vrchat-general-2

[brave walrus]

https://github.com/smkplus/ShaderMan can help you get started, but if you want something performant in VR you'll have to get your hands messy

[small wing]

Tried shaderman, but for some reason it always comes out 2d.

I assume there is a certain shader i need to use for the conversions?

[brave walrus]

Actually there's a shader discord I can invite you to if you're really intrested

[small wing]

Sure, if it helps then im always interested.

Been wanting to convert some stuff to mess around a bit.

[languid beacon]

Are animator state machines allowed on avatars? Do they work? Or is that only a world thing

[vocal shard]

Hate when I have to DL 350mb and once it is, it teleports me home and I have to do it again

[umbral oracle]

Yes, but you have no control over states: they are all time based. So you can't do much differently from a single animation with a long timeline

[languid beacon]

You can’t have bool conditions for state change?

[umbral oracle]

Only control is the Behaviour enabled toggle that pauses it (and I think resets to the beginning of the current animator state)

[languid beacon]

Like I can put parameter conditions on the transitions are those ignored on avatars?

[umbral oracle]

Nope, even though it lets you edit float params in the animation clip they don't seem to do anything and if you make it legacy animation those actually crash unity so probably not an intended feature

[languid beacon]

Oof

Parameters would let you have prop wheels with circular states

[undone perch]

Someone play CTF with me I'm bored

[languid beacon]

Like a bunch of inventory on one hand gesture

[umbral oracle]

People do prop wheel type effects time based with behavior toggle but they can get desynced and to reset you need to deactivate the whole object

[worthy pollen]

when are the gm going to fix my avatars and ohter people in game has broken avatars because of new patch? stil before 2019?

[cold talon]

canny add object and animation sync for avatars

[gilded valley]

Someone know the anime world with a bunch of anime like no game no life etc?
Can remind that u need to climb a ladder

For some anime x.x

[wild herald]

im soo bored, tryna look for english speaking people

[undone perch]

FUCK ME I JUST TRIED THE DEADSPACE MAP NEVER AGAIN

[umbral nova]

lawl

[ruby burrow]

How does that DeadSpace map work then?

[wild herald]

EVERYONE

[ruby burrow]

I'm normally a bit adverse to horror stuff, but if it's anything more sophisticated than just stock image jump scares, I might be brave and see what it's like.

[wild herald]

It’s 9:52 pm here. I’m tired and I just want someone to talk to on VR

[vocal shard]

I could

If you want, add me :c same name

[meager solstice]

All the “monsters run at u”

They jump up and attack u

@ruby burrow it’s pretty good

[gilded valley]

Dont find the anime world -_-

[small wing]

anyone make rtx in vrchat yet? i'm waiting..

lmao

[safe prism]

i mean

i could fake it

[light skiff]

i can`t login with steam rn...

nvm fixed it self after a few trys

[pseudo basalt]

Steam was dead for a bit (tuesday maintenance?)

[queen mango]

Probably

Wait... Yesterday for me was Tuesday

[maiden hound]

of course steam decides to uninstall vrchat for no reason ^^

[ivory tendon]

Steam uninstalled all my vr games last night

redownloaded windows in general today so i didnt mind

[tall ingot]

Anybody using Oculus having trouble with using thr Oculus overlay while running VRChat?

[fallen grove]

Someone botting the active worlds list?

It's showing 9995 people in VRChat Home

I've sent a picture in #vrchat-pictures

[little rune]

Can’t join on friends atm

[flint ore]

Jesus, the popular rooms jumped so fast.

[maiden hound]

i think vrchats down

2k people in the pug?

and like no instances whatsoever

!online

[floral flax]

There are 5847 users in VRChat currently

[maiden hound]

yeah the servers are telling lies

[raven mango]

yeah I noticed there is something weird with the worlds

[rough flax]

Works fine here 👌

[languid beacon]

I love the hud on the dead space map. Saw someone who had it on his personal avie too, it’s slick

[vocal shard]

I made it 😃

[charred rune]

I need some help, I am using the Oculus rift, and when I enter VRchat, well it spams the gestures when I move around. I have even made sure to not have my fingers near the buttons but it keeps going. So much so that I had to jump into an avi that only had finger gestures. While Granted I can still interact with the world, pick things up and use the menu I cannot use anything with gestures.

[vocal shard]

odd. im getting the "oculus is updating" message when i try to open it, but it seems like everyone else is able to use theres

theirs*

[brazen galleon]

@charred rune In case nobody got back to you: check your Steam controller bindings for your touch controllers. I had a problem a while ago where I couldn't use certain gestures and it turned out that function had been unbound in Steam. It sounds like you might have Vive binds causing your avatar to make gestures when you move the joysticks.

[charred rune]

@brazen galleon you would be right that is what is happening

[brazen galleon]

Don't know how helpful my late response would be but I figured it couldn't hurt. Hope you get it fixed ❤

[charred rune]

no idea how to fix it

[brazen galleon]

Oh no! I'm not sure, see if there's a option to choose a preset for touch controllers?

[mystic grail]

Just found out that if you log on to your vr chat account on two different computers

You can be logged on at the same time

And there can be two of you.

[neon flume]

Yeah, it's handy for seeing what your shaders look like when they're blocked.

[mystic grail]

Sure, but all i can think of is making an account and giving it to like 15 friends and telling them all to meet in the same world like the void club or something.

That would just be hilarious.

[safe prism]

block yourself

[umbral nova]

Funnily enough it is possible to block yourself, but I have yet to see what it actually does. I'm not gonna try it in fear that I would either get myself yolked or that I would be unable to see my own avatar.

[safe prism]

it crashes your game until you unblock via api

[umbral nova]

Oh you've tried it? LOL

[umbral oracle]

@neon flume I've never been able to do that from the same account. The safety settings are greyed out when I click on myself even when I am friends with myself.

[safe prism]

i've had friends that have

[umbral nova]

Oh lol

[safe prism]

you gotta block with api too

you can friend yourself as well

[umbral nova]

Oh I already did

I just didn't block myself

[vocal shard]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[safe prism]

not natively.

[neon flume]

Oh my bad, I was using my steam account + normal account on my computer. I've never tried the same account

[umbral oracle]

Ya steam account + normal account works but I have to logout and login every time I want to test 😦

[neon flume]

I hope we can get that functionality in game one day! It's a pretty niche usage but it would be nice to know for certain what my avatars look like for someone who has shaders blocked.

[umbral oracle]

I don't think it really is niche. Half the avatars I upload are messed up in some way or other with shaders and I just don't know it. Like I used two shaders with transparent in their name on different queues for body and clothing and with shaders disabled, body renders as transparent on top of the clothing and I probably get people blocking me for nsfw when that was not my intent

The fix is rename the body to not contain the word transparent (e.g. use cutout) but if I didn't know what I was doing I would have no idea about fallbacks and transparent sorting

[vocal shard]

Happy halloween

[ebon belfry]

trick or treat

[whole lodge]

Does the pug randomy play music or do you sactivate it?

[near saffron]

Haven’t heard any music since the Halloween update, might be activate-able tho

[whole lodge]

It turned on the other night

i need to find out

how to trurn it on

[lilac swan]

The music was only on temporarily, it's cut off by now.

[whole lodge]

Noooooo

Im over here trying to solve puzzles

the musicv was so good

[lilac swan]

Unless I recall wrong, which I very well might, it cost about 65 USD for the bandwidth used per day just for the music. So having it last long term obviously wouldn't fly

[umbral reef]

Well that is lots of music then being send to lots of peeps or its a way to big file format

[lilac swan]

2 hour track I think it is, and the Pug is a very high traffic world

[north axle]

'Cause it's pretty much the only world that's equally good for the majority of VRC.

[umbral reef]

Ow wait- forgot VRC send all that data in one swoop right?

[lilac swan]

It was being streamed in as a video. That's how the visualization was synced with the music, sections of the panel UV mapped into different parts

And exactly how it works under the hood I have no idea

About the data thing

[whole lodge]

Any hope of it coming back @lilac swan

[lilac swan]

Obviously I don't speak for Owlboy, but I wouldn't count on it. Maybe for halloween for a short while? It's whatever he decides on.

[whole lodge]

10-4

Alwell. Heres to hoping. That music was really well done. You could hear the bass in the Roost. Felt the bass in my chest.

[lilac swan]

For future events I'm sure another playlist will be on though

[vocal shard]

so... who knows the odds of vr chat getting more favorite spots for avatars?

[still lark]

pretty slim

[vocal shard]

yeah.

rip

[still lark]

rip?

[vocal shard]

idk

im tired

[odd beacon]

A tutorial on how to sync the visuals and the music would be pretty cool

[steady sun]

is there an option to remove the colored border around the names?

[rough pulsar]

Sadly no, although there's small but growing support for changing it so the rank colours are only on the user profile panel instead of the tags.

[steady sun]

thank you for the answer! i really hope itll be changed to at least that. it really destroys my confidence, as a person with a grey border.

[floral aspen]

you can always choose the appear as user option to switch it back to the old green color

[vocal shard]

you can just hide nameplate altogether but that's the closest you can get to "remove" the borders 🤷

dude

ignore that border

just do your stuff

[umbral reef]

Would the small group supporting it be larger if i yelled about it more?

[vocal shard]

if people care enough to judge you based on your border then they are not worth hanging out with in the first place

[umbral reef]

Like if i yell for 5 peeps- Does that count?

[steady sun]

i cant seem to bring my self to. im a shy guy

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard it still happens a shit ton 👏

[vocal shard]

i know

[steady sun]

earlier

[vocal shard]

just ignore them

[quartz basin]

I like my borders! They keep the meanies away.

[umbral reef]

From the few hours i played it was fairly badly

[vocal shard]

and talk with decent people

[steady sun]

if its a grey border. i can talk to them no problem

[umbral reef]

And im a basic user

Only time peeps trust me is when i show my pillow shit and ect to other peeps

And they want to see it non cucked

[vocal shard]

i'm a known user and i've been playing for 1 year, trusted doesnt mean anything

[steady sun]

i made a bunch of friends earlier with the grey border. then some purple went to us and told us to piss off and dropped the n bomb

[umbral reef]

Im a basic user :4head:

[vocal shard]

i'm in a discord where people will report and give you a warning when they find crashers/stealers/ obnoxious players/

like 90% of the reports are for trusted users

so go figures

[steady sun]

what are crashers again?

[vocal shard]

people that use some exploits to crahs your game

[steady sun]

ohhh i see thanks

[vocal shard]

making you lose 20 seconds of your time

and give you a nice log file so you can report them and get them banned

nice trade for you in the end.

[steady sun]

lmao thats neat feature

[undone perch]

How do they avoid crashing themselves?

That seems like something that would stop them from doing it

[vocal shard]

without going into details

you can kinda make stuff appear only for others

so you don't get affected by the crash stuff

particles, shader and mesh crash are the most common on

[undone perch]

fix:
make it so everyone sees the same stuff

[umbral reef]

But there are some dumbass crashers that crash themself 😂

[vocal shard]

particle crash can be remvoed with the particle limiter

shader with the shader safety

[floral aspen]

wow, someone hire DragonArmada

[vocal shard]

and mesh crash usually use an animation to make it appear

[floral aspen]

he fixed the problem

[vocal shard]

so disable animation in the safety

and you are done.

[undone perch]

I won't work for exposure

[steady sun]

eh it would decrease performance for someone with a potato if you made it like that

[undone perch]

fair point, then at least make it so you have to render your own player model

[umbral reef]

Dragon- Trust me- if it was that easy it would have been done already lmao

[floral aspen]

You can only go so far to accommodate for potato pc's before you gimp your game

[umbral reef]

Its not how unity works

[floral aspen]

^

[steady sun]

^^

[undone perch]

^^^

[twin jacinth]

^^^^

[median basalt]

Shaders can choose to do something else after a certain distance

You can't prevent that without taking away freedom

[ivory folio]

and meshes can be parented to the head so they don't render for the user

[opaque hawk]

@vocal shard I believe I ran into you the other day. It was nice to see you

[uncut trail]

How you guys do it getting over jealously even when in a relationship in vrchat ?

Even being clingy as hell ?

[still lark]

Was the relationship started in VRChat?

[rigid crescent]

You asked this before and got answers.

[uncut trail]

Yes

[rigid crescent]

You just don't be jealous. E z clap

Talk the person. Just like any other relationship.

[hasty wedge]

step 1

stop being a 3DPD

[quartz basin]

Quiet! The dot is speaking!

[undone perch]

the dot is secretly a flea

[still lark]

@hasty wedge You're gonna have to explain that.

[hasty wedge]

no

my holy words are done

i go now

🏃 ミ

[still lark]

Thankfully? lol

[uncut trail]

sigh i hate myself

[rigid crescent]

Oh well.

You got advice. Take it or don't. In my experience people don't

[undone perch]

What does 3DPD mean

[rigid crescent]

3D Pig Disgusting.

[quartz basin]

Try to convince someone that he's living an unhealthy live and that he totally should change his way of living.

[uncut trail]

;(

[rigid crescent]

Well there's being jealous or clingy nd there's having tons of bad habits and lifestyles. That's not the same.

[umbral reef]

Convince? Nah it's all about using force

[rigid crescent]

Talk to the person about it. Its not hard.

[quartz basin]

If talking doesn't work, use fat shaming.

[still lark]

Communication is one of the best things to have in a relationship.

[umbral reef]

But yea
Peeps can't read minds and not even body language only so speaking is the only thing you can do

[uncut trail]

Well i tired and she said im always around her 24/7 cause we both hang out with same friends every day

[rigid crescent]

Ok so don't be.

[vocal shard]

@opaque hawk what ? where ? who ?

[uncut trail]

Too late zhe broke up from 7 month relationship

[vocal shard]

the guy in the dance group ?

[quartz basin]

3D woman are not important.

[uncut trail]

Its hard for me though due to disability

[rigid crescent]

Oh ok

[quartz basin]

Then just don't have a relationship. Disregard woman, acquire currency

[languid beacon]

That doesn’t sound like a relationship, that sounds like infatuation and unhealthy obsession

It ended seven months ago, move on

[uncut trail]

No i mesn we were together for 7 month in vrchat and also in irl :(

[languid beacon]

Well you can’t control other people if they’re not into you anymore than they’re not and you just have to respect that

[steady sun]

never had any experience with those kinds of stuff but yeah i see it as infatuation, honestly.

[quartz basin]

That's even worse. Relationship in VRchat? Nothing good comes out of that.

[vocal shard]

i have only 1 example to counter that

a friend of mine met a girl in vrchat

they became really good friends

one thing led to another and they are boyfriend/girlfriend now
she lived in Denmark and he lived in Finland so they went to see each other IRL

2 months ago he decided to go live with her in denmark

and he proposed to her some weeks ago

🤷

[quartz basin]

He fell for it. What an idiot.

[vocal shard]

[languid beacon]

Well I’m with a girl that I met in Second Life and we eventually moved together in real life and now we both ditched that game and play VRchat instead lol

[hasty wedge]

I'm with my little sister

[twin jacinth]

Oof marrying within a year that's jumping the gun

Or even less?

[still lark]

Adeon, Just wait till you get married and move to a different game!

[languid beacon]

Not sure who that’s directed at

[twin jacinth]

Svels friend

[still lark]

fixed. lol

[vocal shard]

yeah

happened in like a year

they ain't going to marry soon

[rough pulsar]

Sometimes it can happen that fast and work out just fine, sometimes not.
People are complex and human relationships are too.

[still lark]

Everyone works differently.

[twin jacinth]

I can't see myself getting married at all but that's just me, live my life and then settle down, maybe.
Yeah true that Gallium

[still lark]

Just you wait.

[twin jacinth]

Marriage is just a waste of money xD

[vocal shard]

i'm slowly getting there tbh.

wanting to get married and all that stuff

[glossy wharf]

svel

a vr marriage

do it

marry some pixels

do it

[vocal shard]

[still lark]

Marry some thicc anime grill, that's hopefully not a trap.

[glossy wharf]

Marry a trap instead

switch it up in the bedroom

[vocal shard]

[still lark]

Literally switch.

[twin jacinth]

How old are you Svel?

Autocorrect plz

[still lark]

At least 5.

[umbral reef]

Svel is a full 13 years

[twin jacinth]

Damn

[hasty wedge]

svel turned 13 only like 4 months ago

[glossy wharf]

@vocal shard

tell them your age old man

[quartz basin]

I'm just waiting until Elon Musk is creating genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership.

That guy is onto something.

[umbral reef]

He is a weeb so

[vocal shard]

i'm 25

i'm not that old, cmonnruh

[still lark]

so old!

[quartz basin]

25 is pretty much pension tier.

[vocal shard]

[still lark]

get out of here old timer!

[muted frost]

ancient

[umbral reef]

There there grandpa

[quartz basin]

How are you enjoying life, grandpa?

[vocal shard]

[still lark]

Hey gramps!

[vocal shard]

watching tv and going for a 10 minutes walk* is fun, m'kay

[umbral reef]

Oi don't get to angry else ya will pull a muscle

[still lark]

Need a lift there pops?

[undone perch]

10 minutes of what

[quartz basin]

Why are old people always so angry?!

[undone perch]

its those damn gen z kids ruining the economy

[vocal shard]

@quartz basin sorry, my memory isnt what it used to be, i tend to forget some words

[glossy wharf]

Gramps thats enough internet for today back to bed with you

[modern sand]

#general-media

[glossy wharf]

FUCK

[quartz basin]

Oh no!

[vocal shard]

wow

[quartz basin]

RUN!

[glossy wharf]

WE DID IT AGAIN

[vocal shard]

that's spooky

[glossy wharf]

did we actually just get dooted

[undone perch]

oh no the sauce

[hasty wedge]

[undone perch]

I CAN'T FIND THE DOOT WHAT IS THIS SORCERY

[languid beacon]

Wow I think I’m the oldest one here

32, three days ago

[vocal shard]

oldest i saw here was a 40+ guy

a real idiot too

[languid beacon]

I feel better now thx

[vocal shard]

omega is 35 i believe

[tropic bolt]

Nice i dont feel old turning 22 in a month

[vocal shard]

he post here sometimes

[glossy wharf]

i know a few people in their 30s

so ur fine

also #general-media

ruuubick will doot us again

[vocal shard]

I am old I am 43 🤣

[glossy wharf]

hes watching

hes gonna doot us

run

[vocal shard]

👏

[languid beacon]

I wish I was 22 with vr just coming out my eyes are gonna be useless by the time vr gets perfect

[tropic bolt]

Lmao

Imagine vr in 2050

The dream is no more screen door effect

[languid beacon]

Well I have an astigmatism so I can’t see the screen door living the dream I guess

[tropic bolt]

Hmm gonna google that, never heard of it

[languid beacon]

Bad vision on one axis only

In my case vertical blur but very sharp horizontally

Both eyes

[tropic bolt]

So you dont have any screendoor effect whatsoever?

[languid beacon]

Well no my vision is too bad to see individual pixels lol

[vocal shard]

dude is made to live in VR

[languid beacon]

Low end vr sure. All I care about is getting better FoV

[undone perch]

the new oculus is said to have eye tracking, so that might work

I don't know how but it might

[tropic bolt]

Just give me wow in vr with no screen door effect

[languid beacon]

Eyebtracking won’t give you more FoV though

[ruby needle]

Eye tracking is for the varifocal things afaik

[undone perch]

oh

oh no the sauce

[languid beacon]

Man maybe I am a little lucky everyone obsess over this screen door effect

[undone perch]

it is pretty bad

[glossy wharf]

ive never had the screendoor effect

cause of my massive nose

[undone perch]

there's also that thing you mentioned earlier where you could feel stuff in VR, unless I'm remembering wrong

[languid beacon]

I saw it a little on dk2 but I see nothing on oculus cv1

As far as I was seeing it they fixed it

[glossy wharf]

phantom sense is what people call it

afaik

or something like that

[undone perch]

OH AFAIK STANDS FOR AS FAR AS I KNOW

[rough pulsar]

The main thing eye tracking will help with is Foveated rendering.

[undone perch]

I HAVE LEARNED

[languid beacon]

Rift just looks like a portal

A blurry portal

[glossy wharf]

i just want eye tracking so the person im talking to knows im staring at the anime tiddies and not their face

[undone perch]

I need to get my school done so I can get on VRChat and try the ps4 thingy

goodbye for the next 8 hours

[median basalt]

They ran a test a while ago, eye tracking greatly reduced instances of people talking over each other

It helps a lot with body language

[glossy wharf]

i mean it helps identify who people are talking to

[undone perch]

that sounds incredible, and doesn't the headset have sensors on the front for something?

[glossy wharf]

so yea

[undone perch]

wait what's the new headset gonna be called I need to know

[vocal shard]

we don't know

[glossy wharf]

i think the oculus one is called halfdome

[rough pulsar]

That's the codename

[vocal shard]

isnt that his prototype name ?

[glossy wharf]

yeah thats enough to find info on it

[rough pulsar]

The Oculus Quest's codename was Santa Cruz

[glossy wharf]

Lets take the oculus go

[ruby needle]

yeah the prototype name is halfdome but the release name unknown yet. I'd just make it rift 2 honestly

[vocal shard]

It uses mobile processors tho

Or is this a new new headset?

[rough pulsar]

Then you'd get into moronic naming wars like the ps3 and xbox 360

[ruby needle]

we're not talking about the mobile ones, no

[languid beacon]

So we know if they are changing their sensor technology?

[rough pulsar]

Oculus seem pretty commited to CV-based tracking, for better or worse.

[languid beacon]

I want full body. But if hybrid is not possible on rift 2 I’ll probably go full vive instead

[vocal shard]

isnt cv tracking a good thing ?

[rough pulsar]

It varies

[vocal shard]

for what ? i never had any issue with it by playing normally

so i honestly dont know what's wrong with it

[median basalt]

Well, I think the Vive tracking is a lot better because the lighthouses don't need any USB slots.

[rough pulsar]

Benefits include a lack of any moving parts, but downsides include requiring a data connection to the PC and the resolution limit happens sooner

[ruby needle]

@median basalt that doesnt make it better

[median basalt]

It kinda does though

If I had a Vive I could put a third tracker just about anywhere

But I'm very limited now that it has to connect to my PC

[ruby needle]

it doesn't make the tracking better wor worse, just more convenient setup wise

oculus could build a box that does the calculations if they really wanted.

[rough pulsar]

At small scales lighthouse tracks better anyway, but that's getting too far into specifics.

[languid beacon]

As someone who has oculus rift with vive trackers I must say, oculus tracking feels superior in all respects

[ruby needle]

tho, if the halfdome comes with the full body skeleton tracking everybody is gonna love them for having that tracking system

[rough pulsar]

Point is that CV based tracking has upsides and downsides

[ruby needle]

every system has.

[vocal shard]

if halfdome is proper full body, usable in vrchat

i'll get it

without any hesitation

[languid beacon]

Oh man if it has full body I’m sold

[ruby needle]

multi ple angle camera tracking plus the adata the headset already sends with controllers can be relly good i belive

[languid beacon]

As long as it feels as good as vive trackers

[undone perch]

I'm saving up for it now

[ruby needle]

unlike "just" the kinect its not a single angle plus it has the other hmd data to work with

[rough pulsar]

Depends on latency

kinect tracking has horrific latency

[languid beacon]

Yeah any latency at all is a deal breaker for me after seeing kinect

[ruby needle]

kinect is old and outdated and not build for this kind of aplication anyway

[rough pulsar]

What

the kinect was built for body tracking

[undone perch]

I don't care if it's $100 o $1000 I'm going to get the halfdome

[ruby needle]

yes but not this scale and usage scenario?

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, not for VR but that was it's intended use

[languid beacon]

Yes but I still feel like camera based tracking can’t be as accurate in its subtle precision and micro movements

[undone perch]

and I'm 83% sure it's gonna have full body traking

[vocal shard]

@undone perch probably going to be 2k

tbh

[rough pulsar]

Unless the camera resolution is massive, yeah

[languid beacon]

Without an actual tracker on your feet

[undone perch]

THEN I'LL SAVE 2K

[languid beacon]

It’s gonna be fuzzy logic and smoothing

[vocal shard]

you will also need a PC that can properly run it

[undone perch]

I'm gonna save 4k and get it for a friend

[vocal shard]

and that's going to be a big requirement

[rough pulsar]

which again is another downside of CV tracking, gonna be limited by sensor resolution which will also depend on the data connection to the PC, unless it does processing onboard.

[undone perch]

and another 1k for a pc

[rough pulsar]

Which will push up cost

[undone perch]

My friend already has a good pc

[languid beacon]

Noise reduction is what kills immersion, that’s why kinect sucks and vive trackers don’t

[vocal shard]

also prepare at least 10 usb 3.0 slots for it

[ruby needle]

it saves costs on other parts tho

thats the point

[glossy wharf]

Thanks for saying noise reduction

reminded me i need to order the deluxe audio strap

[rough pulsar]

Depends on if having on-camera processing is cheaper than tracked objects.

[undone perch]

I don't care what it takes I need the thing

Wow lavender tea does reduce stress

[rough pulsar]

And I don't mean at the consumer end, I mean at the R&D and manufacturing side.

[undone perch]

shit I'm gonna fall asleep at the keyboard

[ruby needle]

it's not here yet, unfortunately

[opaque hawk]

@vocal shard beach world I had a reflective cup of tea

[undone perch]

also just an idea but imagine using little things that resemble skating pads on the arms and knees, as well as the feet, and then the controllers work for the hands. then just have it draw a straight line to the respective parts and bam full body traking

[vocal shard]

ohhh yes

[undone perch]

kinda

[vocal shard]

the reflection was quite good in that world

[undone perch]

I saw a company do something like that to solve tracking for a 360 tredmill setup

[opaque hawk]

@ruby needle it was nice to see you the at the beach world too

[ruby needle]

[undone perch]

and like that the chat dies

also this is good pizza

[glossy wharf]

#general-media

[scarlet fox]

i really wanted to have party in vrchat cuz halloween, but ofc everyone has plans ;3; xD

[glossy wharf]

[vocal shard]

[opaque hawk]

Use reflection probes

[undone perch]

any chat is random chat if no one cares

but people care so sure it goes in random chat

[languid beacon]

Are discord nicknames now feature requests? Ok.

[vocal shard]

i just put "send shader" some times ago

and people followed it

so it's apparently a thing now

[languid beacon]

I stopped having send udon because the pictures were making me hungry at work all the time

[undone perch]

I'm downloading the Trinus VR thing now

[subtle prawn]

[opaque hawk]

I just want people to atlas their avatars

[undone perch]

there's a link in random chat, it lets you use the PSVR with steam

[vocal shard]

i have less than 10 materials on all my avatars

most i have is 8

[median basalt]

Almost all of mine have two

[rigid crescent]

My latest has 2, I'm so proud of it.

[median basalt]

Nice

[opaque hawk]

But can have they less than that?

[undone perch]

I don't know what you guys are talking about but congrats you did the thing

[rigid crescent]

It's pretty simple and since it's based on a character I didn't need to do any real customization

If you make your own avatars then i hope you do lol

[still lark]

I could have 1 but I'm keeping 2 for shadow sakes.

only ~9 drawcalls anyway.

[rigid crescent]

I'm usually 10 or less, but sometimes I like to experiment with different shaders. I did knock off one by learning about emission mapping though.

[hasty wedge]

my models have 23 drawcalls

fite me

[still lark]

blocks

[subtle prawn]

eww

[opaque hawk]

If I could I would

[vocal shard]

how do you check your drawcalls ?

[still lark]

Unity's profiler in playmode

[hasty wedge]

lemme tell u the specifics my model has

[vocal shard]

[still lark]

Have only your avatar in the scene, and I think you minus 2 from the setpass calls.

[hasty wedge]

nvm cant copy logs on mobile OMEGALUL

[indigo fern]

Damn, I liked that one

[opaque hawk]

If you run your avatar through cats then you are already 50% done. The new cats atlas feature lets you just combine everything or select things.

So do that and you are at 100%

[still lark]

Don't use cat's atlas wrapper, actually use the plugin. :P

[vocal shard]

i'm confused about that profiler lmao

[opaque hawk]

Yes the plugin

[still lark]

You don't have to use the profiler if you just want draw calls

hit play, hit stats in the top right

[hasty wedge]

Are u telling me my model that has 23 materials 65546 poly 30 cloth components with 4 separated meshes along with dynamic bones for hair and using fur shader for my tail and the highest caliber exclusive 200$ commission from a twitch streamer shader is not optimized? get a better pc lmao

[still lark]

post processing adds calls.

[opaque hawk]

Lol

[still lark]

Actually, you'll want the profiler if you want true draw calls.

[vocal shard]

[opaque hawk]

Also if you have music files on your avatar you probably don’t want it set to decompressed on load

But that isn’t really that common

[rough flax]

@hasty wedge 23 materials is a lot, 30 cloth components used for dynamic bones with 4 meshes even though you're under 65k and a fur shader. You're UNOPTIMIZED

[hasty wedge]

get a better pc

[vocal shard]

lmao

[hasty wedge]

[vocal shard]

he is optimized

you can't blame him if you have shit specs

[still lark]

wooosh? lol

It's Purple, I actually have no idea if he got wooosh'd or not.

[rough flax]

That's not optimized. I've been called unoptimized for being 95k tris, 7 materials, 3 bone scripts affecting I think 23 bones.

[hasty wedge]

EXCUSE ME

95k poly EHERE IS THE OPTIMIZATION

wtf

[rough flax]

Tris don't really affect fps

[hasty wedge]

no shame my dude

[vocal shard]

it does

[near saffron]

Holy!

[rough flax]

Between 50k and 300k is like 3 fps.

[still lark]

Also Purple, you're 3 meshes, PLS

[vocal shard]

lmao purple

tRiS dOeSnT cOuNt

[rough flax]

Face, body and hat. @still lark pls

[vocal shard]

obivously they do

or the sdk would let you upload with 20k+ polys

[still lark]

I know what meshes you have. 😉

[median basalt]

Tris count, they just count very little

[hasty wedge]

my optimized model is the minmax of quality fps but u

[rough flax]

@still lark those are disabled monkaX

[hasty wedge]

ur a mad man with those unoptimized models

[rough flax]

Not sure is trolling or just not smart

[vocal shard]

"Between 50k and 300k is like 3 fps."

okay then

[hasty wedge]

i have over 20k hours on vrc with a masters degree in psychology

[vocal shard]

let me put 10 guys with 300k polys in the same room

enjoy 30 fps drop

[hasty wedge]

my optimization routes are far superior than the majority

[rough flax]

20k hours

[hasty wedge]

and built with hours of mixmaxing with minimum specs

[vocal shard]

20k is nothing tbh

he only "user" too

[rough flax]

Who only user?

[vocal shard]

people with only 20k hours usually

[hasty wedge]

i am a chad whom does not add someone

my friends list is 0

[rough flax]

200 or 2000 hours?

[hasty wedge]

20k

[rough flax]

Your game would have to be on 24/7 to be at 20k

[hasty wedge]

well

ive been playing for 3 years soo...

[still lark]

20k and about 1k ban evading accounts. 😉

[rough flax]

Get that rank up boy. I was trusted before it was a thing

[undone perch]

I've been playing six siege almost religiously for a long time and I'm only at 700 hours what are you doing with your life

[hasty wedge]

RoWOOW

no i dont plan to rank up if it means removing my chad status

[still lark]

Somehow you're veteran, still wondering how.

[vocal shard]

700 hours

[rough flax]

Gotta go for an hour or two now. Bai bai

[vocal shard]

just stop playing my dude

[hasty wedge]

[vocal shard]

that's not a true dedication

[undone perch]

I ENJOY THE GAME

[vocal shard]

not enough apparently

[undone perch]

I just have a lot of school

[vocal shard]

to only have 700 hours

[undone perch]

and it makes me sad

[vocal shard]

school

[hasty wedge]

i have skool too but

[undone perch]

I don't even have all of the operators yet

[vocal shard]

well

[hasty wedge]

sleep the whole day there

[vocal shard]

obviously not

since they cost fucking billions

[undone perch]

also most of the year one ops are bad change my mind

[still lark]

I think 8k would be at max for 3 years.

[hasty wedge]

and use the rest of the 16 hours dedicsting my life to vrchat and mixmaxing optimization routes

[undone perch]

also there's a sale for year one ops, they cost just as much as base game ops until january i believe

[vocal shard]

@still lark use multiple client with the same account to multiply the amount of hours

[still lark]

[hasty wedge]

tfw cant clean ur model list without demoting

[vocal shard]

Anyone from france/corsica?

PM, help needed :c

probably more luck to find people from france in the french channel

Oh, right

[undone perch]

all of the software is installed, and I should have all of the hardware lying around, I'm gonna play VRChat with a PS4 VR

[supple bison]

Drivers: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[undone perch]

please state this again but in non-meme format so I can understand it

also what is a driver, hardware or software?

[twin jacinth]

8760 hours in a year so 3 years would be 26280

Need to have it on 24/7 without disconnects at all but i doubt anyone is near the 26k numbers >.<

[vocal shard]

most i saw was 4k

[twin jacinth]

Most i've seen is 3k

[lunar anchor]

I have 86 🙃

[meager solstice]

Most I’ve seen is 5k

[median basalt]

@hasty wedge I don't know if that's a thing

All I hear is rumors, I cleaned 30 avatars out of my list a while ago and I was fine

[hasty wedge]

das why ur trusted and not veteran

[median basalt]

I was never veteran to begin with

Even before the cleanup

[vocal shard]

maybe you were 99% about to rank up to veteran before cleaning up?

Lol

[median basalt]

Veteran is gone anyway and I don't care about veteran rank

The only reason I care about having trusted is so my stuff isn't blocked by default

[vocal shard]

^

Basically the only reason I would want to rank up to trusted as well

Maybe I should start using an avatar for public world's that embraces standard shaders... 🤔

[hasty wedge]

have a floating sign that says how to turn off sAfEtY mODe

they all have shader blocked

[median basalt]

I'm not gonna bother with accommodating blocked shaders until the fallback system becomes more accessible and reliable

For stuff that looks really broken, I already found a way to add a little disclaimer that only shows up with shaders blocked

[hasty wedge]

u can add images to that?

or u mean just that it invisible

[vocal shard]

Nice rokk.
Think I saw you mentioned that before
Just have a sign like "enable your shaders"

[subtle prawn]

I have limits on all my settings, only way you're getting to me is if I whitelist you

[vocal shard]

[hasty wedge]

[median basalt]

Holy crap

My halloween avatar is 220 MB

It's 31 MB compressed (for download/upload), but that means it takes up 220 MB RAM once loaded

[vocal shard]

go into the pug to crash everyone by just existing

[median basalt]

It's Ultimate VFX's fault

A single prefab can contain 9 textures of 16 MB each, I crunched them

Apparently the size breakdown for worlds is also available for avatars in your logs

[vocal shard]

Jesus

Why tf do you need to make an avatar like that

Holy crap

[median basalt]

Well, there's a pretty large animation on it

And I have like 1 Ultimate VFX prefab on it which caused most of the size bloat

I crunched it and it's a lot smaller now

Probably won't help for VRAM but I can't really fix that

[vocal shard]

Maybe like not destroy vrchat with that lol

...

[umbral nova]

Do what I do, download Vocaloid and make her tell people to unblock your avatar

Ez

[median basalt]

Lmao

[rigid crescent]

The magnitude of triggered from you calling miku Vocaloid is way too high

[vocal shard]

🤔
I just took it as download the vocaloid program, not calling Miku vocaloid..

[umbral nova]

I mean

I'm not calling her Vocaloid lol

I'm saying I got the Vocaloid Editor, her V4 English Voice, and then painfully set up her voice

I had to make the notes 1/64 to at least speak words somewhat properly

[rigid crescent]

but there's english speaking ones that you don't have to slow down

[rough flax]

I only talk to purple+ users.

[rigid crescent]

Because Miku V4, which I assume you're talking about, is still based on a Japanese person speaking english

[undone perch]

I don't understand the hype around anime avatars, why are they so popular?

[opaque hawk]

easy to implement

[undone perch]

yeah but so is a lot of other stuff

[rigid crescent]

anime is popular. they're easily customizable

[undone perch]

but so is a lot of other stuff

[vocal shard]

They have the most support through the community and tutorials. They are easy to customize (probably the biggest reason), and they are one of the few models that can look decent under 20k polygons

[rigid crescent]

Like?

[undone perch]

oh

that's actually a good explination

[rigid crescent]

What's easily customizable as an MMD?

The communities treat them as paper dolls.

[opaque hawk]

more realistic styles don’t look very good under the usual lighting situations made by world creators

[rigid crescent]

plus the whole uncanny valley thing you deal with

[undone perch]

I simply made an assumption that the differences between animation in shows would not prove a problem when creating player models in VR. for example, I figured that a transformer player model would take as long to make as an anime player model of the same size, given that they have the same quality of detail.

[raven silo]

there more anime lover then normal realistic people in vr lol

[rigid crescent]

Oh so you were wrong lol we even said they were easily customizable

[undone perch]

yep

[rigid crescent]

A transformer player model also isn't a naked base. You can slap together something decent looking in about 30 minutes assuming you have all your parts ready

[opaque hawk]

the mmd community has been around for awhile now so there was a lot of content to pull from.

[rigid crescent]

Making a "custom" transformer actually seems pretty hard if you want to get into the logistics of "how would he transform" even if you don't plan on transforming it

[undone perch]

although I'm sure another reason is that the community started with anime player models and has yet to shift way from it

[rigid crescent]

There's plenty of MMDs that only use the TDA Base

[raven silo]

you can learn old way just learn blender

[vocal shard]

MMD is kinda like a custom character maker, since we don't have one in game

It's different than just grabbing an already made model and importing it

[rigid crescent]

It's the easiest format to work with and the most customizable, shifting away would require something to replace that.

[raven silo]

take less 6 month understand blender full

[rigid crescent]

Well, easiest as far as "complete" models

[undone perch]

hey also what does MMD stand for

[rigid crescent]

Miku Miku Dance

[undone perch]

I still don't know what that is

[rigid crescent]

The models were originally for a program to make music videos and sketches using vocaloid models

[raven silo]

@undone perch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D0nkpcwNdc

[vocal shard]

It's a old program to animate vocaloid characters, bit you can also use to to make custom models

[rigid crescent]

MMD is the animation program, PMXE is the customizer

[vocal shard]

Yeah, just summarizing

Pmx or pmd editor

[undone perch]

How easy is it to get the hand of making player models from scratch?

(I'm assuming it's pretty difficult but I want to get into it at some point)

[raven silo]

need understand 3d modeling

and armature

[vocal shard]

Like in blender?
Yeah, you need actual 3d modeling experience. (Another reason MMD is so popular, because most of us don't know how to 3d model)

[raven silo]

there people make google block character use mixamo on them

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/BDSY2/f37638e427.mp4 Here's one I've done with an avatar, but I didn't make the Motion. People tend to share MMD Motions, which are the files that make the model move. It's what a lot of dance animations people use ingame are based off of, and it's what MMD worlds use as well

[undone perch]

right so first I would need to get blender, then make a player model in blender, then what?

[opaque hawk]

There is a bit of a learning curve but you could absolutely make something basic from scratch with just the basics

Basic knowledge

[rigid crescent]

then put Bones in it, then export it as an FBX, then put it into Unity and do the unity work fro mthere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b57MrBGZLMA&feature=youtu.be

[undone perch]

How much detail do I need to add in blender?

[raven silo]

that up to you

[rigid crescent]

As much or as little as you want.

[undone perch]

Like if I wanted a suit and tie would I add that in blender or in unity

[rigid crescent]

Most if not all of the actual modeling is done in Blender

while unity is more for adding bells and whistles, though there's some customization you can do there, the tools are more limited

[raven silo]

suit and tie you find devinart mmd clothes

[rigid crescent]

basically lol

or an XPS, those are nice. usually higher poly if you care about that

[undone perch]

would it be possible to make a player model from scratch in unity? I'm running out of room fast on my pc and I don't want to download blender

[rigid crescent]

No

Unless you want a cube

or a few cubes

[undone perch]

what if I made a cube for each individual pixel?

[opaque hawk]

You could make a nonhumanoid image avatar with just unity

[rigid crescent]

You won't get anything good out of just unity, it's not a modeling program.

[raven silo]

need more Hard drive space if you want make 3d models lol

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, just clear stuff out.

[undone perch]

How much space would I need for blender and about three models?

[rigid crescent]

varies

vastly

[undone perch]

I have about 122 GB left, would that work

oh shit 122 GB i forgot I uninstalled ghost recon

[neon flume]

I think that's more than enough space

[opaque hawk]

That should be fine

[raven silo]

you have enough install blender

and 3 model

[undone perch]

great last two questions where do I go to get blender and where are tutorials

[rigid crescent]

122gb is more than enough space for literally dozens if not hundreds of mdoels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b57MrBGZLMA&feature=youtu.be for non-anime models

[neon flume]

My last avatar's folder was 300MB iirc but that's because I store the textures as atlased, unatlased, and probably have a scattering of photoshop files in there.

[raven silo]

https://www.blender.org/

[undone perch]

thanks

[raven silo]

@undone perch https://www.blender.org/support/tutorials/

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, my files are so poorly organized. I have multiples of a lot of textures, materials, etc

[undone perch]

Oh it's free

I forgot about that

[neon flume]

Atlasing has helped a ton. I go from the usual 10-20 original materials to 1-2, plus emission maps. Much easier to keep track of textures.

[opaque hawk]

Not trying to sound condescending, but do you guys make any custom parts? I’m trying to find people who do.

[rigid crescent]

I've been looking into it, but I do know a few people who do

just gotta find a time when i'm not feeling lazy

[neon flume]

If by custom part you mean a blender doughnut I can do that 🙃

I'm just dipping my feet into it now, learning how to UV unwrap and shape the meshes. Still baffles me

[rigid crescent]

UV Mapping is suuuuch a good thing to know, you can really up the customization of even a simple MMD upload with it

[opaque hawk]

It’s got a learning cliff for sure. uv stuff still escapes me

[neon flume]

Yess, I can't believe I didn't know how to do it before.

[rigid crescent]

For MMDs, mapping can be weird because they're typically pre-mapped and it's not bad, just not mapped well for us. That's why yo usee a lot of arms that cut off halfway on the top-middle

[opaque hawk]

I generally separate meshes and do uv decals

[rigid crescent]

and the faces are mirrored, etc.

[undone perch]

so many words I don't know, what have I gotten myself into

[rigid crescent]

yeah, to be honest anything not in the old tupper video i learned via google

literally "how do i join meshes" 'how do i split meshes" "how do i uv map" "how do i close this weird extra window i opened and keep multiplying"

"how do i parent bones" etc, it's all just via google searches and the blender tutorials

[neon flume]

The tutorials where they show their keyboard shortcuts they're using are the most helpful. Otherwise it just looks like magic.

[rigid crescent]

oh i never usually watch video tutorials unless it's directly related to VRChat

[neon flume]

I prefer text but it seems like they're becoming more rare. At least I have trouble finding text tutorials for the things I want to do.

[native geyser]

@opaque hawk were you looking for people who do custom stuff for a question or just curious?

Because there are plenty of users making their own stuff

[vocal shard]

Oof... Idk if the copy paste doesn't work then. Sorry

[opaque hawk]

@native geyser both

[median basalt]

How did these shitty maps ever get featured

Map that has bugged teleport colliders so you can't climb on the button that says "climb"

[umbral nova]

Featured or Community Spotlight?

I know Featured is for worlds made by the VRC Team for use as a main hub

[opaque hawk]

I think I may know what map you are talking about

[native geyser]

Akalink, if you have questions about modeling I suggest #3d-modeling as far as people who make stuff, “hi I make stuff”

[opaque hawk]

Thanks

[languid beacon]

With just unity you can get anything you can find on the unity asset store. Which is not much for free, lol

But for cheap they have some better basic building blocks..

But you won’t get anything organic

Good for robots?

You can even make humanoid robotic models if you set them up the right way.

[pseudo shore]

Hi

[vocal shard]

Hello

[undone perch]

I got blender and I watched the video but I instantly forgot everything someone save me

[junior root]

Good evening

[opaque hawk]

Watch it again but pause it and follow along

[junior root]

What vid

[undone perch]

scroll up it's the first youtube link you see

I just want to know how to change the cube to the diamond thing and how to manipulate the diamond thing

[rigid crescent]

basically keep watching it til you get it

[undone perch]

the things are done fast but I'll get it eventually. In the mean time I can work on concept art, I'm gonna start with the mask.

[rigid crescent]

i wouldn't expect anything that detailed for a long time

it takes a long time to actually be able to make something that even resembles a person, especially if you're starting from zero knowledge. you'll probably just be looking at robots and little characters made from shapes for a while

[undone perch]

I'm going to do it and I'm going to do it fast

and also I need to get up at 10:00pm so I can actually get some peace and quite while working

[junior root]

Ok. I'll check it out

If I get time. It's too long for me to watch now

[lusty flicker]

Hey dose anyone know where I can get an SCP-049 avater at?

[queen mango]

Through the SCP 087 map

[lusty flicker]

OK thank you 😋

[serene talon]

yo just saying we should spam MODS and tell them we want a permanent edition of Halloween party PUG

[queen mango]

Just don't spam. The mods don't like getting spammed with the same request from the same user

[small wing]

🤔

I think anyone would dislike that. not just the mods.

also i can't open this candy and its triggering me

but look at this https://youtu.be/RPjId7EBD7M?t=718

screen space reflections in vr is FINALLY here and im no longer upset.

[sterile drift]

Yus

And nice

Also the candy part is oof

[small wing]

i finally got it open

just had to sell my soul to satan is all

👌

[serene talon]

maybe spam was the wrong word

[queen mango]

Oh?

[light pivot]

mm, api down for me, couldnt change world and then after restarting cant log in

[light pivot]

Back up

[compact river]

Wow ok people selling me again

Ok

Tis is fine 🔥

[fast laurel]

Is anyone having really long load times with legit everything tonight?

[queen mango]

It could be an issue regarding connection speed.
Sometimes, I connect in less thans 20 seconds. Other times, 7 minutes.

[vocal shard]

It's been like that since some time for me

It takes a couple minutes to download a 50mb world.

not enough to take my headset off, but enough for me to quit jumping worlds.

[small wing]

Anyone know how the mixer works with voices in a world?

I kinda wanted to experiment with putting lowpass filters in local space within certain rooms to simulate muffled voices in another room next door to you.

[steady sun]

Why do I have a yellow exclamation mark on my screen? I'm sure it's a notification, but I don't know where to open it.

ok nevermind oh my gosh im a new user now :0

[vocal shard]

you can now upload your own worlds and avatars

[oak phoenix]

What could cause a custom model to only t-pose

[vocal shard]

no animation set and/or non set as humanoid

[oak phoenix]

I'm pretty sure I had it set that way, hmm

[median basalt]

Or you put the avatar descriptor on your body @oak phoenix

Instead of your main model

Needs an animator component with "avatar" property set, and needs to be configured as humanoid

[small wing]

@compact river I would never sell you 🅱

i was talkin about that dank RnB album i was listening to. 🔥

[gilded valley]

someone is good with the website bowlroll? i dont find the password to download for some models and its in jp :x

[vocal shard]

do not post your question in multiple channels, thanks

[shy nest]

just google translate like the rest of the non japanese speaking people

[gilded valley]

trying but i am so lost x.x

[small wing]

Keep trying, it will make you used to it.

👌

[twin jacinth]

Google translate is shit for getting an accurate translation though

Simple words might work but when sentences comes in its usually a big no

[still lark]

Better than Microsoft apparently

[quartz basin]

It's not translating with 100% accuracy but it gives you atleast context.

[rigid crescent]

I've done passwords with google translate just fine

It's really simple

[small wing]

Just learn Japanese lol.

[gilded valley]

mh

[rigid crescent]

Just Google translate it, e z

[gilded valley]

https://bowlroll.net/file/173017 tried everything but i am so lost xD

[rigid crescent]

Cause odds are that's what anyone else here will do.

[small wing]

You say you're lost but you are playing ArcheAge on discord and i can see it 😉

dont be lazy 🅱

[rigid crescent]

Lol

[twin jacinth]

https://translate.google.no/#ja/en/じゅふぉと申します

This gives literaly no context

It's supossed to translate: My name is jufo

it might work in other situation but to set an example of how weird it can act i wrote my name in Hiragana instead in romaji/katakana but it still acts up a bit if you write it in romaji/katakana

[small wing]

Jufo seems to know a bit

maybe you might just get the passcode

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid crescent]

Then how do I get my passwords

If Google isn't good enough

[small wing]

either way though i dont understand why people do the mmd route most the time for avatars. its literally more a hassle than making your own from scratch when you have to jump through crap tons of hurdles.

[rigid crescent]

It's not

[twin jacinth]

I'm just saying it's not reliable, it might work in some cases but it was just to show how it can act up on simple things

[rigid crescent]

It's 100% the easiest way.

For a highly customized model.

Where did you get that false info from? Lol.

[small wing]

"Customized"

[rigid crescent]

Yes. It's a paper doll.

[small wing]

I think its time i ignore this conversation entirely.

[rigid crescent]

Compared to a person from scratch? Significantly easier.

What's not customized about it? I'm curious.

[small wing]

I never even stated "custom" in my arguement lmao

boom

now back to what i was saying.

[rigid crescent]

I'm explaining why it's easier and why people do it most of the time for avatars.

That's why

"Boom"

[small wing]

anyone else feeling the love today?

Its great.

[twin jacinth]

Takes way to much time to translate that for a random person, i'd do it if it was for myself

[rigid crescent]

Same.

[small wing]

Understandable.

[rigid crescent]

Well not the time part, it's just easy id all

[quartz basin]

just for comparison on the commission market. A customized mmd model costs around 30$ while a new one from scratch costs around 250$

[twin jacinth]

wrote that 2 times lol i'm tired

[small wing]

A lot of people never get the chance to realize how much of a enjoyable experience and accomplishment it is to make their own avatar completely start to finish without cutting any corners and using any other sources. Its a shame so many people are so eager to play, but never eager enough to learn and grow from the barriers vrchat gives them.

[rigid crescent]

Oh it's a personal thing.

[small wing]

What im saying is it urks me to see so many overused assets when we have been given the chance to make so much more, but for some reason a lot of people are afraid to dive in.

[rigid crescent]

Makes sense.

[quartz basin]

I'm just playing autistic simulator. No need to invest hours for one model.

[rigid crescent]

Your opinion on how you feel about it is totally fine and valid but don't try and say mmd are more of a hassle and that you have to jump through tons of hurdles. It's really as simple as finding a base, hitting a couple buttons to resize and attach clothes, and uploading it. Comparatively you'd need dozens if not more hours studying a 3d modeling program for nothing more than to have a character for a videogame.

Yes ita technically easier to make a couple generic shapes and slap them together as some kind of robot but that's not the goal of most players.

Most people want a humanoid paper doll. It's the easiest to customize or even simply modify existing models, which covers your "why people do the mmd route for avatars"

But like I said, being personally against it is a genuinely fine stance to take, but it's plain as day why people do it.

[vocal shard]

Sorry, just got here, but this comment doesn't make sense to me if we're looking at it from face value...
"i dont understand why people do the mmd route most the time for avatars. its literally more a hassle than making your own from scratch when you have to jump through crap tons of hurdles"

Most average people can take an MMD model, mix and match parts so it looks somewhat unique, change the textures and have it up and in game with animations in under an hour..... Starting from scratch can take days just to get the model designed and rigged... That's before putting it in unity and doing all the other stuff...
I just confused at that statement

[native geyser]

I understand why a lot of players use them. There is a huge library of pre-existing content and clothing/accessories made for them. Still wish more people would take the time to learn to make their own stuff since we are given the tools to do so.

[quartz basin]

Doesn't make any sense to do that when VRM is right around the corner.

[native geyser]

I don’t see how that should stop people from learning. Doesn’t matter how good that may be in the future, there is no better customization than building your own.

[gilded valley]

na was open on a second screen

kinda figured out how to get on passwords 😛

[native geyser]

But I guess this is comparing people who buy fancy cars to gear heads at this point

[rigid crescent]

It's really not lol

It's more like "why don't you sew your own clothes"

[vocal shard]

i know how to make a model from different part, without any problem whatsoever

but making one from scratch ?

i'm nowhere close to that level

[rigid crescent]

It's time consuming, intimidating, and without lots of experience the end result won't even look or mechanically be a fraction as nice as one premade.

[gilded valley]

tbh i want to play the game more than sitting for weeks to do something from scratch :x

[rigid crescent]

Yep.

[native geyser]

The difference being failing to make your own clothes will cost you quite a lot. Failing to model will only cause you time and you’ll still learn from it

[rigid crescent]

Spending weeks to learn and accomplish it just for it not tonlook good.

[gilded valley]

most people dont have the time :x

[rigid crescent]

Cloth isn't that expensive. Time is also a commodity.

[gilded valley]

there is a reason why some people pay 200-1000€/$ for a avatar cus they dont have time cus thy work a lot^^

[twin jacinth]

No time, but money = buy
no money, but time = make

Don't want to invest 100-500 dollars into a custom avatar = make

[rigid crescent]

I mean just not wanting to is also a valid reason

[twin jacinth]

Yeah dont want to do either of those above
get a public avatar or get 1 free from the internet

[native geyser]

I’m not saying everyone should make their own stuff. Just that more should try.

[rigid crescent]

I've done a few for people who would rather pay than learn.

And seen people pay others for the same reason.

[modern sand]

I agree, more should try, even for some parts, not necessarily the entire model

[signal wren]

My model is backwords when I upload it from unity but in both blender and unity they are faceing the right way?

[modern sand]

In blender, press ctrl + a and chose apply rotation

[opaque hawk]

I’m a little late to the conversation, but I think to many people have anything customized to some degree is enough. It could be a simple as retexture all the way to made from scratch. I don’t believe looking down upon people for choosing to rely on parts and bases is wise decision. It’s a slippery slope, it’s something I personally struggle with to. I’d rather enable the community to build awesome stuff and encourage them to start making stuff from scratch than condemn them for relying on parts and bases.

[vocal shard]

^

[grave dagger]

The fact that we can have player made content of this magnitude in 2018 is already impressive enough as it is since usually lawyers shut it down for Intellectual Property reasons or griefers abuse it till they have to disable everything.

[signal wren]

Thers nothing named apply rotation

I only see apply all modifiers.

[opaque hawk]

I guess to Segway. I’m starting to upload some of my original props and other misc parts to deviantart. When and if I finish this world I’m making, I’ll upload the kit to deviantart as well.

[modern sand]

@signal wren

[signal wren]

i did do that lol

[modern sand]

Cool, so you got it

[signal wren]

Let me just show you a pic

lol

I'v never had this happen before

https://imgur.com/a/N0xi9UX

I have no idea whats going on with the rigging

[native geyser]

Looks like the limbs may have their “left” and “right” mixed up. I had this happen to me a bit ago and it had me tripped up for days trying to figure it out

[signal wren]

They are messed up

I just checked

they are reservsed

[meager solstice]

Atleast u know the problem now

[signal wren]

yes

I'v been working on this for 24 hours

LOL

[meager solstice]

Dang, I’ve had models like that as well, the struggle is real sometimes

[signal wren]

Yeah never had such a bad rigging issue tho

[meager solstice]

All my models have some sort of issue with rigging usually ranging from bad to really bad

[native geyser]

Yeah it took someone standing over me telling me the hands are backwards to understand the problem was so simple

[signal wren]

lol

[warm monolith]

Hi everyone! I'm new on VR!

[neon flume]

hello! Welcome to VR

[warm monolith]

thx

[neon flume]

Did you just get a headset?

[warm monolith]

a what?

[neon flume]

Oh, I mean is this your first time trying out VR?

[warm monolith]

yep

i search how to get a avatar and tbh i don't understand a damn thing can u explain everything to me how to we get avatar?(btw i use my steam acount i tried to creat a vr account but didn't work)

[neon flume]

You'll definitely want to make a VRChat account, this will eventually let you upload avatars once you get permissions. In the meantime you can visit avatar worlds (it's on the world panel tab) to pick avatars that you like!

[modern sand]

You should look at the pinned items in all the avatar related channels, and follow tutorials.

[umbral reef]

Almost all tutorials are out of date by now
The things that get explained there are being done way diffrent and more effective
Sad there isnt a proper new uptodate tutorial right now

[modern sand]

The general "uploading an avatar to vrchat" hasn't changed though

[umbral reef]

Well the basic gimick of getting things online has not
But for most avatars, rigging up a blinking animation has changed with the legacy animations
And by now Cats can be used to a big extend for the annoying works for new users

[modern sand]

If there's new up to date tutorials, i don't mind pinning them

[vocal shard]

good to know

[umbral reef]

Well @median basalt better get going 👀

[fleet flicker]

Just a small number seem dated really. That happens in time here but even some of the starter ones still work. VRC is a helpful community in general so i dont think anyone would have too much trouble finding out what they need so long as they are willing to learn.

[vocal shard]

guy can you help me ?

ask your question instead of asking to ask

I can not publish my avatar there is written : you cannot edit your vr chat data while the unity application is running

what should I do ?

[modern sand]

Press pause at the top of the window

[vocal shard]

ok

thank you !

[vocal shard]

holy hell

just made a model out of a toilet

[sullen escarp]

genius

[vocal shard]

it can noscope people

[sullen escarp]

🤔

[vocal shard]

and has nut button eyes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465531346249580565/507637729740455946/VRChat_1920x1080_2018-11-01_19-29-10.588.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465531346249580565/507637740473548812/VRChat_1920x1080_2018-11-01_19-27-40.482.png

ive evolved as a 3d modeller

👏

[sterile drift]

Why must you do this

[sullen escarp]

you might want to play with the lighting or coloring for the toilet, it's a little bit hard to tell what it is unless you know it's a toilet

[opaque hawk]

beautiful

[sterile drift]

I mean

They're in THE BOX

That place has no lighting