I cant play untill tomorrow 
#vrchat-general-2
opaque hawk
Doesn’t that window render at the output resolution set by the streamer?
umbral reef
I got no idea as i never tried it before
opaque hawk
Then you just reduce the size in obs I assume
tacit plank
How do virtual youtubers record themselves in VRChat and stream it to an application?
It's not just screen sharing as they're seen from a distance away, but I know it's possible for one person to do it somehow
prisma nacelle
im guessing something like https://youtu.be/1RObhPlyz8s?t=1m30s this
prisma nacelle
1:30 - 2:15 or atleast along the lines of that
vocal shard
OpenVR/Oculus Mirror + Stream Camera.
languid beacon
The size of the in-game camera depends on your avatar size. If you had a tiny avatar that tablet is huuuge.
Yeah oculus mirror and vrc window gives you both views. Beat saber is the same
tacit plank
A friend of mine streamed his avatar from a third person perspective
To ... I believe it was Skype
languid beacon
People still use Skype? Neat though!
tacit plank
It's build into openVR?
vocal shard
They used the stream camera for the third person.
Then OpenVR or Oculus mirror for first person.
languid beacon
OpenVR method is for Vives. Oculii should just use oculus mirror.
tacit plank
Oh, I see! It's in the camera thing right? I have always ignored it
He's using vive pro
vocal shard
Stream camera changes the view of your main monitor to what the camera's facing.
Not main monitor but the VRC window.
tacit plank
Ah, that's cool! So people just stream that window?
vocal shard
Yeah
vocal shard
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tacit plank
It is, but reinstalling is a pain
queen mango
Speaking of Win7, I miss the startup sound so much
tacit plank
And it will literally take hours to turn Windows 10 into an OS instead of malware
tacit plank
I installed shutup10 on one, but it took 2 restarts before it properly killed the windows update
It came with 10 "user experience" programs, a bloated Microsoft office pack (office click-to-run took like 30% cpu idle) which demanded registration, some acer thing which wanted me to login, etc.
Not to mention application configuration... I need to unfuck firefox as well. Even thumbnailing your most visited sites uses third party services, aka. your history is given away
languid beacon
I just let Microsoft see my porn. I mean, they could have just asked.
But really I’ve long given up on the whole concept of internet privacy
Just a myth/misconception
compact river
Seeing how my system ran with base win 10 ya forget that
languid beacon
At least in the US. I’m pretty sure ISP’s can snoop your browsing history and not be breaking the law
tacit plank
No, that's just giving up
languid beacon
That’s what I said
tacit plank
Your ISP can only see the root sites that you visit, at least on HTTPS sites
Unless maybe your router is owned by your ISP and they're being scummy
Or does HTTPS protect against that too? It should, right?
languid beacon
Router is indeed owned by isp. That is usually the case
neon flume
Afaik HTTPS should keep your traffic through the router safe, but that's assuming you have all the right certs initially. That's why browsers will often throw up insecure warnings when connecting to public wifi that tries to redirect you to their login page.
languid beacon
My isp in particular is one of the most privacy invading (cox cable)
compact river
Can use some vpns i believe that have encryption 2
That way you remove the router beingbthe problem
neon flume
Yeah with a trustworthy VPN you're pretty well protected.
queen mango
They probably want to fail NNN, I think
tacit plank
"Usually the case" In America maybe
VPNs aren't too expensive, here anyways
Get one not hosted in the US or England
languid beacon
Yeah was gonna say. VPN’s are either metered, slow, or expensive
Not an expense someone is willing to take, if they do not even remotely care about his own internet privacy. Godspeed for the ones that do though, seems like wasted effort to me.
compact river
its really not that much work using tools people have put out
and vpns dont cost much at all
languid beacon
Sides all that vpn noise is pointless when you use it to surf Facebook all day
tacit plank
I can get one which runs at 80-90% of my speed for about 20$ a month
Well, if you use Facebook, you've pretty much lost anyways
compact river
rip my dude
tacit plank
Wait...I can get it at less. Anyways, we're talking about 200mbps here
uncut trail
tacit plank
What do you mean 1k?
jovial grail
I NEED HELP
vocal shard
Just say it ^^
ocean bramble
Don't ask to ask, just ask
jovial grail
can someone help
ruby needle
no
you asked 3 times if someone can help you
without a single time asking what exactly with
ocean bramble
I really like to link this website too: http://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html
jovial grail
im having trouble porting something from blender to unity
the textures arent showing when i move it to unity
ocean bramble
@jovial grail Did you import the textures before or alongside the fbx?
maiden hound
delete the textures in unity and re-import them
vocal shard
maps take so LOOOOOONG to load!
ocean bramble
Delete the fbx and the materials folder, then import the textures, then import the fbx
jovial grail
what?
ocean bramble
jovial grail
no
tacit plank
In the folder where you dropped your .fbx, it should have made a folder for textures
maiden hound
where did you get the model?
maiden hound
oops meant textures
brisk aspen
why takes so long to download a custom map -_-
tacit plank
You could go back to the assets folder and make a new folder in there and call it avatar or something. Then drag in all the textures which you downloaded with the file (don't drag in the downloaded .fbx) finally, throw your blender exported .fbx in there
brisk aspen
my download speed is like 0.03% for every 3 seconds XD what is happening?
maiden hound
map must be really big then
brisk aspen
Ye but if a official 12mb map is like 3 second download time
why a 52mb map is like 15-30 min download?????????????
tacit plank
Dgs issue is that he made the texture himself, and it's not being exported with the .fbx it seems
brisk aspen
10% -_-
tacit plank
And I'm not 100% on how to fix that
maiden hound
oh, weird, im not sure either.
and @brisk aspen umbreon is it only happening in that one map?
vocal shard
the lag!
boreal pebble
vocal shard
great pug is broken
tacit plank
I'm off. In case anyone get here with the search feature in the future, the issue was fixed by saving (externally) the texture from the image/UV view in Blender
brisk aspen
@maiden hound no, it happends in all maps
vocal shard
yo
inner vale
Hi
fathom void
Hello VRchat gurus! mind helping out a weeb by telling me if "Windows Mixed Reality" is worth getting??
rigid crescent
its pretty good
rough pulsar
@fathom void It's okay if the other options are too expensive. I have one, along with a Vive and Vive Pro so I can answer any questions about how it compares to them.
fathom void
well to be honest i wouldnt mind buying a vive its just if the WMR works with most things like VRchat and hopefully some games it would save me some cash
@rough pulsar
i know that the WMR have in headset tracking so i cannot be too crazy with my controllers and such
maiden hound
@brisk aspen well, i was just on vrchat and it was alright, so i think its your connection\
@fathom void WMR is actually fairly good, works with a lot of games that support vive, aswell..
for the price, definetly worth it i'd say.
rough pulsar
@fathom void If you can afford one I would definitely suggest a Vive over WMR. The tracking is night and day in terms of quality difference, with the Vive being the better one.
Dgs is also right, with how SteamVR works, anything that supports the Vive will run on WMR through SteamVR
fathom void
yea and they make it easy to get one by paying like overtime
maiden hound
exactly, really depends on if you're cheap and want something under 500 CAD or if you have a couple hundred to spend on a 800 CAD vive
rough pulsar
I haven't, so can't say how it goes. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fathom void
was just wondering if like they ship it to you as soon as u start paying overtime or what
rough pulsar
I can't seem to find the page for paying monthly, at least not for Canadian customers.
I do know it's not an option in all regions though.
brisk aspen
@maiden hound cant be my connection
vocal shard
Just putting my two cents in about wmr. It's definitely good enough. I thoroughly enjoy the ones Ive used. I'd still recommend a vive over it, but wmr will get the job done and is still a good experience. (Personally I'd stay away from the HP one.... That one I returned due to low fov, loose visor, and really small sweet spot compared to other wmr headsets like lenovo) @fathom void
indigo fern
That paragraph is at least three cents
vocal shard
my birthday is tomorrow and im gonna be playing vrchat or doing something whhwhed
dabs in russian
ocean bramble
I do something whhwhed all the time
ocean bramble
We are whhwhed brothers
vocal shard
oofoo?
ocean bramble
Yes!
vocal shard
oh sh00t
marsh quartz
? IS ANY B0DY PLAYING ?
shy pawn
https://i.gyazo.com/dcbd5f558cb9ac99b8eb1a5e7e8dc3c8.png wheres the upgrade account button
queen mango
Through your Steam account. Log on through there
queen mango
It should be in the bottom right of the settings tab
shy pawn
im there
vocal shard
Steam account and launching through steam aren't the same thing..... Just to be clear ..
queen mango
Hmm... you have a VRChat account?
shy pawn
yeah
queen mango
Strange...
shy pawn
not sure what else to do
topaz lynx
so is the oculus store release for VRChat still planned? or is it no longer happening?
sterile drift
Was that ever a thing discussed to begin with? Ehh, regardless, the only thing you need to worry about right now is that it's on Steam, so just play it through there.
meager solstice
i mean it was on the canny for a while
idle elm
Early last year it was said by a VRC dev on a medium post comment that getting an Oculus build out was very important to them and would happen. That comment was later deleted.
It will happen though.
Sadly just not as soon as once hoped.
jagged portal
hmm my mic doesnt work in game in vr, I switch the rift as a default device but still wont work in game
sterile drift
Restart the audio device
Just disable it and re-enable it
Then switch off the mic and back onto it
Usually works for me
If that doesn't work, then I don't know what to tell ya
languid beacon
I own an oculus and even I don’t see the point of a oculus home version of vrchat
lament root
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421683001278070785/512171264308281344/unknown.png
literally at the log in screen
nice job vrchat
brisk umbra
so its easy to put your own mic on oculus?
quartz basin
Sure. Just disable the Oculus mic and use your own.
brisk umbra
cheer guys i will let you know if i had any issues later
cold talon
Virtual cable 
brisk umbra
i am doing it later so...
quartz basin
Just that if you're using a headset you have one more cable to worry about.
brisk umbra
Yeah i am using a headset
umbral reef
Does the rift have a headphone jack plug?
quartz basin
Nope
umbral reef
Dam
Vive does
quartz basin
Well, Vive doesn't come with headphones right out of the box.
got em
brisk umbra
so i can't use my own headset mic for the rift?
quartz basin
Yes you can
brisk umbra
so audio inport for vr on the oculus app?
umbral reef
You get high quallity earbuds together with the vive that are specially made to use with the headset...
(high quallity =/= Aliexpress earbuds for 2 euro)
( Its anything above that)
quartz basin
Well, probably have the same audio quality as these things which come with the Rift.
Also @brisk umbra , just enable your headset microphone when you want to play VRchat.
You do that in the Sounds setting in Windows.
brisk umbra
yep my input and output is the mic i want it to be
vocal shard
hey guys its like 1 am aka my birthday so uhh can i get a happy birthday in the chat
umbral reef
Happybday bou
brisk umbra
happy birthday!!
inner cape
lapis pawn
sudden nacelle
Ha🅱:b:y birth🅱ay yound one
queen mango
Oh no...
sudden nacelle
Oh yes 
queen mango
I may have mistaken you for someone else a month ago
sudden nacelle
Me?
queen mango
Yea.. I kinda mistook your pfp for someone else's that got beaned by Ruubick
sudden nacelle
Lul
queen mango
Reason: He was spamming chat with all caps and unnecessary text
frosty dirge
Hi All, Sorry but I am starting with VRChat and I am working with Unity and VR projects and I am interested in integrate VR Chat to my VR project? Is it posssible? Ps. I am sure if this place correct to do this question, please let me know it. Thanks
umbral reef
How exactly do you mean?
You want to make a product for sale that is within VRchat- You want to start up a service that involves working/doing things within VRchat
Or the more normal thing of wanting to upload your stuff into the game?
unkempt cliff
I hope the bug of materials not changing in mirrors gets fixed
fallow trench
Gtx 1070ti + Ryzen 5 2600x + 16gb can run this game in VR at good framerate
umbral reef
Just find a room with unoptimized avatars 
And then go infront of a mirror
The max you can reach is the 45 fps then
errant merlin
Has anyone seen a model of a sash anywhere?
umbral reef
Sash?
errant merlin
A sash is a large and usually colorful ribbon or band of material worn around the body, draping from one shoulder to the opposing hip
umbral reef
Owww- I was expecting like a person
errant merlin
from one side of the shoulder down to the other side
it's basically a piece of cloth
or a ribbon
seems like it just doesn't exist
safe prism
make one
create a plane, click an edge and extrude it over and over until it's a sash
vocal shard
Can anybody take a look at the stats of a VR ready PC in dm's as i have never owned a desktop pc before
umbral reef
As i said before- Just post the specs in #general-media and people can help you there
Most users here wont spend hours helping in dm's
vocal shard
@umbral reef i cant post the screen shot in there
umbral reef
upload them to imgur
And best is to just send the website of the components that you want or write out the list of componentsn instead of screenshots
vocal shard
ok
tacit plank
Most MMD creators have no fashion sense
queen mango
How so?
tacit plank
They're just regular, plain models
Like people you'd see outside
Well, toga has made a few cool looking characters
vital rune
I love Toga's Fukaziroh
hoary spruce
anyone else keep getting "vrchat is not responding"/"could not connect to vrchat" errors?
tacit plank
I like unique looking things I guess
vital rune
although my fun for using it was ruined thanks to the """new""" crouching animation
tacit plank
An example of a unique character is probably midna. You don't really find anything close to it
vital rune
and I am supremely bummed out that his regular LLENN avatar cant hide in a briefcase but Kanna LLENN can
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
tacit plank
Thanks to Google images, I feel like adding pinterest to my hosts file to block it
umbral reef
Do it
queen mango
Hmm... Why does it feel like Discord is less active today?
Some users aren't online, Ruubick isn't overseeing the chat...
vital rune
people are dying from the inactive plague
queen mango
What happened to Jufo?
tacit plank
Mods are sleeping, discuss random things and ping people
umbral reef
Can we order an @ everyone?
vital rune
the disconnect sound in vrchat
is basically a ptsd for me at this point
because everytime I hear it I throw a hissy fit
queen mango
The disconnect sound... REEEing intensifies
vocal shard
@umbral reef i posted the stats in #general-media
umbral reef
Are you ordering it from a website or building it yourself?
vital rune
that and you have to endure having to stare at a black screen for a good solid 30 seconds to 2 minutes
if your home world is like MMD Dance Stage
vocal shard
@umbral reef a website
queen mango
Heard it doesn't even load for some people. Like it didn't for me
vital rune
it is an issue
ntm VRC would just entirely freeze itself while doing so
as in the game would just give up
queen mango
Yea
vital rune
you know, I'm kinda surprised I havnt been ran across a FNAF avatar in the game
despite it being so goddamn popular it just won't die
queen mango
It's much more simple creating MMD avatars than video game characters, nowadays
Unless it is Nia, nyaow!
median basalt
It's a fairly old game
And not cartoony
Which makes the models fairly low quality
You can get away with low poly and low quality textures if it's something like an N64 or Gamecube model that's clearly meant to be cartoony
vital rune
there is FEAR 2 models
tacit plank
I can't find an avatar of that pink haired loli from bleach. I also can't seem to find a good Ika model
coarse anchor
is there a way to run VRChat only over Oculus VR instead of using SteamVRm, because SteamVR usualy takes way to many rescources
glossy wharf
coarse anchor
SteamVR= Hungry, Oculus App = Less Hungry
<-- Would Prefer to run VRchat Over Oculus App and not having to go into SteamVR
that wasnt so hard to understand now was it?
hasty wedge
@coarse anchor https://gitlab.com/znixian/OpenOVR/tree/master
coarse anchor
I mean my machine really dislikes SteamVR
clever trench
Hi guys, Do we know something about VRChat on oculus quest?
vocal shard
Not likely that it will happen
umbral reef
It sounds like a nice joke
clever trench
Why is a joke? OrbusVR will supp Oculus Quest, and they are a MMORPG, VRchat is just lobbies, I think that VRchat just need a good optimization
:/
umbral reef
Blame the users then my dude
But oculos quest is just an more optimized vr telephone slapped to your face
vocal shard
Vrchat would be too much in its current state... When even a beast PC lags... A little quest would have lots of trouble
floral aspen
VRC brings even the best PC's to their knee's. Quest couldn't handle it
rough pulsar
Oh boy let me tell you something about optimisation 😱
Some of the stuff users have made, and can make will make even a intel i9 and a 2080ti scream in pain
umbral reef
@rough pulsar the current avatar world's being denied
clever trench
@umbral reef ok, a hater of oculus xd
floral aspen
It's literally just a mobile SoC in a headset. Would you try running VRChat on your phone?
clever trench
@floral aspen yeah I know, cause of That I ask
vocal shard
Eh.... How is that hating on oculus. Lol
floral aspen
yeah, he isn't hating, he's just being realistic
umbral reef
Can you explain the system any better then? Give us specs or the magic they use to outperform flagship phone tech
rough pulsar
@clever trench The underlying system of vrchat could be ported to a system like the Quest, but the wildly unpredictable user content absolutely couldn't.
Unless vrchat started enforcing some incredibly strict restrictions on both worlds and avatars
And even then that'd be difficult.
floral aspen
we'd all be running around as VRChat Nikei if they ported it to quest
even then who knows how the performance would be
clever trench
@rough pulsar Thanks for your answer ❤ I understand that
vocal shard
They claim it has the power of a PS3.... But even that...
floral aspen
yup, even that isn't enough
umbral reef
Because FYI
The quests uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835
What is the processor used in an S7
floral aspen
s7 uses Snapdragon 820
umbral reef
It did?
floral aspen
yup
clever trench
I Think that I just could play minecraft and orbus then xd and other experiences I think
umbral reef
But still
It uses phone processors
So how is it not a well optimized phone be headset
floral aspen
phone be headset?
umbral reef
Vr*
clever trench
@umbral reef bro 4 cam and a great lents xd and oculus control, xd
umbral reef
My auto-correct doesn't enjoy the word vr
vocal shard
I'm curious to see how the rift S is tho ..
floral aspen
me too
floral aspen
If whatever the half dome prototype turns out to be is still 4+ years away I'll probably pick up a Rift S
clever trench
a pc 1k + Headset VR or Headset 399 with VR and oculus control xd and Oculus S... so sad but it is just a Oculus Quest with a posibility to conect to pc without the snapdragon
vocal shard
I'd rather have a rift s than a quest... But I have a PC to power it.
Even if they are almost identical in most specs, the s would be a much different experience than the quest because of the processing power
umbral reef
I never stated it's a bad deal or product
Just that it can't run all vr stuff so let stand a heavy performance game like vrc
Same that most games are editing how they render and making quest versions of there games because of it
floral aspen
Same. It's cool that the quest is wireless, but I don't want to sacrifice performance just for wireless. Plus, I don't have the space to take advantage of a wireless headset anyway
vocal shard
Quest is limited to 70hz isn't it? Or is that just the go?
clever trench
@umbral reef Heavy perfonmance or bad optimitation, that is hard to discriminate
floral aspen
yes, it is limited to 70hz
opaque hawk
I just want the main headset manufacturers to come out with new models that address wear and tear issues.
clever trench
@vocal shard 72-75 Hz just a bit more than oculus Go
umbral reef
Vrc is badly optimized with big thanks to avatars that people upload
floral aspen
Doesn't matter how much they optimize VRC if you have users uploading avatars with 1,000 dyna bones
umbral reef
A phone that is 5 years old doing split screen is a hardware problem
clever trench
@umbral reef Yeah I understand the sepecific chase of VRChat, I mean in general
opaque hawk
VRChats optimization has both to do with avatars and worlds
umbral reef
Not an optimization problem then
clever trench
@floral aspen yeah I undertood that just now xd
vocal shard
From what I hear, the quest is a great device and games built for it work well. But vrc just has too much on it's plate to start making a new version just for the quest
floral aspen
yeah, they can't even finish an oculus client for the rift so who knows when they would get around to a quest port
umbral reef
@vocal shard well ofc as they have to redo a lot of work to make it work at all so they can also make it work good
It uses apps instead for the games
Neat fix for it but still
clever trench
@vocal shard I dont Thinks so mmm
umbral reef
@clever trench they need to remake the game for a phone type processor
It's easier to update the game to a new unity version
opaque hawk
I don’t know much about lower level computing, but I assume the switch to unity 2018 would make VRChat on oculus go more likely
floral aspen
umm no
umbral reef
@opaque hawkagain no
clever trench
@umbral reef A remake is obvious, but It doesnt have to be hard, I mean, Oculus wont shell a Quest without games xd They think about that
opaque hawk
No, ok
floral aspen
switching to 2018 doesn't magically make the go powerful enough to run VRChat
umbral reef
Or make the processor able to read steamvr code
Its why not all of games work on phones
clever trench
@opaque hawk They explain me and I understand, They cant optimizate a game that have the freedom to create everything u know
umbral reef
And you need to specially make them compatible
opaque hawk
Makes sense
umbral reef
I can explain it more or other stuff later as gtg for now
floral aspen
bye Oclac
vocal shard
Cya ^^
opaque hawk
Later
clever trench
@opaque hawk But OrbusVR can cause they have specific avatars, instead of be a massive multiplayer open world, they can, cause they have less components of VRchat (?)
see u Oclac I pleasure chat with u
floral aspen
OrbusVR also has extremely basic avatars/world/graphics even when compared to VRChat
clever trench
yeah, Orbus Reborn change the Graphics but they still have another basic style heheh
opaque hawk
Is there a in general disdain or generally snobbyness towards simple retexture/recolored avatars?
floral aspen
idk, I don't really have an issue with them
median basalt
They're pretty easy to make and they're better than not having them at all
But I've definitely seen worlds that stick to a singular model a bit too much
vocal shard
Some might make comments, yeah..
median basalt
Such as that "full body avatars" world, where literally everything is just "take Shimakaze's body, make the boobs bigger, slap a different head on it, put cloth and dynamic bone colliders on literally everything"
vocal shard
hasty wedge
pls dont call that disgrace shimakaze
opaque hawk
Supposedly those avatars have really good fbt
vocal shard
Lol
median basalt
I dunno, their proportions don't seem good for FBT at all
The only upside is that they don't have long skirts so you can properly see your legs
vocal shard
Yet, they are known as "the full body avatar"
Saw someone get comments about "why are you using a FBT avatar when you only have normal vr*
opaque hawk
I’ve noticed that avatars really good for fbt tend to track regular vr better.
Like the red sweater clayman
errant merlin
What’s the difference between a normal model and a FBT avatar?
Is it rigged differently?
Special settings in Unity?
ruby needle
nothing in best case
FBT Compatible avatars are basically just avatars with accurate proportions
errant merlin
I see
ruby needle
and some minimal rigging things to consider
like the 180° Pelvis thingy
which are FBT specific important,
but works just as well without.
just not the other way.
kindred nacelle
Does anyone here use a Samsung VR set and is it good enough for gaming
the reviews say that the main disadvantage is that the tracking is less than perfect
covert linden
I mean samsung gaming should be fine
But I dont think you should get a vr that isn't generally for a pc for pc gaming
But im not too sure
coarse anchor
@hasty wedge I gotta have to say thanks for the openOVR
it made VRChat run so much better
Thanks, thanks a bunch
covert linden
It doesnt seem like the samsung vr can work on pc at all but im not sure if like you meant phone gaming or not idk
Could be looking at the wrong one
hasty wedge
coarse anchor
you are my true hero
hasty wedge
vocal shard
@covert linden they mean the Samsung odyssey
kindred nacelle
OH LOL
vocal shard
@kindred nacelle I have the lenovo explorer which uses the same tracking system. It's definitely good enough and I know many who use wmr systems. True the tracking behind you isn't as trustworthy because when outside the camera sight, it relies on accelerometer data to keep tracking, but that looses accuracy quickly and only lasts for about 5 seconds. But for most games you vary rarely leave the camera sight anyway. @kindred nacelle
kindred nacelle
Yeah, the Samsung Odyssey is gonna be 300 dollars for black friday
Oh, so it actually works when out of the cameras' range, it's just not good
I was wondering about that, seemed like a pretty major design flaw lol
vocal shard
If you search "wmr vrchat" on YouTube. There's a few good reviews that show the tracking and such. Namely one by blunty. I have a review too
It works well for most games. You can still reach behind you, grab stuff, shoot, ect.
kindred nacelle
the black friday deal is just one more factor leading me to abandon my dreams of doing the full body tracking
the low resolution on the original Vive has been the main thing taking me out of VR experiences when I've tried them, so...
vocal shard
With the Odyssey... You'd give up a bit of tracking, but it has one of the best vr screens on the market right now...
kindred nacelle
It seems this is the perfect device for me except for the fact that I have to let go of the dream lol
vocal shard
You could save a bit and down like line, combine the Odyssey with the vice fbt system
If you buy the vive lighthouses, you can use it's fbt system with any other headset
Rift and wmr users already do that
Same thing with the upcoming valve knuckles.
kindred nacelle
you'd need 2 or 3 sensors and the 3 trackers
kindred nacelle
not bad
vocal shard
It's different than the rift. Don't need 3
kindred nacelle
I didn't know you could do that. Good to know.
I had the idea to make the full body trackers pay for themselves if you know what I mean, but in VRChat a performance has a hard limit of 19 spectators
It's a bit hard to justify them when they don't do anything else at all lol
topaz lynx
since there's lori lord's game show event coming up
where can i find the world for it in VRChat?
well?
i thought this chat is active
i can't seem to find it
i even tried searching lori lords game show
😦
any suggestions on searching it?
or maybe at least a picture of the world?
vocal shard
Ask JoeRobbi, the host.
topaz lynx
well where can i find him?
grave jungle
You can just search for him 
light wedge
WHY MY VR CHAT NOT START UP
vocal shard
@arctic bronze
light wedge
why my vr chat not start up. i have no idea
inner vale
I just had a similar issue, but it's working now.
vocal shard
Have you tried following #vrchat-support?
topaz lynx
i'll try
i don't think i can post there
looks like i'll have to find it the hard way i guess
grave jungle
Just dm Joe robbi and ask 
grave jungle
Then add him first. Idk if he isn’t responding to the @ then he prolly doesn’t look at this discord
umbral reef
Ad is over watching us guys 👀
vocal shard
?
grave jungle
Don’t type it 
vocal shard
Oh, Overwatching.
compact river
light wedge
yep still i open vr chat
umbral reef
Well you can always watch me advert 
arctic bronze
hi what'sup?
inner vale
Hi
vocal shard
TJStudio's asking where the event's going to take place.
arctic bronze
so it will take place in the Loli lords game show world, you can either join the VRChat Events discord, join the Loli Lords discord, or add @ivory granite and or @azure harbor to join in and watch the games. Currently due to school I am not able to attend the event so I will not be present. The discords will give you updated times and info on all that is going on with the game show ^^
topaz lynx
that makes sense
arctic bronze
I am not sure if I can link discords in here or not
topaz lynx
i'll try to join the world as soon as i can
arctic bronze
yep if you have any questions about the events you can ask Lowlow or Punk 😁
topaz lynx
alright
arctic bronze
they usualy open a public or F+ world and then switch to a Friends only or invite+ to keep things on track
light wedge
look like is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401685265200054292/512348539196538880/unknown.png just ignore stream vr
vocal shard
As #vrchat-support says.
Need some help? Crashing? Not able to get into the app? Please contact support@vrchat.com with as much information as possible! Be descriptive! What were you doing? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? Pretend you're trying to describe the issue to someone so they can recreate the issue.
kindred nacelle
I have a running argument with a couple of friends over which one of these two articles will happen first: a Kotaku article about how exciting it is for gender to be a little more flexible in VRchat, or a Polygon article about how cis het straight white rapists are putting on female bodies just for the lols
fresh tiger
Unity update WHEN
meager solstice
When Pews beats T-series
grave jungle
But we’re specwul
umbral reef
Such a bully robot
tacit plank
When I close VRChat, my steam tries to start up again, and if I close that box, steam closes itself
tranquil perch
not sure what causes that. I know i had something similar happen to boarderlands 2 before
tacit plank
I'm used to bugs, but it's weird that VRCat can influence Steam itself in such a manner
vocal shard
👀 I'll watch both of ye
thank to everyone who said happy birthday to me
quite the epic
night lark
opaque hawk
I was watching some old VRChat footage last nice. the ui looks so much better now
empty wharf
I was watching old Vrchat footage, man I was likeable back then.
opaque hawk
You cut me on that edge
thick rivet
I was watching some old VRChat footage, I really need to learn how to talk as my character
... but I'm a soccer ball, so I guess it's not that hard x)
empty wharf
@opaque hawk i handle my thoughts with layered oven mitts.
kindred nacelle
How does WMR tracking work when you're trying to move your head laterally?
If it doesn't have an external sensor, how does it know you're moving laterally?
subtle prawn
📷
opaque hawk
It uses the cameras, it tracks the room around you, it actually more accurate for head tracking then the other headsets
tacit plank
Can we up the polygon limit already? It only hurts innocent players and rewards modding the SDK and downloading things off "that one website".
It also spreads misconceptions about performance. From my experience, a lot of Japanese players can't get themselves to break the polygon limit. They like rules too much.
But they're also skeptical if I tell them they should merge their meshes or do texture atlasing
Just face it, the limit will be changed sooner or later (to some sub-65k value)
A materials or mesh limiter (even if those limits are lenient) will improve performance more than the 20k limit ever did
vocal shard
i tested some of the top models on that website
they usually have more than 30 materials
tacit plank
Because every download there has guides and files for overwriting the limit
sterile drift
Several people are typing...
queen mango
Hello there...
vocal shard
let's not also talk about how many dyn bone too.
tacit plank
Honestly, even a warning about meshes/materials/dynamic bones will spread awareness
floral aspen
^
rigid crescent
Maybe take the few hours it would take to do some videos on optimization so we can have an official word on it
tacit plank
A lot of players want to have a good FPS. They're not lagging others intentionally, they just don't know any better
umbral reef
Caff- We have been screaming this shit for so long into the empty void
rigid crescent
Tell me why meshes/materials/dynamic bones matter besides "guy on discord say so"
umbral reef
Unless you are a famous streamer boi or have a big enough reach with them
Shit wont even get attention
floral aspen
Putting some optimization tips in the loading screen might help
rigid crescent
yeah that too, it doesn't matter. if they cared about performance then they'd take the moments of time it would take to make an official PSA about this
umbral reef
Tl;dr The more diffrent lose things that there are the more diffrent things you need to render
Instead of it being calcualted it one go
rigid crescent
"Hey guys, Tupper here with a blah blah blah. Merge your fucking bones, for the love of god. here's why this shit actually matters"
tacit plank
That pretty much covers it, actually, Oclac
umbral reef
Think of counting 1+1+1+1+1+1 instead of just saying 5
rigid crescent
I know, most people do not
umbral reef
And the heavier the script, (example dynamic bones) the more 1's you have to count
rigid crescent
and most people dont care what random discord guy says
umbral reef
Thing is- There have been voices from the higher ups that it should be a thing
But well... I see jack shit so far
rigid crescent
That's why Tupper's video that isn't even on the official VRChat youtube has more views than any other guide
tacit plank
I was just trying to argue that it will be a thing sooner or later
rigid crescent
It's "the video" even now
umbral reef
Same goes for so much stuff that does not take to much work to implement by a random but apparently takes months for VRC
tacit plank
At this rate, bypassing the SDK will be so common that it becomes an automatic CATS feature
umbral reef
'the video' is outdated though
rigid crescent
It's outdated, but it's as close to official as we have
tacit plank
So it will only harm people who dislike breaking rules, and annoy new players while teaching them how bad the security is and that they can bypass most limits
rigid crescent
Tupper could spit on a plate and upload it to Tiktok and it would still be considered more officail than any user made content
inner cape
Cats is a blender add-on
Bypassing sdk limit is changing script in unity
How can it be a cats feature 
tacit plank
Easy
Export it to your unity project folder
A changed SDK file. That will overwrite it. Just specify a project path and Blender should be able to do it
inner cape
queen mango
What's going on?
tacit plank
It's not elegant by any means, but you can do it
umbral reef
@queen mango basic ranting
tacit plank
That wasn't my point
inner cape
Svel changes sdk? 
vocal shard
okay caffeine
let's see here
"I was just trying to argue that it will be a thing sooner or later"
compact river
vocal shard
people have been saying that for more than a year
tacit plank
I'm saying that bypassing it will be such a common thing that it might as well be a CATS feature now.
You're an experienced player, but if you're totally new, you'd download cats to help you do basic VRChat things right?
vocal shard
"sooner or later"
and we usually see a "later" to "never"
still waiting for the chairs that were suppsoed to be a few weeks away
no news whatsoever for UDON since the initial reveal
but sooner or later i guess
and in 2 years we will still say that
tacit plank
A year ago I didn't hear of how to bypass the limit, neither did any of my friends know about it
vocal shard
like everything else
i heard about bypassing the limit like 3 weeks after i started playing
tacit plank
Now, I don't know any people (other than Asians) who haven't bypassed it
queen mango
chairs 👀
floral aspen
UDON is following in the footsteps of Playmaker unfortunately. Big reveal and then radio silence for months or even a year at a time
tacit plank
Now you're basically expected to bypass it. If 90% of players do it, it's just a pain for new players
vocal shard
you can still make a MMD model looks good under 20k
it's just take time and effort
which a very few people actually want to do
vrchat just disconnected
look at shonzo's avatar
tacit plank
So it wouldn't be weird if somebody made a community tool which bypasses it, and maybe gets you basic shaders and such. A getting-started pack basically
rigid crescent
lolshonzo
tacit plank
It's a lot of work, it's unrewarding (as it doesn't really matter for performance) it might look good, but never as good, and most of the times the MMD models you find are just awful
rigid crescent
all thsoe dynamics tho
vocal shard
it depend on the model
when he isnt "experimenting" he is staying in the limit of vrchat
under 30 dyn bone
he is probably going to need to modify and reupload some of them tho
tacit plank
Most users can't, most users won't, and it's a bad investment of time compared to learning texture atlasing
Good on him though
Aren't most avatars in avatar worlds above the limit too?
rigid crescent
absolutely
umbral oracle
The problem with the limit that I saw as a new avatar maker is I spent 95% of my hours of time getting polygons within the limit and then kind of botched material and dynamic bone optimization for the last 5% of my time because it wasn't necessary, so all of my models had like 10 materials and tons of unused bones but at least were within the limit
vocal shard
yeah caffeine
you can basically get anything accepted if you upload your world on a sunday
if you check the recent world form
umbral oracle
I started finding models that had less clothing so I didn't have to deal with decimation, and that's just the incentives I was given and I found I started to do better with bones and materials when I didn't focus all my energy on the 20k limit
vocal shard
some world got refused cuz avatars got like 250 dynamic bones
5+ colliders
30+ materials
if that world was requested on a sunday, then it would have been public
rigid crescent
plenty existing ones, extremely popular ones, still have terrible avatars in them though
rigid crescent
it's hard and honestly unfair, but i wish they'd just target the popular worlds
vocal shard
slowly but at least they are doing something now
rigid crescent
those should've been hit first tbh
vocal shard
30 dyn bone max
less than 5 materials
only 1 dyn bone collider
from what i saw
i thinkg they allow 2 meshes if it's using cloth
rigid crescent
I mean, it's totally possible, but I doubt these full body dancer avatars are within that limit
seeing as most of those skirts practically require a collider on each leg
vocal shard
it's cloth tho
rigid crescent
same with the hair
vocal shard
so it's different from dyn bone collider
tacit plank
Cloth with what settings though?
vocal shard
dyn bone collider are really laggy if you compare them to unity colliders
tacit plank
The default are horrible I've heard
rigid crescent
gotta get a Ripper Hero to go to all these worlds and figure out for us lol
opaque hawk
At least the ever present ooka avatars are fairly “optimized “ by default
umbral oracle
I'll use 19k polys for the cloth mesh and 1k for the rest
tacit plank
Isn't the default updaterate like 10 times more than what's needed? I remember reading that, just not where or when
vocal shard
nah
rigid crescent
sadly the new flavor of the month avatar seems to be from that Classified world, and all those have a bunch of effects
rigid crescent
we're already veering away from the crappy full body emission tattoos
umbral oracle
Not if you throw 20k vertices on it :-p
vocal shard
obviously dont use cloth on a 2k poly mesh
i went up to 3k
with very little performance issue
(for testing)
i didnt actually use the model
5k is usually getting a bit of lag
umbral oracle
15k vertex cloth = solid 1fps
tacit plank
Ah, good way to test I think. So it's about 12.5% more CPU for the entire avatar
vocal shard
it's been a long time
in vrhcat i didnt notice any difference
but then again
i was alone
rigid crescent
That's not as bad of a problem until it's a popular world avatar
rigid crescent
then you'd got 8 of them in a pug
rigid crescent
or 5 of them in a friends of guest
vocal shard
yeah
but it was a shit ton of polys
you arent supposed to use it on something so big
tacit plank
Depending on the collision calculations, the needed CPU might be exponential
vocal shard
like 1k should be the maximum limit
tacit plank
Like, if you have 4 objects, they might each need to calculate if they're within the range of the other 3, this makes 12 calculations in total. With 5 objects, that becomes 20
vocal shard
i'm pretty sure the unity collider are less CPU intensive than dyn bone colliders
you can have so many of them and still be fine
covert chasm
@vocal shard The ideal "limits" (there are exceptions) are 30 DynBone transforms, 1 (ideally zero) DynBone colliders, less than 10 materials. Its noted in #public-world-request and in the submission form.
vocal shard
do the same numbers with dyn bone
and you will lag
oh, good to know
i didnt check those cuz i dont make worlds
thanks
i'm curious as to why 1 tho ?
tacit plank
Like this, you could have an avatar which runs fine when you're alone, but a lot of lag when you're a bunch of people using that avatar
vocal shard
is it to limit to the minimum possible ?
covert chasm
DynBone colliders are awful.
umbral oracle
Might be good to update the sdk to say the same thing. Many creators don't read discords
covert chasm
They have to read the discord/submission form to submit a public world 😃
the non-technical, handwavey explaination is that colliders "double" the cost of any bones they're applied to.
umbral oracle
Many make just personal avatars I mean
umbral oracle
I didn't realize it was that bad, interesting
covert chasm
Yes. Funny part of dynbones-- the lower your framerate, the worse the effect of DynBones is.
kind anchor
Yes thats how i make floating avatard
umbral reef
Oi tupper is there a place to request/give idea's for anything but the game 
Or does the canny count for anything and everything owned by vrc
tacit plank
That's fine, unless adding another means x4, or having two of those avatars in the same world makes them calculate collisions with eachother
vocal shard
imagine submitting a request to get your world public whe n you have avatars with more than 250 dyn bone and 5 colliders
kindred nacelle
I... I just use Kizuna Ai and Felix, because I don't want to walk around with something that's trying to be flashy and yet i just picked it from a public world...
tacit plank
Oh, dynamic bone update rate is the same no matter your FPS you mean?
vocal shard
lmao, i didnt know that
so as soon as you start lagging because of dyn bone you are basically already fucked 
kindred nacelle
I wouldn't mind using something special and being less of a pleb, I guess...
umbral oracle
Oh imagine if that was the cause of the steamvr menu lag glitch
covert chasm
No, its weird. TCL knows more. But if DynBones is running in a low-perf environment, it actually has more of a negative effect on perf than if you were at high FPS.
so its a feedback loop
vocal shard
TCL is the guy that knows everything about unity
i'm happy that the public world are getting more thoroughly checked
kind anchor
Yes by looking tail of foxgirl avatar my starts to scream because of dyn
vocal shard
just wish it was more consistent
rigid crescent
just because you're not flashy doesn't mean it's optomized, tactical
tacit plank
Can we get somebody to code a better dynamic bones?
rigid crescent
THere's a chance the Felix has 40 bones in his skirt alone
vocal shard
someone from 4chan was trying to make his own dynabone script which was way more optimized
covert chasm
"better dynamic bones" can't really exist. You can only optimize it so far-- the actual operation it is performing is very difficult to do performantly over a large number of bones.
vocal shard
but i didnt get any more new
tacit plank
Like, make it use both box colliders and mesh colliders. Then if collision is detected with the box collider, start doing the mesh collider calculations. Not before then
covert chasm
It isn't easily threadable, it isn't easily job-system-able
vocal shard
i don't think you can make dyn bone more optimized than now
it's always going to be a source of lag
umbral oracle
Well cloth is a better (cheaper) dynamic bones in a sense, if it were applied at the bone level instead of the vertex level it could be used as such
vocal shard
no matter what
cloth is really good honestly
when you don't use it on a 8k polys hair like that dance avatar world
umbral oracle
Well I wish it could be used on the bone chain that makes up the hair, then you weight paint the hair to it
covert chasm
Cloth really isn't that much better than DynBones
vocal shard
some people are looking into GPU 'dynamic bones' systems, but the current setup would require cameras
covert chasm
unless you create a mesh specifically for cloth-- super low vert count
vocal shard
yeah
covert chasm
like less than 150-200 verts
vocal shard
better to use cloth on a 500poly skirt than a skirt with 30 dyn bone
yo tupper, are the reviewers going to check already approved popular avatar worlds ?
rigid crescent
;_; just say it in a video tupper pls
"guys chill with the fucking bones and cloth"
rigid crescent
make an Optimization Tik Tok
umbral oracle
... actually I want to try this now. @vocal shard if I use bone transform matricies as my avatar mesh and make it just one cloth with 1 vertex per bone
tacit plank
Sounds good!
rigid crescent
"hit or miss, i guess they never miss huh? you got too many bones i bet ya didnt merge them! mwah"
done
vocal shard
but it's good to have some absurd avatar world getting refused now
umbral reef
@vocal shard Aka not Vr soon
vocal shard
yea
tacit plank
You should compare a badly optimized mmd avatar with cloth and colliders to one that you've optimized as much as possible.
I'm sure the difference will be around 10-fold
rigid crescent
lol
umbral reef
Yea Love the worlds with the insanely bad avatars being denied 
rigid crescent
I love the snarky comments on some of them
vocal shard
people have already been told to atlas and join meshes and avoid dynbones, they think it doesn't apply to them because they're special
rigid crescent
"not very lag free lol"
umbral reef
Now just to keep it up and educate the peeps
tacit plank
Can cats merge bones while keeping weights?
rigid crescent
Told by who? where?
umbral oracle
But yes this is a huge step forward already. I think we need more in the education front and showing dyn bone usage and material count in the sdk would help get people thinking about it earlier
umbral reef
@tacit plank Fairly sure it can
kind anchor
I tried to run 134k vert cloth on map as simulating sea waves it was terrible
vocal shard
some people thing that because they atlased their model they can now go crazy with dyn bone
@tacit plank yes actually
there is a button called "merge weight"
umbral oracle
I had trouble with bone merging in the past like caffeine it was all or nothing inn paint so it made things look jumpy
vocal shard
it will remove the bone and transfert weight to his parent
rigid crescent
I didn't know it mattered until recently because there's next to no official statements about it just some angry dudes in a discord channel
umbral oracle
It needs to distribute weight to the parent and child
tacit plank
There's a "merge bones", but it has a dropdown menu which only lets me select hair
vocal shard
@umbral oracle but then you're still doing the spring systems on cpu?
tacit plank
Under optimization
rigid crescent
really? mine usually has any chains of bones
tacit plank
I have the second-newest cats though, not the very newest
rigid crescent
maybe they have to be rooted to show up?
tacit plank
These bones are black lines, not the usual MMD ones
compact river
you can use snap to active with the merge vertex group mod for most of that no?
vocal shard
get the newest then
umbral reef
Also tuppero
With the optimization work thingy you fella's doing. Will you guys also explain why X is bad and why Y helps?
rigid crescent
that's what actually matters. a lot of people would care if they knew what to care about
vocal shard
i never used the bone merge from the optimization tab
i usually do it manually
and fix the weight paint a bit if needed
tacit plank
"Merge weights" under model options makes both bones disappear
vocal shard
merge weight will delete the selected bones and transfer the weight paint to the parent bone
also i agree with you mic
it's good that they are sayxing it's bad
but they need a why it's bad
kindred nacelle
about me and Felix... he's pretty crudely made compared to basically everything else, and I know that he could still be an inefficient clunker
vocal shard
people need a reason to do stuff
tacit plank
Oh, I'll need to create a bone which replaces the two I have selected though
kindred nacelle
all I'm saying is, I'm torn between wearing something special and trying too hard
besides, that makes it extra lame if you pick something that shows up all the time
vocal shard
just use something that makes you feel comfortable
kindred nacelle
(I HATE that all the anime girls have sameface syndrome)
vocal shard
cuz it's the same 5 tda base models
kindred nacelle
tda?
queen mango
But no MMD males
tacit plank
Pick anything that you like
opaque hawk
Tda the 3D artist
tacit plank
Or do like me and get something unique
queen mango
I take slight offense to that, Svel
opaque hawk
Completely retexture a head so no one’s know is ____
kindred nacelle
I'd go with 2B but the only one i've seen has the blindfold off
Kizuna looks great though
tacit plank
A few people use this one, but google "Ushimi Ichigo". It does not look like most other avatars
kindred nacelle
I don't know how her eyes work but they really look good
vocal shard
loli again 
kindred nacelle
"most vrchat lolis" are Kanna let's be real
queen mango
That sums up VRChat in a nutshell.
tacit plank
The only actual loli I can think of is Konko fox chan
median basalt
If only the SDK told us that materials, meshes and dynamic bones matter.
tacit plank
And maybe those few with the broken months
vocal shard
konko is pretty rare now yeah
median basalt
MMD males are hard to come by, fortunately I found one that suits me pretty well
Just can't put it up in public, that's all.
Which means a lot of my latest work will remain private most likely
tacit plank
Kisaragi and the other models by that guy. As well as those by icemega5
queen mango
Oof.
umbral reef
Also finally- Companies are throwing the finger towards Article 13 and said they will follow it with harsh rules
They will just block it all for EU to make it clear how shit the law is 👏
Now google- follow your sister company and and amazone/cloudfare throw an ayyylmao after it 👀
tacit plank
But that's it. I have standards for lolis, don't scale a boob monster down to midget size and claim to me that you're a loli
median basalt
Lol
I've seen a "loli" Ran Yakumo that's just Ran scaled down
And it looks pretty bad
queen mango
That's oppai loli for you
median basalt
Not a fan of lolis to begin with tbh
hasty wedge
thats not oppai loli at all
median basalt
I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum
Inb4 "you're on the spectrum alright" huehue
hasty wedge
ppl think making their model smol is a loli in this game
compact river
compact river
Like messed up legs
kindred nacelle
I saw a dancer with her twitch url on her butt, but you couldnt read it worth shit because of how textures work
compact river
That ar 3/4 the body
kindred nacelle
that made me think that you could just put the twitch and twitter logo somewhere visible
if your url is the same as your username
queen mango
That seems like a risque place to put your url in
tacit plank
Only loli Miku I know is "pxch miku", but the hand bones in it are broken
queen mango
Ooh? Open Beta?
hasty wedge
puchi api miku
queen mango
We're gonna need a user counter that tracks the number of Open Beta users
tacit plank
inb4 "5"
vocal shard
i hope that the beta user actually report the stuff properly this time
so they don't push the update with fucked stuff
light saddle
^
queen mango
Hopefully
lilac swan
I assume you're helping with testing then
queen mango
Mfw when I don't know how to sign up account to post cannies
When I have time, that is...
vocal shard
nah man
umbral reef
Having time to play the game- Nice joke zarni 
vocal shard
i'm too lazy to test and do a proper report
lilac swan
vocal shard
that's why i'm not hopping on the beta
but if you actually take the time to switch to the beta and test it
it's kinda expected that you make a proper report
lilac swan
To me it feels weird to complain about users not reporting bugs while not doing it yourself.
umbral reef
To be fair- there aint a lot to report upcomming beta
median basalt
No offense but literally the first thing we reported was broken avatar sounds last time lol
I do want chairs back for several reasons
I guess "weeks, not months" was not entirely accurate
umbral reef
Months not years
vocal shard
by one guy apparently
for me it feel weird that people are getting into the beta to test it, because that's the whole point of it and then not report anything
because "someone else probably did it"
umbral reef
No one ever reports anything
Its the reason why some devs invite power users into special report groups...
queen mango
Could be because they didn't have an account to post cannies
umbral reef
Just so they have atleast a group of users they know report problems properly and with enough info
vocal shard
it takes like 30 seconds to make one
umbral reef
So.. 
How will they handle all the new reports with the upcomming stuff within the beta? As currently they can barely handle the gates
And if users start flooding it even more with user reports... How? What?
ruby needle
it can be as simple as additional data / flag
that can be seen when checking a single report
to.. i dont know
¯_(ツ)_/¯
umbral reef
Still- If a 20 minute tasks becomes 2 minutes
But there are 15x as many reports...
Its still more work 👏
umbral reef
And false reports will be a thing as its easier to report this way...
vocal shard
how can they know it's real and not some groups trolling someone ?
rigid crescent
I'm guessing investigating the user, they already do that anyway
all i can think of honestly
vocal shard
they invested when you have a big report done for ther user
usually with some good proof in the form of the outputlog
but now it's literally nothing
it's like " yo this guy is cancer, pls ban kthxbai"
and nothing else
queen mango
They should also invest some time in interviewing the player about it.
vocal shard
yeah good luck with that
vocal shard
they don't ever have enough mod to call them directly in the instance
umbral reef
The average VRC user is retarded. We all know that and no one can change my mind on that
rigid crescent
truth
queen mango
Yea, true
vocal shard
nothing to change since it's true
rigid crescent
a lot are extremely tech illiterate too
umbral reef
Anyone who ever worked in any type of consumer helping role knows what i said is a plain fact
queen mango
Means, gathering data is impossible
vocal shard
the fact that they are tech illiterate is sad tho
they are so gullible
you can say any bullshit and they will believe it
rigid crescent
yeah, the "fry your gpu" shit rumors being this big is enough proof
vocal shard
"yo, don't piss me off or i'll use my crasher to fry your GPU"
and then that gullible guy will make a public announcement inside his little discord community
"warning, new GPU fryer"
and then it spread everywhere
until it get in VRCD and i get in trouble for insulting the retards that still spread it and believe it
queen mango
Which is why you gotta question first if it is true. Then still doubt it when they said so
umbral reef
instead of typing them over and over and over and over and over and over
rigid crescent
-cough- mitch murder -cough-
vocal shard
who is mitch murder again =
rigid crescent
i have no clue
but i've seen at least two of their announcements show up pasted as images in discords im in
lemme find my favorite
umbral reef
You know what triggers me the most about these problems?
There is legit no way we can help 👏 Or make it less worse
rigid crescent
vocal shard
just kick someone that try to start dumb rumors
rigid crescent
I berate the people posting them
umbral reef
Can we do that @vocal shard ?
vocal shard
oh that moron