Ah, right. Two cameras then? That should work. In theory anyways.
And the path is: C:\Users%USERNAME%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat
#vrchat-general-2
tacit plank
vast tulip
also a mirror, pretty much, is two cameras with a script to make them perfectly look the way they do
tacit plank
Really? I can get alright FPS if 10 people in the room has cameras enabled, but as soon as I turn on a mirror I just drop to 20-30 on Desktop
opaque hawk
I still think you should double check if you enabled lighting in your mirror
Otherwise rip
gaunt ginkgo
Quock
queen mango
@sterile drift Is it both the avatar and emotes audio?
vocal shard
yes
tacit plank
Maybe he wanted it as a .txt ... But yeah, he should have noticed it
sterile drift
Avatars and emotes yea
glass yacht
they said to zip the two files
tacit plank
Ah, fair enough
sterile drift
For some reason it's playing for a millisecond for some audio and some just refuse to play at all
opaque hawk
I’m itching to get home so I can try and figure out a work around for the audio issue
neat ferry
I've been experiencing emotes and gestures sounds not playing for like
queen mango
I had those issues when testing out the Open Beta. Notified it to the open beta discussion.
Well, Aev did tell me to look into it more if it was either a world-related or avatar-related issue
vocal shard
gg
glass yacht
loneEevee I have the same issue you are having with music files in any world, have had that issue for months
tacit plank
Audio was redone for performance reasons, but it seems that something went wrong still
glass yacht
worse yet every time it hitches and repeats it dings client performance
neat ferry
I just tell myself that VRchat is still on early access.
sterile drift
Yea messing with voice audio somehow really broke avatars and world audio I'm assuming
queen mango
Second time around. It is indeed an avatar-related issue, as the Platelet Loli had no issues with audio on different worlds, while both the HoppouCat and HolyMiko had.
vocal shard
its world cause if you have a avi thats plays noise when you spawn in you can hear it
queen mango
Notified it to the open beta notifications: No response this time.
I thought in my mind: "They were looking into it"
vocal shard
@vocal shard not always true my avatar audios are broken
queen mango
Cue today's update, and I'm pissed
tacit plank
Why not update on the beta first and then be like "anyone still experiencing issues?" before merging with main
vocal shard
yup that would be a good idea but nope
tacit plank
The update is good, it just needs to work a bit better
queen mango
Nyaow! Warui!
vocal shard
the new audio break is indeed the biggest gay
queen mango
Right
sterile drift
One weird thing was brung up by my friend Splinks and I can confirm
quartz basin
Just wanted to ask what's up with the audio but good thing I'm not the only one
sterile drift
If you look in a mirror and perform any animation that changes your material
The material changes just, don't appear.
queen mango
Sometimes it happens instsntly
vocal shard
why does it seem like updates dont fix anything they just break more things
its like the opposite of what most updates to games do
supple python
Cause programming, patch a bug, cause 10 more
neon flume
Oh! I've run into that as well. My colour changing emissions connected to gestures appear for everyone except me in mirrors. Not a huge issue since everyone else can see it.
vocal shard
so...dont release it till its presentable
sterile drift
For desktop users, it'll be quite the issue
quartz basin
Don't call it a bug, call it a safety feature. Now people won't have to listen to those pesky sounds anymore!
sterile drift
LOL
vocal shard
@quartz basin what about people who hang out in privates and like to hear those sounds
tacit plank
Mirrors were always a world of their own. You have an evil doubleganger who wants to swap places with you. It's dynamic bones and cloth will also be in different positions
vocal shard
i wanna listen to pesky sounds
quartz basin
I'm just shitposting. I'm using alot of sounds as well and am quite pissed
tacit plank
It's not really a bug, just that mirrors are difficult. If you can code better ones, do so and send it to the VRChat team I guess
And I usually mute sounds, so I don't care much.
glass yacht
wow and I got warned by Tupper... like it was my fault..are you for real? what kind of false reality bubble crap is this? if you don't want insulting language thrown around maybe you should staff your company with competent human beings who actually care..? the very fact that you have the audacity to try to place the blame for my outrage over your staff's idiocy on me is offensive in the extreme in and of it's self, you should be ashamed
tall bronze
Is vr chat using the latest unity yet
covert chasm
The sound issue is something we're looking at-- nothing is lost, and likely just a change to the way we handle avatar initialization affected sounds in an odd way. We're working on it right now. :)
I will note that apparently these things were noticed in the Open Beta but not reported-- because users thought that "someone else probably already reported it". So, if you want to help in catching stuff like this next time (things that slip by us, but won't slip by a more diverse set of testers/avatars/worlds), please check out #open-beta-info and opt-into the Open beta notifications.
umbral reef
@glass yacht Providing feedback and insulting are diffrent things though
vocal shard
@covert chasm thanks bb
umbral reef
@iSpookyBlaze 🎃#7950 Its not, updating it is easier said then done so it might take while to update or might never update. Who knows, I dont 
glass yacht
k whatever , ill just be wrong cause an employee said so
tall bronze
I use Unity myself , it's well easy to update
vocal shard
it's a game, not your life, calm down
tacit plank
If it was that easy, they would have updated already.
Basically every world and avatar will have to be reuploaded if they update Unity, that is if things even work correctly
tall bronze
Without downloading separate versions
umbral reef
Im sure plenty of base unity things are easy to update
But this game relies on scripts and ect Fairly sure the problem lies there
tall bronze
Why would simple models and textures need updating
tacit plank
The reason you can't upload avatars from the 2018 version to begin with is because they're not compatible
umbral reef
@tacit plank reuploading aint that big of a problem even imo
Think most would be happy to get new stuff and all they need to do is reupload
And they might can make it easy to even move versions with a download file so you can swap it
tall bronze
I guess they're still working on it, it might be deprecated stuff... Or god forbid, unityscript
Why don't we have workshop integration yet lol .
The system is janky at the moment, that could be what they're updating
tacit plank
It's not just triangles and colors, it's also components and scripts, as well as the VRChat SDK itself
I'd be okay with having to reupload, I think, but I can see why many people wouldn't
tall bronze
But I suppose re uploading wouldn't be a problem
Just click a button... As long as you still have the files
tacit plank
I guess they'd have to make a beta which runs Unity 2018 and just keep it up until most people have switched and then shut down the regular one or something
vocal shard
why not both? lmao
tacit plank
What if you're using Unity trees and terrain and those components were changed? It's just one of countless things which could have changed
tall bronze
Nah, none of that has changed
tacit plank
When I Google Unity issues and features for VRChat worlds, the documentation I find is usually very different
It's difficult to explain why updating breaks things exactly. But for example, a lot of legacy things will probably be removed, and the Unity shaders are likely to have changed
vocal shard
Don't fix the sound issue, it's better this way ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
short thistle
I am looking for smooth_octopus
queen mango
shrewd cairn
I am having the same mirror issue as you @tacit plank , drops from solid 90fps to totally spotty/unstable 61-86fps as soon as I use any mirror on any world. This includes the home/spawn world, Lag Free Box, A Truly Lag Free World, and multiple other worlds where I have never experienced the frame drops before even while in full servers. Also moving my hands into the very edge of frame specifically drops it to 65ish fps and pointing at the mirror making the blue selection border appear drops it to solid 60fps
umbral reef
All il say is, lagg free worlds aint lagg free at all 👏
They are technically a 'not adding extra lagg world'
shrewd cairn
Its lag free for me... I love you gigabit
tacit plank
He knows, he listed "truly lag free" after. He should be able to get 90FPS in an empty world, but can't with mirrors. I guess it's because it's rendering the VR headset screens twice or something, which is essentially a 4k screen?
vocal shard
We need a "Truly, honestly, absolutely Lag Free World" then
shrewd cairn
but it wouldn't meet the criteria for mirror simulator 2018
tacit plank
For small and simple worlds, most of your lag is probably just rendering your own avatar. There is not much point in choosing a 5 drawcall world over a 10 drawcall world
pseudo basalt
1 meter clipping plane distance for a true lag free experience, or lack of it
covert chasm
There's no such thing as a "Lag Free World". 🙃
umbral reef
@vocal shard Tl;dr a world that forces you into a default avatar and puts everyone in there own cube so you cant see eachother 👏
Combining your materials and reduing the amount of dynamic bones you use (and cloth)
vocal shard
I'm suing, I was promised no lag world
opaque hawk
Goes to a lag free world, sees toggable objects that should be static
shrewd cairn
Ok I understand the lag free stuff... the point is I never lost frames before
now i do
umbral reef
goes a longer way in causing less leg then joining a world with 20 unoptimized users on a map
tacit plank
There are many lag free worlds, as in worlds that can run at 5000 FPS in the Unity profiler. The world is not an issue if it uses less CPU power than another player's nameplate, neither does it make sense to try and optimize it more
sterile drift
If you try to upload a world with the tag "Lag free" it's gonna be an instant 👏
umbral reef
Or well- It should be
Some worlds still slip true oddly enough
tacit plank
It will not get approved. It is a low effort name and misleading at best though
umbral reef
Or last time i checked some did
tacit plank
You can now report worlds though
weary bison
worlds claiming to be lag-free are in most cases tested
vast tulip
no world would ever pass a lag free test since its impossible!
opaque hawk
Time to rename the worlds “meticulously optimized minimalist world”
vocal shard
sounds cozy
vast tulip
the closest world is "Blue: Literally 100% lag-free"
weary bison
I think "lag-free" is fair enough if you're specifically going for performance
vast tulip
to as lag free as a world can be
weary bison
"optimized" also works
umbral reef
Optimized isnt lagg free
vast tulip
I think any world using a click bait description is a bad thing. because then it starts to force everyone to put those words in their title and make them ugly
weary bison
problem is that people are more likely to search lag-free
umbral reef
Optimized just means they put effort into not having it cry worthy
Most popular worlds are optimized because they swapped heavy hitting scripts/shaders/other stuff
So all worlds should be optimized
opaque hawk
Did the newest update add world tags?
opaque hawk
Yeeeessssss
tacit plank
If we allow the trend of calling something "lag free" then it will escalate further
umbral reef
Free lagg world :^)
languid beacon
I thought the point of future proof publish was that you did not need to reupload if vrc ever upgraded their version of unity? If that is not the point what does future proof even do?
opaque hawk
Optimized
tacit plank
Not sure what it does, really. From my experience it just breaks uploads, or make them take 5 times longer
languid beacon
RIP Leg Free Box
weary bison
I'd say zealously enforcing the descriptions is fair enough, though that takes dev time
umbral reef
Fairly sure it just uploads more information so when something new gets added the odds are really big they can just use that file instead of you needing to reupload
But fairly unsure it would work for new unity versions as those are big changes
weary bison
box removed the lag-free mention
languid beacon
No no Leg Free Box. Entirely different. No one there has legs. CyanLaser made it
vast tulip
there should just be a filter for words that would be used as click bait. changes it to some other random word
weary bison
more leg-free worlds please
languid beacon
I should change the name of my not-ready-for-public worlds to “Free Lag”
vast tulip
a world with 10,000 cubes, all a unique material and 4 directional lights with high quality shadows
Free Lag Box
prime aspen
played Never Have I Ever last night. No lag. Now i go onto one of the worlds for it and no ones playing + lag or there is lag and i just cant play with it rip
shrewd cairn
Also I don't know if this is the case for public servers, I rarely venture outside of invite only and this mirror issue never used to occur and now occurs while I am completely alone in an invite only world using the same custom avatar I have used since day one with 0 custom particles, flat lit toon shader, and simple hand gestures that are not special at all. Also if it even matters I'm running a 1060 6gb (usually maxes at 83% to 90%), I7 8700K @4.99ghz Delidded and stress tested for 5.1ghz (usually maxes at 20% to 30%), 16gb of ram, and 990Mbps upload & 940Mbps download. Also this is with Steam VR Super sampling set down to 88% when 100 never used to drop anywhere near as many fps.
shrewd cairn
And again this is a mirror specific issue only
weary bison
ah, I see
tacit plank
"lag free" can either mean "without adding delay" or "without maxing our your hardware", they're very different
weary bison
might be the steamvr issue
shrewd cairn
30fps drop when mirror is activated no matter where, no matter when.
weary bison
have you tried different worlds?
shrewd cairn
many
tacit plank
Vive might freeze at 45 or 30 if it doesn't believe that you can get max frames, maybe it's related to that
weary bison
how long has this been happening?
shrewd cairn
since the update before today's update
tacit plank
Is your FPS stable or constantly changing a little bit?
pseudo basalt
Sounds like there should have been a longer beta
weary bison
haven't heard of other people having this issue
shrewd cairn
this again includes the stock "home" world and it is constantly changing between 61-85ish fps but when I aim at the mirror making the border appear it drops to solid 60-63fps
weary bison
it might be worth sending an email to support@vrchat.com
otherwise, make a post on the canny
shrewd cairn
I can make a video of the issue as well
tacit plank
Mirrors hit me much harder than cameras in VR. Sometimes I get like 2-3 FPS but that's because I run out of vram
weary bison
mirrors in videogames have always been pretty awkward
tidal aspen
dunno how mirrors work in game but I'd assume it's because it needs to render everything twice again with mirrors instead of once
weary bison
I used to get that kind of issue all the time back when I played altspace
thin salmon
this is me or the new update for vrchat take more time to load world and is not my connection because yesterday it was very fast and now it took almost 3 minute to load 85 mb
idle elm
These are the fanciest mirrors around. That's why they hit so hard
rigid crescent
I still don't quite understand why sometimes I have to download certain worlds and why sometimes they just insta-load
but that's not a patch related thing
paper cloak
If the map hasn't been updated since you last visited, and you haven't cleared your cache at all, it should load instantly. Otherwise you download it.
rigid crescent
Yeah, the map hasn't been updated (sometimes it's my home world), and I haven't cleared my cache
sweet yew
thanks tupper, very cool!
frail drift
man, as soon as i thought they where fixing the game.
sweet yew
great now i cant talk in the public lobby
vocal shard
are avatar audios are not working or is that just me
frail drift
they aren't
sweet yew
why does this happen to mEEEEEEEEEE
vocal shard
Not just you nah
frail drift
in most cases
vocal shard
the audio on all avatars are dead
rigid crescent
finally, a bug that doesn't really affect me
paper cloak
@rigid crescent if your cache is full it will redownload the world every time
rigid crescent
It isn't full, it's at 5GB
paper cloak
Maybe there's a maximum size for worlds separate from avatars
rigid crescent
that could be it, I'll check out the folder sizes next time it happens. I've noticed the same thing with avatars, but maybe that's the game loading them, not downloading them
frail drift
🤦
vast tulip
@vocal shard its not on all. the avatar audio on my avatars are fine
sterile drift
@vast tulip How many audio sources do you have on each avatar? I've devised that it seems to be any avatar with over 2 or 3 audio sources.
opaque hawk
Are the sounds on a empty game object mimi
sterile drift
Any of my avatars with under that amount seem to be okay.
vast tulip
yes im updated and I have 1 on my avatars from what I remember
sterile drift
Then that might be why yours work
vocal shard
interesting
sterile drift
It seems to happen with any of my friends as well that have more than 2 to 3
opaque hawk
I suspect mine may work but I won’t be able to test until later
vocal shard
this is going to be a very quiet vrchat day..
sterile drift
lol
Either that or very loud since everyone's gonna be complaining about their avatar audio.
vocal shard
true.
queen mango
True. I want avatar sounds back, dammit!
weary bison
it probably won't be long
unkempt cliff
Okay so my sounds work
unkempt cliff
If it has to do with onsp or whatever it was, none of my models actually have that so my sounds seem to work.
Only tested one avatar so far, let me test others
vocal shard
mine dont have it either
but my sounds are scuffed
all my sound is working
you guys obviously borked your models 
git gud 
inner cape
vocal shard
lol no wonder no one hires me
queen mango
Wut?
Those avatar sounds were working in the previous update
unkempt cliff
None of my models have been updated since the update today so idk if that has to do with anything. But yeah, my sounds are completely fine.
crimson terrace
Most of my sounds on my week to 2 week old avatars are borked as well was working right before the update
rugged vortex
Tupper stop tagging me reeeeeeeeeeee
median basalt
@sterile drift you
carmine nebula
Did the new update fix the friggen sounds on avatars or what
median basalt
Holy shit Eevee I think you might have just cracked the code?
inner cape
the opposite
distant flicker
the patch disabled linking
unkempt cliff
Okay, allow me to change what I said, some work, some don't. Still testing.
vocal shard
@median basalt what ?
odd prawn
The amount of sound sources?
vocal shard
more than 3 audios source = fucked sound apparently
unkempt cliff
Okay so on those working ones, they only had 1-2 audio sources and worked, some with more are fucked
cold talon
It's simple, if you use more than 0 audio sources they will break, so just use less than that. Should fix your problem
near saffron
Genius, wish I had thought of that
paper cloak
I've always had issues with more than 3 audio sources playing simultaneously, it just cuts out completely for me. Are you saying just having 3 period will break it, or trying to play all 3 at once?
unkempt cliff
3 period.
paper cloak
Oof
unkempt cliff
I think
frail drift
3 period seems like, my friend had almost 3 on every avatar working fine before this
cold talon
Finally someone who appreciates my geniusness
Wonder what went wrong to break all dem sounds
frail drift
nothing is perfect but the game in is current state. is far from it. i love the game. so many nice people. communities. etc but they need to fix this. i want this game to have a great future but it won't, if you know. this..
median basalt
I'm basing this on absolutely nothing, but I still think this was something they did to try and prevent people from bypassing some sort of limit. Even if that isn't a volume limit, it could be that they didn't want people to spawn so many audio sources that people's voices would break.
I'm pretty sure this outcome ain't intentional either
frail drift
i believe that, but still
median basalt
Now that we can point them into the right direction (having too many audio sources), let's wait for a fix.
unkempt cliff
Somehow things break despite being unrelated to what they actually did in the update.
median basalt
Yep
odd prawn
What troll within the dev team is pushing these untested updates through
weary bison
it's been in open beta for days
unkempt cliff
^
weary bison
no one reported the sound issue
vocal shard
elire did tho
queen mango
It's only notified, not reported
weary bison
the cause is identified and it's being worked on
remember to check the canny if there's any other weird stuff you notice
queen mango
Will do
surreal rover
you smell :)
near saffron
That’s a cruel bot
grim cairn
Hmmm
rigid crescent
the lore
surreal rover
you smell good that is
queen mango
The lore...
near saffron
Wholesome bot then
weary bison
the things people do with avatars can be really intricate and really diverse, so it's fairly normal for certain setups to be broken when patches go live
vocal shard
Are the sound/material animations still busted?
frail drift
yes,
weary bison
material animations broke?
rigid crescent
what, animations that swap materials?
frail drift
mhm. those are the ones
queen mango
Yep, that was broken too
The shield of the HolyMiko avatar doesn't load in gradually.
sterile drift
@weary bison Where would I post a video that I recorded showing some issues I've noticed? Apparently the devs won't accept any other form of evidence
queen mango
Plus, particle effects of the lance don't appear
sterile drift
This video does include material animations being broken
weary bison
@sterile drift in canny topics for each issue probably
sterile drift
Specifically material swap animations
queen mango
@sterile drift try the #user-support-old
sterile drift
Hm. I replied to a canny thread with the video
weary bison
that's more than good enough
queen mango
Oh... right...
sterile drift
More than good enough? You talking to me?
weary bison
yep, videos are great
sterile drift
Alright lemme like make a new canny showing the issues I assume are with avatar audio, if that isn't the case with the audio, I at least have proof of material swapping.
weary bison
alright
I'm about to go through all of today's canny posts, so I'll merge or move it if there's a better place for it
gilded valley
@sterile drift omg are you crunchii music extensions
triggering me so bad that i cant hear my sounds anymore >.<
queen mango
Man. this update brought out a lot of people here.
vital idol
i cannot enter vrchat
vocal shard
they are working on it
small wing
@vocal shard so you mean to say i shouldn't send a report in?
vocal shard
i mean you can
small wing
because i literally just came here to ask for the email about this
vocal shard
but they have said they are working on it
vocal shard
dude scroll up lol
elfin cloak
btw i'm not vr user
hard sparrow
#user-support-old full of it
opaque hawk
my audio seems to be working just fine. Was audio fixed in the update rollback?
modern sand
Avatar audio ?
opaque hawk
Yes
civic plume
what’s going on
sterile drift
Slow mode is annoying 
opaque hawk
Yes I understand it, but it works for me
modern sand
I don't think it's 100% of avatars though, so some might not experience it
civic plume
@sterile drift
sterile drift
No ping plox
civic plume
what’s going on in vrchat? is the audio broken?
sterile drift
@modern sand If I may be so bold
rigid crescent
sterile drift
I've noticed patterns, along with other people
opaque hawk
It may be working because I attached the audio to an empty game object instead of directly on the avatar
sterile drift
Avatars with over 3 audio sources have this issue
rigid crescent
oh its actually not there
sterile drift
Any with 3 and under are fine.
civic plume
@sturdy flume you can fix it you smart cookie :3
queen mango
Hmm... So it seems.
dry marsh
oh slow mode is enabled here to? i thought it was just the public lobby
opaque hawk
I'm going to see if I still have a test avatar with 5 audio sources
modern sand
Cool, that will help if it behaves like that consistently, i'll add that
opaque hawk
If that avatar still works then that is really worth noting
dry marsh
i got a few with audio sources, i can test if they work
sterile drift
Ruuubick, I also posted a video and linked it within a comment
On the canny post on Bug Reports
If that'll help as well
robust sentinel
not only are my audio sources not working, on some of my avatars, the entire animation is gone as well
sterile drift
Quality is like really bad though
queen mango
There are a lot of public avatars that have more than 3 audio sources.. Like the ones in Toga and Ikita's Avatar World.
There are some in those military avatar worlds and in Halloween maps, but I didn't look enough into those.
Well, time constraints
robust sentinel
audio sources in my friends world are also not working
subtle prawn
silk radish
just going to post this in here this really needs to be fixed
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/rigidbodies-with-colliders-on-avatars-broken
robust sentinel
vIrUs
gilded valley
any ETA on this stupid sound bug being fixed
dry marsh
... sound is working on my boulder avatar, time to check the others
sound is not working on my jurassic park avatar...
gilded valley
legit random if any of your models are broken
whats dumb too is if you have a spawn in sound effect, its broken in game but in the avatar menu it works
rigid crescent
I wonder what happens if you're running two clients of the game and someone tries to join on you while your two clients are in different worlds.
gilded valley
universal destruction
opaque hawk
I can confirm that a large number of audio sources breaks the game
subtle prawn
Hi
cloud sluice
hello
glass yacht
Making a public apology here to @modern sand and other staff of vr chat and the VRChat community as a whole for my less then professional and respectful attitude earlier, I offer no excuses and I accept that I was wrong, I apologize to all of you for my angry message about staff support, I made a big mistake and misread.. I failed
subtle prawn
modern sand
No worries 
placid umbra
S'all good
glass yacht
thanks : ( I am sorry , I was awful to you
supple python
oof hoping its just me thats experiencing super long load times on everything vrchat related
vocal shard
^^
glass yacht
Welcome Dathomir!, here is your complimentary Emergency eye and mind bleach kit ^,...,^
vocal shard
Lads, I don't think he's been inside yet
Quick! Before it's too late
STOP HIM
lol be nice guys xD
placid umbra
@supple python Was a small thing, should be all good now
mild lark
does anyone else with oculus notice some extreme lag with the new home system?
wheat moth
hey guys. anybody know where I might find a prefab of the dynmic video player?
sterile drift
@wheat moth OOF uhh
Sorry really late
I think Jetdog's prefabs has one
Lemme check
wheat moth
got it lol
wheat moth
yup
sterile drift
rare finch
Just wondering are there still moderators in vrchat or does it use a new system of trusted users reporting people?
sterile drift
@rare finch There very well are still moderators in VRChat, you just don't come across them very much since they're so spread out and such, large population and all.
Plus there are people who you don't expect to be on the moderation team so
rare finch
Ah okay
I also just now saw that I have to send email/report to them. I shall start it then I guess.
safe prism
and they can be invisible
opaque hawk
Just noticed that the menu was fixed if you have only one controller. Thank you
vocal shard
i have a problem with blend shapes for some reason
they work in unity right
but when i press the play button they lock and stop working
sterile drift
I... what? What're you trying to do? Also, #avatars-2-general
sterile drift
Are you using any overrides or are you testing them in Unity right now?
Like I mean
Are any of your gesture overrides or anything using the VRC blendshapes?
vocal shard
i put the animator as the overrider i use for the avatar for vrchat
playing on vrchat the visemes dont move
however
vocal shard
when i go into unity they work until i hit the play button
sterile drift
That doesn't answer my question
vocal shard
im guessing yes they are properties
sterile drift
If you're wondering why some visemes won't work in-game, that's probably why
How are you trying to test them exactly?
vocal shard
its not they dont work in game
they dont work when unity play button is hit
so not at all
sterile drift
But again what way are you trying to test them? Did you set up a whole animation to cycle through all of them at once?
I'm getting mixed signals on what you're trying to communicate to me
I'm understanding it's a problem with Unity and the play button now
But
From there I'm lost
fading wolf
lmao crashers that literally delete steam n shit
people are getting creative with scaring the users
queen mango
Hello there
rough flax
@fading wolf remember, crashers go around public worlds and can fry your GPU 
vocal shard
were?
compact river
Almost Canada the state
vocal shard
Im not rdy for the snow yet 😫
queen mango
Why hate the snow?
vocal shard
The first snow is fun and clean, but it's what comes after that we don't like. The cold wet slush that you can't play in. its just a wet mess that is painfully cold and is a annoying to constantly clear.
queen mango
That's around the start of spring, yes?
vocal shard
No, can be a couple days after the first snow
Then it can snow again, and have a fresh new layer... But the cycle repeats all winter
queen mango
If it regrows the grass, then I could live with that
queen mango
They haven't announced it yet
queen mango
Oh... Uhh.. why not go sightseeing, Aurora?
vocal shard
Because it’s 1:37 in the morning I can’t see anything lmao
vocal shard
Nah I only get 2 to 3 hours of sleep a day so I’m gonna finish sleeping and then check if vrc is fixed
queen mango
I see.
vocal shard
Yeah I barely get any sleep which is like super unhealthy but it’s all good
queen mango
Just try to sleep at like 9:30 PM, unless there are other things.
queen mango
vocal shard
My schedule rn is to sleep at ~9pm. Wake up at 12, and play till 3:30. Then sleep till 6
Lol
umbral reef
Once you get older you can't handle that shit anymore
queen mango
Oof.
umbral reef
Like 19 vs 14
Gotta get my 7 hours atleast vs no sleep needed for 48h
Also depends on what you do daily
queen mango
My schedule here is sleeping at around 9:00-11:00 PM, then wake up at either 5:00 AM or 7:00 AM, depending on the day
queen mango
And I have to prep for school during the weekdays. It starts at 7:00 AM
queen mango
But sometimes, if I fall asleep, like totally having the feeling of your eyes involuntarily closing, I sometimes wake up at around 2:30-3:00 AM
vocal shard
Damn
umbral reef
But trust me
Sleeping the right amount means yourmental and physical health get a lot better
vocal shard
Eh... Playing at 12-3 lets me meet up with my vrc friends from Australia and Philippines
Lol
umbral reef
Not with best husbando though
vocal shard
Oh, right. You're there too. Lol
Honestly physically I’m pretty ok mental not so much 😂
queen mango
That seems alarming.
umbral reef
Most teenagers are mentally not 100
queen mango
I have special concerns regarding Aurora as of now.
This topic got dark all too sudden
umbral reef
@vocal shard as someone who speak from experience
Eating healthy, cleaning your room, sporting and enough sleep is the way to get off the medication
vocal shard
Yikes
My bad
Also I’m a clean freak
^
The cleaning room thing is true. Didn't realize it as a teen, but it helps your mental stability
umbral reef
That's good at least
A clean room makes your mind rest better when relaxing
vocal shard
I clean the house all the damn time and I. Pretty sure I eat healthy 🤔
queen mango
Hmm... Dragonfruit and bananas?
vocal shard
And I used to play football until I got a back injury
I’m allergic to bananas fun fact
umbral reef
For walks
vocal shard
I'm allergic too 
umbral reef
Might sound stupid but being able to clear your mind and think about stuff is neat
vocal shard
Let go there
vocal shard
Ruubick isn't online...
O.o
queen mango
Well, unless someone else fills up this convo...
vocal shard
Lol
hasty wedge
wut kind of sounds
vocal shard
hasty wedge
quartz basin
Plugs el la behind
signal wren
vocal shard
is anyone else having to redownload everything after this update?
its like my vrchat cache moved/isn't being read
not at its 20gb cap yet, only 13.9gb atm
weary cypress
🤔
I have a question
I just merged my steam to my new vrchat account
Does it take time to migrate everything? o.o
vocal shard
Yeah, they said about an hour
weary cypress
My friend list doesn't show any offline friends and only show online onces , my favourite and stuff is gone
Ahh..
I was a bit worried there , i thought i lost everything XD
vocal shard
If it doesn't show after a while, email support@vrchat.com
weary cypress
Mhm, i will make a support email after 7 hours or so >.>
Thanks a bunch!
Im so glad they added this function, this is like dream come true where steam user can finally merge account and upload own avatar/worlds
vocal shard
Yeah, I used it and it worked well ^^
dire palm
@vocal shard had to redownload mine also
queen mango
hollow sluice
its odd if you hang around people long enough in the popular maps you find so many people that have crash mods lol
this guy was complaining that his logout thing was patched
vocal shard
go into some random public lag free box
guaranteed to get crashed
yoinked
or logged out
hollow sluice
what is yoinked
i only seen like crashing, logging out and people dropping portals
vocal shard
stealing your model
vital rune
vocal shard
It's a bug. They're working on fixing it
sage current
actually how will article 13 take effect on vrchat?
vocal shard
most likely that nothing will happen
sage current
but the mods and devs need to do something if they dont want to loose a lot of money!
its like if they dont have a upload filter they cant provide vrchat in europe
vocal shard
losing money how ?
the game is free 🤷
we don't know how they get money
they probably got it covered
vocal shard
oh no.
umbral reef
Article 13 wnt get true
Companies like google and coudfare just pull the plug for 24H and its gonna be the fastes 180 EU ever did
And the elections are also soon for the peeps in there- So plenty cna be yeeted out
sage current
It still would be funny to see what will happen if the vrchat streamers cant stream anymore. I mean they are streaming themselfs while theyre talking and they get money for this.
shadow wagon
is just me or after staying on a instance for a while it gets laggier?
vocal shard
probably true
the game have some memory leaks
i need to change instances every 1 to 2 hours
because it get too laggy
quartz basin
Because the game is still "early-access"
umbral reef
Eyo
Block what
That should work unless hey have a modified client
But even then it should work really...
Can try blokcing them from the social tab?
Or turn off there avatar fully and mute them 👀
vocal shard
you can block people from the website
i'm fairly sure you can also search for specific people in the social tab and block people from there
lost dagger
I'm officially coming back to VR chat sometime next week! I'm so excited to be headed back stateside. I hope to see you all soon! Keep it LIT
umbral reef
👏 Good job-
rough pulsar
Hell yeah
I missed being able to join off you and just getting dumped in the middle of a random dance-off.
lost dagger
I doubt that there are that many people that remember the good old days XD
sage current
is it humane that i dont want to pay 510 € for fullbody tracking?
vocal shard
no
sage current
and why?
umbral reef
Because its loads of money
sage current
yeah i know. but I asked if its humane if i dont want to. or did i misspelled "humane"? my english is trash.
wicked mirage
hey, don't know if this is the right channel to ask but I know that the steam account upgrade has been disabled now but what happens if someone is able to do it now, will account merging still happen?
umbral reef
Ow snap i read your msg wrong
Well its normal not wanting to spend that amount of money
Its turned on again they just forgot to announce it
umbral reef
They only posted it on there social media #server-status
vocal shard
@sage current 510€? I don't remember paying that much, where did you find those trackers?
I paid ~350€
sage current
woops forgot to mention that im oculus user and thinking about buying a vive lighthouse with the trackers.
sage current
I already have the Kinect v2 but it doesnt work that well.
I cant sit down, its just 180 degree tracking and so on.
vocal shard
Shame Occulus didn't release its own trackers
sage current
yeah
vocal shard
Are there any numbers of how many trackers were sold?
sage current
they gonna release a rift v2 2022 with hq kinect like tracking build in the sensors.
vocal shard
I'm pretty sure 99% of them were for VRChat or at least full body tracking.
sage current
yeah
vocal shard
The only other game I found that truly benefits from trackers is Thrill of the Fight, I would ruin my controllers if I played without them
rough pulsar
@hollow sluice You using a vrchat account or logged in via steam?
rough pulsar
Kinda. Steam logins can never go past Visitor. With the new account merging you'll be able to link to a full vrchat account.
hollow sluice
ooh nice
rough pulsar
Says in #server-status that it's being rolled out and you should see the option to link soon enough.
umbral reef
@rough pulsar also when will the #announcements also say stuff is okidoki with merging? As #server-status says it's ok to do
rough pulsar
Honestly, not sure. Tupper mainly seems to handle most system-related announcements here, but the server status pulls from the vrchat twitter and I don't know who manages that so there's likely to be some desync between them.
umbral reef
Well bully Tupper in your mod discord or what you have to update the discord 
lilac swan
The backend people seem to do the Twitter stuff, and if they say it's OK then I wouldn't worry
umbral reef
@lilac swan still nice if other peeps know they can do it
lilac swan
Tupper is merely a messenger
umbral reef
We had someone here earlier who asked about when they could do it even though it's fine
As well... The post does say they would update once it's fixed
vocal shard
@rough pulsar steam accounts can gain trust and rank up tho.
lilac swan
For now just refer people to the tweets until someone gets around to posting it in announcements
halcyon kestrel
Morning ppl
elfin cloak
good...someone without any problems
ah..i wish that i'm like that
gm ty 2
vocal shard
who ?
umbral reef
Lewd
sterile drift
What happens when you're not?
prisma tide
anybody having problems with audio on avatars ?
lilac swan
It's a known issue. Being worked on.
vocal shard
Literally fucking everyone mate
quartz basin
Remember that embarrassing thing you did back when you were a kid and wish you wouldn't remember?
prisma tide
i played shadow the hedgehog
inner cape
I don't
lilac swan
I bought pokemon channel
vocal shard
are the audiosources still not working?
vocal shard
anyone else feel weird with oculus rift moving the correct fingures and making fist etc. etc?
it really be like that sometimes
HTC vive was better in this case
glossy wharf
Gestures are a lot better on the oculus imo
the touchpads on the vive controller are the worst thing they could have possibly opted for
rough pulsar
Except they're not the worst thing when you consider why they went for touchpads in the first place.
glossy wharf
You'll get used to them, but i think they are a lot more intuitive
than the vives controls
Okay gall
enlighten me
why would you opt for low quality touchpads that break easily
rough pulsar
In Valve's early tests with VR they found artificial locomotion made people feel a bit nasty, which is what pushed them towards roomscale. Touchpads on the controls are a component of that decision, as moving the world around you wasn't a thing they did at that time.
The poor construction is entirely on HTC
rough pulsar
Did you not just read what I said
glossy wharf
I did
i dont see how a analog stick cant do the same thing though
this honestly just sounds like a really poor excuse
rough pulsar
An analog stick can't divide itself up into multiple buttons or take gestures quite the same way as trackpads
glossy wharf
I mean
the way it takes gestures is trash, so another way of tracking the gestures would have been a lot more appreciated
see oculus controllers
they just didnt want to change the crappy design of their controllers
rough pulsar
That's not valve's problem, that's VRChat's.
glossy wharf
any swinging might get you to activate the menu button
the touchpads are unintuitive in many other games aswell
vocal shard
i dont like the touchpad from HTC Vive controllers because sometimes if u turn, u make gestures
winter laurel
Hey guys, I just woke up, have they gotten any progress with the audio stuff?
glossy wharf
many games opt to not use them for anything other than moevement at all
exactly
what ivy says
its unintuitive
umbral reef
@winter laurel nah
vocal shard
thats why i switched to oculus
glossy wharf
it just mixes stuff up and you accidentally use gestures or functions that are on the buttons
especially in vr where fast paced stuff tends to happen a lot
inner cape
Muh immersion
glossy wharf
you acidentally press stuff way too much on those crappy laptop trackpads
and not planning in world movement
is just a really poor excuse
you plan to make vr for gaming
world movement is part of 99.9% of games
vocal shard
i also had Full body tracking for vive half a year ago, it doesnt worked well with my room because i have an closet with fcking mirror
a big closet xd
rough pulsar
I'm not trying to argue that they're perfect and don't need fixing. I was explaining why Valve decided on them because at the time they made sense.
VR has changed a fair bit since then, so it makes sense that they no longer feel as suitable.
vocal shard
i sent everything back, bought an oculus
glossy wharf
I mean
vocal shard
how stupid will it look when friends come over
prisma tide
you could
glossy wharf
the decision doesnt make sense though
like how can you not plan in world movement for a gaming oriented vr solution
because if valve works on it their primary focus is obviously on gaming
prisma tide
i have a big comforter over my mirror lel
vocal shard
im using 3 way sensor setup for oculus rn and it works much better then htc vive in my oppinion, i had alot of issues with HTC vive in my room
rough pulsar
Because world movement made testers feel sick and they didn't expect people to be able to overcome it.
rough pulsar
Also note that Valve's approach to VR is experimental. They're trying shit and seeing what works.
inner cape
That's why they release a super expensive vr that needs a lot to be bought on top
I see
Experimental
vocal shard
we can be happy that VR works well with oculus and vive, imagine we dont have a vr headset to play with , would be boring
prisma tide
thats how new things work
inner cape
Vrchat wouldn't exist without them so yeah
vocal shard
yup
prisma tide
at first expensive
lilac swan
Just like PCs when they first came out. They're way too expensive for anyone to get, they'll never catch on! 🙃
glossy wharf
except technical revolutions are catching on much faster now
quartz basin
Are you kidding? Hardware prices for PC parts are going up again thanks to RAM price fixing and bitcoin insanity
median basalt
Yeah, PC's are actually getting more expensive than before now
halcyon kestrel
Zarniwoop nice pfp
glossy wharf
Yes they get more expensive because of the high demand
and ram prices mostly because memory modules get bought a shit ton by mobile phone producers aswell
which drives up memory prices in general
median basalt
I heard it was lower supply as well
RAM spiked a while ago due to some natural disaster
vale burrow
1060 didn't really drop despite the new gen did it?
tacit plank
People got motion sick when testing VR?
First time I tried it went fine. Played for about 2 hours too
Felt slightly motion sick when doing wheelies on that bike map, but that's it really
vocal shard
Thank you Caffeine, very cool
tacit plank
Is everything tested by old people?
I bet this is why videogames aren't very colorful anymore either. Same with webpages. I guess anything but grey hurts peoples eyes lol
rough flax
@tacit plank Low fps, first time users, smooth turning off, flashing colors, movement like roller coasters is what makes people sick.
tacit plank
Testers should have proper hardware, right? And I was a first time user too, no issues.
And they were discussing regular world movement I think
Not sure what smooth turning is, but I guess it could be a factor
median basalt
Testers like those is why it took 2-3 years to get smooth movement in VR games
rough flax
I forgot what exactly it's called, but when you turn left or right, it turns you like 20 deg instantly every half second instead of turning in a smooth motion 20deg every second.
median basalt
And even then a lot of games still cling to snap turn
@tacit plank smooth turning is what VRC does for turning. Tilt stick left, turn left until you release the stick. Basically controller controls.
Rather than snapping 45 degrees to the left/right
People asked the Compound dev for smooth turn, instead what we got is snap turning with a "smoothing" option
tacit plank
That sounds horrible. That's only when pressing buttons though right? If regular head movement was snapped to a grid, no wonder people had issues with it
median basalt
Yeah, that's only for the button press turning
Snap turn makes me nauseous
But the smooth turning in this game is pretty bad
You always turn at the same speed regardless of how far you tilt the stick, but the turn speed is also framerate-dependent
glossy wharf
@vale burrow idk why people still think the previous gen drops in price, its usually the opposite.
Its been like that for at least the last 4 gens
vale burrow
Because stores usually try to get them out to make room for the next gen.
It might not be true for the original sources, but the distributors usually have some sales going on.
Uhm, sometimes at least
glossy wharf
Except they dont
Stores usually keep them as backup
Or sell them in their online Stores
backup mostly for people who can still rma
and shit
vale burrow
Okay but the 980 for example went for 240 € here when the 10XX generation hit
That's been a while now but Nvidia wise it's the most recent example
glossy wharf
yeah the highest ones of the gen usually drop a bit because the people that buy high end hardware will shell out more for the new gen
so its no use to keep them on the same price
vale burrow
Makes sense, I just hoped to maybe grab a cheap second 1060 but that ain't happening
rough flax
There's literally every reason
glossy wharf
Name one reason
for gaming
in other scenarios yes
actually only for rendering and 3d stuff
apart from that nearly no application supports sli
its got way too low of a distribution to be even considered by most devs
vale burrow
To not hit GPU bottlenecks, is what I thought
I didn't look into it but if the price had dropped I may have considered it.
glossy wharf
then just save up for a higher end card instead
youre gonna get more out of it
and you may even be able to sell your 1060 afterwards to get some cash back
vale burrow
Hadn't actually thought of selling it, that's a valid point lol
glossy wharf
Yup
its generally a better idea to get a higher end gpu than sli
most games dont support sli or even break completely with SLI
so a higher end gpu will give you a better performance boost
vale burrow
I just needed to get more FPS for them insane fallout 76 speedhacks /s
tacit plank
Avatar sounds seem to work if they don't have a lot of sound sources?
glossy wharf
@tacit plank we already established that yesterday
2 sources is fine
anything above breaks
gritty cliff
hello
anyone wanna play sum vrchat ?
i dont have vr equipment cuz portugal is not capable of having it on the frikin stores
tacit plank
Oh, I hadn't seen anyone else mention it, so I'd report it just in case
rough pulsar
Dual GPUs is great if you do stuff that runs really well on them, like rendering image processing or sometimes video encoding.
Otherwise not much benefit to them.
Same with >8 core processors, good for tasks that can be run in parallel.
Like things that aren't vrchat. :B
quartz basin
By that time you should just stop playing games altogether.
vocal shard
anyone know how to disable the lense on the Stream Camera so noone will see it on obs?
lethal cedar
hey so i found a used 1060 for 209€ and it still has some warranty left what do you think?
cosmic harness
i have a 1060 and it plays great
lethal cedar
nice im just always afraid that if i buy something online and pay that they wont send it to me :c
vocal shard
I use a 1060
rough flax
For people that have 4k 120hz monitors. @glossy wharf
cosmic harness
i do believe a 1060 is a go to gpu for vr
glossy wharf
@rough flax so no one got it
vocal shard
1060 is the most popular used gpu for vr according to steam charts
cosmic harness
noice
vocal shard
Hard to say, I'd be more eager to buy second-hand if it wasn't for all the crypto craze 🤔
lethal cedar
wym
cosmic harness
@lethal cedar whats the ram on it?
vocal shard
Mine is the 3gb
lethal cedar
it has 3 gb ram
cosmic harness
am i the only one with 6gb vram?
lethal cedar
from asus
cosmic harness
well then
vocal shard
No, 6gb is the higher 1060. They have both 3gb and 6gb
@lethal cedar I'm a layman, but if it was used for mining, then it was used more than your average gamer would
lethal cedar
is that bad?
cosmic harness
my gpu is a evga
lethal cedar
like will it be slower or what
rough flax
1060 almost maxes out bf1 at 1440p with 64 players, meanwhile it struggles to render a flat plane with 1 directional light.
lethal cedar
also the brand doesnt really matter right? 1060 is always the same performance wise?
vocal shard
Nah, just it might last shorter than you expect it to
cosmic harness
the 1060 is capable of gta v on max graphics with no drops
lethal cedar
how much is "shorter"
rough flax
@cosmic harness are you playing on a 1060 from the future? Hell no it can't.
vocal shard
Well, I'm mostly speaking out of my ass and in general, so I won't give you any solid data.
I use the 3gb 1060 in vr fine ^^
Vrchat is a bit more straining than other vr games, but setting the graphics to low makes it work decent
rough flax
@glossy wharf I had 2 580's in sli back in the day, that's how I was able to max bf4 except for AA cause I hit the vram limit
vocal shard
I had one GPU die on me, it wasn't used for mining, it lasted... uhh.. 8 years?
lethal cedar
ohh so its still really long right
rough pulsar
I had a 1080 burn out half its VRAM once, that was fun.
cosmic harness
my personal computer has a 960 but a shit cpu
vocal shard
Yeah, I mean, if you're lucky it will probably last until you'd want to upgrade it
cosmic harness
it... cant.... play youtube on chrome
lethal cedar
i hope that if i buy it i will get it
idk im really anxious buying stuff on the internet
cosmic harness
well all of my purchases on ebay went well
lethal cedar
good
cosmic harness
it might be where i get a leap motion
lethal cedar
also i dont have a credit card how do i ppay?
cosmic harness
since im in uk, their website uses euros
lethal cedar
ok but how can i pay without a credit card?
umbral reef
Why would you get leap motion though
umbral reef
Well glad finding any game that properly supports stuff like that
cosmic harness
i aint getting knuckles any time soon
lethal cedar
also its weird but how can you point with different fingers in vrchat?
gleaming patio
i think for me knux are a day1
cosmic harness
well people have made drivers on steam vr that supports leap
vocal shard
Waifu Sex Simulator does ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
umbral reef
There is gamewave for desktop stuff... But we'll, the videos look better then the real deal
cosmic harness
yeah and?
lethal cedar
pls answer me :c
cosmic harness
im not waiting for that new rift with hand tracking
umbral reef
@lethal cedar pre set stuff
Same as the f1-f8 button stuff but then mapped on a controler
vocal shard
The touch is good as it is tho...
modern sand
You'd have to make custom gestures @lethal cedar
lethal cedar
does it work with buttons?
cosmic harness
well
lethal cedar
like are there so many or?
vocal shard
Depends what controllers you're using
cosmic harness
what you use for vrc?
gleaming patio
i wonder if vrc will be going for skeletal input
umbral reef
Google the mapping of vrc controller of vrchat
Might explain it better
cosmic harness
i hope so
cosmic harness
on vive i do believe you use the track pad for actions
gleaming patio
there's a pic of the vrchat mapping in #avatars-2-general
cosmic harness
so make diffrent fingers on unity a action
gleaming patio
check the pins
cosmic harness
yes im right
vocal shard
cosmic harness
i knew it was track pad for actions
vocal shard
Vive and wmr you use the track pad.
lethal cedar
thank you
gleaming patio
ouch what the feck
cosmic harness
plus someone made a driver in steam vr that added a custom profile for vrc so if I do the hand action it does it in game
with the leap motion
lethal cedar
i honestly cant wait until i have my gpu and everything c:
gleaming patio
the oculus touch does seem a lot more involved
lethal cedar
ok
vocal shard
I like the touch
lethal cedar
@ me i will read it larter i need to do something rn sorry :c
cosmic harness
before i had vr i used a tv for a monitor since the old one was terrible
vocal shard
wish I had it
cosmic harness
so when we went to scan to collect the rift and gpu
vocal shard
Do I need a degree to use WMR or Oculus Touch? Wow.
cosmic harness
we went home to start setting it up
gleaming patio
yeah you need a degree for the oculus touch
cosmic harness
thing is tho
vocal shard
Wmr is the same as vive controls
gleaming patio
i like how the knuckles will just have a damn stick
cosmic harness
the tv wouldnt work with the rift
lethal cedar
https://www.amazon.de/OCULUS-Germany-301-00095-01-Oculus-Bundle/dp/B073X8N1YW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541609365&sr=8-1&keywords=HTC+Vive also does this work fine? why does it cost less?
cosmic harness
depends
vocal shard
If you're gonna be buying stuff, I'd say wait for Black friday
gleaming patio
the knuckles will probably import the same kind of gesture controls as the touch then prob?
gleaming patio
and add on top the skeletal input maybe? 😉
lethal cedar
the other htc cost more than this
cosmic harness
nothing really
vocal shard
Because different companies...
cosmic harness
the vrchat devs can import skeletal input any time
lethal cedar
ohh ok but they work just the saaame
gleaming patio
yeah but does it work with the ancient unity version?
cosmic harness
maybe
empty wharf
Trust that the mods are ready to implement Vr tech into a Vr game
vocal shard
Prices usually go up from wmr, rift, and vive... but the experience is usually close and to preference
lethal cedar
thanks for your help youre awesome c: