#vrchat-general-2
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Wait who's NAS? (sorry if i sound as if i lived under a rock)
cancer group
Nothing is consistent nowadays.
Some group
prefab using idiots
nothing is ever
i wish we had full dive and could fight people in VR
if we disagree with mods we could just fuckin fight them
smack the shit out of each other
M
ds
I'll pass.
Now is it #general-media ? 
until they drop the 
" gone when
Hold up
omg
I gotta meme it up
EZ
gimme mod I'll do it in 5 secs
Might have to be here for a while to have a chance of becoming one

and also not being a shit head like me
Real inconspicuous, Ghost
all chance is gone for you if you do that
dw all I planned to do is post pepe pics

Kermit safe bet
hello guys join my clan
Network Attached Storage

nope

the fuck is that ghosto
I took the meme from the person who had pronouns in their name
But they gone off the list

me strong

im stronger

What do you want
Moar
there we go
what
ez
We forgot the goal
Okay im done
Rip
It's all on you guys if you all get kicked out.

kicked out for what ?
Hehehehe
there isnt any rules against it
"no fun"
kicked out for keeping discord alive
If other mods do it's still stupid
I mean there's actually no rule against it
what's the point of rules if you kick someone because you just feel like it ?
I bet they are gonna cover it up with "wrong channel usage"
Impersonation probs
people have been using ! and " for months now, and nothing was ever done for it
and now out of nowhere it's bad
I'm just saying. If nothing happens, then nothing happens. If you get kicked,
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The fact that you're annoyed doesn't mean you can kick people for it 
not really hard to modify the rules to include "use a proper name please, no special characters"
VRchat related question...The photos you take with the ingame camera where are they stored?
They're gonna introduce a rule which says not to abuse lack of rules
Thank you.
no speaking rule
images > vrchat

wait there are rules here
i'm sure it's annoying the 50k people in this discord
h
the fuck
10/10
just pictures
you can record a video too
if you use obs
and use the stream camera
then you can capture the output
hm
A more performant option is to use the SteamVR headset mirror and just scale it to width in OBS. That's how I do it ant you don't see much more than about a 1-2 FPS dip. With the camera it literally halves your framerate.
Gotcha
does anyone know if it's possible to reset your chosen home without being in vrchat?
i know im reaching here but its literally the only reason vrchat is crashing for me
Fairly sure you can do that stuff on the website
And else join a room from the website ad then change it
But you read #announcements and #server-status first? As servers are having problems
yeah i saw that they're still working on it but if this is the solution to my problems i can just do this lol
is the website ad a chat???
found it
@vocal shard go to the vrc website, login, go to worlds, and then click and instance and then join
Then once in game, change home world
ty
is it possible to share pictures i've taken with the ingame camera on Steam?
tried copying them over but the screenshot library doesnt recognise them
They should be within your picture folder
Ow well no then
@vocal shard make a normal screenshot
replace it with the one you want to upload
go to steams screenshot menu for that game
upload screenshot
Well welcome syntax
hi Syntax
hey Pink Pounder! What's up?
Anyone know if they've fixed the blackscreen yet?
i would check announcements
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Beat me to it
π
what do you guys think about the safety system?
I dont like it showing what rank you are in the nameplate
the only thing i dont like about it is that i cant use my emote with sound if i dont friend everyone
Yeah I donβt like the ranks I think theyβre bs
blocking stuff is fine
i can choose
showing rank and the naming of the rank is dumb
and worthless
Iβve been playing this game over 100 hours total and Iβm still considered a new user
yeah but most people stay at default and im new user
Some of us canβt upload our own avatars because of our shit computers
false
So we shouldnβt be ranked based on our ability to do that
it literally says that
it doesnt say anything
Yeah it does
no
it never said anywhere to upload to get higher ranks
it does
No it says it below each rank on the safety section
please show me then
im about to
Someone whoβs online do it for me lmao
on my way
So other than yesterdays black screen i cannot log in now
whats with this authentication failed issue?
i got a popup saying authentication failed
i just suddenly cant login anymore
yup same cant log in at all
me too
servers just died apparently
wew
Wow this game is broken
well
according to #user-support-old
servers really borked
need to wait 4 hours to get official statement from vrchat now
man i was having a good conversation, it kicked me off and now its saying authentication failed lol
Is everyone getting the authentication failed notification here?
Copy paste ya login information instead of typing it
If that fails log onto the website
oclac
And if that also fails change password
servers are scuffed
the servers it down
Well, last time the servers went down the mods were fine with @ mentioning them to warn them so im gonna do it. <@&378256373701410817> servers are down in case you are unaware.
Pretty sure they are, but just in case they are neck deep in something else its considerate to tell em.
They never stated they where back up and dont mention the admins unless its an emergency π
well servers being down is emergency
It is an emergency as far as i know
I'mma pin the others cause they can't do nothing about the situation
what do you call this then
servers down "Not an emergency"
That isn't an emergency since it's been ongoing and we posted in announcement about it
π€
rekt
π Lmao
lol
But nah- Im not purple or anything other special so lets ignore everything we say π

There's also still 6k users online, if you see 0, ping me
Man this chat is full of toxicity
lolololololol
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Game dies "Not an emergency"
Here's an idea... What if the server issues aren't VRChat's fault... And are maybe due to a problem with the server provider.... π€

"game dies"
6700 users online
"game dies"
Someone's arm gets cut off nah, it's not an emergency
Dude- You acted without thinking. We called you out on it and now we are the toxic part?
And the game isnt death, the servers are having problems. Big difference and big odds its not even something VRC has controll over like the amazon servers they use...
i mean suddenly a large group of people cant get online "not an emergency"
i think you guys said that 5 times already over the past 2 minutes
it must be an emergency
but nevermind what i say, just gonna be edgy after anyways.
@rotund wren nah its fine aslong as they are online it doesnt matter its only a problem when they are off
Who says you dudes didnt get crashed?
Itβs just a game, you can live without the game for a day, canβt you π
I'm here, whats the emergency?!
I question that daily delaney
nothing else to do for several hours apparently
The servers are UP. its not vrchat directly its cloudfire that have the issue where vrchat's host is located.. they are the ones responsible for this bullshit nobody else.
As so me guess was right with the hosting they use being scuffed
tbh its not an actual emergency, its just a game, just close and play something else. sure its an inconvenience but don't let it stop you from having a good day by dwelling on something you have no control over OwO
@umbral reef "Who says you dudes didnt get crashed" I mean pretty impressive crash spanning across all instances. MUST BE PHANOS. Dw though its not an emergency.
Svelsien calls people out for being on vrchat all the time but are in this discord chat 24/7 lol
Im here what is the emergancy?
Its not that special
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nigel trying to be a smart ass
cute
@coral shadow noes we must complain for no reason because that's more entertaining atm than doing something else
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svelsien 34,378 results
We've been put on slow mode xD
Guess he is a regular and knows what he is doing here 
@umbral reef *Programs bot to crash multiple instances!" "NOT AN EMERGENCY"
You honestly trying to call someone out for being active in the community?...
nigel isnt known to think a lot, don't worry about it jamie
hes calling people out for wanting to play a game lol
Svel has been here for a long time...
Yep, called it. slow mode.
@rotund wren Well no- You just make a moderation report and they will handle it
Its not bad enough for the full staff team to stop working, look at there discord and instantly go find the person without any information beside "ITS BROKN!!! HALPS"
also slow mode
fuck that, i'm out
Same π Have fun burning chat
It's only 15 seconds calm ya farm.
gib 2 minute slowmode
@ivory folio this is what i get for not knowing literally everything π€£
This is alot harder for those of us who are building worlds and cannot even test our work.. lord knows it takes time to compress the package and launch only to be presented with a dummy blank screen.. i do have a way round this but its not a discussion for this chat.
Actually... Isn't this a bingo π
Good laugh
Oh shit it's a bingo
Ayy welcome to the vrchat discord @small wing
yeppers
How did this become a sess pool of liquid garbage from just saying the servers are down so fast? It's quite impressive.
@vocal shard We can be on our second card by now if we kept it properly up
people got upset because someone told the admin servers are down lol
God forbid you have opinions here
Hey, at least Nigel understands the retardation here.
Honest to god i hope they just follow the rules for once π But as staff never does it things like this happen
thought you left oclac, interesting
Food wasnt 100% ready so i got an extra special 2 minutes to damage my brain
Yeet
@ivory folio You ever finish that bubble shader?
Not yet, I'm probably gonna give up on it. The Amplify one does the job pretty well
I was wondering if it was possible to Boole between the meshes like 1001's in amplify, might tackle it myself if it allows for it,
"Boole"?
Technical shit.
Cool thanks for explaining.
Uh oh
I dont feel like explaining because its too much to explain lmao. get outta here.
smh
I'm assuming he's referring to a boolean value. A boolean value is a variable in programming that can equate to true or false meaning that depending on whether the boolean variable is true or false, he could switch between different meshes. But I don't know anything about shaders so he might be talking about something else.
Quick google returned object volume displacement and various other methods.
Sorta yeah. Im more so referring to the way Cinema 4D does it though.
so if you wanna see what it looks like then google that.
its also the same visual that metaballs do
Is it smoothed?
Like this? :P https://www.shadertoy.com/view/lt3BW2
Yeah I did a bit of ray marching so I understand that.
Now the real question is if amplify is capable of doing it. π€
I hope so, because whatever black magic you're working on, looks pretty nice.
with refraction and chromatic abberation it would come close to this.. https://gyazo.com/f8253561aaf628533e09e35c708e3265
I saw a demo of that kind of merging blobs thing being done in Blender once. Always thought it'd be great fun to see in VRC.
Its very possible for it to be done in vrchat, my only issue is i use visual node stuff.
I'm also trying to figure out how to create a blurred chromatic aberration because the sharp one amplify gives off is too clean.
Yeah, even more fun when you have octane to preview it in real time.
Still havent got myself octane
I found exporting animations to Unity for VRChat from C4D is sometimes a hassle.
"real time" big oof my bad. i meant interactively.
octane is fun asf https://gyazo.com/2f2d4b16c3eb00f3aa3df8dcb73c9dc7
the effect with the metaballs is a 'smooth min' of several sphere distance fields
if you want to do that with meshes, look at the marching cubes algorithm but that's a lot trickier do to realtime in vrc
Interesting. π€
For something as low poly as the default unity sphere though, would it be an issue?
Why is slow mode on
@inner cape Why not? π
Something happened?
yes, it will have to generate a grid and sample the potential field in it to put a ton of tris in the right places
A bunch came in complaining about the servers
Oh, a server raid, noice
It seems everything i wanna do brings me right back to the same place then, ouch.
Did they get clapped?

@small wing if you want to do effects impossible with unity and meshes ... yes ...
@inner cape they didnt even kick anyone even though they pinged admins π
for it to work with meshes you have to do this each frame http://paulbourke.net/geometry/polygonise/polygonise3.gif
But hey- an announcement saying servers are scuffed from a few days ago means they are not scuffed anymore~

@vocal shard I assume that would be a limiter of some kind?
Anyone else having problems getting in worlds?
loading loading loading authentication failed
@small wing that's called 'marching cubes': a way of making polys out of an isosurface object (the blobs), but it needs a lot of math and a lot of plumbing so it's kind of impossible with meshes in vrc, raymarching is the best and fastest way
I guess i have to put this one off as well then. My biggest issue here is grasping the code, every single tutorial on shader coding from scratch says what to do, but never gets into the "why" and the "how".
Also you get to say that it's raymarched and everyone will think it's amazing!
Hmpst why is slow mode on?
Its kinda like they expect you to just copy along side them and never grasp any of the reasoning behind it. Which is my main issue with learning.
Scroll up a page
@still lark I cheated and raycast some thing before I march
omg 1001, how could you!
Why and how are always super important. Bugs me a lot when people skim over that when teaching anything.
shhhh π
programming shaders as anyone who has touched an imperative language at all is really a strong re-think
@small wing it's really worth sticking out and taking it slow, this really helped me, even though it's for GLSL https://thebookofshaders.com/
it's like you stop having the loop head, everything is suddenly between -1 and 1...
Was always my biggest issue way back in highschool maths. My teacher was atrocious for just giving slabs of equations to repeat, without explaining the meaning or function in the slightest.
And it's the same for any other subject for me.
It's just math bro
smoke math everyday
If I don't understand the reason I'm doing something, and how it works, then it never sticks and does little good.
also how about some "it's trivial", a nice slap in the face
@still lark but as such with any math there is always tools and methods of which it is calculated. Which in most tutorials they never explain what means what and sorta just tell you to follow along. it sucks man.
Yeah I know, I've dealt with it before.
@small wing read stuff in the link, it's very clear and accessible
The lazy in me wants to skip reading entire sentences and only go for keywords. π©
I already read that link before along side the unity shader basics conference that moochie sent a while back.
your history with amplify will help you immensely when you get the fundementals, you can skip a bunch of chapters because you already learned how to wire stuff in Amplify
then you're good to go
So what you mean is this read will help me a lot more in amplify when understanding the nodes? Or are you saying something else.
Why is slowmode still on π€
what you do in amplify is what you do in the shader code aswell, calcing a value and outputting it to a color register
Because it's easy to forget, also it doesn't really matter.
Ah, then i can see how it would be a good stepping stone. I will keep that in mind from now on, thanks.
@still lark yes it does
How does it matter?
If you were to write something longer it makes you pause for longer
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How are people still streaming vrchat?
just a question
Hard to find another game where people make your content really
Oof
is possible to track the face with kinnect? on vrchat?
Yikes Kinect
Face? As in?
Track the face... As in expressions? Or head position tracking?
expression
No
there's no tracking/IK for the face in vrc other than position/rotation of the head @void blade
Nopex
Can the kinect even do that normally?
Ah, slowmode
I think there's a program that does that, but it's quite basic
That isnt done with tracking though... That is pure having way to much time

xD
the hand tracking on that video would be terrible
yeah because they used only kinnect here i think
the Oculus SDK has a new feature that detects laughing and some other emotions in your voice, would be cool if they add it, vote plz https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/laughter-detection
Yeah, that video is just an MMD motion. Everything in it is animated by hand.
Yeah it's just motion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwgRWR9S5kg
The MMD community is kinda crazy. (And we of all people should be grateful for that.)
oh
I mean, the tech to track faces and have it show on a model absolutely exists though.
That's just not an example of it.
@vocal shard voted, that is sick.
Star Citizen now has face tracking that uses a regular every day web cam, so if that can do it the Kinect can.
But getting that into VRC is a different story.
Yeah, facerig has been around for a while and now even the iPhone emoji thingy does it realtime
@small wing yeah check the youtube, it's a very cool AI idea
Voted.. a laughing feature is interesting.. i dont do much laughing anymore though unless im very drunk.
Also Vrchat needs a drunk mode.
maybe it detects drunk too, not sure π
But for vrc, kinda weird since most have a headset over their face
just get a Breathalyzer attachment for your HMD
to think they are able to detect if someone is laughing is amazing. If they used an animation override slot for that it would be super helpful for people who like to look expressive without having to use hand gestures.
what I like about it aswell is you don't need extra hardware, just a mic
Adding animation slots 
If you forget your wearing the full body tracking suit.. anything can happen.. and anything is possible
what about also a smell transmiter?
Smell the alcohol
Due to how smell works i doubt that will ever be a thing in any of our lifetimes lol
i mean like you be on the beach and smell the beach
doesnt atmos theaters do that?
That would be so cool though
Or you could be in my funland and smell the vomit.. hmmm... yummy..
Oh hey finally
the smell of hotdogs and sick
Can write more properly
The Half Dome/Caspar prototypes had internal eye/face tracking, and also lower face tracking in their feature list. You obviously lose a decent bit of expression detail with the brow and cheeks obscured, but it can be done.
Pimax claimed they would add a smell module...
Seriously sucks that they've shelved Caspar in favour of Rift-S though.
True
Its not possible to do with smell..
give or take a few hundred years from now if humanity is still around, perhaps then.. but we are talking about moving from the first Tv up to a vr device..
We said the same thing about landing on the moon years ago but..... aaaand he clarifies.
we are nothing compared to what they saw of us in the past.. no flying cars either lol
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Isn't that what vaqso VR is all about. The whole thing is about emulating smells
And here i thought i would be able to go on a tangent about how bright the future looks
No flying cars, but countless other incredible technologies the past wasn't capable of remotely imagining.
Several people are typing, quick increase the slow mode!
There are VR experience cabins that include things like smell, wind and temperature but they are big and bulky
@umbral reef Or half as desirable. ^ ^;
If you could emulate smell taste and touch.. then there's zero point in living in this world anymore.. i will stay in vr.
Oh god, imagine having smell in the safety system.
LOL
@void blade oh god, you wanna get on vrc ... TONER LOW 
Gotta have the funds to support that tho omega
Well the real world still has some pros like food, water, low latency, high uptime
"low latency" Lmao
farts per second
And malachiel- You have to buy expensive as fuck cartridges prob for that
Or well, normal cartridges what is still annoying
i know ahaha
If there's some sort of scientific accurate data out there about how that would be achieved.. mark zuckerburg and friends are guaranteed to buy it just to control the rest of your daily life.
but i can't preorder π¦
And the whole website is scuffed...
I really wonder if they even have it working properly at all...
or maybe is a troll
I made a Christmas VRChat with classical christmas themed music β€ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqx7C7AkTlM
Latency .. is a matter of perspective.. someone who's on LSD will see in a different frame of mind and thus time will be but a name for them.. each person derives time based on their own individual perception. (without getting to deep) its just a concept that allows us to live our lives easier knowing that everything has an end.. but we will never truly know the beginning π
And the more i look into what you linked malachiel the more it feels like a kick starter money grab and nothing else
No official product has been shown yet- There trailer/promo vids show not even there own clips and so...
Well. i too have an xmas map and.. each and everyday im testing to make sure its fine.. never knowing when the beta sdk will be live.. and thats a worry due to the amount of effort i've put into this.. not only that but now they have server issues.. so im really at that point where its getting me down.
Itβs weird, how are people still managing to stream vrchat right now with it being down?
It's not down
just unstable
The servers aren't down. Just unstable
Nice @rocky comet π would show mine off too.. but it would ruin the suprise.. and i cant do that lol
And for some its still fully stable
Oh alright. Got it
No its just that the streamers have a dedicated backup server
If fine for some and not others.. then Cloudflare is to blame for blocking clients access.. as there are multiple reports on steam about access being blocked for them connecting to vrchat when the accounts are fine yet the server refuses connection and it randomly happens... that is the host.. not vrchat.
I find it kinda odd though if its cloudfare-
I know that the 28th and 29th they had DNS resolution and propagastion delays but today they should not have anything
Atleast not officially else i would have been notified by it
And the 28-29 problems where just delay no drops or anything
And beside the simple re-routing there isnt anything down or extremely slow π€
Well.. the errors are internal 500's mostly.. yet you can log into vrchat through browser perfectly fine and bring up your worlds and more.. but through Api .. instant problem
Considering the website uses the API
Thats why i find it strange...
Due to "Testing" i should simply fallback to loopback for my testing grounds.. i should not have to wait in an endless loop of loading or wait for authentication from server to connect to my own test build.
Because the API isn't unstable, it's photon.
Also the Builds we used to be able to do as standalone with vrcsdk has now been written in to disable this feature..
so its just made life harder honestly.
Made it easier for the devs though. :P
oh well.. does unity Api use a different port other than original port 80 through browser?
because that might explain it
VRC broken
VRChat's API is on 443
people being the content means there are tons of very powerful neural networks making up new things all the time
Was it like this before the update to the live servers the other day when they patched to allow clients to come and go from multiple versions of an instance? like for example someone using beta build and someone using live..
because i never had issues before.
By other day you mean like months?
I think you could always use older clients but you won't be able to see or hear players with a different version client
No i mean like two days ago i believe.
could be wrong.. time goes fast but it was not months ago.
*TupperYesterday at 1:49 AM
Doing a soft announce-- we've just released a patch for VRChat, 2018.4.2p1. Users on this patch can see 2018.4.2 users, so there should be no "I can't see my friends in the room" if they/you haven't updated yet. This patch has only one change:
- Modified disconnection error dialogs to auto-dismiss after a short period
We're still experiencing networking issues, and we'll let you know when that changes. We're working on it!*
tick tock tick tock.. lol
Neat
oh yeah that's new yeah, didn't even read that before
Still confused
Thing is.. we never had this before ... something was touched
thats all im gonna say π
show me on the doll where the bad man touched you
They haven't changed anything on how newer/older builds handle older/newer builds.
Scruffy do you run a live or a beta build?
Neither
right well how would you know the difference then
I run 660 which is outdated by 1 version.
Lol
Just wondering, did they fix the private world bug?
Not yet
I've been in vrchat servers since the very start introduced by DJ-Ogre right back in the day.. good times.. anyways.. cut the long story short.. the live and the beta are entirely different with how unity handles.. the beta is superior over the live right now.. and hopefuly they will get on updating live with it as soon as possible.. however the issue right now is.. i've seen this path before and last time it was down to denial of service attacks
so could preety much be the exact same again.
I hope these black screens are fixed soon.. itβs getting real annoying
Dunno why you keep saying "unity" handles when VRChat is the one handling everything.
Because vrchat runs on unity...
I remember 7 months ago when it took them over a month to resolve the issue where we couldn't test our own builds before hand we had to upload to test.. and that was when my funland was 450 megs too on my connection each test took up about a weeks worth or time overall.
Vrchat is just an SDK with an executable that allows you to conenct to a server
its foundation is unity This is not Neosvr where they are breaking away by using unity as a plugin base
Yo tengo
Honestly taking vrchat in the direction of its own engine that would be interesting
curious what the "estimated" time to go from known to trusted is, since in the past 2 weeks i have ~30 hours and a total of 773 hours total (most of the being 4+ months ago)
Gold the Ranking system is broken.
Mi server from discord is fans from the grinch movie
It was not truly fully tested before it was used.. basically.. as a trusted user i get a silly amount of unknown friend requests a day.. simply because the more trusted these users have.. the more chance of their rank going up
at least my first baby arrived
and i dare anyone to quote me on this .. lol
When the top rank was veteran, being in publics was fun.
still waiting for the converter
Veterans 
then there was the "bring back veteran" posts
Lol
Vegans
Vegan rank 
"conteNt cReAtORS DEseRve recogniTIon"
Lol
Content creators are the burning passion that drives the beating heart of this platform. without us it dies.
there's different typs of "content creators tho"... Ones who actually make content... And ones who just go around calling themselves content creators seeking recognition
^
I agree.. a nameplate and the content provided by name when content is uploaded should be more than enough though.. problem is.. some are just a mesh with a load of randomly generated shite.
where as most.. put in a serious amount of effort time and money all at once.
It's nice that worlds and their creators are now easy to see in game
Well i never get in vrchat.. i just create content go to dev meetups show off my shit..
then onto the next project
I thought content creator meant longplayers on youtube /s
Nothing i create is ever good enough though im always left hungry for more and thats always how it is.
@vocal shard Shouldn't put the /s there just to troll people. lol
yeah but when I do that joking around turns into a shouting match π
Well.. twitch and people who stream kinda put this platform more on the map than how it was before.. even still before we had it on steam the community was very small..
since then its grown massively.
it's a valid concern, content can come in many forms
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Yes..
I usually run away when i see a streamer though..
i will ruin their stream guranteed.
Same lol
its for their own.. bennefit.. get away before i say something you are held accountable for.
that's fair, they have their own stances and debates about public streaming etiquette too
many auth errors today
Iβm super happy with the recently added features added for world creators.
Yeah your right.. i just wish sometimes i could simply /hide myself yah know
that would be very useful for us who have them on our map..
hai
mind you i suppose you could say yes but its like spying and whatnot you could listen in and stuff.. but its mainly because im an introvert unless im drunk
in which case.. get away lol
The whole "content creators deserve recognition" canny thing, was valid in that it'd be nice to offer committed creators some kind of way to display that, but the part that wasn't valid was the expectation that it should be the golden shiny rank that would mark them as superior to all others.
Hey petey
Hence why it turned into such a mess.
Oh squishy i never ever wanted a rank i couldn't care less
i only care about having fun and making fun for others.. thats why i tend to stick to making fairground maps
it's also not really enforceable without shafting some types of content creation
i dont care for much enviroments.. hell i get enough of them all the time im in vr.. i just like creating fun things with music and watching people enjoy theirselves
I actually feel bad for people who join with low rank. especially if they get into vrchat like I wanted to get into vrchat to see how far i can push the bounderies and explore new things with the animation medium
Yeah, the quote marks thing Scruffy referenced above was just a rather heated canny post previously, wanting veteran rank back but for content creators.
Yup
Hmm well.. if it opened the possibility where i could /hide myself then i wouldn't mind so much
i can already kick from a map.. thats more than enough user control unless i can put up flags like anti knuckles as an example.
My biggest point of contention is how the rank prevents you from making content until you rank up. The more I see people hitting that wall the more I object to it. I believe that should be time orientated.
Well you can put up "Keep knuckles off the grass" signs in a world, but I wouldn't expect them to work. ^ ^
Yeah aka.. like i said its broken.. i think time and contribution is also a biggy
Have checked in tech support thread and database, no luck on google either.. my Rift audio is set to go to Rift only, but I hear sound coming from speakers instead in vrchat. Odd thing is when I press the oculus menu button, the audio switches to Rift headphones.. anyone heard of that?
not just helping in here or whatnot but the level of activity we get on a map due to the well.. sheer amount of time it takes to create
sorry if this is the wrong place
The rank thing doesn't prevent you creating anything. It just prevents you being able to show it around in public quite as easily.
from what I've seen, visitor to new user doesn't tend to take that long at least
As a veteran I find no issues with showing my amazing content to others
It took me 6 hours, itβs not a big deal
Unless you meant getting upload rights itself, in which case that's so trivial it really shouldn't be a concern.
@cedar topaz start up vrchat with the audio device set to rift headphone audio, the oculus dash will always be in the rift headphones but vrchat starts with whatever is selected as default audio device
10 hours for me, but the second session was 8 hours long before logging off, so it might have been sooner.
@vocal shard Is that a startup option? theres nothing for default output device in vrchat itself, and my settings have always been "output to rift only"
@weary bison Yes.. Well the simplistic view is the most obvious and i cannot.. say where i get my source from.. but i will tell you what im citing is truth.. if you are a normal user played for a day if that.. if you added a few trusted to your friends list.. your rank progression sores.
Just make friends and talk. I donβt see why people complain about it
or do you mean windows default device?
ok, cheers that makes sense, thanks!
np! have fun
that sounds more like trial and error than insider info, which is a fair observation
Actually.. its in the code..
I haven't tried that myself though
i cant say no more than that π
You don't get to see the code, it's server side.
Getting Authentication errors constantly when going to new worlds, right now. Anyone else?
heh.. okay well i will let you go with that.. as i cant list how or why or even who ..
but its the solid truth.
π
π€ π€¦
@safe yacht servers are unstable right now
Yeah, everyone is getting that @safe yacht
It's just the server hosts that VRC uses having issue. Isn't only VRC.
Ah alrighty
we'll see as things progress 
Plot twist: Everyone who uses vrchat has been sending mining data to the server since the start of its creation, thats where the money comes from.
.. just a story π lol
@ruby burrow wait a second, it was you i met in the great pug? the one with the hypnotic mono-eye? π€
But that's just a theory
gotta mine those tuppercoins
You send a load of analytics data to VRC
There was actually a very famous case of a steam release on the store people downloading a simple physics ball vs wall game it was addictive and little did people know.. it was using all host units to send back to the person who made it
preety hilarious tbh.. steam banned them straight away when they realised..
It's effectively a botnet made with the guise of a fun game π
@ruby burrow you captured my soul in your eye π»
Any particular reason slowmode is on?
Yes because im in the room and ruuubick is awake
Also its massively to do with the same thing asked over and over like why are servers on the blink blah blah my maps id pipeline has been lost.. blah blah... list goes on
Whoa #vrchat-general-2 has slowmode now?
It's been up for an our and a half..
Idk
server issues make for a flood of repeated questions
The servers got back up after 45 minutes of slow mode
So... I still wonder why it is up
Yo btw when we doing the bingo
it'll probably be off soon
I already bingo'd a bunch 
assuming there's no more problems
Holy
One message every 5 seconds is actually Discrimination though.. its hard for me not to type one message every 5 seconds.. or hell even 2 seconds.
just start editing your previous message and adding on to it
ezpz
yea it does
:0
Nice.. discord bypass.. in your face ruuuby π
its only useful when its longer than 5 secs though π€·
I've never actually been denied by slowmode here thus far.
usually i type out stories.. i cant help it... its like my mind is constantly on alert and i have so much to talk about.. same as when im in vrchat too.. if i can GET in vrchat.. that is π
Slow mode
Yes..
I feel
Slow mode is an insult to Fast people.. pure discrimination.
S...l....o....w..
Slow
No thanks i dont fancy being lectured
next slide plz
you go on ahead
just talk about random stuff in this channel
you will summon ruuubick this way and get his attention
Hmmm
don't do that
If I @ Tupper will he notice me and do the big UwU
yes he might fall for you and you can live happily ever after too
@weary bison what's up b
you never know.
Omega has a point.
not much, just various vrchat-related things
@weary bison wanna erp later



Only Pm Tupper when there is an emergency like.. i ran outta bog roll and im sitting here and need help.. can you go out and get me some mate or im really in the shit.
I have a feeling that Noe doesn't wanna erp
slowmode actually isn't on in #general-media btw
I like slow mode
slowmode is still enabled?

Slow mode is descrimination end of
Yo btw when pepe-allowed channel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421855749166202880/517807913960472576/pq2_ren.png Oh yeah made this yesterday
Why @vocal shard
π€
you have to find out where something like that comes from to understand it..
pepe's usage has changed somewhat over time, hopefully it eventually won't really mean anything
for now it's a nope
Back then I only knew brazilian memes PepeHands
I just see pepe face as just a reaction face though I have heard that it's a lot worse in other places
4Chan abuse of certain elements that were deemed normal as in for kids.. but completely and utterly ruined of what they actually mean and so it was forever changed.
I needs headpat 
Nuu
Nu 
Why you pat teh slime
You'll absorb my hand if I do
Nu
Do you really π*?*
Yes
Emoji's can also be used to say things you wouldn't normally say in text due to being very offensive.

Give headpat to me π
take it to #general-media
I amπ
Heh.. you know of what i have .. and yet you still asked π
not the place for that
@weary bison he is refering to something i was born with, tbh i dont find it offensive .. i love discussing it but apparently what i have triggers people in here.. which .. as you can imagine makes me feel kinda odd to say the least.
Even still i dont bring it up anymore.
talk about it somewhere else
Nah i dont bother.. he brought it over here not me.
π
Mimi
dont your love it when you world get reviwed for public use say it public but u logon vrchat & it's not public gotta love it hehe
- Once a world has been marked Public in the form, it will be made Public in VRChat within 6-12 hours.
@naive pike
Noe, why are you censoring now π€
we have a channel for non-VRChat topics
Well.. none of my worlds ever get turned down because ive learnt overtime what they want and what they dont want.. but besides that the server is having some serious issues today..
so i wouldn't worry much just optimise your map till servers ready for it.
i got hit by a avatar crasher/hacker that syskeyed my pc thour vrchat scarded the crap out me. thank god i know how to over ride that crap.
i donΒ΄t understand ... sometimes if i log in or if i try to change the world "Authentication failed" ..... is that my fault?
syskey by avatar crasher.. no such thing
@naive pike erm. Mind providing some prove π
^
Yeah, @naive pike that didn't happen
please do so
i don't like when someone is starting to spread dumb rumors
cant lost all proof restoring my pc
uhu
Ofc. How unfortunate
then until you get proof
don't spread misinformation and bullshit
thank you very much
... honestly..
don't be another cpu fryer idiocy all over again 
Even if it did happen, it wasn't from vrchat
i've heard some tales in my time but that one takes the cake lol
More than likely.. allow me to elaborate.. you downloaded a third party client that actually had a nice lil present waiting inside and so you killed your own end π
thats just a theory though.
i dont use client's i know what they r but dont use then unless forced'
Yep, people use modified clients and then get upset at vrc when something bad happens to them
"unless forced" 
Yep all the time unfortunately..
So you just admitted to using a modified clients
like vrchat forced
πΏ
steam clicent update forced
i been hearing ppl using the modfide client being use to farm crito money
but that's what i been hearing latly
What!?!
ooooooooh. Thats harmless 
Tbh i use the crypto thing all the time
.. i will not state what i know of but i will just say that you've heard something that massively falsified information.. and if that is whats making people download that stuff .. then my god.. the stupidity factor is off the charts.
I hear they're farming headpats into robux π€
They mean that the modified client is setup to mine crypto on everyone's pc that uses the client and gives it to the person who made the client. I would be surprised if most modified clients didn't have that
That's just called streamers 1001
That is no different than a botnet like i said in the other channel earlier
it's a troll at this point
you can't make this shit up
hit that sub button if you like knuckles
data mining using other party's.. it was originally done on a steam game for free people downloaded.
it mined data without them knowing.until steam took it down.
that game also put up fake TF2 items, it was sketchy from all angles
Oh my. What's going on here?
makes me wonder if crypto integration as an actual feature would be allowed on steam
Well mining was possible on vrc before, but the devs patched it before anyone could really use it 
Avatar thieves are gone from this game btw
tell that to TDA
It's not that it's patched, they just got bored.
Noe are we talking about the same game? because from what i remember it was a game based on physics a ball around a maze of sorts but the maze had sorta like friction so you could jump walls.. it never ended as it was procedural.. yet for some reason people chose to play it and yep.. must say though the person who thought of that originally is one smart guy..
cache rippig is fixed forever
no more fortnite meme dances
nobody would of knew unless someone took a lil look into it.
oh, different game then
Ohyea the cache method will always there.
Make a game free to play fully with constant updates and no ads and the only monitization is crypto mining while the game is on. I would be ok with it as long as I knew it was happening
I was referring to abstractism
no thir back i saw them steel my avatar thankfully it was a trojen horse avatar
My dances nooo 
Night, at this point, we know you're a troll.
thir stuck in it till they figur out how to delete it off thir vrc acc
I Agree mimi.. but its no different than "Progress through computers" which i used for a few years on multiple machines for medical science
There's no way you can inject a trojan into an avatar.
@naive pike if you obtain evidence of any of this stuff happening, send it to moderation@vrchat.com
Trojan avatar 
I was thinking of a method myself, but I found it impossible soon after. I didn't plan on ever doing it, I was just theorizing.
if they steel it you stuiped LoneEevee (Thanos send)
Trojan is a make of condom i believe.. so you can make a trojan avatar π
getting better and better
i made that avatar deleted the bone he cant move he cant get into his menu
Sure he can
Literally the minium requirement, when you call someone stupid, is you should spell stupid right
Do you guys think it would be interesting if VRChat saved your location and instance when you logged out? So you logged back into the same world instance (if it still existed) and position as when you logged out?
@tawdry apex Either set a home world or have a steam launch code to spawn you in it.
i had anof of this toxic chat later got real life crap to do then here ppl being toxic
L O L
Oh I'm not requesting it, just trying to get an opinion on such persistence.
@tawdry apex yeah but it also has the potential to get people stuck more than respawning them
Did I just accidentally mark everything in this server read by a key shortcut?
you would also need the world to be in the same state for example
Yes.. true but there's a way round it with respawn.. the respawn could just go straight back to original vrc world placement
so you can start/stop same loc.. but if trouble just a respawn from UI
It would be VERY useful for games that rely on this mechanic
I mean this could be used for crashes tho
its like save state functionality
@vocal shard True, worlds that aren't entirely static would present a problem. Maybe the floor you were standing on wouldn't even exist anymore. Maybe on a per-world basis respawn by default could be enabled. Just an idea I was thinking about earlier.
persistent progress is something I really want for game worlds
"I had anof of of this toxic chat"
NIGHT F4 is typing...
@sterile drift stoop booli
o o f
can we kick that kid ? spreading bullshit and insulting everyone
Well.. its possible but it would require each private session to save that data once a user logs off..

thanks.
Yeah, me too. About getting stuck, people can just respawn so it's not an issue
we can also just move on
it would just dump to users cache and when they arrived at previous loc it could just reload..
yeah sure, let him come back with more "proof" about viruses being spread via avatars and let him insult more people
note the project name is trojan horse. not malware btw to make sure your not confused. night or good day to you all
no warning, nothing
just let him insult us


I tend to ignore people who go on like that.. i've more technical to talk about that mundane pointless things like he was talking about.
@vocal shard True, but presumably player world instance is already persisted. At least, it's maintained in memory so that people can see where you are and join on you. It wouldn't be a large jump to persist where a player last was. But I was more interested in the player perspective of the feature, rather than the technical issues or the world design implications/problems.
Streaming Discord?
@tawdry apex maybe even an option to add bookmarks for locations on a map
In his defense, it could literally just be an ACTUAL trojan horse
Anyway there is no way to make an avatar detect if it's on another client, if you want to crash someone, it will crash yourself too, ez
from a vrchat avatar ?
As in, not the virus kind, but the wooden horse.

yes i know and i called the project trojan horse just " a project name.
can you stop insulting us ?
also according to the rules, you should get kicked, you need to be above 13 to be here
@naive pike ok #general-media plz
@tawdry apex well.. thing is each perspective will be near enough the same based on a save state function.. we would all want it.. i mean nothing bad to be said.. but the technical always comes into it because to be frank this is how we create our content to start with.. if someone says oh no you cant do that because of so and so.. you think of another way around it π its just a thing you get deeply into thinking about.. but as just for perspective its something im sure everyone would love.. especially for Role play sessions .. kinda like DarkRP on gmod.
im not insaulting any one
"edited"
(edited)
pathetic
This kid is trolling the crap outta you guys lol
Eh yea
I more just like to see how far this stuff goes
And it looks like this is as far as it went
Well.. ah i wish i could have a more technical talk
drop the topic please
man vrchat grabs your mouse pointer like some late 90s game
sometimes it's hard to even get it out of there lol
Let's move to Random Chat
tab out once and you get your mouse back @gleaming patio
and then it randomly gets caught sometimes
the mouse thing bothers me too sometimes
something worth noting, the window doesn't capture your mouse when you have the menu open
vrchat down means.. not fun heh
I never had it snap back, but yeah, sometimes it's fiddly, especially when you're in VR and virtual desktop
it's actually not an issue if you know what to do.
i think it's still an issue for people who don't know what to do
Oh virtual desktop is fantastic π i used that in beta mode on Dk2
Wicked piece of software
virtual desktop really seems to be hated by vrchat
no problem with it whatsoever
sometimes it's like i can hover over things in virtual desktop but i can click NOTHING
Just press ctrl+alt+delete+j+w+f3 to free it
that's when vrc still has your mouse, open the menu before switching
ah.. yeah i've never attempted to launch from it before.. i guess its vr but launched inside of a window.. huh.. didnt know that was possible..
that's nonsense
one is in the window, and two more are in the VR eyes
Honestly..
what would it look like to run vrchat in that case under VorpX ? its rendered entirely different obviously..
probably not a good idea
both eyes are done at once in one buffer, the same buffer is displayed on your desktop, please don't spread rumors
i would be interested in seeing the serious amount of memory it would use though
so then which eye's view matrix does it render in the window
the left
I think im gonna attempt it just to see what would happen because well its an experiment really
but VorpX makes anything look awesome to be fair..
Haven't heard vorpx ina while. Lol
then we have two view matrices both on one pipeline
yeah it's called single pass stereo
@vocal shard i've used it since the very start π its grown much more than how it used to be π
Mirrors edge on dk2
^^
DK2 had terrible visibility for me .. that poxy screendoor drove me mad
Yeah. It was really bad. Still enjoyed it tho
once i grew insane trying to resize the vrchat window because hitting the resize border would just catch the mouse, lol
miss hl2 vr and tf2 vr
good to know it wont do it as long as you're in the menu
yeah.. Still.. games like dreadhalls are scary in no matter what image res for the most part.. so even in DK1 it would shit the life out of you..
and you dont notice screendoor on games like that lol
That isnt a game to me its pure trauma.. i simply cannot even get past the opening of the game without fearing whats around the corner
I remember white scenes being the worst. Dark Blue looked the best because the sde lines blended in
oh yeah the blue black
some even had pink or so they said on the early cv1's
Jamie you got the wrapper so you can still play all those awesome demo's? π
Played a bunch if that scuba demo. Amd if you went too far out, the shark would come. Used that to show vr to people because the scuba view added to immersion
On a new pc now... So no
read my info and get it again..
there's so many beautiful demos out there..
and they work so dam good on cv1
Awesome. Thanks! ^^
No probs at all π these were legends when they started.. and to not have access to that list would be a terrible shame
Mhmm
@vocal shard that link is dead though π
Does the wrapper make it work for the current oculus runtime? Like could revive work?
I know i just realised im pissed off
im updating it now
Oof
its literally a giant structure of all titles released
never ending..
I know the old studio Ghibli demos, they were pretty sweet
but the downside is no hand tracking or controller support right?













