what's happening in this
#vrchat-general-2
rigid crescent
umbral reef
And how is that proof of someone hacking into his acc aka having his password and ect instead of just copying with an client?
subtle prawn
As Ruuubick would say
"RuuubickYesterday at 11:12 PM
You can send an email to moderation@vrchat.com including proof"
vocal shard
this doesnt prove anything
sterile drift
Someone is using his account actually
vocal shard
it's just some randoms saying "what the fuck" again and again
sterile drift
The person he's looking at is using his account as well.
sterile drift
Idk either but lol
vocal shard
doesnt mean he got hacked in vrchat
rigid crescent
My guess
umbral reef
Lone- You know how far hacked clients can go?
vocal shard
some dude probably figured out his password or some shit
umbral reef
Far as fuck within this game
rigid crescent
someone made an accound with weird type of letter that doesn't show up in the name
sterile drift
Yea pretty far
rigid crescent
my friend does that
sterile drift
^
rigid crescent
his name was Shiino and our friend's name was Shiino. certain weird letter types or whatever just show up as blank in the username
someone probably just invited him as a prank
sterile drift
Wasn't there a period in VRChat where you could use rich text within your username?
rigid crescent
I mean it's worth reporting just in case but probably not
Yeah i knew someone with a crazy name
sterile drift
I mean you could even have a colored username too
rigid crescent
yeah, this isn't proof of much unless the logs show otherwise
sterile drift
Probably
rigid crescent
but hopefully they don't get someone banned who was just pulling a (possibly staged) prank
sterile drift
But even then he could be staging it
rigid crescent
I mean it could be staged by him or a friend messing around.
sterile drift
It is possible for 2 clients using the same account to appear in the same room too.
rigid crescent
oh does that work
sterile drift
yea
uncut trail
We need two-way account auth maybe now ?
rigid crescent
oh wait, it's a purple name so it's not an alt unless it's that dedicated of one but i doubt it
umbral reef
There is no proof, no proper suggestion even on how to do it and so on that the servers have been compromised
rigid crescent
can you log into the same account on two different clients though?
sterile drift
Yea
rigid crescent
whaaaat
sterile drift
I did it a few times
rigid crescent
that's cool
umbral reef
At max the fella's password got leaked by himself or his actions instead of the game
sterile drift
One that's a VR window and one that's a Desktop window
sterile drift
Idk
ivory folio
it kills your cpu and gpu
sterile drift
^That too
rigid crescent
oh duh, you're rending the game a million times at that point
rigid crescent
and the guy was obviously on desktop
yeah normally i'm all for "yea report it" but this seems like a prank/staged
uncut trail
No prank or staged
rigid crescent
proof?
vocal shard
that clip isnt proof enough, sorry
rigid crescent
I'm not saying he shouldn't report it via logs, but it seems like something easy to stage
by all means, he should send the video with the report, they'll know exactly what to look for.
keen mesa
have vrchat devs ever heard of .net AppDomains and assembly permission control?
vrchat will not last without custom scripting
people will flow to other vr games, and with them the creators
vrchat has received 5.2 million dollars in investments over the past 3 years
use them wisely to fix the game
time is running
rigid crescent
that money was used to shuffle around the menu buttons to confuse people
languid beacon
I’m pretty sure you can no longer multi-log in with the same account / make clone logins of you @sterile drift
languid beacon
Let me know!
median basalt
I tried it after the trust system was officially released and it worked then.
languid beacon
You wouldn’t be banned. that kind of thing could be done accidentally
median basalt
This was when full body was broken. I think the only patch since then was the full body fix.
I take back what I said then though, there was actually a SteamVR issue preventing the trackers from working correctly then
ruby needle
this doesn't nesseseirly have to be implemented client side
median basalt
It was just badly timed with the update, although the update also had FBT issues
languid beacon
Actually it has FBT fixes that people simply disagreed with heh
The new IK as of trust system update is superior imho but some disagree
works good on my avie ¯_(ツ)_/¯
keen mesa
just scrap the whole game and rebuild it
rigid crescent
oh, i have to launch it another way than the steam thing
too lazy
lol scrap the whole game
keen mesa
this time without hacking asset store packages together
rigid crescent
now that's how you kill it
ruby needle
if you think you can do it better, then doo it better
keen mesa
It's a nightmare
ruby needle
thanks mr obvious 
keen mesa
just scrap the game
and use unity 2018.2 to build it
no unity LTS corporation horseshit
vrchat software doesn't need 10 year support
rigid crescent
lol so get rid of t he game
and then
no one plays
then once you finally come back, it's less relevant?
im confusion
keen mesa
yes you confusion
rigid crescent
people would be pretty upset
median basalt
They're probably more likely to be working on Unity 2017 though right?
keen mesa
You make the new game while supporting the last
but only security patches
yes
2017.4 I think
fools
I know of a dev that managed to have 200 players in a room and still have run at 90 fps
median basalt
Oh, that thing yeah
rigid crescent
that's cool, he should try his hand at a vrchat replacement
median basalt
People from that particular product have tried to bribe me into participating at a user test of some sort
keen mesa
he's working on it
rigid crescent
oh good
median basalt
Very ethical people those must be
rigid crescent
then what's there to worry about
keen mesa
you'll know when it's ready
median basalt
We'll see lmao
rigid crescent
a better one will come by and this one will bomb
keen mesa
not far away at this point
rigid crescent
e z
median basalt
Last I heard, the higher ups didn't want to consider custom shaders even though an engineer got it working already.
So that is going to bode very well indeed
keen mesa
Not the High Fidelity bullshit lmao
median basalt
Oh nvm then lmao
median basalt
In that case I have zero idea what you are talking about. Ignore what i said.
rigid crescent
what constitutes as a vrchat replacement
rigid crescent
ah well this conversation doesn't mean much anyway, if it's better it might do better
people don't always care about a superior product is all
they like what they're used to
keen mesa
yeah but framerate is deal
and custom scripting
and custom servers, no more dependence on the official infrastructure
median basalt
People will jump ship if the current platform they're on experiences a dramatic decrease in quality
For example, if VRChat removed custom avatars entirely, I think people would scramble to find alternatives
keen mesa
could it be worse than it is?
rigid crescent
A superior product isn't always what matters, how weird is that?
median basalt
I mean, they could always find some sort of entirely hypothetical exploit regarding joints
That allows you to joint anything to just about anything
keen mesa
Would you play at 15 fps or at 300?
median basalt
As long as it has a rigidbody already that is
rigid crescent
I don't play at 15FPS so I'm not sure
median basalt
I played with 15 FPS for quite a while and it was awful
keen mesa
would you make a map mechanism with 20 triggers (lol) or 2 lines of code?
median basalt
Game isn't super well optimized and my CPU wasn't so great either
rigid crescent
yeah i've hit it before but it's not a regular i run at for sure
median basalt
It was a regular occurrence for me in the Pug
Which is why I wish the Pug had toggles for the realtime lights
keen mesa
oh try joining a room with 30 people
median basalt
But nah, muh ambience!! Gotta have those 🅱ixed lights in the storage room!
rigid crescent
even if the game is better, like I said, people will still like what they're used to
it'd take a lot more than just being better, people are weird like that
median basalt
Look how people still stick to iPhones for example
rigid crescent
not saying it'll fail but, it's not that black and white
keen mesa
i'll be on steam and is made in unity
median basalt
There are plenty of better optimized and nicer looking maps than the great pug. The pug prevails because it has pre-established popularity.
keen mesa
porting assets is easy
rigid crescent
i get what you're saying
median basalt
Getting people to switch needs them to pass a certain threshold that's a bit further beyond "this alternative is somewhat better"
rigid crescent
it's just not black and white like that. if a better alternative is made and all my friends move over or I see a significant decrease in what I enjoy doing, yeah, I'll move
but the first "wave" will just be the people who complain about the tiniest of things or blow them out of proportion.
trying to shill as hard as possible
keen mesa
the current state of vrchat is enough to move
rigid crescent
the ones that complain about the tiniest things in VRC I mean, not the other thing
Not really.
keen mesa
like
ruby needle
agian, then do it
rigid crescent
You don't know people that well then.
ruby needle
and dont complain here how "bad" it is
rigid crescent
The Pug was a good example. It's bad. Everyone knows it's bad.
but it's still one of the most populated maps? why?
vocal shard
you are now blocked by Owlboy.
keen mesa
Sorry paul I don't like dogmas
rigid crescent
lol
keen mesa
I know of a pair of devs doing it, don't worry
rigid crescent
or does it not work that way for maps?
keen mesa
search how to extract asset bundles in google
median basalt
I think it can definitely work that way
rigid crescent
i dont really care that much
median basalt
The thing is, if you publish that in any way you'll probably be banned really quickly lmao
rigid crescent
haha
median basalt
Optimizing the pug wouldn't even be that hard, they actually do put effort into reducing drawcalls and shit.
rigid crescent
i figured
median basalt
It's just
Those five mixed/realtime lights
I think those might be the biggest issues
median basalt
How hard is it to have a toggle
vocal shard
keen mesa
and dynamic bones
median basalt
He already has a trigger at spawn for Garret's head, so don't give me that muh immersion. Just put it on a light switch.
Yeah, but that's the game in general
The pug adds its lighting on top of that
rigid crescent
i was about to make a muh immersion joke and you beat me to it
median basalt
Lol
keen mesa
yeah, but as it's some asset store assets hacked together, you eat shit
keen mesa
haha no multithreading for you!
vocal shard
who dat ?
median basalt
He's part of the older community and is apparently friends with owlboy
He has a world with comic book avatars
vocal shard
i see
median basalt
I think toggling lights might be a little trickier when they're mixed though
rigid crescent
maybe get rid of them
median basalt
Yes, that's what I suggest
He can keep the stage spotlight on a toggle since it makes sense and it's fully realtime anyway, can easily be toggled
opaque remnant
it's no secret that the great pug performance went way down when he added the puzzle
rigid crescent
i wonder why they don't
median basalt
He prefers the "thematic" (read: laggy) shadows and specular over the performance improvements or something
median basalt
He also has a hidden "admin" panel outside of the map, which is the reason why breathing the wrong way teleports you back to spawn. Ridiculous too
vocal shard
also getting respawned if you have a colldier feels fucking great
keen mesa
desktoppers only wast cpu time
median basalt
The Pug has the worst fanboys, Svelsien and I got harassed on here when we criticized the Pug
rigid crescent
oof, there's the bait
median basalt
We got pinged with an incredibly passive-aggressive message lmao
rigid crescent
i knew it was a matter of time
opaque remnant
i like people on desktop. they are easy to pat
median basalt
Oh yeah, his link actually answered his question lmao
rigid crescent
I slowly watched my friends list transform from a good mix of desktop users and vr users to being almost completely VR users, and not due to me purging them either
rigid crescent
VR only is the dumbest decision ever
"I wanna try this game, but I can't. OH WELL!"
keen mesa
at least make VR only rooms
queen mango
@keen mesa I take offense to that
frosty veldt
No ones stopping you from being an elitist
keen mesa
I don't want to play with disabled-from-head-to-feet people that only waste cpu time
vocal shard
you need to hold 2 spheres at the same time to teleport to the main room
rigid crescent
or kick them
If people didn't play with me because I was desktop, I would've dropepd this game and never got VR
keen mesa
(VR)Chat
rigid crescent
now you're being stupid
median basalt
A lot of my desktop player friends eventually get VR
Same here tbh
I got VR due to this game
vocal shard
Same
queen mango
Jesus... That was really getting on my nerves.
median basalt
I am currently stuck on desktop because the Oculus mic is prone to breaking
I have never had any problems with desktop users
rigid crescent
Over the summer, I know of at least 20 friends that got it and those are the ones I counted
vocal shard
They're just baiting... Because if there were serious.... Oof
rigid crescent
all for this game
some bought PCs to run it just for this game, obviously they play other games but the reason was mainly for this
vocal shard
🍿
median basalt
Oh right
abstract anvil
If you’re going to get vr for vrchat would you get oculus or vive?
median basalt
I upgraded my entire PC just to run this game better mao
keen mesa
pff
rigid crescent
Do you want cheaper full body
queen mango
Nice
vocal shard
@abstract anvil oculus
median basalt
@abstract anvil that's actually a good question when it concerns this game
boreal gull
oculus, I'd prefer my controllers not to break randomly
median basalt
I would say Oculus, but if it's specifically for VRC, Vive can actually be a good option.
keen mesa
Vive
rigid crescent
Cheaper full body, worse controls: Vive, anything else oculus
abstract anvil
I’ve been looking into it all
median basalt
Vive controllers are bottom-tier, though.
keen mesa
all the way
vocal shard
oculus is infinitely more comfortable tbh
queen mango
What about WMR?
median basalt
WMR is a neat budget alternative
keen mesa
vive knucles coming out soon
queen mango
Right
median basalt
But in some locations, WMR is barely any cheaper than Oculus
boreal gull
I have limited mobility, so full body would just be me sitting down all the time. So the vive has no pull for me except possibly for the Knuckles controllers
vocal shard
Wmr is good. But even me who promoted wmr so much is starting to feel like upgrading now
median basalt
In my case, Oculus only cost $30 more than WMR so I went with Oculus
rigid crescent
Not everyone has the money to spend on a bunch of extras, odds are full body on rift is still cheaper than full body on vive with knuckles LOL
abstract anvil
Yeah was considering the oculus cause I’m not concerned with body tracking
median basalt
@rigid crescent pretty sure you're right
An oculus with full body is only like $250 more than a vive with FBT
If the knuckles end up being stupidly expensive (they probably will)
Then you might break even
vocal shard
@abstract anvil if you dont care about FBT, get the oculus
abstract anvil
Good to know lol
keen mesa
don't
median basalt
However, I think the Vive with knuckles might become a better choice than the Oculus if you have the money
keen mesa
oculus is a dead end
vocal shard
proof ?
boreal gull
So is your trolling
median basalt
A dead end with controllers that don't suck
rigid crescent
That guy went from "Well here's some good points against VRchat and improvements it could make" to "remove all desktoppers, buy a vive!"
abstract anvil
Then again several people say get vive cause it’s. enter
keen mesa
facebook is heading towards mobile headsets
rigid crescent
you started off making some good points DltDat
then you just threw them out the window with the desktop only thing lol it's been downhill from there
vocal shard
You think HTC is going to last?
median basalt
Literally who cares where anything is heading? It's not like your headset will magically degrade into a mobile one.
You need to look at what it does now
keen mesa
so sad, isn't it? @rigid crescent
rigid crescent
Yeah, you had some good points and then you just degraded into nonsense
median basalt
If Oculus ever drops their desktop market (as if), then just get something else as your next headset. StarVR looks promising.
keen mesa
I don't care about HTC
keen mesa
but oculus doesn't use OpenVR
queen mango
Wish I could do VR, but I don't have enough money, and my laptop can barely handle many people on desktop
vocal shard
what's special about it compared to the current gen ?
keen mesa
and that is a big mistake
median basalt
Starbreeze (creators of PAYDAY 2) are making their own VR Headset with a ridiculously wide fov
keen mesa
it's not gonna last
rigid crescent
the average user doesn't give two shits about that, they want to play a game
median basalt
And it'll probably be similar in price compared to Oculus
rigid crescent
that's it
vocal shard
does it require a beast PC like pimax ?
queen mango
Like 155 degrees ridiculous?
median basalt
@vocal shard no
keen mesa
specially as other vr makers step up
vocal shard
nice
queen mango
Ooh. That's good
median basalt
There was something else about StarVR that really got my interest but I forgot what it was.
keen mesa
Pimax is never coming out
median basalt
Please do wait for it to actually come out, though. Don't commit to anything from Starbreeze until you see a working product.
keen mesa
it's a disaster
median basalt
I speak from experience
vocal shard
pimax sound promising but the PC spec required are insane
queen mango
Considering the screen is 5K...
vocal shard
It's not 5k...
median basalt
VR needs high resolutions and high framerates
queen mango
8K?
median basalt
Or rather in reverse order
vocal shard
yeah i know
but imagine buying a PC for that monster and then buying that VR headset
not a lot of people have that much money
Marketing stuff, not the actual resolution
or a willing to spend it on that
rigid crescent
so i can block you
vocal shard
right after u said kick this person
The 8k is 2 4k screens, but that is not actually what 8k is... Just the name
queen mango
@vocal shard It's pretty much spam. That's a no-no.
keen mesa
someone is piiiiiised
rigid crescent
lol you seem so annoying
sterile drift
Several people are typing...
glossy wharf
What did they do
vocal shard
so illegal ?
glossy wharf
I didnt see it
languid beacon
@median basalt as of the trust update, non-FBT Arm IK now uses FBT’s arm IK. Previously it differed.
median basalt
Oh yeah, StarVR also has real eye tracking
vocal shard
oohhhh
median basalt
@languid beacon oh? Interesting.
queen mango
@glossy wharf They put up a spam regarding something about a list...
glossy wharf
What list
median basalt
In which case you'd need a knuckles
keen mesa
it's probably never coming out too
median basalt
StarVR has not unveiled any controllers yet at this point.
vocal shard
i dont wanna spend 400 bucks on controllers tho
rigid crescent
@glossy wharf They've been spamming, begging for avatar help, lying about watching the Tupper video, trying to get pirated stuff, and jsut overall being super annoying and rude to people all while begging for help and ignoring advice
sterile drift
@rigid crescent I don't think they'll tell your their in game name just so you can block them. I don't think they even paid attention to their own account registration.
queen mango
Dunno... All I saw was a few categories, before it got deleted
keen mesa
all these kind of projects fade away and die
median basalt
Starbreeze is fucking drowning in money
rigid crescent
nah I was just joking anyway, I'll probably never see them
sterile drift
If they couldn't pay attention to a timestamped video :>
median basalt
Like, actually
There is zero chance of StarVR not releasing unless they actively decide to drop it
languid beacon
I know this because I can now do “thinking emoji” without my elbow flying out sideways
glossy wharf
@keen mesa knuckles just released the new dev kit what are you on about
median basalt
Starbreeze is basically god when it comes to funding because they have a ridiculous cash cow
keen mesa
i know of a guy who got 2 dev kits
glossy wharf
Great for him
median basalt
Of course, that cash cow is built on unethical practices but there's a solid chance StarVR will turn out to be fairly cheap
keen mesa
Valve is interested in his project
median basalt
All we need is cheap controllers
rigid crescent
Blood VR!
median basalt
Starbreeze earned basically all of its money by ripping off its PAYDAY 2 playerbase
rigid crescent
nice
median basalt
Starbreeze and Overkill were dying in the days of PAYDAY: The Heist (the first payday game)
rigid crescent
VR Headsets funding foreign dictators
queen mango
@median basalt Seeing the irony there?
median basalt
They merged and pulled themselves out of their ditch before the game even released
@queen mango I don't see it
Basically, PAYDAY 2 made a huge profit before they even released it
And they started pumping out DLC like crazy which everyone bought
glossy wharf
Rokk is blind wtf Elire
median basalt
And then they double dipped and introduced microtransactions
glossy wharf
Dont make fun of him
median basalt
I legit don't see it
median basalt
Starbreeze turned into a stock trading company of some sort and now they reached some hilarious self-sustaining event horizon of people throwing money at them.
People throw money at Starbreeze, and in turn, that causes more people to want to throw money at them.
glossy wharf
Talking about knuckles tho
heavy shuttle
More money = More research = Better VR?
median basalt
Yes.
glossy wharf
I cant wait for them to come out
queen mango
@heavy shuttle Definitely
glossy wharf
So i can buy them
median basalt
I really hope Starbreeze is making their own controllers though
queen mango
Consider competition too.
glossy wharf
And put them on my shelf like my legtrackers
median basalt
I don't want my only two choices to be overpriced and bad vive wands or overpriced HTC knuckles
glossy wharf
Valve*
heavy shuttle
If i am not wrong, you guys are talking about STARVR?
glossy wharf
Knuckles have nothing to do with HTC
median basalt
And it's pretty likely the headset will release without controllers even if they make them later on.
vocal shard
why dont they make controllers like the rift's ? they are sooooo comfortable
heavy shuttle
Yeah; the basestations and the controller will be only be sold by ValvE; and the companies (like HTC, STARVR, etc...) will sold only headsets
Thats the future
vocal shard
but i dont want to buy htc shit
median basalt
Knuckles is just a longer Touch with pinky tracking
vocal shard
it's too expensive
glossy wharf
Kinda surprised that no Russian group made a hackey oculus sdk to make it work with the base Stations
Of vive
vocal shard
are you fucking kidding me
That doesn't even work
did you try to ping 40k people for your shit that nobody cares ?
vocal shard
can smoeone yeet that guy ? thanks
thin heath
stop being toxic
rigid crescent
lol
vocal shard
stop bieng an idiot
glossy wharf
U broke the rules
queen mango
Wait... VRChat updated its unity build?
glossy wharf
The game isnt even 2018
vocal shard
no
rigid crescent
nope
glossy wharf
Lol
queen mango
Welp, he lied.
vocal shard
he asked everyone and vrpill to update to unity 2018
glossy wharf
Yeet that boi
rigid crescent
why would you try to ping that many people moron
thin heath
i asked for unity 2018 for along time and its here i am glad
median basalt
@thin heath stop being toxic? You legit just wanted to ping forty thousand people
queen mango
YEET
Next time, be careful.
glossy wharf
Its not here
heavy shuttle
Wait
glossy wharf
Lol
heavy shuttle
Wait
glossy wharf
They arent updating anything
vocal shard
It's not here...
neon flume
Oh wow I thought I had missed a big update. I was very confused looking through announcements and medium for a non-existent announcement.
heavy shuttle
VRChat will update to Unity 6 if i am not wrong, right?
glossy wharf
No
heavy shuttle
They are right now at Unity 5.6 no?
queen mango
Could be...
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/BL7V3/56a37de4f5.png i love my VR status
queen mango
Heard they would update to 5.8?
heavy shuttle
Didnt they say that they will update to 6.0 at January with a BIG UPDATE?
glossy wharf
Yea in 6 years
queen mango
Me neither
median basalt
There is no 5.8 or 6.0 what
queen mango
Nvm...
median basalt
Unity switched to 2016.x and 2017.x versioning.
If 2016 is even a thing
I can't remember
keen mesa
no
glossy wharf
Isnt it 2017 and 2018
keen mesa
It's not
median basalt
Well then there's your answer
heavy shuttle
No... well, dont mind me; it was something that i read at reddit long time ago
thin heath
no i think people should be happy about this because it might just revive vrc
rigid crescent
Revive a growing game? nani
keen mesa
@thin heath so funy huh
heavy shuttle
Just my question... they were going to make a big update at January?
glossy wharf
Its still 5.6.3p1
thin heath
its in their patch note what you talking about
vocal shard
Do keep admin pings for emergencies that needs immediate attention.
keen mesa
except a update to that version would have broken all assets
keen mesa
no my friend
rigid crescent
queen mango
.3.2.p1
heavy shuttle
neon flume
Oh no that's just how vrc does their versioning. It doesn't indicate what version of unity they're using.
heavy shuttle
vocal shard
@heavy shuttle dont trust any of those
until we have an official statement, they are false
heavy shuttle
F U C K
thin heath
then why would they post a unity build
rigid crescent
why wouldn't you believe that post? I'm assuming they can't just grant CCO flairs to just anyone
vocal shard
because it's just a random answer without any proof behind even if it's a dev
rigid crescent
uh
heavy shuttle
@covert chasm Sorry for mention but is this dude u/gamerdesignerguy a legit VRChat CCO?
queen mango
Boi
thin heath
okay looks like i was fooled SMH
rigid crescent
facts
I think it's pretty believable seeing who it's coming from.
the reddit post i mean
queen mango
Don't be a fool, Divinity. Try understanding it first.
neon flume
hey we all make mistakes right? Maybe don't ping admins/everyone though 🙃
keen mesa
man unity 2018.3 doesn't even exists
thin heath
you cant ping everyone in vrc discord what you mean
languid beacon
I once did at everyone accidentally when telling someone to not use
neon flume
well, don't try to.
rigid crescent
The fact you even tried to do it is stupid, Divinity
rigid crescent
You tried to ping everyone
You made the attempt to ping everyone. Why would you do that?
languid beacon
Please be nice each other and take insults to DM where we can’t see it
thin heath
no i put it there for all eye to grab attention
rigid crescent
I think that's a good idea
thin heath
seems like it worked
vocal shard
u once did @everyonre lol
rigid crescent
but i think it's against the rules
heavy shuttle
Dude :l
languid beacon
Better than here lol
rigid crescent
yeah, it made everyone mad. all you did was make people dislike you
rigid crescent
when did I @ everyone? lol
rigid crescent
just make it an autoban and put it in the rules no one reads
glossy wharf
Just dont Ping people jesus
thin heath
first off it not wise to have vrc discord with notifications on
glossy wharf
Its not on
vocal shard
i wanted an autokick for people that try to use @ everyone
glossy wharf
We didnt get the ping for it
vocal shard
but apparently it will not be a thing
rigid crescent
that sucks
vocal shard
i love how divinity get all pissy because people called him out on his bullshit
thin heath
this oiut rage culture is bad guy try to be a bit more nicer to your vrchater
vocal shard
and instead of saying sorry and move on
he try to bullshit us some more and find dumb excuses
way to go so people will like you.
thin heath
i said i was wrong thats not enough for you i see.
vocal shard
where ?
vocal shard
i missed that
rigid crescent
i just looked through his most recent messages, he iddn't
he made excuses as to why he did it
vocal shard
which are basically irrelevant since it's against the rules to mass ping people 🤷
languid beacon
Ok at the risk of sounding like an advertisement plug.. is there official VRChat merch? I’ve heard there is but I can’t find any official source linked anywhere
thin heath
i am not mad im just pointing out you guys have been name calling that is unprofessional
queen mango
Wut?
vocal shard
ah no, i'm just blind
queen mango
Oof..
vocal shard
@languid beacon https://vrchat.threadless.com/collections
rigid crescent
lol divinity you didn't even admit fault, you're lying
and no one here that is insulting you is part ofthe VR chat team, though I'm willing to bet if they could at least a few would
so i dont have to be professional
thin heath
.... SMH
rigid crescent
you made a mistake and didnt own up to it
queen mango
Dunno, but he could be a fool for all I know.
rigid crescent
worst type of person
neon flume
Anyone have one of the threadless/vrchat slim phone cases? I'm curious about how thick it is and whether it protects the camera bump.
queen mango
I didn't know they sell those.
neon flume
queen mango
Hmm...
vocal shard
pretty sure it's just a basic one
search for a simple and basic case and it will be the same
rigid crescent
damn i didnt know they had tank tops
queen mango
Do they sell cardigans?
neon flume
Hmm okay, I might stick with their mugs then. I'm not all that interested in clothing but I definitely need more mugs in my life.
queen mango
Nothing beats a cup o' Joe in the mornin'
median basalt
I'm not interested in any of those things honestly
vocal shard
the mug is actually what interest me the most
median basalt
It's just the VRC logo
vocal shard
i need to show people that i'm a degenerate
median basalt
I kinda want a hoodie with a T-posing Nikei on the back or something. You know?
queen mango
The only thing the mug can be better is if it had an interactible touchscreen
vocal shard
can i have a uuuumm screenshake shader ? thanks
vocal shard
queen mango
median basalt
G1fan already has one on his avatar though
vocal shard
median basalt
His veteran nikei is a sight to behold
indigo fern
ive only seen screens of it, what a legend
vocal shard
i didnt see g1 for a long time in-game
i need to join and y'all to see his new stuff
queen mango
When was his last login?
vocal shard
today most likely
median basalt
G1fan was there today or last night, he showed me his horrible "No ERP" spongebob
thin heath
well... im done here this is wasting my time, i thought that vrchat was getting an unity upgrade. however i was wrong, now i am being shamed for that. but i wish you all the best but i have things i got to get back to enjoy your chats.
queen mango
Hmm... Would like to join up, but oh well... School.
abstract anvil
Flash backs to old discord days
vocal shard
what's up with all the insane/troll people today ?
abstract anvil
Maybe had to do with the weather
vocal shard
seems legit
abstract anvil
Anyway, pretty much what I got from, Well, everywhere, vive is good for body tracking, while oculus is more better in controls
vocal shard
better mic too i believe
rigid crescent
yep
vocal shard
vive also have better tracking but let's be honest, in vrchat you don't notice it at all
and you can use the vive trackers with the rift so you can still have proper FBT one day
opaque hawk
WMR best head tracking worst everything else
rigid crescent
In the long run, Rift is better. You can have a cheaper VR sooner and just save for the extra bits
abstract anvil
So would an oculus be best if I was just getting vr for vrchat?
neon flume
As an oculus user I think they're fairly balanced right now but once there's a few more manufacturers making headsets on the steamvr/lighthouse system it'll be harder to stick with the rift ecosystem.
neon flume
Talk to some people in game too! They're usually happy to talk about their setups and can demonstrate a little better than through text. You'll get a better idea of how people have their sensors arranged, the size of their rooms, and occlusion issues they might face.
abstract anvil
Sounds good, I'll get to that next time Im in vrchat
covert chasm
@heavy shuttle Yes, that is our CCO. 😃
sterile drift
Ctrl, is your name seriously still that after that meme conversation?
neon flume
Oh yup
neon flume
I wonder if the new menu from the trust and safety update is a part of the these rumored UI changes.
opaque remnant
i just want to be able to use the entire menu without having parts of it fixed in place
neon flume
Maybe that could a toggle? Switch between using the joysticks to scroll through worlds/avatars/friends to moving around in the world.
rigid crescent
just fixing the avatar/friend menu would be great
like actually being able to scroll through them all lol
opaque hawk
That would be nice
cerulean dust
Personal opinion: The best way to sort avatars would be to always keep the latest used first, that way the least used ones automatically go to the back while the ones you like move to the front.
rigid crescent
I mean the beeeest way to sort them is folders, but that's a good alternative until they get that sorted
ew haz stop typing
❤
neon flume
Folders in folders in folders ....
I would love having that. Any application that lets me categorize things into as many subdirectories as I want is a great application in my book.
rigid crescent
Seems like it would be an SDK thing, but that's just a guess
Just throw an avatar into a folder on the SDK and it'll show up in that folder ingame
stone current
zinc solar
How do I make my world public? I lost the link
boreal gull
cough #public-world-request
opaque hawk
Hey right now I'm looking into that solution for using wmr joysticks in vrchat. I guess I'm not searching for it correctly. Any who uses that solution willing to point me in the right direction?
uncut trail
-sigh- security need another revamp
happened again to few more people 😦 RIP Public/Friend+ world
rigid crescent
still sounds like a new gimmick, but we'll see if they say something about it
send output logs or bust
languid beacon
What happened ?
opaque hawk
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
rigid crescent
supposedly people are being joined on by people on their account
"Themselves" basically
it's possible it's just a gimmick since someone mentioned that you can log into the samea ccount on two different clients, but i was too lazy to test it
languid beacon
Pretty sure I remember hearing multilogging is no longer possible, it was nice to test avatars without mirrors
Tho holoport works just as well for vr users
rigid crescent
it worked when trust went live
I'll test it out now if someone tells me how, trying to launch the game in vr and then desktop or desktop then vr just makes the older window open
languid beacon
2 computers?
queen mango
How would that look like?
languid beacon
Logging... in on 2 computers? Heh
rigid crescent
well a friend had an account they used with a controller to move their Alexa around
so it's probably the same computer
languid beacon
Two different accounts though right?
rigid crescent
Yes, but someone just mentioned earlier they did it so it's likely possible.
@median basalt how do
neon flume
It worked for me within the past week. I used my steam and vrchat accounts at the same time to see what my avatars look like with shaders blocked.
I created a shortcut to the vrchat program with --no-vr as a launch option in the target.
uncut trail
CtrlShift that illegal to do that btw modifying your client via launcher
rough flax
@vocal shard hackers?
queen mango
Modifying the client...
rough flax
Did someone say client modification?
Modification of the client isn't possible, were safe. Right guys? @ vrchatteam
neon flume
Hmm I don't believe this is client modification. I haven't modified the exe itself, just pointed a new shortcut to the program with launch options in the target.
rough flax
It's possible to have steam and non steam versions running at the same time on the same machine and even 2 non steam versions. I don't know about steam versions.
neon flume
Yeah the reason for the shortcut is to run it as a non-steam instance without starting steam VR.
neon flume
spooky
keen minnow
uncut trail
Well i'm staying away from Public and Friends+ for now or staying off vrchat till they fix this
rigid crescent
fix what
queen mango
Could be something about the game itself...
queen mango
なに？
rigid crescent
my pc is not enjoying this lol
neon flume
Yeah it's not easy to run two instances of vrchat at once, even in desktop mode. I can't imagine trying it in VR.
rigid crescent
78c, whew
neon flume
toasty.
rigid crescent
but yeah you see my point @uncut trail lol
now let me close this before my house burns donw
hang around the avatar channels i guess
uncut trail
Still someone accessed his account while he was streaming vrchat and yet going to all his friends
rigid crescent
And it couldn't have been staged lol
uncut trail
Nope couldn't be staged at all
rigid crescent
why?
i just did it
I mean again, not saying he shouldn't report it, but it seems a bit of a stretch.
uncut trail
I repeat myself he was streaming vrchat while he was in VR ?
rigid crescent
ok?
uncut trail
Whatever
rigid crescent
All it takes is someone else at his PC
or another computer
in order to get his password and username they'd need to have access to it outside of VR, not from within it
afaik
uncut trail
Or hacker could get password from somewhere else and use it to login ?
neon flume
It's possible that the streamer had a weak password perhaps yeah.
rigid crescent
From where? And how is him having lax security on his own PC a VRChat problem worth hiding in private rooms
and why not reset his password and lock him from his account?
that's the first thing I'd do if I wanted to be malicious to a streamer
i'd probably try al lhis accounts too. his twitch, all his social media.
neon flume
Yeah, private rooms wouldn't help with weak passwords.
https://xkcd.com/936/
Or better yet just use diceware and roll those d6s.
rigid crescent
I understand the concern from a "i dont know much about computers" point of view, but it's not as easy as flipping a button and downloading his password off the servers
I mean it's entirely possible he was compromised, but I don't see that being very likely on VRC's end.
My money is on staged by the person or a prank from someone they commissioned an avatar from, because going to his buddies and saying "ay what up" is the lowest thing on my list of a malicious compromise of a VRC account, logging into VRC would probably be the last thing I do
Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, etc would be my first choice, after resetting his password of course
olive iron
😃
zinc solar
Anyone ever seen 'Improvmod'?
rough pulsar
@zinc solar Improvmod comes on during the sunday night improv show, where I just was.
zinc solar
Ohh my goodness! They are good, I've been to a lot of their shows. I'm inspired to make a theater play for VRChat now o3o
queen mango
The Scottish Play?
ruby burrow
Been watching a friend building a home for another friend. Built out the house and majority of the interior objects at 50% scale to match his 3 foot avatar.
Should be fun to enter at a regular size, and feel like giants, whilst the owner gets to feel normal sized for once.
neon flume
That's pretty creative! There's a lot of shorter avatars who would really appreciate a house like that.
sterile drift
Thing is doorways are a thing
And shorter avatars doesn't mean your collision box is smaller
ruby burrow
The door to enter the house is just your regular "teleporter". Everything inside is tall enough to move just fine.
sterile drift
Ah k
ruby burrow
On the side, any idea what the min height required to get under something is though?
sterile drift
No idea but use the Blue Man as a height check
Call him Fred. He seems to like that name
ruby burrow
If I ever make a map themed like that, I guess I'll just make a set of limbo poles to test that before placing any doorways in.
wispy imp
quartz basin
I got kicked yesterday for being a "Known User".
Next thing they will add is that you can manually block dynamic bones.
What's next? Sending out copyright strikes? This game is going down the shitter real fast.
twin jacinth
Not really
It reached 9k yesterday and has been growing since April 2018
a small drop in september but a peak of 9k this month which haven't happened since March 2018.
Can't really says it's going down
i understand your frustration though
quartz basin
I'm not talking about the player count. I'm talking about the overall direction this game is heading.
twin jacinth
If that was the case the player base should have dropped as well in my opinion if it was something affecting a larger group of people in the game
While there is flaws with the ranking system i think it's a good thing and i haven't seen a single crasher since the update
btw how do you know you got kicked because you are a known user? and where was it?
quartz basin
Because she announced beforehand that she has everything blocked since I'm only "Known" and after that threw me out of the map.
twin jacinth
People like that uh, i'd just be okai with that because people that act like that is cancerous
it's unfortunate that it happens but i would say you're better off that way because of how they act
quartz basin
I just think this whole system is not really well thought out. That kick will now be registered in my account and probably leads to me having a harder time reaching Trusted.
twin jacinth
Yeah i also experienced people blocking me most likely because of blocking something on my avatar which is unfortunate and if you got a harder time reaching a rank because of the system itself that's pretty shit.
instead of blocking my avatar they just straight up blocked me
Not even asking me what it was, didnt have time to ask them even.
rigid crescent
kicjs dpnt matter that much
nor do blocks, youre fine
people will be jerks, the system just exposes them
twin jacinth
What's that site for checking again? curious to how many have blocked me instead of my avatar because of that
Yeah that's true MIc
rigid crescent
i forgot actually
ruby needle
I know that you can check who you blocked but the other way around?
twin jacinth
Yeah there's a site for it but i can't remember the name
ivory folio
rigid crescent
"because of" hows that?
quartz basin
Blocked by 27 people and I don't know any of them.
twin jacinth
After the update i got told my avatars hand looks weird and shit and i think it's because of the block features the update has
i also experience avatars having a big white block or just looking weird because of the safety.
But no one has really said like spesific what it is and it seems to only affect a few people 🤷
I'm going to test it and check once my friend has time
umbral reef
it effects the guys who dont understand how the game works and blocked everything to not get crashed prob
quartz basin
They probably disabled shaders and blocked everyone with standard shaders.
ruby needle
which is their problem, not yours 
twin jacinth
True that >.<
serene agate
Not everyone has a great computer. It's a blessing to be able to block shaders on all avatars.
twin jacinth
True that, i do it myself and really it's helped a lot.
quartz basin
Every decent toaster could run VRchat if only they would optimize it.
But instead of optimizing VRchat to the newest Unity (I know it takes time and effort), they rather block features.
rigid crescent
bandaid basically
serene agate
It's not just having optimized shaders, but there are those annoying screen filling shader effects that some avatars have and abuse.
twin jacinth
Might be a temporary solution and then switching the unity later which they pretty much have to do at a point
serene agate
There are some avatar worlds that are really guilty of providing highly unoptimized avatars to users as well. Obvious polycount, bypassing, extremely annoying gestures with very loud music/sfx, etc.
umbral reef
@quartz basin Some systems would still cause lagg problems even within the latest unity version
And then lets ignore all the things they would have to remove even to update
Forcing an material cap and Limiting dynamic bones
Also educating users on what makes and material even worse then normal or dynamic bones helps
serene agate
VRChat is not entirely at fault for using a older version of Unity. Avatar creators are very guilty of causing most of these issues.
umbral reef
@serene agate Polycount bypassing does not produce any extra lagg unless it bypasses the 65K treshmark
serene agate
I would love to see some kind of video or in-depth explanation of high polycount not affecting performance, because in my experience actually playing VRChat, it does seem to affect performance.
60k poly avatars x20 or more users in a single world. It sounds like this would definitely impact performance.
umbral reef
Tl;dr untill 65K you dont get a second mesh what means the material and most stuff gets duplicated
Untill that amount its adds almost so little adding an extra material is worse for performance
Its just how this version of unity works
serene agate
Why doesn't VRChat allow higher than 20k if it doesn't impact performance?
umbral reef
No one knows and when we pushed hard enough for an reason it was close to:
It guides users into optimization
And we all know how nice that worked
ruby needle
It's still wrong that it does not impact it at all
it doesn't in the way most think but it isn't zero impact
serene agate
I don't understand the these deeper inner workings of avatar creation, but I can agree that limiting it in someway can be healthy for VRChat overall
umbral reef
@ruby needle i said little for a reason 🤷
opaque remnant
cracking down on avatar worlds like they are now when it comes to materials, meshes, and dynamic bones will be a much bigger improvement compared to having a low poly limit
serene agate
It will be extremely entertaining to see if theres a day when VRChat starts being really serious about avatar creation optimization. With potential adjustments to allow more freedom, but enforcing it to the point of punishing users in someway.
ruby needle
i'd love to see that but i doubt it will be as strict as it should be
quartz basin
They will become serious about optimization as soon as they banned all avatars and give us stick figures.
serene agate
I agree that cracking down on some avatar worlds would be a good idea. It is so blatant and obvious. It shouldn't be difficult to weed them out.
ruby needle
i'd definitely support having actions against limit breakers who publicly share the limit broken things
the manpower isn't there for that unfortunately
umbral reef
im still more for setting some more logic limits
Reduce material count to at max 10
Then up the poly count to ~40K and unsure what would be good for the Dynamic bone system to reduce stuff
serene agate
Dreaming of a perfect world.
ruby needle
thats far away from perfect
umbral reef
Or that the ranking system allows you to upload more instead 
Only let users who worked on plenty of avatars upload the more 'risky' things
umbral reef
Still let everyone upload stuff with an big old whitelist of materials and ect
The higher the rank the more limits get thrown away
ruby needle
no
thick flare
no
ruby needle
making exception for higher ranked people? where is the point in that if its about optimisation?
thick flare
if anything, player of higher rank are more guilty about such thing
umbral reef
Depends-
an small amount could be really bad if they are always pushing against an colliders in the head
opaque remnant
the feedback on public world submissions have mentioned 40 transformations on dynamic bones
quartz basin
How does one survive with only 40 bones?
quartz basin
My cat tail alone has like 12
umbral reef
40 dynamic bones is indeed an fair bit...
Fairly sure if everyone in a room had them and was actively using them we would cry
ruby needle
the magic word is optimisation sails 
umbral reef
And how many dynamic bones within it do you really need?
opaque remnant
some of the avatars in avatar worlds have more than a hundred
and you see them running around in the pug for example
ruby needle
yeah
many avatar world avatars are extermely awfull
so many mass port avatars for fame
quartz basin
I need every bone I can get. My avatars need to be cute to the MAX.
queen mango
Cute?
umbral reef
Well that sounds like an clear "Nope"
thick flare
about the not everyone have great computer statement, if your computer is from stone ages which doesn't even fit the minimum requirement, you shouldn't even complain about it
as selfish as it sounds
ruby needle
sorry but even with a top end computer you wont run this game fluid in vr
ruby needle
and even then it does not excuse bad optimization
twin jacinth
I'm sitting with
1080
6600k
16GB
which is pretty high end and i get 30 fps in a lobby with 15-20 people (Japan Shrine)
Only when there's under 10 people i have a chance to be at 60-90 fps.
umbral reef
The only reasons you dont optimize are
1: You are uneducated on what causes lagg
2: Are too lazy to do it
3: Dont care about ruining others fun
thick flare
if your pc can't handle the polycount which were meant for the pc which meets the minimum requirement, you shouldn't even complain about it
about the optimization
1: 20k poly count is dumb
2: not every model can be perfectly atlased ( at least by using the auto atlas from cat), for my case, if my material>10 and i can't atlas it perfectly, i will dump it right away
ruby needle
1: except that it isnt just because you dont know how to do detail via texture or normal maps doesnt make it dumb
2: the new one is flawless
thick flare
not flawless
i have had a few model which won't be atlased correctly
though most of them are fine
ruby needle
the new one which tiles the textures is absolutely flawless
umbral reef
send them too the devs and they can find out why and fix the system
ruby needle
yeah if not then you have some kind of software bug
umbral reef
Well with devs it has always been the same
The thing will never be perfect for everything-
But to solve that they need bug reports and problem reports in detail or an way to reproduce it themself
So just complaining about 'it doesnt work' will never make it work
thick flare
i am all for reasonable optimization such as make sure the meshes doesn't split into two, and the absurd use of dynamic bone
but to make my model looks like from ps2 era just because you own a 10 years old pc?
no
thick flare
again, you are assuming ALL models looks fine under 20k, without being a professional
ruby needle
custom 3d content has never been a "everyones" thing
and you can get help for nearly anything in the form of tutorials
umbral reef
Plenty of Ps3 games ran 20K avatars
Its all about picking the right count for the right things
Removing anything not needed and redoing small parts that are just cry worthy
And having some shader magic often makes it often look high poly while it isnt
ruby needle
from hig -> low poly baking to propper optimizing
thick flare
except some games only use <20k models in normal gameplay mode, and switch to a high poly one during cutscene
ruby needle
most of which are pre rendered
which is a MASSIVE diference
and even real time cutscenes have other circumstances then rt game
serene agate
@thick flare Eventhough this information doesn't help anything, my machine has an i3, GTX 870m, 8gb ram, SSD.
I get good frames even with a VR headset, but easily performance goes down when I am surrounded by lots of insane avatars, etc.
vocal shard
what kind of VR do you have ?
ruby needle
i have a red car
(i actually have asilver car)
but how good i my car?
its a VW
but how good is it???
serene agate
I am not that technically knowledgeable. I do not know the version number of my CPU
ruby needle
there is always a number after that
serene agate
Windows Mixed Reality. Dell.
vocal shard
i see
opaque remnant
you can check steam for such information. help > system information
under cpu brand
rigid crescent
just to uh