Yea because you represent every other person of your age :x
#vrchat-general-2
umbral reef
vocal shard
Every other person my age hasn't got what i have and are working so thats my reason 😃
zinc solar
I love how youtube has a block feature too! I was finally able to block those annoying channels that kept getting recommended even though I don't watch their content. Like H3H3, Jake Paul, Idubz, pewdipie, pyrocinical, memeolous, and other channels that have some clickbait title or irrelevant content that I'm not a fan of.
vocal shard
I get paid to be a test subject for science.
umbral reef
So then why bring it up... You legit are trying to disprove my argument and now you say your the exception yourself 💤
rigid crescent
good to know your pretentiousness died down /s
vocal shard
its not an argument, its a point of view 😃
Huh cloaked i didnt even realise youtube had that.. i barely make videos anymore and when i do its just to show off what i create.. but still, will look into that, thanks for the heads up.
zinc solar
Ehh, I just don't like how people get angry because you don't like what they like. Youtube for example, I never seen a pewdiepie video or even knew he existed until 2017 and I was ridiculed because I refused to watch his video.
vocal shard
Ah well.. each to his/her own thats the way the world should work..
When it comes to politics i can understand why people get wound up with that though.
zinc solar
It's not really a block feature, but when you hover over a channel you don't want recommendations from you can click the three dots and click "Not interested" and check that you're not interested in the video and channel
It stops all recommendations from them
vocal shard
I fell out with a friend of mine i knew for years 2 years ago over politics in this country, we was saying bad shit to one another as you do.. and a month after our argument and we stopped talking he got cancer that killed him within 3 months of it in his body.. sucks.. story is dont fall out over shit because people aint around forever, if you ever do get the chance to say sorry.. might be to late.
zinc solar
I don't know, sucks. I can't really respond well to that because of my alexithymia,
vocal shard
Right gotcha cloaked.. well its still valuable information regardless, i get it on my tv which i lay in bed and watch so i have to put up with recommendations all the time and so and so liked this channel for example, beyond irritating.
huh i had to google that one cloaked 😃 well its not something to sorta respond to emotional wise really.. i mean im not hard as nails i just accept what happens in life like fate we cant control the tides of time so to speak.. what happens happens.. mines Klinefelters, preety sure you havent heard of mine as not exactly common.. but still interesting to learn of yours 😃
zinc solar
For gaming channels I think the top 5 worst gaming community is...
2. Minecraft
3. VRChat
4. Overwatch
5. "scary" lets players```haha Vrchat on the list i see 😄 yeah i have to agree especially the clickbait with a few million views like "i should never use full body tracking" and a pic of a girl laying down legs apart in vrchat while a knuckles looks between her legs.
And as for scary that would also include all the annoying haunted channels which infuriate me as they are mostly all clickbait and fake and give honest people a bad name.. people like that are no good to anyone but mark themselves as "entertainment" so really what more to expect.. also the annoying "opening dybbuk box" as well as the Dark web boxes.. all irritating.
zinc solar
It's pretty much all the same "let me walk around, ohhh look at that avatar, look at that effect!! woops you got trolled!"
queen mango
Ah, that was "HeyImBee" yea?
vocal shard
Yeah, thats one of the reasons i stick to creation and private worlds
zinc solar
Nah never seen their video. Just from the clickbait titles and some videos I've seen when I look up "VRChat
vocal shard
.. that HeyImBee keeps appearing on my feed i dont even know who she is.. funny you should mention that name.
I'm not a great lover of streamers honestly..
glossy wharf
Ur so edgy and cool i wish i was like you
zinc solar
I know it was someone famous on VRChat
vocal shard
I honestly have standards and donating to streamers is just unreal how people do that to start with its like more money than common sense.. anyone can stream providing they have the power to do so and confidence.
zinc solar
I only donate to KibbelsnBits, my fav streamer
umbral reef
@glossy wharf seen what rokk did to a streamer?
glossy wharf
Yes but people donate and subscribe if they feel entertained
@umbral reef no and i dont care
vocal shard
yes but back before twitch people entertained others without the need to donate based on messages that get sent over to a specific channel like example: 5$ per message i mean.. its just honestly pathetic.. sure if you like that sorta thing but for me it feels wrong.
just my opinion.
zinc solar
Meh, I don't do twitch subs. No matter how good people are, the most I'll watch a stream for is 5 mins until I get bored and watch something on Hulu
glossy wharf
@vocal shard back before that you paid 60$ for a ticket for a comedian
zinc solar
Comedians work hard
glossy wharf
You obviously dont know how much time some people spend on their streams and how much effort it is, not physically, but mentally.
vocal shard
What do you mean? people still go to stand up comedy's and go out in general your saying it like its a must see show but its honestly just people behaving like others want in order to gain popularity and other streamers viewing their content and commenting about their channels which causes a flame war between users of each channel.
zinc solar
Ohh yeah because being loud and obnoxious everyday is hard work, need to entertain my fans to give me money sitting my lazy ass down.
glossy wharf
@vocal shard No im saying that its different forms of entertainment that people consume in different ways. Twitch entertainment is free on principle, and people that feel properly entertained support those people.
zinc solar
People make it stressful for themselves
and continue to use that as a way to make it seem like they are working harder than anyone else
glossy wharf
@zinc solar You have absolutely no idea how it works, maybe you should try widening your horizon a bit, theres that type of streamer and the genuinely creative ones that produce a proper experience.
zinc solar
And yet girls in revealing outfits get more views than the people you say do "hard work"
vocal shard
anyone can be a streamer but not everyone can be a good streamer, that requires work
zinc solar
"good streamer" lmao xD
glossy wharf
Oh cloaked ur that kind of person yeah, not worth trying to explain.
vocal shard
@glossy wharf While agree with entertainment factor i cannot agree with the way twitch acts in regards to policy of male/female sexism as has recently been covered with "Ellie" yet we all knew this happened they just made it very clear tbh.. yet still if your a female and you have a low cutt top or act like a tart on a camera you get more views and popularity from desperate guys.. its honestly just not a good place.. im not religious but i have morales and that to me feels like nothing more than low standards and women prostituting themselves.
zinc solar
There is no explaining, people think being lazy is hard work.
vocal shard
then why havent you done it yet
mighty galleon
moo
zinc solar
Let me give you an example. may take some typing
glossy wharf
If its so easy go and make money streaming lmao
glossy wharf
@vocal shard Twitch is a super versatile platform with lots and lots of different people, with different appeal, different target audiences. If it werent for horny 12yos those people wouldnt have a reach. All i can say is, take the time to find people that fit your liking and twitch can be amazing.
mighty galleon
sooo, what we talking about here?
vocal shard
idk we're waiting for cloaked's reply
errant vault
Something about twitch streamers
mighty galleon
venclaire, can i have your pic for my cute folder
vocal shard
let me see if i can find it
zinc solar
Lets say this? I work as a site creator, people visit everyday and I need to interact with them. The site gets so popular I cannot interact with them anymore unless they pay a fee to get me to acknowledge their comment.
So, now I have to wake up, make coffee, jump on the PC and start maintaining this site, making sure people have fun while not getting a break because I have to do this continuously for a certain amount of time. Each day I have to do something new and find some way to make sure everyone is having fun so we get more visitors, and donations. After the days end, I count up all the money and just enjoy the rest of my day.
vocal shard
@glossy wharf Well.. that from my position i guess would be difficult based on interests alone.. if i streamed it would be based on Unity, possibly teaching others providing i had the internet in which to do so, which i obviously dont, however i can watch others but its more me looking at something they do and saying NO you dont do that you do this.. as i see issues i nregards to what they are doing all the time and so i have no holdback in me but to say something, gaming is not me.. was back when i was younger but i guess the older you get the more boring gaming becomes.
umbral reef
We all know cloaked enjoys arguing for the fact or arguing and trolls a fair bit (atleast make it really look like that).
But just because its not physically work does not mean its not 'hard work'.
I had jobs where i was more drained mentally and physically while all i did was sit down and work.
Meanwhile i had jobs where i sported more during the job then after... And i was often less tired.
Streamers fit perfectly into the first part. They have to deal with loads of mental blows daily if not hourly. Can they pay the rent, gotta do taxes, what if X goes wrong? Will people enjoy this gameplay or series?
They also are supposed to make long hours and often have to invest money and energy upfront before they can even earn any views
vocal shard
omega you look like you'd have more fun streaming than watching wouldnt you right
umbral reef
@zinc solar You legit listed all the work your supposed to do and then said "Lean back and money"
vocal shard
^
I understand that cloaked i've run many many servers back in the day so i get that.
zinc solar
Because the example is, I don't have to put myself through all this but it's a lazy job I just force myself to do.
glossy wharf
@zinc solar you do realize it takes a shit ton of effort and dedication, both mentally and physically to even get to the point of leaning back that way i can also say imagine you have a job and you win in the lottery then just lean back
zinc solar
It's self employed
umbral reef
Your self employed-
Any one who is self employed has to do what you said
zinc solar
I'm not working for twitch
umbral reef
If i sell cars and just sit back watch tv all day
I wont earn jack shit
vocal shard
i mean if you're at the point a streamer like shroud is then yeah you can lean back
but getting to that point is the rough part lol
umbral reef
Ow wait! That also goes for twitch and yt! If i dont work! I earn nothing and dont grow!
errant vault
You gotta stay active
vocal shard
^ thats the rough part
glossy wharf
And even then i dont see whats wrong with leaning back after you worked your way up to the top hard
vocal shard
staying active and streaming as often as possible
glossy wharf
Its not like they stop working?
vocal shard
Tbh i have to defend the lay back part.. dont consider it like a lazy thing guys.. its not like that.. ive ran so many gaming servers in the past we had donation set up people did donate for items as they do, and it wasnt unfair pvp was pve mostly yet his statement in regards to laying back is more aimed at the "when you get a break" because its honestly a hard job talking to others aka support while running a server and also implementing code.. none of it is easy.
umbral reef
@vocal shard Thing is- He has invested soo much into his stream and imago that its stable
If he goes to slack off big time he will go down under...
zinc solar
@glossy wharf son't say "Physically" or "mentally" Streamers do not get muscle strains or put their bodies to risk, they do not become emotionally unstable to a point where they become suicidal, or stressed to a point of unease.
mighty galleon
stress can put you to risk
glossy wharf
@zinc solar you have no fucking clue.
vocal shard
cloaked streamers do get stressed lol
zinc solar
Being a streamer is honestly an unfair way for people to make money, and it requires little to no effort.
vocal shard
then why arent you doing it
errant vault
Mean comments can put you at risk
vocal shard
???
glossy wharf
Sorry to say this but you have to get your head out of your ass honestly
umbral reef
@zinc solar They do
Have you ever ran a community or server where thousands of people want something from you constantly?
Or have you played tech support for months and months?
glossy wharf
I honestly dont even know if hes just trolling at this point
umbral reef
You legit changed your statement 4 times by now what proves what i said earlier
Your arguing for the fact or arguing and trolling
errant vault
I think he is
vocal shard
nah sai he isnt, people out here really think this way. its normal tbh
umbral reef
@vocal shard You dont change your statement and contradict yourself then...
vocal shard
I did all three jobs on my own for over a year running Ragnarok online servers.. Rose online servers, RF online servers, lineage][ servers helbreath servers and more.. and i got nothing but stress from it. lol
yikes omega NotLikeThis
glossy wharf
You cant just disregard all the work it takes to even get to that point, then say its easy and lean back. Im done with this convo, theres no point in arguing with someone ignorant.
mighty galleon
lets argue over if we're actually alive or just in a similation?
zinc solar
Actually people work hard to do their jobs. Doctors, construction workers, lawyers, etc but yet these lazy asses make money just from sitting their ass down and being fueled by kids because they are loud and obnoxious.
You guys just want to make it seem like "they are putting their mentality and health on the line" when in reality they are just lazy AF, and use that excuse to justify their time. Really, people in this generation glorify laziness and stress so easily into thinking any small effort is so stressful.
errant vault
I wonder how Udon is going to transform worlds
umbral reef
Tbh i feel bad for tupper and the devs at this exactly because of this
Its a known fact for indie devs. If you add, change or remove something the community will ALWAYS be angry and negative about it. Its never perfect, they liked the old exploits and they loved the system.
vocal shard
then why arent you doing it cloaked
Well as for streamers for me.. well i know how much effort it takes to maintain all that.. to be fair it would be more of a problem for me as you have to follow twitch guidelines and i cannot follow anything to the T .. i cant because i have freedom of speech and i wont be silenced.
say one thing wrong on twitch and you're gone 
glossy wharf
Doubt
I talk shit about the platform and its decisions often enough and im still there xd
zinc solar
Because I was raised to do actual hard work for my income. I work 2 jobs, and everyday I have to endure with muscle strains, and stress just to manage.
vocal shard
Its the same as using pep here with the way pill handles it 😄
umbral reef
@zinc solar I program healthcare robots.
I make 45+ hours as an intern even though im supposed to make 35....
I travel all over the country, helping people who cant even press a button to do high end repairs. Have to often respond within minutes on my free time and have a work load so high that if im gone for 2 days we are behind a weeks of work..
Running a 12K user community with extra content and ect was more stressful and a worse job.
vocal shard
but if its so easy to do why dont you do it on the side cloaked
tiny ginkgo
That seems unhealthy Cloaked. Why do you need two jobs?
vocal shard
obviously its low maintenance and easy
glossy wharf
@zinc solar graphics design, programming , 3d modelling, video editing, all not jobs right? Cause you just sit on your ass in front of a pc right
zinc solar
They both pay well, and helps me with my house
glossy wharf
Work isnt always just physical.
vocal shard
Oclac if you are responsible for installing windows xp on NHS i automatically hate you.
lol
zinc solar
@glossy wharf Those jobs require skills, and learning. Next
errant vault
Work for HR
tiny ginkgo
I guess if you feel stress and muscle strain is worth it...
umbral reef
Doctors also have a fairly easy job.
The road to being one is hard, keeping up to date takes effort. Doing it? Eeee not really with all the benefits they get.
Construction workers? Shit did something like that for half a year myself, fully depends how muhc of a lazy ass you are.
Lawyer? No idea tbh.
glossy wharf
@zinc solar so does becoming an entertaining big streamer, next
umbral reef
So weak argument there also
zinc solar
@glossy wharf Ohh yeah, getting a degree in streaming, and taking a college course for it. Do you read what you type?
umbral reef
I also hang up air conditioning units in my free time. I work loads
vocal shard
shroud, ninja, and dr. disrespect both spent like 6 years getting to the top where they are lmao
umbral reef
Im far from lazy
I still respect loads of fulltime streamers
zinc solar
Although, I think we should all move this to #general-media before the mods get mad that we're off topic
mighty galleon
oh we're in general xD
vocal shard
I get paid by the government for research purposes so i cant really speak out on the work department.. but when i used to work i used to do all manual labour in warehouses mostly.
errant vault
Udon is next topic here
zinc solar
Vrchat generl lol
glossy wharf
umbral reef
@zinc solar
You cna study for
Social media management
Business class
Project management
Social studies (Or other high end help desk or service desk jobs)
glossy wharf
Im gonna leave it at that
mighty galleon
ive met an actual true believer of flat earth
vocal shard
heh yeah we are kinda in the wrong channel..
dude my friend's dad believes in flat earth
umbral reef
You are the uninformed one
Sai works in both a 'hard job' and streams
He knows the world well...
I have worked and currently 'work a hard job'
But also did the easy thing and am closely related to someone who runs a YT channel IRL.
zinc solar
@umbral reef Because every popular streamer did that. stop looking for an excuse.
vocal shard
most of them did honestly
its not like they popped out streaming and got 5000 views lmao
8 months ago i was commissioned in here by a well known youtuber to create a map for him based on the knuckles epidemic we had.. i was game for it at the start until a few friends of mine warned me about him.. despite who he was i stopped and had to be honest and say that i cannot make the map for him.. since then he hasnt come back to vrchat with any content i guess he got the message.
umbral reef
Did what? Work a hard job?
They did not want to be a work slave... And again- Its an insanely financially risk turning into a full time streamer. There are thousands of streamers out there who will never be extremely popular. Its takes loads of effort, grinding and luck to become the streamer you talk about.
Im not talking about Shroud, ninja, DR and ect
mighty galleon
lots of people are picky bout who they watch
zinc solar
No you brought u cna studies as an example.
umbral reef
Plenty havent done that- Some have.
tiny ginkgo
I once had three viewers on my stream. I retired at that time, when I was at the top. Peak performance.
umbral reef
Plenty take the company courses online once they make the big step
vocal shard
lmao
mighty galleon
good nass lol
zinc solar
Not really. Most people would just look at others and copy what they do.
Hoping their take on it gets views
umbral reef
Not really...
vocal shard
lol
umbral reef
But if you are SUCH an expert why not do the lazy job and stream yourself?
vocal shard
streaming is easy just talk 4Head
umbral reef
Just play games 4head
zinc solar
Because, I'm not going to degrade myself to lazy work. I already pointed that out.
errant vault
Play and don't talk
zinc solar
I prefer an honest days hard work.
vocal shard
it sounds like you should with how easy you make it sound
umbral reef
Why not do both?
vocal shard
stress free lazy work and a bigger paycheck?
zinc solar
I work 2 jobs with rare occasions of getting 1 day off.
umbral reef
And working for honor-
Nice fucking meme if you did that you would not be here but working for charity for free right now
vocal shard
why work two jobs and get paid less when you can just take the other route
umbral reef
Stream in the weekend?
errant vault
Some people don't like commentary gameplay
zinc solar
work on the weekends
lapis nebula
Morning all
zinc solar
Run kry
lapis nebula
Why ?
vocal shard
gmorning kry
lapis nebula
Fbi here ?
vocal shard
yes
umbral reef
Also- With the 'easy' money you can help other people.
Then it should counter the negative effects with positivity
mighty galleon
ima go back to my domain, where i rule
zinc solar
We're having an argument that will not affect anything other than 40 people vs me
lapis nebula
Oh goody, do they want a tea or coffee ?
umbral reef
@lapis nebula Apparently streaming is the most easy job ever- Beside that only cloaked thinks that
vocal shard
just talk 4Head
errant vault
I want Green Sphere
vocal shard
ive legit seen a streamer do what cloaked's been talking about for the past 2 years and he still doesnt get more than 5 viewers
umbral reef
Just listen to cloaked and become a billionaire within a day and make the perfect game 4head
rigid crescent
why
vocal shard
ive seen multiple*
lapis nebula
Streaming is moderately difficult, but, requires dedication and good character, sitting there saying fuck all isn’t a good streamer
vocal shard
^
rigid crescent
why do you continue to reply to cloaked?
vocal shard
cause im bored
umbral reef
Same tbh- Waiting for food to be ready
errant vault
Udon is still in the microwave
zinc solar
Okay Oclac, give me a job that requires no experience, no physical effort, no degree, making your own schedule, and all income goes towards you.
rigid crescent
stop and theyll leave
umbral reef
And thats in 5 mintes so 👏
lapis nebula
I’m shit at streaming, i just sit there afraid to speak incase i look bonkers
umbral reef
@zinc solar Help desk work
lapis nebula
@zinc solar became a carer
zinc solar
@umbral reef "All income goes towards you"
lapis nebula
Become
umbral reef
Indie game dev
errant vault
That's me
rigid crescent
you just encourage them. literally dont reply lol
umbral reef
(Also not all goes to you... Thats not how it works)
errant vault
Mine is still in the works
vocal shard
twitch takes 50%
lapis nebula
Sit on street and beg, 100% income
umbral reef
I just love how cloaked can make themself look silly towards all new users every time they bait us into arguing 😂
zinc solar
Indie game devs require taking studies to make a game, unless you're talking about a crappy indie dev that rellies on clickbait
umbral reef
No it doesnt
errant vault
I haven't gone to college for game development
zinc solar
Never baited, I just said Streaming was a lazy job and everyone got butthurt over it
umbral reef
If you learn programing from school you wasted 3/4 years of your life for a paper and nothing else
lapis nebula
A lazy job ??? Tell that to jacksepticeye, barnacles nerdgasm or pewdiepie lmao
zinc solar
Now you guys are trying to justify it with "well streamers have to make their breakfast and find out what outfit they need to wear, plus it's so stressful because they need to find the right amount of silliness to please their fans"
errant vault
Playmaker is also good on scripting if you don't know much
vocal shard
cloaked you're only thinking about when you're at the top
not the time or goals it takes to get there
zinc solar
Well that's the people you are talking about.
errant vault
Go to bed
vocal shard
no lol we're talking about streaming overall
everything that goes into it, from day one to the end
umbral reef
Guys- He works two jobs! He for sur eknows how jobs work!
errant vault
I assume both are part-time
zinc solar
Yeah, people force themselves in that situation and ruin their lives trying to become popular so they can become lazy. It's their own fault for doing this to themselves and they do not deserve any sympathy, or justifications for their choices and actions because their goal is to finally become popular enough to just turn on their stream and make easy money from people who watch them.
umbral reef
Most start up companies, invest and ect once they can...
zinc solar
Oh yeah, I forgot "merch, and gear"
mighty galleon
besides captiansparkles, he just buys exspensive cars
umbral reef
They wont have to work untill they are 60 because they earned enough and keep earning enough with investments
zinc solar
Doubt it, streamers start buying unnecessary expensive crap and will usually "flex" on their fans
umbral reef
Those are the dumb ones-
mighty galleon
thats even a hard worker and poor people
umbral reef
Same wih rappers- The ones who dont flex got the money
mighty galleon
i've seen so many people go into debt to get the newest jordans or what ever
zinc solar
Got to get that supreme ninja gucci buttplug merch he flashes on the screen
mighty galleon
who even is ninja?
vocal shard
popular fortnite streamer
mighty galleon
oh
zinc solar
Some guy who got famous for playing with a rapper
errant vault
Meh
foggy crescent
So nsfw stuff is allowed in private rooms?
safe prism
it's only enforced if that content is shared to the public
foggy crescent
Ahh, got it, I just want to make sure I can’t be banned for it
lapis nebula
@foggy crescent considering what’s in MY world and I’ve not been banned, your okay
foggy crescent
OwO
lapis nebula
It’ll always be private though
lapis nebula
I keep expecting vrpill in my world wagging his finger whilst glaring at me
zinc solar
@foggy crescent People can still report you in private worlds though.
rigid crescent
odds of punishment for private world stuff is low
zinc solar
pretty much, but situations are still reportable
zinc solar
People can still be reported and temp ban even in private lobbies, I've seen it happen
safe marsh
Coz of "friends"
zinc solar
You avatars thumbnail can be reported by Randoms, and friends. As well as some people who feel uncomfortable with the activity in private lobbies.
zinc solar
Lot of people are too stupid and just want to bust a VRNut
Hell, even a naked avatar if there's an obvious nudity, and cleavage you can report that
Hence when I make ERP avatars I always put a box with a random image, or a close up of the avatars face.
zinc solar
But if the person irritates me with their request I will not fix there thumbnail
No need to feel ashame, a lot of loners do it on this game now.
Hell, people started uploading their stuff on cornhub now.
lapis nebula
I always warn of my world being nsfw tho
still lark
"tho" doesn't stop someone reporting you tho. :P
meager solstice
True ^
light wedge
i just look for speech recognition and text to speech. anyone you have one?
empty wharf
Nope. I’m not a mute
languid beacon
> indie game dev requires taking studies to make a game
No it doesn’t. I didn’t know any blender or unity before I joined vrchat. Now I’ve used unity to make simple puzzle games that are higher quality than some trash that gets thrown on steam at least.
vocal shard
"unless youre talking about a crappy one"
languid beacon
I think there is a somewhat of a gap between thinking you need some sort of education to make a video game and it isn’t something that you can teach yourself, and thinking you can make a AAA game and millions of dollars without going to college for it
It is entirely possible to teach yourself game development. College degrees, when it comes to the the subject of the tech industry, are largely scams.
vocal shard
you need to study anything to become good at it, now that doesnt necessarily mean you need to get an education on it, you can study it on your own without having ever taken a single class
languid beacon
You don’t go to college and pay thousands of dollars to learn. Colleges teach you nothing important really. You pay all that money for a paper that says you already know it.
dark narwhal
Too tru
vocal shard
my college hasnt really thought me anything 
in my last year doing introduction of html for the 3rd time
good thing i didnt pay for it, and i get paid for it tho also a good thing that one of my classmates is pr much a god and he helped me get started to learn on my own at the beginning
ive seen some colleges actually teach people something tho one was from the uk and the other was in signapore
help learning rather than teach actually
and by help learning i mean heres the assignment figure it out how you do it
languid beacon
Colleges are a scam, but they are unfortunately necessary as a product of tradition. Companies want a way of verifying that you know something. Colleges used to verify that but also properly teach you the thing. These days they just verify it and take your money with crappy professors and do the least legally necessary to make people feel the curriculum was worth it.
vocal shard
i mean some people need some kind of motivation to learn i guess
languid beacon
You’ll actually get much better professors at online or adult colleges intended for people who are already working because they aren’t targeting fresh high school graduates who are still kinda stupid and expecting to just go though the motions of college
So they make their business with people who know if they are wasting their time. You can fool a kid with useless homework/assignments but not so much an adult lol
vocal shard
languid beacon
I’m done my rant :p
tiny ginkgo
I guess there must be some media attention and streamers make popular videos with VRC. It's a positive loop.
umbral reef
DyNiNg CommUnItY
hollow umbra
was there? @tiny ginkgo
karmic talon
Indeed, definitely dying
vast tulip
rigid crescent
tiny ginkgo
Hi Mimi, doing super wonderful. How are you?
umbral reef
About to get some food so doing great
warm swallow
tiny ginkgo
I got my evening view of the mountain side and my best friend by my side
Life is pretty good
hollow umbra
how long until togglable dynamic bones
delicate stump
toggable unity script basically?
hollow umbra
it's something vrchat planned to add eventually
ocean mirage
rigid crescent
"eventually"
rigid crescent
funny because everyone else thought soonr lol
nimble linden
When they took them out, it should have taken them like a month at the most to fix it I would have assumed
Instead it took several
rigid crescent
Well the reason why people thought it would be sooner is because we were told sooner lol
but honestly chairs are already dying down as a gimmick. Week 1 they were everywhere, week 2 they were less prevalent, and here we are on like week 4 and i rarely see them outside of chocobos and a couple of "hey there's a chair on my otherwise normal avatar" people
Kinda figured they would, people's attention span is short lol
vocal shard
Anyone here?
tiny ginkgo
A bit
vocal shard
I have a major problem with VRChat that makes it unplayable for me. Can someone help?
It's fucking annoying.
twin jacinth
What kind of problem?
vocal shard
Basically.
VRChat works alright. It works fine in desktop mode and VR mode but as soon as I turn on my Vive controllers, I almost instantly disconnect from the servers.
I just time out.
This has always been an issue but now it's got to the point where I can't even put up with it. It just fucks up instantly.
I have no idea what's going on.
@twin jacinth
twin jacinth
Beyond what i know, never heard of that before
vocal shard
This never happens on any other VR game or application.
tiny ginkgo
That's really odd. I have no idea about what to do in that situation
vocal shard
https://steamcommunity.com/app/438100/discussions/5/1621726179586525138/
This is really the only thread that describes my exact problem I can really find.
But aside from that.
Nuthin.
What do I do here?
barren echo
That's strange. Does it still lag out if the controllers are already on before you start?
stiff steeple
vocal shard
Yeah.
If I turn the game on VR mode and use the keyboard it works fine but as soon as I turn on the controllers I disconnect.
The longest it can go without disconnecting is maybe a few minutes?
@barren echo
still lark
@stiff steeple Nice 3 accounts you've got there
stiff steeple
Xd
opaque hawk
What frequency band does your wifi and controller run in?
vocal shard
I have no clue. How would I go about checking that?
opaque hawk
checking specs on your router and controllers
glossy wharf
Yea the vive base station floods your room with light and it interferes with your wifi signal
Try looking into powerlan
Its basically ethernet over your powerline
With two adapters
vocal shard
The problem is. The electric circuit in the loft is different to the one down here.
glossy wharf
Mhh i see, no chance of using a repeater outside of vr playspace to catch the signal and then use ethernet?
glossy wharf
Its a tricky Setup but seems like your best bet atm
vocal shard
Indeed.
true sky
@stiff steeple funny thing they advertise their canny post in an already open issue: https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/logout-exploit-3
stiff steeple
@true sky xd there was disconnect code rly, thats why I posted it here
languid beacon
The log in loop has nothing to do with an exploit.
I don't know why you keep repeating that no matter how many times people tell you otherwise.
And when people do tell you this, you don't respond to it at all, and just repeat yourself again a few hours later.
rigid crescent
Yeah, @true sky has does that quite a few times. They've spread bad info before and just kind of ignore you when you prove it wrong.
vrchat in a nutshell tho
true sky
but yeah, best to not spread the code around. they probably deleted it for security reasons
languid beacon
1.) The login loop is not the result of an exploit. I don't know why you keep repeating that no matter how many times people tell you otherwise. And when people do tell you this, you don't respond to it at all, and just repeat yourself again a few hours later.
2.) Security exploit discussion really doesn't belong on Canny. You aren't going to get feedback/devs talking to you about security issues on canny nor on discord, really. If you think you know something the devs don't already know, send them an email. But chances they probably already know about it and there's not really anything worth discussing.
true sky
havent mentioned it till a repost of the same canny and advert to another canny leaking code snips
languid beacon
You've been linking the same canny post for litterally months.
true sky
didnt say the loop 100% happens
languid beacon
It's entirely unrelated
Unless you're trying to make people think getting the log in loop means they were "crashed/hacked/forcelogged out" which is entirely wrong and will just lead to lots of false reports.
true sky
the loop maybe another issue entirely, but didnt say it was the root cause of the problem
thick dew
I agree with Adeon, however, VRChat is still far from "secure"
At least they're finally taking reports more serious and trying to prioritize security, I hope
security was practically a non-issue for them before
true sky
without some canny posts, most clients from a year ago would still work
thick dew
i havent checked the code recently, and i wont any time soon, as well...there's a lot of it.....but hopefully they prioritize network and port security
true sky
at least shows vrchat is doing something about cracks in the photon server
thick dew
an modified client could easily bypass a lot of things, and even an amateur """""hacker""""" could get through to someones pc with vrchat
umbral reef
The most easy ways have been removed for that.
thick dew
yeah i think they finally realized that their rudeness and arrogance isnt going to help the game at all
well then let's say an intermediate """hacker"""
thats good news though
true sky
cant fix all security, but good to patch so not all kids can easily find it
still lark
I feel like I'm reading a lot of bullshit.
umbral reef
Well- Most stuff they build is fine
Most stuff they use from other and have to set up cause the problems so far i have noticed
rigid crescent
you are.
rigid crescent
The loop is unrelated to being logged out, period. The only connection is the fact you're logged out and have to log back in, so the loop can happen.
thick dew
oh sorry youre on about something else
rigid crescent
oh not your stuff, the other garbage
thick dew
i apologize
rigid crescent
Yeah they know plenty of the exploits with the game, most likely things no one's figured out as well. I'm sure the canny posts help, but plenty of the issues they've fixed were known even without the canny stuff
Wondering how long until the new avatar "touching" is "accidentally" removed 🙄
thick dew
@true sky true, before the devs used to believe vrchat was 100% perfectly secure and that it's wholly possible to make something 100% secure......that's just not true
im glad they realized otherwise
still lark
@rigid crescent new avatar touching? 
sounds lewd
umbral reef
They never believed it was 100% safe they just claimed it was.
Every dev knows that anything you didnt program can become unsecure any second of the year with exploits found in other places...
rigid crescent
lol I remember a friend last year who did Bad Stuff™ would get get people to ask devs "is this possible?" (one example being avatar stealing after the first big "fix" they had) and they said no, then he immediately did it in another room.
thick dew
i was tempted to do that
its very unprofessional to act the way the did when i mentioned this forever ago
umbral reef
Tbh most of those claims have been dumb and they resulted in insane amounts of peeps not taking the devs serious anymore
rigid crescent
Yeah, they react poorly to people exploiting the system with the intent to help them point out flaws
thick dew
exactly ^
true sky
At least a good thing fixed is people joining you in private rooms, skin snatching, and use of logout exploiting where you are actually logged out
rigid crescent
that's why he quit trying and just dropped a bunch of Bad Stuff™ for others to use lol
thick dew
exactly to Oclac, discord is lagging to all hell
vocal shard
discords api is having trouble, no one could login earlier
thick dew
i wanted to put all of my technical knowledge and know-how to use and rocket-booster the speed at which this game progresses, but i cant work with people like that....
umbral reef
Im one of the last to give the team and staff unfair bullshit
Im one of the first to call them out on dumb shit at the same time
still lark
Well you can, you're just too stuck up.
rigid crescent
Stuck up? It's called standards m8
They're very, very circlejerky and resistant to outside influence from what plenty of others have said. I really doubt multiple unrelated sources all conspired against them with the exact same/eerily similar comments
umbral reef
Its not about being stuck up or egoistic or anything like that...
Its about not being taking seriously @still lark
Now if my msgs could post the first time that would be nice
covert linden
My discord has connection problems foe an hour at least once aday lol
still lark
That sounds like a you issue, this one is world wide. lol
thick dew
@still lark stuck up? im the farthest thing from it, actually. Assuming thing's makes you seem less intelligent and you lose credibility.
umbral reef
The discord problem is worldwide
Check there api records and there twitter my dude
thick dew
unless you meant someone else....but their points still stand and are 100% valid
true sky
Jan 12, 10:49 PST``` From discord status pageYeah, theres server ones ofren tho
vocal shard
Yeah and me spamming them its fine now. i was able to login.
umbral reef
@still lark But how is this about being all of us stuck ups instead of being ignored and not being taken serious by the devs?
still lark
Jesus christ, I only said taco is stuck up, not you, not anyone else.
vocal shard
leave scruffy alone he is scruffy it isnt his fault
umbral reef
We fully agree with him though and we have done the same actions as he has-
So unless im not stuck up because you know me its odd...
vocal shard
he just needs to be ironed out xD
rigid crescent
I mean how are they stuck up? Just replace "all of us" in his question with "Taco" lol
thick dew
@still lark yeah im not stuck up, idk what gave you that utterly disgusting idea
you seem like a very rude a negative person, go correct yourself and your manners and how you perceive things
still lark
lmao
languid beacon
I think I know who Taco is.
vocal shard
lmao.. my surround sound system just fell off the shelf and scared the shit out of me.. to much bass i guess.. subwoofer is vibrating so much .. either that or im haunted by something whoknows lol
still lark
I don't think you needed the /s 😉
true sky
thick dew
Fine fine I'll take you bait, only because it's delicious
I put the /s because you've clearly shown the inability to critically think
So if you're done trolling we can carry on
umbral reef
@thick dew You realize you just lowered yourself to his claims right?
Or atleast that your less mature...
vocal shard
maturity comes with age kiddo's
tiny ginkgo
There's a distinct lack of love in here
still lark
I didn't mean stuck up anyway, wasn't the right term for what I wanted.
vocal shard
no intellect required
thick dew
anyway peace and love ❤
tiny ginkgo
More peace and love would be wonderful. The situation is harmful to everyone ❤
thick dew
@umbral reef thank you for showing me the error in my ways
vocal shard
Peace & love.. i love you nass :3
umbral reef
Time to get starting with alcohol here 👏
Lets hope i dont have to provide tech support 4head
thick dew
@languid beacon ok nevermind then. Idk why you don't like private conversations, forget it. Fuck is wrong with people in here
thick dew
Sorry I'm just tired of these toxic cancerous blights that claim to be "humans" tainting our world
still lark
That's a big yikes from me
vocal shard
Nothing is truly private in here when you have people sharing conversations with timestamp in public. such is the way of discord.. never share your thoughts with other randoms 😄
thick dew
well if you share a private conversation youre just a scumbag, lol
languid beacon
Script kiddies are litterally the worst. Not because of what they do, or what they think they can do, but just the whole personality surrounding it. Entirely unlikable people
thick dew
They are pretty horrible
vocal shard
agreed taco but that's one of the reasons i dont talk to people i have just met in private
languid beacon
At least we agree on something.
vocal shard
its been known to happen.
thick dew
Well it's okay, unfortunately, my life experience hasn't given me any reason to put hope in humanity, but I'm not going to let the bad ones bring me down, although my world-view is wholly negative because people essentially gave me every reason to see it this way
tiny ginkgo
And that's okay
thick dew
That's the major reason why I try and spread love and kindness, good deeds, whatever, whever my existence takes me
tiny ginkgo
We can't change our lives and past experiences
vocal shard
your life experiences define the way you are in the present its true.. and its also hard to see the positive when all you have got in life is negative.. hard to put a brave face on it.. but thats life.
vocal shard
Tacocat.
tiny ginkgo
There can't be love without hate, but there's plenty of that around so I focus on the love
thick dew
LOL omg yes
tiny ginkgo
And yes. Kittens are the best
vocal shard
What goes around comes around - Tacocat. Like a hourglass with one side saying death and the other life. one is not complete without the other.. dont let the sands of time slip into the abyss of time.
thick dew
there cant be love without hate, beauty without hideousness, good without bad, positive without negative
@vocal shard well it seems karma is finally repaying me for all the good i've done....long overdue imo knocks on wood for goodluck
tiny ginkgo
Exactly. How can we appreciate beauty if it is all we have
languid beacon
You aren't blocked, Taco. I have my DMs set to friends only.
vocal shard
Well taco.. good on you because i became corrupt due to my life, i envy you in a way 😃 still we are who we are.
thick dew
@languid beacon My apologies then.
tiny ginkgo
❤
thick dew
I'm nobody special. I'm not religious but I believe in God and such, and I think it must be some otherwordly force keeping my sanity in check and keeping me on the right path
tiny ginkgo
Have a hug Omega
inner cape
what is this edgy talk 👁
tiny ginkgo
It's quite the opposite
vocal shard
I believe in life after death although not exactly a life as such.. more about a plane in which we exist on in which all religions mention.
thick dew
philosophical talk * 😛
vocal shard
not religious though.
inner cape
#general-media with ya, fools 
thick dew
interesting view
deft falcon
pizzahut? Youre my favourite pizza placeee
tiny ginkgo
No religious talk though ❤
deft falcon
dominos? Youre my favourite pizzaaa placeee
tiny ginkgo
Ok... Dad
inner cape
its still not vrc related 
vocal shard
im a scientist on that level..
deft falcon
911? IM NAKED
tiny ginkgo
ruby needle
vocal shard
Buzz killington steps in.
zinc solar
Were mah scrubs at?
safe prism
you can find a lot of scrubs in your bath or in a hospital
almost every medical employee in a hospital has scrubs
you might be able to buy some for yourself as a local store, or on amazon
there's also scrubs like you might use for hygiene on amazon, you might end up enjoying how they make you feel
zinc solar
Damn that sounds like some good scrubs to help clean the grime on my bathroom tiles. Thanks!
Now we're mah peeps at?
safe prism
usually you can find peeps in grocery stores, especially around easter time.
if all else fails, amazon.
also please eat them in moderation
zinc solar
Love peeps.
Well were my people who love to argue with me
safe prism
probably in #general-media
neon flume
VRChat is pretty popular this weekend, 9.2k users according to the bot and that's just steam users too!
inner cape
i dont think its steam users only
or you mean, people with vrc account but who use steamvr?
neon flume
Oh yeah my bad, I meant people who launch the game via steam as opposed to the Oculus store.
vocal shard
Ok I need help fuck these oculus controllers right now. Can someone help me with this steam vr controller not tracking issue
I’ve deleted and reinstalled steam vr. I’ve restarted my pc multiple times. Google ain’t much help. I tried different versions of steam vr
What is wrong with them. Oculus tells me the controllers are fine so why isn’t steam be
rigid crescent
It was actually more active last weekend, but it's still pretty early in the day
🍹 early enough that I haven't poured a drink at least
vocal shard
👌
tardy ridge
There is a guy following us around using a crasher to disconnect us from the server, we have video proof, how do we report this?
vocal shard
@tardy ridge same here.
tardy ridge
He talks shit to people
vocal shard
Not sure how they do that.
true sky
tardy ridge
Little green avatar?
true sky
send outputlogs as well
neon flume
Pious do you see your controllers in the steam vr window?
Resver checkout #moderation-reports. I believe all the information for submitting a report is there.
vocal shard
"I'll kick you in 3 ... 2 ... 1" Disconnected
I thought they were just threatening me.
tardy ridge
Its a public avatar too lmao
vocal shard
Threatens to kick female characters who don't talk.
true sky
just report them instead of giving them attention
vocal shard
Don't know how.
true sky
vocal shard
Even if they're muted/blocked they still have the ability to disconnect me.
true sky
its a known photon exploit
queen mango
You can also check your output logs in your VRChat files..
!output
vocal shard
tardy ridge
He did it while I was with a streamer and we got the whole thing on film
queen mango
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
queen mango
↑
vocal shard
The person who threatened me is a weeaboo kid with an anime boy avatar.
tardy ridge
Was it a little green suited avatar anime kid that makes a doink sound?
vocal shard
Sounds like a 16 year old boy.
Why does steam vr keep telling me controller not tracking when the controller is working please help
The kid asks me first if I can talk. And if I don't respond in 3 seconds he'll kick me. And he did. 3x
tardy ridge
Must be a new crasher going around. God these kids.
true sky
report the user for the avatar
neon flume
Pious you might have more luck asking in #user-support-old
Do your controllers show up in steam vr's window?
true sky
can do in app
vocal shard
It's really fishy when you have a good and stable connection.
Then suddenly you'll get "Time out" for no reasons.
vocal shard
Wait ... for real?
ruby needle
if the user abuses it knowingly it can obviously also lead to actions.
true sky
^
i think public avatars should be approved to be clonable
never noted that people now make their crash avatars public so others can clone it
empty wharf
Yeah, though I believe a massive amount of crash avatars used to be stolen ones. Though now the idiots are evolving and are using crash avatars their friends distributed
umbral oracle
That's why they have an option to report the avatar. Approving every avatar would be infeasible. Even avatar world avatars are currently only tested to a limited extent.
rigid crescent
Yeah, approving public avatars to be cloned would be a ridiculously impossible feat
dusty mason
anyone know - besides Big Al's where i can get a vard like Penguin
not the club penguin ones either need a penguin model for Twitch
zinc solar
Hamburger or Hambooty. The new Vrchat game map is funny as hell
vocal shard
sup edge
vocal shard
doog
zinc solar
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 9068 users in VRChat currently
zinc solar
Guess chat is dead right now. I'm out
dense ingot
I like loading into a PUG with 5 nude models and 3 people that has crash cannons.
So fun.
zinc solar
Report
inner cape
no
prisma plover
That's exactly what should be reported by using the report feature.
dense ingot
I tried, but the guy using the screen override effect was kind of hard to find.
zinc solar
Woops guess I said a no no wors
dense ingot
Literaly just go to any PUG and you'll find them running around.
vocal shard
Yeah but ...
zinc solar
O hhh that's the word lol
dense ingot
Lots of butts. Literally.
vocal shard
I just think ... Avatars that includes notfor18below stuff aren't allowed.
dense ingot
They aren't. Doesn't stop them.
zinc solar
I give up. Needless to say a certain model has been getting me a lot of requests for boosette and Shygirl nsfw
Model
prisma plover
I blame "H" for that. 😅
storm niche
So, I've got a question... not quite sure where to post it, anyways; Anyone who knows what the FOV of the Stream and Photo camera ingame is?
zinc solar
Which map should I finish?
Murder mystery the board game
Or Vrchat battle Royale the board game
Post in #user-support-old
storm niche
Ok, thanks ^^
zinc solar
Np
vocal shard
@zinc solar inhales BAAAAAAAAAATTLE ROYALEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
zinc solar
Original idea for Battle Royale what's the just let people spawn and drop anywhere inside the map. Although early beta test with 30 friends prove that that would be impossible to make fun unless I put some actual effort into the map
hardy blaze
hello everyone!
zinc solar
Hello? What's that suppose to mean huh? Coming here trying to fight me?
vocal shard
@zinc solar eyyy calm your edges.
hardy blaze
xD
median basalt
@rigid crescent @umbral oracle what Legoman meant is what I suggested earlier
zinc solar
Avid you're more edgy than a sonic fan fiction centered around bad parenting
median basalt
Can only clone a public avatar if it has been approved as part of a world
Public worlds get rejected all the time based on the avatars inside so I fail to see why this would be an issue
The current situation is not manageable
zinc solar
Here we go
umbral nova
But then people can't fly around with my Voidoll :<
vocal shard
@zinc solar DON'T TALK BAD ABOUT SONIC 😡
umbral nova
Sunk
vocal shard
😂 I'm dead.
umbral nova
Then how are you typing?
vocal shard
...
umbral nova
Lol
vocal shard
rigid crescent
Yeah the issue, like they've said before, is tying avatars to worlds.
It's apparently not very feasible.
that was suggested almost immediately after cloning was implemented and devs were in chat
vocal shard
Cory IS the house.
umbral nova
I'm not sure how that could work, and even then, I assume there would be an issue with avatars being able to be cloned
rigid crescent
Well no, if it "just worked ™ " for whatever reason most of those issues would be gone
because if avatar ids were tied to worlds, then they'd only be able to share approved avatars. but that sucks because it forces people to get a world approved just to share avatars with friends
zinc solar
Lmao
umbral nova
Like I'm calling it now, there's gonna be an issue like if there's an avatar in a public world and the same ID is in another private world, you can take the avatars from that private worlds too.
zinc solar
Don't want a nude epidemic
umbral nova
Take a bet, that might be an issue
zinc solar
Or crash epidemic
rigid crescent
That's exactly why it's not feasible.
zinc solar
Time to complain about something
Every guy in Open Mic night sounds the same. There I said it
rigid crescent
The logistics of it just seem a pretty convoluted and restrictive for users who don't want to get a world published just to share with friends
zinc solar
Also your singing is terrible
Why what's wrong with the curent way? I thought people could favor avatars that are in Worlds that are not published
vocal shard
@zinc solar eyyy what's up with the edges again
vocal shard
Just try searching "Fate Grand Order" or somethin
dense ingot
The one that did has vanished.
vocal shard
Or Stay Night
rigid crescent
there aren't any specific worlds any more, the ones that existed couldn't pass perf check any more
there's worlds that have fate avatars most likely, and lots of unpublished ones, but no fate themed worlds that are published as far as i know
uncut trail
cant loggin wtf
zinc solar
I'll male the first then!!!
swift shadow
IDK why but it's like I want to stop using vrchat due to users using to disconnect any other users in the instance and I got disconnected twice by those unknown toxic retarded people man
rigid crescent
Not sure how people have this happening so often unless they just only go to public pugs and boxes.
swift shadow
It pisses me off that people are just abusing it for fun or being assholes like they owned the instance even though it's public
unborn chasm
The problem isn’t that you’re going to a certain world or instance or type of instance.
It’s a patch that needs to be fixed by the d e v e l o p e r s of VRChat.
true sky
Some instances are chill and there are some instances full of assholes, hackers, and/or racists
Some are lucky and join a peaceful instance
unborn chasm
Sure, you’re more likely to be killed if you go to a gang hideout than a police station, but it can still happen anywhere regardless.
The point is
rigid crescent
Yes, we're aware it's an issue that needs to be fixed lol but right now we as players can only do so much
swift shadow
they should add a new feature that the game will not allows to play when a unknown software connected to vrchat like warface does
unborn chasm
You can’t do anything against a client besides hide or run.
How about making an “anti cheat engine.”
rigid crescent
If it was simple it would be done.
true sky
If you join in an instance full of bad people, just switch to another instance.
unborn chasm
VRLoader modules by default are detected.
umbral reef
I think you dont understand how an anti cheat works
unborn chasm
I do.
rigid crescent
Just avoid public boxes and you've cut you odds of being crashed or logged out by a lot
stone current
u cant just detect
umbral reef
Then you should know that just fixing the 'exploit' is easier
stone current
"wow this was injected"
unborn chasm
What do you mean? Lmao?
stone current
a lot of games do it by seeing what common exploits do
and checking locations in memory and related things
unborn chasm
Anti cheats aren’t able to detect injections?? Lmao what
stone current
but its not always obvious that someone is running unsafe code
swift shadow
Well they should add a new feature that vrchat will not launch if a third party software connects to the game, just like warface, fornite etc
stone current
again it doesnt really connect
true sky
Most people can make clients to detect if a user has a client on them. Anything is detectable.
unborn chasm
Alright, I’ve learned to shut my mouth in here omegalul
umbral reef
Yea and those games totally dont have cheaters... @swift shadow
unborn chasm
Actually cancer
stone current
it modifies properties locally and manages game data in realtime
true sky
Even script kiddies clients are detectable
umbral nova
People complain so much about being logged out or disconnected and they completely disregard the fact that they are likely hanging out in a world that is prime target for these kinds of attacks.
swift shadow
It does wunder, cuz of vrcloader and dll
stone current
so unless ur listening for it it might be hard to find
sullen escarp
rootkit-level clients are detectable
sit down bud
umbral nova
L u l
umbral reef
@unborn chasm There is no point in monitoring most of the shit an anit cheat could because its shit this game can just solve...
stone current
also cheating in vrchat isnt really that much of an issue
unborn chasm
implying they’re even bothering to solve it
rustic berry
Anti cheat is not the best at finding cheats
swift shadow
It does wunder cuz of vrcloader and dll's
stone current
the problem with stealing assets is understandable
rigid crescent
Dlls lol
umbral nova
@stone current Completely unavoidable at that.
stone current
yea for the most part*
umbral nova
I should know
rigid crescent
In still in the camp with avatar stealing being a really small issue compared to everything else.
stone current
cuz the client needs to see the avatar somehow
umbral reef
@unborn chasm So they wont fix the problem but should make an anti cheat?
And you call us dummies...
Nice contradicting logic 4head
stone current
and to do that they need at least some amount of information about it
umbral nova
I source my models from other games all the time
stone current
from files, to urls, to vertex data
unborn chasm
Alright bud @umbral reef
rigid crescent
Like avatar stealing is probs one of the most insignificant issues in the game
true sky
@stone current something that cannot be avoided, but best to report the user.
umbral nova
So take it from me no matter how a company tries to encrypt their files, people can always reverse engineer it
umbral reef
You do realize im joking right now?
rigid crescent
It absolutely is.
rustic berry
people get mad that others steal avatars?
stone current
stealing comissions and paid products mostly
rustic berry
ahh
rigid crescent
Somehow they still do, yeah. If you didn't make your model from scratch you've got no room to complain
umbral nova
@rustic berry I mean what if someone took your work?
ruby needle
well not only that but also personal time invested
stone current
ye
rigid crescent
"Work" you stole your model.
umbral nova
I mean
rigid crescent
Most everyone ingame stole their model.
umbral nova
I kinda did yea
stone current
yea but say it was broken and u fixed a bunch of issues
umbral nova
Took mine from Nintendo lmao
rigid crescent
So you stole it still
umbral reef
@rigid crescent So i cant bitch is someone steals my car even though i build it form lose free parts at the scrapyard?
stone current
and made it like a lot better and spent hours making it really cool
ruby needle
i wouldnt say that Mic
rigid crescent
Did you steal the car parts?
umbral nova
The Nintendo Ninjas are still out to get me to this day
stone current
its still ur work its just not all only ur work
umbral reef
Also- It highly depends mic.
SOME are stolen. Plenty are allowed by there rules
rigid crescent
Most are stolen.
rustic berry
That is a fair point, but that is a risk.
umbral reef
So that makes all stealing fine unless i made it from nothing?
true sky
Someone wants my avatar assets, they could ask. Never minded giving people an avatar to keep on their account or use some of the assets
umbral nova
Talking about stolen assets in a public channel 👀 👀
stone current
honestly stuff like hacked clients would be difficult to detect on server unless they recieve some strange requests or are able to detect the client via sharing information with server secretely
rigid crescent
It's all wrong, which is why it's silly to complain your work was stolen when you stole it
umbral reef
Funfact- The avatar i use was specially made to be used and shared
stone current
kinda like how part of GTAs anticheat system works
umbral reef
Also is fully allowed to be edited
umbral nova
Stolen from Nintendo and NHN PlayArt ecksdee
umbral reef
Guess stealing that one is fine by mic
rigid crescent
Again you're in the minority.
umbral reef
Because i didnt commission it what means its stolen :^)
swift shadow
Well people should uncheck a one thing on the vrcsdk settings, idk what's it is called but if they leave it check, that's where people rips other users stuff
stone current
the problem is also not just stealing avatars
but downloading their content also
and distributing, redistributing, or claiming ownership
rigid crescent
You know that's not what I mean.
true sky
@swift shadow future proof?
umbral reef
Future proofing @swift shadow
swift shadow
Yes @true sky
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Its exactly what you said though...
rigid crescent
If your model is made up of STOLEN assets, t hat you DON'T HAVE PERMISSION to use, edit, redistribute, whatever, which is most models
rigid crescent
The avatar you use was made to be used and shared and edited
You obviously don't fit into that criteria
true sky
People still ripped my avatars
rigid crescent
Most people's avatars do not.
stone current
yea no ive met some dude who basically hacked peoples passwords and copied all of their avatars right into their files..
swift shadow
For me ain't go public anywmore I'm done with that stupid shit
rigid crescent
"hacked people's passwords" yeah no lol
umbral reef
Id love to see any proof for that claim of most tbh-
Because so far i know there are heaps of higher end avatars that can be used within VRchat for non commercially use...
queen mango
Is this allowed? 
stone current
no he would like bruteforce them or pretend to be a comissioner
like "I'll upload it to ur account give me user and pass" or something
umbral reef
Thats not hacking- Thats social engineering
umbral reef
And you can only remove avatars if you got an password. Not Joink them
true sky
Or the uploader gets banned and drags you in with them
stone current
no he can
rigid crescent
I mean technically with the API
sweet stream
This is pretty late but I just realized there barely any male avatars in public, only lolis
stone current
he joins the game as that user and downloads all assets by wearing them
umbral reef
Then he can just use the game instead of getting the password and all....
sweet stream
No wonder this game is filled with traps if there's barely any good male avatars
stone current
there are plenty
rigid crescent
then make one
umbral reef
Sounds like way too much effort to get some scuffed models
@sweet stream Id highly suggest trying to find one and uploading it
People are jumping for good male models
stone current
no but he went after people typically who have cool avatars and who get comissions frequently
rigid crescent
There's entire worlds of male models
umbral reef
Tbh- People are retarded anyway if they share passwords for any reason
rustic berry
^
stone current
well its how people got those shibe avatars isnt it
rigid crescent
literally type the word "male" into world search
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Unless they arent mmd's they are len's though
rigid crescent
There's non-len MMDs, mostly JP stuff
sweet stream
Len is the only male model I currently like
rigid crescent
then you're in luck cause there's lots of those
sweet stream
Yah I saw like 6 different versions already
umbral reef
Tbh i wonder what base my avatar uses as its not weight painted like the average len
rigid crescent
if it's a standard vocaloid it's probably a Kaito or Gackpo body
stone current
rigid crescent
I see a lot of Len heads on other vocaloid bodies
stone current
i kinda hate it when
umbral reef
If one of those has an extremely scuffed thumb its that one
stone current
i find pretty cool models
but the weight painting and other factors are so abhorrently bad
that i spend more time fixing the model than if i remade my own
bc im not the one who made it so its more difficult
rustic berry
I know the feeling have having to spend time with weighting or rigging instead of animations, because 1 bone is slightly too left
stone current
no notjust that
but ive seen some really cool models that unfortunately
i gave up on bc so many things were wrong
i.e. bones having messed up pivot points and weights, clipping of clothes and other body parts, poorly made shape keys, too many polygons in specific places for unknown reasons, mouths and clothes that are improperly closed off and sealed
dense ingot
Weeb question... Anybody seen any Mob Psycho avatars?
stone current
etc
rustic berry
Yikes
stone current
there was also one i found that had
120k something polygons (not triangles)
and around 95 materials
because each color was its own material for color changing purposes
but the character had a lot of graphics and designs so there were a lot of colors
rustic berry
you might be able to find some in vrcmods, deviantart. sketchfab. In VRchat, look at the big avatar worlds. Usually find what I need there
rustic berry
lol
stone current
its cool how there are events every day
but how many people on average actually attend them
rustic berry
there are? I guess I will have to explore more
rustic berry
neat
umbral oracle
Check the pinned message in #events for a link to the discord server. Some of the events do not contain enough information to join them without that server
vocal shard
👌
languid beacon
If you don't know how to make/splice/tweek/modify/retexture/edit custom avatars from stuff you can find online, you will have a much harder time if you want a male avatar than if you're ok with a girl MMD. There's not a lot out there, so you're far less likely to find something that you really like. If you wanna be male, your best bet is to learn how to edit avatars so when you find a good male base, you can make exactly what you want yourself. The chances of you finding a male avatar someone else made that also happens to be exactly what YOU want is very unlikely 😛
fickle sentinel
I keep procrastinating sculpting my new character x.x
stone current
i not very good sculpt unles just for making model look nicer
i just kinda make em with poly then subsurf
and sculpt finishing tuches
languid beacon
If you know how to bake detail into normalmaps from a higher poly version of the model, you can get the polycount down from sculpted models and still look amazing.
median basalt
Also remember that normal maps are only really useful on PBR shaders
Normal maps don't actually make the model's geometry any more detailed
It just makes the lighting act like there's bumps and creases
It doesn't actually add them visually under a flat lit shader for example
You should bake heightmaps instead
I think he knows
queen mango
Oof.. sorry about deleting the comment..
Comment:
Btw, does Morin know that one of his avatars (Jersey-Kun) is horribly scuffed right now?
stone current
typically normal maps dont displace
same for bump/height map
displacement map specifically does but yea they can
mighty galleon
<.<
coarse wyvern
Vrchat = Deadchat atm
covert linden
@coarse wyvern 10k users are on
languid beacon
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 9836 users in VRChat currently
coarse wyvern
I'm talking about this general chat
languid beacon
yeah discord is dead becuase everyone's busy playing :p
languid beacon
which i am about to
coarse wyvern
Cant*
covert linden
Oh
signal wren
My Martials are black for the UV I can only see it when I put it to DiffuseUV how do I fix this? In Blender.
vocal shard
Suuup
ocean mirage
Does anyone know where a soild snake avatar is for my friend lol
i would upload it but im lazy
night nimbus
What're the thresholds for becoming a User, Known User, or Trusted User?
I'm categorized as a New User despite having 30+ friends who're all Known or Trusted Users, having like 20 uploaded avatars, and playing VRChat for about a year.
queen mango
No sure method of doing so.. I've heard some people get Trusted within 200 hours, and some people have User for 500 hours
But the things you mentioned shoulda got you up to Trusted atleast.. are people muting or blocking you?
night nimbus
No, not that I know of.
Except the occasional once in a blue moon block by someone that just blocks random people for existing.
queen mango
woven steppe
Sup...
queen mango
Oh hi
mighty galleon
oh hi ach
woven steppe
Been away from this discord server for quite a bit... any recent interesting happenings?
mighty galleon
ive become a fox
queen mango
Nothing much
mighty galleon
elire lost his peepee
queen mango
Well, except for.. wut.
mighty galleon
svel is kicked from the discord
woven steppe
Nothing serious then
mighty galleon
tupper took hold of the discord, summoned millions of nanobites and killed most the population
you know, the norm
queen mango
Random chat was toxic two days ago, it was something regarding some really controversial topics
Xins and Sails were probably kicked
woven steppe
I never go in public lobby or random chat anyways
mighty galleon
<.<
queen mango
Because they instigated the mess at random chat
queen mango
And only when chat gets in hot water do you get out of there
mighty galleon
nope
queen mango
Somewhat
mighty galleon
i only leave b/c boredum
woven steppe
See If I wanted to talk about something not remotely VRC related... I'm not gonna do it in the VRC discord...
woven steppe
We never were...
queen mango
Sigh.. school's about to start in a week, which means no VRC time
woven steppe
need VRC on mobile
queen mango
I also wasted my opportunities to learn Blender
woven steppe
you can learn blender for the purposes of VRC avatar meddling within a week
Just have a test subject model that you don't mind messing up
mighty galleon
ima use ach as a test subject
queen mango
Yea I know.. it's just that I don't know how to rig a mesh..
tiny ginkgo
No one was born an expert.. just try to mess around with ACHs model. Try to get it to work in VRC as an experiment
queen mango
👀
tiny ginkgo
Once you know the flow it gets a bit easier to get ideas I find
And once you get ideas you encounter problems, and solving those teaches you a lot
woven steppe
Back in the ye olde days it was actually much harder.
It does help if you had prior experience doing anything remotely 3D modelling related
tiny ginkgo
The hardest is getting started because you don't know where to start. "Simply" getting a model from the mesh to vrc is a big task and a fun thing to do. Don't make it complex, just get it to work
Then you can expand with dynamic bones and all that later..
woven steppe
last week I had to teach someone how to do some rig related stuff... it was fun
queen mango
Hmm.. so what is this rigging stuff, anyways?
lethal summit
Box map got so toxic lately...