vrchat-general-2

[tiny ginkgo]

haha try waving?

[wheat spade]

Or join a private lobby with people from here. That way you can go out as a group making things less stressfull

[tiny ginkgo]

Yeah that's actually a good idea

[rigid crescent]

the secret is to leech off of extroverts and hope one of us is GRACIOUS enough to include you into our SECRET cliques

[wheat spade]

Id you need someone for a chat feel free to add my discord name. Same as my ign anyway. Ill break some ice 😉

[rigid crescent]

nah, what ive seen some friends do is kinda just hang out until someone says something they have an opinion about and they kinda inserts themselves

[tiny ginkgo]

I leeched from you for.. 5 minutes.. and decided you were busy talking to someone else.. It's like there's a wall sometimes

[stoic halo]

i never have any friends on in the morning

so im like super struggling to interact with anyone

[rigid crescent]

lol wait did you see me ingame? :3

OH

[tiny ginkgo]

That's why I baited you earlier.. omg

x)

[rigid crescent]

LOOOOOL

i was like "how do they know i said that?...." but figured i said it here too.

[tiny ginkgo]

Ha

[rigid crescent]

nah we weren't really busy, it was just kind of an in-depth conversation so we had gotten really deep into the topic lol

damn someone actually saw me ingame, that's a first

completely random in a public, too

[tiny ginkgo]

Yeah. And I think people like me know that and I could just have said hi, no biggie. But it takes some courage

Yep, japanese shrine of all places

[rigid crescent]

yeah it seems hard

right? im never on that map but i joined on a friend there. i think we were there for at least 3 or 4 hours, maybe longer just talking about the game

i think i waved at you like 50 times LOL. i was waving to a lot of strangers that day

[tiny ginkgo]

Haha ^^ I tried waving when you ran by but I think you were running to find your friend.

[rigid crescent]

oh probably my bad lol

[tiny ginkgo]

^^

Well it was nice meeting you anyways. It makes the Discord feel a little more connected to the actual world.

[umbral nova]

Tell me about it lmao

[rigid crescent]

yeah, you're the first person I've seen from the discord at all.

[tiny ginkgo]

Same here!

[umbral nova]

Thing is I met Rokk before I was a Discord regular

[rigid crescent]

well that doesn't count get outta here cheater

[umbral nova]

Imao

I met Jamie after a while if that counts then

[opaque hawk]

I think I met you in game before you were regular here too

[umbral nova]

Yea

In the MMD world

You had May with a headband

[opaque hawk]

Bonding over our Pokemon models

[umbral nova]

Lmao

[opaque hawk]

I’m still pretty proud of that model

[tiny ginkgo]

Look at these nostalgic memories. How cute and nice

[opaque hawk]

In the end vrc is about people

[vocal shard]

Hi all

[tiny ginkgo]

hi

[opaque hawk]

Good morning

[fluid veldt]

hello

[vocal shard]

Hello

[stiff tree]

hello

[vocal shard]

Hello

[stoic halo]

im like super struggling to meet anyone lmaoooo today

[opaque hawk]

You run into a lot of cool people of you go into a public instance. But you also run into terrible people so... I have to block a lot of people

[stoic halo]

too many anxious to interact with anyone

[tiny ginkgo]

How long are you going to be online today leah?

If you want I could join you and we could talk for a bit, then go out and find a group to talk to

(I won't be online for 5 or so hours though..)

[stoic halo]

probably all day lol

[tiny ginkgo]

Alright. Well I will write you when I get online later tonight. Then you can take the offer or not if you don't feel like it at that point ok?

Don't worry about saying no, it's quite ok

[covert linden]

Ive got a group thatll be on later you can join but were going to horror maps

[vocal shard]

sounds evil fun

[crisp ruin]

Horror maps

[vocal shard]

i use to do those with some people but as with all things separations happen and that all ends

[tiny ginkgo]

.. ouch

[vocal shard]

yep my life in a nutshell lmao

[tiny ginkgo]

But yes I think doing "interactive" maps is also a good idea with a group. You play together without having to talk too much and you bond, and then talking after might be easier because you have some common experiences

[crisp ruin]

There aren’t enough good interactive maps

[opaque hawk]

Hang with me; talk about personal finance and texture rendering in-font of the mirror. I am a huge factoid nerd.

[vocal shard]

[crisp ruin]

Honestly all I care to talk about is making avatars and shaders

[opaque hawk]

The moment I realized I want to golf with people in vr is the moment I realized I have become my Dad.

[tiny ginkgo]

There's a match for everyone ^^

I'll golf with you akalink

It sounds fun

[opaque hawk]

Just have to find/make a good golf map.

[vocal shard]

ehe

[cyan torrent]

is the fav worlds bugged?

[covert linden]

Yes

[tacit plank]

Yeah sadly

[indigo yacht]

boo yah my potato laptop can still run vrc

[covert linden]

My cousins canttt

[silent aspen]

ok seriously where the fuck did all my favorites go

both avatars and worlds

[opaque hawk]

If there is a canny for it upvote it

[crystal pebble]

vrchat turned me into a weeb :/

[languid beacon]

Is there any way to fix unity forgetting that a model was imported with avatar config and not just a random prefab

T

[opaque hawk]

Congrats VRChat on the nomination!

[umbral oracle]

Woo, totally deserves the nomination. VR Experience of the Year might be a better name

[umbral nova]

@languid beacon What do you mean by that?

And sorry for the massively late response whoops

[umbral reef]

How is that anything related to security?

[umbral nova]

Oh so now we're just avatars

Not even users

I see how it is

Didn't know these racial slurs got so serious

[umbral reef]

Well- You got a nice block button and an even more neat report button all ingame...

So what should they do?
Block all avatars from everyone?

[vocal shard]

Thanks for the overrated complaints

[umbral nova]

Block trusted users, easy. 👏

[vocal shard]

Do you want people to be censored for no reason?

[umbral reef]

Then what can they do?
So far you have suggested nothing...

[vocal shard]

Or can you curb your entitlement

Not talking to you Oclac

[umbral reef]

Easy way to instantly cripple the main userbase

[floral aspen]

^

[umbral reef]

Mirror people dont gain new users though-

[umbral nova]

Not to mention VRChat will instantly get hit with every copyright law to exist

[floral aspen]

yeah, you can't charge for most of VRChat's content since they don't own it

[vocal shard]

Are you kidding me?

[umbral nova]

Making money off of users uploading possibly copyrighted content

[vocal shard]

That's scummy Grim

VRChat is free, and remains free

[floral aspen]

yeah, may not be much of an issue to you
but speak for yourself man

[vocal shard]

We're not gonna put a publishing fee, this isn't a book

or rather, the team is

[umbral reef]

For most it would though--
You really think most people would pay for a game without any true content and where to make anything you would have to pay?
It sounds more like a demo mode of a game thats in alpha...

[umbral nova]

THE FPaul is typing

[floral aspen]

The game is literally just hanging out and talking to people. No one is going to pay for that

[umbral nova]

One and only

[umbral reef]

Aw snap you scared him eevee

[umbral nova]

Lmao

[vocal shard]

Intimidation

[opaque hawk]

No shame in blocking and muting people

[ruby needle]

im not

[umbral reef]

But forcing payment within a free social game will just mean people will go to competitors even though they are months behind in work
Almost all 'insane' things are from people that knew nothing about creating animations and worlds but still went to it

[floral aspen]

lol second life
pls

[umbral nova]

@languid beacon Why don't you join in?

Second life talk over here

[floral aspen]

They're working on more features than just avatars
these things just take time

[umbral reef]

None of those games are anything like Vrchat really though... With that logic discord can do the same...

[umbral nova]

Pay 10 cents for every message you send

Oh wait there goes my money

[floral aspen]

The only direct competitors I know of right now is High Fidelity and NeosVR

[umbral nova]

WAIT OOF

[stiff tree]

in world advertisements

[umbral reef]

Not allowed btw^^ Unless you are admin aproved though and your worlds dont get checked...

[stiff tree]

this avatar is made possible by Coca Cola™

[umbral nova]

Imagine having to charge your controllers

This meme was made by Oculus gang

[stiff tree]

I charge my Oculus controller batteries

[rigid crescent]

LOL i missed a real dumb conversation and im kinda glad because im most likely on thin ice :3

[umbral nova]

Sounders gonna get yolked

[rigid crescent]

prolly

[floral aspen]

yup, yet another person saying they should charge for vrchat
yeah don't get yeeted sounders

[stiff tree]

they have to make money eventually

[umbral nova]

I'm probably gonna get myself yeeted one day for something really stupid

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard What would count as a more then basic model though? You can technically make anything and everything already but as that takes loads of work the average lobby runner wont give a shit about that...

And who gets to judge who is a 'creator'

[umbral nova]

Considering how G1 went

Or svel

[umbral reef]

Oi- No getting banned/kicked before me and sai

[rigid crescent]

see yall on the other side lol

[umbral nova]

LOL

[umbral reef]

You know there isa thing called reporting though?

[rigid crescent]

you can report them with just the Output_Log

[stiff tree]

pay for name card cosmetics

[umbral reef]

If i may ask- How many users have you reported?
Outputlog and all

[floral aspen]

And have you tried hanging out in worlds that aren't the pug or the box?

[rigid crescent]

60% is a silly number to just assume are "problem" users. they're just the loudest ones so it seems like a lot

[floral aspen]

People in here acting like it's a the wild west out there with crashers and hackers around every corner but I'm just not seeing it

[umbral nova]

A lot of trusted users are fine

[rigid crescent]

Streamlined like what though?

[umbral nova]

A looot

[rigid crescent]

What system would help you report someone that you can't see and don't know the name of?

[umbral nova]

It's just you think a lot of them are crashers because the crashers are the only ones you pay attention to.

[tidal aspen]

there are so many crashers in the game please fix 😠

what do you mean you don't know who the crashers are

[rigid crescent]

I don';t think most purples are crashers, I just think most crashers are purple lol

[umbral reef]

Almost all users within Vrchat think the same as you though. And that is a WAY worse problem then the 'exploits' within unity.
Users are allowed to rank up without a problem because they never get reported. Its legit copying a file, typing in a email adress and saying when you got crashed and who you guessed it did even...
Takes less then 2 minutes between a crash and cleans the filth up in the end

[errant vault]

Rogur

[umbral reef]

Same goes for this game and bugs
Everyone thinks "Ow- this is a reported bug, its fine"
Meanwhile- Everyone in this chat knows about a problem. Everyone in there own community does but no one made a canny.io post. This results in the devs being uninformed about the most simple things

[languid beacon]

@umbral nova very tempting but I’m at work and have a ton of backchat to catch up on 😛

[umbral nova]

Oof

Mk

[tacit plank]

Give us better ingame reporting

I can't be bothered to report on the form

[umbral nova]

Shadowplay

[umbral reef]

I honestly dont see how users can expect bad things to go away if no one reports or takes action...
Even IF the game had thousands of mods they cant get everything

[floral aspen]

you can't be bothered to take 2 minutes to send an e-mail?

[tacit plank]

No

[umbral reef]

Lmao- If you want i can program a script even to do it for you

[tidal aspen]

I do think they could have a better reporting system instead of emailing

[umbral nova]

Caffeine is like me, super lazy

[tacit plank]

I did an ingame report, but it didn't even allow me to attatch a message

[tidal aspen]

Most programs when they crash have a prompt to "send to developers" or something

[tacit plank]

Like "He switched avatar after crashing me"

[umbral reef]

Ingame reports are for small things though

[umbral nova]

@vocal shard Totally trustworthy

[tacit plank]

They want to deal with small things? They can't deal with the big things

[errant vault]

Caffeine is not lazy, caffeine is just crashing from caffeine. Rogur

[umbral reef]

@tidal aspen Most programs and game companies also have big groups- Long development time and ect

[languid beacon]

But as for Second Life.. almost no one pays for it. Even people that have used it for 10+ years haven’t dropped a penny on it. The fact that it’s not required for anything important is the only reason that (despite common perception) it isn’t dead.

[tacit plank]

Most crashers use the same crash things. If the game did a check if you had that one your avatar (or anything called CRASHGUN) and flagged it for review, they'd get a lot of them

[rigid crescent]

I mean again, what's your alternative to reporting after being crashed Grim?

How do you report someone without knowing their username?

[umbral reef]

Caffein- If you know it so well with coding why not make a detailed canny post explaining how they can do it step for step with avatar uploads...

[languid beacon]

It has the 20/80 rule. 20% of creators make 80% of the content

[tacit plank]

I can't even report for crashing, just "maliciuous avatar"

[rigid crescent]

That's a malicious avatar

[tacit plank]

Network crashes are more difficult, but I have a screenshot of my game not responding with some guys gun in my face

I shouldn't need to send an email and give a log as well

[umbral reef]

It might be that im more used to non polished games or my work environment but i think sending a simple email even with how shoddy they can be and sending a file over aint asked to much to get someone banned...

[tacit plank]

He's "Known user" too

[rigid crescent]

Well, when you've got an alternative throw it on the canny, maybe it'll gain some traction

[umbral reef]

A screenshot means jack shit lmao
And you should know that if you think two seconds about why...

[rigid crescent]

im kinda surprised you of all people even suggest that would be evidence lol

[tacit plank]

You think I faked this? I don't have the skill

[umbral reef]

Who says someone behind you didnt crash ya?
Who says he doesnt have a shader hiding his nameplace and a replacement?

[rigid crescent]

the output log probably

[umbral reef]

Im not saying its fake- Not at all-
But its you know- A VR space really...

[tacit plank]

I blocked him on the website after, similar looking avatar

[umbral reef]

And mic hit my point perfectly
A output log solves that way more

[tacit plank]

Yeah, because you can't edit that

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/CjLfa/d615451214.png hey this guy crashed me i have a screenshot that proves it

[tacit plank]

The crash gun is in my face at the screenshot

[umbral reef]

Its easier to confirm a output log then a photo~

[rigid crescent]

it's not evidence. just not

[umbral reef]

bruh- I have like 3 photo's like that laying around with the camera stuff from non crash avatars...

[tidal aspen]

crashed ya 🔫 😎

[umbral reef]

If this was a court you would be yeet'd right out

[rigid crescent]

iim sure ive got a few with a gun in my face as well

[tacit plank]

The black square is the crashing particle not being rendered correctly

[umbral reef]

Also- As a side note. Its not like you can fully avoid crashes like these

[tacit plank]

Either way, the shaders speak for themselves. Even if he didn't crash me, the trust system failed us by awarding him with known user. He was in the map for 2 minutes before telling people to kill themselves

[vocal shard]

not surprised one bit

[tacit plank]

Most of the times when I have been crashed, I've looked in my cache to confirm after. They all have a component on their avatar called "Crash gun" and shaders like "Fuck your screen" and "earrape.mp3"

[umbral reef]

And because no one reports anyone..
Any retard can get a rank-- Not everyone can keep it if they cant get away with dumb actions
Right now its WAY to easy to do anything bad

[tacit plank]

Staff could autoban people for uploading that easily

[rigid crescent]

this black square? https://puu.sh/CjLme/594aeed471.bmp

[umbral reef]

Auto banning...

Can we also ban anyone with a meme name and ect?
Because shit dude- Il be insta clapped in your world even though i have a meme gun not a crash gun

[tacit plank]

The square has the same image quality as the rest. A laser is pointing at my avatar. You can see the gun itself and the shaders, rendered like the world we're in. It would take a skilled photoshopper a while

[umbral reef]

And no- I dont have an spamming particle gun- Its legit a dumb texture on a weapon

[languid beacon]

Known users can’t use shaders iirc not unless you enabled them

[umbral reef]

Saying its crashed 👏

Owwww what evil my dudes- Insta auto ban worthy

[tacit plank]

So you think having a file called "CRASHGUN" can be justified in any way?

[rigid crescent]

You know they can look at that, right?

[tidal aspen]

CR4SHGUN 👌 not banned now

[umbral reef]

Yes? As i got a object with that name?

[rigid crescent]

you think staff hasn't cache ripped to find evidence for a ban?

[earnest harbor]

who would even name their crash gun crashgun?

[tidal aspen]

even if they scanned object names it's not like it would matter

[tacit plank]

If they can, why is that guy still unbanned?

[umbral reef]

And as defirex said- It takes around ~5 seconds to change a prefab name...

[umbral nova]

I'd probably name an object CRASHGUN as a meme honesty

[rigid crescent]

Because people don't report

an organized person. That's like questioning why my Bow is named Bow in the hierarchy lol.

[tacit plank]

Idk gold, but I looked in my cache most of the time I get crashed

And the file names themselves are evidence enough

[languid beacon]

I have snowcrash goggles but didn’t get autobanned. They are just goggles with tv static

[umbral reef]

Its insane that I of all people within this chat have to defend the moderation team

[umbral nova]

LOL

[tacit plank]

My point is that they don't change the prefab names

[vocal shard]

Tru

[tacit plank]

You can use this against them

[rigid crescent]

Not really, no

[tidal aspen]

yeah and then once they implement that they'll just call it random shit

[umbral nova]

Jamie has entered the channel

[tacit plank]

Use them in a banwave, and they will never even know that it was the filenames which gave them away

[umbral reef]

You would be legit blind banning without evidence beside a name...

[tacit plank]

It's such an easy method to cut off a good part of hte crashers

[rigid crescent]

yeah, blind bans are a great idea

[tacit plank]

If you name an animation "Crashgun" or a soundfile "earrape", you don't deserve to play this game

[umbral reef]

There is a reason people joked the shit out of Rainbow6

[rigid crescent]

and that's why im glad you arent and will never be moderation staff LOL

go put it on the canny, see how well received it is

[vocal shard]

why cant i see my favorites category wtf

[rigid crescent]

maybe it's a good idea and we're all just ignorant

[umbral nova]

Ban LoneEevee for having "Thiccnite" as an emote name

[rigid crescent]

favorites re bugged

[umbral reef]

@tacit plank What if im not a native english speak and type in one of your trigger words to ban because i dont understand the proper meaning?

[tacit plank]

If they tag it as confirmed, crashers would start changing filenames

You don't name an item "Crashgun" by accident

[umbral reef]

You dont think after the first few bans they would realize that X set of assets with that name cause bans while the Y set doesnt?

[tacit plank]

They could go deeper I guess, and look in the file for actual crash particle data

[tidal aspen]

I have a gun that shoots crash bandicoots I'll name it crashgun

[tacit plank]

That's why ban waves are a thing Oclac

[umbral nova]

Lol dafirex

[opaque hawk]

Do it Dafirex

[tacit plank]

This guy told people to kill themselves 2 minutes into joining the map. He would not go "ah, it's probably the asset names which gave away that I'm an asshole"

[umbral reef]

Tbh- I seen users get yelled at for exactly that @tidal aspen

[opaque hawk]

I want to see it

[umbral reef]

"Crash avatar world"
"Guys! I got banned for uploading an avatar world!"

[tacit plank]

That happened though..

[rigid crescent]

they've got a better chance at catching crashers by just going into lobbies and digging through the cache

[vocal shard]

Yeah i heard of that

[rigid crescent]

at least then there will be no false flags

[tacit plank]

That's true, but they don't

[umbral nova]

Call it Crash Bandicoot avatar world

Ez 👏

[umbral reef]

So you legit just confirmed false triggers are a thing- Even though they are not automatically done
You honest to god do not think with any brain cell that an automated system and not even a driod staff would do the exact same but worse?

[tidal aspen]

Might actually make that crash bandicoot gun in a world I'm making

[tacit plank]

If a mod spend all his day doing that, he'd probably get 100 bans done. Which means 20 less email reports to look through the next few days

And to begin with, I said that such names should tag avatars for review

You can combine automatic and manual

[opaque hawk]

I should make a gun that fires 👌

[tacit plank]

Hell, they should just go through the assets of the most blocked players or something

[umbral reef]

Then you have a flagging system and not an autoamted ban system as you wanted earlier

[tacit plank]

We would at least have a system

[umbral nova]

@rigid crescent I don't think it's possible to check cache files for particle systems oof

[tacit plank]

Do mods even play? Undercover mods could be nice

[vocal shard]

Bait people with a "crash" prefab on a certain site... Then ban those with that prefab

[tacit plank]

That too, yeah

[rigid crescent]

mods play all the time wat

[tidal aspen]

mods don't usually have their nametag on or they'll be on alts

[median basalt]

Sounds like a job for NEK Animation Squad @vocal shard

[umbral reef]

Caff- please
You have been here long enough to really know the answer and im not joking

[rigid crescent]

Why would you see a mod w hile they're working, for one?

[tacit plank]

I haven't seen a staff in game in over half a year

[median basalt]

Apparently mods do play but I have never seen one with my own eyes. I've played since last january.

[rigid crescent]

why do they need to be visible while doing mod shit?

Really wtf?

I think off the top of my head, I've seen tupper, aev, ron, and one more whose name i cant remember

[umbral reef]

Mods can turn off and on there tags
Can be invisible and users like Senior chatmods can report 'better' shoddy said

[tacit plank]

I think mods play, but in friends+

[rigid crescent]

like i saw tupper in friends+ like 3 or 4 days ago lol

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent As plenty know staff names?
And its not like people act difrent when staff is around...

[tidal aspen]

Most of the time though they'll be in their own instance or if they join a public one the room gets flooded with people

[tacit plank]

The game has so many toxic people and crashers in publics

I really don't think staff goes there

[rigid crescent]

I said visible not invisible

[umbral reef]

Ow- My bad then mic

[ancient kayak]

Did unity broke my avatar? I havent login to my old vrchat account for ages.

My avatar stucked in the blueman

[tacit plank]

Visible or not. Malicious people are not at all subtle. There's no fear of moderation, which likely means that bans are rare

[rigid crescent]

Honestly, I imagine they're not in publics during "off" time just because they'd rather spend it with friends who are in friends+ lol

[glossy wharf]

Yes welcome to #vrchat-general-2 which is clearly the support channel as the channel description says.

[umbral reef]

Big odds you need to reupload your avatar my dude as the game engine changed some time ago

[rigid crescent]

yep, no fear of moderation is true

[umbral reef]

@glossy wharf Dont make worlds all night k

[glossy wharf]

Mod decides to play the game
Also mods: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427770017015267328/524708031947210762/unknown.png

[umbral reef]

I aint writing that document with my engrish

[ancient kayak]

Oh no.. wish i still have that unity project :c

[glossy wharf]

ugh, do i have to write everything?

[rigid crescent]

LOL

[umbral reef]

:^) Yes totally

[glossy wharf]

dude

[umbral reef]

Ofcours the fuck not- just copy paste it and make it less retarded

[tacit plank]

And when they're so open about crashing people... It should be easy for staff to ban a lot

[glossy wharf]

can we just have a voice call if we talk about these things

its easier for me to give my opinion while working on stuff rather than typing here all the time

[umbral reef]

Most of the time im at work or in bed-- So its hard to VC

[glossy wharf]

and oclac is also ghey

[rigid crescent]

moderation is 100% lacking and they have the tools and strategies to do it properly, they just don't for whatever reason

[umbral reef]

Im not ghey bully

[tacit plank]

I know they can just make new accounts, but I was crashed by a "known user" which means that him openly crashing people have gone unnoticed

[glossy wharf]

Mic are you from texas

[rigid crescent]

oh shit is it that obvious? did i say y'all a lot? lol

[umbral reef]

LMAO

[glossy wharf]

I FUCKING KNEW ITHAH AHHAHAHA

[tacit plank]

I get that mods might dislike public, but I think it would be less work in the long run to directly target crashers and looking through avatar assets

[rigid crescent]

wow actually exposed

[opaque hawk]

I hear Texas is a nice place to live

[tacit plank]

Than deal with email reports and logs all day

[umbral nova]

from:Mic_Sounders#3041 y'all

[rigid crescent]

what gave it away ;-;

[tacit plank]

Isn't the age of consent 12 there? Or was that mexico?

[opaque hawk]

I kind of want to get out of my state. 😦

[rigid crescent]

LOL probably not texas

[glossy wharf]

can we do a vc pls

i will give all 3 of you 5$ paypal

[median basalt]

There's only 8 results for mic saying "yall"

[umbral nova]

Lmao

[rigid crescent]

that's 8 too many tbh

[vocal shard]

Lol

[umbral reef]

Sai is the GBI

[umbral nova]

Look up how many times I've said "yolk" Rokk

[opaque hawk]

Hella to many y’all

[median basalt]

What

[umbral reef]

FBI*

[tidal aspen]

I say ya'll sometimes

From new england

[tacit plank]

"The age of consent in Mexico is complex. Typically, Mexican states have a "primary" age of consent (which may be as low as 12)" huh

[median basalt]

@umbral nova hahaha

[umbral nova]

Lol

[median basalt]

You said it 14 times

[umbral nova]

And the other account

Add them up

[glossy wharf]

look how often i said fuck

[umbral nova]

Sai lmao

[umbral reef]

I havent said Oi that oftne in here

[rigid crescent]

yeah there's also "Yeah it's legal but you'll probably get your shit kicked in or worse" thing whne it comes to age of consent lol

[umbral reef]

Odd-

[queen mango]

What's this about?

[median basalt]

WEW @umbral nova https://i.imgur.com/eGfDO29.png

[opaque hawk]

Mama Sai clearly from London

[glossy wharf]

No

[opaque hawk]

K

[umbral nova]

ROKK LMAO

[glossy wharf]

Atleast you tried

[umbral reef]

Sai is from non swamp germany

[boreal ether]

Anyone know a good Escape room map?

[glossy wharf]

https://i.imgur.com/Sk5zW2H.png

[vocal shard]

O.o
1074 times i put lol

[median basalt]

I think I may have spent far too much time on this Discord lol

I haven't been banned yet despite acting like an asshole sometimes

[glossy wharf]

thats relatable

i said fuck more than omega said funland

holy

[opaque hawk]

Impressive actually

[umbral reef]

I cant find anything i said an insane amount

[median basalt]

I have typed more messages in this Discord than Tupper, VR Pill and Ruuubick put together

[umbral nova]

@umbral reef Moderation

[umbral reef]

Its below 200 so not that bad

[umbral nova]

Ouch

Imagine if game ripping was allowed to be discussed here

You'd see a lot of that from me

[queen mango]

Speak of the devil
Steam Awards...

[umbral reef]

How can one search for emoji's typed

[median basalt]

Can't you just type the emoji with Windows key+Period?

The actual emoji character itself

[umbral reef]

I got no idea and im to tired to find out

[median basalt]

Maybe it'll get replaced but who knows

[queen mango]

Btw, it looks like VRChat's a nominee for the Steam Awards now.

[median basalt]

Nah, searching for emoji like that does not work

[vocal shard]

Yep

[umbral reef]

Welp- Ima be afk for a short while as im gonna be finding an electric blanket ☃

[tidal aspen]

holy shit I didn't know you could do that 👌👌👌

[umbral nova]

What could be a thing I talk about a lot?

[opaque hawk]

Audio sources

[umbral nova]

Lol probably

[opaque hawk]

Pokemon

[median basalt]

You can also escape your emoji \👌

[umbral nova]

Either audio or Pokemon

But Audio is already taken by Rollthered

I've only mentioned Audio a combined 56 times

It seems anyway

And "rig" less than 30

[stoic halo]

is it me or is vrchat breaking

[tacit plank]

How many times have I called something retarded?

[umbral nova]

49 apparently

[queen mango]

Hmm.. how many times have I asked a question?

[umbral nova]

I can't search the question mark symbol

You're on your own

[queen mango]

💦

[vocal shard]

Vrchat is always broken, Leah.

its what makes it entertaining

[languid beacon]

This discord needs avatar performance emojis

[umbral oracle]

For tupper approved performance optimization

[languid beacon]

⭐️

[umbral oracle]

Very good

[languid beacon]

That one is medium actually

[autumn lantern]

aight

[languid beacon]

I was against it at first but honestly I think I’m just salty for passing every category as very good except one is poor making me poor overall. I don’t understand how audio sources contribute to lag

[opaque hawk]

Audio conversation is pretty cpu intense and depending on the settings it can very quickly eat your ram or cpu.

Unity’s default settings have the audio decompress and go to ram. Full music tracks can quickly eat large quantities of ram

[languid beacon]

But they treat all audio sources as the same no matter length

[turbid agate]

anyone know a working world for playing 360 videos in the new Unity?

[opaque hawk]

Unfortunately, but it makes sense

[languid beacon]

Well an entire copyright violation audio track vs a little 0.25 sound is not the same

I mean I understand the scope creep on things like this but it’s pretty harsh and will result in silent avies

[opaque hawk]

The way I see it people see going to use those types of avatars among friends who won’t care if you have a poorly marked avatar

[languid beacon]

Among people who make their own sure but that is not the majority of players

The majority of people have no clue how to make their own content they just use pedistals

[turbid agate]

Yeah, i usually dont use heavy performance avatars (according to the new system) in worlds unless its mostly friends and we are messing around or someone wants to see.

Otherwise most of my avatars are as compressed as i can make them without losing quality.

[opaque hawk]

I do think most of the community is uploading avatars. They may or may not be straight uploading pre existing content, but they are uploading

[candid charm]

hey guys

i asked a question here but idk if anyone saw it

anyways, does anyone know of a server that has avatars that can use beams or special effects?

for example Goku going SSJ3

[small wing]

SPEAKING OF AUDIO https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/stereo-audio-source-on-avatars

[candid charm]

and him having a kamehameha

[small wing]

DID I ALSO MENTION AUDIO IS GREAT?!

S O U N D

@umbral nova sound is great

[glossy wharf]

@small wing thats literally still in there

[small wing]

Good

And it will be in there another 356 times

[glossy wharf]

No i mean 2d audio

[small wing]

Prove it to me or your arguement is false.

[glossy wharf]

Im 99% sure i just uploaded an avatar with proper 2d audio 2 days ago

[small wing]

Define "proper"

[glossy wharf]

At least i didnt have issues with it being forced 3d

[small wing]

2D audio has to keep its stereo for it to be "proper"

if its not keeping the phase of both left and right channels then its not what im asking for.

[glossy wharf]

Yea i did it in a scene that had a vrc world to setup layers and spatialize audio

Then put the audio on an avatar

[candid charm]

damn ok

[glossy wharf]

And remove the onsp audio so it routes through avatar sound

[small wing]

And you are positive this works still?

[safe prism]

i've done this as well

[small wing]

Because if so im deleting my post.

[glossy wharf]

I mean i didnt do extensive testing cause im pretty sure it worked properly

I can try to test it properly

[small wing]

Could you please try that and let me know?

[glossy wharf]

Gonna do it tomorrow tho cause its late af

[small wing]

Hmmm.

How exactly did you set it up then? I might try it tonight.

[glossy wharf]

Disable avatars

Drag in vrcworld prefab, setup audio

Use the world specific buttons in the build control panel

Then reenable avatar

Drag audio on and upload

[umbral nova]

Oof I got atted hold up

What are we talking about?

[small wing]

Alright, if this somehow works as intended i will let you know and delete the post.

@umbral nova I mentioned you

just me meming the fact you said my name earlier

[umbral nova]

Ohlol

[small wing]

also new name wbu?

[umbral nova]

I'm still LoneEevee, unless you mean yours

[small wing]

"Sound is hot af"

[umbral nova]

Lul

That

[small wing]

"Either audio or Pokemon
But Audio is already taken by Rollthered
I've only mentioned Audio a combined 56 times
It seems anyway
And "rig" less than 30"

[umbral nova]

I didn't see that there

[small wing]

[umbral nova]

Lmao

Check how many times you said "audio"

[small wing]

Is there a way?

Cause i will, and i will put it in my name

[umbral nova]

Put in the search bar

from:Rollthered#5714 audio

[small wing]

done

from now on im counting the amount of times i have said audio

[umbral nova]

You could just

Look at the results thing

It shows how many results have popped up

Rokk mentioned animators over 2,000 times

[small wing]

nice

[opaque oriole]

oh no

[craggy verge]

oh no

[boreal creek]

disaster waiting to happen

[opaque oriole]

is clone avatar set to off for older avatars

[turbid agate]

if its private

[opaque oriole]

ah okay

[turbid agate]

which it should be unless you set it to public

[covert chasm]

Please read the whole post. This only applies to avatars that are set to Public.

[rocky blaze]

as much as the "clone avatar" feature that is coming i can already see people exploiting it

[tacit plank]

Can I enable it for friends only?

[glossy wharf]

@covert chasm Can we have private avatar favoriting then, currently the only way to favorite your own avatars is making them public ..

[opaque oriole]

I haven't made a avatar most likely in over a year. all the way back whenever was the new hype.

if that even was more than a year ago.

[tacit plank]

It's probably tagged public then

[opaque oriole]

crap

[thin dagger]

Would be pretty cool if it were just a gifting mechanic instead of public sharing

[tidal aspen]

You can open the ask and set it to private easily

[tacit plank]

Can always just disable it in settings

[keen hamlet]

What if I want to show my avatar to some friends from my private world and allow them to leave with it if they want, but don't want others to copy it?

[tidal aspen]

sdk*

[tacit plank]

Or in Unity

Good question, steins

[earnest harbor]

So, is it basically "favoriting" a users avatar, or cloning their unity package?

[opaque oriole]

I thought recently they moved VRChat over to a new version of Unity

[glossy wharf]

Time to go over 160 avatars and private them hahahaha fuck me

[opaque oriole]

me too

[tacit plank]

How can you limit destribution if it's given out to a person who wants others to copy it?

[tidal aspen]

You press the private button

[vocal shard]

@covert chasm Regarding the new clone function, if someone has a custom avatar but no world to showcase it, does the clone option still have application?
For example, I've worked hard on my current custom Froppy avatar, but no world to upload it to.

[tidal aspen]

You don’t need to reupload

[covert chasm]

@glossy wharf Just go down your list and click the "Make Private" button in the "Manage Uploaded Content" window in the SDK. Takes about 3 minutes.

@vocal shard Sure, set it to Public and people can clone it.

[glossy wharf]

Yeah but it doesnt allow favoriting of private avatars.

[vocal shard]

Nice.

[small wing]

What if someone were to make an avatar that is malicious and distribute it with this though?

this seems risky

[glossy wharf]

Nah dw its a great system dude

[opaque oriole]

long time no see https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522975074706259980/524754122734436362/unknown.png

[covert chasm]

You can report users for their avatars, and action will be taken appropriately-- even if they're wearing a clone.

[thin dagger]

Wait, so can you actually deactivate the new sharing system on specific public avatars?

[small wing]

Alright.

[rigid crescent]

yeah that was my first thought lol but people are already sharing crash avatars from their own worlds

[covert chasm]

@thin dagger The post points out that there are two ways to disable it. Turn off the option in-app Settings, or set the avatar to Private.

[rigid crescent]

this makes it slightly easier, but basically it really just shaves seconds off of what would've normally taken a bit longer.

[small wing]

I just hope people dont use this to blare loud audio clips or bright animations.

[thin dagger]

ah alright then

[worthy vortex]

So just ot be clear i can turn this off in game. You dont HAVE to turn it off in SDK. I wanna make sure there is a in game option because all the data of my avatar I made and dont want to be cloned is on my old computer.

[glossy wharf]

Can you explain the inapp version?

[rigid crescent]

It says you can turn it off ingame

[glossy wharf]

So i can go to my ingame settings and disable it?

[vocal shard]

The more people who report those who infringe, the better the vrchat community will become. That's my view anyway

[glossy wharf]

Official confirmation please

[worthy vortex]

Yea I assume so but I just make sure I got that right lol

[covert chasm]

@glossy wharf It is stated in the announcement. I'll repeat it here: Open Settings, uncheck "Allow Avatar Cloning."

[sly veldt]

Yes. In settings. Maybe read the post?

[rigid crescent]

OOOOOOOH BURN

[sly veldt]

lol

[rigid crescent]

@glossy wharf #announcements

[keen hamlet]

But if the avatar is set to Private, my friends can't try it out with the pedestal correct? Wouldn't it be better to have a checkbox that says "Cloneable" or something?

[valid sandal]

dab

[worthy vortex]

it's called makeing sure I read that right ron...

[covert chasm]

If the avatar is set to Private, you can't clone it, period.

[glossy wharf]

It wouldnt be the first time something is different ingame than the announcement so im just making sure ;)

[rigid crescent]

lol nice try at a save sai ❤

[empty wharf]

This is an interesting addition

[vocal shard]

~Very ~nice~

[worthy vortex]

Im very paranoid now lol.

[empty wharf]

I actually praise this addition, I’ve lost a lot of cool people because we got separated lookin for avatars. Back in January of course, but even still.

[rigid crescent]

now you cant tell people to read announcements any more, you lost your Announcement PAss

[small wing]

I'm going to make an avatar that holds up a sign that says "I took this avatar from Red because i love him" and never get my avatar copied ever again.

[glossy wharf]

Shit dude not again

[rose timber]

Remember, you don't need to re-upload your avatar to set it private/public. You can just do it from the SDK manager window.

[sly veldt]

@empty wharf exactlly..

[tidal aspen]

TLDR Users have a setting so people have the OPTION to wear your current avatar IF it is an avatar marked as public

[empty wharf]

Tbh, it makes it easier to do fun raids.

[tacit plank]

Only addition I want is a "friends only" sharing

[vocal shard]

@rose timber Thanks for that. I didn't know

[opaque oriole]

heh, I just thought of when usernames broke.... I ended up seeing a unity project called no username toasty lol

[covert linden]

Friends only would be good id share with friends

[vocal shard]

Idk how to feel about this new addition

[rigid crescent]

My personal one are all set to private so any that im wearing will be my public ones anyway

[worthy vortex]

What @Caffine said! I think that would be a great idea!

[covert linden]

The ones I commissioned are public but its tweakable

[keen hamlet]

Yea that's fine. However when avatar is set to Private, people can't click on an Avatar Pedestal of said avatar.

[thin dagger]

Would honestly prefer if you could just gift the avatar to certain people instead

[dark narwhal]

This feature seems amazing

[tacit plank]

I want my friends to copy my avatars, but some of them have subtle lewd parts in them. My friends won't care, but if it spreads randomly then that would be bad

[rigid crescent]

You can. just take them in private, turn it on, then turn it off again before you leave

[small wing]

Now ugandans can (literally) spread ebola.

lol

[empty wharf]

Yes.

[covert linden]

Thats amazing

[dark narwhal]

zombie mini game anyone?

[worthy vortex]

Audio go home... just go.

[empty wharf]

This update will revive dead memes.

[thin dagger]

The raiding situations in the future will be quite interesting

[small wing]

Dont make me say my name, i have to count it.

[opaque oriole]

no

[vocal shard]

Friends only sharing would be a nice feature tbh

[opaque oriole]

how do make custom avatar????

[hollow sluice]

Can we like make it so people cant steal custom avatars in the new update?

[gusty laurel]

yes?

[opaque oriole]

[covert linden]

@opaque oriole unity + blender

[hollow sluice]

Good

[gusty laurel]

just set it to private

[flint ore]

Cloning Publics are something I needed.

[rigid crescent]

The only downside I can really think of to this is it hurting Avatar World statistics

[dark narwhal]

its not stealing its sharing

[opaque oriole]

@covert linden custom avatar is a joke from way back

[covert linden]

Ahh

[covert chasm]

@rigid crescent We thought of that, so we added the "View Author" button

[tacit plank]

Right now it's either:
a: private, only you can use it
b: public, if all of VRChat wants to use your avatar, you're powerless to stop it once at least one person copied it

[flint ore]

Yeah, privates (like ones you made) are not public.

[covert chasm]

TBH, it actually is getting me to check out more avatar worlds in Closed Beta testing.

[opaque oriole]

that explains this emote @covert linden

[covert chasm]

Click view author, see their worlds, go check them out

[empty wharf]

Yeah, because if you don’t have that Author feature, the creators would be rather pissed

[hollow sluice]

Its stealing if its a private custom avatar and they take it

[rigid crescent]

Yeah that's what I noticed in the other notes. Worst case scenario they get favorited slightly less, but that's really not a huge issue since you can still only favorite 3.

[dark narwhal]

Makes sense cause now u instantly know who made the avatar and where more like it may be

[covert chasm]

You cannot clone an avatar set to Private. @hollow sluice

[empty wharf]

Yeah, don’t mistake stealing with this sharing thing.

Yeah that’s just snatching

[gusty laurel]

i feel like this will be bad for people that bought avatars (not custom avatars etc) and are unaware of the public/private thing

[vocal shard]

I've met a lot of good people in avatar worlds, it'd be a shame for those worlds to become less relevant

[elfin ether]

lol

[rigid crescent]

🤔 any chance this is part of my conspiracy theory where you guys are trying to help rotate out un-published world avatars

[thin dagger]

"Share Avatar" button for people would be better imo, though how to deal with the spam 🤔

[covert linden]

@gusty laurel commissioners should know and set it to private

[deep shuttle]

Will you be able to see avatar descriptions with this?

[worthy vortex]

yea unfortunately what Melon is trying to say is still a problem. I saw some one use the hack to copy other's avatar the other day. That's why this new update has me a bit paranoid.

[empty wharf]

Yeah all mine are set to private

[vocal shard]

Wouldn't this mean that avatar worlds will drag less attention to It?

[gusty laurel]

its not comissioner, im talking about people that buy from booth/gumroad/etc lol

[tacit plank]

And it should be off by default. Players will be confused otherwise

[hollow sluice]

Sweet so you can just set any avatar you upload to private

[rigid crescent]

It's already possible Breonnick, it literally can't get any worse lol

[gusty laurel]

not "custom comissions" that are just stolen parts anyway

[tacit plank]

But all in all, a good system for avatars which are meant to be destributed

[empty wharf]

Lmao, go back a few months and his skin sharing would be scary to people. Have someone play this that hasn’t in a while and they’ll freak out if everyone starts looking the same

[covert linden]

They should see in settings, I go in my settings daily for various reasons so if they dont see its their own accord

[iron seal]

tbh im happy you can "take" avis, means less hunting specific avis and more interacting and finding newer ones

[shy nest]

yo so basically everyone is early 2018 hackers when this clone feature comes out

[dark narwhal]

i like that you will be able to share now without making a world

[gusty laurel]

i mean people that dont really speak english, just buy the avatar, and arent really reading the updates etc on twitter or whatever in their language

mostly korean/japanese people

[rigid crescent]

I'm pretty sure JP Communtiy translate notes as well

[hollow sluice]

Hmm i guess it means people can avatar raid/spam easier then too

[tacit plank]

Yeah, asian avatars are often sold

[hollow sluice]

More trolling potential tbh

[tacit plank]

So all destribution is bad

[rigid crescent]

Korean, JP, Russian, all the major languages. I'm sure they translate patchnotes for their community.

[worthy vortex]

One word Melon..... Zombie Rp!

[gusty laurel]

they do but i know a few people that dont read them and have to be told by me or other people after logging in

[dark narwhal]

The are realeasing the update Jan 1st for the Knuckles raids

[worthy vortex]

ok 2 but you get my point.

[gusty laurel]

and they are like wtf is this

[tacit plank]

It's like pirating dynamic bones. Easy but questionable

[raven silo]

guess somone have translate #announcements

other langauge

[rigid crescent]

It's up to users to keep themselves informed.

[subtle prawn]

^

[rigid crescent]

they do Jazneo

[gusty laurel]

yeah i was just saying a potential issue with it

[tacit plank]

If you didn't have Discord, people would just be randomly copying your avatars

[rigid crescent]

Once you learn about it, just detach the blueprint ID.

[tacit plank]

And you'd likely blame it on hackers

[worthy vortex]

Really though guys! ZOMBIE RP! Does that not sound fun as hell?

[umbral nova]

Luhmaou

[dark narwhal]

gonna put my sight a mile in the sky so when someone uses my avatar we will be alone together in the sky

[royal basin]

If they dont set their uploaded avatars to private when the sdk sets it to private by default on upload then thats kind of their own fault isnt it

[gusty laurel]

and how maybe it shouldnt be open by default maybe...? only open by default on avatars that are taken from worlds

[worthy vortex]

You get tagged gotta copy the zombie avatar.

[raven silo]

there some people dont use vrchat discord so i post in other discord who on vrchat

[gusty laurel]

doesnt seem that hard

[viscid seal]

They should give authors the option to make avatars pedestal only. Some worlds may have specific avatars as a reward for completing something and may not want that avatar to ever be clonable

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, their Booth.jp shouldn't be set to Public anyway

[dark narwhal]

Ya Breon i mentioned that as well

id play zombies

[vocal shard]

What Lakuza said.

[umbral nova]

I want a raid of that one avatar that was maliciously unoptimized

[covert chasm]

JP community translates all of our docs and actually makes it look a lot better than how I make it look on docs.vrchat.com

[quiet prawn]

Haha

[covert chasm]

Dunno where they host it but I've seen screenshots

[rigid crescent]

Yeah at least 2 of my JP friends have known about patch notes before I even had a chance to read them lol

[dark narwhal]

soooo....i need to learn Japanese

[rigid crescent]

so they're fast, that's for sure.

[quiet prawn]

When you get outplayed by the jp community.

[tacit plank]

That's great 😄 I'd like a link

[small wing]

I was hearing chairs are coming back. I love you guys.

[umbral nova]

Tupper was it you who reviewed that world or was it someone else?

[dusty seal]

Im confused, is the avatar copying setting going to be per-avatar or per account?

[viscid seal]

Tupper, will a canny on the clone avatar feature be allowed?

[gusty laurel]

but not everybody reads it, so im wondering why this cant just be off by default on non-world-taken-from avatars

[royal basin]

Both

[viscid seal]

or do you want it to go live first?

[tacit plank]

Setting is global I think. Avatar "public" status is per avatar

[gusty laurel]

thats all

[rigid crescent]

I mean there's no reason for your Booth or other non-distributable model to bet set to Public, so it should be fine even if they don't read, righT?

[royal basin]

But you dont need to worry about it if your avatar is already to set to private?

[quiet prawn]

Kaj, it's both. Per avatar via private/public status + per account via menu options.

[vast tulip]

this feature is pretty fun. something about it is just exciting when a virus starts to spread :P

[shy nest]

imagine not having your avatars set to private

[dusty seal]

Assuming all public avatars can be copied, that kind of ruins worlds where the 'reward' is an avatar from a pedestal, even if there are ways to circumvent that

[tacit plank]

In old SDKs, it's public by default

[gusty laurel]

ok.. im just saying people might make a mistake

[keen hamlet]

@viscid seal Pedestal Only Avatar - exactly what I'm wondering too.. I only share my avatars with really close friends from pedestal in private world.. so this update would force me to remove them

[royal basin]

Avatars are uploaded as private by default

[umbral nova]

@shy nest This meme was made by the Old SDK gang

[rigid crescent]

Why? Just turn off sharing....

[viscid seal]

for me its more that I dont want all my avatars to be allowed for cloning. I have a quest world

with some hard to get avatars XD

so would prefer those hard to get ones to stay that way

[covert chasm]

@viscid seal It isn't in an openly available beta yet, so it isn't open for feedback. You should probably try the feature first before providing feedback!

[umbral nova]

I'm glad I set my nickname to this preemptively

[vast tulip]

@keen hamlet you can turn off so no one can copy your avatar no matter what its status is

[tacit plank]

Biggest problem with this system is that if you share once, it's out of your hands. Even if you turn it off, others can copy whoever copied you

[vocal shard]

Nice eevee ^^

[viscid seal]

i think the feature itself is good tupper, just need a pedestal only option 😛

[quiet prawn]

not true

[covert chasm]

Incorrect @tacit plank , set the avatar to private.

[gusty laurel]

oh, ok

[covert chasm]

It will eventually bounce the people wearing it out of the avatar.

[tacit plank]

You could do that, but you'd have to leave the game and open Unity

[vocal shard]

ah good

[gusty laurel]

i didnt know that, that's good

[umbral nova]

Wait really it can?

[raven silo]

why not just have uncheck mark in game first anyone use check mark it

[umbral nova]

I didn't know it did that

[keen hamlet]

@vast tulip by making it private ? comes back to the fact that people can't get it from pedestal if the avatar is private

[dark narwhal]

leaving the game....ohh nooo

[vast tulip]

and about reward avatars. if people value it as a rare "reward" they wont let people take it from them for free :P sure, it will happen. but I dont think it's as serious as it sounds

[fading tendon]

Ayo uhh Tupper what about older models.... Do you need to set the "cloning off" feature up for everything.. or will all private models be set to cloning off?

[vast tulip]

@keen hamlet - To disable users being able to clone your avatar, no matter which avatar you're wearing, uncheck "Allow Avatar Cloning" in settings.

[covert chasm]

@fading tendon As mentioned in the announcement, you set it to a Private Avatar.

[umbral nova]

@vast tulip Reward avatars such as miku_gun in the Stormy Cave map?

[fading tendon]

Ah ok

[tacit plank]

I think we need more states than "public" and "private" is all..
"Public" "Pedestal only" "Friends only" "Private"

[raven silo]

i think best have disable first then have on by default lol

[quiet prawn]

Private means can't be cloned. Regardless of when uploaded

[fading tendon]

Duh

[covert chasm]

The setting in in-app Settings is an overall option for whatever you're wearing.

[keen hamlet]

@vast tulip that's just for yourself tho, if a friend leaves with the avatar and doesn't have that settings turned on, my avatar is getting cloned lol

[raven silo]

if anyone want use will go in setting

[covert chasm]

Basically, the button makes these two checks first before letting you clone:

if (target user's avatar is private OR target user's "Allow Avatar Cloning" is disabled) {
  do not allow cloning
} else {
  allow cloning
}```

[dusty seal]

RIP reward pedestal avatars

[covert chasm]

that's the pseudocode to end all pseudocode, but close enough

[safe prism]

for reward pedestals, just turn off the per-user setting and poof

[rigid crescent]

that's only for the person

if it's set to private then the person who won it can't use it. if it's set to public, anyone can use it and no one can stop someone from just turning their settings off to get it cloned. that's the issue they have, i think

[tacit plank]

Linebreak before brackets please D:

[covert chasm]

heck no im a rebel

[dusty seal]

Oof eeve

[umbral nova]

Big oof

[dark narwhal]

dun dun dun

[safe prism]

Linebreak before brackets please D:
that is heresy

go back to microsoft

[dark narwhal]

[calm stratus]

Clone avatar HELL YEAH

[tacit plank]

if ()
{
}
The beauty is that code which is nested in 3 loops is indented to the exact same depth

[umbral nova]

Also the Pika emote

[dark narwhal]

can i clone someone who cloned me?

[umbral nova]

Don't think I won't notice that

[calm stratus]

more roleplay + aids at the same time ( still nice as hell )

[dark narwhal]

would i still be the original?

[safe prism]

there is no benefit except padding length

[calm stratus]

you will be a clone of a clone and never be known to man haha

[tacit plank]

By indenting, you can see how many loops or statements deep you are. Helpful if you're doing complicated logic

[safe prism]

no one said you can't indent

[dark narwhal]

[neon flume]

I find the Allman style to be more readable but generally I'll just match whatever style we're using on the project

[safe prism]

but no ```
if
{

[neon flume]

e.g. go forces you to have it on the same line K&R style 🤷

[vast tulip]

is this better?

[safe prism]

go is best

k&r best

[tacit plank]

If startbrackets are on the same line, they will be indented randomly, and you will only be seeing endbrackets. You won't know if you're 3 or 4 brackets into the function

[umbral nova]

One thing I thought of is showing where an avatar is from if you plan on cloning it

[viscid seal]

it does

[vast tulip]

if (target user's avatar is private OR target user's "Allow Avatar Cloning" is disabled) { do not allow cloning } else { allow cloning }

[viscid seal]

you can see avatar author info

which is nice 😃

[sly veldt]

We already discussed a third category, reward avatars and a whole bunch of other things. For the time being this allowed us to get it out.

[tacit plank]

Thanks

[viscid seal]

oh 😮

[tacit plank]

Can you add "Friend only" too?

[viscid seal]

ok, good to see its being considered

[umbral nova]

Ohlol

[distant charm]

Hi welcome to #pseudocode-general

[tacit plank]

Now that you're considering code changes to it 😄

[umbral nova]

Also Ron you finally convinced the others to get seats back?

[covert chasm]

I didn't need any convincing, to be fair 😛

[sly veldt]

Friend only was also discussed. There's lot of things you guys aren't aware of that are knock-ons. For the time being this is the v1.0 and we'll see how it goes.

[umbral nova]

Of course you didn't, tup

[vast tulip]

personally, I want to see "Prop IDs" objects you can give away that you attach to any of your avatars. I would much rather give away a cool gun rather then an avatar with a cool gun

[covert chasm]

eevee i'm resetting your name this is confusing

[umbral nova]

Alright lol

[sly veldt]

EVERYONE wanted seats. Some of us internally kept making noise but there's been some heroes on the team that helped get it back in through sheer hard work and support.

[viscid seal]

XD lol eevee

[tacit plank]

Alright, thanks! This system is great for avatars meant to be destributed, but not for sharing amongst friends

[distant charm]

@vast tulip Then I could distribute my weapons as props

[civic plume]

oh boy

[viscid seal]

I hope the moving station shakiness has been fixed too for worlds in that case

[queen mango]

Tbh, Eevee.. I sometimes confuse it unless there is "is" in the black bar

[viscid seal]

jetpacks, vehicles etc have been suffering 😛

[civic plume]

so the game was updated ?

[sly veldt]

@tacit plank there's reasons(tm) for not doing that at the moment

[tacit plank]

And that's beautiful. A team going together to work hard so that you can mount seats on anime girls

[rigid crescent]

gotta rotate out those unoptimized public avatars from worlds that were taken down 👌

[viscid seal]

👀

[rigid crescent]

My concrete conspiracy theory no one can prove wrong ever

[calm stratus]

Make a uncencored option hehe 😃

[covert chasm]

@rigid crescent I like your theory and wish it were true, but I can confirm it is not

😛

[dusty seal]

💺 !

[rigid crescent]

ok but

[tacit plank]

At times my friends got together in a world of theirs and used the same pedestal, good times

[rigid crescent]

i'll pretend i didnt read that and bam, it's unconfirmed for smash.

[tacit plank]

We'd all claim to be the original

[vocal shard]

Lol

[rigid crescent]

man I can't wait to see a bunch of Mes running around

[quiet prawn]

Tupper confirmed for Smash

[dark narwhal]

confirming a theory to not be true is basically the same as admitting that it is 100 percent true

[tacit plank]

This update doesn't really benefit me personally, but good work still, devs!

[vocal shard]

Gonna start the mic army. Lol

[umbral nova]

I just realized, did no one make a canny for adding Avatar Cameras to the safety system? Is there another whole system coming later that would better suit that?

I want avatar cameras back for non-friends lmao

[dark narwhal]

I was wondering the same Lone

[tacit plank]

Cameras, seats and dynamic bones would all be nice

[umbral nova]

I will do this myself if no one else has

[viscid seal]

👍

[dark narwhal]

Do it for the people

[civic plume]

i have no idea what’s going on lol

[tacit plank]

And at the same time, find some way to show the nameplate without so many drawcalls

[torn nebula]

Too many options gets confusing real fast - do you think someone who just downloaded vrchat knows what a dynamic bone is? :/

[tacit plank]

Can all nameplates be batched together or something strange?

[umbral nova]

20 materials

Funny thing is the nameplates textures are part of one big atlas

[dark narwhal]

whats a dynamic bone?

[tacit plank]

No, but they won't know what a shader is either

[civic plume]

i’m hungry

[tacit plank]

Oh, nameplates are actually optimized now?

[torn nebula]

Maybe better would be an option to force all avatars (maybe excluding friends) to a certain perf level. Which may mean turning off dynamic bones, audio, etc. For high poly avatars maybe it just hides the whole avatar

[dark narwhal]

that would not be easy

[idle elm]

@dark narwhal It's what powers frame sucking breasts.

[dark narwhal]

mhhhh power

[civic plume]

me- im hungry
owlboy starts typing- The Pug

[dark narwhal]

lel

[civic plume]

😂 perfect timing

[tacit plank]

Any plans on redoing dynamic bone collider classification?
1 colliders seems to be "poor performance" now

[umbral nova]

Owl I will proceed to take "frame sucking breasts" out of context from here on out.

[dark narwhal]

u cant eat the pub Monty

pug

[tacit plank]

But an avatar which can touch its titties is only 2 dynamic bone transforms and one collider..

[hollow sluice]

I agree with making it so people can disable or enable people to take the avatar they are wearing

[torn nebula]

Safety options already turn off lights, shaders, audio, so it's just a matter of, for the remaining perf categories, adding an override for that category or killing the avatar as a whole

[civic plume]

1 collider equals poor reformable?

[hollow sluice]

I have atleast 1 avatar from a friends world

[tacit plank]

I believe so

[civic plume]

dude i have like 7 on me

[tacit plank]

The chart seemed to go "0, 0, 0, 32"

[civic plume]

4 in the head and 2 on hands, that’s 6 my bad

damn maybe i’ll take grav off my avatar lmao

[torn nebula]

Though another option for dynamic bones might be to run the script on the client like IK will be in the new version

[dark narwhal]

i like to put dynamic bones on my abbs to flex my workout routine

[tacit plank]

Dynamic bones isn't owned by VRChat, I'm not sure how much they're allowed to modify how it works

[hollow sluice]

Also kinda spooky adding it in the update since the code will be easier for coders to access or edit but its not like people didnt already steal avatars before the update

[dark narwhal]

87 bones later and the people start to apperciate my muscles

[civic plume]

hahahaha

[torn nebula]

It includes full source code, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get a license to make changes

[civic plume]

make canny

[torn nebula]

If I remember when I get home lol

[civic plume]

what’s your time

12pm for me

[rigid crescent]

it's weird the IK thing isn't being massively hyped, I feel like that's gonna be the biggest performance boost we've seen or will see for a long time.

[torn nebula]

5:45pm, I'll head home after dinner so not too long :)

[stoic halo]

why do social anxiety gotta be like dis. let me interact with people without feeling shook pls

[vocal shard]

I don't think many understand the significance of that

[dark narwhal]

thats because most people dont fully understand IK

[still lark]

Hop on an alt leah and mess around. lol

[dark narwhal]

cough cough....definitely not me

[stoic halo]

i dont got an alt

[rigid crescent]

The IK is basically what tells the rest of your body what's happening when your arms/head move

[still lark]

Make one, it's easy to do.

[civic plume]

@rigid crescent imagine if the update came and IK was broken? or just more perf costly 🤔

[stoic halo]

i dont wanna though

[tacit plank]

Many people are still laggy. Others will teleport or have their avatar slowly move to rest position and back

[rigid crescent]

I don't think it can be more perf costly than it already is LOL

[royal basin]

Wait whats going to change with the ik

[civic plume]

true but who knows man

[tacit plank]

I'm still laggy, but I go to laggy maps with purples who love dynamic bones, so that can't be helped

[torn nebula]

@civic plume nah, the amount of calculation you'll need to do will go down (bandwidth usage will go up slightly)

[civic plume]

i’m excited coz unity 2017 took a lot of my cpu and now IK being improved might take even more off

[royal basin]

Also is it just me or does chairs just freeze your entire lower body now

[dark narwhal]

can they just make it where the humanoid rig needs breasts to upload

[rigid crescent]

We have implemented heavy optimizations to the IK system! You now only calculate the IK of your own local avatar, and you transmit the results of those calculations to others. This should greatly reduce the cost of IK, which was previously one of the most intensive parts of the app

@dark narwhal you're a genius

[civic plume]

guys was this update released or are we just discussing about it?

[royal basin]

Ohh nice

[tacit plank]

Could use a server

[torn nebula]

@civic plume not released yet

[civic plume]

okay

[rigid crescent]

It's not released.

[torn nebula]

[vocal shard]

One thing the 2017 did was make spawned things despawn when more people join a world

[rigid crescent]

Is that a 2017 issue or a world didn't reupload issue?

[vocal shard]

And immense lag from deletion of spawned items

[civic plume]

[tacit plank]

32 people send to server, 32 recieve from server = 64 messages.
Everybody send to eachother = 32*31=992 messages

[viscid seal]

Pelinal, is this from a world thats been uploaded in 2017?

[tacit plank]

P2P scales bad I think

[vocal shard]

Lakuza, yes.

[rigid crescent]

:0 oh wait i think i saw that in a world with pens actually

[viscid seal]

Wasn't aware of this

[still lark]

The only P2P thing in VRC is the voice I believe.

[viscid seal]

I'll need to test some of my worlds in that case

[rigid crescent]

i assumed someone hit a reset button since it was pens

[errant merlin]

I’m worried that hackers are gonna figure out a way to clone people’s private avatars with the new function..

[torn nebula]

@tacit plank that can go through the server, or if it is p2p no one client sees the N^2 messages so it's not an issue in practice

[rigid crescent]

THey already can

[viscid seal]

I've been told pens (atleast snails) have issues

where some people wont see the lines drawn

[neon flume]

This is late but Mic I'm super hyped about the IK change. I'm so excited to see how much of a performance gain it is for us.

[viscid seal]

its one of the feedback I got for one of the worlds I uploaded a few days ago using snail pens

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, it's my favorite part. chairs can take a seat

[tacit plank]

Recently I've had a bug where both of my hands permanently change into "Hold to grab"
And good point bd, but still, sending to the server is easier for a client than sending to 31 other players

[vocal shard]

At first I thought that people were hitting the "drop stuff" button, but they weren't. And not everything on the table was disappearing.

[torn nebula]

Is there a permission setting to control who can sit on you

[crisp ruin]

Wait was ik on vrc improved?

[viscid seal]

@tacit plank is there a item prompt when that happens?

[vocal shard]

Only way to get around this is to have the world be invite only and not let anyone join when you're using said spawned items

[viscid seal]

like it wants you to pick up something?

[vocal shard]

Annoying for a dnd world.

[sly veldt]

@torn nebula nope. use at your own peril

[tacit plank]

Both hands just say "Hold to grab" Like the entire world is one big item and that you're inside that hitbox

[torn nebula]

@sly veldt can you tell if an avatar has a chair when you're in it then?

[viscid seal]

yeah, thats because that item has a nan something XD

not sure what the right term is

but NaN is what i was told

happens if the item has a weird transform value

[tacit plank]

It happened in your world too. But Unity is probably to blame

[civic plume]

Lol a pile of knuckles chillin on my lap

[viscid seal]

yeah, the item must have been shot out due to rigidbodies

and then bugged out to cover the entire world

[still lark]

A pickup has gone into NaN land

that's what you're seeing

[torn nebula]

@civic plume you're thinking too small. You'll be able to build a knuckles tower

[tacit plank]

Japan Town. Only happened to me and a friend.
I've been told it happens if two rigidbodies are pushed into eachother really hard or something

[viscid seal]

oh in Japan town too? which item was it?

[civic plume]

that’s what i meant Pile, tats what i was thinking lmao

[crisp ruin]

Speaking of rigid bodies does anyone know why rigid bodies on avatars are disabled in some worlds?

[sly veldt]

@torn nebula nope. rough and ready to get it out for people to mess with. you may get hitchhikers. You can point your hand at a station on an avatar to see if there is one tho.

[tacit plank]

I don't remember which item I was near when it happened, but I only used the buttons and pens and my VR camera

[torn nebula]

Okay then. We'll see how much confusion ensues :)

[keen plinth]

Hey just to make sure I'm hearing this right, did someone say avatar chairs are (likely) coming back?

[viscid seal]

thanks, i'll double check to make sure theres no item placed inside another collider on world spawn

[civic plume]

they are coming back @keen plinth

[torn nebula]

@keen plinth yes, next version has chairs, more polygons, and big perf improvements

[tacit plank]

The problem with snailmarker is that it syncs badly. If you write too fast, the controller presses will be delayed a bit

[sly veldt]

@keen plinth yes

[tacit plank]

And thank you! I love your map

[pallid vapor]

Hoping the new cloning feature can be toggled off on public avatars. Some people spent a lot of time finding secret/hidden avatars, plus I've "given" friends avatars though pedestals in my private world

[viscid seal]

yeah, but the other option is noe noe pens

which i don't like

[rigid crescent]

Are we going to be able to do animation stuff with Chairs again? Will they be any different than the accidental release?

[tacit plank]

Is that the one which uses dots? They both desync though

[crisp ruin]

Is there a post on this where I can read the rest of the improvements?

[sly veldt]

Also way smoother avatar stations. there has been some roller coaster rides with smooth ik and no jitter too.

[civic plume]

what’s so bad about them? i use snail marker

[viscid seal]

oooh 😮

I hope this means my mounts are fixed 😮

they've been broken since August 😭

[tacit plank]

I made mine slightly better by doubleing the update-rate. Still not synced properly for very fast writing though

[sly veldt]

@pallid vapor read the announcement details

[vast tulip]

from what I have seen on the stations. they are fixed in worlds too and are VERY smooth now