vrchat-general-2

[civic plume]

ill tell yo usomething\

[brisk umbra]

Everyone having a good day?

[grave dagger]

So far 😊

[vocal shard]

any updates at all on the reconnection loop if ur ping is over a certain amount? :p (is somewhere between 250-400, not entirely sure where in there)

[mighty galleon]

drpotato!!!!

[vocal shard]

yo.

[mighty galleon]

my favorite loli is alive

[vocal shard]

barely, this reconnection loop on world leave is getting annoying

I have to launch from the website n can't change instances :p

[mighty galleon]

blame communism

[vocal shard]

I wish lol 2018.4.3p1 update broke changing instances if ur over a certain ping apparently

[covert linden]

Idk mines always 90

[vocal shard]

mines usually between 600-800

[covert linden]

Omg thats awful

[vocal shard]

but its not like jittery or anything, its completely stable so I'm usually just half a second behind everyone

satellite internet xDD

[covert linden]

Ahh

I want fiberoptics internet

[vocal shard]

same T-T but me in sticks, so its satillite vs dail up

[covert linden]

That suuckz

Im mid city

[vocal shard]

is not a big problem .-. they just need to change what identifies a connection in an "error" state so that I can change instances again

or add an option to turn it off

[mighty galleon]

<.<

[brave granite]

I was encouraged to post a bug report in the canny about an editor freezing bug I found yesterday, finally got around to it... I hope it helps D: https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/having-the-build-control-panel-visible-periodically-freezes-the-unity-editor-int

I tried to add all the information I cound think of to make it easy for a developer to reproduce and pinpoint the issue

[languid beacon]

I strongly suspect you may be advised to “not do that” tho x)

Good write up though

[brave granite]

I wouldn't be surprised if it affects close to everyone working on vrchat content creation, because having the build control panel open would be pretty common

a couple of friends already thanked me for spreading the word

[languid beacon]

I wonder what the cause is. It should only be reimportijg assets if something changes which should happen wether or not a tab for the window is open

[brave granite]

it's in the text I wrote, reading a string over and over causes unity to do garbage collection, essentially clearing wasted memory

and while that memory is being cleared you can't do anything, which freezes the interface

I figured for a bug report I would stick to facts to keep it short

[brave granite]

my hopes for getting the bug fixed were crushed by finding basically a dupe of the report I made from january almost a year ago

hey at least I found the source of the issue, it's in there now if you care <.<

[safe marsh]

owo unity assets are on 50% sale

[languid beacon]

All?

[ruby needle]

again?

damn how often do they do sales

[safe marsh]

not sure, just went looking for the dynamic bones

and those are c:

[zinc sluice]

hey, i need some assistance with a general problem im pretty sure a lot of people get. i performed a clean pc reset a few days ago which borked some things (was trying to switch to windows 7 but since my pc was prebuilt with windows 10, it just went right back to win 10) and one of them was that something happened with my mic in vrchat where i could hear myself speak while im talking (V)

can someone give me some insight/help? would be appreciated

[safe marsh]

was about to say i refuse giving help to anyone still stubborn enough to want to go back to an out of support os ..

[zinc sluice]

nah, yeah. i'm still in windows 10.

[safe marsh]

On your playback devices go to it's settings, its most likely set to 'Listen' to the mic

i'm at work can't rly help you throughly .-.

there will be an option saying ' Listen to this device ' which is then pointing to the recording device

[zinc sluice]

'listen to this device' isnt checked. weird.

[safe marsh]

hm

oh, can you also listen to yourself if you speak on the mic in windows?

or only in game?

[zinc sluice]

somewhat certain it's only in-game. ive spoken in discord vcs before and it doesnt echo the input through my headphones in those

[opaque hawk]

Vrc adds a another level of mic gain.

[zinc sluice]

ah, so then, what would be the proper steps in this case? turn the mic slider down in vrc and up it in windows?

[signal thunder]

whens the optimization update roll outt

[neon flume]

but actually not ™

[delicate stump]

so... the oculus vrchat account.. can't be converted from the steam one?

or equalized..

I entered it and It gave me a random name lol

[languid beacon]

There are no oculus accounts

VRChat accounts can be used on any service

Steam accounts can only be used on steam and cannot upload content but can be converted to proper vrc accounts

To get upload privileges

@delicate stump

If you have made both you can also merge

[civic plume]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 5168 users in VRChat currently

[civic plume]

hey

[delicate stump]

I see, I use the vrchat account in the oculus version

then it gives me the option to use an oculus one too

oculus store version that was released the other day

[civic plume]

@delicate stump #user-support-old

[languid beacon]

The option should have been steam account or VRC account there is no oculus accounts to my knowledge

Using a steam account tends to be a waste of time and you get dumb numbers in your name

[covert linden]

Some people with steam accs dont have the numbers

[languid beacon]

If their name is long it isn’t on the name tag but is in detail page

[covert linden]

Yeah it is

[languid beacon]

It just gets cut off of nametag it’s still part of their name for friending

[civic plume]

hey ash

this car in front spitting out black smoke from its exhaust

[vocal shard]

did they remove the favorite worlds tab?

[glossy wharf]

No its a bug.

they are aware of it

[languid beacon]

I know a guy named “Thomas the Dragon” whos name unfortunately got chopped to just “Thomas the” and now everyone calls him Thomas the Tank Engine

[dark narwhal]

Thomas the Misunderstood

[vocal shard]

oh. Thanks ^^

[delicate stump]

lol

[dark narwhal]

Enemy lol spotted take cover

[astral thicket]

anyone wanna play vrchat with me later?

[dark narwhal]

Hmmm playing with the anime police!?!

[astral thicket]

@dark narwhal yeah

[delicate stump]

play with the stick

[dark narwhal]

[languid beacon]

How long until we get people coming in saying people are crashing them for wearing red star avatars

[vernal spade]

Hey, are the Toga and Ikita World going back?

[civic plume]

that world broke last time i saw it

[vernal spade]

It's broken now then...

[tiny ginkgo]

Where do you guys go if you want to dance? Not the scripted stuff

[opal shale]

id like to know too!

[vocal shard]

i dont know nothing

[tiny ginkgo]

The best for me has so far been random worlds where someone's suddenly putting music on. I know it annoys a lot of people but I'm having so much fun

So I was looking for a more.. dedicated space

[silk vale]

There’s dancing discords in the community servers I think

There’s DDVR and Vrchat party community

[tiny ginkgo]

Oh I guess outside of Discord or?

The last two I mean..

[silk vale]

I just looked and the vrchat party community is in the community servers. Just join them to find out when they host dance parties

[tiny ginkgo]

I'm... Going to sound stupid now... What are the community servers?

[plucky brook]

Discord servers related to vrchat, created and maintained by the vrchat community.

[civic plume]

i think i should fix my avatar rig this holidays so when i get pimax and i go full body it’s would be so much more worth it

[delicate stump]

[tiny ginkgo]

Ah thanks. I'll try to find them

[vocal shard]

anyone is also upset about that vrchat gonna make a feature where u can copy avatars ?

[crisp moth]

it's only if the avatar has it enabled.

[vocal shard]

I think if it is set to disabled by default, it will be fine. It's only public avatars

I'd be a bit upset about that

But eh

iam really upset, the reason is because this will make an huge secury risk against hacker. there will be more and more and they are gonna code a hack that you can even steal private avatars... also if its not enabled... i mean... wtf.. if this comes through, vrchat is dying. i dont like that change

[crisp moth]

no it won't

[vocal shard]

trust me, with unity, everything is possible

see now, there are still hackers

and they wont stop... even after security updates every update

They don't have to wait for the update... Avatar stealing was a thing before anyway

i dont like that...

but now they are gonna make it even easier for the hackers

i dont get it... srsly

[crisp moth]

Lol, it's not Unitys fault, VRChat has horrible implementations.

[vocal shard]

idk, this is gonna kill vrchat

imagine ur working on an avatar 3 weeks with full animation and stuff, and some random guy joins and says: "oh hey, cool avatar, YOINK, mine now" and all your work is gone

I highly doubt it... But if you feel that way. I was concerned as well for the exact same reason... But really, i don't think it will be a big issue. Same situation as when avatar stealing was everywhere

im realy upset, vrchat already know that there are so many hackers in this game

[crisp moth]

That's how it's always been.

[vocal shard]

If someone steals it... Re-upload in a different id. Then they lost the favorite

i mean the game is free, thats fine but why are they making this change without asking us?

Uh what?

That's what the betas are for... For our feedback

Our turn to test hasn't come yet

eh yea i forgot lol

[crisp moth]

You think this is a democracy? You are their product, not their staff.

[vocal shard]

They go through the closed beta... Then the open beta where we can try it out and submit our concerns about it

idk, so many of my friends who are doing huge animations are already upset about it idk

[rigid crescent]

more sky falling

[vocal shard]

:/

[umbral reef]

Make a proper canny post
Get enough people to support you
Give proper arguments so they don't have to make them for you
Don't reach to far

And have all the luck you need
Then you can maybe change something

[crisp moth]

Complaining isn't going to accomplish much, take action.

[vocal shard]

im sure there will be posts like that if its in open beta

come on... They just want to make raids easier

[crisp moth]

^

[vocal shard]

my english is not good enough to make good arguments ^^

[rigid crescent]

avatar privitization is serverside. your avatars are fine. they wont be any easier to steal than before

[umbral reef]

You under estimate users my dude
People don't report the worse bugs out there and if they do it's more along the lines of "it's broken fix this"

[vocal shard]

we'll see how it goes

[crisp moth]

So long as something exists, it's hackable.

[vocal shard]

i just can hope ppl gonna make arguments and give negative feedback about it for the good unity users

There were already canny posts, but we were asked to wait for open beta to try it ourselves and then we can post.

[rigid crescent]

well "it might make it easier" but no evidence is all youve got as of now...

[vocal shard]

do you have evidence that there will be no hackers with this?

[sullen escarp]

people who hack can already do this

[rigid crescent]

the burden of proof isnt onus, its on you

youre making the claim

[sullen escarp]

as long as they restrict avatar copying to user ranks that can use avatars from private worlds, i don't see an issue with the feature tbh

[crisp moth]

@rigid crescent *Lovense API integration"... Yes pls

[rigid crescent]

shhh we cant talk about that lol

[vocal shard]

they could atleast make like if your a User, you cant like copying avatars which has higher rank since high rank people spending alot of time in vrchat and Visitors/Users are not

[umbral reef]

You even read how the system works?

[rigid crescent]

ivy, you didnt read the ystem

[crisp moth]

Lol, quit complaining.

[umbral reef]

It's extremely unclear but read it calmly and right

[idle cipher]

bruh someone has a package of one of my avatars i used oftenly and i have to abandon it ;/

[rigid crescent]

Loooool

[sullen escarp]

lol ragequit

[vocal shard]

[rigid crescent]

idkot. you misread the patchnotes

[umbral reef]

They need to be set to be a public avatar what does not happen by default
And even then you can turn off being able to get the public avatars you used to not be taken

[crisp moth]

I'll just document everything regarding the API sooner or later anyways.

[umbral reef]

There is a big document already incon

[rigid crescent]

only public avatars can be shared, dont make it public if you dont want it shared

[vocal shard]

Their claim is that they will be able to bypass private avatars and copy those..

[rigid crescent]

which ypu can already lol

[sullen escarp]

maybe by modding the game, but at that point you're already cheating 🤔

[rigid crescent]

i hate people like that lol hes shown he didnt read it

[umbral reef]

Unless users do the exact same the currently do they will be unable to steal avatars

@vocal shard but do you understand the system now?

[crisp moth]

{
  "status":"active",
  "statusDescription":"",
  "tags":[
    "system_avatar_access",
    "system_world_access",
    "system_trust_basic",
    "system_trust_intermediate",
    "system_feedback_access",
    "system_trust_known"
  ],
  "developerType":"none",
  "last_login":"2018-12-17T21:40:32.783Z",
  "allowAvatarCopying":true,
  "isFriend":false,
  "friendKey":"censored"
}``` by default allow coping is true.

[sullen escarp]

we knew that already lol

[umbral reef]

They state that clearly within the documents themselves
This does not allow anyone can Nick all your avatars
As also explained within the documents ...

[sullen escarp]

it's in the change log

[crisp moth]

I know

[rigid crescent]

👀

[umbral reef]

An avatar has be set to public before people can copy it
If I allow users to copy my avatars but all avatars I upload are private they still can not take them

[crisp moth]

Well, it's still possible.

But not to the typical user.

[umbral reef]

As I also stated above...

[burnt marsh]

Im sure if they are modding the game already they'll be able to copy avatars anyway

[crisp moth]

The way VRChat does it is pretty stupid, they have every client download every avatar in the instance, rather then streaming the avatars.

[covert chasm]

Streaming.. is downloading though.

[burnt marsh]

unethical protip: have an avatar ugly enough no one wants it

[tidal aspen]

I was about to say

[covert chasm]

I mean I'm no engineer (and certainly not a security-focused one) but I imagine its hard to solve the puzzle of "have content display on someone's machine without having it on that user's machine"

[crisp moth]

Encryption, private keys, streaming the data, rather then just saving to disk... Ect.

[umbral reef]

So far i know from understanding this system
It would take a fully redo to be properly safe with no odds of it being taken again

[crisp moth]

^ that's true.

[tidal aspen]

just stream it 4Head

[covert chasm]

It doesn't matter if its on disk or not. If its in RAM/VRAM, it can be ripped.

[umbral reef]

Just encrypting it wont solve the problem

Any data i get unlocked and rendered on my machine is data i can steal if i care enough

[tidal aspen]

It's not like streaming is a secure thing anyway

[sullen escarp]

pretty sure there are tools for ripping straight from vram for directx games

[pallid axle]

yeah, even sites like netflix can't entirely avoid stuff being stored on your disk. it's just vastly easier to record the screen than to get it off your drive.

[umbral reef]

There is a reason you see mainly game models beside mmd's

[crisp moth]

Yup, there is no​way to prevent cheating, only stall or limit it.

[meager solstice]

There’s tool to rip from anything

[opaque hawk]

I know this isn’t everyone’s point of view, but if someone ripped your content they probably really liked it.

[obsidian delta]

well to stop one way could just detect that ninja ripper is a open process and close the thread

[tidal aspen]

or they're just gonna sell it

[umbral reef]

Iwont deny it can be better
But what people keep claiming "they should do X or Y" is to my knowledge just plain wrong and as no one explained it different to me yet... Well...

@opaque hawk I really like fancy cars and pc's
I still am not allowed to steal them...
Same goes for some patents, would love to steal some designs yea...

[tidal aspen]

It's easier to tell people how to do something when you're not involved

[crisp moth]

I'm in the field of security engineering, and it's literally impossible to make something unhackable.

[opaque hawk]

I should state that I do believe ripping other users content is wrong.

[pallid axle]

@covert chasm , have any game devs ever come forward and complained about their models being in the game?

[crisp moth]

I don't think Tupper is I'm the copyright department.

[pallid axle]

i think models from other games are really enricing VRchat, but i'd understand if someone was upset about that.

oh, i see. but maybe they... overheard something? 😉

[tidal aspen]

they take care of DMCA requests if they get a complaint or w/e

I remember someone made a beatsaber world and that got taken down

[pallid axle]

hah. yeah i guess it makes sense if it's a straight up clone

[umbral nova]

@pallid axle If there was, I would know about it

[crisp moth]

Btw, don't ping admin.

[umbral nova]

You know how many games I've ripped?

[pallid axle]

two

[umbral nova]

.....yes

[sullen escarp]

kek

[pallid axle]

@crisp moth thanks! whoops. don't ban me tupper (pls)

[umbral nova]

But I have friends who ripped far more

Also I think Tupper's fine with it since he was just in the channel a few minutes ago

[pallid axle]

BAN EVADED

[umbral nova]

I think it's if you ping the admin role specifically

[crisp moth]

lol ironic

[tidal aspen]

yeah pinging them if they're currently chatting and you wanna ask them something isn't too much of an issue compared to pinging the role outta nowhere

[vocal shard]

It's a may be kicked, not will be kicked.

[umbral nova]

Stuff like "atAdmin ur mom gey" or something

[pallid axle]

now that i think about it the new EU copyright law would be awful for vrchat o.o

[stone current]

some idiot gave me like 100 warnings on a world

do those actually do anything

[covert linden]

Ive ripped avatars lol

[umbral nova]

@stone current At that point, no. It's a single user giving multiple warnings

[pallid axle]

no @stone current . but you've been, like, super warned.

[umbral nova]

Won't do anything

[stone current]

it was like consecutive i couldnt even close menu

[crisp moth]

@ admin ur mom gae

[stone current]

is it reportable

[umbral nova]

If anything the devs will watch that user instead

Yes you can report it

If you have evidence

[stone current]

k

[trim wyvern]

is everyone having an issue with their favorite worlds not showing up in the worlds' tab on their menus?

Cause the favorites tab for the worlds is not there anymore for me.

[opaque hawk]

Is there a canny post I can upvote regarding that issue?

[pallid axle]

if not, make one! 😃

[opaque hawk]

Definitely need a general world tab issues canny post. It takes me minutes to access “my worlds”

Can’t tell if it’s slow internet or general issues.

[pallid axle]

in VRchat i've been in a couple of situations where it might have been appropriate to call the mods... would I look the fool if the players who made me call a mod disconnected?

especially since - or so i've been told - mods aren't visible to other users. then i wouldn't have the opportunity to explain myself

[ruby needle]

the best for reporting users is if you can capture either clear screenshots or a short videos and send a mail to [e-mail]

depending on what its about the output log might also be benifitial

!outputlog

[floral flax]

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt

[ruby needle]

do note that this gets overwritten each time you start the game again

[pallid axle]

oh that's good to know! thats a bunch @ruby needle

[vocal shard]

Yo whens the 70K model update dropping?

[ruby needle]

when its done

No ETA

Except Soon (non tm)

[mighty galleon]

paul

[vocal shard]

oof

FPaul, give burg.

FPaul, you need this: ™ (?)

[mighty galleon]

kindbot!

[ruby needle]

no no TM

[mighty galleon]

paul, when you open for love

[quiet prawn]

[sleek pecan]

I made a creepy IK based player transport system, do you guys want to see it?

[near saffron]

Yeah sure

[sleek pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NkSFxMe_g

They are getting culled really aggressively for some reason

There is a collider and kinematic rigidbody on the end of each arm

I would imagine the performance could be fixed with fewer, bigger arms

[near saffron]

Woah, yeah that looks creepy. Maybe the boundary box are causing the culling?

[sleek pecan]

Prob, yeah

they would be straight up and down, so as they bend and you look at the top, the box is no longer in view

[sullen escarp]

that looks amazing

[sleek pecan]

I would also imagine that larger arms would make movement smoother

[lofty tundra]

vrchat server are having HUGE issues for me

in every single world i have 400 ping, but my speedtest shows me that im absolutly fine

[halcyon matrix]

slow still enabled?

[vocal shard]

Mhmm

[vernal spade]

Have you seen this avatar?
https://unsee.cc/843bc263/

[halcyon matrix]

no

[tacit plank]

Can I use a generic avatar in VR mode?

[raven silo]

@tacit plank ya but wont have hands

[sullen escarp]

it also won't have head tracking

[tacit plank]

It's fine. I just wanted to know if it broke the VR setup or something

[sullen escarp]

nah it'll work fine

[vernal spade]

Dang... :c

[tacit plank]

Nice, thanks

[sullen escarp]

the only immersion that should be broken is your own lol

[raven silo]

so 3 dynamic bone component put in yellow if you look example pic

[tacit plank]

I made an AFK avatar

It's my avatar lying on the ground with doujinshis scattered around

[queen mango]

Lemme guess... M-rated?

[tacit plank]

Of course

But you can only see the covers, which are safe.
I'm off to bed btw, laters

[woven steppe]

should like make it so you leave them on the floor after you come back from being AFK

[dark narwhal]

rip finally after over a week i get to play vrc and i cant get the sound to work....kinda cant play without sound

i just wanted friends.......now im 4everalone

[vocal shard]

[dark narwhal]

AYE!! steam version works for me

[winged igloo]

Noice!

[marsh coral]

[agile grove]

i know theres a way to change you user name but i forgot the email for it
i wanna change it from willendler1993 to my twitch name

[covert linden]

Log into the vrc website thats how you change it

The general chat isnt gonna be able to do that

[candid charm]

hey

does anyone know of any avatar worlds that have beams such as kamehamehas and stuff

@ me if you know of any

[drifting adder]

Is anyone else missing their favorite worlds list?

[torn nebula]

@drifting adder yes, everyone is missing their favorite worlds list

[drifting adder]

xD

[covert linden]

It makes me emotional

[vocal shard]

I have 2 questions

1. Is VRChat coming to consoles?
2. Will there be a fighting mechanic added to VRChat?
   (I'm lazy to check vrchat help website)

1. Not likely
2. There's worlds with guns and health systems for games

k thanks

[stiff tree]

have any of you guys played around with vroid studios?

the 3d character creator put out by pixiv

it's pretty nice

[civic plume]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 5680 users in VRChat currently

[winged quartz]

yo do the guidelines say anything about Fiverr

[mighty galleon]

whats fiverr

[obsidian fern]

A dying site

[mighty galleon]

oh hi shun

[obsidian fern]

Hello swamp

[winged igloo]

@winged quartz What about fiverr?

[winged quartz]

I mean

Is there any rule that says anything about such platform?

In the guidelines

[winged igloo]

As far as I know, no, but if you really want to be sure take a dive into here: https://vrchat.com/legal

[candid crown]

Ok i need help, when i change to one of my models, the camera goes all tilted and backward facing

and im not sure why.

[icy thistle]

Is there any way to make Vrchat run faster on slow computers?

[civic plume]

yeah

#faq @icy thistle

[indigo yacht]

@icy thistle yes get better components / better pc

if you have good pc and still strugle optimize avatars

[vocal shard]

You can hold shift while launching the game to lower the graphics settings as well

[vocal shard]

😴

[gloomy wraith]

Can someone help me im new af to vrchat but im super tired but i litreally cant fall asleep ive been trying for the last hour so im gonna ask here

[quartz basin]

Sleep pills?

[placid zealot]

Asmr?

[mighty galleon]

-hugs the mari-

[barren fractal]

hmm

[placid zealot]

Hello Swamp xD

[twin jacinth]

Sleep pills is a big no
you can get addicted to it

[long venture]

[quartz basin]

No you can't when you don't fucking abuse it.

[mighty galleon]

hi little mari

[dapper light]

@gloomy wraith take melatonin and turn off all screens

[inner cape]

How does one stay awake in vrc for an entire day?

[dapper light]

with no distractions, breathe deeply and become comfortable

[gloomy wraith]

Nah im still awake somehow

Its all good who needs sleep anyways xd

[dapper light]

because you're online on discord

unglue your face from the screen and get into bed with the lights off

[twin jacinth]

Ghosto, have something to do constantly and don't go alone, try to speak or do some games all the time

[inner cape]

Knowing me I won't be able to

I get tired and just wanna sit quietly and chat

[gloomy wraith]

Im asleep right now 😃

[inner cape]

And that's when I start falling asleep

[twin jacinth]

ooof
then there's no hope

[inner cape]

I gotta stock up on coffee

Despite it not really working on me

[twin jacinth]

Apples can help

[inner cape]

Apples?

[twin jacinth]

Yeah apples

[inner cape]

How

[twin jacinth]

''So despite the high sugar levels, eating an apple is a much healthier alternative to drinking coffee. The sugars are also one of the main reasons apples have similar effects to caffeine. Vitamins from apples, specifically the skin, are released slowly throughout the body, making you feel more awake.''

-Google

[mighty galleon]

i hate apples

they're to hard

[queen mango]

I love the taste of apples

[inner cape]

Hmm

Guess I'll stock up on apples

[queen mango]

Sweet, watery feeling.

In your mouth

[inner cape]

Okay buddy

[mighty galleon]

elire

[inner cape]

I'm taking that out of context

[queen mango]

👀

[mighty galleon]

stop being a child

[twin jacinth]

Yee boi niceu

[inner cape]

Gotta do a trail run

A few days before the real thing

[mighty galleon]

oh my

finally losing the apple virginity?

[inner cape]

?

[mighty galleon]

hi

[gloomy wraith]

Noone is a virgin these days

[mighty galleon]

ghosto is with apples, never ate one

[inner cape]

What

[mighty galleon]

nm

[queen quartz]

I've been unable to open non-vr Vrchat on the steam and I don't know what to do can someone help me

[glossy wharf]

What have you done so far.

[queen quartz]

I've tried reinstall it 2 time doesn't seem to work

[glossy wharf]

i mean what is the exact problem, how have you tried launching

not what you tried as fixes yet.

[queen quartz]

The game doesn't show up when i click play it start up then go away no box show up

tho

[glossy wharf]

How are you launching it.

[queen quartz]

Just from steam

[glossy wharf]

Yeah but how

can you please just tell me in detail

[queen quartz]

I click play on steam then I click play non-vr vrchat then it doesn't load anything up

I'm also on windows 10

[glossy wharf]

What is your cpu

[queen quartz]

intel core i5 650

[glossy wharf]

6500?

So its not the AVX issue, try the steps in #vrchat-support

[quartz basin]

Maybe he means i5-560m which was manufactured in 2010 so it could be an AVX issue.

[glossy wharf]

he actually has a 650

which is also a 2010 cpu

its the avx issue

[queen quartz]

Ok

[sleek bone]

Am I the only one who plays VRChat 80% of the time in Public instances?

Hard to find people to hang with.

No wonder why I keep seeing russians

And you guys don't

[uncut basin]

Public instances?

Like, public places?

[sleek bone]

Yes

[meager solstice]

i mean i play mostly in public

i dont really see a specific nationality in it, i guess it depends on the times u play

[sleek bone]

Most people are in friends of guests instances

Honestly

[meager solstice]

yeah

[uncut basin]

Yeah, I go to the public places...

[sleek bone]

It kinda bugs me a lot

[signal quartz]

how did you guys find your group of friends on vrchat

did yall just find each other in public or

[sleek bone]

^

[meager solstice]

public

[sleek bone]

Then they invite?

Or let you in or somthing?

[uncut basin]

I just find my friends through walking around and talking and being silly or just walking around and having long conversations with people. And someone will add someone. But I have yet to really have a friend in VR chat where we continuously talk, sadly.

But it sounds like you guys are talking about something different, so umm nvm

[signal quartz]

nah yeah

long-term peeps

[meager solstice]

basically this is how i found my main friend group. There was a vrchat server outage, if u left u couldnt get back on the game.... So everyone in that public instance was essentially stuck. I met these 3 people they added me, i began to hang out with them and their friends than we are all still friends, been about a year now

[uncut basin]

I need friends

[signal quartz]

^

[sleek bone]

^

[near saffron]

working on avatars is how i met my first group of friends. having convos about avatars always work well

[vocal shard]

Usually friends of guests but can't stand when all they do is stand in front of a mirror all day, so recently public instances

[fading osprey]

Choosing an Avatar from a show or game you're really into can help you connect with people who also like it. Bonus points if it's a character you don't see in VRC. Your avatar can be a great conversation starter.

[tiny ginkgo]

My first sort of friend group I met by joining their table at the pug and saying hi. It was my first day in VRC.

I think "just" being open and talkative is a good way to go.. It's not always easy if you feel a bit shy of course but it works. People who are outwards going seem to attract conversation and such..

[mighty galleon]

oh hi nass

[sleek bone]

I honestly would look in the mirror less if there's a third person camera

Seriously

[mighty galleon]

nass add me in vrchat im whitmire so when ever i get on i can pat you

[sleek bone]

What

[mighty galleon]

?

[ocean bramble]

No im whitmire

[sleek bone]

omg

Did sean change his name

[mighty galleon]

yeah

hotox, i challange you!

lyeco who chu again?

[ocean bramble]

Haha!

[safe prism]

im okano

no wait

[mighty galleon]

<.<

[safe prism]

im actually 岡野

but no one knows how to say that

so im just gay tbh

[queen mango]

What the? Is that chinese?

[safe prism]

i mean it's a descendant of chinese

probably translates in chinese too

[mighty galleon]

its okano in chinese

[queen mango]

Dunno.. Okano sounds more Japanese than Chinese

[safe prism]

ye

kanji is evil

[mighty galleon]

yes

[queen mango]

But, how are they s'posed to fit all those kana symbols in their newspapers and covers without Kanji?

[mighty galleon]

HEARTLEXX

[safe marsh]

Hm, anyone else getting a problem where u upload an avatar and everything goes fine but never shows in game?

[mighty galleon]

is it a fix of an older model?

[safe marsh]

it even appears on the uploaded content inside unity vrc sdk

[mighty galleon]

well older, upload

[safe prism]

not downing kanji just explaining it's technically not chinese when it definitely is at the same time is just..

[safe marsh]

No, new stuff

[safe prism]

seems like something people would fight over

[mighty galleon]

try deleting the id of it?

[queen mango]

Hmm.. okay.

[mighty galleon]

okano i remmeber someone saying this "chinese is more flat and cornered, while japanese is more curvy"

talking about its writing

[safe prism]

writing only tho

[twin jacinth]

Is someone talking about nihongo?

[safe prism]

no please move on

c:

[mighty galleon]

no jufo's allowed

[safe marsh]

think ill drop that question on Avats chanenel 😋

[twin jacinth]

I'll cry
:(

[safe prism]

my name in kanji is equal in kun and on forms so chinese should be equal too, but that's just coincidence /shrug

[tiny ginkgo]

Are you trying to upload your first avatar @safe marsh ?

[mighty galleon]

nassssss

[tiny ginkgo]

hi

[mighty galleon]

hi

hru

[tiny ginkgo]

i met someone yesterday on vrc who told me his discord details were on his profile. I friended him but I couldn't find it. Can I see someone's profile without vrc?

[mighty galleon]

huh?

so you mean in his description it had his discord name?

[tiny ginkgo]

like, you have a little profile / description thing

yeah exactly

[glossy wharf]

afaik you can only see the status message ingame

[tiny ginkgo]

Ah, right.. Guess I'll have to find him later and ask.. with words gasp

[mighty galleon]

but its nice you found another person to befriend on discord

my friendlist is small xD

[tiny ginkgo]

Well it doesn't matter that much. People on here are so nice but you don't need them on your list to have fun with them

[quartz basin]

Don't trust anyone on Discord. Not even yourself.

[still lark]

😱

[mighty galleon]

nass is only nice b/c they have a cut pic

[tiny ginkgo]

I'll go with Sails' advice and not trust that statement

[mighty galleon]

<.<

nass's pic is cute and i has it in my cute folder

[quartz basin]

You know that's a guy, right?

[mighty galleon]

it has tits xD

[tiny ginkgo]

It can be cute in any case

[mighty galleon]

it is a drawing

[tiny ginkgo]

Or is that a lie as well

[mighty galleon]

nasssss

[tiny ginkgo]

Sails you've made me doubt my existence

[mighty galleon]

nass dont listen to sail, he's jelouse of your butt!

[quartz basin]

Trsut me, I have a well shaped butt myself.

[mighty galleon]

you're a sail, you're super skinny, no butt at all

[vocal shard]

Sonic the hedgehog movie 2019.

And Jim Carrey is Doctor Eggman

[safe marsh]

@tiny ginkgo i allready figured out, but thanks

[tiny ginkgo]

Oki!

[dark narwhal]

Doki

[mighty galleon]

doki doki

[dark narwhal]

Nani Nani

[vocal shard]

Nani

[inner cape]

Stop

[mighty galleon]

ghosto

[inner cape]

What?

[mighty galleon]

can i get a high five

[inner cape]

No

[dark narwhal]

[mighty galleon]

damn

[vocal shard]

[mighty galleon]

yay

[dark narwhal]

[covert linden]

[mighty galleon]

-hugs ash-

[covert linden]

;-; Yay

[vocal shard]

It's a sad day when you are a desktop user, cause you always wish you could do what VR users do

[queen mango]

I know that feeling

[glossy wharf]

Idk i prefer desktop over vr at this point

[tiny ginkgo]

yeah? Why?

[covert linden]

I dont lol im happy with what ive got

[glossy wharf]

Idk, vr is just tedious, i have a lot more fun in desktop

[rigid crescent]

gross

[glossy wharf]

I mostly just sing and shitpost on the game now so desktop mode > VR

[queen mango]

But with VR, you have arms

[covert linden]

I ONLY want vr to pet lolis

[rigid crescent]

"Several people are typing..."

[queen mango]

With arms, you can wave, give headpats, that stufd

[vocal shard]

I now have a ceiling mounted wire system

[glossy wharf]

I mean you can do that without vr too

just make an animation clip

[rigid crescent]

thats retarded

[vocal shard]

I need my vr. I love dancing in the Void 😍

[queen mango]

But it requires anims, and I don't have the time for that

[glossy wharf]

5 mins

[rigid crescent]

i actually do things besides shitpost so its nice being in VR while talking to someone else in VR lol

if im bored and doing something and jsut wanna talk though i'll get in and hang out while im tabbed in another window

[vocal shard]

Get vive trackers

[glossy wharf]

I have vive trackers.

they are the main reason im playing desktop now

way too tedious to set up and charge constantly

id rather just play desktop and sing and shitpost

[vocal shard]

Battery packs

[glossy wharf]

They still need to be charged

[vocal shard]

2nd set of trackers?

[glossy wharf]

Yeah because i shit out gold

and they also still need to be charged

[vocal shard]

Play without trackers

[mighty galleon]

<.< >.>

[glossy wharf]

Yeah but if i play without trackers i might aswell just play desktop

[vocal shard]

Lol

[rigid crescent]

lol saying its too tedious to charge things is like saying its too tedious to turn your computer on

[queen mango]

Here goes my doubts again.. 'VR or Switch?'

[mighty galleon]

its to tedious to get outta bed

[rigid crescent]

"it's too tedious to go pee so i pee in bottles and pour them out once a week"

[glossy wharf]

Im not saying the charging is tedious, i said setting them up every time is tedious and then charging is another downside.

[vocal shard]

Just strap a battery pack to each tracker

[rigid crescent]

that doesn't make the setup any different lol

[vocal shard]

Extra battery life

[rigid crescent]

do you know what "setup" is?

[glossy wharf]

Yeah and you still need to charge it

[queen mango]

Plus the battery pack.

[vocal shard]

You have to charge your phone too

[glossy wharf]

Good argument

[rigid crescent]

i mean sai just said it was more about setup and less about charging

[vocal shard]

I charge my phone before i sleep

[rigid crescent]

it's like he can't read...

[glossy wharf]

He doesnt read

[vocal shard]

Dont you set it up only once and then you just put on the trackers everytime u use?

[rigid crescent]

nah, whenever you get in there's a bit of fiddling you do

[vocal shard]

Idk, i dont have a vive

[glossy wharf]

THeres always fiddling to do.

[rigid crescent]

for full body that is

[vocal shard]

I have Oculus and Kinect

[glossy wharf]

Especially when you use a mixed setup with oculus

[covert linden]

You cant change the favt that it is tedious to set it up

[glossy wharf]

thats even more fiddling.

Its a tedious setup every single time

[covert linden]

Setting my laptop.up to use every time.is tedious enough for me xD cant imagine if I had vr

[tiny ginkgo]

well "normal" vr can be easy @covert linden

[mighty galleon]

nss

[vocal shard]

It isnt o:
All i do is:
Open Oculus App
Open Steam VR
Open Drive4vr
Press "Start" all setup already
Just go into game and go into your avatar

[tiny ginkgo]

For my Oculus setup I just put on the headset and grab the controllers.. done

[vocal shard]

Takes 3min

[inner cape]

Kinect is pretty easy to set up with Kinect2VR

[covert linden]

I rarely use my cintiq for the same tedious reasoning

[vocal shard]

Bullshit

It takes me les then 2 minutes to put my trackers on

Launch oculus. Launch steam. Turn on hip tracker. Open calibrator. Wave them around.

@inner cape yeah

[covert linden]

Things can be 2 minutes long and still tedius

[rigid crescent]

The time something takes doesn't reduce the tedium, exactly

[inner cape]

Only the mixed set is annoying to set up, the oculus + vive

[hollow surge]

🤔

[glossy wharf]

Time =/= Tedium

[rigid crescent]

Exactly.

[inner cape]

Don't know if oculus + nolo is annoying too

Or vive with nolo

[vocal shard]

Does pimax work with this thing?

Whats nolo

For the nolo you auto calibrate with driver4vr

[glossy wharf]

Dont say nolo too loud youre gonna wake up fpaul

[hollow surge]

it takes me about 6 minutes to get my desk ready and in order every day
i don't leave it a mess though because that makes the entire day unpleasant
if i had VR i wouldn't care if it takes 10 minutes to get working smoothly, it's superior to not using it 💤

[rigid crescent]

LOL

[inner cape]

Not fpaul

Jamie

[vocal shard]

Lol

[rigid crescent]

well....again, not about time lol

[mighty galleon]

jamieeeeeee

[covert linden]

If I had vr 90% of my time would be chasing loli

[inner cape]

Jamie is the nolo vr nerd

[rigid crescent]

no Jamie is the Odyssey nerd

[inner cape]

But doesn't have nolo

[vocal shard]

Meh... After seeing my friend use his and his review, I'll probably pick one up

[tiny ginkgo]

I don't want to clean stuff up and put it away every time... I put my sensors in my ceiling and it literally takes 10 seconds to get into my Oculus home and from there it's smooth sailing.. Especially after they moved VRC natively to Oculus ❤

[umbral reef]

You summon fpaul by talking about audio and light stuff

Or by breaking the rules

[inner cape]

@tiny ginkgo were talking about fbt solutions lmao

[vocal shard]

My Oculus software is being stupid since 2days e.e idk its a mess

[tiny ginkgo]

I was replying to @covert linden who talked about VR

[glossy wharf]

"Why do you prefer to play Desktop - I think its tedious to setup vr every time with mixed fullbody and for my playstyle desktop works better - Nah dude thats bullshit"

this chat sometimes dude.

[tiny ginkgo]

Just wanted to say that a normal VR setup doesn't require a lot of time 😃

[vocal shard]

Fbt is tedious... Normal vr you just launch without any setup

[umbral reef]

@glossy wharf your opinion is wrong

[hollow surge]

like
why do you even have VR then

[inner cape]

[hollow surge]

yeah your opinion is wrong

[glossy wharf]

@umbral reef GO back to feeding your foot fetish

[mighty galleon]

mama sai is caffeine 2.0?

[rigid crescent]

"sometimes" what you mean

[umbral reef]

I don't have a foot fetish you thot streamer

[vocal shard]

@umbral reef you like being stepped on?

[glossy wharf]

So im not allowed to own VR because i prefer playing desktop mode of a single vr game

yikes.

[covert linden]

Appearntly

Not allowed to think itz tedious either clearly Sai youve never done it

[glossy wharf]

Dude asked me for why i prefer it, you dont have to agree and quite frankly i dont give a damn shit if you agree or not.

[hollow surge]

your opinion is still wrong

[mighty galleon]

so shima

[umbral reef]

Your opinion is still wrong tho

[rigid crescent]

damn my morning crew is offline

[mighty galleon]

add me in vrc shima

[covert linden]

MIIIC

[vocal shard]

@mighty galleon i am not on yet o.O

[glossy wharf]

Caffeines attitude is spreading like a virus here today

[rigid crescent]

oh its early that's why

[tiny ginkgo]

I'm sorry if you think I disagree.. I asked you why you don't like it and I respect your opinion on it..

[rigid crescent]

👋

[glossy wharf]

Not you nassachi

[mighty galleon]

you can do it throught the website shima

[tiny ginkgo]

oh.. derp

[umbral reef]

You know what we need for vr
Heated controllers

[glossy wharf]

i mean the fullbody nazi crew

[rigid crescent]

why lol

[umbral reef]

I don't want cold hands while playing

[covert linden]

I AGREE

[mighty galleon]

im with sai, fullbody is tedious

[rigid crescent]

Fullbody Nazi vs Fullbody Thottie

[hollow surge]

fullbody every day
i'll get my trackers and never take them off

not like i leave my house anyways

[inner cape]

People always ask what the hell am I doing in desktop
I just don't feel like fully committing myself to vrc and want/need to do other stuff so I just hang out in desktop while multitasking

[covert linden]

I think body pillows shoulld be heated tbh

[wild mulch]

👏 70 👏 K 👏 Poly 👏 Gons 👏

[umbral reef]

Implant the trackers under your skin 😏

[vocal shard]

Basically you can play however you love it. Desktop,VR or Fullbody, who tf cares 😂

[covert linden]

@wild mulch your pfp is adorablw ALSO IM SO HYPE

[umbral reef]

@wild mulch instant super unoptimized tag and blocked for it

[mighty galleon]

shima whats your vrchat name?

[glossy wharf]

👏 Shitty 👏 Avatar 👏 Ranking 👏 System 👏

[vocal shard]

^

[inner cape]

Perfrmance

[hollow surge]

i just block everyone's avatar
and use a 0 poly avatar
and don't start the game

[vocal shard]

@mighty galleon same as here

[glossy wharf]

👏 Bounds 👏 equals 👏 badly 👏 optimized 👏 avatar 👏

[errant vault]

Rogur requires NavMeshAgents to find the leader

[covert linden]

Thats the dumb part especially for social public world users

[wild mulch]

Unoptimized avatars include polygons not visible from the outside, and multiple meshes. Mesh you meshes 👍

[mighty galleon]

ok shima, added you through the website

[rigid crescent]

https://twitter.com/FlipTripp/status/1074395252201381888?s=19

[vocal shard]

I feel like first they did split ppl by ranks now by optimizing

[glossy wharf]

Polygons have virtually no influence on performance, bounds have no influence on performance.

[covert linden]

@wild mulch one collider = unoptimized and bad

[vocal shard]

👀

Like my 200k poly sword i pull out of nowhere

[umbral reef]

But guys
The optimazation ranking system is perfect and numbers should never change
Don't @ me btw

[wild mulch]

Most of my avatars have 4 colliders and are optimized

[hollow surge]

VRC is a social experiment
Clearly

[queen mango]

1m poly saxophone

[rigid crescent]

did someone actually say that? lol

[glossy wharf]

@wild mulch Well according to the vrchat ranking system your avatar is poorly optimized

[vocal shard]

1 mil poly watch that uses an onload animator

I am still trying to get into optimize avatars. Slowly learning it 😂

[inner cape]

[vocal shard]

Even if everything is perfect, one collider put you at lowest

[errant vault]

Writing don't @ me is like asking to be dm'ed. Beware says Rogur

[wild mulch]

Lol

[vocal shard]

And bones?

[rigid crescent]

lol it's ok 70k will be the hardcap eventually, enjoy that blocked upload 👌

[umbral reef]

@errant vault it's a meme

[glossy wharf]

Imagine being ranked poor in avatar performance because you use a collider

[vocal shard]

[glossy wharf]

vrchat is such a shitshow i swear

[umbral reef]

It's cute

[vocal shard]

Onload animator 0 poly 😎

[hollow surge]

as someone who does low poly models for fun
i can't imagine producing anything with more than 70k

[rigid crescent]

imagine thinking the numbers won't change

[covert linden]

@wild mulch the ranking system will say if you even have one collider you have terrible optimization

[mighty galleon]

lets use the backup of vrchat where there is not a singl rank?

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent imagine knowing what it took to change one trust rank

[errant vault]

Rogur requires more NavMeshAgents

[glossy wharf]

@rigid crescent Its normal for beta things to not change in this game so obviously i think it wont change.

[covert linden]

Im really hoping they stick wirh 50k-70k imagine them being like sike no balls and going back to 20

[vocal shard]

Onload spawn animation? What poly count

[inner cape]

They changed the world requirements pretty quickly to something more reasonable, I think it's pretty fair to say these numbers will change too

[glossy wharf]

The only thing that changed in world requirements was one collider more

[vocal shard]

Hmm

What if it was leaked, and given insane values just to make us freak, and then when it comes out with reasonable values we'll be happy... 🤔

[covert linden]

Id be happy with 50

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard then they should say that and not ignore it

[rigid crescent]

It's more than likely the list is just to test if it "works" or not since it's still closed beta.

[vocal shard]

I mean where does ppl colliders on besides hands/or maybe one in the head?

[mighty galleon]

im happy with 20k personally

[hollow surge]

i'm happy with 500

[covert linden]

@vocal shard the skirt and legs

[inner cape]

Why in head

[vocal shard]

They should just remove poly limit and cap materials instead

@vocal shard some people cover their entire body

[errant vault]

What if they limit the amount of AI in a game map?

[vocal shard]

@inner cape that hair dont clip

[glossy wharf]

@vocal shard No they should not

[inner cape]

Long hair

[rigid crescent]

DOn't reply to him sai

you know what that causes. just let him say dumb things

[inner cape]

Kuro is an alive meme

[covert linden]

I forgot people have long hair I was like no just get good physics and it wont cljp

[glossy wharf]

No because the loud idiots are the ones spreading false info that others pick up

[covert linden]

Because ive got short hair.. forgot long hair exists

[vocal shard]

You only think it's dumb because you arent 200 iq like me

@covert linden 😂 still learning c:

[rigid crescent]

That's true I guess

I guess it's better to just disagree

[glossy wharf]

But we shall soon have most of the FAQ answered

to fight the idiots

[covert linden]

My problem is clipping skirts and I cant ever get colliders to work for that

[rigid crescent]

they won't ever work ash, colliders are bad for that

[glossy wharf]

because you fix most of that with weight painting

[rigid crescent]

learning skirt weight painting is better

[glossy wharf]

^

[vocal shard]

I dont have any models with a skirt 👀

[glossy wharf]

make one 6 head

[covert linden]

Aaaaah ok ill learn that when I get my mouse thenn

[rigid crescent]

i suck at it though, so don't ask me for help. I get frustrated every time i try, quit, and just embrace the clipping

[covert linden]

Okay xD

[hollow surge]

i want VR just so i can walk really carefully to prevent my legs from clipping skirts

[glossy wharf]

Mic just use the big brain

[covert linden]

I lower my physics so the clipping is almost none atm

[rigid crescent]

it shrank from being in discord too long

[glossy wharf]

relatable

[rigid crescent]

honestly I just can't seem to get it done right. i've watched a lot of weight painting guides and im just missing a step somewhere, I guess.

[glossy wharf]

Weight painting is mostly practicing

[umbral reef]

Pfff having a brain in 2018

[inner cape]

My skirt clips all the time, I don't even have dbone on it
Too much effort

[glossy wharf]

and posing and repainting

thats the beauty of it, you can pose and adjust weights to make it work

[rigid crescent]

yeah ive gotten better before giving up every time, so that's fun lol

[vocal shard]

Just wear pants or panties or shorts... Dont need a skirt

I need to learn to get better with blender in general 😔

[queen mango]

Me too..

[glossy wharf]

Blender is easy, it just takes a bit of practice

[errant vault]

I use the gradient method after autorig in blender

[mighty galleon]

shima get good and ima be paying you to fix my stuff

[covert linden]

I love blender but I hate unity

[glossy wharf]

Which reminds me i have to finish about 8 avatars before christmas yikes

[vocal shard]

I added new ears to my model yesterday and for some reason something went wrong

[covert linden]

I just need a mouse to do whay I want

[errant vault]

Rogur

[covert linden]

I have a hair and a model and ive got to learn to swap and such

[queen mango]

Swap hairs?

[errant vault]

Do that in blender

[inner cape]

Swapping stuff is ez, especially on the head

[covert linden]

Its got no hair but maaaybe heads? Probably just hair and a dress and etc

I know to do it in blender .-.

[queen mango]

Dunno, all I would do is delete the hierarchy and import a new one

[inner cape]

Um wot

[errant vault]

Y P in edit mode

[covert linden]

Yes I know..

[glossy wharf]

Literally anything in blender regarding vrchat avatars is pretty easy.

It just takes time

[rigid crescent]

hair swapping is E Z

[errant vault]

Rogur requires more NavMeshAgents now

[hollow surge]

oh god
i just put on poly vis for my most used avatar

[covert linden]

I might not be able to change the panties since its the texture and it makes me.sad

[hollow surge]

the gloves alone have almost as many polys as my average model

oh god

[glossy wharf]

oH No

[errant vault]

Photoshop

[glossy wharf]

good thing polys dont matter

[rigid crescent]

LOL the feet on my Sans model were 70k

[queen mango]

Limit dissolve

[rigid crescent]

the actual bones inside the foot

[hollow surge]

polys don't matter

hard think

[glossy wharf]

Polys dont matter unless you are talking in the millions

[hollow surge]

my laptop with 128MB of VRAM would like to argue with you

[rigid crescent]

You know how easy that is to do?

[glossy wharf]

the main reason vrchat rooms lag is meshes, materials and the shitty IK

[rigid crescent]

20 players at 200k.

[glossy wharf]

im talking ten of millions

[quiet river]

my face emote has 70 million

[rigid crescent]

4 million. on top of all the other network stuff

[glossy wharf]

ALso obviously dont make your avatar go fucking 200 K

[rigid crescent]

that's before anything else

the thing is meshes no longer split

[glossy wharf]

polys dont matter in a reasonable limit

[woven steppe]

one of these days I'm gonna actually end up finishing an Avatar I started work on at the start of November...

[glossy wharf]

20 avatars with 100-120k polys are fine

[rigid crescent]

so people care even less because their shape keys are fine, so who cares?

[glossy wharf]

and they are gonna be even more okay when vrchat finally moves the IK to a new thread if they manage to get it working with the beta of final ik they are using

they should start optimizing their own shit aswell cough nameplates cough

[errant vault]

Third person IK controlls

[rigid crescent]

"I'll fix my avatar when you fix your nameplate"

[glossy wharf]

Thats not what im saiyng

[rigid crescent]

no that's what im saying lol

[woven steppe]

Real talk tho... How do you even actually manage to have 20 people in a room and make sense of it?

[glossy wharf]

im just saying is they put a lot of restrictions on users, even on things that dont matter, but they should fix their own shit first

[rigid crescent]

Well they're not all crammed in one room

[glossy wharf]

Rooms consist of more than a 1x1x1m box

[woven steppe]

I mean in a public box... sure

[covert linden]

Im not gonnaa optimize my avatars if im legit just always in private rooms playing with friends. Ill have like one for public worlds fully optimized to be kind

[glossy wharf]

the box is giant

[errant vault]

Rogur wants 3rd person Camera with working IK

[rigid crescent]

Ach, if they map is just a room with am irror, odds are it's not meant for 20 people to be in, but that's not all maps

[glossy wharf]

Thats the minority of maps

[rigid crescent]

yeah

[errant vault]

Low effort worlds

[covert linden]

Put 20 people in the mcdonalds map

[rigid crescent]

yeah that map is actually really big

[errant vault]

where are they?

[woven steppe]

Those worlds are more meant for like a handful of friends to chat in

[covert linden]

Can someone check the mcdonaldsmap to see if its broken ;-;? Ill freeze if I do

[rigid crescent]

THat's the point.

[glossy wharf]

we used to have 30-40 people in a room at the same time back last year and we didnt behave like monkeys to make it work.

[rigid crescent]

So 20 people on a map and making sense of it? Very easy.

[glossy wharf]

also 20 people on a small map usually do stuff together so they dont scream over each other

[rigid crescent]

20 people in bedroom theater? yeah no

[woven steppe]

I'd like to see you keep track of all the conversations of all the different groups 20 people inevitably turn into.

[rigid crescent]

Uhhhhhhh

Do you not go to publics?....or play the game at all?

[woven steppe]

that's what I meant by "making sense of it"

[errant vault]

20 people total in vrchat

[quiet river]

speaking of polys how many polys should nipples have

[rigid crescent]

WHy am I keeping track of all the conversations? Why am I in 4+ different conversations?

[queen mango]

I believe that's the regulars.. Umm.. 30 polys?

[glossy wharf]

I mean when i have 20 people in a small map its one group of people that do stuff together,

[woven steppe]

I go in publics... pugs most of the time because it does a good job of separating all the groups of people that form

[errant vault]

13

[covert linden]

Havee you ever played never have I eber? That should answer it

@errant vault my base model has nips and its just a texture

[rigid crescent]

Yes....that's most maps lol rarely are 20 people in a little square talking to one another, so why is keeping up with all thier conversations even a thought you'd have?

[vocal shard]

😂 @rigid crescent

Public server master race

[quiet river]

@covert linden only a texture you gotta make it have polys

[woven steppe]

Because you said you could make sense of it...

And that was the context I was asking about.

[glossy wharf]

I mean 20 people sitting together in one circle works like a real life big conversation, you just dont scream over each other like retards

[covert linden]

^

[glossy wharf]

and boom, easy to make sense of it

[covert linden]

Ive been in a group of around 20, whenever my big group goes to the void club tbh

[errant vault]

20 people in a team shooting match in vrchat

[rigid crescent]

I actually didn't? I said it's not an issue that would even occur.

[glossy wharf]

weve done shit in big groups plenty of times and we are fine.

[umbral reef]

The new room selecting system also did not help at all

[stiff tree]

It's either split off into smaller groups or take turns talking

[umbral reef]

Empty rooms don't fill
Old ones don't rotate and lagg more and more

[glossy wharf]

I dont even know what this garbage is of only showing 4 instances

[errant vault]

With bots

[glossy wharf]

can we have old world listing back thanks

[covert linden]

Or go to the mcdonalds and yall can sit at the booths and est

[rigid crescent]

Why would you keep up with the conversation of 3 or 4 groups at all is what I'm saying, it's a non-issue lol.

[vocal shard]

People do scream over each other like retards, one only needs to go to a restaurant.

[glossy wharf]

Maybe you need better friends then that know how to behave in a group without being retarded

[covert linden]

^

[glossy wharf]

Cause im not running into that issue at all

[vocal shard]

Pfft, real life friends? You're silly.

[glossy wharf]

When people talk to each other people usually listen, even if they dont care, its a matter of respect.

[covert linden]

The only yelling over top that happens in my group is when one of us is being a silly voose

[glossy wharf]

Yeah or when its drinking night

[woven steppe]

you mean goose?

[glossy wharf]

but thats meant to be a giant shitfest

[covert linden]

And thats like if one of us is pretending to be a teacher and me and my cousin just dance in the middle of the classroom

Ye tis a typo

[woven steppe]

wait... there is actually someone called goose and is very silly...

[vocal shard]

Voose is the Russian word for Goose

[covert linden]

Yall must have bad friends if theres yelling constantly, usually its just me and my cousin laughing our asses off

[vocal shard]

My friends are the bestest ever. I'm talking about irl restaurants lol

[covert linden]

I only go to resturants in game but theres not enough

I wanna make my own resturant when I have time bc there are barely any maps

[errant vault]

All Rogur needs is more Rogurs

[covert linden]

Therez the grand lasagna and mcdonalds thats nearly it, others are poorly done or theyre cafes

[queen mango]

Leblanc Cafe

old times..

[glossy wharf]

Cafe leblanc rip

Gaia Night pepehands

[covert linden]

Thays poorly optimized either that or its just big because I lag hardcore there

[glossy wharf]

Cafe leblanc is horribly optimized

[errant vault]

Once Udon is ready from the microwave, the Levian Masters will release a battlegrounds map for team battles with us Rogurs

[glossy wharf]

But that wa part of the vrc experience

[covert linden]

ALSO ITS A CAFE xD not a resturant

[queen mango]

💦

[covert linden]

Ive been there tons its just not what I wannnt

The grand lasagna was my vrc experiance

[woven steppe]

My last memory of the grand lasagna was getting invited there by Kutowatch because some party was happening...

[queen mango]

I should probably go to shleep though.. It's past midnight for me..

[covert linden]

Its now updated

[dire coyote]

@queen mango sleep well 😌

[mighty galleon]

flach

whats your pic

[dire coyote]

Hahaha

It’s beautiful idk what you mean

[mighty galleon]

can i see

[dire coyote]

It’s erza from fairytail btw

[mighty galleon]

ohh ok

[errant vault]

Rogur is straying now

[woven steppe]

I'll be boring and make my under construction avatar as a pfp until I can be bothered to draw a new one.

[mighty galleon]

ach

[stoic halo]

when ur trying to meet people, but too anxious to actually speak or interact with anyone

[wheat spade]

@stoic halo just walk up to someone and say hi.

[stoic halo]

that shit hard

[tiny ginkgo]

It can be difficult yes.

Sometimes it's easier to just listen in a bit.

[wheat spade]

Difficult in what way ?

[tiny ginkgo]

Do you have VR?

[covert linden]

Whata a good name for a resturnst

[stoic halo]

yeah i use vr lol

[tiny ginkgo]

If you don't know why it is difficult it will be tough to understand. But if you're introverted it can feel very wrong, even on VRC.

Maybe you can try to just be around some conversations for a while and listen in, see if an opportunity presents itself

[wheat spade]

Sure vr makes it somewhat more personal

[tiny ginkgo]

Or use gestures a bit

[covert linden]

I am a massive introvert witb huse social anxiety and I dont find it wrong feelig

[tiny ginkgo]

No it's not wrong in that sense but it can feel overwhelming..

[stoic halo]

tfw my personal model has no hands to do gestures with lul

[tiny ginkgo]

I completely understand you leah. Try to just hang around a bit. I feel that helps. Then after a bit I feel like I "know" the people a little