vrchat-general-2

[glossy wharf]

No we are talking about mixed setup

[true sky]

@glossy wharf it's been unsupported for certain reasons

[rigid crescent]

Vive trackers on the Rift.

[safe yacht]

You can do that?

[rigid crescent]

Yup

[near saffron]

yeah

[safe yacht]

Neat

[near saffron]

alotta sensors tho

[glossy wharf]

@true sky its been unsupported because you literally have an api endpoint where you can see the 100 last uploaded avatars with future proofing

[rigid crescent]

Need 2 Vive Lighthouses and 3 Vive trackers

[glossy wharf]

and just grab them

[safe yacht]

But I dont htink my PC has enough UBS contacts for that :p

[umbral nova]

Gonna actually go to bed now

[near saffron]

get a hub then

[umbral reef]

Ow btw- If you ever want to scream in monochrome and have a monochrome facecam you can just use your Oculus camera's

[glossy wharf]

get a usb extension card.

[rigid crescent]

just get a usb hub

[umbral nova]

I said I would about an hour ago

I need sleep

[quartz basin]

You only need one lighthouse

[glossy wharf]

get two if you dont want it to be shit.

[quartz basin]

Tracking is really solid with only one.

[safe yacht]

And this is gonna cost me what?

[glossy wharf]

tracking sucks ass with one.

[umbral reef]

Not when you turn around...

[near saffron]

yeah helps if u wana actuallly walk around alot

[rigid crescent]

270 for Lighthouse, 300 for Trackers

[glossy wharf]

tracking is already scuffing sometimes with two sensors

[rigid crescent]

and IDK for the hub

[glossy wharf]

a usb hub is like 10 bucks

[rigid crescent]

But a vive+FBT will cost you 800 anyway, and then you'll have a vive so that's bad on its own lol

[quartz basin]

Just be aware that when the touch controller touch your vive trackers it will jump around.

Especially on the hip

[safe yacht]

Yeah that's still more than I can afford :p I had enough paying for the Oculus Rift for 400.

[glossy wharf]

that also happens if you put your hand on the tracker a certain way

[quartz basin]

You really have to cover them up for that to happen.

I just place the touch controller on my hip and whoosh I go.

[safe yacht]

Imma get a good hub though, I feel like I need it because I've had to use some UBS 2.0 ports.

[glossy wharf]

just get a pci usb card

if you have the slots for it

[quartz basin]

Get the ones from Inatek. They're the recommended ones from Oculus.

[safe yacht]

the PCI hub cards looked to be more expensive

[glossy wharf]

its also a lot better.

[safe yacht]

with less ports

[glossy wharf]

you can get some with 4-5 ports

[umbral reef]

So who wants to deliver food to my work 👏

[glossy wharf]

your favorite pizza place after you pay them

[umbral reef]

They wont as its too far away

Guess its just bland food time

[glossy wharf]

looks like a case of sucks to be you

[umbral reef]

Well- I still get free food with plenty of options here

[safe yacht]

Inatek card looks good

THanks for the tip

[glossy wharf]

i ordered an inateck yesterday

the 4 port one

[safe yacht]

I found a 7 port one!

[quartz basin]

Just be sure NOT to install the Inatek drivers.

Use the Windows drivers.

[ruby needle]

Oh really?

[mighty galleon]

<.<

its fpaul run

[ruby needle]

I have that's one but had hmd issues when it was connected there

[umbral reef]

Btw i wonder- What does the F in Fpaul stand for

[mighty galleon]

i wanna say it but i fear ima be kicked xD

[near saffron]

best not say it then

[quartz basin]

Fresh Paul

[umbral reef]

Friend paul

[mighty galleon]

its not that friendly

tate

[near saffron]

[cold talon]

Fresh Paul

[clear cloud]

@narrow burrow

[lean coyote]

I have heard rumours about tomorrow when unity gets updated all off dynamics bones on character will be broken

[safe marsh]

rumors 👽

[umbral reef]

I heard VRC will thanos claps people for jokes

[true sky]

bs rumors

dynamic bone still works

[mighty galleon]

heartlexx

[umbral reef]

But dude- Legit hop onto the beta and you know its not even a rumor but a blatant lie from a dumb person (the guy who started this)

[safe marsh]

wat

[mighty galleon]

come here

[safe marsh]

[olive mulch]

who dis

[true sky]

its a bs runor always started by someone dumb

[quartz basin]

I heard the new update replaces your legs with your arms.

[true sky]

whats the next rumor: you get banned for using cloth on avatars 😂

[mighty galleon]

next rumor is you get banned for sfw avatars, and they need to be nsfw to be allowed

[true sky]

when anyone starts a rumor, i always lose respect for the person who spreads it

[lean coyote]

Well I know some of you maybe think I said a dump thing but I just heard it from a friend

[quartz basin]

What? It's just a joke, bro.

[safe marsh]

Rumours are fun though

so we can trololol for a bit like rn

[mighty galleon]

heartlexx's gender is rumored to be female

[true sky]

@lean coyote then your friend hasnt been in open beta yet

[safe marsh]

Oof, that sounds like a dynamic bone rumour then 😂

[quartz basin]

I heard from a friend that you can get banned if you talk about the open beta in public.

[rigid crescent]

If you didn't hear it from the #announcements page it's not confirmed

[lunar zenith]

There are some really creepy people on this game

[rigid crescent]

no shit lol

[quartz basin]

More news at 11

[safe marsh]

avoid them like the plague

[true sky]

only thing i see broken is some animations on game objects

[rigid crescent]

that and you can flat out test if dynamic bones work on t he 2017 beta

[mighty galleon]

@lunar zenith im telling the truth, i aint creepy

[lunar zenith]

I was playing and some guy invited me to a private lobby, and told me to switch to an avatar on the pedestal for "Something fun" he was trying to get me to have sex with him on this game and I was like 'wtf?!?'
Who gets turned on by this lol?

[mighty galleon]

perverts and virgins do

its the closest they gonna get

[true sky]

[safe marsh]

@lunar zenith u mean in a serious manner? and a complete stranger...oof

[lunar zenith]

I guess both? We were somewhat friends and he thought my kindness was a flirty gesture...

[mighty galleon]

oh god

[quartz basin]

The ERP community in VRchat is pretty huge. You'd be surprised who's into this.

[mighty galleon]

one of those people ew

[queen mango]

I can think of some names...

[safe marsh]

I mean there are some particular friends i love to cuddle for hours tbh lol but that's it...nothing sexual related, screw that

[queen mango]

But they're not all into erp

[lunar zenith]

Well that's pretty ummmmm.... sad?

[mighty galleon]

elire

[rigid crescent]

not really? lol

[mighty galleon]

go check random

[rigid crescent]

It's just not what you're into.

[lunar zenith]

So it's a fetish to have sex with anime characters through vr or something? Because I don't see a point to it, unless you're making fun of it

[olive mulch]

full on ignored

[rigid crescent]

It's literally just phonesex Hatsun, it's been around....since phones.

[olive mulch]

@lunar zenith is it legal to kill em?

[safe marsh]

except in vr it feels more real for some i guess

[olive mulch]

makes sense

[rigid crescent]

Makes sense, a lot of things seem more real.

[opaque kernel]

🤔

[lunar zenith]

Either way, weird experience I just had, and creeped out apparently the community for this is "Huge"

[safe marsh]

yep

[olive mulch]

aye im gtg again and try not to kms caus of this

[queen mango]

Oof.. You haven't seen all of it.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, I mean if you're not into it then that's fair enough.

[safe marsh]

Cuddling is fun and whatnot , but i also get creeped out sometimes, ive seen ppl legit moaning in publics...and no..it was not an act.

[rigid crescent]

lol the wildest of wild people

[queen mango]

They must've been holding their nut for too long there.

[safe marsh]

xD

[woven steppe]

November was a reasonably long month

[rigid crescent]

For some people that's also their thing lol

[lunar zenith]

I doubt anyone did that xD

[safe marsh]

but i don't rly care, i don't judge others, just do ur thing and be happy i guess c:

[rigid crescent]

same

[woven steppe]

just find the lewd Japanese players...

[queen mango]

O my..

[lunar zenith]

I don't mind it either, what in a way getting tricked to try and do it, with the guy expecting me to be okay with it from pressure is pretty creepy imo

[queen mango]

That would be a rare find...

[rigid crescent]

yeah what you describe is 100% creepy and not OK

E Z Block tbh, that's just weird

[safe marsh]

Dude, just block the person and move one lol

[woven steppe]

I've met the lewd Japanese once... by joining off of Vflower

[queen mango]

Hmm.. is that a world in VRC?

[rigid crescent]

ah, the rare lewd JP users

[lunar zenith]

I did, I was just describing what happened and now shocked + creeped out that the community for this is huge lol
That's somewhat confusing and traumatic knowing it might happen again xD

[rigid crescent]

Most people don't try and trick you into stuff

[lunar zenith]

sorry, slow typer so late response

[rigid crescent]

that guy seems like a creeper lol

[woven steppe]

Just be prepared for weird things... this is the internet after all

it's bound to be somewhere

[safe marsh]

it's not even a vrc thing...is just internet in general

[lunar zenith]

yeah, I played second life before >_>

[woven steppe]

VRC's basically discord... but in 3D

[queen mango]

Not all of them are like him however.. I did meet an erp'er.. who seems to have VR time with another girl..

[rigid crescent]

oh then you know what you're getting into lol

[queen mango]

He's pretty nice, I can say..

[lunar zenith]

It's just with VR though I can't help but imagine how things are IRL? are they humping the air or something? xD

[queen mango]

Umm.. Yea..

[woven steppe]

That said cuddle groups are actually exceedingly common

[lunar zenith]

LMAO

[queen mango]

Usually in full body..

[covert anvil]

VR is wildin

[lunar zenith]

Okay I'm done we got to get off this topic or I'll laugh to death xD

[rigid crescent]

100% wildin

possibly 200%

[covert anvil]

Yall be humpin air for a nut

[woven steppe]

There is a sex dungeon map out there...

[safe marsh]

Cuddling is mainly Huging/patin/being cute with someone , that's everywhere and i can't see wrong in that.

[queen mango]

I've seen worse, Mic.
@woven steppe I've been there once, private instance..

[rigid crescent]

I mean it's just people sitting close to eachother lol not really much to it

Trust me, I've seen some stuff too lol

[lunar zenith]

The map I was invited to was a bedroom with a mirror in every angle of the bed lol

[covert anvil]

Yall haven't seen shit

[rigid crescent]

which is why I keep suggesting they get sponsorship from lovense lol

[woven steppe]

I participate in cuddle puddles so yeah know what that's like.

[lunar zenith]

I don't intend too.

[covert anvil]

Seen 2 full body guys do a reverse cowgirl in a public pug

[safe marsh]

@rigid crescent nice idea

[queen mango]

@covert anvil I did.. I was only 16

[umbral reef]

Cuddle puddele 😂

[covert anvil]

Shit was lit

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, all the time really.

[lunar zenith]

I mean, I guess for young people this is exciting? But I think it gets weirder if you're older and still doing this..

[woven steppe]

they could at least have done it in the basement... or the kitchen of the pug

[rigid crescent]

Most people doing it aren't young? It's only "weird" from a point of view that doesn't really get it.

[covert anvil]

I'm 19 and this shits weird

[rigid crescent]

But at its core, its just phonesex.

[safe marsh]

hatsun u got a bit of a closed mentality lol it's all about having fun. after all this is an escape from reality lol

[queen mango]

If only they can take it to the bed, Lexx...

[lunar zenith]

Uhhh...

[covert anvil]

Kiss me Thru the phone really aged didnt it?

[rigid crescent]

If you really wanna get deep into it, you can honestly just call masturbation or sex outside of procreation weird

[safe marsh]

Oofie, we getin deep, im gona focus on my work lmao

[rigid crescent]

lol gl

[umbral reef]

Just scan yourself and throw yourself in game for an extra layer of weird

[queen mango]

Is this supposed to be sfw? 🤔

[safe marsh]

x to Doubt

[rigid crescent]

Uncanny Valley no ty

[covert anvil]

I heard 2017 unity was dropping today

[woven steppe]

2D avatar ERP lol

[queen mango]

It would be better if we find those stuff in the Void club.. I heard the rules don't get followed there once they enter their rooms

[umbral reef]

Well- Mods are supposed to kill this convo bigtime

But uuu-- You need active mods for that

[rigid crescent]

You heard wrong, unless it gets announced, in which case you heard right.

[covert anvil]

Active mods in here?

[mighty galleon]

basic

[pseudo basalt]

[mighty galleon]

i demand more hearts basic

[covert anvil]

[rigid crescent]

But it's a rumor unless you hear it from a team member or read it in #announcements

[mighty galleon]

good

[umbral reef]

Active mods in here is as much of a joke as chairs on avatar
Matter of weeks not months 👏

Aka a nice joke and smooth talk and nothing else

[woven steppe]

chairs on avatar... a fun mistake

[queen mango]

Is Pan okay with this?

[umbral reef]

he aint here so-

[covert anvil]

Imagine requesting a mod ingame to sort out problems

[rigid crescent]

I mean it's obvious they changed their mind lol

not really a big enough deal it bring it up months later, it's the reason some devs don't like to tell people things

[woven steppe]

Well one thing memorable that happened to me in the chairs on avatar time was I got to sit on VRpill's lap...

[rigid crescent]

the constant harping on things like that

[queen mango]

Did he give you a one-month ban afterwards?

[lunar zenith]

?

[umbral reef]

There mind on chairs? If hey didnt have it ready in any forma t all they should not have claimed it would be returned soon after they got removed...

[woven steppe]

he squirted one month ban particles... yes

[covert anvil]

4 year when?

[queen mango]

What hole?

[rigid crescent]

It's really, really not that big of a deal. They said it would be back soon, it probably seemed like it would be. Things change.

[woven steppe]

It was during a party Shme was holding...

[umbral reef]

You know how aids there communication is

And its a big deal that they keep saying things but dont do them at all

[rigid crescent]

all it does is make people not want to say things, even in passing

But they've been doing things? Scroll through the "completed" canny

[umbral reef]

If they said "We are working on it, its fairly low on priority list right now but one day it will return"
It changes EVERYTHING

[quartz basin]

You have every right to complain when you pay for something but right now you're just complaining about a free game which doesn't get any kind of revenue.

[umbral reef]

We know it will return but not any time soon
Unlike now where we expected it to return fast

[woven steppe]

To be fair... I thought VRChat needn't any improvements a year ago...

I'm surprised they actually update

[umbral reef]

@quartz basin complaining? Fairly sure its feedback

[rigid crescent]

So because they said chairs would be back in X amount of time and things changed somewhere it's a big deal?

Like I said, it may have looked like they would return quickly.

[queen mango]

@woven steppe Perpetually updating beta.. Just like Warframe

[umbral reef]

As they refused to comment on it later or gave any explanation? Yes
Its extremely bad communication that can be fixed super fast without effort

[woven steppe]

I mean back then VRchat to me was just (and it still is) a social platform where I can interact with folks and make friends... it did that job as well as it could have back then already.

[umbral reef]

Its legit a "Yea, sorry. We had to put it low on priority list right after we said that. Woopsies"

And its all G IMO
Its more then we have gotten now...

[ember forum]

woopsies

[rigid crescent]

lol discord patch notes

[queen mango]

But then, Knuckles came.. and with the sudden surge in popularity comes a lot of kids..
Y'know how it ends..

[woven steppe]

yeah... now it's a social platform where you're not allowed customization until you spend a bit of time in it...

[umbral reef]

As right now the only way anyone can get information is by sucking up to the devs/admins ingame and hope they spill stuff
Get there attention on discord and thats fairly rare...
Email them and get a copy paste reply back

[queen mango]

Just like real life.. people make a utopia, other people bring it down.

[rigid crescent]

sucking up? wha

[ember forum]

getting their attention is ez

@ tupper

[umbral reef]

Loads of information on updates or changes (or how stuff works) has been gained from friends of staff...

[rigid crescent]

yeah just @ and admin and they'll tell you

[mighty galleon]

i dare you red

[ember forum]

almost missed the space

[rigid crescent]

Sucking up = being friends

no team member has real friends confirmerd

[umbral reef]

From what i have seen some peeps really suck up instead of be buddies 👀

[woven steppe]

stop seeing them... problem solved

[rigid crescent]

I mean I've literally heard people just walk up to Tupper and ask him shit lol

[ember forum]

1 sucky sucky and u friend

[rigid crescent]

I mean if it were R-banned

[woven steppe]

Never seen tupper ever in game

[ember forum]

I've seen tupper in discord, pinging works I tell ya

[woven steppe]

been around with Ron and pill multiple times tho

[rigid crescent]

I've seen him a few times since I think we have mutuals somewhere

but every time he shows up a bunch of orbiters end up following

[ember forum]

you're only allowed to ping admins once though

[rigid crescent]

so then the room is full and terrible and the people that aren't all star struck and shit just leave

[woven steppe]

what the hell's an orbiter?

[quartz basin]

People who surround others people

Orbiting

[ember forum]

orbiting indeed

[woven steppe]

but... isn't that sort of just normal?

[mighty galleon]

no

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, they follow them around because of who they are

Not just because they're friends, which may not even be the case

[queen mango]

@woven steppe Usually a normal occurence to famous people

[woven steppe]

Oh come on... surely everyone has some of them friends who always try to be around you.

[rigid crescent]

It's like how some streamers have orbiters, you see them fairly often. Typically trying to get the person's attention.

THat's not the same thing and you know it...

[woven steppe]

Oh you mean people who aren't your friends that's trying to BE your friends... but a bit too hard

[rigid crescent]

I have friends I'm around all the time, yes, and they're all my friends. I don't constantly follow them around because they're a dev, a streamer, a girl, etc.

[queen mango]

Somewhere around that

[woven steppe]

ok yeah I get what you mean now

[rigid crescent]

But lots of streamers have them and sometimes girls just unknowingly get them. Orbiter has a negative connotation obviously. Real friends that just wanna hang out aren't lumped in with them though.

[quartz basin]

I don't think you can call anyone on VRchat a "real" friend.

[rigid crescent]

wut

[woven steppe]

I could... some saved my life

[ember forum]

yes, once your real friend gets into vrchat he becomes a fake

[rigid crescent]

nevermind, I'm not expecting this to be an intelligent conversation based around facts 🎣

[queen mango]

Depends on the context..
Wait.. you had troubles before, Ach?

[vocal shard]

Is it the big update today? 👀

[rigid crescent]

No one knows

[queen mango]

Not yet?

[wicked kestrel]

i crashed, then vrchant wanted me to updated there policy

[woven steppe]

Let's just say I'd be dead for 9 months now if it wasn't for some people I met in VRC

[rigid crescent]

Wow, the policy thing? I haven't got that for a long time.

[woven steppe]

policy update

[rigid crescent]

there was one a long time ago.

[queen mango]

I get what you're saying... man, that's screwed up.

[ember forum]

I dont

[rigid crescent]

yeah, just logged in and i didnt get one so it must be a bug, Town.

[ember forum]

why would you be dead

[wicked kestrel]

i glad you found friend that making sure you good @woven steppe c:

[woven steppe]

when like every service did that I sort of gave up reading them after the first five.

[queen mango]

@ember forum Could be something in his mind troubling him.

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent What you said about tupper thats the thing- You need to seek them out in person or on discord to get actual information

If you email them you will 99/100 times get a copy pasted reply back... Or referred towards there documentation that is at times lacking

[rigid crescent]

LOL i just joined a pug and heard some australian dude like "come on here love and gimme a lapdance" and he's an Angry Bird and the dude is like "YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A FUCKING LAP M8"

[ember forum]

DO IT

[true sky]

future nuisance user confirmed 😮

[woven steppe]

should have asked for a beak dance then

[rigid crescent]

wut? it was a friendly fun exchange in a pug, why would it be a nuisance

[true sky]

jk 😛

[vocal shard]

👀

[ember forum]

nuisance is love nuisance is life

[wicked kestrel]

beak dance 2019

[rigid crescent]

Oh I saw my first one, it was crazy. I unmute then and immediately hear screaming and cursing

[woven steppe]

just join wholesome group... which turns into lewd group after 2 months

[queen mango]

O my...

[safe yacht]

I'm having trouble finding a world. I still have one of its avatars as my favorites so I know it's around, but the name tag on that avatar doesn't apply to finding hte world in search 😦 the name tag on it says Classified, Public Avatar. Sadly, the Recent Server list doesn't go back far enough for me to find it.

[queen mango]

@woven steppe How was it?

[rigid crescent]

just search "Classified"

should show up, they fixed their avatars a week or two ago

[vocal shard]

just search 4Head

[safe yacht]

It doesnt show up

[woven steppe]

reasonable group that involved a lot of licking

[rigid crescent]

Oh, then they may have taken it down.

[safe yacht]

That's the thing...

If it were taken down, the avatar wouldnt work

[wicked kestrel]

💦

[rigid crescent]

yes it would

[true sky]

my first time seeing a nuisance was someone using bed sheet inc avatar being racist

[rigid crescent]

Removing a world doesn't remove the avatar ID, only the world.

[woven steppe]

yep

[rigid crescent]

That's why I'm a fan of 3 maximum favorites avatars

[safe yacht]

It removes the avatar. I've had that happen before. For example, the world RustTV is gone and with it all the avatars.

[true sky]

and then blocked him 😂

[rigid crescent]

He removed the avatars and the world.

[safe yacht]

:'

😢 but why

[woven steppe]

you need to remove the avatar for it to disappear from the favorites of people

[safe yacht]

I adored his little Hoppou

[queen mango]

Copyright reasons.. That HoppouCat wasn't his to begin with either..

[safe yacht]

Doh

[woven steppe]

wat hoppoucat?

[safe yacht]

The one in Elire's avatar!

[queen mango]

But I love the HoppouCat.. The one with a little witch hat and big glasses

[safe yacht]

Yeah that one.

[rigid crescent]

The crappy unoptimized hoppou cat you see in subcom

[vocal shard]

D:

[woven steppe]

is that the one with big paws for hands?

[ember forum]

copyright reasons lul

[safe yacht]

The Hoppou cat on RustTV had this amazing hair effect and the most gorgeous eyes that shimmered.

[queen mango]

Yep..
Since they took it down, I had to go for the Flandre Scarlet avatar in Rokk's avatar world

[vocal shard]

copyright reasons in vrchat? 🤔

[rigid crescent]

PRobably not.

[safe yacht]

If artists that made the original models complain, some people are nice enough to remove things.

[woven steppe]

If copyright was properly enforced... think about the multitude of streamers who are making money by playing as characters of something...

[wicked kestrel]

liek the same thing with eldorito?

[rigid crescent]

I mean they make money playing copright games, I don't think that's the same

[safe yacht]

Any copyright enforcement would kill VRChat.

[vocal shard]

Article 13

[woven steppe]

Yamaha hasn't sued Vflower yet so... yeah

[safe yacht]

But that's also why I don't like people paying for making models work for people, when all they do is take someone elses work.

[true sky]

article 13 has been more of a meme than enforcement soo far imo

[rigid crescent]

They're just paying to upload it and put it together, not for the assets

[woven steppe]

ever heard about payment for labor?

[safe yacht]

I know you're doing work, but it's done on something that ain't yours. Charging for that is dick move.

[vocal shard]

I guess you haven't read up about Article 13 then

[woven steppe]

You pay them to put together the avatar for you if you don't have enough time on your own hands to do it yourself.

[rigid crescent]

You're paying for labor, not the parts of the model or the model itself, unless it's a true custom.

[ember forum]

what, payment for labor? Never heard of it

[wicked kestrel]

what's article 13 again

[safe yacht]

Fuck your labor. You're taking someone elses work, someone elses thing, then earning money on it and the original creator gets fuck all for it. Dick move.

[rigid crescent]

in which case you're paying for both

[true sky]

@vocal shard basically created to target memes and criticism. like fair use in america, except the exact opposite

[queen mango]

Umm.. let's not get too overboard here.

[woven steppe]

That's like telling the worker building a wall for you "Fuck your labor... you didn't make those bricks... I'm not paying for that"

[umbral reef]

@true sky Not true at all... It got mode for diffrent reasons then that but it does effect those

@woven steppe They bought the bricks though or you own the bricks

Fairly sure they wont steal the bricks from a brick yard

[ember forum]

you might be surprised

[true sky]

in the EU, you need my permission to talk crap about my work

[rigid crescent]

You can't really compare it to something tangible like a building.

[woven steppe]

free bricks

[safe yacht]

Sure you can.

[true sky]

its dumb

[rigid crescent]

If you did that things would get extremely silly.

[umbral reef]

Yea- And look how many free bricks are out thtere and who uses them... Almost none

[true sky]

no criticism = never getting better

[rigid crescent]

I could extrapolate that by using subcom avatars, people who do the thing oyu dislike, you're actively advertising their work

or by using any avatar made by an avatar maker that does commissions

But that's just silly.

[safe yacht]

I'm saying it's wrong to charge for using someone elses work to earn yourself money, without their permission. Without anything really.

[rigid crescent]

If you're using an avatar that says "HEY JOHNNY X MADE THIS" and he does commissions, you're advertising for him.

[vocal shard]

Imagine spending 60+ dollars to buy an avatar and It won't even work in 2017 version looool

[umbral reef]

@safe yacht Thats illegal even- So its not even the question if its wrong or right

[safe yacht]

Indeed it is.

[rigid crescent]

Most avatars will work in the 2017 version, all they need is a simple reupload, at most

[umbral reef]

Mic thats the problem 😂

[vocal shard]

Yeah but most of the ones who buy dont get the unity package lol

[true sky]

i do have avatars in my world where credit is due and permission was given to use/modify the avatar

[umbral reef]

Most of the scummy avatar creators ask for the login stuff and do it that way

[quartz basin]

I know someone who got his avatar custom made by Shonzo for fucking 300€.

[umbral reef]

So GL getting a reupload at all...

[rigid crescent]

LOL "custom made" by shonzo

[vocal shard]

300 lmao

[ember forum]

yay my rent

[rigid crescent]

dont give the crybaby money jeez

[safe yacht]

Shonzo is a fucking hack.

[rigid crescent]

100% fact

[safe yacht]

A gigantic POS.

[quartz basin]

I don't even know who that is. Might explaining why he's such a cunt?

[wicked kestrel]

who is shonzo?

[rigid crescent]

Just an avatar maker

[vocal shard]

Why would anyone spend 300 on a avatar 🤦

[woven steppe]

He wasn't a cunt to me... that's for sure

[ember forum]

why not

[rigid crescent]

To have something of their own, typically.

[true sky]

an avatar you cant reupload

[vocal shard]

300 though lmao

[woven steppe]

you can't say it's something of yours if someone else did it for you tho

[rigid crescent]

That's not always true, and some will reup.

[quartz basin]

What?

[rigid crescent]

What?

[ember forum]

What?

[quartz basin]

So you never own a car?

[rigid crescent]

Your computer isn't yours. You didn't make it.

[woven steppe]

I know a friend who spent 250 on an avatar... that didn't work

[covert anvil]

[rigid crescent]

You didn't create the parts. Your computer isn't truly yours

[true sky]

worst thing about sending password is if they get banned, they will try to take you with them

[umbral reef]

Unless you get the files from your avatar you are paying for a temporary license ~

[wicked kestrel]

whats a reasonable price?

[umbral reef]

You dont own the avatar in any way or form then

[true sky]

hasnt happened yet

[umbral reef]

@wicked kestrel Depends what you need

[vocal shard]

Imagine saying its yours when it has "made by Shonzo" in the avatar picture

[quartz basin]

A reasonable price for an avatar is 0$. Make one yourself.

[ember forum]

avatar licensing lul

[covert anvil]

I spent 200$ on a avatar just to see what the community can do, I was disappointed and will just make my own

[wicked kestrel]

friends?

[rigid crescent]

Imagine saying you own your car and it says "Toyota" on the side.

Nice try there

[wicked kestrel]

:^)

[quartz basin]

You just spend 200$ for shits and giggles?

[hollow surge]

DreamlickerToday at 11:54 AM I know you're doing work, but it's done on something that ain't yours. Charging for that is dick move.
yes and no
what you're arguing is actually somewhat of a greyzone in IP law and philosophy
sure, they made the thing, but they're not rigging it for VR, are they?
you're providing a service they're not, someone can't always hold a monopoly over a virtual asset

that said under some countries it may or may not be outside of fair use and the like, maybe

[covert anvil]

basically.

[rigid crescent]

baisc with the big boi cash

[covert anvil]

if it was good i'd use it mainly

[hollow surge]

@safe yacht

[quartz basin]

I paid 500 YEN for my avatar and it's really good.

[umbral reef]

@hollow surge Its not a greyzone
The laws on mmd's is fairly clear

[woven steppe]

I made my avatar and it's really bad

[rigid crescent]

Oh those Booth avatars? thanks for reminding me ive been meaning to buy one

[ember forum]

and that is approx 4 eur

[umbral reef]

Its not a formative work if your intention is to sell it...

[quartz basin]

There are no laws for MMD.

[covert anvil]

booth.pm avatars are rad

[rigid crescent]

Most of them aren't laws, they're "rules" for mmd

[covert anvil]

I get my assets from there sometimes.

[hollow surge]

@umbral reef in which country

[umbral reef]

EU and US

And Jap also evne more then westen countries

[true sky]

mmd avatars are the red flag as they dont want any modifications, uses on certain games, etc.

[quartz basin]

You don't break any laws by reselling their goods. You didn't break any copyright laws.

[vocal shard]

Comparing buying a car to buying a avatar? 🤔 okay then

[hollow surge]

tbh i didn't even know what MMD stood for until 20 seconds ago

[rigid crescent]

What's te difference Snooze?

[true sky]

MMD = MikuMikuDance

[civic plume]

can’t sleep so what is on here

[ember forum]

honestly irl there is such a thing as resellers

[hollow surge]

i did say UNTIL 20 seconds ago

[rigid crescent]

Wanna compare it to something digital? Imagine buying a video game, saying it's yours, and it says "Made by Nintendo" on it

[quartz basin]

Well, that's licensed.

[hollow surge]

Rebranding it is 100% illegal yes.

[vocal shard]

[civic plume]

i like nintendo

[quartz basin]

MMD models on Booth are not

[hollow surge]

But that's not what we were talking about.

[ember forum]

my gta is mine ree

[quartz basin]

That's why you don't buy digital games.

[rigid crescent]

He's saying "imagine buying a custom, saying its yours, but it says made by someone else on it" it's still yours assuming its an actual custom

[hollow surge]

We were talking about a service to a single individual to re-rig something.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid crescent]

Hell imagine buying literally anything and saying you own it but it has the creator's logo, name, etc on it. You don't own it any less.

[ember forum]

imagine buying an idea and saying its yours

[hollow surge]

whether that person should be using that thing on VRChat it or not is VRChat's problem(and, they shouldn't be allowing it, but have fun enforcing that), but I'm pretty sure that service is grey area. It would need to go to court.

[woven steppe]

You can certainly have something custom made FOR you... but it definitely shouldn't be advertised as BY you

[umbral reef]

It still is depending on the copyright stuff they applied
And as almost all mmd's follow the same rule its simple...

[rigid crescent]

the same rule

[mighty galleon]

@umbral reef i am new man from today on

[umbral reef]

Please no- Advert changed there stuff and now you also

[inner cape]

Wtf

Sean

[umbral reef]

@hollow surge Almost all copy right goes to court... Its a civil thing

[mighty galleon]

yes, that is me

[ember forum]

wh

[woven steppe]

speaking of which... I need to draw a new PFP

[ember forum]

oh hello sean

[mighty galleon]

hi red

[quartz basin]

Only if that very thing has been copyrighted.

[woven steppe]

this one's not accurate anymore

[hollow surge]

@umbral reef yes and no. most of it is settled out of court because the outcome is obvious beforehand

[mighty galleon]

whats wrong ghosto?

[hollow surge]

that is something that would need to be argued

[umbral reef]

Well yea- But its not like the cops will come
And out of court is technically court but friendly 👀

But in the past few years copyright has become a lot more refined with US atleast (and EU soon with new laws that sadly include Artc. 13)

[ember forum]

meh

[umbral reef]

If you do work on it while you know its illegal and you dont let them sign off stuff saying they are responsible
You can be punished for it

[quartz basin]

Copyright is the reason inventions went to the shitter.

[umbral reef]

Same that you have to technical pay taxes over money earned from avatars

and i cant wait untill the first person gets in trouble for doing it as a side job for living but doesnt declare it

[ember forum]

does anyone do it though

paying taxes for avatars lul

[twin jacinth]

If you don't you'll get in trouble, who wants that?

[vocal shard]

patent your work bois

[quartz basin]

It's a service. The same way THOTs have to pay taxes.

[ember forum]

its not like its an official job

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, if you're making real money on avatars you should be paying taxes for it

[umbral reef]

Lmao- you can better break all copy right law, drive illegally and kill someone then fuck with taxes...

[rigid crescent]

that doesn't matter?

[umbral reef]

The odds you get away by not paying your taxes is low

[rigid crescent]

It's income, you still pay taxes on it. the banks and IRS pay attention lol

[ember forum]

I mean, shouldnt you pay taxes on selling secondhand items too then

[woven steppe]

easy... just live in a country that doesn't care

[rigid crescent]

You should, yes.

[mighty galleon]

irs is mean

[umbral reef]

You should

Its income

[quartz basin]

Are you a double taxer?

[umbral reef]

They dont care unless it goes above X amount of Y amount of items

[vocal shard]

Im calling the IRS

[rigid crescent]

Typically the IRS doesn't go after people for doing a garage sale or something, but if you're making a decent amount of money off of avatars you need to be paying taxes on it, or you can get in actual trouble.

[ember forum]

and how do you do that hmm

[rigid crescent]

There's people making hundreds of dollars a month off commissions, some making even more.

[twin jacinth]

You can earn shit ton of avatars it's crazy

[rigid crescent]

You just add it to income. It's income.

[woven steppe]

decent money out of avatars... is the avatar market even large enough to have an actualy sustainable income from it?

[rigid crescent]

Yes.

[ember forum]

you basically say hello I'm earning money from unknown sources but I still wanna pay taxes

[umbral reef]

Yea

[woven steppe]

the hec

[rigid crescent]

there's people maknig thousands of dollars a month. They're bigger creators and much less common but it happens.

[twin jacinth]

You can earn 200-500$ pr Avatar depending lol

[rigid crescent]

Lots of custom assets, etc

[mighty galleon]

i payed at most 250$ for an avatar

[vocal shard]

I wish world commissioning was a thing lmao

[rigid crescent]

It is.

[mighty galleon]

it is

[twin jacinth]

I know someone that sells avatars for 200-300 but has gotten up to 500$ for it

[vocal shard]

whaaaat

[ember forum]

it is

[mighty galleon]

i paid 200$ for one

[umbral reef]

@ember forum Once you have to pay taxes and declare them this stuff will become clear else you can hire someone to do this shit for you

[woven steppe]

Happily I'm not gonna need an avatar made for me anytime soon... I'm decent enough at making my own props for that...

[vocal shard]

Damn I found my new job cya

[woven steppe]

I don't even use blender...

[vocal shard]

Wow

[rigid crescent]

You really can make good money from worlds, even if it's just bedrooms and hangout rooms, Snooze

[mighty galleon]

i need an avatar made but i cant find anyone xD

[olive mulch]

i only know how to edit sme stuff in unity?

[vocal shard]

@rigid crescent really? Wth

[rigid crescent]

If you're any good and interested in making money off it, definitely put yourself out there.

[quartz basin]

Just look on Booth .pm

They have some really good avatars there.

[woven steppe]

I build my props in Sketchup

[ember forum]

it sounds retarded tbh, declaring that you have income from unknown sources

[vocal shard]

I need to look into that stuff

[rigid crescent]

I mean you won't be able to quit your day job, but if you know what you're doing it's a nice bit of extra pocket change.

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Game game assets as a side gig- those pay nice

Loads of indie games need someone who can create simple fast models and objects

[wicked kestrel]

i want to get into making modles, i only know hard surface modeling in blender though

[vocal shard]

Ay

[quartz basin]

By not declaring all your income, you can be punished.

[rigid crescent]

a lot of people simply want a home world, usually just a bedroom and stuff.

[quartz basin]

Do you want to be a criminal?

[hollow surge]

You're not selling it, though. You're selling the service on an individual basis. If I started manufacturing a car, using stolen prints from it, I'd have an IP problem. This manufacturer has the right to manufacture this car.
But I can totally offer 3rd party modifications to that car, there's nothing the manufacturer can do about the 'image of the car being corrupted' or somethingsort.
👀

Heck you're not even ruining the image of their product, unless you count displaying it in VRC. You're changing a mathematical model under the model.
If you're modifying the exterior of the model, sure, you're doing something which isn't covered by fair use, and which is in probable violation of copyright law since it's not the customer doing it. Modifying a skeleton and a shader isn't going to get anyone in legal trouble though.

[twin jacinth]

Redfrag it's not, it's rules like not driving while drunk.

You will be punished for it if you dont and they find it out

[mighty galleon]

i want a homeroom butttt i aint coughing cash for it sadly

[rigid crescent]

It's not hard to find out for the IRS, especially with paypal and your bank account.

[woven steppe]

I mean I make some 3D props for friends for free anyway

[rigid crescent]

The only way to MAYBE get away with it is only accepting cash IRL for it and that'll never happen

and stuffing it in your mattress

[quartz basin]

And since you can get money from the IRS being a fucking snitch and telling them of the income other people get...

[rigid crescent]

You know sails, I've looked into that and I never see anyone actually saying they got paid for that.

[vocal shard]

Yikes

[umbral reef]

Has to be above an insane amount though @quartz basin

[quartz basin]

Pssst, don't ruin it.

[rigid crescent]

Maybe it means bigtime whistleblowers that rat out real companies, where the IRS have something to gain

[umbral reef]

Its not as easy as peeps claim it is

[woven steppe]

hmmm are pictures allowed in here?

[wicked kestrel]

homeroom? @mighty galleon

[umbral reef]

That was the idea mic

[rigid crescent]

host it somewhere on your own and they are

[mighty galleon]

what town?

[rigid crescent]

imgur, puush, etc

[wicked kestrel]

i want a homeroom butttt i aint coughing cash for it sadly

[ember forum]

hmm

[rigid crescent]

a home for VR

[mighty galleon]

yeah

[rigid crescent]

Trust me red, the IRS will know. You're using official channels like Paypal and your bank account to do business

[wicked kestrel]

you wnat to make your own home for vrchat??

[twin jacinth]

Making worlds isn't too hard if you get the assets from the store

[ember forum]

say you send money to a family member, would that still be taxed as income

[mighty galleon]

i aint good with modelin

[quartz basin]

No

[rigid crescent]

Not unless it's above a certain amount.

[olive mulch]

i am bored

[rigid crescent]

less than 15k I believe and it's not taxable

[ember forum]

so technically its the same but you dont have to declare

[hollow surge]

as i said though
VRC can totally get into trouble for its users using all these copyrighted models

[quartz basin]

Only a certain amount

[wicked kestrel]

i can make you a homeroom, if you know how to import it into unity

[ember forum]

sounds like a good manners kind of thing

[hollow surge]

that's 100%
if anyone ever actually cared

[wicked kestrel]

i cant into unity

[mighty galleon]

i know how to do unity stuff but thats all

[rigid crescent]

Gifts (which includes property or money) can't be taxed unless it's over 15,000

[wicked kestrel]

ahh, ya just like draw me what you want and i can make it

[quartz basin]

Well, government want that sweet sweet inheritance tax.

[olive mulch]

@hollow surge along as they’re not making money from vrchat it’s not illigal using models from other stuff

[hollow surge]

youtubers don't have a problem, their stuff is protected under the law

[umbral reef]

@hollow surge They dont though- All copyright is on the users right now
Can send a email and they will remove all stuff

[ember forum]

and how do streamers, youtubers and patreon do it for example lul

[wicked kestrel]

what is that, @woven steppe

[quartz basin]

Many youtubers do actually have a company.

[umbral reef]

Thats kinda why Article 13 is sucha big problem
Because Any company hosting Any copyrighted content is responsible of it then instead of the user

[hollow surge]

@umbral reef When did that much change?

[vocal shard]

Oof that diss @woven steppe

[rigid crescent]

They pay taxes on it Redfrag.

[umbral reef]

@hollow surge Always beena thing
Its hosting laws

[rigid crescent]

Or should be.

[ember forum]

fk, gotta find out the taxes on my 1$ donation

[rigid crescent]

Donations and money from Twitch/Youtube/Etc is taxed.

[olive mulch]

article 13 is probably gonna get revoked real quick after they activate it

[hollow surge]

You're wrong then.
The company is responsible for removing or requesting removal internally, on prompt.

[twin jacinth]

You pay taxes on youtube and patron yeah

[woven steppe]

http://prntscr.com/ltii71

[quartz basin]

Hahahaha, no

[woven steppe]

so I did as I was told

[quartz basin]

Article 13 is here to stay.

[umbral reef]

@olive mulch Pushback first needs to happen from companies
Throw EU in a bubble and block all big business and infra structure

[quartz basin]

You think EU can have a coherent thought?

[umbral reef]

Make them lose money and ezpz

[rigid crescent]

again Red, only certain amounts are taxable.

[olive mulch]

the EU is falling apart anyways

[vocal shard]

RIP EU

[quartz basin]

Thanks to the new migration pact, it's gonna be a fast death for the EU and that's a good thing.,

[twin jacinth]

Good thing Norway isn't a part of the EU
LuL

[umbral reef]

@hollow surge If they know there is copyrighted content yes
If they dont know they cant act upon it

[olive mulch]

didn’t italy have plans to leave?

[vocal shard]

Why you bringing in migration into This Smh

[hollow surge]

no bully EU though

[woven steppe]

unified Europe... good fantasy

[hollow surge]

i already lost tens of thousands from the EU being bullied

[ember forum]

Im not sure how its done in US but declaring every bit of unofficial income seems kinda annoying

[rigid crescent]

BUT if you're a dedicated streamer, youtuber, etc, you can write off things like cameras, computer parts, and other things as a business expense.

[hollow surge]

: ( (

[quartz basin]

Because lots of important EU states haven't signed for the migration pact.

[umbral reef]

@twin jacinth Still follows like 25% of the laws

[rigid crescent]

You don't have to declare every bit of income, we've said that quite a bit

[quartz basin]

Thus no unity

[rigid crescent]

You declare it if it exceeds a certain amount.

That's most likely every modern country.

[umbral reef]

@quartz basin Eu never had unity and thats the reason its around...
Since the day EU got made its been walking a thin line between breaking and exploding
And plenty of insanely well things have come from exactly that

[olive mulch]

lets all agree that oman should rule the eu

[hollow surge]

time to become an uber driver so i can write off my car

[twin jacinth]

Idk much about that aspect

[umbral reef]

If its your full time job and you fill stuff in right big odds you can get away with it or something stupid

[twin jacinth]

tbh Oclac, just know we're not a part of the EU but we're associated i think

[rigid crescent]

Uber actually tells you what you can deduct

[hollow surge]

hah
i don't have full time jobs

[olive mulch]

the eu is a big shit storm

[quartz basin]

Indeed

[olive mulch]

bad military shitty politics

[umbral reef]

@twin jacinth Its not a member but its within the EEA and EFTA

[olive mulch]

etc

[quartz basin]

EU, boosting about democracy while being the most undemocratic parliament.

[hollow surge]

The EU is much less of a disaster than anything that preceded it.
(^:

Glorious HRE

[umbral reef]

Military is 100% Brittan fault though lmao

[twin jacinth]

yeah

[quartz basin]

I'm fine with a bit of Reich.

[olive mulch]

anything better than communism

[dawn pecan]

We're not allowed to have political discussions, and economic models take a looot of text to talk about as they're so complex

[twin jacinth]

Well just wait until we get Yeeeted out

[ember forum]

just ping tupper, caffeine

[rigid crescent]

lol

[twin jacinth]

yeah, doit :>

[olive mulch]

YES

[vocal shard]

do it

[hollow surge]

tbh i have trouble getting emotional around increasingly petty IP laws when there's much more severe IP violations in much, much larger population centres
kinda like how we eek out more and more efficiency out of our little city car... which contribute significantly less than 1% of world pollution
MEANWHILE IN CHINA ON BOTH COUNTS

[olive mulch]

do it

[dawn pecan]

That could get you kicked, which I don't want btw

[olive mulch]

such a buzzkill smh

[dawn pecan]

But if I was looking to get banned, there's much more certain and entertaining ways

[twin jacinth]

I miss Sve

Poor guy

[hollow surge]

anyways

i sleep afk

[dawn pecan]

Like... Cirno hentai in random. That'd do it for sure. Anyways, I'm going home now, so laters

[olive mulch]

ok gl

[hollow surge]

and these politics are directly relevant to VRC (^:
therefore on topic (^:

[vocal shard]

Sve?

[twin jacinth]

BUt against the rules Asko

Yeee he got yeeted out

[vocal shard]

Wow... Rip

So floortals are cool huh

[twin jacinth]

Unfair reasons as well, certain chat mods smh.

[rigid crescent]

Nikei confirmed for Smash Ultimate

[vocal shard]

[olive mulch]

who got heeted?

yeetef

yeeted

christ

[twin jacinth]

Sve, it's a while ago

[vocal shard]

what is edit button anyway

[olive mulch]

never heard of him

[twin jacinth]

Svelsien

[hollow surge]

law=/=politics anyways
law and philosophy are at the heart of any actual discussion 💤
article 13 is politics because it's not yet a law and it's all sorts of drama
i never brought that up i'm clean (^^^^:

screen off now (^^::

[ember forum]

never brought up article 13 either

[twin jacinth]

You just did
:woops:
Yeeted out

[ember forum]

never said that I think its kinda useless

[vocal shard]

[ember forum]

never have I ever

[inner cape]

Article 13 is allowed to discuss

Despite the rule

[twin jacinth]

Damn that's nice

[cold talon]

Oi no discussing politics!
!ban @inner cape

[safe marsh]

What did i come to owo

[inner cape]

It was confirmed by a mod so

[cold talon]

Probably made a mistake

[ember forum]

probably a trap

[cold talon]

^

[inner cape]

Also, I think I saw you in a pug the other day, heartlexx

[safe marsh]

bear trap?

[olive mulch]

oh snap

[safe marsh]

Me? I veeeery rarely join the Pug

[twin jacinth]

the pug
ooof i hate that map i can't stand it anymore
got too used to Japan Shrine

[inner cape]

Weird

[olive mulch]

you weeb

[inner cape]

Maybe it wasn't you

[safe marsh]

i was in the pug yday for a bit thoough, maybe that was it

[vocal shard]

Japan shrine ooof no

[inner cape]

Do you use the small maid avatar sometimes?

[vocal shard]

jufo pls

[olive mulch]

i do like the japs their reaction when i drive in with my tank

[vocal shard]

haha

[twin jacinth]

I need help idk what's going on with me today

[olive mulch]

?

[cold talon]

The great pug
The big pig

[vocal shard]

I just check out new worlds whenever I get in-game

[twin jacinth]

Crazy, just crazy

[safe marsh]

lmao yes i do

[inner cape]

Must've been you then

[safe marsh]

oh wait

i think i was there the day before yday for a bit, in the mirror playing with someone with Larenz avatar?

[olive mulch]

i never see any of you, wich is a good thing

[twin jacinth]

Lool same

[vocal shard]

🙃

[cold talon]

Oof ouch xins

[safe marsh]

I usually just hang out in nier for public...then for the most part just Friends+ cuddly maps like the beach, the cabin, n stuff like that

[rigid crescent]

japan shrine you mean korea shrine

[inner cape]

It was on Sunday

[safe marsh]

must've been yeah, i joined a friend

[inner cape]

I saw you run off somewhere

[umbral reef]

The great pug 🤢
The great advertising 👌

[inner cape]

And that's it

[olive mulch]

epic

[cold talon]

is this bm recruiting?

[vocal shard]

The advertising in spawn? Why is everyone complaining about the advertising

[twin jacinth]

Yeah mic though recently there's been a few Japanese people hanging out there

[mighty galleon]

ghostoooooo

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Because it has stuff that others cant have within there world 👏

So unfair treathment- So we joke about it

[vocal shard]

oh

Well then

[olive mulch]

nice double standards

[rigid crescent]

Worlds are apparently not supposed to have advertisements, but hte Pug can lol

[umbral reef]

The great advertise*

[vocal shard]

Depends on what you are advertising

[mighty galleon]

why cant they have advertisement?

[umbral reef]

Because its the rules

[mighty galleon]

booooo

[rigid crescent]

No clue, it's just a rule. Previously it didn't matter though.

[inner cape]

It's against the rules to advertise unauthorized products and services

[umbral reef]

Commissions and ect cant be posted within avatar worlds or other maps as they have been denied for it
But owl boy can~

[cold talon]

But don't forget that owl boy made great pug

[rigid crescent]

lol

[umbral reef]

Wait does this count as bullying? 👀

The big clap soon?

[cold talon]

Yes

[rigid crescent]

dont worry I'll suck up to admin and ask ingame lol

[twin jacinth]

Lol wait so Owl can advertise but no one else?
nani tf

[mighty galleon]

oclac how many people wont recognize me now

[rigid crescent]

Just submit a moderation report guys

[umbral reef]

Almost everyone tbh

[rigid crescent]

I'm sure they'll handle it.

[vocal shard]

Yooo If he is allowed to use scripts.....

[twin jacinth]

Lmao that's straight up retarded from the admins to approve of that

[ember forum]

almost everyone, sean

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent Just write a 1.5 page professional feedback letter and get less of a reply then a shoddy "I dont like this happening!" email...

[ember forum]

a l m o s t

[median basalt]

Oh yeah, "please remove commission advertisement from world"

[mighty galleon]

i can cause mischeife....

[median basalt]

Meanwhile owlboy gets special boy privileges yet again

[inner cape]

[median basalt]

Unity asset store is still down so I still can't port my models to 2017.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah I actually sent one lol

[ember forum]

ping tupper and quit discord

[umbral reef]

Can we request owl boy to join and explain himself 👀

[rigid crescent]

lol

[olive mulch]

yes

[ember forum]

no

[vocal shard]

👀 hi 👀

[mighty galleon]

lettusping

[cold talon]

Oi Dont say [redacted] , that's the wake up word for adminz

[twin jacinth]

If he can and no one else can it's obv special privileges of some sort
yeet disappointed in the team once again

[vocal shard]

lmao

[rigid crescent]

just send an email to [e-mail]

[ember forum]

[wakeup neo you shit yourself]

[safe marsh]

Someone's doing the gud succ that's all

[vocal shard]

too lewd im out

[ember forum]

rip

[olive mulch]

lol

[cold talon]

[safe marsh]

too lewd?

You sweet summer child..

[vocal shard]

[mighty galleon]

heartlexx love meee

[twin jacinth]

2lewd4me

[safe marsh]

[vocal shard]

[olive mulch]

yea ok

[safe marsh]

I don't have a Heart, therefore i can't love u

[mighty galleon]

what if i give you mine

[quartz basin]

Ow, the edge

[olive mulch]

me neither

hearts are for pussies

[quartz basin]

Alright, I call dibs on your liver when you past away.

[olive mulch]

who needs to pump blood when you’re already dead inside?

[mighty galleon]

i give all my body to oclac in my will

[umbral reef]

I will refuse it

[quiet river]

That's a lot of body @mighty galleon

[mighty galleon]

you know it

all 800 pounds

[quiet river]

Damn Sean what you been eating

[mighty galleon]

little ceasar

heck, im still called sean

[ember forum]

little_sean

[mighty galleon]

hey, keep my porn name secret

[olive mulch]

oof

[quiet river]

Bbm finds Bbw on vrchat and Tupper records the video from the corner of the room.

[twin jacinth]

sudden death of the chat

F

[mighty galleon]

jufo

can i request you send me love

[olive mulch]

f

[twin jacinth]

@mighty galleon

[olive mulch]

sad

[mighty galleon]

yay

[vocal shard]

Ohh VRChat has a new cover pic on Twitch too

👀

[olive mulch]

guess i’ll die

[vocal shard]

Interesting

[errant merlin]

Is the hype for the new and updated VRChat real?

[twin jacinth]

Not really
but we have slow mode

[olive mulch]

what?

we getting a new update?

[errant merlin]

Yeah, the 2017 update

[olive mulch]

cool

[quiet river]

Welcome 2017 and welcome 2019

[mighty galleon]

welcome 2020 vision

[errant merlin]

Frankie's been dead since 2017

I wonder if he'll come back in 2019

[mighty galleon]

whos frankie

[errant merlin]

FrankieonPCin1080p

a YouTuber

[mighty galleon]

idk him

[errant merlin]

oof

[mighty galleon]

btw hi accurian

[errant merlin]

Hello

[mighty galleon]

been a while

[errant merlin]

Hmm?

Do I know you?

[mighty galleon]

we've chatted a few times

[errant merlin]

I rarely talk on this server shrugs

[mighty galleon]

ik xD

[errant merlin]

I don't even check it often, let alone talk

[mighty galleon]

ive seen you

i just changed my name and pic

[vocal shard]

Nice pic

[mighty galleon]

its bootyful

[vocal shard]

Yas

[polar bone]

Every time I come into this server there's always two people deep in a conversation that I can't really understand or join

[mighty galleon]

well

just say hi and be random like me

[polar bone]

hi

[vocal shard]

Sup

[mighty galleon]

oh hi doon

[polar bone]

So

What responsibilities are you goes dodging

[mighty galleon]

me?

[polar bone]

Right now I'm supposed to be reading a book

[mighty galleon]

i should be sleeping

[umbral reef]

Work

[mighty galleon]

oclac

[umbral reef]

hm?

[mighty galleon]

work harder

earn those vrbucks

[umbral reef]

nah

[mighty galleon]

kk

[olive mulch]

suck peepee

[mighty galleon]

no

[safe marsh]

[mighty galleon]

heartlexx why dont you love meeeee

[safe marsh]

I've answered allready, and you are sounding like Sean xD

[mighty galleon]

i am sean

[olive mulch]

he is sean you dumb

[safe marsh]

Oofie

[olive mulch]

no

[mighty galleon]

click my pic

[olive mulch]

no oofing here

[safe marsh]

How should i know xD

[mighty galleon]

wel

you did guess right by how i talk

[olive mulch]

you can smell his incompetence from miles away

[mighty galleon]

exactly

[safe marsh]

[olive mulch]

kinda like yours

[mighty galleon]

?

[safe marsh]

?

[vocal shard]

?

[polar bone]

[mighty galleon]

i demand more love

[safe marsh]

I dont even know you..

[polar bone]

What is going on here someone explain

[mighty galleon]

heartlexx im sean, you know me

[polar bone]

Are you guys joking or...?

[safe marsh]

Not you, dumdum

[mighty galleon]

oh

[olive mulch]

lol

[safe marsh]

The guy call me imcompetent..

[olive mulch]

y’all

[mighty galleon]

oh you mean xin the virgin

[olive mulch]

scuse me bucko but you’re the one harrasing people

[mighty galleon]

nah

[vocal shard]

yes

[mighty galleon]

NAH

[olive mulch]

china

[quartz basin]

Mexico

[mighty galleon]

california

[olive mulch]

cali bad

[quartz basin]

Cali bankrupt

[mighty galleon]

its my home state

[olive mulch]

commiefornia

[vocal shard]

NA plebs go to sleep

[safe marsh]

They r waking up doe

[queen mango]

The East Coast

[vocal shard]

Well keep sleeping

[mighty galleon]

elire get back into the closet

[queen mango]

Meanwhile, it is 9:25 PM over here

[olive mulch]

agreed

yea but you’re from coruption land elire

[queen mango]

You can't keep me in the closet while I'm in here, knave

[safe marsh]

Is the closet cozy? Can i join?

[olive mulch]

i ate the closet

[mighty galleon]

heartlexx the closet is cramped

[quartz basin]

What land isn't corruption land?

[olive mulch]

nigeria obv

[quartz basin]

Can't be corrupt when your people are starving. 🤔

[mighty galleon]

yes you can

have you seen north korea?

[olive mulch]

you mesn best korea?

[quartz basin]

You talking shit about best korea?

[safe marsh]

We r near politics, the sirens will blow soon

[mighty galleon]

yes

[vocal shard]

here comes politics again

[olive mulch]

joke = politics

intelligence 100

[quartz basin]

Well, yeah

Modern politicians are a joke

[olive mulch]

politics = joke?

[mighty galleon]

jokes = real life?

[queen mango]