canny exists
#vrchat-general-2
tidal aspen
vocal shard
Omg
tidal aspen
reeeeeee i can't show my epeen anhmore
pseudo herald
If its related to modes, no, it was desktop. I don't think 700 series have the technology to run them.
formal anvil
The 780ti will try
I mean its not built for the job but it'll try
I know it'll just kick the 1030 outta here because
vocal shard
My dk2 ran on a 650 back in the day..
formal anvil
1030 trash for pretty much any build
@vocal shard ...And in came better graphics ;-;
ruby needle
the 1030 is not a gaming card anyway 😄
vocal shard
Lol
formal anvil
I'LL MAKE THE 1030 GAME
WATCH ME
I'll chuck my 1060 out the window
And grab a 1030
vocal shard
Which version of the 1030?...
gloomy valve
Yo im running a 1060
formal anvil
Eyyy
vocal shard
Because they changed part way through and made it worse
formal anvil
I'm running the shit version of the 1060
vocal shard
Without labeling it
gloomy valve
3gb? Same
gloomy valve
It works
vocal shard
GB isn't as important as the clock
formal anvil
Meh
gloomy valve
It can run mhw at 60fps on higest settings getting me about 2k
vocal shard
1060 3gb is almost a 80% increase over 1050ti according to user benchmark
gloomy valve
Yee
If i upgrade its mostly for future proofing because besodes gaming and vr i use this for 3d modeling and digital painting as well
Anywho back to the salt mines
odd beacon
But the 1060 3gb isn't as good as the 6gb because it has variations other than vram
vocal shard
Yeah, the 6gb is better. I'm just comparing to a 1050ti
quiet beacon
hewo
steep fulcrum
Hewo
steep turret
Weho
quiet beacon
I love you
quiet beacon
Do you love me...?
unkempt juniper
anyone can help me with making a world
quiet beacon
I can help you with cuddles :c
vocal shard
does anyone know the name of that shader that the gored out hatsune miku uses to go invisible and visible based on distance?
steep turret
pretty sure it's a flat lit toon
like particle dissolve or something
maybe distance dissolve
don't remember
vocal shard
Flat lit distance fade
do you guys know if there is a way to make the whole thing appear at a certain distance rather than just a certain area around it
nevermind
mint spire
What can we do vs user with avatar that crash people on purpose?
rigid crescent
figure out the particle limiter, or hang out with friends til the next update that allows you to block particles and shaders
mint spire
well you are right but kind of sad that typ of person dont get any punishment nothing
rigid crescent
they can't unless you report them, gotta send in your game logs for that
vocal shard
If you get crashed, grab your output log, and send it into moderation@vrchat.com
still lark
Fun fact, VRChat is cleaning all the user tags, so everyone* is a new user. 
*mostly everyone
umbral reef
And where did you get that news from?
still lark
The API
umbral reef
And who says they wont recalculate things before they go live 
cinder pier
Wut
vocal shard
User 1
User 2
umbral reef
As the api does not mean everything
umbral reef
Beta a new beta is live and they can get more data this way?
tacit plank
Wow, you're right, I lost like 4 tags
vocal shard
How do you check the API?
tacit plank
log in, then go to https://vrchat.net/api/1/users/USERNAME/name
still lark
You mean log into https://vrchat.net
cinder pier
Everyone will be a new user then except for veterans - "Veteran users are still highly valued, and we will store the data necessary to identify them."
vocal shard
K
tacit plank
If they have unicodes in their names you might need their ID
still lark
Unicodes work in the URL, also it needs to be lowercase for usernames
You can also do https://vrchat.net/api/1/users?search=UsernameORdisplayname
tacit plank
I went down to "intermediate" from "trust_legend"
umbral reef
Pretty sure its the default thing for when you can upload LUL
I almost never play anymore
light saddle
Everyone’s blue oof
vocal shard
I use the link from a different tab?
cinder pier
Not everyone
vocal shard
I'm on mobile
cinder pier
Almost everyone
tacit plank
They might be changing the algorithms
Well, there wasn't really one to begin with, was there?
ruby needle
there was
tacit plank
Some people got vet before getting trusted
tidal aspen
we're all normies now
light saddle
I wanted a rank war aww
cinder pier
So recalculating new algorithms using past data?
tacit plank
Wait, a friend of mine has all his tags still
vocal shard
.... So I log into vrchat... Then I just press the link? Or do I need to do something after?
ruby needle
you log into the homepage
tacit plank
Just go to the link
gloomy valve
Oh is this still about the ranks in beta?
rigid crescent
What's "system_legend"?
sterile drift
Doesn't everyone have that?
gloomy valve
Not sure
still lark
I think it's everyone pre content gating.
tacit plank
Something like "logged in" or "using VRChat account"
tidal aspen
everyone has system_legend
still lark
oclac doesn't.
vocal shard
Ok, I got it
umbral reef
i got nothing 
It keeps fucking telling me the missing credentials but im logged in 💤
gloomy valve
Rip
vocal shard
This one worked for me. Oclac https://vrchat.net/api/1/users?search=UsernameORdisplayname
The other one didn't
tacit plank
try logging into api.vrchat.cloud
gloomy valve
Nope
rigid crescent
i had to log in and paste it into the same window's bar
vocal shard
Yeah... So I'm not even known anymore... But my friend still has his vet ranking...
still lark
api.vrchat.cloud vrchat.com and vrchat.net are all the same.
tacit plank
Seems to only be gone for anyone who has logged in recently?
vocal shard
Interesting
tacit plank
The others are not updated yet
tacit plank
Are you blocking cookies?
Try another browser btw
The API reads a session ID from your cookies or something
umbral reef
Wait shit i might be blocking cookies on this laptop 🤔 lemme check
tacit plank
You can also search for your user on the homepage, and then press F12 and look at the network log
umbral reef
I block most stuff on this laptop but always forget
tacit plank
The API tags will be there too
umbral reef
As most tings dont struggle with it
tidal aspen
yeah it’s probably updating when you log in
umbral reef
Firefox plox https://i.imgur.com/TWA8oFH.png 👏
Im logged into the dam website
There we go, finally got it
https://i.imgur.com/EdIVqHS.png Poggers, im a new user it seems
Even went a rank down
Or they changed it so it doesnt shown an rank higher then ingame
umbral reef
Nope
rigid crescent
Huh, what is that then...
tacit plank
Everybody lost their ranks past "can upload content" Oclac
umbral reef
tacit plank
For now, anyways
gloomy valve
So were all basic now?
tacit plank
What will be next, that you can only see ranks up to your own?
gloomy valve
But my vaporwave yean and sucy avi
tacit plank
I doubt it's permanent
rigid crescent
I mean if it was, I'm sure it would cause a shitstorm but at the same time it wouldn't actually matter. Most people didn't know anything abotu them until recently.
gloomy valve
True
tacit plank
Well, I'd like some acknowledgement for having this game pretty much be my life for almost a year now
gloomy valve
But still. I put a good ammount of work into that avi edit
rigid crescent
Yeah but you didn't even have that until May, right?
tacit plank
I also don't want to get grouped in with those russians who play hard bass through their mics all the time
still lark
Hard slav bass
tacit plank
Apart from that, I guess it doesn't matter too much
But removing all ranks is a bit of a cowardly move, if permanent
rigid crescent
cinder pier
I doubt it will be permanent
gloomy valve
Hopefully
vocal shard
Like they said... There will be tweeks for the next few weeks
cinder pier
Exactly
gloomy valve
Besides i gotta redo that yeen avi anyway, something on him got borked
cinder pier
They've already said that rank data will be stored
gloomy valve
I mean besides avi and world creation what else does rank do?
cinder pier
It determines your trust settings . What parts of your avi people can see
tacit plank
Before it kind of told me "You've spend a lot of time in this game, so we trust that you're a good user"
gloomy valve
Oh so to hide shaders and particales that would crash players?
tacit plank
Yeah
rigid crescent
Yeah, each rank has customizable Shield settings that you can block certain things
gloomy valve
Nice
grave dagger
Im guessing we just caught them as they are recalculating everyones rank 😂
tacit plank
Guess I will need to up my Unity game so that my avatar will look unique and personal
rigid crescent
I use Noe and Cubed anyway, for now
cinder pier
Maybe they're laughing their asses off reading this channel
light saddle
That would be bad lol
rigid crescent
til @royal pond gets that shader whitelisted of course
tacit plank
Maybe they're sleeping after coding all day
gloomy valve
Well i only have the cubed shader atm anyway. Idk where to get others
tulip bloom
was legend but am down to neutral oof
tacit plank
vrcats, the unofficial forum
gloomy valve
Gotcha
tulip bloom
hopefully just rercalculating
royal pond
@rigid crescent lol it's not ready tho
raven silo
@gloomy valve best place to find and share stuff for vrchat is here https://vrcat.club/
gloomy valve
I mean i could possibly smell a hotfix within a week
rigid crescent
Do it anyway, it looks cool lol
royal pond
well yeah until you get into certain conditions where the lighting breaks, gotta fix that up y'know
rigid crescent
I stayed that Rin avatar the next day and Crem wanted the Miku but you're not published lol
royal pond
o damn
tidal aspen
I doubt it’s perm
when the trust system was introduced people already had their ranks
royal pond
uh, I'll get a publishable version out soon
rigid crescent
Oh did they? I thought just "can you upload stuff" was on
cinder pier
Some ranks are really weird. Some people are new users and others normal users. And some guests
tulip bloom
the tags were in the api since its intro
cinder pier
This can't be permanent so don't worry
raven silo
veteran rank was poorly added.
cinder pier
The good news is they're tweaking the system so hopefully we'll see an update 
rigid crescent
For what it's worth, an alt i made to test something got approved after something like three days and only a an hour or two of gameplay, with only one friend.
I really find it odd that people aren't getting it with 20+hours and friends
cinder pier
That's exactly why the algorithm needs tweaking
still lark
Lookin good Pill.
cinder pier
I'm not sure but they did say that idleing wouldn't help so 20+
Of idleing wouldn't help
rigid crescent
OH also I didn't speak once since I was just messing around with stuff lol
I literally never spoke and just walked around pubs muted, that was all
cinder pier
That's why it needs tweaking?
rigid crescent
Yeah, just pointing out how odd it is.
steep pagoda
yea i wonder why everyones tags where reset 🤔
odd
rigid crescent
down with the establishment
cinder pier
Just be patient
I'm sure they're working hard on it
You can tell by looking at pill's face..
vocal shard
I would rather a Unity update to the current version.
rigid crescent
according to the api yeah, most likely temporary though
river thunder
Fuck
civic plume
VRC sdk breaks outta no where, i cleared it and it wont show the control panel and anything else. is there some update being released whats going on?
rigid crescent
are you not able to click it at all? when i have an incompatible shader that happens to me
cinder pier
I would just like the YouTube-dl updated tbh
civic plume
no it just stopped working after it just was
i just chucked in a new one one second (3rd time)
strill wont work what is this sh*t
vocal shard
Is ih freezing after starting the upload before you get to take a picture and name it?
civic plume
no the actual SDK is gone
vocal shard
🤔
civic plume
like one sec it works now it just stops and the control panel, settings all disappear
i deleted it and reisntalled it and nothing
im so tired
5am
wtf is going on >.<
opaque remnant
deleted it from the folder on disk, or from within unity?
steep pagoda
not everyones tags where reset ....
vocal shard
Make a new project and copy in your avatar assets
opaque remnant
close unity, go into your assets folder for the project on disk, delete the vrcsdk folder and the .meta file, open unity, and add it again
civic plume
wait theres something else going on here its like my pc just did something on it self
im to tired
raven silo
mostly like everyone be system_trust_intermediate
steep pagoda
some useres i know still have all the way to legend
makes me think it was more a mistake
(possibly from them wiping the pmods of people who used the beta)
opaque remnant
probably getting added from the metadata when a scene is trying to access the sdk. which is why you need to delete the folder and meta while unity is shut off
civic plume
yes
vocal shard
what to do if my vrchat girl cheats on me
civic plume
loading
raven silo
get new girl i guess
civic plume
okay vrc is compeltely gone
vocal shard
i cant
civic plume
now re isntalling
vocal shard
leave her
civic plume
i aint got that kjind of money fam
vocal shard
when i have over 400 pictures with her
civic plume
im to tired
vocal shard
"Her"
subtle prawn
bid-oof!
cinder pier
Xd
opaque remnant
accept that she'll be doing stuff with other people as well in a game like this
subtle prawn
best traps
civic plume
oh bby i think it worked
vocal shard
subtle prawn
rip
subtle prawn
Something else causing it ? Is the SDK the only thing in that Unity folder?
civic plume
no i got a whole world in it
subtle prawn
Something in it may be breaking it
opaque remnant
yeah. a shader is the most likely culprit
subtle prawn
Click the Console tab in Unity and see if you have any red flags
opaque remnant
if it's something you added recently
civic plume
i havent changed anything since its impossible
a bunch of image affects, theyre scripts from standard asseets
wait a sec theyre broken i think
they all could not be found
IT WORKED
OMG
strafight away cane back
vocal shard
subtle prawn
[insert head bounce gif]
civic plume
oh man
i really love you guys
u don kno how itired i am
❤
thank you
goodnight >.>
subtle prawn
opaque remnant
good night. at least you figured it out
civic plume
yes
tacit plank
If every program only messed with it's own folder, we wouldn't have to deal with all this shit
No regedit, clean uninstalls, everything would work from USBs (standalone), etc.
Like old games. You wanted them moved to another computer? ctrl+c, ctrl+v done. It was great. When and why did it go out of practice?
subtle prawn
....
tacit plank
But yeah, your cache is in your %appdata% on your main drive, not much to do about it
opaque remnant
you can use a hardlink/junction to place the cache folders on a different drive, but still have vrchat believe they are in the appdata folder. it's not as hard as it sounds
it's a windows function, so no tricky business
tacit plank
I guess you technically could, my OS is unstable to begin with though, so I'm not touching anything like that
royal pond
ln -s appdata /disk2/???/
tacit plank
C:\Users\%username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat
vocal shard
i moved it to my hard drive and stills download on solit
does anybody really read what im saying
am i the invisible man its like nobody seems to care if im in the server
steep turret
I mean you're one out of a lot so you're probably not wrong?
vocal shard
IDK WHO YOUR TALKING TOO
umbral reef
You?
vocal shard
oh wow somebody actually responded
im leaving this place and going on the actual game because this is bullshit. i asked about avatars but nobody will answer me back. good bye
umbral reef
🤔 So because an genrel server that isnt meant for hard avatar questions cant help you (while YT prob can but ey- that takes effort... Or lets ignore all of google...) your leaving to another game?
Welp Take care then
Ow best fucking thing ever even- Just looked up his question and i answered it even 😂
kind folio
Do we know if KatVr would work for vrchat?
vocal shard
...
kind folio
I dont even know if anyone has tried it.
umbral reef
@kind folio Throw an email towards hello@vrchat.com i guess
But i dont think its supported
kind folio
figured I would have too in the end
umbral reef
@vocal shard Its the fella that wanted one of those big ass avatars and you explained he can kinda because of the boundary box stuff but that it would not work without editing the files 👏
worthy flame
Can someone help me possibly? I'm new to Blender and super shaky atm with what exactly I'm doing but somehow I've managed to muddle through enough to do my model. What I'm currently stuck on is that I'm trying to put some shoes on my model but in order to place them properly I have to be able to them independently of each other therein lay the problem, no matter what I click or do they both remain selected and move together. I've tried click off and then back on, then clicking a random body part and back on, I've tried separating the materials and nothing seems to unlink them. DX Help!
Dunno if this helps but I'm using MMD pieces from Deviant Art to piece together a model.
steep turret
this is amazing keep going
umbral reef
Materials is just the looks stuff-
Gotta select the triangle dots (fuck forgot the name)
But go into the edit mode (tab i think, been ages)
And then select one point on one of the shoes
vocal shard
Ah..
umbral reef
Then press CTRL and + untill all is selected and you should be able to move just that 👌
worthy flame
Awesome! Thank you very much.
vocal shard
WooooOOO finally ordered some trackers 
umbral reef
If my explanation is wrong just ask agian and il see if i can google what i meant
tacit plank
Can any staff confirm that I can trust the ToS on what I'm allowed to do? It basically says "Nothing sexually explicit" and "no nudity"
still lark
That's their standpoint
kind folio
dont trust the ToS.
umbral reef
Unless its in private worlds that isnt being streamed you cant even have nsfw things under a model
vocal shard
I don't think you can loophole that
umbral reef
Gotta edit that stuff even out
vocal shard
That's how it is 🤷
kind folio
Yes but you can also break a lot in real life and if you dont get caught you wont get punished lmao but yeah NSFW models arent allowed in the ToS on any accounts
still lark
If someone is in your private room and reports you, you're boned kiddo.
tacit plank
This will be public
umbral reef
@still lark They gave an statement themself (and ingame with the new tips/hints stuff) that you got pretty much free range unless its on a public world (what means friends+ and ect) only full private
kind folio
law*
still lark
Friends only is also deemed public
timber violet
@modern sand Hey. I’m trying to do a survey for a class and would really appreciate a bigger platform to do the server with. Could you ask the server how many people have been targeted or harassed online? It’d mean a lot.
kind folio
Why would you bring someone in a private room with an nsfw model who you dont trust lol @still lark
umbral reef
Bruh- Dont mention the admins for non emergencythings
modern sand
@timber violet We wouldn't have a good way to do that sorry
You can post your survey in #shameless-self-promotion though
tacit plank
It will be a public world
umbral reef
Id not risk it
tacit plank
I'd be annoyed if a world I spend time on was rejected because their ToS doesn't reflect their judgement
umbral reef
And i guess its an bit on the reviewers judgment..
Same with when a world gets labeled an avatar world
tacit plank
Can I upload the world for public while supplying a message?
still lark
Look through the public world list doc thing, you'll see all the declined
tacit plank
It's totally safe, it's just that anime art has skimpy outfits
It's just the nature of anime stuff
vocal shard
For those, it's up to the one who's reviewing it.
tacit plank
So it's a coin toss every update?
umbral reef
Ow my- That aint good for my gambling addiction 👀
vocal shard
If it gets declined by one, expect for it to be declined everytime.
still lark
What
vocal shard
You and your gambling addiction, Oclac.
tacit plank
What if two accept it, and then I update it and another person goes "Hoppous in underwear are a sin!" and reject it?
umbral reef
Worth the risk- Eating something new that tastes amazing or wanting to die because you wasted money on jucky food
vocal shard
Then tough luck.
tacit plank
Basically, I will have to find out if the staff are weebs or normal people
umbral reef
And its still more healthy then your trap addiction @vocal shard 👀
umbral reef
Your dignity?
tacit plank
It's like how old people are with videogames, they just don't get it, and it's hard to argue that killing virtual people is fun
umbral reef
vocal shard
What dignity?
umbral reef
Ow snap
vocal shard
still lark
So if it's declined once, assuming you've changed nothing, it will be forever denied even if the reviewer is different?
vocal shard
Unless you remove the thing that causes it to be declined, probably.
tacit plank
Declined I could live with, but I could even get punished for trying to provide people with a cool world
tidal aspen
could email them too, worked for me
tidal aspen
though my case was a bit unique I guess
tacit plank
Alright
floral quiver
How do people have a real digital clock in their worlds. Its sooo coool
tidal aspen
shader
tacit plank
How can shaders read the time?
tidal aspen
shaders have the player's local time they can use
vocal shard
and it's only for world if you are thinking of putting that on an avatar
ruby needle
shaders are more powerfull then most think
tacit plank
Well, there's _Time[x,y,z,w] but that doesn't seem to be the computer clock
tidal aspen
as a float and they convert that to HH:MM:SS
it's the time the player has been in the world [scene in unity]
rigid crescent
yeah it uses the individual player's system clock
floral quiver
I really wanna add a clock to my world but i dont know how people get it. Its amazing
still lark
Google might provide
floral quiver
In tried. But it talks about the avatar like timer
cinder pier
The clocks I've see that use local time use webpanels and that's a no no at the moment . Unless you want a clock that tells you how long you've been in the world, there's a shader for that.
polar jasper
@cinder pier You can get real time clock in worlds without the web panel
cinder pier
Please send me a link cause I'd like one. Would that use your local time?
polar jasper
It's using the pano component. But don't think a prefab for it is public yet. I can ask the person that did it though
cinder pier
That's be great . I'm not too desperate for it but it'd make a great addition ^^
floral quiver
Ooo i would love to use it. Iv seen the kind in many world. The world im in rn has a local time and ur current clock time
lilac swan
I recall something about someone using the video player to get pixeldata in for a shader to use as a starting point for time
cinder pier
Which world is that ?
polar jasper
Safehouse on lake is one of them
floral quiver
World is called nightday
cinder pier
I must take a look. It's always nice to know what time it is. I keep missing the sunrise xd
gloomy valve
Nightday is kind of a pretty world. But not much to do there
paper pecan
Programming day and night cycles is a pain oof
tidal aspen
don't really need to program it, unless you mean outside of vrchat
sullen escarp
Is it bad to do api queries or something? Because I just wrote a program to check what my user tags are and it's deleted a tag every time I ran it. i.e. started with "tags": ["system_avatar_access","system_world_access","system_trust_basic","system_trust_intermediate","system_trust_known","system_trust_trusted","system_feedback_access" ],, then it was "tags": ["system_avatar_access","system_world_access","system_trust_basic","system_trust_intermediate","system_trust_known","system_feedback_access"],, now it's "tags":["system_avatar_access","system_world_access","system_trust_basic","system_trust_intermediate","system_feedback_access"]
cinder pier
An animation rotating directional light on a dynamic skybox is enough to create a day / night cycle no?
ancient kindle
tidal aspen
could probably be better to use a sort of screen space shader that changes colors a bit
floral aspen
@sullen escarp I don't know why tags keep getting deleted for you, but api queries aren't bad.
sullen escarp
🤔
sullen escarp
it doesn't seem to be going below intermediate now tho whenever i run it again
sullen escarp
whatever trust level that corresponds to
yeah i've been being careful to send one like every 5 minutes
here's the program if anyone else wants to try, just give it "username:password" at the command line ```java
import java.io.;
import java.net.URL;
import java.util.Base64;
import java.util.regex.;
import javax.net.ssl.HttpsURLConnection;
public class RankChecker {
static String getAPIKey() throws IOException {
HttpsURLConnection c = (HttpsURLConnection) new URL("https://api.vrchat.cloud/api/1/config").openConnection();
String res = readResponseEntirely(c.getInputStream());
Pattern p = Pattern.compile("apiKey":"([^"]+)"");
Matcher m = p.matcher(res);
m.find();
return m.group(1);
}
static String readResponseEntirely(InputStream in) throws IOException {
ByteArrayOutputStream baos = new ByteArrayOutputStream();
byte[] buffer = new byte[1024];
int len;
while ((len = in.read(buffer)) != -1) baos.write(buffer, 0, len);
in.close();
return new String(baos.toByteArray());
}
static String queryUser(String auth, String apiKey) throws IOException {
HttpsURLConnection c = (HttpsURLConnection) new URL("https://api.vrchat.cloud/api/1/auth/user?apiKey=" + apiKey).openConnection();
c.setRequestProperty("Authorization", "Basic " + auth);
return readResponseEntirely(c.getInputStream());
}
public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
String userDetails = queryUser(Base64.getEncoder().encodeToString(args[0].getBytes("UTF8")), "JlE5Jldo5Jibnk5O5hTx6XVqsJu4WJ26");
System.out.println(userDetails);
System.out.println(userDetails.substring(userDetails.indexOf("\"tags\"")));
}
}```
floral aspen
neat
tacit plank
You don't need the APIKey in the URL if you're logged in. It might just be in the cookie though?
sullen escarp
idk i wanted to do this in the laziest way possible lol
cinder pier
Is this the same as sneps friend checker?
sullen escarp
maybe? idk what that is
cinder pier
Snep made a site where you can check friends using API output
floral aspen
Adi this is a program to check your rank not your friends
floral aspen
yeah
tidal aspen
sneps' site is just a thing that formats the api request
floral aspen
didn't know Snep's program also included their rank
cinder pier
It does and it's showing everyone as new users too
tidal aspen
yeah api is showing everyone as a new user
floral aspen
probably some rank adjustments going on before the new open beta drops
vocal shard
is this your entire code tho ? I can't get it to work by default (cookies disabled, and cloudflare need them to be enabled)
sullen escarp
yeah, this is the entire program
should just be able to compile it with javac and run it as java RankChecker username:password
vocal shard
I run it directly inside Eclipse
sullen escarp
ok yeah that's what i'm doing
you're formatting the username:password part correctly?
vocal shard
yeah
sullen escarp
🤔
vocal shard
well maybe it's due to my java configs, idk
sullen escarp
that's weird, it's working for me fine
vocal shard
I don't remember how I used to get around this problem, maybe by setting another http agent or something
tidal aspen
could be including enter as \n
sullen escarp
you shouldn't have to modify anything for it
the input is just a command line argument
so that shouldn't be an issue i think
oh wait yeah, there might be an issue if there's a newline
good point
make sure the Program arguments box in Eclipse is just username:password, no newline
vocal shard
I just added this and now it's working, idk
System.setProperty("http.agent", "VRChat");```(you can replace "VRChat" by anything you want)
sullen escarp
o_O
what tags did you get when you ran it btw? anything above intermediate?
wanna see if it's only me with this issue or not lol
floral aspen
I'm about to check it. Just gotta install the jdk first
vocal shard
I have all my tags (I am only a system_trust_basic on my account tho)
sullen escarp
ah ok
vocal shard
also maybe you used to "loose" some ranks somehow (that seems strange, but you may check on the API if they are still there)
sullen escarp
the only thing i can think of is that:```
- basic auth is bad
- sending too many requests at a time is bad``` and that one of these is resulting in rank loss
because it's not like i just dropped to nothing immediately, it literally removed a rank every time
vocal shard
first one if false, since game requests are done using the basic auth (with VRChat accounts only)
but that's strange
I never use to have this problem
uhh
maybe the trust system check it :/
floral aspen
at long as you aren't querying the api more than once every 60 seconds that shouldn't be an issue
vocal shard
like it check if your request is from the game or not
maybe we should ask Tupper or someone who know how the trust system works for that
sullen escarp
originally, the program made two requests when it was run so that it could get the api key, so i think it might have been the too many requests thing\
vocal shard
the game do the same thing
sullen escarp
if that's the case, that's a pretty big penalty
yeah i figured it should be fine
but the game probably uses the non-basic auth, right?
vocal shard
The game do lots of requests at the start of the game (config, auth, avatar, world, friend, ...)
nah it use basic auth
or maybe it doesn't and I didn't used to get how it works properly
sullen escarp
i'd have to imagine that it keeps the cookie so it doesn't have to repeatedly call the login api
or maybe it spaces out the requests slightly more than a few nanoseconds lol
@covert chasm are you able to provide any insight as to whether this would cause trust rank loss?
floral aspen
I seriously doubt it would
also he probably can't tell you whether something can decrease your trust rank
sullen escarp
yeah probably not, but i figured i'd try asking anyway
vocal shard
the system_trust_intermediate rank isn't loose when using another thing than the game to log in
or at least not with a few connections
sullen escarp
i haven't lost that one yet, it's the known and trusted ones that are gone now
queen mango
Is the update out today?
floral aspen
no
queen mango
Ah
floral aspen
if an update drops it will be announced in #announcements
queen mango
Alright. I'll keep in touch
vocal shard
ok it seems like theses ranks have been removed
or at least for a lot of people
like I have some friends that was known and trust users (system_trust_trusted and system_trust_veteran) that don't have their ranks anymore
@sullen escarp
sullen escarp
but in the span of 10 minutes?
raven silo
only highest rank is trusted
umbral oracle
Maybe the admins are trolling you guys. Or like manually doing api calls is causing an exception on their backend service
sullen escarp
lol
vocal shard
nah tupper still have theses ranks
raven silo
because he admin
vocal shard
yeah, but this won't call an api error so
tacit plank
It seems that it has been removed for anyone who has logged in lately
umbral oracle
Like quantum ranks. You might be trusted but by observing it you change the result. My guess is they wait to recompute the rank until you query it
floral aspen
we'll find out in a few days when the new open beta releases
tacit plank
If they removed our ranks for using the public API (as permitted by the staff, as long as it's not done maliciously), I wouldn't be motivated to create content for the game anymore
But lets wait and see
vocal shard
nah that's not for using the api
floral aspen
Caffeine I seriously doubt people are getting their trust rank removed for using the api
tacit plank
Thye're probably just messing with things still
floral aspen
like I said, probably some rank adjustments going on in the background before the new open beta releases
umbral oracle
Ya it's clear they are tweaking stuff so it is probably random. No they won't cause you to lose ranks by querying it :-p
tacit plank
A little information would be nice though, hint hint
vocal shard
I used to see my friends ranks using the endpoint users/<usename>/name, and they used to loose some ranks, so using the api isn't the problem (using my own account)
tacit plank
They lost ranks when you looked them up?
From my experience, it just removed them all at once rather than gradually
Same rank for every user too, besides those that haven't logged in today, they have their usual rank
vocal shard
I think theses ranks have been removed before I look at them
sullen escarp
could be that the login has some kind of decay factor on the rank
raven silo
system_trust_intermediate mean your rank trusted
sullen escarp
wouldn't that be system_trust_trusted?
vocal shard
it's working the other way ^^'
sullen escarp
that's what i was getting earlier
tacit plank
Nevermind, my trust_legendary friend just changed to intermidate, I guess it just takes a while for the system to update every user
vocal shard
system_trusted_veteran is "trusted user" also
tacit plank
It used to be your API rank -1
sullen escarp
wait what
floral aspen
when looking at the ranks with the api, your actual rank is offset by 1
rigid crescent
Is it still like that though since we don't know how they look in the beta any more?
floral aspen
idk
tacit plank
You needed legendary tag to be vet, vet tag to be trusted, trusted to be.. Known? I didn't memorize the lower ranks lol
vocal shard
yep you"re right
floral aspen
except now vet doesn't exist and has been replaced with friend
rigid crescent
Vet>Trusted>Known>User>New User>Visitor
tacit plank
You can find out. Currently we're reverted to the rank where you can upload content, does it match up or is it still off by 1?
vocal shard
known to be "user", and under that you are "visitor"
oof I forgot the "new user" rank ^^'
raven silo
"system_avatar_access" let you upload avatar
1 "system_world_access" let you upload world
2 "system_legend"
3 "system_trust_basic"
4 "system_trust_intermediate"
ther basic and intermediate
rigid crescent
Now we're only seeing intermediate yeah?
raven silo
mostly like trusted is intermediate and basic known
they adjust it mostly like everyone who play while have intermediate
vocal shard
you earn it
well most people seems to be "new users" or "visitors" now using build 632 (there is no more trusted user or known user)
tacit plank
I can only find the avatar access tag for "can publish avatars"
vocal shard
system_trust_basic, system_avatar_access and system_world_access seems to be gave at the same time
sullen escarp
i feel like system_avatar_access is probably what distinguishes between visitor and new user
i have an old account i used for like a day that has only "tags":["system_avatar_access","system_world_access"],"developerType":"none"}
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/BC4Ke/d0c8ad1f82.png yeah my recently upload-approved only has th ese
heady kiln
the ones who only have the system access tags are users that havent been on since they added the trust rank for the sdk
vocal shard
I may be wrong, but maybe system_trust_basic and system_trust_intermediate are mean for "new users" 🤔
vocal shard
user is _known
heady kiln
I'm guessing they're wiping everything to recalculate ranks
sullen escarp
that might be
vocal shard
yeah maybe
heady kiln
it wouldn't make sense to start over, that would be basically telling the oldest users to F off
raven silo
lol what it mean we have this lol
"system_avatar_access"
1 "system_world_access"
2 "system_legend"
3 "system_trust_basic"
4 "system_trust_intermediate"
5 "system_feedback_access"
6 "system_trust_basic"
7 "system_trust_basic"
sullen escarp
lolwut
golden bluff
lol
heady kiln
lol
vocal shard
also they seems to have done a few modifications on the game today, according to the steam branches (https://steamdb.info/app/438100/depots/)
tacit plank
You need a verified account, developertype internal and "system_avatar_access" to upload
You have 3 basic ranks?
tacit plank
Lol strange
vocal shard
developertype internal is reserved for admins isn't it ?
tacit plank
Idk, this is just what some code told me. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to look so I won't mention it any further
quiet prawn
there is no harm in reading the api
raven silo
developertype only for admin and vrchat developer
vocal shard
have the vrchat devs said anything about trying to support the oculus quest? id imagine its a big fat "no" due to its power
golden bluff
0: "system_avatar_access"
1: "system_world_access"
2: "system_trust_basic"
3: "system_trust_intermediate"
4: "system_feedback_access"
5: "system_trust_known"
username: "e-lady"
vocal shard
oculus quest ?
quiet prawn
Yeah, I thnk it's the other way around.
heady kiln
you're back to user?
vocal shard
oculus quest is a stand-alone VR headset
golden bluff
Feels user man
sullen escarp
e-lady, does that known go away if you log in again?
rough pulsar
souped up oculus go with 6dof & controllers
vocal shard
has power better than the PS3 and Xbox 360
oh like oculus go (maybe it's the same headset)
but worse than PS4 / Xbox One
golden bluff
let me try
vocal shard
supposedly, at least, from what one of the devs said
quiet prawn
Vr chat can probably support Oculus quest.... Oculus Quest can't support VRCHAT
vocal shard
costs $399 and doesnt require a PC
raven silo
mostly like be able play Alta space on it ol
vocal shard
I don't think it is supported by Unity 5 tho
heady kiln
quest could support vr chat, if you turn avatars off 
sullen escarp
good thing that's an option now lol
raven silo
problem how avatar and world get stored
heady kiln
well, we'll see if they ever add vrchat to the oculus store
vocal shard
could probably do it the hard way and force it to remove itself every time it isnt using the avatar / world
well let's wait for the game to use Unity's XR rather than steamVR, and speak about cross-compatiblity later ^^'
sullen escarp
just imagine all the mobile users lol
raven silo
mostly like people make Stream from steam VR app for it
vocal shard
yeah, windows assetsbundles (avatars/worlds) aren't compatible on any other platform
rough pulsar
I can say from personal experience, developing VR content to support mobile VR is a pain in the arse x900 :C
raven silo
only reason they made get people dont use computer much get into vr
quiet prawn
Only if it's your arse Gallium.
sullen escarp
yeah i can't imagine it's a very friendly experience
raven silo
only reason it was made
vocal shard
I'm creating a crossplatform VRSocial game, I'm suffering currently ^^'
rough pulsar
My ass is fantastic
Asstastic even.
sullen escarp
do you have a repo for that slay?
vocal shard
no, it's in closed alpha currently
quiet prawn
Feel the pain Slay.
vocal shard
the basics (server, networking, cloud building/storage, cross-compatibility (VR+Mobile))
and addon loading
umbral oracle
Slaynash, I'm actually surprised unity assets aren't automatically cross platform. What exactly would prevent a mesh or material fron rendering on a different platform
golden bluff
Yeah my thing reset when I logged on
0: "system_avatar_access"
1: "system_world_access"
2: "system_trust_basic"
3: "system_trust_intermediate"
4: "system_feedback_access"
vocal shard
the way shaders are compiled
umbral oracle
Even for hlsl binary shaders, unity has an official tool to cross compile those to all other supported platforms
umbral oracle
vocal shard
when building an asset, it will store a shader working on DX only (for VRChat)
umbral oracle
Also if you are willing to whitelist shaders that wouldn't be a problem for a first version
Yes dx is great. The cross compiler will translate it to glsl for mac or vulkan for linux
Maybe it is still WIP
sullen escarp
isn't that Cg, not DX?
umbral oracle
No it translates dx shader bytecode to any reasonable platform. True you would need to precompute or do it from a thread to improve loading times
sullen escarp
oh, that's pretty cool
umbral oracle
But it should be possible to implement is my point. I think unity even does this internally when compiling for a different platform
umbral oracle
Because the hlsl compiler is way more forward than what you get with gl. And doesn't depend on the drivers like how glsl works
vocal shard
speaking of vulkan...
also I don't know why, but the compiled assetbundles don't have the same size on each platforms
https://download2.survival-machines.fr/size_ab_uvr_diff.png
maybe the texture compression
oh wait, did we already update to 5.6 for unity?
am i slow
VRC is running on unity 5.6.3p1
do we have vulkan support? D:
idk
I know Unity 2017 have it
uh
I think....
rough pulsar
Been running on 5.6 for about a year now. 🤣
raven silo
nop
tacit plank
Don't hate me for uploading my world a lot, I'm an idiot and keep making mistakes in it
vocal shard
well Unity 2017/2018 have a lot of improvements since 5.6, but the assetbundles aren't totally compatible anymore
who would be the best person to take hostage to get vulkan support?
raven silo
going be while see unity upgrade
inner cape
Hackspanner
tacit plank
Is it impossible to add new 2017 worlds while keeping the old ones working? (running two versions, essentially)
raven silo
upgrade unity break alot things
vocal shard
one possible thing would be to re-import the shaders since this is what cause the problems
tacit plank
So it would load the version that the map is using
vocal shard
when I was loading VRC avatars on 2018.1, I had to "remap" the shaders on the avatars or they would show up pink
umbral oracle
Ya I think that might be what you would do. In a sense vrchat is kind of doing that already with the shader whitelist
vocal shard
yep
tacit plank
Argh, the VRC triggers are broken
Past some amount of random objects, the randomize oninteract will just decide to do all of them
vocal shard
wtf
tacit plank
Hmm, not getting consistant results with it though
vocal shard
how did you used to test it tho ?
tacit plank
Guess I will have to reupload again without having the spawner in the map two places
It's an oninteract with 24 or so random "spawn object", weighted equally
tranquil perch
i think ive spent way too much time playing with baked lighting >.> tis a tedious little thing
trigger wise, i havent had any issue
then again, i only have 1 synced trigger, the other is local
tranquil perch
yup
tacit plank
Okay so don't duplicate anything which spawns stuff, even if the duplicate is only connected with triggers to itself
tranquil perch
its been mostly fixing the lightmap UVs and then rebaking to see if it fixed issues. Even the lower quality bake still takes a minute or two though
although its tempting to remove the light probes temporarily to increase the bake speed
fossil palm
How do you get access to the closed beta?
vocal shard
You need to be invited
It's closed
When they put an open beta, the rest of us can try it out
fossil palm
Oh okay
vocal shard
beta of?
sullen escarp
vrchat
willow solstice
oh interesting, anyone who logs in today will only show up as new user, so we'll only know what the new ranks are upon them updating the game next
guess other people above already noticed
sullen escarp
seems that way, yeah
vocal shard
oh
they removed the old ranks
to update to new ones ?
or did i misunderstand ?
The API just seems to show people as a normal user now. No ranks. Maybe they're hiding them... Idk
tacit plank
Does planar decimation mess with UVs?
Seems like it. Oh, and disabling shadows means that there's less polygons according to Unity, interesting
vocal shard
00f
golden bluff
Seems like ranks got rolled back to original ranks someone might of deleted everything lol
vocal shard
rank machine broke
sullen escarp
vrchat team trolling the community successfully
tacit plank
My vet (legend) didn't come back qq
golden bluff
Looks like a couple of my veteran friends got deranked to trusted
tacit plank
My friend who had been legend even after ranks were getting deleted is on intermidate still
I think it's taking it a while to update the DB
vocal shard
is simulating a blowjob allowed
sullen escarp
it seems like it's also just updating it lazily
vocal shard
...
tacit plank
Probably a bad idea in public worlds
golden bluff
No they are going to keep the tags
rigid crescent
Veteran still "exists" in the api
vocal shard
check the new blog post in #announcements
golden bluff
system_trust_legend
rancid vessel
You guys really need to fix your Vote to kick system.. People be abusing it all the time on me.
vocal shard
they gonna use trusted user for everyone instead of veteran
and why he ahs untrusted user ?
rigid crescent
How do you think it should be fixed
rancid vessel
While I'm the silent one mainly doing nothing.
tacit plank
That sucks mario
candid hare
probs reimpliment Veteran rank later
sullen escarp
@rancid vessel lol i don't think i've ever seen a successful votekick before
tacit plank
No person with a wanko profile picture can be a bad guy
inner cape
rigid crescent
I've seen a few joke ones here and there
but I've never heard of the same person being votekicked all the time
tacit plank
"Wanko to Kurasou"
vocal shard
Unless you have some sort of avatar basically asking to be kicked.....
tacit plank
People only kick you if they think you're doing the bad shader that is lagging everybody out
rigid crescent
Yeah, never seen a totally unprompted kick, that's for sure
tacit plank
They might happen, but they shouldn't be common
I did a successful votekick against a hacker btw
But he was a flying robot who was spamming the whole instance (including those who had blocked him) with friend requests
sullen escarp
yeah usually you have to piss off the entire instance for a votekick to work lol
tacit plank
My RNG is broken
Well, I can't possibly prove it, but 90% of the time I'm getting the same two objects out of a pool of 26
Definitely broken when you have too many objects, but again, literally impossible to prove
steep quail
rip veteran
cerulean dust
vegetarian rank as my friend says.
queen mango
Devs hid it in their API.
tacit plank
They changed the weights, it's harder to get legendary tag now, but it's still there
rigid crescent
you'll still only see trusted though
delicate ravine
hello
odd beacon
just upgraded my cpu, i'm excited to see how well vrchat performs npw
tacit plank
Whatever they did with the random triggers, it's not random
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to find the code and underline the mistake, but I kind of feel like it
vocal shard
@tacit plank 
🔨
orchid relic
Does the camera not work for desktop players? O_o
just tried to pull it up in 2D for a stream setup...
indigo fern
well, he wanted it for stream, probably to show his avatars face in the corner
ruby burrow
@tidal aspen Trusted is the highest rank now.
indigo fern
also, read #announcements
veteran is not used anymore
ruby burrow
Veteran has been removed for now. It still exists behind the scenes, but currently has no real purpose.
indigo fern
so are random admin trust levels, but the api shows a lot of weird things
tidal aspen
was just making an observation
I was trusted and then they tweaked some values and got bumped to vet then back to trusted
ruby burrow
Which I support overall. It didn't really add anything spare bragging rights and adding unnecessary hierarchy.
tidal aspen
yeah
ruby burrow
Even if it still existed, I wouldn't have wanted the attention drawing aspect of it anyway.
thick flare
you can turn it off and hide your rank
ruby burrow
The functionality of Trusted is enough, without adding an extra "elite" status to it.
Yeah, but that also effectively reduced you to User rank in terms of permissions also, meaning your shaders and such get blanked.
thick flare
if you don't want the attention
ruby burrow
Also... whilst this is the most meaningless reason, I like purple. :v
median basalt
Some people are actually whining on the canny about their vet status being gone now
ruby burrow
That's a fair example of why it didn't need to exist I guess. xD
indigo fern
even though it literally did nothing 
thick flare
i wouldn't mind about the rank, i am still a green pleb either way
indigo fern
custom colors pls ;-;
it already reads out our rank in the menu
tidal aspen
reeee my epeen
ruby burrow
I mean, if they ever come up with some valid reason or extra feature to use it for, it can come back whenever. Just can't honestly think of one right now.
tidal aspen
would make sense for like a helper role or something
thick flare
why would you want a helper role in game?
tidal aspen
just so new players have people they could ask questions to I guess idk
indigo fern
im pretty sure the actual dev team takes their dev sign off half the time
people walking up to you constantly probably gets kinda, eh
velvet quarry
I bump into them fairly frequently, don't think I've seen a dev tag in 6-7 months.
umbral oracle
Ron had his on in the deadmau5 stream last night
velvet quarry
True, I don't tend to bump into Ron all that often, suppose he's usually in more public settings.
odd beacon
I just upgrade my cpu and now I'm getting 12 fps in vr for some reason
No matter what world I go to
velvet quarry
Does it have more cores then your previous one? Virtual or not
flat charm
i dont get the pointed of the ranks, now higher-up people are probably going to make fun of lower ranked people
point*
vocal shard
i want my veteran rank
velvet quarry
Don't take my word for it as I'm no expert on this, but I think VRChat doesn't utilize multiple cores properly? If anyone else could confirm or deny that.
odd beacon
the weird thing is it performed a lot better on my old CPU, which was a lot slower than the one I have now
And other games run faster so I'm thinking it's a vrchat problem
velvet quarry
I remember back in the day of GMod'n all that, hyperthreading would lower my performance as the source engine only wanted to use a single core.
rigid crescent
So all the video screens have been black for me for months, never bothered to look into fixes though. Any clues? I've tried reinstalling and clearing the cache, that's about tit
@flat charm Sounds like a good thing. You know what people to block.
vocal shard
@velvet quarry yeah vrc, doesn't use multiple cores properly, almost everything is running on one core, some small things are delegated, it's not vrchat's 'fault', it's Unity 5.6's architecture
flat charm
what are the qualifications for trusted rank
odd beacon
Gonna try reinstalling
rigid crescent
Check out the announcements
flat charm
k
velvet quarry
If you're able, it might be worth trying to disable the "hyperthreading" (Or whatever AMD calls it) If that's possible on your CPU, might improve your VRChat performance. @odd beacon
maiden hound
How do i get the saftey tab in the menu? I dont have it...
velvet quarry
The update is not live yet
rigid crescent
Read the announcements, it's not even out yet
maiden hound
ohh, only.. streamers and youtubers get it? like for testing?
rigid crescent
i mean there's some people using it that probably aren't supposed to
maiden hound
kk, makes sense. Thank youuu!
rigid crescent
rofl
sinful igloo
same, my sdk isn't working but that's cool, i'll try and use an older one.
gloomy pine
Guess I should have turned off auto update on steam so I could keep playing the beta damnit
gloomy pine
Not enough
velvet quarry
You'll have to decimate it then
jovial grail
all of this for a FUCKING CUP
velvet quarry
Should be able to decimate it in Blender, I believe there's plenty of tutorials for that around.
vocal shard
vrchat allows you pass the polygon limit if its an animation, doesnt it? NotLikeThis
i forget poly limit rules
velvet quarry
A cup doesn't sound like it needs to be 72,000 polygons
vocal shard
tbh you could probably find a mmd prop for a cup
and import that lol
and honestly afro you'd be surprised, downloaded a bowl and it was 83k polys
and i was just...
dumbfounded
solemn plover
Its recommended to decimate it.
vocal shard
jovial grail
i hope it works
because this model is SMOL
all i did was make a model in blender and slap it into unity
so it probably wont work
odd beacon
Tried uninstalling and adding and removing the launch option to disable singlethreaded, VRChat's still at ~12 fps
velvet quarry
I don't think a launch option will cause it to run multicore, it's due to the Unity version VRChat is running on.
odd beacon
The weird thing is that it ran much much better on my previous CPU which had less cores, less threads, and was pretty much slower in every regard
So I don't know why VRChat's running so slowly other than the fact that I upgraded it
velvet quarry
I could again be wrong on this, but I would imagine more cores = more of the CPU's resources divided per core, which isn't a problem on multicore games, but could be problematic on single-core games.
vocal shard
speaking of
is there an option to make this game to run on only one core?
running an intel cpu and dont wanna disable hyperthreading if i dont have too, would prefer to do it just for vrchat
funny things to make people say as a CTHULHU
rigid crescent
doesn't it only use one core
vocal shard
tupper said that's not true, but a common misconception. it does use more than one core, just not very well
rigid crescent
Oooh
velvet quarry
Sounds about right, as my CPU usage Isn't exclusively to one core, but hardly uses my CPU properly.
queen mango
Did you try setting the priority of VRChat in the Task Manager?
rigid crescent
whoa does that actually do something
raven silo
yea vrchat need go to unity 2018 that support better cpu threading
so we stuck with 1 core and other core for networking
pseudo herald
Are there other otherkins here?
olive iron
yikes
queen mango
Should this go to #general-media ?
winged quartz
Why are there two generals tho tbh
safe prism
raven silo
@winged quartz 2 General? i only see one
rough pulsar
vrchat general and public lobby
pseudo herald
Where are the links to servers for the events?
pseudo herald
I see, thanks.
upper fox
why does my vrchat crash when I click "exit vrchat"?
tacit plank
It does that sometimes