I guess it just spams a fuck ton of RPC calls
#vrchat-general-2
vernal jacinth
woven stone
"hey we have that thing on your PC which you can fuck with everyone, could you not abuse that"
quartz osprey
new user rank (10k poly limit (no media assets or animations)> User (20K polylimit(no media assets or animations) etc >>> highest rank(200k poly limit (all assets allowed)
rigid crescent
poly limit isn't enforced
gleaming patio
inb4 vrchat gets some korean anti-hack tool
like nProtect if anyone remembers that
woven stone
just get some koreans
vocal shard
200k poly limit ... what in tarnation....
vernal jacinth
you think poly limit is a problem?
woven stone
as mods taht run around 24/7
rigid crescent
that too
compact river
I dont want trusted users to have that much
tacit plank
Poly limit shouldn't be enforced, nobody wants to decimate below 20k
vocal shard
so many clueless brags here
gleaming patio
a 64k limit should be there though
tacit plank
And anything above 64k is just bad period
rigid crescent
200k poly limit, seems like a suggestion from someone who doesn't make avatars
gleaming patio
64Ki more like
umbral reef
@quartz osprey You honestly are joking or dont understand how unity handles polygons
woven stone
That moment when I use a 19k model because I play by the rules
compact river
Splits in unity no point over 64k ya
vernal jacinth
yeah that was just stupid
gleaming patio
65536 polys lol
compact river
^
vocal shard
it's tris kids ... jfc
tacit plank
And anti-hacks doesn't help at all. You can bypass Steam's VAC using Cheat Engine and a console message
quartz osprey
it splits at 64k yea but it gives no issues in VRC up to a 200k avatar (tested it in 15 user great pub world)
tacit plank
sv_cheats 34948 in SP. Freeze the value. Join MP.
Idk if it was fixed as I haven't played counter strike source since about 2015. But it worked back then
If all 15 users use 200k, then it's a problem though
vernal jacinth
99% sure it's patched that just seems too easy to do
gleaming patio
afaik above 64k it's just another draw call?
umbral reef
Its still honest to fucking dumb to add that limit IMO
It would not add anything towards getting users to optimize and would just cause the main part of the community to optimize there stuff even worse
modern sand
@quartz osprey I'd suggest not admitting to bypassing SDK limits in the main channel of the discord 
gleaming patio
if your amount of materials is sane then it wouldnt be that crazy
rigid crescent
was it a test of 200k poly with 94 dynamic bones, cloth physics on a skirt (with 2 to 4 colliders, of course), and 42 materials?
or did you just make a 200k poly ball and roll around?
woven stone
What if everyone uses 200k avatars
tacit plank
And you likely tested on Desktop mode. VR users might not even get 90 FPS in an empty room, they absolutely won't appreciate 200k poly avatars in the pug
umbral reef
The thing we need is a higher poly cap-
A clientside check for the higher cap
A material cap so users combine them and something that works for dynamic bones or atleast force users to take a class on how that stuff works :^)
woven stone
think abuot big lobbys lol
gleaming patio
i'd like forcing people to take a class
rigid crescent
"VR users might not even get 90 FPS in an empty room" damn, i try not to think about this sometimes lol
umbral reef
That would go far imo 🤷
gleaming patio
yeah but it would be funny
woven stone
just hard force the 20k limit and if the devs feel like it is necessary let THEM increase the SDK limits
rigid crescent
You don't need a class lol We can't even get an official video on this shit
warped thorn
Please don't make a 1M tri ball. There's nothing funny about it.
umbral reef
I get 90 FPS in the spawn room with two semi optimized avatars 
Am i cool yet
vernal jacinth
do I hear a crasher
placid umbra
Just to chime in, even 64k is a really high limit when it comes to content produced to be optimized. There are loads of avatars that look amazing that are under 20k, because the model creator designed them with polycount in mind. Most MMD models are made with no real regard to optimization, because they're meant for videos and not real-time use.
rigid crescent
Some official videos on optimization and whatnot would be nice. A lot of people don't know the effect of dynamic bones/colliders/cloth physics
subtle prawn
Updated videos
rigid crescent
they just think "oh this looks cool". I get that we should learn this stuff on our own, but something official would be nice
subtle prawn
Get rid of the old crap floating around on youtube
rigid crescent
i didn't even know dynamic bones mattered til like a month ago
compact river
Why is the 20k not hard inforced? Just wonding
woven stone
A lot of our Hoppous have 19k or less polys and we try to optimize, but they still look really cool
tacit plank
Most avatars that you find online are just impossible to get below 20k while still looking decent. A lot of people will be angry if the 20k limit is enforced. They will use whatever they already uploaded, or quit the game
vocal shard
there's enough ways to make a 1m tri mesh and not have it lag anyone ... please don't talk about things you know nothing about
woven stone
yes same, why is the SDK limit not hard forcedß
compact river
Because as it is it only rewards those who edit the sdk
vernal jacinth
true @vocal shard
compact river
I find it kind of silly
gleaming patio
@compact river it would mean their server has to download the unity asset packages from aws and sift through them
umbral reef
@placid umbra Have still to find an MMD that i cant decimate manually to below 50K
Even if it started out as a 250K avatar
And i mainly just do that and then manually fix up stuff
gleaming patio
with incurs more delay until your avatar is usable
dunno, maybe it'd turn into an actual wait time
tacit plank
Most you can get to 30-40k while still looking decent
gleaming patio
like "your avatar will be ready in 10 minutes" lel
umbral reef
Also- We still have animations without those same limites
And a large part of the objects/weapons/tools non self made go without a problem over the 20K mark...
vocal shard
tris are not the problem, people talking and sharing exploits is why there's a wave of annoying shit happening right now that needs to be fixed
gleaming patio
it's certainly possible
tacit plank
Most you find online can't get below 20k while looking good
gleaming patio
20k can look very decent
placid umbra
That said, dynamic bones (and especially colliders) are really, really, really bad.
umbral reef
Well the people bypassing the stuff is bad- Upping or lowering the polycount wont change anything unless peeps cant do anything to abuse it
tacit plank
You probably can on yours, but how long did you spend developing it?
rigid crescent
Yeah but where does it say that Aev?
woven stone
I want Security > Optimization
umbral reef
shudders Dynamic bone on the root of a avatar with colliders that are always active
rigid crescent
I feel like it would take a few hours tops to drop a few simple videos on optimization. How and why it matters, and how to better do it.
woven stone
lagging = block the avatar of the user that causes lags
tacit plank
I don't want to spend hours decimating a model, because half the time it won't work in VRChat anyways
woven stone
Crash = fuck me
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Users still have to watch that stuff then
tacit plank
And yeah, I think security is more important
rigid crescent
most people don't even have that option though
placid umbra
I don't think that's exactly a fair estimate for the work to make good videos, but more education on making performant avatars would be cool for sure.
umbral reef
But indeed- Would be aweomse to have like a 'how to optimize' tutorial series that goes into detail on why
vernal jacinth
Like when I first got VRChat
I learned everything on my own pretty much expect 1 friend that told me a little bit of info
rigid crescent
When I say "Wait you have how many dynamic bones?....." everyone is always surrpised when i explain to them how much colliders/cloth/dynamics hurt
covert chasm
@rigid crescent Exposure is the tough part. Just making videos isn't great, people have to find a good way to find them. Also, the worst dynbones offenders tend to be public pedestals, which amplifies the problem. For this very moment, organic/word of mouth is the best option
vocal shard
the bottom line is people make things designed to ruin someone else's experience, how they do it is less important or interesting to be discussed, that should go to the devs
gleaming patio
honestly, it's easy to be surprised when you consider how much collision detection you could do if you coded it all bare
rigid crescent
~~maybe yeet a few more of those worlds then ❤ ~~
gleaming patio
and how hard vrchat suffers from it
umbral reef
Having a strickt rule for avatar pedastels would be dope
covert chasm
Not a permanent solution, sadly, world reviews are a massive timesink
quartz osprey
the sdk needs some more and better hidden checks before anything can be uploaded (not just armature checks and poly count,but also materials count and scripts)
covert chasm
maaaaaassive
rigid crescent
Exactly, I'm still learning most of what i know how to do, which is very basic even now, through videos and google searches on my own, but none of those things at all told me how much the dynamics/colliders/cloth hurts
tacit plank
A lot of optimization is really easy (merging meshes and textures, basic decimation) while the rest is difficult (atlas baking, advanced decimation techniques, using the right shaders for the right things)
It's fine if you expect users to make decent avatars, but most don't have to skills to make them great or perfect
vernal jacinth
Right
covert chasm
Its pretty tough, we're basically having to teach thousands of amateur gamedevs about frame timing, CPU time, etc
vocal shard
there's still worlds being approved with 30fps at spawn and a full size miror you can't toggle
gleaming patio
i still believe it could be a lot more performant
rigid crescent
Didn't know how to UV Map? Google UV Map. Didn't know basic blender commands? googled them
quartz osprey
dynamic bone tutorials for vrc right now are a pain (5 minute vid no commentary (come on)
covert chasm
but yeah, we're aware of the issue and working on various angles for a solution
vernal jacinth
Yet you have these idiots who get a model, slap shaders and a crash on it and ear rape animations and go around thinking that makes the game fun.
woven stone
Make Avatar uploads and world uploads a premium one time payment for upload rights.
You pay for upload rights, you guys get money to have the ability to hire some more people to check uploaded worlds and avatars
someone fucks around and gets banned?
goodbye upload rights
win win
vocal shard
Still trying to convince my friend that no, covering your entire model is colliders is not how to make an avatar. They've convinced that dyna bones and colliders have barely any effect on performance because their friend told them that's the case.
woven stone
let the hackers pay the game
placid umbra
tacit plank
A good temp. solution would be a warning in the SDK I feel. You can always enforce them later
ebon crest
vocal shard
worlds where the thumbnail is a cool picture they put on a wall of a bare bones box with a table and a chair 🤔
foggy mountain
vocal shard
jebaited
tacit plank
Due to the Polygon warning, a lot of people actively think about how many polygons they're using, so it works. Problem is that people outside of this chat don't know that you should merge your meshes
vocal shard
you can't really enforce that in the sdk, a lot of eyecandy stuff and props effects use separate meshes
you don't want to flush away the baby with the bathwater
tacit plank
You can merge them in Blender instead of Unity, fixed
But as a start, they should probably make the limit 4 or 5 meshes
Then you can have your hats and swords, but you can't seperate by loose parts and upload it
subtle prawn
covert chasm
Props can easily be done as a shapekey rather than a separate object, arguably with less effort than doing it in Unity
queen mango
Is Blender available for free?
quartz osprey
arghhh don't say seperate by loose parts (last model i used that on resulted in over 910 meshes)
queen mango
I see
vocal shard
don't work on the sdk, work on the mentality and ban everyone who doesn't want people to have fun
compact river
Lol holy
woven stone
hard enforce the SDK limits and ban anyone who does anything that goes remotely against the rules
umbral reef
Waiti noticed free and beer in the same sentence- Whats up
compact river
900+ nani
neon flume
This avatar performance border indicator is a pretty neat solution. It lets the community get a better idea of the performance of the avatar. I could imagine friends pressuring each other to merge meshes, atlas their avatars, and maybe not fill their arms with dynamic bone colliders. https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/avatar-performance-border-indicator
compact river
Dont even need to ban just make it red guy
tacit plank
If you want to ban everyone who breaks the rules you're one of the people who don't want others to have fun. There's a balance
compact river
That way thr whole player base is not ban 😂
vocal shard
just pitch their voice up two octaves 😂
gleaming patio
heh maybe have a performance meter be part of the options
"only show avatars up to <green, yellow, red> performance"
neon flume
Yeah, its great because we would have an organic way of encouraging everyone to work towards more optimized avatars while still keeping the existing set of avatars.
tacit plank
Some rules should be broken.. No swearing? If I'm around my friends and we're all fine with it, why should we be punished for swearing?
gleaming patio
if you want everyone to see your avatar, better optimize?
vocal shard
isn't that already a thing?
compact river
quartz osprey
@compact river yea... was a trico model from the last guardian (wanted to make a small version as a pet and tried to seperate by parts for decimating the 700k poly model(stupid physics based fur planes)
queen mango
Spending time in Blender makes you drunk, I suppose?
tacit plank
Discord rules pretty much says you can't swear much, and the ToS says that you can't say anything at all if anyone else could find it offensive
gleaming patio
this goes against my personal belief in technology, i'm offended
queen mango
Don't we have phones and watches to keep track?
compact river
If you grt really into it
tacit plank
And 50% of avatars have visible panties from the perspective of lolis, so that is technically a bad thing, but if users are fine with it there's no harm done
woven stone
@tacit plank swearing is not a bannable offense in itself
queen mango
It could be, if it is connected to a more sensitive topic.
woven stone
its clearly stated banter is allowed, its hatespeech that is not allowed
tacit plank
Depends which mod you're around I think. Most swears are sexual or offensive in one way or another
compact river
Now having a lewd base and not painting panties will cause problems
quartz osprey
starts messing with model on Wednesday at 8am... check time after a while (Thursday 7:59am)
queen mango
@compact river Definitely.
tacit plank
Lewd is subjective
woven stone
if it has nipples and other things
queen mango
Oh yes, you're right.
indigo fern
ankles are lewd
compact river
I seen people do it b4 and they dont notice 😂
woven stone
I saw a knuckles with a huge ass schlong dong running around the pug getting chased by a futa girl, PUBLIC PUG
queen mango
They weren't reported for it
woven stone
but I rather have knuckles with schlong dongs running around than dealing with toxic crashes/seizure inducing animations tbh
vocal shard
Yep
compact river
True
woven stone
last gaia night I was in was just blinking in pink and yellow
tacit plank
Nekomasu (popular virtual youtuber) made two avatars, one where a small circle is painted over the nipples to censor them, and another one which uses a thin piece of paper for panties (which doesn't move with the avatar correctly)
No NSFW geometry though
gleaming patio
schlong dong silver
queen mango
gleaming patio
zawaaruudooo
queen mango
Now, don't make this chat a meme.
woven stone
Mind you I have everythin turned off for everyone but friends, only voice and avatars, thats it
tepid spindle
saftey mode
gleaming patio
insane
tacit plank
I guess my point is, rules are there to make sure everybody is enjoying themselves
woven stone
or that one guy that literally was able to talk through everyones mic in the whole world 👍
break the rules, get hammered
if you can't play by the rules you need to be held accountable
queen mango
@woven stone You mean the Shift+Escape keys, yes?
tacit plank
I disagree
queen mango
Strange... It always works
tepid spindle
never fails
tacit plank
If a rule is broken but everybody is enjoying themselves, then banning anyone would be wrong
woven stone
you disagree that if you break a law, that you shouldn't be held accountable because "ITS FOR THE LULZ"
its not wrong
your mindset is wrong
if you like it, but someone else disliked it, you have to go by the person that disliked it. you cant just run around and take everything
rules are there to NOT be broken
why is that so hard to do?
quartz osprey
Broken World screen shader maybe @woven stone ... this is so far the only thing i know that can mess with the menu
gleaming patio
for me, rules are agreed in a group by the highest common denominator (in strictness)
tacit plank
If you follow fules for the sake of following rules, you're using them wrong
woven stone
@quartz osprey i know multiple ways to mess with the menu and disable the panic button, please
queen mango
Memories of that lewd dance coming back
gleaming patio
if most of the group wants to goo for a lower strictness, they have to probably remove the people who want more strictness... it's not a country, it's a private circle
woven stone
@tacit plank if you break the rules, for the sake of having fun, you are the one ruining the fun for others
vocal shard
@quartz osprey everything has a material, so everything can do that
subtle prawn
oof, I hope people are obeying the rules of MMD models then
tepid spindle
queen mango
Some do, others might not be aware of it
gleaming patio
did you try sharing those ways with the vrc staff
gleaming patio
so they maybe become fixed
woven stone
I think you need to read the loading screen a bit more
tacit plank
The difference between hate speech and banter is how the reciever feels about it
vocal shard
there's a lot of stuff that can't and never will be 'fixed' .. people have to stop being assholes or get banned from playing
vocal shard
take out voicecomms because people scream obscenities?
woven stone
if you run around and tell it to randoms you need to be aware that some people will definetly see it as attack
what is so hard to understand, nobody cares what friends talk to eachother as long as you don't force it upon randoms around you
lol
tacit plank
Humping somebody who enjoys it is also fine I think, but I doubt that's allowed by the rules
gleaming patio
@tacit plank this has become a problem though
do you know how the receiver feels right now?
vernal jacinth
plz don't vrhump me
tacit plank
If it's a friend, sure
umbral reef
tacit plank
If it's a random person, harder to judge
For once I feel that this is actually related to VRChat, Oclac
vocal shard
I have an idea: maybe not use the F word in a public world ....
gleaming patio
right, but even friends can "turn on you" in that way
tacit plank
Technically
woven stone
then dont do something a random person in VRC might think is offensive
vocal shard
how hard is that?
queen mango
Don't wanna get Ruuubwhipped here. Move to random chat?
woven stone
also I mostly block people i find annoying
gleaming patio
i too think this is pretty relevant to vrchat - how to talk to people ingame
vocal shard
ruin your rep and lose your chance to play, it's pretty fair
woven stone
the button is there for a reason, just deal with the fact if you get blocked for saying something stupid
tacit plank
They weren't very good examples, but I'm trying to say that if there's no victims, then there is no crime, even if you did something against the ToS or whatever
gleaming patio
except the service provider can still kick you off their service if they feel like it
tacit plank
And everybody I know says "fuck" a lot
woven stone
FUCK isnt banned in itself...
vocal shard
the rules are pretty clear and pretty lenient
woven stone
yes, they even say in the loading screen, if you go overboard you might get blocked
gleaming patio
saying curse words in itself isn't problematic, personally insulting people is
woven stone
NOT BANNED
vocal shard
but if you go out of your way to harass people, just leave
tacit plank
Technically, Tupper is not allowed to upload Cirno because he doesn't own Touhou or whatever
woven stone
Bruh
are you just arguing for the sake of arguing
like damn
its aight, we went a bit offtopic imo
tacit plank
I'm saying that technically, nothing is allowed, so we should use our own judgement
vocal shard
don't worry about tupper, worry about you and your friends
rigid crescent
actually
gleaming patio
nothing is true, everything is permitted amiright
woven stone
True, I rather have people say stupid shit in every corner than having to deal with crashes or clients that are modified 🤷
rigid crescent
zun is VERY chill when it comes to Touhou
gleaming patio
you also cant block people who completely rip apart your screen with shaders
rigid crescent
The Cirno argument is a pretty moot one
woven stone
Fullscreen shaders in itself are cancer
tacit plank
And if you complain to them, they votekick you lol
vocal shard
ofcourse you can block people with annoying shaders
umbral reef
Also Caff that aint how copyright works at all
woven stone
not if your menu is gone
gleaming patio
^
tacit plank
I'm pretty sure that's what the ToS says
gleaming patio
also even if it isn't
tacit plank
Don't upload things that you don't have the rights to
gleaming patio
how do you determine who is the source of the shader?
tacit plank
But of course, nobody follows that rule
queen mango
Because... It's freemodding season
umbral reef
All touhou things call under a creative commense license though 👏
gleaming patio
when choosing models, specifically look into their readme... if they say free for any non commercial use, i'd say go ahead
rigid crescent
Zun will literally roll up like "haha nice Cirno avatar bro!" and pat Tupper on the butt
queen mango
Speaking of Touhou, there is a map called Touhou Metro
umbral reef
What means the stuff cna he shared and transformed in plenty of ways but not claimed as there own
rigid crescent
he doesn't care as long as you aren't making money off of it commercially
gleaming patio
i'd love a little string where you can put in a copyright though that appears when you click someone in the menu
tacit plank
Maybe Touhou has some license that made it a bad example. There are a lot of ripped models though
umbral reef
And even then you can often claim fair use
tacit plank
Who doesn't have a friend with a fortnite animation?
gleaming patio
can you own a dance?
tacit plank
The animations are taken directly from the game files
umbral reef
At max you can argue they cant use the dances even
tacit plank
That's asset theft
queen mango
A copy of another copy which came from an original source? You think they bought the rights?
tacit plank
You can remake the dance yourself, but you can't just copy/paste assets legally
woven stone
you cant copyright a dance
queen mango
@umbral reef It's #vrchat-general-2
rigid crescent
in court they could prove without a doubt that it was rippe,d Oclac
if they took you to court tomorrow, it'd be open and shit
LOL
woven stone
I just hope this canny brought up the issue again with Crashes
umbral reef
@queen mango 
woven stone
maybe someday VRC gets better with that
rigid crescent
im gonna leave that typo
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Not at all though-
tacit plank
I had to go off topic because I had to make up examples to make it apparent that we don't exactly follow the ToS
umbral reef
The proof of burden is insanely high for this shit
woven stone
You can't own a dance because you can't own body movements
umbral reef
They would just bleed me dry and settle out of court 👏
rigid crescent
You can't own a dance, you can own the animation files to said dance though
queen mango
If it's fair use, it's fine.
tacit plank
It's not technically fine, but nobody will come after you for it either
umbral reef
But to prove someone used that exact file is hard...
And almost legally imposible to do
tacit plank
Checksums
gleaming patio
if they converted it to some other format, checksums wont to anything anymore
opaque hawk
Don’t take anything you hear as legal advice unless you are speaking 1 on 1 with your attorney.
gleaming patio
unless, to prove, they convert it too and get the same result
but i dont know (what agalink said) if that's possible
umbral reef
I been in the 3D print community for a while and there was the same problem with file and project theft and claiming things falsely-
Proving that a file is exactly yours the second someone got there hands on it for a while with bad intent is insanely hard
And ofcours- IANAL and no one here is
gleaming patio
which is also why companies have been going so hard for DRMing content
watermarking too, etc
junior root
Anyone wanna play something in a hour
vocal shard
🍿
queen mango
@junior root Please don't post the same comment in multiple channels. Peeps here don't appreciate it
kind anchor
vocal shard
does anyone know what happened to the Fever Dream spooky map?
it was one of the oldest prolific maps around but it disappeared a few months ago
sterile drift
I was told it gave someone either a panic attack or a siezure
vocal shard
Really?
sterile drift
I thik you can like
Idk
Something happened
It's still like
You can search it up through the API
But
You just can't go to it through your client
tacit plank
Fever dream was fun, was it really removed?
sterile drift
The map is gone from the world list
And I just tried searching it up on the website
I don't see it anymore
glossy wharf
Imagine losing one of the best horror maps
Because some person ignored the warnings
sterile drift
WAITWAIT
glossy wharf
In the beginning
tacit plank
Can you DM it?
sterile drift
I'll DM it to you Caffeine
tacit plank
Thanks
glossy wharf
Dm pls
vocal shard
DM pls
tacit plank
That will work forever basically, unless we update Unity versions or something
vocal shard
Quick
i hope everyone tonight is visiting fever dream in the same instance, thatll be fun
sterile drift
Wait someone sent it to you? got it
I'll run the launch code now to check if the world's defunct or if it's okay
Alright it works
When's everyone coming to the world?
We should like
Set a time
subtle prawn
Yep rip
vocal shard
I know
inner cape
sterile drift
Ghosto you wanna join?
inner cape
What's happening?
sterile drift
Fever Dream map
inner cape
That doesn't tell me anything
sterile drift
Was an old horror map that went like
Away a long while ago
I found the ID for it though
sterile drift
When did it go away?
inner cape
When you wanna play
sterile drift
Idk I'm asking them
Bc like
If we all wanna do this we have to set up a time lol
inner cape
As long as it's not now
vocal shard
Look
I wanna do this thing too, but I know that Friday is gonna be wayyyyyyyy too long for all of you guys, which I understand
Yay
Is the current SDK version 2018.06.21.13.02?
sterile drift
No lol
I mean
Either way you slice it
It'll still work regardless
My SDK is from like January
wraith thicket
Hi Everyone, wasn't sure which channel to ask, but I wanted to know if there was anyway to use the vrchat avatars in other experience through the sdk. Possibly wanting to create my own experience but use the vrchat avatars
tacit plank
They're not really VRChat avatars, they're just uploaded to VRChat. They should work with any Unity project
wraith thicket
Okay, that's what I thought, but wanted to confirm that it is the case
I was hoping that vrchat can be like what mii's are for nintendo where you create an avatar that can be used in multiple experinces
supple python
Realized I had enough cryptocurrency to get a vive pro, so this should be one fun week
compact river
Other games use other armatuers and file types
You really need to talk with modding groups for single player games for stuff like that
queen mango
@supple python You have enough to buy a new GPU?
supple python
I COULD get a new gpu, but why would i when i have the vega 64?
tacit plank
You can always throw an avatar into Blender and export it as pretty much any type
You could probably get it into Skyrim if you wanted to lol
compact river
Ya some games need some odd things done others are easy
wraith thicket
@tacit plank LOL, I wanted to just leverage vrchat as my avatar creation and account management
but seems to be out of scope of whats it really is
tacit plank
But VRChat is not related to the avatars, it can just use them.
Most avatars are made in Mikumikudance, but works in Blender and Unity as well.
If you want to make a project, you could just make a Unity project and throw the avatars into it
compact river
Learn things
wraith thicket
@tacit plank thanks for the clarification
queen mango
Hmm... Does Unity accept Blender files?
compact river
Yes
They go in
I messed up and drag and dropped 20 blender files in
Took forever
queen mango
Oof
compact river
Regrets
queen mango
Regarding avatars... What's the best one for a first-timer to make?
compact river
It was right next to the other folder and 4 am
Happens
Like from scratch?
Lower poly that does not have layers like skirts and such
Also easy on rigging
Loop cuts or w/e they are called so you can easily paint how you want the leg to bend
queen mango
Hmm... What about the pre-rigged ones like from MMD?
tacit plank
Download a base which doesn't look like shit. Drag clothes onto it. Use shrinkwrap or whatever modifier. Transfer weights and merge.
I think that's how I did it anyways
compact river
Easy ones will have 3 spine bones
Then cats will do almost everything
Then you can learn how to do rigging later and stick to just mesh edits
queen mango
Anything else I should be concerned with?
tacit plank
Blender. It's evil. Buy 3 goats, a pentagram and a high grade kitchen knife
compact river
Be careful with removing parts or painting them correctly b4 game
I could help you in a call but my niece has me burnt out and im not at home
tacit plank
Really though, make sure you don't have a shapekey selected when changing things, because then the changes will happen only on that shapekey
compact river
Little devil
queen mango
Oof. It's alright.
I'll keep it in mind when I get my hands on Blender
compact river
If you add me and get all the stuff downloaded
I can give you a little run down of basics
As that will help you keep up with tutorials a lot better
queen mango
Alright. Thank you much.
verbal ruin
how do I type in the youtube search box when in a VR headset in a room that has video player
google didnt help sorry I tried
compact river
Not 100% sure on that topic but did you need room master?
compact river
You need to be the maker of that room
verbal ruin
ooooooo
compact river
As i dont think it tranfers
verbal ruin
👌
i made a new instace the master settings are there, it says enter youtube url, do I need a addon for a keyboard?
vocal shard
You can't search videos since webpannels were disabled. You can still copy a url and paste it in the box, but you can't search
fucken x logging me out
tacit plank
If you copy a picture or something before pasting, your client might crash btw
compact river
Oof
vocal shard
why do they keep deleting the actual good features but put in dumb crap nobody needs
tacit plank
Example of dumb crap?
They removed webpanels because of a security issue, it was the best choice even though it's a shame
vocal shard
what happened to being able to ride in movable objects/avatars
indigo fern
That's being worked on
vocal shard
That was added prematurely. It's supposed to come back
indigo fern
They accidentally put it in early without it being ready, yea
vocal shard
that's not vrchat's fault, the web panels used a third party lib and the third party left some giant holes in it never to be fixed
they say prematurely like were gonna have to buy it or something. just put it in.
compact river
Hehe flinging people in to space is always fun
indigo fern
Just put it in 4Head
vocal shard
There were huge exploits and griefing when the chairs were in
hasty wedge
take a drink everytime u hear bringing back chairs 
compact river
indigo fern
🍺
tranquil perch
easier said than done though unfortunately
vocal shard
question at what level of the trust system can you start uploading avatars
my friend wants to upload avatars but right now he just started using his sdk vrchat
ruby burrow
You only need New User. Doesn't take long for most.
vocal shard
isnt new user level one
languid beacon
Visitor is level 1
ruby burrow
^
vocal shard
user is level 2?
languid beacon
User is 3.. you know what hold on
vocal shard
Yeah, new is 2
languid beacon
ruby burrow
Visitor > New User > User > Known User > Trusted
languid beacon
Yes, New User (blue) gets the ability to upload, so long as it's not a steam account. Steam accounts never get the ability to upload.
they will turn blue, though
vocal shard
Steam accounts are getting the ability to upgrade to a vrchat account tho and transfer their friends and time
languid beacon
Oh that's finally out, cool
languid beacon
Do they lose their numbers in their name?
vocal shard
Yes. They make a vrchat account, and transfer everything over
ruby burrow
Even if they didn't lose them, they'd be able to request a name change on the side.
I wonder if that feature will always be available. It's very rare for games and services to offer that, especially free and repeatedly.
I think Warframe offers name changes, but charges a small fee for it.
languid beacon
that stuff is usuallly just to discourage rapid changing rather than being expensive serverside
vocal shard
Might be different if it was an automated system. As of now, each name needs to be changed by a team member
languid beacon
people value their money more than time, so time cooldowns aren't a good deterent 😛
Still nice to offer it. in most games your name is like, permenently eched in stone
gloomy sequoia
Anyone else having their audio cut out completely?
ruby burrow
Vaguely related to that, it's always bugged me how virtually all MMOs force 100% unique names, and don't have any alternative method for player ID.
Often with strict character types too.
It's something I was really surprised to see in VR-Chat, that almost any character is fair game, meaning it's really easy to have a name very close to your initial choice.
I always thought that if I made an MMO, I would separate unique player ID, and character names that don't need to be unique.
gloomy sequoia
Everyone’s audio in an entire room went almost completely out.
queen mango
Which map?
neon flume
Guild Wars 2 was almost there, account names don't have to be unique (they have a number tag) but character names still need to be unique.
I guess it could be hard to search for someone but since all interaction is account wide anyways (except mail I think) it should be possible to use just the account name if you can't find their character name.
ruby burrow
That's so backwards though. ._.
Honestly it should be both though. Account names should just have a number tag, and character names should be kept open for the roleplay value.
But I guess expecting any roleplay value or immersion out of an MMO is a foolish thing to hope for in general.
The genre is such a lost and confused thing.
rigid crescent
It's not very immersive to see a bunch of "Sephiroth" walking around
Just put an account tag with unique first/last name combos, at least make people try
at least with unique names and no last names, you'll only ever have one Sephiroth and one Cloud
ruby burrow
It's better than seeing "xXS3phir0thXx52" though.
rigid crescent
that and there's usually servers for RP where people don't do that
ruby burrow
The only restriction I'd put on character names, would be letters only, one dash somewhere in the middle of the name, and some sensible character limit.
Also, I'd probably have it force capitalisation on the first letter, and auto lowercase the rest.
You know, like an actual name.
ruby burrow
If people want to use the first/last name fields two call themselves, "Arse Lord" then fair enough, that's their choice.
But it's just stupid to have a world where there can only ever be one "Steve" and never any others, even if Steve stops playing.
gleaming patio
arselord is great
queen mango
Unless it involves literal situations
rigid crescent
and based on the setting, single cap could shaft some immersive names
rigid crescent
I'm sure there's plenty of settings where elves or trolls or space elves or space trolls use naming conventions like Rel'Thala
now I have to be Rel'Thala, which makes no sense according to the Zomorian Conquest lore of the Space Elves of Zendor VI
ruby burrow
Ah, good point. Apostrophe should be allowed as well then.
rigid crescent
which i just made up
There's really no reason games shouldn't do First/Last names at this point
ruby burrow
The capitalisation thing is just me being fussy about seeing people with lowercase names. Like, take some pride in it.
queen mango
Or Japanese names like Kikuri-hime, or Kamu Susanoo.
ruby burrow
Those would both be possible in the limits I described above.
gleaming patio
you don't really add suffixes like -hime in your name though
rigid crescent
i mean, historically you do
queen mango
@gleaming patio Japanese honorifics, boy
ruby burrow
Spare the suffix if written like that I guess?
gleaming patio
i know, but you don't type them yourself
rigid crescent
Yes you do, historically.
gleaming patio
honorifics are always relative to the person addressing you
ruby burrow
Clearly this hypothetical game needs a 'Title' field as well... >_>;
rigid crescent
Nah just earn titles ingame
ruby burrow
Yeah.
rigid crescent
There were a lot of older names where hime was just built in
ruby burrow
inb4 every top level player is "Arse Lord-Hime"
rigid crescent
You mean Master Carpenter Ass Lord-Hime
gleaming patio
i'm getting the feeling that historically, those people who deserved such a high honorific didnt ever have to bother writing their name
queen mango
Pretty weird, don‘t you think?
rigid crescent
well no, they used seals
ruby burrow
Or would adding the Japanese title reverse the first/last fields? And result in "Lord Arse-Hime".
gleaming patio
makes sense
queen mango
I think it would. Japanese sentences use postpositions instead of prepositions, unless there is a comma or period.
Well, even if there are
rigid crescent
it's weird that they still refer to them as prepositions though even though they are postpositions lol
in japanese at least
ruby burrow
Perhaps limit the fancier titles to only those actually heading a big enough guild, or some other achievement that can't be held by everyone at once.
Obviously people might not like that, but what the hell, I honestly don't like the typical MMO design at all.
rigid crescent
XIV used titles pretty well
you earned them similar to achievements if i remember right
crafting, combat, class, etc
story and quest related
oh and reputation ones, those were usually cool
ruby burrow
Yeah, that kind of stuff all makes sense. Would still likely result in over half the players being Lord something, but hard to help that.
queen mango
Might wanna move this one to random chat.
Ruuubick might whip us
ruby burrow
Oh snap. Good point.
Well, I'll be getting off to bed right now anyway. Catch you laters.
zinc solar
Bout that time lonely people busting that VRNut
Too many suggestive thumbnails and private worlds
queen mango
Nani?
rigid crescent
it's their bit
queen mango
Isn‘t it No Nut November?
sullen escarp
Day 5: nutting doesn't count if it's a virtual nut
zinc solar
Lmao
light saddle
I wish that were true
prime aspen
@vocal shard
ruby burrow
Need a raunchy squirrel girl avatar to go around taunting anyone who mentions the "No Not November" thing, pulling out some kind of nut prop or something and making suggestive faces.
queen mango
Raunchy, you say?
Well... check the meaning in the urban dictionary
glass yacht
this guy needs to be investigated ;/ https://image.ibb.co/nbVZJV/inv.png somehow he found a way to force people into an animation while looking at them, also puts an overlay on your screen and respawns you, does not matter if you set him low or even block him
vocal shard
Please send a detailed report to moderation@vrchat.com
glass yacht
kk
cold talon
ah the classic moded client
glass yacht
just dont get how a modded client is injecting someone's custom animation and a shader into another player
shoudln't that kinda thing have some kind of local secure layer?
gleaming patio
well worlds have the right to some of those things, i dont know how easy that is to seperate
like worlds being able to ragdoll you and other things
pseudo basalt
Yeah it's probably world code
I've seen people do plenty of (non malicous) things that are usually only done by worlds
Because the client seems to do a good enough job of stripping off illegal components. Unless you can inject code into other people's clients, which would be quite a disaster
gleaming patio
there's a system that should ensure that only whitelisted scripts can be used or something
if that can be broken it would be a disaster
pseudo basalt
There's a list of components that get stripped off locally when an avatar gets loaded
Basically anything that isn't whitlisted gets deleted when the avatar gets loaded on every person's client, so if you don't have a modified client it won't even load, even if the person who has the avatar has a modified one that allows it, since everyone loads a local copy, as far as I know
livid abyss
i hoped put safety settings max would secure me from getting crashed
Guess i was wrong 😄
pseudo basalt
Well, you can't get crashed with shaders or particles because they simply don't load, which should discourage most people who don't care to look for something that works for more than 2 minutes
But you're still connected to the same room, and as long as people can send malicious mod/room owner/world commands, you can't do much but go somewhere else
I'm just glad people only go as far as crashing you, because formatting your drives or filling them up with junk files would kill the game in a few days, and I wouldn't be surprised that you could do tho I'm not sure if vrc has admin permissions
cold talon
formating drives from vrc 
pseudo basalt
Old unity version, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you could inject malicious code somehow
tacit plank
Probably possible, but probably really difficult
cold talon
but you dont have access to the other clients game directly, you just send existing commands to a server which interprets them 
pseudo basalt
So far 
I mean, I'm not too worried about it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if someone found a way to do it
Though that'd be more of an unity fault than vrchat I guess
tacit plank
You don't send them to a server I believe, but to other clients
pseudo basalt
The server should still handle that tho
cold talon
how would you send them directly 
tacit plank
At least the worlds don't run on servers
pseudo basalt
They do actually
tacit plank
Which is why rooms have an owner. If the server simulated everything and synced it to the clients, we wouldn't have this terrible trigger system
median basalt
Injecting malicious code is not currently known to be possible
Webpanels were a way to do it but that has been patched
Crashing is insanely easy compared to code injection
tacit plank
Instead random clients take ownership of random objects and then tells other clients to sync.
Worlds are hosted on the server, but I'm fairly sure that clients just fight about how the current room looks and which triggers are active
median basalt
Well, that's almost the case
There is a "master", but clients have a ton of control over stuff
It's why modded clients can turn off gravity on nearby pickups for example
umbral reef
Caff, the server not checking everything within an instance is not the same as client side run
cold talon
i mean even if the old unity had a security issue that allowed code execution you still need a way to get the server to distribute the code as there is no direct acces to clients, whet the skiddies do now is just use already existing admin/world commands to mess with peps
tacit plank
Still selected by random, it would be better if the room master was a server I think
median basalt
Well, when both webpanels and VR IK were a thing, some pretty dangerous individuals existed
median basalt
They could put malicious code on their avatar and bring it along to any world
pseudo basalt
Locally hosted servers would be awful
tacit plank
Eh, read up on Unity patches from now to 2018. I'm sure there's some security stuff
pseudo basalt
Because hosts would have control over everything
cold talon
ik 
median basalt
Most of the security stuff will be in Photon or the native Unity networking library
Security updates doesn't really matter for general Unity usage
cold talon
custom animators
tacit plank
I mean if VRChat servers hosted the worlds and synced physics. Like in GMod
median basalt
You're asking the user to install an arbitrary program when you distribute your game to them
Security is moot in that regard
It's not really Unity's job (other than making sure people can't do malicious stuff to another user over network)
tacit plank
The client can write a log file, it can probably write other things too
pseudo basalt
Source engine had both dedicated and local servers
I don't know if gmod changed anything
But the code was fairly accessible, hence why it was so easy to write hacks for it
tacit plank
In gmod, everything runs on the server, it's just send to the clients. In VRChat, the last person to touch an object decides where it is and what it's doing
pseudo basalt
There were malicious servers too but I don't think there were too many remote code execution exploits
tacit plank
It was most just people messing around with server admins by getting them to run scripts
glossy wharf
with backdoors
for example gbombs
it was a massively used addon on a lot of sandbox servers
but also
tacit plank
And if you have ever seen your screen blur out, it was thanks to turret_tracer dof_node in the console. Fun stuff. You would shoot screen shaders basically
But to talk about VRChat again, I'm sure you can at least send enough garbage data to break somebodies game install
tacit plank
I once had a 700MB log somehow. I never found out what it contained because even notepad++ wouldn't open it
frhed would, but I didn't think of it at the time
pseudo basalt
Is unity 2018 a pipe dream
vocal shard
yes
rigid crescent
not really no
hollow sluice
did the vr servers go down yesterday for anyone else?
rigid crescent
definitely no time soon though
hollow sluice
last night for me they randomly shut off and i got logged out at around this time
rigid crescent
not for me, no
vocal shard
if you got logged out it's possible that you got hit by a script kiddie
hollow sluice
i think one of those modders crashed everyone in a map i was in
it was in that really big cube map
vocal shard
then yeah, you got hit by a script kiddie
hollow sluice
wooo
elfin cloak
hallo
since that the Most Famous VRChat Player - Qwonk. Qwonk was banned from YouTube in May 2017 with 1 million subscribers after telling George Bush to "Qwonk my Bush"
so is there a new vrchat youtube media player for 2018?
thanks in advance
umbral reef
Wat
vocal shard
who?
umbral reef
^^
hollow sluice
so safe mode can save me from those gun crasher things but not this other thing that logs you out?
inner cape
errant merlin
Does anyone know if it's possible to set virtual walls/borders when in VR when you're using the standing setting and not the room scale one?
vocal shard
public lag free box is a good place to get crashed/yoinked/logged out
elfin cloak
so what is the name of player or can you give me a link to it so when i go to some streaming world vrchat are that i can play video-audio without any problem by meaning that i only see white screen with no sound at all
rigid crescent
what...
vocal shard
what the fuck are you talking about
glossy wharf
I think he wants
umbral reef
@errant merlin with vive?
glossy wharf
a room to watch
errant merlin
Yes, Vive
glossy wharf
youtube videos in
rigid crescent
thats more than likely an issue on your in
umbral reef
If so gotta reset up stuff within SteamVR
Look at the settings within there and it should e clear
rigid crescent
hm
errant merlin
The setup settings didn't show anything to show virtual borders
it's only for room scale
but if you've tried it before and it's a thing, then I'll take another look
thanks
umbral reef
Wait you want the circle but also room scale?
umbral reef
Then its room scale really
north axle
@errant merlin You need to reset your SteamVR chaperone.
@elfin cloak Go to #bottalk and say "!outputlog" to get the log and send it to the moderators (#moderation-reports).
@errant merlin Pepe isn't allowed here.
elfin cloak
you dont have that problem i have
and when i say it i mean that i have huge problem playing audio - video media content in streaming vrchat worlds
so that's why asking for help if someone knows how to help me
that's what i "fucking" talknig about
p.s.
excuse me on my speach i just repeat the guy's word's
glossy wharf
We cant help you if we dont understand what your problem is
rigid crescent
he cant see videos
glossy wharf
but he says he has problems playing audio
like he changes his problem everytime he writes something
north axle
Oh, that's what he meant. I thought you were talking about an actual player, as in "user", not a media player.
elfin cloak
yeah i can't see the stupid video all is white without sound.but you dont understand me because you dont have that problem so i am alien to you...maybe i am crazzy
rigid crescent
lol
glossy wharf
nah its more that your broken english is hard to understand
rigid crescent
no, your english is bad, thats why we dont understand
not your fault, but it has nothing to do wuth us not having the bug
umbral reef
You ramble a lot and contradict the statements you make... So its hard for us to understand your problem.
Combine that with the botched english it becomes fairly hard for us to properly get /what/ exactly your problem is
Like does nothing work in any world, when did it start to fail and ect. We need to know information like that instead of rambling about a Yt'er/meme...
And that is what they are aiming at- So what exactly does not work and since when does it not work
Also what have you tried so far to fix it
elfin cloak
yeah that's what happen when i type wary fast without thinking
i am sorry
umbral reef
But can you answer the questions of when it started, what you tried so far and what the problem is (everything that is broken and if its always broken or just in some rooms)
pseudo basalt
Youtube rarely works for me too
It didn't work at all until I updated windows. Now it just works in some worlds and others just freeze my game
But I'm on windows 8.1
@elfin cloak are you on windows 7
vocal shard
someone said that you need windows 10 to make it work properly
windows 7 and probably 8 is fucked
cold talon
win 8 🤢
umbral reef
Win 8.1 👌
tacit plank
Win 8 is never good
errant merlin
You either use Windows 7 or Windows 10
vocal shard
okay buddy
umbral reef
Windows XP 
vocal shard
here we go again 🙄
tacit plank
It's true
vocal shard
yes yes it is
tacit plank
The better you get at software, the more you will hate windows
umbral reef
We all know the Nintendo OS is the best
pseudo basalt
8.1 is perfectly fine and I never had issues with it past the initial start menu circlejerk. While eve thing works on it I won't bother moving to 10
vocal shard
pseudo basalt
But if YouTube support dies completely for vrchat on 8.1 I will consider updating
median basalt
I don't hate Windows
I work in IT and I'm good with software
I like Linux but it doesn't support most of the games I play
vocal shard
same.
cold talon
pfft ok you stick whit windows ill be no the true meta
React OS
all file formats are directly compatible, so programs shold work just as they do on windows
rigid crescent
im on 10 and vids havent worked for months
median basalt
Ohhh yeah
W10 has that awful set of "codecs" that you have to dig deep into the settings for to remove
Had an issue where Youtube videos didn't work correctly and videos on other sites didn't work at all, within one browser
@rigid crescent that might be HVEC or HEVC codecs (not sure which one it's called)
You gotta go to the W10 settings menu, then apps, then delete those codecs
W10 apps and features menu or something
rigid crescent
I'll check it out, i rarely watched them to begin with but it can get annoying sometimes
vital rune
am I the only one who thinks aside from actual issues, Windows 10 isnt all that bad
vocal shard
i have no issue whatsoever with windows 10
vital rune
8 is fucking dumpster fire I agree
median basalt
I have issues with W10
I don't see much difference between the start menu of W8, 8.1 and W10, they are all aids.
Classic Shell makes it fine again.
umbral reef
I really dislike 8, like 8.1 and dont mind 10 but i only used 10 home on shitty laptops so
median basalt
Tbh I think windows 10 has forced their shitty settings menu on me more times than W8.1 has.
elfin cloak
SORRY I WAS AFK
SO...in most of the worlds the video link is broken when i try to copy-paste url.
and yes i am the user of W7 64 SP1 with all updates...and that is not problem at all,
because before 9 months i was having exact problem
and i report that to vrchat support and they resolve my problem.
but now...they say that i need to have windows 10...what?...what a bummer :(
so i look for utube dll update and all kind of things in that waebsite and i try it all
but without any luck.
median basalt
It's a codec issue @elfin cloak
Is
Is this question what started the W10 flamewar?
elfin cloak
so is there some non banned vrchat player or some hack that it will enable me to play video in vrchat
vocal shard
yes
elfin cloak
please help
median basalt
Lmao
umbral reef
@median basalt kinda yea
pseudo basalt
I'll keep not mentioning w8.1 in mind
pseudo basalt
So if it's a codec issue then can't you just download the appropriate ones
median basalt
I really wanna switch to something like Linux Mint (despite the nearly forced mouse acceleration), but Linux doesn't support VR all that well (if at all)
vocal shard
don't get into details when caffeine is around and you will be fine
median basalt
Really though, why the fuck does a gaming-focused distro have built-in mouse acceleration that you cannot easily disable?
vocal shard
just modifiy it 4head
median basalt
Why do I have to add a commandline macro to some weird startup file in 5 different places?
vocal shard
it's a linux distrib you can do whatever apparently.
median basalt
Technically yes
"Don't like the acceleration? Just make and compile your own distro lmao"
pseudo basalt
SteamOS 
vocal shard
you choose linux, can't complain if you need to do stuff by yourself 
elfin cloak
for my taste i love only W xp and 7 and i don't like shity 8 - 10
median basalt
Eh, I can complain plenty about certain Linux distros
If they advertise themselves as user-friendly and oriented to gaming
Then it's stupid to force mouse acceleration that is not inherently there in the OS
pseudo basalt
Hey now, I was only talking hypothetically
median basalt
You can disable it, but Linux being Linux, you need to stack command after command in like 5 "magical" places
Where stuff that gets put there is magically executed
vital rune
its not like you're going to be stuck using Windows XP forever
median basalt
Good luck figuring out which places, though!
thick dune
Does anyone know where I can find this avatar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLzqv9pcCc
rough flax
If you steal it 
@thick dune
rancid anchor
I know that the Vive and Rift both work just fine with the game, but will a WMR like the Lenovo Explorer work? Are the controllers just as functional?
rough pulsar
@rancid anchor Yup. Plenty of WMR users here, most surprisingly happy with the things too.
rancid anchor
Okay awesome
vocal shard
Yeah, I'm a wmr user. It works well
safe yacht
just found an avatar world that only had 1 avatar in it that is locked to the maker of the avatar and the map. Why even let them publish that shit as an avatar map?
Why do people even put locked avatars that only THEY can use, in their avatar worlds? Jsut upload it to your own account, twats.
vocal shard
Even if the world was uploaded with a public avatar, the owner could have switched the pedestal blueprint to a different private one without needing the world to be approved again..
rough pulsar
It could also be a mistake, accidentally hit private when updating the avatar.
Or they could have found an issue with the avatar and set it to private while they fix it so people don't have to suffer a buggy avatar.
median basalt
World reviewers are supposed to deny the world over that, but only a small amount of the review team seems to properly do their job
safe yacht
No, its clearly showing that this is their avatar, with a pedestal and a big freaking sign behind it.
median basalt
No offense to the review team but the quality of the review seems to differ enormously depending on when you submit the world. I can submit just about anything on a sunday. Shaders that are broken in VR, private avatar pedestals, you name it
And on some other days people get (rightfully) criticized for having more than 10 materials
quartz basin
No one praised me when I went from 20 materials to three. Why even bother then?
woven steppe
I constantly live in a world of 20fps anyways... doesn't matter if you have 40 materials or 4... I'd still view you equally poorly
solar mountain
Oh, you get double digits. That must be nice lmao
woven steppe
you can't have any lower performance if you're already at lowest performance 
solar mountain
Tried playing on a cheap windows laptop. Literally unplayable, and that's why I've never been on for more than 5 minutes at a time, despite having VRChat for over four months now 😂
woven steppe
you could drop it down to like postage stamp resolution and try that
literally impossible to read anything on the menu but hey... you can still socialize at least
solar mountain
True enough.
winged heron
Hey guys, I've been seeing a lot of vrchat videos. Was just curious how it was for you guys when you first tried vrchat
Just waiting for my Vive to come in, vrchat looks like a lot of fun
wheat moth
Joined Feb 2017, during steam launch.
It was fun getting to know everybody. It was really small back then lol
umbral reef
First few times where boring
Once i got my joke avatars going- got some friend groups and stuff it became fairly fun
Quit right when the user boom happened to only played properly for 3 weeks and a bit
But hey im getting back into it
But its just like joining any new community- starts of hard ;p and gets more fun the longer you stay
winged heron
Ah okay, I have the psvr and played rec room but was turned off pretty fast cause of how much little kids going crazy. I hope I don't have the same experience with vrchat haha
eager plinth
I remember being a desktop lad
cold talon
early 2010 really good times
winged heron
Is the community big on rp?
umbral reef
VRC has everything you can think of community based
eager plinth
Yep
umbral reef
The grown up
The avatar/world peeps
The meme people
Rp
Lewd stuff
peeps just here to make friends
And on
winged heron
Alright, sounds good. Do most of your guys make your own though?
Cause I'm not good at that type of stuff at all lmao
wheat moth
own avatars?
winged heron
Yeah, sorry
meager solstice
whats vrchat?
winged heron
Gotta type fast at work lmao
eager plinth
Yea lmao whats a vrchat
wheat moth
There is a ton of avatar rooms to choose from. Most of them are anime.
eager plinth
Yep
I could not find any I liked so I put my civil skills to the test in blender
Hooboy
winged heron
Are you able to save those models from those rooms though?
sterile drift
People tell me I should make an avatar world LOL
wheat moth
You can save 3 atm
winged heron
That's not bad then
neon flume
It's not too hard to make avatars and you can scale the amount of effort/time you want to put in. Uploading a recoloured mmd model takes maybe a few hours the first time. On the other hand you can invest yourself and pick up a ton of fun and useful skills in blender and unity.
winged heron
I was looking for baki the grappler but can't find him at all or anything online lol
I'll have to look into that
When it comes to drawing I'm terrible, I've only had a knack for videos or photos
sterile drift
I started out knowing nothing about Unity OR Blender and people say I'm way better than many people
I disagree with that but it still cheers me up every now and then
winged heron
Did you just look up tutorials on youtube and learn from that?
wheat moth
That's how i first started
sterile drift
I mean the only tutorial I used was Tupper's MMD tutorial and even then I stopped using MMD models a LOOONG time ago
wheat moth
But the videos I used are very outdated at this point lol
sterile drift
yea that's a thing
People don't really make many VRChat creation tutorials
At least, as many as you would want
Sure there's like "How to upload a custom avatar" but that's like, a majority of them, I'm talking about unique tutorials.
When I first tried learning how to make a world that's when I needed help
I still don't know how to properly set up reflection probes 
hardy raven
hey, i’m researching vr options and i need some help
is it possible to get psvr working with vrchat? i did a quick skim and it sounds like i’d need a camera for positional stuff? but what about the psvr’s camera? is that incompatible or something?
wheat moth
I have no idea if that's possible. Might be.
hardy raven
bc the vive seems a bit too out of price range and the rift needs four slots? i only have two USB 3.0 slots and it needs 3. can i plug a 3.0 into a 2.0 slot, or will it break something?
i read something that said that i could
neon flume
It looks like you can use Trinus VR for that. I don't know how reliable it is or whether that works now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O__PbPNhXU
With the Rift you can have the sensors running on USB 2.0 ports, it just degrades the tracking quality in theory. I'm using one 3.0 slot for the headset, 3.0 for one sensor, and a 2.0 slot for the other sensor.
hardy raven
ah ok
i’ll check it out
ok now i’m confused
if i get psvr, what’s the point of trinus? their site says its for phones
ohhh nvm
i see now.
just like i have to for my actual ps4 controller, i have to run it through another program
hmm apparently the Move controllers don’t play well with VRC though
heck.
So I’m guessing Rift > PSVR in this game’s case.
neon flume
Windows Mixed Reality headsets might be a good option too. I'm unfamiliar with them myself but I know that there are quite a few people who play VRChat using them and they're supposed to be a more affordable option than the rift or vive. They're also easier to set up, no sensors to place.
hardy raven
i’ve never heard of em
do they have hand controllers or is it just a desktop mode deal
bc i’m so tired of desktop mode with my lack of hands
neon flume
They have hand controllers, tracked via the cameras on the headset. If you move your hands out of the fov of the cameras they will stop tracking so you can't move your hand behind you. Otherwise though it's comparable in quality to the rift's tracking afaik.
neon flume
Oh neat, here's a review that might be helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psBJOdO4VoQ
hardy raven
ah dang yeah i can’t watch rn but these do seem like a much more viable option
wait, will i still have finger gestures and whatnot?
PS Move doesn’t have em which sucks and i kinda want em, sooo
neon flume
If you get a chance I'd recommend watching the video. You can see how the tracking works and judge the quality for yourself.
Yeah you can do finger gestures, I think that the controllers are set up similar to the oculus.
hardy raven
ah sweet
yeah i’m planning on it when i can actually charge my phone