That’s what I get for slapping meh dumb mom
#vrchat-general-2
limpid yarrow
noble gust
Yours as well, Sean. I used to sleep that long.
mighty galleon
i use to sleep 20 hours
noble gust
Now I sleep for 5-6 every night
limpid yarrow
Nice
ruby burrow
You're not sleeping long enough Sean. You'll never become a butterfly with such a short hibernation.
noble gust
5-6 hours lol
mighty galleon
ikr
limpid yarrow
Lol
vocal shard
I hate to intrude in convo but does anyone have a headset recommendation, the last one I had broke
mighty galleon
oculus
noble gust
Oculus
limpid yarrow
Il never become a butterfly
ruby burrow
Vive.
noble gust
I cant wait to swap over from wmr to oculus
mighty galleon
squishy i have a vive and i liked oculus more
rigid crescent
Vive if you want cheaper full body and if you have glasses that you're worried about not fitting in the headset, Oculus for any other reason
vocal shard
Ok well thanks peeps, My stream depends on it
ruby burrow
No hassle with cables, no obstacles to full body tracking, less CPU load on the tracking technology.
mighty galleon
oculus works fine with glassess
rigid crescent
Not for some people.
ruby burrow
Vive is fine with glasses too.
limpid yarrow
-_-
ruby burrow
It's always a debate here.
limpid yarrow
OMG
rigid crescent
I've got a friend who tried it in a best buy or whatever tech store, and his didn't fit comfortably and he didn't even have large frames.
limpid yarrow
THERE IS A BEARD IN THIS CHAT
rigid crescent
If you do plan on going full body and wanna save a bit of money though, Vive also.
ruby burrow
I just hear far more people having problems with Oculus. Incompatible motherboard, tracking blind spots and so on.
mighty galleon
i have medium frames
vocal shard
So from what I read, I have to hope WMR supports HDMI 1.3, or use HDMI 1.3 for my monitor & cap it at 60fps
Until I can buy another adapter
limpid yarrow
I need help
mighty galleon
vive has such annoying lenses
limpid yarrow
What can I do to shut my mom up with her stupid music at night
limpid yarrow
Nope
vocal shard
Lololol
vocal shard
rigid crescent
Off the top of my head, full body+Rift is something like 1000 dollars, while it's about 850 on Vive
limpid yarrow
Kicked her off teh wifi
aaaand the music is still going
-_-
Il just try to sleep
mighty galleon
time to move out
ruby burrow
There's also the small side point, that lighthouse tracking seems to likely to become the standard tracking method for the industry ongoing.
With other headsets and third party controllers such as Paimax being compatible with it and developing their own versions.
Excluding the entirely self contained method such as that used by WMR of course. That will always have it's own appeal.
torpid dock
I seriously don't understand the appeal of WMR
ruby burrow
It's cheap, simple, and need very little setup. That's about it.
inner cape
Relatively cheap
ruby burrow
For gaming it's notably inferior. For more general VR use, it's plenty good enough and doesn't tie you to one room.
torpid dock
I'd rather have something that works all around me, without having to have my hands in front of my face. Proper tracking and all
inner cape
If you can afford, no one is keeping you back
It's just an option for budget buyers, nothing else
torpid dock
I've already got something like that
ruby burrow
Same. For me the price difference wasn't big enough to sacrifice the full tracking, and I've little interest in using VR in other places.
mighty galleon
-pats pixel-
ruby burrow
At best it'd be nice to be able to take my VR round when visiting family to show them, but that's only a very minor selling point.
mossy whale
i wonder when VRChat streaming is going to become a thing
ruby burrow
?
mossy whale
Streaming from one pc to a crappy pc, so you can play it smoothly on a crappy pc
mighty galleon
<.<
mossy whale
Steam has that as a feature.
mighty galleon
why?
ruby burrow
Ah. Well technically you already can, with Steam link right?
mossy whale
Dont have a steam link, and sean. I want to play vrchat in class lmao
mighty galleon
thats terrible idea
ruby burrow
@mighty galleon Presumably to be able to play VR in a larger room, without having to move the PC into another room.
mighty galleon
you're in school to learn, not to play games
ruby burrow
Eg, if you have your PC in a small office room, but want to play in the living room.
Oh... Lol. No, don't play games in class. VRC wouldn't even work well in class anyway.
mossy whale
Sean, I finished all this last year xD, I switched studies but already did most of it, and dont have to go to classes. but still be at school
ruby burrow
What would you even do? Walk around staring at people silently in desktop mode?
vocal shard
@torpid dock wait... You think wmr can't track behind you?.....
torpid dock
From what people tell me, no
vocal shard
The hand tracking is 100% when in sight of the cameras, which is a very wide fov. But it can still track behind 360 with a bit less accuracy
rigid crescent
You just have to have your controllers in sight all the time or something right? I haven't really looked into it but a friend has it
ruby burrow
Far as I understand and have seen in videos, it can only track behind you using it's gyros and accelerometers, and will rapidly degrade in quality before losing tracking entirely.
torpid dock
That sounds like a not good
ruby burrow
Though I suppose this depends on the exact headset.
vocal shard
mighty galleon
-hugs jamie-
vocal shard
It had enough upsides to me where I took it over a rift after comparing both.... Rift tacking is better overall, but wmr is convenient
ruby burrow
When behind it becomes unable to properly track softer movements, and will drop tracking soon as it loses sufficient input for a given duration.
mighty galleon
but why would you need tracking behind you anyways
ruby burrow
For more sustained swinging motions, it should still maintain decent enough tracking quality, but it's basically using the same technology as a Wii-Mote at that point.
Re-orienting itself each time it come back forwards.
rigid crescent
it's above that it loses tracking as well, if it's a bit too high
vagrant parrot
I'd buy a WMR for portable VR if I had a sufficient laptop to compliment my vive
vocal shard
I mainly play vrchat and beatsaber, so there's no issues for me with wmr
Maybe other games, it's worse
Idk
ruby burrow
Yeah, it's a decent enough option for the right applications.
vocal shard
The resolve tho.. is a big upgrade imo
rigid crescent
the resolution is worse too, not sure by how much though
vocal shard
So I like that
noble gust
Problem with Beat Saber using wmr is that tracking could be an issue in some cases
vocal shard
The wmr resolution is 1.7x that of the rift/vive
mighty galleon
i have never and will never play beat saber
vocal shard
It's better
rigid crescent
oh I'm thinking the pro
noble gust
I sometimes have that problem with blocks that are high and low
ruby burrow
Personally one of my favourite poses in VRC is hands resting on the back of my hips or head, or crossed behind my back, so WMR would probably drive me nuts.
vagrant parrot
The Lenovo explorer does a good job with beat saber
rigid crescent
really? I figured beatsaber would be the perfect game
since it's mostly in front of you
ruby burrow
WMR resolution varies, but some of them such as Samsung Odessy are better yes.
noble gust
Somebody actually did it in wmr?
vocal shard
Usually tracking issues is either down to lighting, or Bluetooth
noble gust
That is correct
vocal shard
I have a friend who streams beatsaber with wmr, and swears by it.
rigid crescent
the main opponent of Vive tracking is overly shiny surfaces
all those poor folks with dance poles that'd had to adjust
mighty galleon
lol
noble gust
You should be
vagrant parrot
My inflatable gummybear chair is my vives worst enemy
ruby burrow
My room was fortunately already an ideal matt coloured non-reflective pit. :v
vocal shard
...
noble gust
Oof
rigid crescent
full body experience
vocal shard
rigid crescent
yeah most people don't have many crazy reflective surfaces, stuff like picture frames are ok
mighty galleon
i do have fbt xD
rigid crescent
but it's the metallic stuff that'll do it the most
mighty galleon
aw
noble gust
Kinect :P
mighty galleon
shot down again at being a brother
ruby burrow
I keep thinking about getting FBT, but you see... I like to dance. But you see... I'm bad at it. So you see... then they'd know how non-existent my footwork is.
vocal shard
No, vive tracking with wmr
noble gust
Ohh there you go
mighty galleon
i have fbt but im never in it xD
b/c i too lazy to get my avatars to be full body compatible
tacit plank
Nobody is going to judge you if it doesn't look perfect, squishy
rigid crescent
oh does it work with it?
vocal shard
I have a Kinect... Not impressed
rigid crescent
WMR I mean
tacit plank
Just have fun, that's all which matters
vocal shard
If you have the vive lighthouses, you can use it with rift and wmr
rigid crescent
I always see stuff about Kinect with the WMR but never via vive trackers, which seems like it should work
Oh ok, I figured but wasn't sure
ruby burrow
Yeah, the Kinect method hasn't impressed me either, purely from seeing both videos and in-game demonstrations.
rigid crescent
and sometimes spin around if you're really lucky
vocal shard
Yeah, the dev for climby was also using the knuckles with wmr to show that it worked
noble gust
A big mess xD
ruby burrow
Seems like it mostly serves just to make you stand in a more natural pose, but as soon as you actually try to do anything interesting with it, it just turns you into confused spaghetti.
vocal shard
Lol
ruby burrow
Also being mainly locked to facing in one direction would annoy me.
Ironically my most frequent motivation for wanting FBT, is getting jealous of friends that are able to convincingly lounge or lay down on the relaxation maps.
vocal shard
Lol, true
ruby burrow
And that just feels a little wrong, to spend £300 on the ability to lie down and not move...
noble gust
I actually want fbt just to lounge around
XD
And to kick people
Slapping is not enough
mighty galleon
i got it just to sit better
vocal shard
mighty galleon
i dont like the crouching look
vocal shard
I want full body tracker to dance 💃
vagrant parrot
I got 3 trackers for the price of 1 second hand
river thunder
I've gotten 24 hours in the game
vocal shard
w h a t
river thunder
yet I still cant upload
noble gust
Those are rookie numbers
vocal shard
Don't expect a set time...
ruby burrow
I got kicked once. Was a fun shock. Playing with playspace mover as a default Kanna, climbing people.
One person objected and moved, swiftly kicking my cheeky loli square in the face when I dropped.
tacit plank
AFKing doesn't count
vocal shard
Could go to 40 hours ...
Just keep playing
I’ve only had I think - 50+ hours on VRChat I’ll have to look later.
vocal shard
Playspace mover is the only reason I still use the Kinect sometimes
tacit plank
Probably Sean
mighty galleon
im lucky i never had to deal with the upload stuff
ruby burrow
I can only presume to play for 100 hours and not get authorised, they either made no attempt to interact or explore at all, or spent the entire time screaming baseless insults and random strangers.
mighty galleon
probably
ruby burrow
Ah, I hadn't thought of that Jamie. That's perhaps the best application for Kinect based FBT.
Since it bypasses needing those nightmarish to use fake trackers, and allows you to still pose naturally whilst using it.
river thunder
Uhh
vocal shard
But no dancing with Kinect. Lol
river thunder
My pc just froze
mighty galleon
i blame jamie
river thunder
Not sure
ruby burrow
I very rarely use playspace mover due to not wanting to deal with the hassle of rebooting my VR a dozen times before the fake trackers spawn in the correct location.
queen mango
Lag spikes, happens a lot
vocal shard
I didn’t like the xbox kinect nor did I like any other tracking consoles -
tacit plank
Why?
vocal shard
I think you need 30+ hours to upload but not sure
tacit plank
20 hours was the estimated minimum
tacit plank
I made that the first 10 minutes I played
river thunder
That should have triggered a rank up along with exceeding 20 hours
vocal shard
It’s probably different for each person
river thunder
oh nice
tacit plank
You decided that with who? 3 is really not a lot
river thunder
firefox machine broke
queen mango
It's a start, though
tacit plank
I guess, yeah, but it's by no means a lot
ruby burrow
I got mine in 12 hours over my first 2 sessions. Had upload before I even knew I needed authorisation.
tacit plank
The ranks of the people you add might matter too
ruby burrow
I was far more interested in playing the game first.
ruby burrow
Personal custom avatars are nice, and definitely something you want as you go on, but they take time and learning to make.
vocal shard
I thought it was easy
ruby burrow
I didn't know what I wanted to be at first anyway, and so spent my early hours roaming avatar worlds and meeting people to gat ideas.
ruby burrow
Hehe. 1 hour is only half of Tuppers tutorial. xD
Yeah, learning this stuff is an endless rabbit hole.
river thunder
it's been done for almost 3 days now
tacit plank
Well, every rank is above visitor, lol
mighty galleon
i just pay people to make my avatars
tacit plank
I had like 200-300 hours before I made a VRChat account
Should go to loli army base for avatars for now, they're cute
mighty galleon
caffeine you ever gonna make chrome avatar?
ruby burrow
Even professional game devs aren't expected to learn such a weird wide range of fields. Most will specialise in one or two, but to make avatars you need to dabble in almost everything
tacit plank
I have one
mighty galleon
really? i must see one day
tacit plank
Learning how to get other peoples avatars into VRChat takes a few hours
river thunder
Eh
mighty galleon
you mean like mmds?
tacit plank
Modifying avatars, a few days probably. From scratch I'd say weeks
river thunder
its really a matter of throwing together a model
Which took 3 days
and a matter of rigging it
took 1 day
tacit plank
Just .fbx's
mighty galleon
finding already made mmd models and just decimation and uploading it only takes like 10 minutes
ruby burrow
"Throwing a model together" is easy to say if you already have prior experience in that field.
For most it's a real shock just how unapproachable Blender is.
tacit plank
Blender is downright evil
ruby burrow
Took me long enough just to figure out how to move the bloody camera view, let alone make or manipulate anything. The UI is so different to anything else out there.
tacit plank
But just fbx > vrchat is maybe 5 minutes once you get used to it
ruby burrow
I should probably go find some sort of "Basics of Blender" course to follow. Since I feel like I'm trying to learn all this stuff backwards.
rough pulsar
@ruby burrow Look up the blender noob to pro wikibook. It's what you need.
ruby burrow
Starting with re-rigging for VR based inverse kinematics and weight painting, before I even know how to model an untextured static snowman or blocky robot.
Noted and googled for. Cheers.
rough pulsar
The blender foundation also have a getting started series on youtube.
ruby burrow
I was trying to follow youtube tutorials step by step, with to the second accuracy, but was endlessly getting lost when they'd say "now just do this" and everything would change.
Or more annoyingly, when I did press the exact keys etc they did, but it had a different result.
Such as switching between object/edit mode depending on the resting place of the fecking cursor.
Or the invisible "Nope" conditions of being in the correct pose mode, despite there being almost zero indication of this unless viewing the correct sub menu of another sub menu.
Ahem. Rant. >_>
river thunder
H
Sure, having random times prevent all those game crash avatars
but it does not help if somebody is lucky enough to get a 1 hour wait
as opposed to a person who wants to play properly
yet has to wait more than a day
ruby burrow
The time isn't random. It's based on how you play.
river thunder
I've been pretty active in the community
ruby burrow
Although the specifics of how exactly are very hazy.
river thunder
which confuses me
I've played chess with a robot
laughed my arse off at the court room
Solved a entire puzzle world
ocean kraken
guys
i need help
im trying to play the beta
but i'm stuck on the blue screen
idk what to do
does someone know how to fix this?
vocal shard
#open-beta-discussion would be a better place to ask that.
tacit plank
Peopel can spawn in objects again it seems
vocal shard
every time i join a lobby nobody is there when it says people are there, can i have some help with this?
and im in open beta
it's expected
indigo fern
It shows instances from the live server too
vocal shard
is there any way to see other people?
queen mango
Uhh... No. Not at least avatars
vocal shard
oof
vocal shard
til teleport hacks exist
has anyone ever gotten randomly teleported to a person around the map
thick flare
illegal client
safe prism
someone found out a few ways to have absolutely stable world objects via joints or particles, it might be leaking around :x
tight bloom
Some people voted to kick me from a world earlier and I don’t know what I did
I’m kinda rattled about it all I remember is they hated me for having a “furry” avatar even though it’s Lycanroc from Pokemon
And I was dancing in the MMC room and we kept replacing each other’s songs
I thought it was just us joking but apparently not :/
thick flare
ah, the my animation is better contest
queen mango
The Dance Stage, right?
earnest ermine
good evening gamers
thick flare
i usually just refrain myself from using it unless i am the one who started it first
some people didn't take it too well
queen mango
Good morning from Asia, @earnest ermine
earnest ermine
0: good morning gamer
thick flare
it is ok, i can't remember how many times i am hated for having an anime avatar
tacit plank
Everybody has an anime styled avatar
raven silo
90% is anime in vrchat
languid compass
for whatever reason i can't log in to my vrchat account
i changed my password on the website
and it's still not working
raven silo
what it say when you login
languid compass
Could not log in - "Unauthorized"
queen mango
Everyone loves anime avatars these days.
Back then they were the weird type. Westerners even used to make fun of otakus.
Until Persona 5 came out.
raven silo
back then mostly was me and tupper doing anime stuff lol
thick flare
well, they told me i was supposed to use a male avatar if i am a male :\
raven silo
95% male in female anime character
queen mango
That game, plus the lackluster Western media made anime gain attention in the west.
tight bloom
I’m a female and I never use a female avatar
My username being Mario Wolfe doesn’t help
I’ve used Tanooki Mario, Delphox, Ninetales, Lycanroc, etc. and none of those are 100% female
vocal shard
So guys, Im going this thing for a bit And I need to ask one question
Why my peepee stand up
queen mango
You seen a trap
rigid crescent
"before persona 5 came out"
lol i had to comment on that, anime has been "cool" since crunchy roll became legit
queen mango
I never heard it became popular in the West, though I could blame it on lackluster Western products these days.
tacit plank
People are making clients to friend request the entire lobby at once
vocal shard
yir peepee stand up because you are a degenerate
tacit plank
In order to gain ranks, I guess
vocal shard
what a mess
rigid crescent
Around the time Attack on Titan came out, that's when they really startd putting money into it
raven silo
i been watch anime when sailor moon first came out
thick flare
dragon ball
vocal shard
my first may was kissxsis
vocal shard
okay, this is epic
queen mango
The first anime I watched was Pokemon.
raven silo
anyone watch Hamtaro
queen mango
From Gen 2 to Gen 5, I watched.
vocal shard
dont claim to like hamtaro unless you have the ham ham games for the gbs normie
gen 3 was godtier gen 4 and 5 is trash for anime
want me to screencap my ham ham games gbs rn
im playing it
queen mango
Yep.
vocal shard
i remember the movie where mays little brother fucks jirachi
queen mango
Oookay.... Not really what happened there
Wait, were you the one who told me about that Moose from Japari Library?
queen mango
'kay.
vocal shard
read the rules and become apart of antifa like the rest of us
vocal shard
REEEE
queen mango
That's putting it lightly
vocal shard
looking for a qt.14 femboy e girl
queen mango
Uh.. You can look for uh, Felix, Astolfo, Hacka Doll #3, Saki Mizushima, Chihiro Fujisaki and Hime Arikawa there.
vocal shard
its sad you know all of thise names for this spefific sitouation
queen mango
Yeah, I was consumed by anime culture.
vocal shard
you know ive been to japan once
going back in a few years possibly to teach english
racist too
cool place tho
nothing can beat sugma tho great country
vocal shard
tourist or work
queen mango
Tourist
vocal shard
try not to get scammed lol but that shit is mostly mainland china
well mainland asia really
if a cute girl or multiple cute girls approach you and seem interested in you for no reason and try to take you out to some random small local tea shop dont
queen mango
They might be traps?
vocal shard
tea will cost you like 300usd or some ridiculous price
vocal shard
or if a random monk just tries to give you something dont accept it lol because hell demand money later
but the scams mostly happen outside japan in the rest of asia
queen mango
I suppose, but aren't most of those in the red-light districts like those of Shinjuku?
vocal shard
can happen anywhere my guy
queen mango
I see.
vocal shard
also dont act retarded please as youll make me look bad
do you have hairy arms? lol
people might ask to feel your hairy arms / legs
children might just reach out and feel hairy arms / legs
yes this has happened to me and my other friends in japan lol
expect people to stare at you too
espically if ur in real rural parts without a lot of foreginers
modern sand
#general-media pls
vocal shard
crap im sorry sir
vocal shard
cold hard truth but yea
expect it, anyway like i was saying has anyone just been randomly teleported
its happens rarely but ill be in a world and get randomly teleported somewhere else in the world
rigid crescent
i had some friends falling through the floor in a few worlds last night, and they're worlds we frequent where it doesn't happen often
but that might've been a beta issue
or a beta thing that isn't recommended issue
vocal shard
i kind of fall through the floor
raven silo
that when the collider fail to load before floor appear
vocal shard
ill spawn in a world and spawn like under the floor
i see everyone running around then i spawn in a dif room
queen mango
Sometimes your viewpoint is in an entirely different location, yet you don't even see your avatar.
modest halo
is there any fix other than clearing the cache when worlds and avatars fail to download I've tried every basic option so annoying not being able to join friends and reloading multiple times v.v
celest kelp
@empty wharf Due to my lack of use of appendages, I cannot proceed with this damned puzzle e^e
celest kelp
Only clicky grabs
empty wharf
Well you must hire an arms person
celest kelp
Which hinders my progression
One step closer to the basement, and yet I cannot reach the damn key e ^e
modest halo
i already have more than once @empty wharf
vocal shard
selling my services in vrchat am a trained and professional assassign will assassinate any target in vr
modest halo
cleared cache 4 times automatic and 1 time manually
empty wharf
The problem may go away on its own but it’s not likely
modest halo
verified local files at least 3 times
celest kelp
@vocal shard Could I hire you to solve a puzzle
empty wharf
You using the beta?
modest halo
i've been having this problem for weeks
celest kelp
I shall pay you in voodoo brew and green drinks.
modest halo
literally nothing will fix it
empty wharf
Have you updated your drivers?
modest halo
empty wharf
Or windows?
modest halo
i update windows a lot
celest kelp
That could be the problem o vo
celest kelp
Drinks it is!
modest halo
it's usually with bigger avatars and worlds
modest halo
it downloads partway 3x and sends me back
vocal shard
stop opressing him vein
modest halo
i tried
vocal shard
post wherever u want sweetie
vocal shard
vrchat is so full of random bugs and i get some that nobody has even heard of
i just restart my pc or leave it alone for a while and it solves itself
vocal shard
might just be your internet too
when my internet is slow weird shit starts to happen
modest halo
that's the only thing i can think of but it's not slow internet
vocal shard
have u googled it lol
modest halo
all i see is clearing cache
vocal shard
what was your problem again?
mystic spear
Anyone here remember a plantation/swampy/bayou world? It had a big UFO off in the distance, lots of bridges and big ole plantation houses. I'm pretty sure it was ripped from a game. Toss me an "@" if you remember it! ❤
modest halo
stuff just failing to download
red holograms worlds sending me back when i tried to download them
even my own avatar will turn red sometimes
modest halo
red avatars
queen mango
I've seen those kinds before. The ones that don't load at all
vocal shard
A guy crashed my game with some emote
it's the 7th time he does that
not getting crashed instantly
getting crashed instantly is the way to get crashed my friend
sounds like that guy isnt very smart
He just enables some laser
and poof
oh actually
ive seen that
is the avatar a little anime girl
No, it's some like
Fortnite avatar
Looking
tfw we are ptsd veterans
ive also been crashed by a little laser pointer thing that a cat would chase
Yea, it gets annoying
it was fun the first times cuz I was laughing but
it's constant
why do you keep joining back tho
when im crashed i just fuck off and not subject myself to more e cyber bullying
He joins me somehow
I change instances
??
he follows you
Yea
who is this madman
LETTUCE BUTTHOLE
Something like that
sounds very charming
Yea :/
so he just teleports to you?
Yea
different worlds?
Only instances
I joined the great pug
he was there, I switched after he crashed me then he came back
over and over
so I just changed worlds to some avatar stuff he's not here
so he can teleport to you on different instances of the same world
Yea
never heard of that before
I only have 2 days on this game
so I have no idea..
umbral oracle
It's possible he is not following you but just switching between all the instances and harassing people in each one. There aren't that many of them
umbral oracle
I would try setting block avatars in system settings so he can't crash you, then join pug and block and report next time you see him
vocal shard
does reporting hackers even work though
I think it's very rare to see a hacker
never tried it
so yea it should work
umbral oracle
Well blocking will at least keep him from following you in the future
umbral oracle
Or you won't see him so it won't matter
dry marsh
"Hacker" or "crasher"
umbral oracle
The only thing they can do is crash you, show nasty stuff in your face or deafening sounds
vocal shard
oh right that too
oh god the ptsd
vore hentai being shoved in my face and i cant run anywhere
umbral oracle
Just be a nuisance. Use the panic key or set block avatars by default in settings for a bit and block the people causing trouble
dry marsh
i NEVER go to pug over the weekend anymore because of those people
vocal shard
I'll do that Lyuma, thank you so much
my vrchat life is pretty much open mic night 24/7
umbral oracle
Pug is ok usually. Just be prepared for a bit of stuff. Next release is going to make things much better in public worlds
dry marsh
I tend to skip and hop between the new worlds, so when i do go to pug. its only because i have friends there 😛
vocal shard
I'm just trying to meet some nice people and these 'crashers' are just ruining people's fun
bro goodluck on that
most of the people are either orbiting someone else are are socially indept
yea..
I try to talk to people and they are just ignoring
umbral oracle
Next version is going to fix a lot of crashes, and it will put a framework in place where future crash methods people discover can be dealt with in a straightforward way
vocal shard
it gets difficult.
i do remember once talking to some random guy about anime for like an hour
cant think of anymore decent conversations
oh wait some guy also explained to me in depth about the american-mexican war and awnsered all my questioned lol
Lol nice
I would love some friends that help me in math
dry marsh
diferent worlds tend to have different people in, find a semi/popular world which is pretty chill and you can talk with just about anybody
vocal shard
highschool?
Yea
supertydon thats like the opisite for me
i go into a popular world and cancer riddles my body like 1000 xrays
dry marsh
did you not notice the semi part. there are popular worlds which normally dont have many people in
vocal shard
What's a good world for meeting people
dry marsh
let me check, havent been on in a while (school work has had me pulled away from making avatars, which is really the only reason i play)
vocal shard
i actually forgot this game was about meeting people
i just go around irl shitposting and meming
Lol
dry marsh
one of the top of my head is the avatar testing world, that place is normally pretty chill, and there are always people there
dry marsh
i joined it because i can use custom avatars XD
dry marsh
hey, when you got the skill and want to show it off, how better then to BE the product
vocal shard
feels good being a comfy neet while also shitposting
I spend more time in unity than in game. Lol
I'm not a meme guy
safe prism
i spend a lot of time in void and the pug
dry marsh
oh yeah, void is always a fun place to hang out
vocal shard
void
I'm joining void
is that the place where theres a bunch of pillows and its space
sounds fun
dry marsh
Nier: automata Flowers is a relaxing map, i like to go there with deer avatars and just walk around 😛
vocal shard
get vr so you can dip your head down and pretend to eat leaves
So I just joined void
when someone comes near you shoot your head up and stare at them for 3 seconds then bolt away and warp to the next room
and people are swearing so bad
and talking about walmart
their immersion would be 100
dry marsh
i said it was "fun" not "Safe"
vocal shard
I'm down for fun
whos fucking swearing ill kick their ass
Lol
these bitches
the absolute madman
(:
dry marsh
if you want a map so lonely people HAVE to talk to you, there is always "The CupBoard"
dry marsh
no, CupBoard rarely has a full instance. so everyone there tends to gather in the same place
vocal shard
can anyone ever get a fuckin word in though when everyone is gathered around eachother
theyll be like 10plus people all talking over eachother
dry marsh
the place everyone gathers isnt to small. so everyone is in like 2/3 person groups that you can just join at your leasure
dry marsh
I honestly forgot about that map till you said it wow
vocal shard
jack black i miss you host my kids choice awards plese
dry marsh
well, i should get going. see ya sometime (also if you want a neat looking world, try the studio ghibli one, it looks AMAZING, no one is ever in it though)
umbral oracle
ghibli world is pretty incredible yea.
dry marsh
I like walking around as a 50 foot deer and i blend right in
vocal shard
go to random chat to be scared
dry marsh
and thats my que to leave
vocal shard
lol
sernewndiebite
people call me serenity
hmmm
do you know what frs is
i dont know abbreviations stop
and i instantly dislike you
rude
five points from hufflepuff
🖕
rude
no u
💪 🦅 🍤 🇺🇸
Okay wtf
?
the face of depression
Hey guys I need help
everything I download from VRC goes to my SSD instead to my HDD
now my SSD is full
how to change the path?
ssd???
Solid
queen mango
Solit State Drive
queen mango
High speed in exchange for data storage
queen mango
Yep, that's almost full
raven silo
nah i had 50gb
vocal shard
w-twstg
raven silo
that how you load people avatar faster and worlds
raven silo
everyone world and avatar get put on your hard drive
everything you see go there
if didnt do that you be see blue avatar alot
and wait for long period download world
near sky
mighty galleon
hi mute
umbral reef
Aww the poor fella cant talk
twin jacinth
With vr you can, but it's a bit hard over discord
Haha :P
leaden kiln
uh, if there's a problem with people using the beta client on the live servers (with no modification other than a launch option in steam) you guys need to make an official announcement about it.
mighty galleon
what?
leaden kiln
there's rumors about people being banned for doing it, but with most people doing it we have no idea what's really going on
mighty galleon
aka rumors
umbral reef
Well they are doing something to cause the bug/glitch that isnt the norm 👏
mighty galleon
they mess with the coding of it
leaden kiln
nope
mighty galleon
to allow them to go into actual public worlds
umbral reef
But im fairly sure unless you abuse it in any way they wont clap anyone
umbral oracle
Nobody has been banned for it. The devs know people are doing it and if it had caused any issues they would have made an announcement by now.
mighty galleon
in a beta you cant be with non beta people
vocal shard
@leaden kiln please read #open-beta-discussion
leaden kiln
it's literally the same kind of launch setting that lets you set a home world
umbral oracle
That said, please don't do it because there are lots of little glitches that are caused and it interferes with testing and making proper bug reports
The purpose of a beta is to test and look for issues, not early access a few days early
leaden kiln
I see nothing in there but speculation
vocal shard
"Regarding this whole ordeal about using the beta clients on live server, using the launch code was initially meant for close beta members and is/was not intended for public use. Honestly, I do not see a purpose using it in the live version besides using the safety features before the full release & unintentional potential bugs. If you do want to test it, might as well use it on the intended server it was meant for and save yourself the trouble. There might or might not be repocaussions for using that code however, vrchat does log these kinds of things so be aware. Personally, I'm not affected by people using it on the live server however, if you do use the beta on live servers. For the love of god and the developers, please dont send bug reports unless you are on the server it was intended for. Thank You. "
umbral oracle
Let's stop bringing this subject up
vocal shard
^
leaden kiln
letss have official word on it
umbral reef
Your not gonna get that my friend
leaden kiln
well then it's not going to stop
umbral reef
They would be stupid to spread the information about it...
mighty galleon
bit
umbral oracle
My guess is There won't be one most likely because it isn't causing any major issues and they probably don't want to create extra drama around it
umbral reef
If they wanted it to stop they could just use force-
leaden kiln
or say something
umbral oracle
Just go on with your life and use the official build to play and use beta to test
umbral reef
The full beta yes- The beta on live client has an fair bit more problems so far i heard
leaden kiln
haven't found them
mighty galleon
thats you
umbral oracle
No it is not. There are a few bugs already discovered that will hopefully be fixed.
mighty galleon
not everyone
umbral reef
@umbral oracle Just give them an month :^)
leaden kiln
it has a couple glitches showing shaders on orange ranked users that are friends and should bypass, but that's all I've found
umbral oracle
Like shader blocking doesn't work all the time.
vocal shard
Only thing i saw was that they have muted me, but actully haven't, That's all I've seen
Ooh right yeah that
umbral oracle
Ok then it is not release ready. You just said it yourself
So let's be patient and move on
vocal shard
Yeah tinted on cubed shader bugs out sometimes on the beta
leaden kiln
uh, there have been worse bugs in every release so far lol
umbral reef
You know just the reason the system is usefull beside stopping custom animations
If that doesnt work its totally release ready
twin jacinth
mute icon being on while not actually being muted is a bugg in live as well
leaden kiln
I'm critical as hell, some of you may have seen that. I rant for hours. I'm saying this is ready to go and is an improvement
umbral reef
What is being improved then if you cant even block shaders?
mighty galleon
you think that though
leaden kiln
I just wanted to ask if there was any credence to rumors of a mass ban wave for using the beta live
w;hich appears to be unfounded
umbral oracle
That rumor is false.
rigid crescent
yes it would be, they'd be banning a massive amount of their playerbase
so a non-issue
their ACTIVE playerbase
the regular players are the main ones who know about it, people in discord groups its spreading
most of these discord groups being specifically for groups of friends that play together. a massive ban that large would definitely kill the game overnight
umbral reef
So because a ton of people used a modified client for anti crash it was also totally okay?
mighty galleon
they should at least be warned
umbral reef
They still broke the rules with those as it was unclear how bad it was
And currently the odds of those users messing things up with reports/errors within logs and ect is there... Its just stupid to use
rigid crescent
Is there a rule against this? I've seen people ask if it's against TOS with no reply
umbral reef
The odds of them doing anything like an beta again just becomes smaller
twin jacinth
If it was ban-worthy they should have announced it and said that it's a problem and people who continues whill be banned.
Guessing it's not a big problem as we've seen nothing
rigid crescent
unlike the modded client, which is against tos
umbral reef
It is an code that should not have been spread
umbral reef
Is having an 100 material avatar against the rules?
No- Should you be banned for it?- No-
Does it mean you should still use and do it? No-
median basalt
It's not even a modded client, it's just a launch option. They won't hand out bans over it
umbral oracle
It's probably a grey area. Which means they don't want to encourage people or say it is allowed, and it also hasn't been abused or caused trouble.
median basalt
There are plenty of other reasons why you shouldn't be doing it
umbral reef
Im not advocating for banning the users- not at all. Its there own fault this code got released with the people they trusted.
But that still does not mean people should be using it
rigid crescent
Yeah I was just replying that it would definitely be silly to issue bans over this, just like it would with modified SDKs, poly limit breaking avatars, etc
You ban all the people that break those actually existing rules, you ban the most of the userbase, delete most worlds, etc. I'm sure they've even got a number somewhere of the sheer amount of avatars that do those things
rough pulsar
You will not be banned for using the beta on the live network.
However it is not advised, as different client builds are kept separate for a good reason. Shit will act weird and possibly break and then it's kinda your fault.
rigid crescent
It's just not something feasible, you know
THat's genuinely a good enough reason not to use it, definitely not saying people should just because they can
plain oracle
So what is the train of thought, thinking that muting new users from each other, and other players is a good idea for player retention?
rigid crescent
Who is muted
umbral oracle
Nobody is muted. It is an icon shown due to a bug by using options the developers never expected to be used
rough pulsar
If doing so becomes enough of a problem that people must stop doing it, an announcement will be made.
plain oracle
No, it's not a bug. By default audio is turned off for new users and visitors
umbral oracle
That is avatar audio like background music
plain oracle
Oooh, thats better. Okay I got it.
umbral oracle
Voice works
plain oracle
Im just blind.
umbral oracle
No worries. Might be worth actually making a canny to suggest changing it
rough pulsar
It's a partial bug, that happens because you're mixing client versions and like I just said shit will be weird and/or break.
umbral oracle
That's useful feedback as new users might be confused like you were
plain oracle
I just... still don't understand the weighting for who becomes trusted
umbral reef
No one does
plain oracle
I have more avatars, hours, and worlds than a friend who has trusted
Its jsut weird
umbral reef
Im fairly sure the devs dont even understand it by now :^)
rough pulsar
I don't either because there's people who've been active on vrchat for years who are only trusted or lower.
median basalt
It's a vague and inconsistent system
umbral oracle
As a fellow green user, Nobody does :-p
median basalt
I happen to be trusted, some of my friends are merely known
I know someone who's been in the game a year longer than I have
umbral reef
Green master race 
ocean bramble
And I'm a peasant user
umbral oracle
The thing is it is an automated system. Nobody is judging you. Just how it works
rough pulsar
I've heard vague noises that there will be some further tuning to the system before release.
twin jacinth
i'm basic af
prob because i switched over to a vrc account recently
umbral reef
@ocean bramble You almost never play anymore tho or do ya? 🤔
median basalt
I got Trusted so at least the default settings don't affect me
rigid crescent
There must be ongoing fine tuning, a friend was Known, logged out, and the next day he was Trusted
ocean bramble
No I don't
rigid crescent
I haven't heard of anyone going down as of yet, just adjusting up after a day or so
mighty galleon
none of the settings affect me really
median basalt
But I think it's bullshit how you have to get all the way to trusted before you're fully unblocked with defaults
umbral oracle
Ya i might be in favor of reducing the bar to known. That's still a lot of work for a troll to climb back there after being banned for abuse
plain oracle
This update has been causing some issues with elitist attitudes already, so I'm already overly defensive when talking with people
rigid crescent
Defaults need some tweaking, but it's really not as big an issue as some of the other bugs. The shader thing is really odd.
mighty galleon
you can?
heavy wyvern
Can it take a long time to apply the character?
rigid crescent
I still haven't seen these notorious elitists, and I've been going around as green in publics and friends of guests with people I don't even normally join on
plain oracle
Might be a bug then
median basalt
Friend of mine has seen two of those elitists
plain oracle
I have friends who are said elitists
median basalt
I also had someone try to add me because I was trusted
mighty galleon
you can change the defaults, plus you can singulary change what you see on randos
rigid crescent
The people I have seen doing it are friends just joking around about it.
rough pulsar
Also note that there's people who don't even know there's an update coming.
rigid crescent
and I joke about shining their Vet shoes, no huge deal
median basalt
Friend of mine made a Veteran Nikei
mighty galleon
i like the ranking system
rough pulsar
I like the fact there's now an essentially an ACL for other avatars.
I do not like the fact there's now divisions between users where there were none.
rigid crescent
The first week are two will probably be rough with people who can't take a joke and others that take it too seriously, but this "Great Divide" people were freaking out about is super unlikely
plain oracle
Gallium, I agree with that
rough pulsar
Anything above "Friend" is not needed.
thick flare
green gang
rigid crescent
The few people who wanna be jerks about it are doing us all a favor by exposing themselves as such
mighty galleon
true mic
umbral reef
@rough pulsar But how else can we reward the elite hardcore streaming community?!
rough pulsar
However, consider how people act alone and in a group.
rigid crescent
Maybe changed Trusted's name though, some people are taking not having it as meaning they can't be trusted
rough pulsar
None of us are as bad as all of us.
mighty galleon
but at the same time mic, there are people who're mad at not ebing trusted b/c they cant show off their *animations(
remember?
median basalt
Like half of these ranks should just be removed as they don't serve a purpose
rigid crescent
Yeah, those are attention seekers that serve no one any real purpose though lol best to just let them cry
They may in the future
median basalt
A large part of the game is avatar customization, people will be mad when default settings would make them not work. No way around it.
umbral oracle
sobs I did get a bit depressed this weekend tbh as I like making subtle effects for fun but I know it is not going to change how much fun I have
median basalt
Especially when it worked before
thick flare
^
mighty galleon
rokk there was just a person here before who was pissed b/c he cant make a lot of people see his animations
rigid crescent
People are allowed to change it is my thing, if you have all my shaders and stuff blocked, why would I even care?...
mighty galleon
i for one dont care for animations, particles or shaders that much
thick flare
and thats you
rigid crescent
hell, what if I don't even know? I'd have to be actively looking to see if you have them blocked
median basalt
I'm glad the options exist, but newer creators are being treated with so much hostility by default that I can understand they would leave outright
rigid crescent
They'll...leave the game because I can't see their shader?
median basalt
No
They'll leave the game because they work really hard on an effect that only 10% of people can see
mighty galleon
i just blame all the people who use obnozious shaders and particles
rigid crescent
10%? Where's the number coming from?
median basalt
Do you have a better number?
umbral oracle
The issue is vrchat is both a social network and a vr platform to build content. It has a large gathering of passionate content creators in one place and some of them might be affected more by this than others
rigid crescent
10% seems pretty low, but as Tupper has said, no one should be forced to experience your avatar a certain way.
median basalt
Even in the beta, most of my friends are like "I'm blocking all animations for people below known"
mighty galleon
but lyuma at the same time, it also has a lot of people who make stuff that ruin the fun for others
umbral oracle
This is a hurdle that vrchat as a platform has to get over, while it is understandable why it must be done for the sake of the social users
median basalt
Nobody is talking about forcing
We had this discussion yesterday, it's about the defaults
thick flare
we are talking about the default setting
you can turn it off if you don't want to see it
rigid crescent
Yeah, I agree about defaults changing though, but at the same time people will change them.
umbral reef
The thing is- Most users wont change the default settings.. The game advices against it and most users dont understand what they have to change to be crash free (everything on beside animations)
Because of this users needs to play for hours and hours with semi 'scuffed' looking avatars for everyone but there friends or people who know how the system works.
median basalt
Yeah I don't care if people wanna block shit locally
thick flare
leave the default open for most of the stuffs
rigid crescent
You even mentioned most of your friends said they'd be blocking them.
thick flare
and let them block it if they want
umbral reef
The curve to upload avatars is already there and not it got a lot more harsh if you have an avatar fan
rigid crescent
not that they'll just leave the default, that they actively know they can block thme
thick flare
i am ok with that
umbral oracle
And I am in favor of this change. It's got upside and downside but I think we need to support the users who are not content creators and come to be social
median basalt
Those friends are convinced by the wording of the system that they'll be safe that way
Can't ever be safe unless everyone under Trusted is a floating Y bot right?
umbral reef
@umbral oracle Its not like you can still do bad things with the current stuff...
rigid crescent
Which was already a thing?
median basalt
@umbral oracle some support for content creators would be good though
umbral oracle
That's true. It is going to be an ongoing thing and I'm sure they will continue to tune it
rigid crescent
No offense, but they sound like idiots with no sense of independent thought.
rigid crescent
If the majority of people are like your friends though, then maybe the descriptions should change,.
umbral oracle
Look as a green user who has only made avatar shaders so far I'm affected the most by this. I still see it as a move in the right direction
rigid crescent
Wasn't that due to it not working?
thick flare
is it?
median basalt
If you're a newer user, you'll be more likely to believe the wording of the safety settings
rigid crescent
Yeah, that's why I'm saying maybe change the descriptions to be less dramatic
I'm one of those people that tries every new option when there's one available, I look at all of it. Start a new level in a game? Test all the buttons, check all the paths, but I realize not everyone is like that
umbral reef
Most people are far from that
rigid crescent
If I knew nothing of this update til the day it released, I know for a fact I'd still see that brand new button and look at the settings
mighty galleon
yeah mic
rigid crescent
Yeah, sad but if that's the majority then the descriptions do need to change. I'm still on board with the name of Trusted changing as well.
mighty galleon
i'ma have a lot of stuff blocked though
umbral oracle
The people here especially ones that bother to join this discord are the power users and sure we probably all look at settings
thick flare
i will probably block shaders
rigid crescent
That's a strong word with more implications than the other titles
umbral reef
Power users- Dam long time since i heard that word in this context
umbral oracle
Haha
median basalt
I'm not gonna block much. Probably won't even bother blocking shaders for new users due to herd immunity
umbral reef
I like it though- its fairly true here
median basalt
Mass crashers won't bother using it if most people aren't affected
umbral reef
Its all tech support questions and tech support answers from those users
thick flare
it is not about crasher
rigid crescent
That's what I like too, it's prohibitive because why bother?
thick flare
you know some asshat who feels the need to block your screen 360 degree
with a shader that renders the image right infront of you
rigid crescent
Wait you don't think this is about crashers
thick flare
even without the crashing it is still annoying af
rigid crescent
It's ALSO about that
umbral reef
@thick flare not like that can still be done in other ways
Ow snap wanted the italian text
rigid crescent
mama mia
umbral reef
And panicmode already prevents that stuff
rigid crescent
It doesn't prevent it
umbral reef
It does counter it
rigid crescent
It fixes it after the fact, this can solve it before it happens.
It's an antidote as opposed to a vaccine I guess?
median basalt
Panic mode was made specifically for screen blocking gore spam
They stopped really damn quick after panic button was introduced
No point in spamming gore now
queen mango
What's this about?
umbral reef
Well- You would have to block all custom animations to not get any of that shit really
But whats the fun then
rigid crescent
Yeah, after it released I actually only used it once or twice
Wouldn't you only have to block Shaders and Particles?
median basalt
Interesting how effective of a deterrent that was
Shaders and particle blocking helps, or blocking animations. They can't trigger their crashers at all that way.
Unless they're always on, which they aren't
rigid crescent
Or possibly just shaders really
umbral reef
You can still do the gore stuff then--
median basalt
Nah, blocking shaders would only help with a particle limiter
rigid crescent
How? Isn't hat usually via shader?
median basalt
Yep, screenspace shader
At worst, you can put gore on a quad or something
With standard
¯_(ツ)_/¯
umbral reef
@median basalt What is still annoying as shit
median basalt
Yes
rigid crescent
Yeah, still possible, but a strong deterrent
umbral reef
As that did happen for a while also
median basalt
But it's not menu blocking and eye hurting
median basalt
Besides
umbral reef
Thats true- But nothing is menu blocking anymore