#vrchat-general-2
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I just dont wanna look lame
Also my HUD is going to be some giant piece of crap in front of my face now
Thats all
Sean, shut
@rough pulsar Damn. Thanks for confirming that either way. 
I use an MMD model I've adapted in Blender a fair bit. Leg proportion and arm proportion is ridiculous. May have to take some creative liberty to fix that, and see what I can get out of it.
Something to play with, at any rate.
no meme
the filters dont affect your own avatar
those shaders are the reason i hate shaders
The reason I don't see the problem with shaders, is that fallback shaders are pretty much the same as say, cubeds.
It seems to only limit things like spheres, guns, etc which I find annoying to begin with
Then vrc aint the game for u
I've haven't been playing VRChat for a while, and this is sort of a turn off as well. Big oof
@near sky Regardless of if you use fullbody or not, there's some info in the #full-body-tracking channel for ensuring matching avatar-user proportions.
@tacit plank it limits far more than just that
"this" as in what?
I know, but everyone else will the see the HUD mesh in front of my face
i play vrchat to be social and chat, not to be annoyed by particles, animations or shaders
If u dont tolerate the creativity of others, you are not welcome
Lmfao fuck the yellows
Sure it is, I just have friends with motion sickness, so why would I distort their screen or something like that?
I made a shader for my glasses for example. Poof, gone. White cylinders.
LOL look at thhat gatekeeping
anyone know any good avatar worlds with wedding outfits?
Sean, just leave now
you can also highlight someone and select "show avatar", which locally enables all their features for you
But thats discriminating
"If you don't see my annoying avatar, you don't belong here!"
Quantum has some nice effects on his edited Cubed shaders. Poof, gone. Standardized.
LOL
@rough pulsar Appreciated, Gallium -I'll give it a read man
anyone know any good avatar worlds with wedding outfits?
Yea
We do not appreciate you opinion, I am not going to agree with it.
I think they will whitelist more shaders though. It seems pretty easy for them
Jello shader that dents when you put your hand in it, gone.
you dont need to appeciate it, im just saying shaders like the one you use a lot of people dont like
when they want to just talk
@tacit plank they have to bundle every shader they whitelist with the game though as far as I know
For glasses, a standard shader at 10 or so alpha and reflection should do, though?
Maybe there can be a shader whitelisting channel or system?
Instead of blocking shaders we should be able to block normie's and lame ppl's opinions
Not if you want it to look better than that @tacit plank
I hope there is a shader whitelist system we can apply shaders to
Well, I guess so, but a shader is only a few KB at best
@median basalt All of those shaders are visible on your friends, people that have unhidden that avatar, and users that are in a trust rank that you've enabled shaders for. They aren't gone.
OmegaLul
Like we ask them to approve a shader
"gone" big meme
As stated in the blog post, shaders only fall back if they are blocked.
I'm guessing whitelisted shaders are going to be ones that are the most basic.
So what defines as being a "nuisance"? A couple of hard asses reporting you? What prevents abuse of the system from people reporting for no reason? I'm a little concerned about this.
Default settings basically ensure they won't be visible to many people, unless you have several hundred hours in the game
Yeah
We'll release details on the remapping/fallback system later... again, as stated in the Blog post.
You mean several thousand?
Lmao relax
Reports aren't the end all be all
No
@summer dew Addressed in previous blog post
I read the previous blog post?
there are some whitelisted shaders that are visible any time right?
It is really easy to show people too. So you just go around and ask people if they want to see something or they will wonder why your prop is a solid green cube and turn you on
@summer dew
Instead of ranks you could just have added block avatar feature
3 toon shades
like cubed and such?
Aren't a lot of "nuisnace" based bans/warnings manual?
"Although we canβt share exact details of how we mitigate these types of attacks, it is something that we are both prepared for, and can easily adjust to adapt to potential problems we did not foresee."
Very smart move to remove the Vet status, and to reiterate that low quality effort doesn't do anything
Basically we don't know and we'll figure it out later
Cuz blocking shaders will ruin every avatar lmao
A friend of mine has been blocked by like 600 people and he's trusted
approved
trusted, just not by those 600 blocks lol
Unironic use of that word scares me.
^
I actually kinda wonder how much of the pop of the game will disappear instantly
I don't think blocks really matter all that much, there could just be 600 people who don't like him.
They think vrc is some sort of rpg
Yeah
i leveled up charisma
ima enjoy all the ranks
Pretty adult to block someone just cuz u dont like him
they got rid of those RPG'ish features for that reason
Yes....yes it is.
A few blocks shouldn't matter, but at 600 it starts being an indicator that he's doing something wrong
Instead of insulting that person, you just block them to avoid any contact.
So apparently blocks don't matter, which is fine by me
How to solve problems like an adult 2k18
Of course, anyone will get 600 blocks sooner or later given enough playtime, but yeah
Or they don't matter as much
They are making it into a safe space imo, just disable avatars if you just want to talk to people lol
^
It will stifle creativity a bit but doesn't prevent creativity with shaders. And in exchange we will get people hanging out in public worlds again. It is to try to make it easier for new users to get engaged
I miss gunter
So what do you do? Let them be annoying and blast you with particles, shaders, etc? How is blocking not an adult thing to do?
Yes it does
I think it's blocks and mutes. I saw a knuckles which played music recently, he had that rank (or at least users in the instance told me so)
Trust system is a step in the right direction, but I don't think there should be this many restrictions on people below trusted
Exactly
I'm all for a customization system
Disable sound maybe
Also, I'm glad that they renamed the wording to Shield rather than Safety
i mean, is a game, i should not have to deal with annoying people, if i wanted that i could just stay at my workplace
Because the new wording is far less misleading
Everyone's game experience isn't the same, but these are some pretty good features they're implementing
Whatever, if people wanna block my shaders then I'll let them
Oculus Quest is expected to be released Spring 2019.
You should be trusted by default (or like 20-30 hours gameplay) and then be restricted from stuff if you abuse it. Not have to "earn" this stuff back.
everyone has their own sensitivity level, and you have the option to not be like them
is it going to be compatible with steam
Vrchat will not release on quest
nah nova
lol that's a terrible idea Nova
The point of VRChat is to look at and become avatars, it's not to see who can warp screens the most
Sit there 20 hours, instant trust.
if you're trusted by default it wouldnt stop the crashers
please don't let the new update be "The Great Ugandan Purge"
Trust should not be based solely on ingame time
Restriction would need to be nearly manual, that's something harder to automate.
But trusted user should be something you earn fairly quickly if you are legitimately playing IMO
not that much time nova
Id be ok with a purge of those little red fuckers
Serial crashers won't want to spend 20 hours between each crash they perform
I think known should allow shaders and particles by default. Known is hard but at least it is attainable without devoting your life to vrchat for a year
20 hours is nothing tbh
you can just leave it on in the background all day
If they wanna avoid selective crashes, I think blocking animations is enough
Don't have to block shaders entirely
wouldnt it be better if the nametag stays green through all ranks and you can only see the rank of a user by actually inspecting them? im realy sad now
Serial crashers dont crash with avatars
There should be a block all particles button
Thats why we all hate that blocking system
I think that would come in handy
vrc will be dead by spring 2019 anyways
@sweet meadow that's kinda the point I was making. The trust system doesn't stop network crashers.
Cuz it doesnt prevent
"Each crash" atm, it's hard to detect crashers. In the future, as security is improved, they can give out ranks faster or lower the standards
Lol I doubt the game will die by spring unless the devs do something really stupid
it's not a bad idea
If the devs literally stopped working on the game right now, it would still be alive by spring
@languid compass i never played runescape lol
Rokk
So they would have to actively try and kill it
haha they use that system
Or get baked in
@median basalt so why wont next gen headsets be compatible with this
It won't die until it stops doing that
Why are people so negative in here, anyways?
Idk
Sky is falling mentality
Feelsbadman
There were 2 community riots that saved the game. The first one was with the implented particle limiter, the second one i dont remember
Edgy teens?
If your shaders aren't a pain in the ass, other people won't block them in the first place
^this
i like the ranking system and cant wait for it to be released
Negative conversation is a lot more attractive and conducive to spurring on further convo than positive conversation.
tupper
Omegalul Tupper
I'll be a lot more willing to hang out in public lobbies than I was before, once this system is in place. No more people on fresh accounts with cancerous screenspace shaders and obscenely loud noises. No more people who spend their nights making new accounts over and over again because they get their kicks from going around shader crashing lobbies until they get banned, make a new account, rinse, repeat.
@vocal shard VRC is incredibly resource intensive. The Oculus Quest doesn't stand a chance of running it reasonably. Especially if even 6th gen i7s and 1080's struggle at times.
ok
I love vrchat. If you see something that looks like negativity it is because people are passionate and emotions get lost in text.
That's a good point, a lot just seems to say that the game is dying, so I'm wondering why they're even here
I'm definitely gonna be in publics more often too
Publics are a 50/50
I love vrchat tio
I just love this game because its finnaly giving me a reason to learn Unity
I'm here because I love the community and that's not going to change because a couple restrictions got added
Once I get my god damned avatar to stop asserting dominance
@umbral oracle excellent point too. People react negatively sometimes because they see changes as potential disruptions to their passion and community. So its understandable that people might think "THE SKY IS FALLING" sometimes.
Thats why we here
People are stupid, basically. There was a "boom" due to the memes and the exposure it gave, but that did die down.
I'll go on more public worlds
I'm just waiting for the new patch so I can go to public.
Also often those who love something the most are also the most critical of it because they want it to be the best it can be.
@rigid crescent Like most popular games lul
You know what doesn't say vrchat is dying? Actual stats from places like steamcharts which show gains in the average number of players month over month since the falloff in the winter.
We just want proper addressment for our concerns instead of "we can't tell you and we'll figure it out"
The pop has been increasing since the knuckles died out
That's a little concerning in of itself
Why concern?
yeah i heard that the knuckles thing pushed folks to private worlds for a while
The only thing that would cause me to leave is if user generated content got disabled completely or had to go through a slow approval process even for friends
Yea, bcuz you should handle changes with every part of the community, yes, even with the small amount of creators and diehard animators
sky is falling
i was one of those people invalid

since i dont like memes
'What concern rather.
Not on your own
i stayed in just privates
People who do animation and pushing the limits of avatar development are basically just waiting for something to happen
panics
Why would they tell in detail how the system works? It'd lead to instant abuse.
i really enjoy public worlds
I work for a company and I think it is normal and expected to reveal nothing about future decisions before they are finalized. It has gotten increasingly important sadly in the modern age because one wrong word can spark a rumor
Public worlds can be super fun
Current concerns are network crashes, invisible players, changing others avatars (maybe into ones that crash you upon logging in), spawning in objects, client hacks which friend/mute/block every person in the room to mess with stats
can also be a bit of a snooze sometimes though
public worlds are hard to enjoy b/c of all the particles animations and shaders
rip
its the main reason i hate being in them
vive pro... last supported headset by VRC
Yea
F
You just get into bad public worlds then
Or mixed reality
no asian
My problem with publics now are just the quality of people in them is a lot lower than before the malicious stuff was as common as it is.
Does the job ok
is it normal that I can only see a few rooms in each world instead of all of them?
i dont like those things at all
I think shields to maximum (is that how you say it now?) should fix some of those issues by blocking animations
been like this for a while now
public is like the zoo right now, I go on an expedition every once in a while
well
there are the times when you get the crashers and particle spammers etc.
the rest might be private instances thereal
Well idk then because my public worlds are usually fine
Yo ucan only see public rooms on the world list
ohh right
Sean, particles are nothing illegal, they deserve their place and can sometimes be beautiful, if you would give them a chance. Otherwise you are just a misled hater
so many private then
Now if we could just punish crashers in the box id be happy
Russians and asians are always on in the morning/afternoons
obito
Yes
i dont like particles, they're annoying most of the time, and im in this game to talk, not to look at those things
Particles aren't always bad, there's plenty of users that don't abuse them and just use them to enhance their avatar.
lol
that's unfortunate.
If you're just here to talk, why are you even playing VR
normies!
But it is a part of vrchaz
A shine on a ring/necklace, something neat on their glasses, etc
Thank you mic
Go to like Teamspeak or Discord VC
ban all normies!
Cringe
My favorite particle effect was a simple custom shine a girl had on her ring, I think she said her husband modeled it for her and they were married IRL
b/c teamspeak and discord arent good places to talk to a lot of people
Particles can be used for subtle effects and for fun, like an avatar that has hearts floating out when they want to show you they like you
If u dont like the entirety of the product, maybe you are wrong?
just saying particles is pretty it seems.
But it's the intrusive particles that are annoying.
Yes
I like the avatar aspect, and avatars sometimes have non-default shaders. But I don't see the point in effects that cover all of the screen, or loud music, or anything like that
Someone play with me :c
broad*
I like particals. If done right i can really pull an avatar together
Honestly it really just matters on what you think is intrusive
By intrusive I think most people know I mean using them to annoy people
But particle abusers get ppl like me blocked, even tho i optimize and make em publuc friendly
i dont have anything on my avatars, besides cubed basic shaders
Yeah if somone has a partical emmitrr that just blasts emojis its anoying
Instead of the trust system, why not give us the ability to toggle it at our own discretion?
If you're blasting around emoji particles and whatnot, that's annoying.
anything besides that i'd find annoying
Vanilla
We do have the ability to toggle it. The ranks just let you categorize it better.
Isn't that what the particle limiter is for though?
the trust system does enable to toggle said settings on/off
And i hate those particle haters that block everyone on sight that doesnt use a cheap shader
Nova, that's exactly what they did. I will play with shields down so to speak
The particle limiter isn't exactly user friendly.
Aha
OK, real question, did you read either article?
The default is automatic. Everything can be customized
you can customize it
Yes, I read both
you have the option to customize the levels of 'shields' so to speak.
THe trust system is automatic, with some manual thrown in I'm sure. It doesn't change your avatar or how yo usee your avatar.
And VRChat puts you into a certain rank based upon your activity
you can customize the "What you seE" settings all you want
Not just activity but sure, let's go with that.
Obito, now they can just hide your avatar but still hear you. Way better than being forced to block completely
Yea
Unless by "activity" you mean the activities you participate in lol
No normies allowed plz
Nova - people are automatically assigned a trust level by VRC. You can choose what trust level has what blocked/allowed, you can choose whether you use the system at all, and you can set things for individual users if you want an exception but still want the rules in place.
Yeah, then if you "play the game" so to speak, you get a higher rank. You can still choose what you wanna block though, even with Friends now which I like
all i know is ima still block anyone who sounds like a kid and block anyone with knuckles still
I like the system, but I don't like the automation part.
If I'm considered normal, then therapist is a safe career choice
What's wrong with it?
if you get motion sickness you are a normie
i want my rank back...REEEEEE 
i dont like memes that much
how did you loose it?
The knuckles which are still there aren't that bad, but only because there's only a few of them
Basically you have to go about making friends and playing the game in order to earn stuff to the "Default" user.
You don't think assigning ranks should be automated Aurora?
Yes
because they removed it @river thunder
...yeah? You have to play the game. That makes sense to me.
oh yeah
@lofty tundra 
forgot about the loss of veteran
if it wasn't automated, there would be mayhem.
So someone should manually assign a rank to the every single user in VRChat?
You aren't really "earning" anything though, outside of avatar upload priveleges.
Ranks are still in the API, don't worry
im sad because of it >.>
I just hope I dont loose my fukin user rank
People will customize their settings the way they want and you're free to do the same.
That isn't even feasible
@mighty galleon . Knuckles are adorable. They are an endangered species and must be protected at all costs.
that's sounds resource wasting tbh
i just dont get why people were so fucking butthurt because of the veteran rank, i just.....cant understand it
I've only blocked like 3 people over the course of playing
there are thousands of players in VRChat
I mean we really didn't need it to be honest
i cant imagine having that job
true
"hey mate, you gotta assign roles to every user"
So what's wrong with automation? You just keep saying you don't like it.
!online
There are 5085 users in VRChat currently
I will just block nothing, as it is, how the game is meant to be played and always was
Knuckles are ugly and have some hole in their neck which is disgusting in the same way that imagening kicking a brick with a toothpick under your nail is.
I already explained myself above
#NoDiscrimination
You're saying there aren't many nuisance players? That's not true though.
It is though
Otherwise the system wouldn't exist.
lmao you think someone on the team should just sit around all day assigning ranks manually to over 5,000 people?
i've always discriminated against certain things in game
to manually assign they'd have to hire an entire team
You must not play much, or sit in private/friend rooms.
specially shaders that a lot of crashers use
Well
Unless the game suddenly became a shitpile in the past 3 months or so
It's been a problem for longer than that.
so what kind of shaders do you not like sean?
I assume you dont have many friends, if u surpress ppl in your vicinity that much
ah
the one that you see a lot of crashers use
Which one? lol
This guy discriminates
idk the name, never asked they just have a distinctive look
NoeNoe?
The problems just changed. Knuckles went away, but there was essentially no custom shaders half a year back, now they're pretty common
2 different things
Lots of crashers use that one.
I hate gucci, but that doesn't mean i slap a guy for wearing it. π€
sean are you a racist?
Oh, cubed too, I see cubed on a lot of shaders
i use cubed alot.
You should get atleast a slight about what u are talking about
i get where your coming from sean
You don't trust Noe?
ehm
NOE NOE??? BLOCKEDDDD!!!!
You have no clue what you're actually talking about though and it's kinda cringy
CUBBBBEEDD?D?D? BLOCKCKCKEDD!!
But there are a lot of bad people, and "playing more" is the best indicator we currently have of how much you can trust users
you know that the crashers just name the shaders like the known ones to hide them right?
Noe noe with no light ramp better than cubed. Change my mind.
Just because it's used by the nuisance people doesn't mean that all people that use it are bad
lmao
Also those who upload their own avatars and worlds
I kinda hate cubed shaders for my own reasons, but that doesnt mean i block people who use it.
mic, i dont know the name of shaders, all i know is it has a distinctive loom and i see a lot of crashers wear it
Hurts my eyes though.
it's kinda like how one would associate a person with alot of body tattoos as some sort of gangster.
Lmao, crashers dont have a specific look
If anyone has a better system than this current one, they're free to share their ideas
They can even have a modified nikei with default shader
Cibbi just naming a custom shader the same name as a whitelisted shader isn't going to bypass the system
I think one of the crash groups used a shader with harsh rim lighting, don't know if they're still a thing but I see people get judged for it
I mean I think it's garish but I don't block people for it lol
there you go
not the one implemented in vrchat right now
the rimlighting
U can judge by personality, or u can just ruin the game and block on sight
What does rim lighting look like? I'd need an example
@tacit plank like crap
but you know, some people use modified clients with stuff like that
Crash groups, oh you probably know the name noe, do you?
and other people with other modified clients try to avoid that
i dont think i have apicture of it
Lmao
lemme check
I have no idea, I just had friends block people for using the shader
The shader defaults to a clientside whitelisted shder on your end.
its hard to describe.
I mean
@tacit plank Its aesthetic is in the name, but its misrepresented by what it actually says it does. Use Lux physically based shader works instead.
Rimlight is horrible in comparison. Pbr scattering is much easier to work with too ironically.
Everyone can crash cuz sadly it is easy, but u cant say"this is what a crasher looks like, block on sight". How can such behaviour not be banable?
hey does anyone know this guy named Magze?
I see, thanks
obito, many crashers have similar looking shaders
And I'm working on a few shaders for a friend now. They're just things like noise and cell patterns, but still
i'd rather be safe and block a person who have a chance of being a crasher
its what they've become associated with unfortunately
for i wont be annoyed by them
Yea, i have the same shaders, and i never crashed someone
Intentionally crashing other users is bannable and should be reported and if legit will result in a ban.
@mighty galleon You have every right to do that, nobodies opinion here on what you do really matters anyways.
Block anyone u want
i know
ye
You say that Obito, but it's super easy to stereotype people. I can basically tell how people are based on their name, avatar and voice, and I'm right 99% of the time
One thing I now love about knuckles is that people now use him creatively.
There's definitely a certain style at least one of the crasher communities is always using. Personally I look more for the blinged out guns, urban/gangsta style clothing, and the floating name tags. They're usually the best warning.
Yeah there's a lot of fun ones now, they've gone up in quality.
Crash=30 sec game restart. I rather restart my game than missing the chance of making a new friend in the oh so social vrchat
it is easy to notice the style of a crasher
i just see so many people take offense to opinion and i assume its due to anxiety in situations where the other people in the room dont agree.
block anyone u want is all im sayin
Then do it, Obito, but don't blame other people for thinking differently
No one is saying not to, just that it's stupid to do so.
obito, but what if you're in a middle of a convo and get crashed and didnt friend them?
Not really honestly.
lost them forever
Or rather, don't blame VRChat for giving others the power to choose if they want to see you or not
Its smart to the person doing it for themselves.
Lmao remember the name wtf^^
Plenty of people use rainbow rim shaders and other stuff, but there's usually a tell tale attitude to it, rather than just the shader itself.
Sean clearly just doesnt wanna restart his game.
I never go public
lol, I figured out why vrchat was lagging on my new GTX 1070 ti, apparently SteamVR thinks that 168% SS is appropriate for vrchat
its not easy to remember peoples names
and his choice is to avoid it all together. Pretty smart imo.
To block all users that use a certain shader? That's definitely stupid.
Eh, subjective.
If u go public it is your fault tho
If i could block all bright shaders i would
That's also a stupid thing to say. It's not your fault you get crashed. It's the crashers fault.
Sure
Some people have nameplates diabled for immersion
But u know the early state of the game
but you would call me stupid for that too without understanding that bright shaders hurt my eyes and cause migranes.
so entirely subjective.
No, because that's a good reason.
π€
You are caused physical pain by this.
Roleplay/immersion is cringe for me
whats wrong with immersion?
some peeps rp, some dont.
Public used to be safe, I played for months before I or anyone I knew got crashed
Compared to "well, what if they're crashers" even though it's just an "Aesthetic" people like.
@upper fox In my experience once you go above 150% SS you get increased performance loss with very little clarity gain.
Well sean is caused mental pain by shaders too lol
How can immersion be cringe? xD
Well, if I see someone with a large gun, a facemask , retarded clothing. And 5 different low performance shaders. I'm assuming they're a crasher.
let him do what he wants
When it said they were replacing vets with friends it became sweet to me
Guys getting immersed in a good book, game, movie, or any type of media is just....cringy. Didn't you know?
"only real vets are your friends"
that's literally the point of VR
Immersion is not really roleplay, it's just enjoying the experience. It's the entire reason people buy VR instead of using a monitor
That's like saying VR is cringe, because it's too convincing compared to watching a powerpoint slideshow.
as a side note, if you have evidence of someone crashing other users, send it to moderation@vrchat.com
@rough pulsar explains why I was able to run vrchat without lag earlier this year, then ran into performance problems later
SteamVR is a pain
Ah, that's a good idea
i know i made mine late 2017
I'd check your emails
Oof
@half pilot Either your confirmation email, or a url, give me a moment to get it for you
What a bro
im getting "vrchat is not responding errors" how does i fix
i play this game to talk with people, and get immersed, and all the other options like shaders, particles and animations break my immersion so im going to like this system for i can block all those things
I made my acc first day i started
and it will help lessen lag
@vocal shard #vrchat-support
It's not in /auth, is it? I forgot the URL
@rough pulsar Could i also get that url for my account?
LOOOOL
I think mine is 2 years, not sure.
ANIMATIONS BREAK YOUR IMMERSION, I'm dead.
@small wing @half pilot https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/
Will show you when you first downloaded vrchat off steam
Crud, I just accidentally edited the wrong message
Thanks a ton!
I guess by using my "surprised" animation, I'm breaking your immersion by showing actual shock at something you've said.
tbh
i think blocking shaders will worsen your immersion
unless cubed-toon-shaders is allowed pass
Or by making a sad face when you say something disappointing, it also breaks your immersion, yeah?
My app is lagging, so I'm going to go. Thanks for all your help though ouo/
Got any API link Gallium? I don't recall how long I used my Steam account
animation as to where they pop out a bunch of things, or use it to do ridiculous stuff
Cubed and Noe are whitelisted, possibly Xiexe but I haven't tested that one
Kinda depends what they are though Sean. A wizard avatar without their particles is just a loony waving his hands around.
okay cool
Except you ahve to block all animations
@tacit plank I've never seen any API properties indicating account creation date. If there are any they're non-public.
You're literally lowing the amount of immersion in the game lol
Thanks for that link Gallium
almost 2 years damn
Xiexe's were, last I checked
A fox girl without her animations will just be staring at you when she tries to AWOOO
I think I saw it once, I might be mistaken though
ive been playing a long time
idk, most animations i didn't like
lol "most animations"
animations like you described are the vast minority of them
And 50% of avatars without their shaders, will look like shiny playdough.
A few months ago, the default /username/name was changed though. It used to include friends, sociallevel and nuisancelevel
Sean is THE alphanormie
Most people have facial expressions, those are the most common type. I get you're set in your ways, but you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about...
He is the law itself
let him do what he does.
He's just ignorant is all.
OmegaLUL
nah, i just dont like the stuff
By animations he doesn't mean shapekeys, but things like spawning a drumset or a spaceship, I think
If vrchat ever blocked shaders entirely i would cry. I use very advanced pbr shaders that they wouldnt even probably know or use themselves. π¦
Sure, im just joking around m8
He does, but he's saying that those are "most" animations.
@blissful solar Also keep in mind that ALL facial expressions, would be disabled by blocking animations. You'll get only the default hand gestures and nothing else.
wrong sean, but i understand that
How does the current filter work on animations?
Most animations are facial expressions and the like, and hand gestures.
If creators get restricted more i surely wouldnt have a reason to create stuff anymore
Wrong Sean lol
if he really is playing vrchat just for the convo, it should be of no problem.
Because animations can currently be used to crash people
It turns them to the default animation things you have in unity
@small wing I feel the same. Unless the unity standard shader ever includes a preintegrated SSS feature, I kinda need shaders for good skin.
Unless you mean the more technical aspect, then I have no clue
@rough pulsar Do you use lux aswell?
If you create stuff, your rank will automatically go up Obito
Nah, rolled my own.
Dang
Blocking animations is definitely by far the most effective quick method to kill spam and unwanted effects, but it will also cut out the majority of anything special about an avatar also.
speaking of creating, i need to plan out a new world soon.
I've got no problem with him blocking animations, but assuming "most" animations are the flashy kind is definitely incorrect.
Actually read a bunch of slides and shit from a presentation at Siggraph and did a basic reimplementation of it in amplify shader editor with my own LUT and thickness maps.
Many animations aren't really flashy at all
Im trusted even tho many normies blocked me, so im glad atleast the automatic system knows im a good boi
Mine are just kinda eh
indeed, he used paticles and animations in a very broad sense.
i see a lot of animations to where they're just pulling stuff out of no where and slashing or hitting people with it
and thats mostly annoying
I just rip random animations from Pokemon and just place them on my model.
@small wing I can toss you a link if you're interested in reading it.
Nothing really flashy about it
@rough pulsar If you are down to send that my way and if its better than lux in certain aspects that would be a nice help.
Mhmm. He can block whatever he wants of course. I was just getting the impression he doesn't realise how much else it will block.
Damn, Gallium, you're not half-assing things. Got a link or downloadable example of these things?
He's probably ignorant on how things are because he blocks everything lol
lol
Passive agressive
i'd rather have everything block b/c im not in the game to see them
Recently I tried looking for shaders to use on regular clothes and skin, and I literally couldn't find any
Since this isn't going to let you choose which kind of animations. Game without animations is a game where no avatar can smile or frown.
It's a node nightmare and kinda specific for my exact use case. When I've got some free time I might have a go at making it more general purpose. @tacit plank @small wing
I'd also be okay with whatever shader those niconico videos use. Looks much better than in-game for me
No one makes any shaders for skin or clothes, or at least any good ones.
Is that a single billboard? Get blocked + reported for particle spam
Either that or no one makes the good ones public
xd
i tried dabbling in the shader scene.
i dont report anyone
You have to be a bot or something lol "i play this game to talk with people, and get immersed" what immerses you if not facial expressions?
Good call on the changes in the update lads
Its a joke
My man Mark
@sterile drift xiexe shader is good for skin
Ah, alright. I don't need anything super fancy, just a default shader that doesn't look like metal or plastic.
It would be awesome if you could release anything on the forum though
i dont really look for facial expressions?
it definitely requires knoweledge to be able to get the effects you want.
@vocal shard my boy
I will check out xiexie
@empty wharf :) π
Oh I'd believe it Mimi, Xexie's shader does look really good for a lot of things
Never heard about that
I've been looking for that one BOTW shader
But... but... facial expressions are the best. βΉ
My shaders scary boy
My character has a great stomach, it needs to look... stomachy
I pray on synlogic's panning outline
eh, i could live without facial expressions
I wanna transfer over some things to use it instead to see how it looks, starting with the NND Compass models of Miku
Check #vrchat-pictures
@tacit plank @small wing http://lousodrome.net/blog/light/tag/pre-integrated-skin-rendering/
Has links to various articles and sutff on the technique, and this is what gave me the most info to go on.
http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2011/Penner - Pre-Integrated Skin Rendering (Siggraph 2011 Advances in Real-Time Rendering Course).pptx
Rather than the shader I'm using now
as far as I can remember, xiexe's started life as an attempt to mimic the shaders in BotW
@small wing don't worry buddy. I have enjoyed your avatars.
Thanks! I will bookmark them
@weary bison I assume it did, he even has a shader called "BOtW Eye"
Yeah Xiexe looks great in the right worlds.
I respect those highly who mimic big budget games on effects and stuff
Im on phone so no bookmarking xd
And download one of them, according to my browser
Hi Ron :^)
I only breed horror avatars that are original
it was fun seeing him every few days and looking at how it changed
@sly veldt Thanks a lot man, Been learning a lot about how game development works just because of vrchat alone. β€
I appreciate it a ton.
The second one is the presentation slides from Siggraph @tacit plank
I notice your avatars <3
My avatars are subpar at best honestly
I think your avatars are cool Veinhelm
They annoy some people, but not a lot of people
@empty wharf Break your back and kick some ass my guy. And if you already are then flaunt that like there is no tomorrow in a world. β€
People usually say I'm good but ehh I completely disagree
Good use of facial expression is what really makes a person stand out for me. In the early days of watching the game on youtube before I'd played it, I was always impressed at Klaus (in Oathmeals videos) and how well he brought things to life with well timed expressions.
@small wing ayy lmao. Friend me in VrC my dude same name and all
it's always funny when facial expressions break because you eventually become a mutant
XD
Chill with me sometime dog
Heh, yeah you do have to watch out for that. Both the chair bug and occasionally weird combined ones.
@empty wharf Add me instead, i might forget same name lowercase
I usually forget to add some people myself honestly
Will do brother
@sterile drift me all the time.
Some VR users are super expressive
The most expressive people I've seen are usually mutes, they know they have to make up for the lack of voice with something
Leg trackers are cool af but niche
You should see me when I get excited and passionate about something caffeine :D
They just use expressions and movement to the point where they seem more human than actual humans
Gallium I donβt know you well, but I believe that
Yeah. Mutes live by that stuff.
Mutes are cool
I only go mute to immerse in my avatars
But that lasts two seconds lol
Haha, I'd like to, do you host VRChat events?
Lol
I sometimes go mute in VR because my voice fits my loli characters... Rather poorly
hmmm, i've never really gone mute before
a desktop mute is the worst mute to be
i should try it sometime
That's part of why I was mute for so long in VRC. It's so fun to try and stay true to your avatar's character and act out their expressions and thoughts.
^
you cant even express feelings
@tacit plank Used to co-host Power Chords but that's on indefinite break.
I'm often on stage at sunday night improv though.
i have to go mute sometimes cause people in my apartment would like to sleep lol
lol
It doesnβt help when a cute anime girl is suddenly speaking like a 30 year old man
I've never quite understood desktop mutes. Just enjoying the scenery I guess. At least they're usually unobtrusive. Nothing much to object to.
leedle
ooo events
@empty wharf Yup, come along to #events, check the pinned messages for the vrc events discord and there's a channel for the show.
depends, most of the times i'm in desktop and mute is cause i'm working on a model or world
I see. And cool, how do I join an event like that? Some of the events just give links to Google hangout or something, but I don't have a Google account
Look at VRC Events and look for Improv
what do you use a bake texture for?
A baked texture as in
I've also met a mute star wars clone trooper before. It's kinda bizarre and hilarious, but at least he's got a unique thing going on.
Baking shadows onto it or...?
It's also one of the longest consistently running events in vrchat.
Just like mapping the texture to the model?
Could also be a baked texture atlas
yeah
Just this abnormally friendly clone trooper, who loves hugs, and expresses everything in mime.
i got to learn to bake stuff into textures
I think I saw him Squishy
that trooper is a keeper
Iβve been a part of Matus Talent Show for a long while
Iβm the sixth or something in his hall of fame
I saw a big dude in armor recently, he was hiding behind his hands while sneaking around
Sounds like me
It's as great as it sounds
Except I turn the world dark and attack people
Respectfully
Whoever bound "backspace" to "page back" in Google Chrome should be fired
LUL
With the intent to entertain rather than hurt
The conversation just loops back
i like it
I like you
Letβs be VRC friends
sure why not
Prepare to see totally not self proclaimed best avatars
what about spm textures?
lul
I knew someone was watching
Always out for vengeance
No on listen to this meme man
i have no idea what spm textures are.
Heβs a REUSE
I was probably not at my computer
I have Vrchat just open on my computer
Listen here pal
Iβm scared donβt hurt me
But if you do, safe word is pineapple shoe
Oh and shoe isn't huh!
Nope
Lmao
Gotta get rid of that elitism
"Look at all these oranges.. Pfft. Atleast get to purple. To be a purple you have to think like a purple."
uh huh, sure.
It did make me happy to be a vet. Getting some kind of acknowledgement for the work I've done. I hope the feedback system comes out and gives me motivation to work hard on stuff again.
100 avatars released publicly and several optimizated and used maps.
but sure 50k hours
lol
Kareeda? More like, creator.
I tried
and helped others optimize their very, very popular map
I miss you @frozen trout. Gib content
Kareedas a real G I love em
Content in what way Rukio? What kind di you enjoy?
The problem with the 1st iteration is it didn't take some factors into account, resulting in some community members who have done tons for vrchat over quite a long period of time not having a rank that reflected that.
me being in Foxy Vids, RP, Avatars, Tutorials? What content Rukio lol
Videos were amazing and user friendly. World was also fun to be in
Example?
ya i need to do tutorials again, just not sure what to make next
Is it things like canny posts? Reporting hackers?
At work. Can't be specific atm
i might do bone merging and stuff actually
So youβre saying, I could possibly be a higher rank @rough pulsar
You too Sombie
where do I put a baked texture on a model?
I don't want to name any names, but some users who have been using vrchat for over 2 years, made worlds, run events for a very long time, and were only trusted.
What entails being a good community member?
I only make worlds and such so I have no idea
Not crashing people is a plus from me
So is the Veteran rank picking people out? Or is it on parameters?
Most world creators on my friends lists are vet
my lord
VietGanda War lol
most people in general on my friends list were vet, even the ones without worlds
When was this
Not doing bad stuff, obviously. But also how much good stuff you do. Welcoming new users, taking them around the place, showing them stuff, introducing them to other people and such.
Integrating yourself into the community, helping others and so on.
Running events.
there were never any hand-picked ranks or promotions
Thereβs some veterans I knew who definitely werenβt those types by trade
But anyone who was there in 2016 to early 2017 probably deserve it if they still log in now and then
Oh, those make sense, but they're hard to automate
It makes me happy to see mods participating in the discussion.
Were the ranks based off of the ranks of who's on your friends list at all? Somebody I knew was Trusted then cleared his friends list of people he knew who were banned or of lower rank and it bumped him into Vet the next day.
Iβve done most of the things on that list and I was only known
Feelsbadman. Must be the genre of my avatars
THe ranks were likely messed with during the beta
I've done everything except host events I was vet
That list I just posted is the kind of things that an automated system can't reliably pick up on.
I had a friend who was known, logged off because he only was curious about his rank, and the next day he was trusted
And yet are still things that make you a great community member.
@trim finch I believe they changed the weights at one point, I saw five people rank up in one instance
myself included
Ah ok coincidence then I suppose.
Yeah i have full confidence that Iβve done stuff in the community to help others around.
That's true Gallium, we just can't expect it to be done manually
You can already see how good they are at tagging words "avatar world"... No offense intended, but it is a problem
Feels good. But I suppose the Genre of my avatars is off putting, hard to trust a guy who uses horror avatars
My head is spinning this same convo is happening both here and public lobby but it is going much faster there
especially horror avatars used for first impressions
Yeah dont like that
Or a avatar of a lot of people's fav character
Oh, jump scare avatars. The instablockies
Yup
I just make hoppou avatars and slap them in my world so I don't have to worry about them being stolen.
Haha oh shit. I don't do well with horror in games. Not even in regular screen & controller/KBM scenario.
Small sound? Nope, now I'm screaming and throwing the controller across the room.
I like horror stuff VR or not
Only good Horror map i've seen was the Silent Hill PT world
Nothing scares me in games, at all. I also can't feel jealousy. Maybe I broke or something
Pretty sure you're broken caffeine
and of course all the cel shading shaders are expensive as hell
Why was vet a thing in the first place? Trusted had the same restrictions
Yo we should do a horror map for halloween!
Meh maybe just a little broke
I wish we could specify a Steam account on our alt account, and pull stats like friends and playtime from it, to help our main accounts rank.
A lot of old users started out as Steam accounts
I like horror movies just nit cheep jumpscares
I remember the first day i've came to VRChat
No one knew how to do avatar's or worlds and whenever we saw someone with a custom model everyone would crowd around them in shock or in Aw
Expectations and bills are scary. My computer not booting is even scarier. Bloody avatars with knives can headpat me all they want
The update I'm looking forward to the most is not having to press the "V" key every time I log in to remove it from the HUD
First time in vrchat I think I stumbled into some MMD-ish rave and got weirded out and left.
Next time I ran into everyone online, all 10 of them. Got a tour of the place, it was awesome.
All I want to see. Is someone make it so when someone is holding an item (say a microphone) and they talk into it or near it.
The voice emits from say... Speakers to a crowd in that area..
I wish I had joined VRChat early on, it sounds like there was a great tight knit community. My first experience with vrc was during peak knuckles.
I remember adding people so that I could join them whenever they went into the private "loli army" base, so that I could get the best avatars
First time I was in Vrchat, I was at Gaia Night. Knuckles was picking up and I ordered trackers the next day to kick them.
I wish I was part of the early VRchat community because people were paying the stupidest prices for the most simple custom avatars
A good amount of the old community are still around and some of us do venture out into the northern wilds.
Lmao Rukio, I thank you for your efforts
I cant find that one botw shader
Xiexe?
yeah
Unpopular opinion. Lolis gross me out
+1
thanks ^_^
I do love it when they have super deep voices though
RUKIO
It's just hidden for now Kuro, still in the API
Yo take off that vet tag kuro
LOL
They removed it
it sk
No, Kuro. I got school today.
Not atm
In the API it's even called "system_trust_legend"
Is it bad whenever you xd I can hear your laugh
I had the idea of adding a shiny effect to my name plate though, so that vet would look like a gold bar π¦
lol
Oh my, XD.
vrpill
Floaters are also the things that get in front of your view whenever you look around with a light in front of you
when do i get my beta client back
?
imma be vrpill for halloween
π
hah no idea
put a red circle on my head
and then i can take it off
we already prepared Halloween hoppous
Friend of mine gave me an idea of putting my trainer in Lillie's clothes.
My world needs halloween dakimakuras
oh god, everyone looks spooked with the jpeg artefacts
I love how the editor is able to ever so easily hotload new compoments
We definitely want to point people to Halloween themed rooms in late October, even if they aren't part of the contest.
So we'll have a way to highlight them
"Spooky Maps!"
Spoop maps
Will try my best for the nametag stuff. Not sure though since we've made a lot of changes with the nametags on the trust beta
I totally want nametags off too. Makes it more spooky
Oh if they were off it would only be on the Halloween rooms that wanted it
Wonder if there is a shader to make it look like something is following you
We have that
yeah
a shadow that is lingering behind you
@vocal shard welll who do you think it is coming from HAHA π
lol
You'll have to show me
As long as it's not that annoying one people were using with the smash meme
just stick the eye tracking shader on a sphere
Cool, thanks ^^
the first iteration of teh Hoppou had a tongue that could extend through rooms, so you could lick everyone at the same time
but we deemed that cancer
lol
and left it out
I have 3 hoppous
I mean
The third is a version with nipples
So I moved her neckthingy down to cover them
lol, seems like someone found the rare Hoppou model #4
It wasn't easy to find, but I did it
π€
I also met a guy with a custom one. The eyes looked super good and his pupils would shrink if he looked towards light. It was awesome
Some people try to get rid of it and some come back to find it π’
Hmm
was that Zander
I forgot his name, but possibly
I was going to do the whole
"Thank you for your service.."
To all the vet ranked players
Me and my friend called eachother "ledge" due to the legend tag
I considered making an avatar with was an actual ledge, for the joke
I have some ideas for an avatar, but its under lock because someone could easily do it before me.
lets just say, its very punny.
me no like being spook
Oh no
PUNS
anxiety disorders and haloween are a sin
someone should call god up on the telephone and tell him to fix that
i wanna be spook but i only get hurt
big sad
I have anxiety, but halloween maps just look cozy to me
imma drop some world particles with distance fade on them
so when people walk into them they get scared
XDDDD
Mod the distance fade so that it shows up instantly rather than gradually
π
And use a translated billboard, so that it shows up right in front of them when they get within 5 meters
Jump scare tier :0
π
Can anybody watch videos in worlds that are supposed to let you watch videos? Like hangout house?
yes
my world can
and mine is more optimized than hangout house
π
but it isnt public yet
because i just started on it
@tall ingot cinema in space is really good, just be sure to be the first one to enter the instance
anyone else having a hard time getting on

