who can't log back in lol

[pliant iron]

i’m still amazed with people being able to literally sleep with vr

[vocal shard]

I did that too many times

After I erp'd with some good ol ethots

OK I have too stop 😂 😂 😂 😂

[pliant iron]

is it comfortable ... ? like you dont get motion sickness or stuff ?

[vocal shard]

Eh it's actually uncomfortable af

But it works like ur face gets warm and you start getting annoyed by the lights

Ingame or voices

It's hard too sleep in

But if u're depressive enough it'll do

[rigid crescent]

It depends, there were a few weeks where I slept in VR every night

it wasn't uncomfortable for me

[vocal shard]

Oknuj sleep room

[rigid crescent]

but i can sleep on my bad coffin mode

[vocal shard]

👌 👌 👌 👌

[rigid crescent]

yeah that's a good one, i passed out in AGDQ Theater myself

[vocal shard]

Lol

[rigid crescent]

and before that I think it was Oknuj

[vocal shard]

Never sleep in a public

U get crashed or earraped

Or logged out

[pliant iron]

i dont think i’m able to fall asleep with vr ...

[vocal shard]

XD

[pliant iron]

oknuj is a world ?

[vocal shard]

It's hard, because if u're an oculus user the heat of that thing will make ur face sweat what is really uncomfortable. But I mostly force myself too sleep because I have friends that r cool too sleep with #noerpzonebtw

And yes oknuj is a world

Oknuj sleep world

Also I accidentally run into an erp orgy there once what was really funny 😂 😂

[carmine nebula]

My dell visor is comfortable to sleep in, especially on my bed tbh. Even if its WMR its not half bad

[vocal shard]

Ehhh

Imagine having a annoying cable as well

😂

[rigid crescent]

I can fall asleep in my chair pretty easily, then sometimes i wake up a few hours later in which case I'll either take the headset off and lay in bed or just hop in with it on

[vocal shard]

When I wake up I put off without noticing and when I wake up again I wonder where did it go

I'm stupid

Legit

[dire palm]

friendlist broken?

[sand cradle]

same here

[twin jacinth]

#announcements

[queen mango]

They've done maintenance 2 hours back..

[cyan breach]

Does anybody know a good movie world with movies set to play?

[vocal shard]

Went on a date with someone in real life, and later after buying her flowers, taking her to the fireworks show, and buying expensive steak dinner, she tells me shes married

I want to kms

[cyan breach]

waduheck

[twin jacinth]

That's why you split the bill and hit her with the gender equality card
i'm not paying for dinner to be a ''gentleman''
if she's not up for splitting she's not a keeper imo

[vocal shard]

I invited her, so it was my treat

But she neversaid anything about being married. Nothing in her insta or social media

[pliant iron]

its her fault then since she should mention instead see you as free meal ticket

[twin jacinth]

^exactly why you don't pay for everything unless you know them very well

[vocal shard]

Shes obviously trying to cheat, and I'm not gonna get involved with that garbage

I just dont get why people hold important information back like that

[twin jacinth]

Because they are using you

If she'd be interested in you doubt she would hit you with the i'm married card so fast imo

[vocal shard]

I know but it's so deceiving

[near saffron]

That’s people for ya

[vocal shard]

She wanted to go to a hotel too lol. But I asked the smart questions once she mentioned it

I knew something was up

[twin jacinth]

I'd straight up leave if she ''demanded'' me to pay for everything, that's a warning sign right off the bat even though you invite her

[vocal shard]

Cuz I stated specifically that I was looking for a long term relationship.

She never demanded. It was my treat. She was extremely cute and nice, and I thought we were going somewhere. I went high roller and threw all my poker chips at her

And lost by chace

Chance

And what are the odds they are married?I mean come on.

[twin jacinth]

Nah straight up tricked imo
sounds like it from what you're writing, if you invite her out sure but i'd personally never take that risk

[vocal shard]

I'm not doing it again

Lesson learned

[twin jacinth]

But hey we learn from our mistakes
yeah just don't repeat it in the future haha

[vocal shard]

Plus I'm asking specifically what her status is from now on

[twin jacinth]

Good idea

[pliant iron]

one of the reason why i dont go out on date

[pseudo basalt]

Just go on dates in vrchat

[queen mango]

That would be a worse-off bet there

You could have.. ehem, traps

[pliant iron]

sometimes no one want to talk to mutes, specially desktop one

also traps isnt really a problem, worst is someone who admit they’re under certain age when they’re actually way over

[pseudo basalt]

They're not really traps if they aren't convincing

[umbral reef]

lying about age is tbh the worse thing within games like this yea

[queen mango]

That wouldn't be much of a problem.. but some can pass off being a trap if they can mimic the woman's body language in VR

And has a well-tuned larynx

[pliant iron]

if the intention is being friends i guess its just just yellow card ?

[twin jacinth]

red

[pliant iron]

oh still red ..

guess i gotta punch my friend

[umbral reef]

WEll lying about age is lying about everything you are IMO
So how can we trust someone if they cant even be upfront about there age or just flat out say they would rather not say it

[pliant iron]

he mention everything once i talk to him for few hours, also i guess i’m the type who doesnt care that much about someone’s rl ?

(in term of asking their age; name, etc that personal)

[vocal shard]

What's ur name

[umbral reef]

I never ask that stuff for a reason
I use the ingame name because thats what id want myself
And i judge on how someone acts if they are mature instead of age like some do...

But when people do spill that stuff atleast dont lie about it and if someone asks, dont say something different

[pliant iron]

yep, thats why i personally dont mind as long their intention isnt bad

[umbral reef]

ITs the same with those people claiming they got X or Y illness while they dont

Or well- Its not the same as its less bad imo (the age stuff)

[pseudo basalt]

I usually just shrug off too personal questions

Sometimes you don't want to involve your real life persona for a reason, though asking for an age range is fine usually

[umbral reef]

That is imo the way to go about it
If you dont want to say it dont say it, just dont lie to people

[vocal shard]

Yea like oclac dying

[pliant iron]

yep, i personally dont want to be ask my name age etc so i also dont ask people

[umbral reef]

i honest to god barely even know where most of my VRC buddies are from or there age range..

[vocal shard]

Idk people always say I sound like 25, but I'm 17

And then they turn arnd and run away

[lapis sentinel]

is that not a good thing

[vocal shard]

If u wanna have a conversation no

When they run away

[pliant iron]

i understand its legal age thing ? i’m not sure if its just a joke or not

[lapis sentinel]

lol I mean sounding older not the running away

[umbral reef]

Well when you want more then just a Online relationship it for sure fucking matters.
If its just for RP reasons and stuff without the E stuff age does not matter...

But again- Thats my opinion

[pliant iron]

understandable, so basically if you have no bad intention other than being friend; then its cool

[lapis sentinel]

exactly

[umbral reef]

Well- As i said earlier
I more judge people on /how/ they act. IF someone is 30 they cna be way more immature then someone that is 14 so why would i care about the age if i want a fun time.

I dont want petty bullshit in my life and age does not filter that stuff out so
Thats why i got this opinion

[pseudo basalt]

Online relationships are kinda silly

[umbral reef]

Well in the old community i was in people hooked up and some even spend vacations with eachother IRL
One couple even lives together so far i know now

Most of the time it silly but it can be a real thing

[pseudo basalt]

Well you don't technically need a relationship

though to meet up you gotta be either on really good terms or live fairly close

[umbral reef]

Ow well i met up with some but flying from the other side of world to spend 2 weeks together aint the same as me going somewhere for 2 days and couch crashing

[median basalt]

I mean you don't need a relationship to continue existing

But a relationship is something that becomes a necessity for most people

That's not necessarily a bad thing nor is it their fault, that's just human nature

Online relationships on VRC can be awkward if they're long distance

[pseudo basalt]

Most of my friends kinda just moved back to discord and are rarely on vrc nowadays

And once that are together are in somewhat weird relationships

[twin jacinth]

[median basalt]

Also I recently learned

New Users cannot use the report function lol

[queen mango]

[median basalt]

Not sure how it is for User or Known

[pseudo basalt]

Is that what they meant by "report spamming doesn't work"

[queen mango]

User can still use the report function

[median basalt]

Yeah I guess so

Report function is demonstrably useless anyway

They also ban you for using annoying public avatars, but then leave the public avatars up

[queen mango]

I've used it while on the open beta.. on some redlighted avatars

[median basalt]

Redlighted?

You mean those larens avatars? Lol

Larens and Krogen. Prime examples, they're still up despite being incredibly poorly optimized

[queen mango]

Not just those.. there's one in particular in Loli's avatar world I took note of, but didn't remember

Dunno why they're still up.. maybe they overlooked something there.

[median basalt]

Loli_Explorer? Yeah

The report system is wholly useless

And cloning has made the performance limits useless

Have to block like 20% of the lobbies' avatars because they have 500 dynamic bone transforms on a public avatar

[lethal summit]

vrchat server down?

[queen mango]

They're up now

But the did maintenance on the servers like 4 hours ago

[lethal summit]

that explains why it jus does not log in for me... it tries but logs me out...
Ok im in now.

[pseudo basalt]

Personally I'd like if they just give you options to limit components like the particle limiter

And none of that "doesn't count if enabled by animation" garbage

[queen mango]

Yea, it woulda been a nice idea

[pseudo basalt]

Just go through all components and start deleting localy if there's more

There is no legit reason for an avatar to have 500 dynamic bones except to want to lag people

[polar jasper]

There has been said that Dynamic Bones will be added to the Safety system so you can turn it off, so just got to hold on until that time arrives

[pseudo basalt]

What if I don't want to turn them all off and instead want limits for everything

[umbral reef]

There has been loads of talk about everything though

[pseudo basalt]

Safety system helps but it's a blanket solution

[umbral reef]

unless we actually get it shown (by a livestreamer showing it off like with camera's or open beta)

[near saffron]

Wouldn’t mind render texture while there at it

[polar jasper]

@pseudo basalt A limiter on Dynamic Bones would be a very expensive process as it would have to check each component and all the bones

[median basalt]

Which it already does

I want cameras to be added to the safety system, the way cameras are currently treated is absolutely ridiculous

[pliant iron]

so the more dynamic bones your ava have the more you make people lag ?

[median basalt]

Forced to friends-only without our control

@pliant iron yes

Especially the amount of bones affected, not just the amount of components

And the devs are completely silent on a lot of large requests

Other than occasional hostility

[pliant iron]

whats the average bones avatar should have ?

[umbral reef]

0 :^)

[pliant iron]

:/

[median basalt]

Try to keep under 32 total affected transforms

[pliant iron]

noted, thanks Rokk

[umbral reef]

Also colliders do also add performance hits

[pliant iron]

colliders ?

[median basalt]

Dynamic bone colliders

For every dynamic bone collider that a dynbone responds to, you can think of it as adding +1 to the cost

So a 30 bone skirt that responds to two colliders (one per leg), will count as a 90 dynamic bone transform skirt

In terms of performance

[pliant iron]

so complicated avatar tend to cause lag to others more ?

[median basalt]

More dynamic bones and colliders means more lag, yes.

[pliant iron]

i’m kinda lost a bit but i think i understand the basic meaning

[lethal summit]

my pc is already diing from 2 avatars with 220k poligons...

[pliant iron]

need to learn more about this stuff

[umbral reef]

Polygons barely have an effect on performance though speedy

Dynamic bones, Cloth and materials effect stuff way more

and often get overlooked

[near saffron]

What about animators and rigid bodies? Have a couple of avatars that have either of them in yellow rating but do they actually cost much performance?

[median basalt]

Every component has a slight bit of overhead, I'm assuming they slapped limits on just about everything (except the IK components lmao)

Rigidbodies can be a little laggy if overused, but not if all constraints are frozen

[vocal shard]

dynamic bones i think are better(?)

[pseudo basalt]

@polar jasper what do you mean "very expensive"? you loop through the hierarchy and nuke components that are past the limit. You do it clientside for every avatar you load. This already happens with illegal components

[vocal shard]

thoought they might be rigids as well

[median basalt]

Animators aren't that heavy either IMO

Especially inactive animators yet again as used for toggle props or whatever

[vocal shard]

also @lethal summit if somebody hade 220k polgons i belive thats banable for unnecesary lag

thats TOO DAMN MANY

[near saffron]

ive seen quite a lott of high poly models and never heard of anyone getting in trouble

[queen mango]

It would be a bit too much for the GPU.. but only the lower-ended ones

[near saffron]

thats good to know tho. cuz i keep all my rigids constrained

[vocal shard]

for vr players tho

20k is already a bit much

it looks great but some people just cant

[crisp ruin]

20k per avatar is not a lot for vr

[lethal summit]

@vocal shard if so...there is a lot of ppl using that many polygons

[vocal shard]

well my computer sucks thicc butt for vr

[umbral reef]

Thats why we can use 70K 👏

[vocal shard]

i only got 8 gigs o ramarino

[lunar shell]

The dynamic stuff is what causes the lag

[lethal summit]

i saw lots of them...sadly.

[pseudo basalt]

What are you talking about

[crisp ruin]

Most lag in vrchat is cpu side

[vocal shard]

alot of people only have 8 gigs of ram but still have vr :P

[pseudo basalt]

20k is nothing

[vocal shard]

i know

but for some people

[crisp ruin]

8 gigs is fine for vr too

[vocal shard]

for me i can handle around 80-100k polys in vr before i get small buffering windows

[umbral reef]

you can handle billions of polygons lmao

[vocal shard]

but for some reason when its spread over like 10 people its fine

[umbral reef]

Any pc can handle a shit load of polygons

[vocal shard]

idk why

[crisp ruin]

Modern gpus can do hundreds of millions of polys

[pseudo basalt]

Your cpu gets choked by other things

[umbral reef]

Everything else from material to meshes (dynamic bones and cloths ofcours also as those are the worse) effect your shit more

[vocal shard]

i dont know much about deep software

[pseudo basalt]

Like nameplates being, what, 6 drawcalls each?

[umbral reef]

If we have an avatar with 10K polygons but 50 materials your pc has to work more then with 1 material but 500K polygons...

[vocal shard]

i know mid software low hardware

so im kinda "dumb" i guess

my ralsei has 10k polys and is considered excellent

[near saffron]

chances are if u computer is having a fit, its cuz of those evil dynamic bones

[vocal shard]

but it says overall performance is poor

so im very confused 🤔

oh

20 dynamic bones reccomended 0

[polar jasper]

@pseudo basalt Because you have to do the extra checks just to get the bone count for that specific component.
Not necessarily expensive, but still adds work to loading the avatar. Which already takes long enough as it is.

[vocal shard]

ok what are those

[umbral reef]

Those thinies that make stuff move

thingies*

[vocal shard]

ah

because floofy boi has to have moving ears i guess

she didnt even say goodnight back

gg boys, well get them next time

f

can we get an f in the chat for this man

[pseudo basalt]

@polar jasper I'd take that in a heartbeat. The game already checks for illegal components, can just put the checks into the same loop. And considering this runs once, it shouldn't be a big deal. My unity tool loops through all components without a single hitch.

[vocal shard]

today was a major F. got left on read by one of my other friends, didnt get a goodnight back, went on a real life date and at the end after i took her to the fireworks show and bought her steak dinner and stuff, told me shes was married.....and my vr chat girlfriend cheated on me

smh

i should just become a evil overlord that was never loved and join thot patrol

you should

also not telling sombody your married oof

yeah dude, second time this has happened to me in the past 6 months

where i live, alot of people have open relationships

[polar jasper]

@pseudo basalt I couldn't agree more really. But the best we could do now is to hope for a way to at least block it. For those that need it.
Ideally it would be best if avatar creators actually did optimise it and reduced the amount of bones.

[vocal shard]

sometimes i just dont know what the hell im doing

i go on all these dates, and none of the girls turn out to be worth the second date

[scenic basin]

Wth??

[vocal shard]

they are all either looking for a sugar daddy, someone to cheat on since their married, or they have a kid, and wont tell you until you think about getting in a relationship

[scenic basin]

If they are like this. Just don't do it again.

[vocal shard]

but im lonely, and im ready to find someone to settle down with

[scenic basin]

Believe me, I have seen that. I don't really understand these things

[vocal shard]

but im just getting unlucky

i live in a big city and these "open relationships" are driving me crazy

[scenic basin]

If so, go to someone you truly know and trust.

[vocal shard]

i just want a straight girl whos single, doesnt have kids, and isnt dating me for my paycheck

thats all i want

[scenic basin]

So I can see you are a grown up. Right?

[vocal shard]

if only i could meet someone trust worthy

yeah im 24, have a great job, and im ready to settle down

but im just finding all the wrong people

i feel like im ready to give up

i put so much effort into it all and come out empty

[scenic basin]

As you can see, i never been in this situation. The only thing I know it's time. Don't be rushed, you will be able to find someone.

In the future you will find someone. Not just don't give up. Try to go out more.

[median basalt]

@pseudo basalt nameplates are 26 drawcalls

Maybe more

More than 2.5 times as much as public avatars are allowed to have

Tfw my avatar is 2 drawcalls but the fucking nameplate is more than 25

@scenic basin not to be the pessimist here (I'm more of a realist), but there's no guarantee you'll find someone

[scenic basin]

Me???

[median basalt]

No, just

[scenic basin]

I meant to him to be patient, im sure he'll find someone with his age (or not) in the future. I know everyone hated to be patient, but there isn't anything to do.

[median basalt]

People in general. "You" as in "people"

There is no guarantee he will find anyone tbh

[scenic basin]

Who knows... we shouldn't talk in here btw

[polar jasper]

Just don't give up. Heck, people find each other in VRChat.

[scenic basin]

Hm... That could help or not, it depends

[errant vault]

To look for the right eternal companion, if their interests or hobbies are similar to yours, you may get along well.

If they play VRChat like you do, that is a good start.

Finding the right one is also challenging, but I like to take my time.

[languid beacon]

Is there way to check how many draw calls your avatar is? As I understand it two materials does not necessarily mean two draw calls

[vocal shard]

@languid beacon add the stats gizmo in the game window, hit play and check batches

disable and enable your avatar and the difference is the unity drawcalls

in vrchat worlds realtime lights, shadows and other things can multiply your avatars drawcalls so it's by no means a solid number

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/DrawCallBatching.html

oh and a setpass call is how many times the renderer has to switch shaders/materials

[languid beacon]

I had to split a material just to get no backface culling on SOME but not all tris. Wonder if it’s worth just adding double tris and saving a material

[vocal shard]

I would think so yes, a bunch of extra tris and no extra pass/swapping of materials is always faster

[river niche]

does anyone know where i would possibly be able to find the exploding nanachi avatar?

[vocal shard]

making clothes double layered is a pain through to get the layers not to clip when you bend

[languid beacon]

How likely do you all think a vive + knuckle bundle is to exist? I don’t really want a vive headset until knuckles are out in case there’s a bundle

[crisp mist]

hey you guys ive been blue for awhile (New user) how do i get a dif color?

[median basalt]

@languid beacon I don't think it's very likely

Knuckles are made by Valve who are making their own headset

[languid beacon]

@crisp mist Same way you got blue. Play, don’t get blocked/muted, start uploading your own content, hopefully making worlds that people hang out in and public avatars that people like using.

[crisp mist]

lol i spent 4 hours on unity multiple times trying to upload an avatar and i just couldnt get it

[pliant iron]

upload an avatar to your vr account ?

once you import the avatar you want into the unity and edit(?) it as you wish, just click VRChat SDK and login to your vr account

VRChat SDK -> settings -> login

[languid beacon]

Uploading content that other people use isn’t required to rank up but most people feel it speeds up the process. Private content Or content no one uses I feel does not help at all

Then again my rank went up when I bunch of friends hung out in my private world so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lapis nebula]

guys, I need a good recommendation for a usb hub that will take usb 3.0 but be powerful enough to power quite a lot of devices, any ideas ?

[sand monolith]

if you remove the toe bones, will that limit your ability to IRL reach up higher when you try to stand on your toes?

[languid beacon]

Yes, unless you have FBT in which toe bones do nothing at all

[sand monolith]

ah true, ty

[pliant iron]

i forgot i log in into my acc and just left him there and realized when someone scream “stop looking at me like that” xD

[sand monolith]

Also, anyone with an oculus know if you can disable the soft press of the B/A/Y etc buttons? Like so when my thumb rests on them, it doesn't activate a gesture in game?

[languid beacon]

I don’t think so, but, How would you actually do point / fist / relaxed / rock out if they don’t detect anything?

[sand monolith]

you can put your thumb on the joystick top that has the sensitivity

instead of resting on the buttons

or vice versa for people who like to keep their thumbs on the joystick to move around

[languid beacon]

Input emulator might be able to help you but it sounds like you’d need to write your own software for it

[sand monolith]

eghck

hard to have reliable animations on the touch

I wanna be able to fingergun but I grip things to pick up and it activates then.. so I try rock n roll but then I need to make sure my thumb isn't on the damn controller at all x.x;

[languid beacon]

Yeah oculus is great for matching your real hands but vive users having them more of a menu system makes for messy emotes on oculus

[sand monolith]

^

[vocal shard]

the way around it is to use gates

[sharp spruce]

The rock n roll one is actually inverted, isn't it? you hold with pinky and forefinger

[sand monolith]

pinky ain't even a thing on oculus

[languid beacon]

Oculus detects thumb, index, and “everything else”

[vocal shard]

set up your gestures so everything you show needs rock&roll combined with something else for example

that way you never trigger stuff by accident

[languid beacon]

That’s a good idea but would make it off for vive users

[sand monolith]

oculus though, neat idea, didn't even know that's possible

[vocal shard]

this is how oculus users never flash stuff by mistake

[sand monolith]

my commission guy told me if I make the same gesture in the left or right, won't matter, the animation would go off

[vocal shard]

so all the stuff you show is in a conatiner that is toggled by rock and roll

[sand monolith]

^

[vocal shard]

and you gesture rock&roll + fingergun for weapon A

[languid beacon]

But I’m gonna do that on all my avatars now thank you @raven sentinel01

[vocal shard]

rock and roll & fist for weapon B etc

[sand monolith]

is that actually possible tho?

[vocal shard]

yes

[sand monolith]

any tuts on it so I can show my commission person? XD

[vocal shard]

it's called gates by most people

[languid beacon]

Yeah nested game objects, outside container wants rock and roll

[sand monolith]

ahhh

tysm <3

[vocal shard]

np! have fun ❤

[languid beacon]

One issue I’m having is if my avatar has toe bones in non-FBT vr; the head wants to float directly above the tail of the toe bones instead of the hip, making the whole avatar lean forward. Unbind toe bones, issue vanished

But I really want toe bones

[delicate perch]

is it normal to be logged out of VRChat every other day?

i feel like that is a security issue

[wispy brook]

huh

i got randomly teleported to a place

[languid beacon]

@delicate perch no. It only tends to happen to specific people

It’s not normal

[rigid crescent]

Being logged out is a security issue?

[stoic halo]

ok so like is there any Red Oni 02 models i could find somewhere? I saw one of my buddies who had a Red Oni Hoppou at some point.

[real shell]

are there any like restaurant worlds

im sorta new to this game

[languid beacon]

It can also just be bad internet but yes I’ve heard from multiple people there is some sort of log out exploit. I personally take it with a grain of salt as I have never been logged out.

[stoic halo]

there is a logout exploit.

ive been logged out numerous times by it and with video evidence.

[languid beacon]

It is odd. Undoubtedly it’s targeted because it either never happens to a person or does constantly

Do you hang out in lag box? That seems to be the trend

[stoic halo]

its an exploit.

[dark narwhal]

i avoid the lag box because that where crashers love to hangout

[stoic halo]

its super obvious when the knuckles just screams the N word and everyone in the instance gets logged out

[dark narwhal]

I know for a fact that there are ways to force log out people but that is all i will say on that

[polar bone]

I don't even understand why you want to do it to random people

[dark narwhal]

idk i cant figure out the fun in that

[polar bone]

Like sometimes people crash for personal reasons but just a random lobby is dumb

[dark narwhal]

some people change into terrible people as soon as they get on vrc

"because they can"

[polar bone]

Ah the blessing and curse of anonymity

[dark narwhal]

yep

[rigid crescent]

there's been a logout exploit for months and you take it with a grain of salt lol

yes I’ve heard from multiple people there is some sort of gun violence. I personally take it with a grain of salt as I have never been shot.

[polar bone]

Who said that?

And if only

[rigid crescent]

Adeon lol

it's been confirmed by devs and everything

[languid beacon]

I feel singled out.

[polar bone]

It's fine

[rigid crescent]

Because I was scrolling through and saw that lol

[languid beacon]

The reason I say I take it with a grain of salt is most people I hear it from tended to be untrustworthy themselves.

Not saying I deny anything.

[rigid crescent]

Uh, people come in here, quite literally, every day

like total strangers, and everyone here acknowledges it as an issue...

[languid beacon]

I’m talking personal experience. Not people who don’t know a logout from a login loop.

Which is what I see mostly

[rigid crescent]

Yeah I'm counting 6 in the last week talking about it, and that's with a specific search criteria of "log you out"

[vocal shard]

I've met a few people before of them telling people's address

[rigid crescent]

It's a very common issue people experience that's been confirmed by devs lol

[languid beacon]

Personally I think people hear rumors of a log out exploit, get the log in loop that requires they manually log in, and assume they got hit with an exploit. But yeah the exploit is real. I just think a lot of people THINK they got hit with it when they didn’t.

[rigid crescent]

You typically don't get that unless you're changing worlds or logging in, unless you've been logged out or logged out yourself

[vocal shard]

we're lucky hardly anyone knows how to do that

[rigid crescent]

They literally come in like "Hey, I got logged out by someone while I was just hanging out"

"Some guy walked up to me said something rude and logged me out"

"someone logged out this entire room"

[languid beacon]

It’s just bizarre it happens to some people constantly and others never. That’s all I’m pointing out.

You’d think it would be more consistent if it’s that widespread

[torn nebula]

Probably a question of where they hang out more than anything else

[quiet prawn]

Well some people are specifically targeted. People hold weird grudges and stuff.

[torn nebula]

Your chances of being hit are much higher if you're in public instances of one of the top 2-3 active worlds all the time

[languid beacon]

I agree.

[rigid crescent]

It happens to people in publics most of the time because people in Friends and usually Friends+ are socially "vetted" most of the time.

[languid beacon]

I avoid the lag Box like the plague, I stick with full, but lesser known uploads. You get more interesting and varied new people; and trolls do not wander

Friends + can be safer or worse than public dending on who the friends of your friends are

[polar bone]

How do you friends+ if you have no friends

[languid beacon]

Make some friends I guess

[quiet prawn]

make friends in the moderately populated public worlds

[languid beacon]

And maybe don’t make new friends in lag box. It’s like the vr equivalent of dating people you met at a bar. Ironically making friends in the pug tends to be fine x)

[polar bone]

I was kinda asking as a joke, as I have some friends, but it's weird because how are you gonna make friends with those in friends+ if they're all in friend+?

Just a rhetorical question, the answer is obvious

People don't always stay in friends+

[quiet prawn]

A lot of people do.

[torn nebula]

Plenty of people roam between both

[polar bone]

Kinda sucks how the box has a bad reputation

Hyper and potato are pretty good people

[languid beacon]

Friends of your friends aren’t necessarily your friend, yet. But you both have the same taste in friends so maybe you could be friends

[torn nebula]

I'm sure the general contractor that built that shady alleyway is a really nice person @polar bone

[languid beacon]

World creators have no correlation to the people that use the worlds

[umbral reef]

The thing is though Adeon- Once you know to not go to those maps you are most often at a time where you have spoken to enough people to have friends and dont need to join that place anymore

And also- If everyone just jumps away from the popular maps, there will be new crash prone worlds...

[polar bone]

So? The point still stands

I'm not saying there is a correlation

[languid beacon]

I think no less of them

Not their fault

[polar bone]

Just kinda sad that it's known as bad

[quiet prawn]

I think it just has issues with certain hardware

The box literally kills me for a good 5-10 sec when someone joins

[languid beacon]

High texture repeats on a material is bad

They should upload one big texture with the grid repeats built in

Instead of looping the grid texture on the material

[polar bone]

Why is it bad?

[languid beacon]

It’s easier to render

And plays better with reprojection

[lyric light]

i just won my very first werewolf game, after something like 20+ games...

[polar bone]

Now win a game of Fortnite

[torn nebula]

@languid beacon is that why it causes all those wavy lines when reprojection is on?

[umbral reef]

@quiet prawn So someone joins with an avatar that fits the poor rating and has to be rendered what makes it the maps fault

[lyric light]

i don't play fortnite... -_-

[polar bone]

God the amount of people who pay no attention to optimization

I have a friend that makes nanachis, it comes in multiple mesh parts so that you can customize it

[quiet prawn]

no

[languid beacon]

The wavy lines are reprojection but low framerate in general is what activates reprojection if you don’t like it you can disable it but you’ll be sent to black screen more often

[umbral reef]

That hurts my soul @polar bone

[polar bone]

He doesn't merge the meshes, leaving like 7 skinned mesh renderers

[quiet prawn]

when it is EVERY avatar, ues

and it doesn't happen when we switch worlds

[umbral reef]

And let me guess- He has like 15 materials also?

[polar bone]

Yeah

It comes with like 15 materials though

[umbral reef]

Sounds like someone id block there avatar from while in public

[polar bone]

Unless you want to atlas it's stucj like that

[torn nebula]

@languid beacon yeah I disabled it a while ago, I find variable frame rate better than screen distortion

[polar bone]

I did atlas one though

[umbral reef]

Man cat auto atlas does all the shit

[polar bone]

no

[quiet prawn]

cat auto atlas has it's problems

[polar bone]

manual atlas

[umbral reef]

After the last atlas update they pushed i havent found any big problems with it

[quiet prawn]

thanks to cats, my model currently has a phantom material

[umbral reef]

Well- Some obvious things like emotes but éh

[polar bone]

Cats doesn't know what needs to be high quality or not

[languid beacon]

Is this lexidoll I just merged them all in blender so I have an excellent lexidoll :p

[polar bone]

It might leave the eyes blurry and body unnecessarily detailed

[lyric light]

i have a avatar that has 21 materials... but only 7 texture files and a single mesh.

[polar bone]

Get rid of the repeat materials

[languid beacon]

I also removed the 3dbut

[polar bone]

WHAT

[indigo fern]

someone say 3d butthole? 👁

[polar bone]

NO

[indigo fern]

like an actual one, or just that x they put on?

[lyric light]

or if two parts use the same file without two materials, it f***s up.

[languid beacon]

The popular nanachi base has it and nobody realizes it lol it’s bad

[polar bone]

I'll have to take a look, I did a nanachi commission for someone

[stoic halo]

what's a good world that has some hoppou models?

[stone current]

@languid beacon it a nice surprise

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

**( ͡O ͜ʖ ͡O) **

[delicate perch]

Lenny? Where you at?

[midnight warren]

Hey can anyone point me in the direction of a person that can help me join the Halo Vr Discord server? If you know someone I can talk to I’d really appreciate it. If anyone can actually get me a real invite that would be great.

[brave valve]

hi

[stiff tree]

Halo vr sounds interesting

[versed hound]

Why are servers down???

Can't login at all...

It loads till 80% then starts loading again...

[queen mango]

They had a maintenance fix several hours ago.. have you tried logging out, then logging in?

[versed hound]

I wanted to avoid that cus I have a long name but it was my next step...

[queen mango]

Sounds like you may want to do that right now.

[languid beacon]

That sounds like the login loop, @versed hound. Cancel the login so you can type your username and password over again. It should work

So this whenever it gets caught in a loop like that. Happens at random recently

It used to happen to me all the time but ever since I changed my password it never did it again. YMMV

[stoic halo]

aaa where can i find a red oni zero twoooo

ive looked everywhere and i cannot find oneee

[fading flower]

best kind of avatar?

i like asking questions

[languid beacon]

The best avatar is a custom avatar.

Unique to you, showing your own personal interests

[polar bone]

Fortnite avatars

because you can default

[vocal shard]

Nikki is obviously the best choice 👌

[polar bone]

"Is ThAt A cUsToM aVaTaR?"

[languid beacon]

Nikki qualifies as a custom avatar so I agree

[polar bone]

honestly the best avatars are those with big boobs uh I mean cute cat ears

[scenic briar]

hello everybody

[polar bone]

lamp

[scenic briar]

todays a bad day someone with a modded client seems to have logged me out infinity with a modded client if anyone know anything about these clients and how i can get my account back please dm me i dont want to post my user name here. and ive tried changing my pass word multiple times it wont work

i cant log in at all

i can only assume my avatars are being stolen as we speak 😦

[languid beacon]

[e-mail]

[scenic briar]

i sent in a support ticket but i have a feeling nothings going to be done idk why ive just never had any luck with any companys support team in the past 😦 especially when looking at account

i want to cry ive put so much time into this account and half my files are from this account have been lost from unity projects brakeing

[languid beacon]

No one here can help you, just being flat out honest

[vocal shard]

What does it say when you try to log in.

Because even with a modded client, they should not be able to change something serverside like your account

[scenic briar]

really really weird i can copy my user name from the password change email right. and my friend also typed out and sent me exactly what my username is in discord also. i can also type it myself right. none of these work.

[languid beacon]

If his account is actually compromised somehow, only support can lock it down and return it

[scenic briar]

but yet if use my email instead on the vrchat website

it logs in

why is this?

[languid beacon]

You should log in via your email everywhere it’s more reliable

But logins are occasionally screwy

[scenic briar]

you can use your email while loggin in to the game itself i thought it was website only?

[vocal shard]

The reason im asking what the game says, is because if it's just saying you're unauthorized to log in, that's a common glitch. If it's loading but never log in, a server issue, if it says you're banned, then we have a problem if they could have done that to you

[languid beacon]

Yes you can log in with your email on the actual game. This is true for most things you log in, in general, actually. Most login prompts except usernames or emails interchangeably

[zinc solar]

Yo

[polar bone]

Hello

[languid beacon]

Not specifically a VRChat question but does anyone’s oculus screens stay on all the time; even when the PC is shut down? I only get it to turn off if I actually cut the power to my tower, otherwise the headset led stays orange; a dark grey is on the screen, and the headset is warm.

[scenic briar]

that was an accident sorry

[vocal shard]

@languid beacon That's more to do with the usb power to the ports when your system is shut down.. usually tweaking power options manually so you can charge devices when system is shut down is the reason this happening.. since the oculus draws power from usb.. easiest solution is to head into power options tell it what to do with the port and that about it.

[languid beacon]

Thanks. Now I’m freaking that my rift has been powered for 6 months straight

However I leave my PC on too. I’d expect the rift to just turn off when no vr game is running >_<

[stone current]

no

[mild lark]

so does anybody know about infinite loading issues? I try to join a friend, and it ends up trying to sign in, loads, and then goes back to sign in and does this in a loop

[stone current]

stays on or at least on standby (not drawing to screen) if home is open

[languid beacon]

It’s just sitting there with grey on the screen all the time even with no head in it

[stone current]

did u clean the laser sensor thingy

with the LED next to it

it check if someone using it

if it thinks u have it on the LED turn white

[vocal shard]

Orange is standby and normal operation due to power on usb ports when system is shut down.. it requires manual tweaking for these ports to usually remain active however.. or perhaps simply your motherboards default options is to leave those ports active.

[stone current]

if not it turn orange

[languid beacon]

Yes. It goes black (more of dark grey) when not worn, just not off. In the dark I can see light coming out of lenses, but when you actually put it on it actually shows oculus home and all

[stone current]

should be turning orange

even if i leave it on vrchat it turns orange i think

[languid beacon]

If I hold my hand in front of the sensor I can see it “turn on” my issue is that even when it’s off it’s still just showing a black image instead of actually turning the screen off

[stone current]

it turns black if ur head is inside of it

[languid beacon]

Which means the headset is always warm to the touch

[stone current]

it turns white if its not on ur head

turns orange if not on head for a while or home is off

[vocal shard]

Nope.. only when a headset is off and windows is on does it stay orange, when a system is shut down it should never remain active as its still typically on just in a low power state, the sensor would only turn white when it detection motion, but alas it wont ever work because it would need to turn white aka on when gpu is active and since system is shut down it never will.

[polar bone]

Sometimes my screen will go green and stay on even though my hand isn't in front of it

[languid beacon]

The led is always orange

Except when a game is running

Then it’s white

[polar bone]

Sometimes it will happen during play and I have to unplug my headset

[vocal shard]

Sounds like a ghost xD

[regal geyser]

i also have the infinite loading screen issue, i am unable to play vrchat

[languid beacon]

What do you see? Spinning VRChat logo, or loading circle that keeps resetting? Two different issues

[vocal shard]

Couldve been warned that special symbols dont work... my name is now just a question mark in a rhombus.... smh.

[open forge]

I'm having the same issue, it goes to the login screen and to the VRChat spinning logo back to the login screen and the logo, and again, again, again...

[vocal shard]

welp

I cant play vrchat now. Since I cant put in special symbols..

And now its taking ages for me to even login to the damn website..

They legit need to add something where it doesnt allow special symbols and such, like a warning. this is pure bullcrap.

[torn nebula]

If you changed your name, log in using your original username (which will never change)

[vocal shard]

"using your original username"

[torn nebula]

Special symbols will always depend on what font is being used; plenty of non-ASCII symbols work fine

[umbral oracle]

Or login by email

[vocal shard]

𝒫ianist @torn nebula

And it just turns all that into Question marks in a rhombus ._.

[torn nebula]

Contact [e-mail] and ask them to change it again early I guess

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Use your email to login instead of your username?

[vocal shard]

Just tried, doesnt work ❤ @umbral reef

I sent the email, and now to wait

[vocal shard]

Is there way to put Unit Shadowed and a cutout setting for Cubed's shaders?

[meager solstice]

What characters did u put in that u can’t log into vrc with? Like u can’t even paste them into the login. @vocal shard

[safe prism]

i have a fully kanji name that i just use the email for

[nova jungle]

Nut

[regal geyser]

@languid beacon loading circle that keeps resetting

[weak lantern]

Login loop is back

[vocal shard]

@meager solstice 𝒫𝒾𝒶𝓃𝒾𝓈𝓉

and yes, you could =]

it just wont work

[meager solstice]

oof that sucks

[languid beacon]

@regal geyser Just cancel the login and type your username and password. you'll get in first time every time.

It will happen again after a few days, just cancel and type in user and pass every time

changing pass sometimes makes it go away forever. othertimes it doesn't.

The problem is it's trying to fetch your stored username and pass, and keeps failing. manually supplying it is all it needs

[regal geyser]

oof

[umbral oracle]

@vocal shard use the latest version of cubed shaders and use the Cubed Lite options. Otherwise I recommend another shader set such as XSToon

[vocal shard]

I am using the latest version

Dm me. I’ll be back in an hour

[fathom remnant]

Guys im planning to buy a vr headset and im wondering if i should get a vive or an oculus

[vocal shard]

They're both really good and close. It's usually up to preference

https://www.pcmag.com/compare/361805/oculus-rift-vs-htc-vive @fathom remnant

Good luck =3

[fathom remnant]

Thanks 😃

[woven tundra]

Hi hi

Does anyone know how to check your trust level in game?

Just @ me whoever answers please-

Or dm

[vocal shard]

Depends on your hours =]]]

@woven tundra in game, open your menu. Move your pointer off the menu, or until you see your avatar picture show up. It should have a colour around it and say your trust level

[woven tundra]

@vocal shard @vocal shard Thank you!

[weak lantern]

Im stuck in an avatar and cant change due to menu is missing

[vocal shard]

safety settings is ineffective, i still get crashed.

you can get crashed even if you blocked the crasher. @vocal shard

[sullen escarp]

@weak lantern press Ctrl+Backslash (the one under the backspace key)

[vocal shard]

thank you tupper and the VRC team

[queen mango]

Pretty sure, that's what crashers intend to do.

No-one to blame but them crashers for that

But I get your sarcasm..

[vocal shard]

I feel like this is easily preventable, just nothing is being done about it

[queen mango]

It ain't easy tracking them down.. can't act on them efficiently without locating the source

[vocal shard]

There has been many steps that stopped crashing methods, but since unity is so open, there's always something new

[warped dew]

Hey does VRchat have MAC support now?

Asking for a friend

[vocal shard]

Lol, throwing that in like it's a shameful question

[warped dew]

Well i'm on windows, my friend is on mac

[meager solstice]

No it doesn’t but there r ways around it

[warped dew]

Dammit

[meager solstice]

U would have to use a virtual machine

Like nividia’s

or use apple’s bootcamp @warped dew

[warped dew]

doesn't matter anyway

I'm stuck on an infinite load loop

[meager solstice]

Hit cancel and type in ur login

Unless it’s not the login one

[warped dew]

it's the login

[meager solstice]

Yeah hit cancel, type the username/password again and it should log u in

But yeah nvidia’s virtual machine should allow ur friend to play vrc on Mac

@warped dew

[uncut trail]

got kicked off

[woven tundra]

If I upgrade my steam vrchat to regular vrchat will my hours transfer over?

[sullen escarp]

yes

[vocal shard]

Log in doesn't accept caps key so have to copy paste passwords, honestly, why hasn't this been fixed yet?

[rigid crescent]

my password has a capital letter, might just be you

[vocal shard]

Are you using the VRChat client or Steam?

[rigid crescent]

what?

I use Steam to launch VRChat

[vocal shard]

Yeah but you get option to log in to either version.

if there's no number after your name then you are in Vrchat client.

[rigid crescent]

Oh not sure about that then. Still, just merge your account and then you can use the VRChat client and it won't be an issue

[vocal shard]

How do i do that?

[rigid crescent]

there should be a button under settings for it

You make a real account, then use that to merge

https://puu.sh/CBrqn/fef2e3d7a3.png

[vocal shard]

I don't have that button.

Unless i have to log into steam version?

[rigid crescent]

yeah

I mean I'm on the VRChat client and I don't have he caps issues so that probably won't matter in your case

[solemn kestrel]

im on my steam account and i dont have the upgrade account button in my settings

[umbral oracle]

Email [e-mail]

[solemn kestrel]

aye thanks chief

[vocal shard]

tfw crunchyroll premium accounts were leaked..

[umbral oracle]

What happened?

[queen mango]

Another one of them cyber attacks happening?

[uncut trail]

2.400.00mb memory off vrchat.exe 😭

[warped thorn]

Memory hog!

[stray trout]

oof

[ruby needle]

2.3 GB? That's like nothing

[uncut trail]

8gb of ram 😦

[stray trout]

If you have a little cash topped up, a 16gb upgrade wouldn't be too bad right now

[ruby needle]

That's not a lot these days

[uncut trail]

cant afford due to aussie price

2x8gb = $200

[ruby needle]

[stray trout]

oh

[ruby needle]

Get a used stick or something

[warped thorn]

Ouch. Austraila surcharge.

[zinc solar]

Swiggity swooty, Imma comin for dat VRbooty

[dark narwhal]

NANI!!!!

[woven tundra]

BRVooty

[vocal shard]

Did VRC wipe all previous avatars sometime within the last 3 months or so?

[pliant iron]

hpw much usually does used rift cost in average ?

[meager solstice]

i would say anywhere from 250-300$ just checked on ebay

@pliant iron

But idk about buying "used" VR equipment tbh in terms of condition

[ruby needle]

Why

Just make sure to clean the foam thingy due to hygiene

[meager solstice]

i mean u can always buy new foam, just like lens scatches in stuff

[pliant iron]

@meager solstice it cost $850 for the new one for my currency excluding shipping

vive cost $1.085 ish

[meager solstice]

oof

[pliant iron]

very big oof

[pliant iron]

is vr oculus rift samsung good ?

wait no, thats not a thing

whats the difference between oculus rift and oculus rift roomscale bundle ?

[vocal shard]

If you're going to main vrchat you should get a vive full body system

but if you mainly play other things get a rift

or get both if you're rich

[pliant iron]

nah, vive alone cost $1k ++

i’m not that rich

[ruby burrow]

$1k? Ouch. Where does it cost that much?

The effective price for a proper roomscale setup is virtually equal for each system where I live.

[pliant iron]

i’m changing the price to IDR, it cost $1k in the local store there

[vocal shard]

does any one know how do i fix auto scrolling in menues

[pliant iron]

thats why i’m comparing so i know which country have the best price

[ruby burrow]

In the UK the prices are nearly all identical to the US prices despite conversion rates, and it's $350 for a desk based Rift, $500 for roomscale Vive. Or Roughly $500 for a good roomscale setup Rift (once you've added extra sensor, rechargables, USB hub/extension, tripods/wallmounts).

But prices do seem to vary by locations, of course.

[pliant iron]

for desk rift is only limited to use when you’re sitting down ? not standing up ?

[ruby burrow]

Some places seem to be able to get one or the other cheaper than usual. Or struggle to find one at all.

When I say, "Desk Rift" I basically mean how the standard Rift package only comes with 2 desk stands out of the box. You can still stand up, but your tracking will need line of sight to the desk in front of you.

It's not ideal for 360 movement, and can have issues with things like the sensors not being able to see the floor unless you pull them closer to the edge of the desk. etc.

Depending on what games you're interested in, this can be fine for some people, or a total deal breaker for others.

[pliant iron]

i see, i dont think i will move that much in the game (dancing or stuff) so desk rift is better ?

i plan to use the vr for other game too (horror mostly) roomscale isnt that necessary ?

[ruby burrow]

Personally I feel like spending this much on a headset and not the little extra to get the proper room scale freedom would be a waste, but we do all have different budgets.

I like the ability to turn 360 and walk around naturally, without worrying about which way round the real world is.

Like for a horror game, you might want to turn your head to look over your shoulder, but doing that may black out your vision if you lose tracking.

[pliant iron]

but in order to have roomscale you need enough space to move around ? or that doesnt matter ?

[ruby burrow]

Have you checked the prices for WMR headsets in your country perhaps?

You don't need a large space for it to work exactly, just enough that your arms won't smash stuff. But obviously the more space the better value it would be.

[pliant iron]

yes, the price for vive here around 120k yen and rift only for 95k yen

[ruby burrow]

Minimum worthwhile roomscale space I'd say, would being able to stand with your arms in T-pose and spin. Ideal space is enough to lay down and spin.

[pliant iron]

ah, then my current room is not capable for roomscale 😅

[queen mango]

In Philippine peso, that would be around 39,999 to 59,999 pesos depending on who's selling.

[pliant iron]

i cant stretch my arms without punching the walls

[ruby burrow]

Ah.

[pliant iron]

thanks for the info Elire !

[queen mango]

There are no VR headsets being sold physically in stores in the Philippines, so people here resort to purchasing them online.

[ruby burrow]

I've not been in a physical hardware store for years now. I bought mine direct from HTC. No middle men putting the price up that way.

[queen mango]

Yea.. that's something I would like to see happening in where I am, somewhere in the future.

[ruby burrow]

Well, Rift does seem like a sensible option for you then Cheshire. Though check out the WMR headsets, 'Lenovo Explorer' and the 'Samsung Odyssey' too.

[pliant iron]

some store do sell them in store but 86% of the store will add their own price which is more expensive than the website

thanks Squishy !! will sure to check it after work !

for now i’m just aiming for the lowest price

[queen mango]

However, on the topic of WMR.. there are some Lenovo Explorer headsets I found on eBay that go for around 9,000 to 12,000 pesos

[ruby burrow]

The Lenovo Explorer in my country is only $200, with roomscale and a better resolution than both Rift/Vive, which is incredible value compared to their $500 price.

[queen mango]

Plus, inside-out tracking as I heard, so no need to setup.

Just plug it, and play

[pliant iron]

Lenovo only cost 12k yen here

[queen mango]

Ah.. that's-wait.. 12K YEN?!!

[ruby burrow]

WMR use different headset mounted tracking, meaning they can't track fully when the controller is behind your head, but it's a reasonable compromise for many people.

[pliant iron]

yeah, in USD its $110 ? so its around 12k yen

[ruby burrow]

Wow

That's crazy.

[queen mango]

Wow... that's- I don't even know how to comprehend that

[glossy wharf]

Buy 4 of them

[queen mango]

eBay Philippines sells them for, well at, the same number point, not price point.

[pliant iron]

[queen mango]

😓

[pliant iron]

i guess i have to look more option for vr

since it seem theres plenty available that cost less than vive

[queen mango]

Sounds like that Lenovo headset's a steal.. Is it bundled with controllers?

[ruby burrow]

Yeah, check out reviews on the WMR headsets. There's multiple of them.

[pliant iron]

sadly the one i search no, its just the headset

[queen mango]

Oof..

[pliant iron]

i have a cavemen knowledge when it come to gadgets so the more simple they are the better

[ruby burrow]

Previously I used to say, "Get a Rift or Vive for the external tracking", but right at the moment I feel like they're a good option, since the next gen of other headsets will be coming soon.

[queen mango]

Yea.. the controllers might fetch you an extra 100 dollars.

[ruby burrow]

They're a good entry level option for those on a budget.

Ah. Yeah, make sure it has controllers.

[pliant iron]

yeah, but the one thing i’m confused if i’m getting other than vive or rift is that “lighthouse” thing

[ruby burrow]

I'll explain.

[pliant iron]

please and thank you

[ruby burrow]

Both Rift and Vive use external tracking, meaning you need to setup their sensors or lighthouses around the edge of the room.

Rift has sensors, Vive has Lighthouses. In practice they serve the same purpose, needing line of sight to the headset/controllers to track you.

Technically they work the opposite way round, where Vive "sees" the lighthouses to track itself, and the Rift sensors "sees" the controllers and headset. But it makes no difference in how you use them.

Lighthouse tracking is longer range and wider field of view, hence why Rift ideally needs an additional sensor for roomscale. But otherwise the actual tracking quality is effectively identical.

[pliant iron]

the rift sensor is that tiny stand light look thingy that come along in the box right ? no need to buy separately ?

also what do you mean by “setup their sensor around the edge of the room” ? does that mean i place the sensors at literally at the corner of the room ?

i was planning to get rift because users said they’re more comfortable and i kinda prefer comfort than others as well

[inner cape]

I just have mine at both corners of my table

facing forward

and yes, it comes in the box

[pliant iron]

facing towards you Ghosto ?

[inner cape]

no, the damn wall

[pliant iron]

xD

[inner cape]

ofc facing towards your play area

[pliant iron]

thanks Ghosto

[inner cape]

set up is easy and forgiving, you'll understand how it works once you get it

[ruby burrow]

Rift comes with 2 sensors on desk stands. You only need to buy a third one separately if you want roomscale/rear tracking.

The usual setup is placed on the desk, but you can also buy wall mounts/tripods separately to place them further out to get a better playspace.

[inner cape]

just put them on a wall, who needs tripods

[pliant iron]

its going to be a long planning since i need to finish the pc first

[ruby burrow]

Vive comes with two Lighthouses and includes wallmounts in the box, with the usual setup being to place them in opposite top corners of the room. They cover well enough that you only need two.

Personally I feel like wall mounting any external sensors is the best way to do real VR, but it still depends if your room is good for it.

[pliant iron]

if that wall mounting and external sensor require enough space at least to walk without bumping to things then i’m afraid its impossible

or at least until i move that is

[tiny ginkgo]

Tape in the ceiling is my favourite solution. It also removes cable clutter and it makes it possible to track you more easily on the floor

[ruby burrow]

Tape? xD

[pliant iron]

i used that bread’s package clip for my cable usually

[inner cape]

one of my sensors is taped to a wall so can confirm

[ruby burrow]

But otherwise yeah, high wall mount best way for anyone that can, and takes their VR seriously.

[tiny ginkgo]

3M tape

[ruby burrow]

Creates the least shadowed zones by furniture. Reduces the chance of your own body obscuring you, etc.

[pliant iron]

so the sensors is taped on the wall ?

[polar bone]

Scotch tape and a shit ton of it

[tiny ginkgo]

Let me find you the product

[ruby burrow]

Wall to wall playspace. Can scrape controllers along the walls including the corners under the other Lighthouse.

[tiny ginkgo]

https://www.amazon.es/gp/aw/d/B07FQ3JVQ2/ref=ya_aw_oh_bia_dp?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use those.

Up in the ceiling in the corners. 3 sensors

[pliant iron]

i have brick walls 😢

[ruby burrow]

I just used the screws provided in the box personally. xD

[polar bone]

I have the Oculus, and just happen to have tables and shelves in optimal places. However, because of the tripod mount I can buy a regular wall camera mount and use that.

[inner cape]

just tape them lmoa

[ruby burrow]

Same. I have brick walls too.

[inner cape]

why is everyone so sceptic about tape

[pliant iron]

its tape xD

[inner cape]

it still works

[polar bone]

fLeX tApE

[inner cape]

and works very well

[pliant iron]

also luckily my floating shelves is coming in tomorrow so i can use that for the sensors

[inner cape]

[ruby burrow]

Because the Vive comes with wall mounts and screws as standard, so no need to bother with separate purchases. ^ ^;

[pliant iron]

thats a relied

relief*

[rotund wren]

Just gotta go through the hassle of putting them up 😢

[pliant iron]

..... is it that difficult ? just plug-in and you’re good right ?

or theres something you need to install / stuff ... ?

[queen mango]

Software

[mighty galleon]

people like me can't do the wall mounts since im not allowed to put screws into the wall

[pliant iron]

oh, if its just software installation then i can manage

[sharp spruce]

You could always do tripods or double sided foam tape, no?

[mighty galleon]

thats why i said i couldnt do wall mounts

whats foam tape?

[sharp spruce]

google "double sided foam tape" it's foam that's adhesive on both sides, usually used to mount stuff on walls without screws

[mighty galleon]

wouldn't that leave marks when you take it off?

[sharp spruce]

Possibly, but it's not a screw :)

[mighty galleon]

cant leave any wall marks

[sharp spruce]

Your landlord is nuts

[mighty galleon]

im renting a room in a house

well, i can understand their view

they dont want to have blemishes on walls they'd hafta repaint and such

[pliant iron]

tape stuff dont work well in brick wall ...

[tropic tundra]

Has anyone been to the "Sergal Homeworld" world? If so, does anyone by chance have a non-expired invite link to their discord? :^(

[turbid agate]

If i replace the loading screen music with the old one, is that considered breaking the rules.

🤔

[umbral reef]

Technically yes

[turbid agate]

😦

[ruby needle]

modifying the game files is modifying the game files

[turbid agate]

darnit

[tacit plank]

It might trigger an auto ban if you mess with the files too much

Which is party good, and partly a shame. modding can fix a lot of issues, but all these hacked clients are scaring people away from the game

[rough pulsar]

The old music was so much better.

[turbid agate]

it makes me sleepy, the old music

[languid beacon]

The music changed?

When?

[vocal shard]

It isn't just about modded clients though, the community has become toxic, there's alot of people running around bullying others and its honestly given vrchat a bad name.. wish we could just remove all the user's who are not benefiting this community sometimes.

[floral aspen]

@languid beacon the music changed when they changed the loading screen

[languid beacon]

Crap now I need a comparison

[copper spade]

Just search up the old and new theme on yt or somethin

[floral aspen]

did you not play vrchat before the change?

[vocal shard]

Old theme is such a nostalgia trip

[floral aspen]

for sure

I miss it

[languid beacon]

Just make an avatar that plays it

[polar bone]

Just play it on your phone in public transportation

[floral aspen]

it's not just the music though
I miss the old loading screen

[errant vault]

What if newer loading screen displays your selected avatar

Custom loading screen

[stoic halo]

i just blue screened

while playing oof.

[languid beacon]

Friend had an idea of putting a screen hud guide on an avatar that fades after a few seconds just quickly explaining all its hand gestures

If mostly transparent and not center of view it shouldn’t bug vr users?

[hearty chasm]

Can any dev give a statement on the current status of the Valve Knuckles integration? The latest I've heard of it was the tweet that was showing a bad integration that only allowed for the default vrchat gestures to be used and not the natural full hand tracking the controllers offer

[languid beacon]

I heard that it was a wip but I don’t know if that was an official source

[hearty chasm]

Yeah, thats why I am asking on the current status.
I would love to see it implemented like this
https://giphy.com/gifs/2A67SlaRhWNH8PVULX

[languid beacon]

Makes sense they’d get emote triggers working first , but yeah I think everyone expects individual finger control

[brittle kayak]

I got a quick question, on the VRchat trailer video they had a snow place that a person was making a snow angel. Anyone know what that map is called?

[floral aspen]

I don't remember the map name, but I know the author is TCL

[velvet quarry]

Not entirely sure if it's a public map, never been there without TCL also being there.

[floral aspen]

yeah, good point. I haven't been there without TCL either

[brittle kayak]

Ahhh, okay thank you. I saw the trailer and was wanting to make snow angels as well 😂 but ill check if the map is public thanks for answering though

[velvet quarry]

Looks like it is infact public, the world is called "Snow Forest" @brittle kayak

[languid beacon]

I know a brute force way and laggy way to to do snow like that but they are probably using a shader

[safe prism]

camera that doesn't clear it's framebuffer -> render texture -> render texture defines snow characteristics

[brittle kayak]

@velvet quarry thankk youu so much really appreciate it

[floral aspen]

yeah, what Okano said. I know for a fact they aren't using a shader

[languid beacon]

That’s pretty clever

[polar bone]

I have no idea what that means

Can someone explain

[languid beacon]

How do you disable the depth buffer? Is it a camera property?

Or rather stop it from resetting

[floral aspen]

Not sure, you'd have to ask him. I know he said it's exactly the same way they do snow in Batman: Arkham Origins

[polar bone]

@safe prism

[languid beacon]

If I understand it right it’s like when you win windows solitaire. Only the card trails are invisible

[safe prism]

i mean

i don't have the time nor energy to explain everything i just said in gruesome detail

and yes, it would be a shader too

it's a load of stuff all at once

[languid beacon]

It would have to be a shader for snow depth

[safe prism]

mhm

[languid beacon]

It changed color when deep

shaders op

[floral aspen]

https://youtu.be/87rg95XBalE

He basically did what they describe here

[safe prism]

and you move vert positions/do whatever you want based on if someone stood there.
how to find that out? well.. a camera. cameras usually will see a color or skybox past it's far plane, but you can set them to "don't clear" and the camera will never lose a position anyone ever was

that into a render texture, render texture into a shader for doing snow things.

i will go in zero more depth

[vocal shard]

Henlo

[regal geyser]

oh so i fixed my infinite loading screen by linking my steam accound with my vrchat account, seems i have missed this information, funny XD

[languid beacon]

How long has it been since it happened?

Mine came back every two days or so

Until I changed my password using the website then it was gone forever >_> probably a few ways to knock it out of the loop

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/office-server-power-lady-unplug-gif-8220789

[polar bone]

Interesting gif title

[stoic halo]

i hate when i find cool models that have dumb stuff

like i found a Nova Hoppou but it had a really annoying HUD

[vocal shard]

Hey people

[languid beacon]

Hello

[toxic moth]

are there.. limits to what you can make as an avatar

can it just be a box with a face and have it usable ingame.. or what

because 95% of avatars im seeing are humanoid in some way or another

[velvet quarry]

If you don't need it to have a normal "IK" rig, then there's no real limits to what you can set up

[edgy marlin]

Up to you bud

[toxic moth]

whats an IK rig

[velvet quarry]

Inverse Kinematics, I suppose in this case a "Humanoid Rig" would be a more appropriate thing to call it.

[toxic moth]

well, most of my characters that i would want to make as vrchat avatars are well, abstract shapes

if you know what the just shapes and beats community is all about

[velvet quarry]

It doesn't need to look human in particular, but if you want it to have arms, legs and fingers, there's a few rig requirements atleast.

[edgy marlin]

Wait, could going into the sdk scripts and changing the polycount to allow the upload of my av count as “ Modified Client “?

[velvet quarry]

You can make something that runs purely on custom animations, but it won't "look around" with its "head" properly, nor have face animations'n such.

[toxic moth]

thats not gonna be needed (for the most part)

[velvet quarry]

@edgy marlin As I mentioned in the other channel, please contact [e-mail] about this.

[toxic moth]

im talking about the IK rig part

i still havent looked into the docs other than the first few pages so i should still probably just explore around more b4hand

[velvet quarry]

https://i.imgur.com/ZMepb5s.png This is an example of a humanoid rig, which is what most VRChat avatars use, this allows VRChat to automatically give it walking, sitting, finger animations etc.

Your other option is a "Generic" rig, which requires custom animations, and won't work as well as a Humanoid, as the options are a bit limited due to the "animator" being a bit uncustomizeable at the moment.

[umbral reef]

@edgy marlin Technically yes but normally unless you really pushed it (aka it was malicious) they dont care about it from what i have seen,

[edgy marlin]

[floral aspen]

That being said, probably best not to announce in the official VRC discord that you intend to break the rules

[edgy marlin]

Cause all I am is an avatar creator that is still trying to learn how to optimize avatars and have them still look decent. Literally all I do is make avatars.

Ive already been banned Tidus

[floral aspen]

didn't know that