Correction breathe in and boi
#vrchat-general-2
opaque jewel
fading owl
might do sth like that
opaque jewel
My theme is a classic black and white cartoon. Mix of Looney Tunes, Disney, Tex Avery, etc.
My signs are Silent Picture
vocal shard
I know some sign language, but it's the Finnish version of it
So not very useful in VRChat unfortunately
opaque jewel
I use literal sign language
fading owl
a chat would still be lit
or maybe a sign that you can replace the text on with a ui keyboard π
opaque jewel
You realize how much easier that would make my life?
I would free up 3 of 7 gestures
vocal shard
Yes, when talking about sign languages I'm assuming we are talking about this and nothing else https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M34j7R6biR0
But a bit off-topic and I have to run to work anyway asdfghj
cold talon
Sorry to bust in like this, but anyone know if the saftey system is enabled by default or need to be set on "normal"
modern sand
Enabled by default
cold talon
Well there go half my avatars 
indigo fern
just become a veteran 4head
cold talon
Thx for the quick answer btw 
indigo fern
opaque jewel
fading owl
Okay im confused
thick flare
ah
indigo fern
hopefully more shaders are allowed by default
cold talon
I hope we get the invisible shader for culling 
thick flare
stencil
cold talon
If not my ava will be just a big box
indigo fern
yea, veterans are "super trusted" and are allowed to have it all on in the default normal safety settings
fading owl
Then im begging that my rank is veteran when i check it later
fading owl
hell no
the only fun left in vrc for me is making people laugh with my avatars
if my stuff is blocked by default ill probs quit vrc
indigo fern
it doesnt affect friends, so if you are goofing with buddies its fine
fading owl
i never goof with buddies
cold talon
Lots of peps are green like a l o t
indigo fern
oof
opaque jewel
I better be able to drop anvils on people just fine.
cold talon
Are they particles?
indigo fern
also, did someone say green gang?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/d/d0/Gangrene_(1).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170214220940
opaque jewel
It is not
fading owl
95% of my time i spend in public
umbral oracle
Lol never seen an anvil drop. that sort of thing is exactly what I love about vrc
opaque jewel
It is a finicky animation I made and put love into
vocal shard
Yo need someone to play with
fading owl
but you aint gonna see it anymore with the new update 
indigo fern
as cute as you yes?
gaunt carbon
Same Cerzix
cold talon
Inb4 all streamers gonna use max safety
opaque jewel
My cluster of bombs and dynamite on the other hand has a fuse particle and cartoon explosion. But that's harmless as well
plain ridge
Will more than likely be custom disabling shader/particles on most levels
indigo fern
or turning individual people off
vocal shard
I'm playing until 4am
plain ridge
That too.
indigo fern
thats the best part
thick flare
how is that different from our current block?
opaque jewel
Even laptops that run on French fries can handle my explosions
plain ridge
You can choose to block aspects of an avatar/person rather than a complete block.
thick flare
ah
cold talon
Does the disable shader determine if the shader is going to be rendered as transparent or opaque? Or even not rendered...
thick flare
forced into default
plain ridge
Like say you don't want people spamming particles or animations at you, you can turn those off while keeping shaders and the avatar viewed.
plain ridge
I have heard hushed rumors that there will be some whitelisted shaders like cubed and such. Only rumors and take that with super tiny grain of salt.
cold talon
That is normally invisible during animations so it doesent cull and desync
indigo fern
you didnt see the pic trap?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465599985036165124/492435387638218763/unknown.png
cold talon
Also the whitelist is real
vocal shard
I see some people in the game
indigo fern
some shaders will be allowed to pass
vocal shard
How do I know if they are cute?
plain ridge
Okay good, so not hushed rumor.
plain ridge
cubed for sure. I would hope noenoe
indigo fern
more than likely
cold talon
whitelist screen shake shader
indigo fern
π
thick flare
i will miss my panosphere
indigo fern
oh, the vr panosphere maybe, isnt that under the vrchat one?
plain ridge
I'm super happy with it so far. Been seeing some people who haven't left invite/friends worlds in months finally going back to public with the new system.
indigo fern
eh, i still might not go
thick flare
doesn't matter, still going to be a mute in public/hide in my own little world
fading owl
ive never left public but not being able to show funny stuff off because of a "rank" will probably have me quitting until sth cahnges
indigo fern
hopefully youre a vet
plain ridge
When people see that you aren't a problem, they can show your complete avatar.
You can completely enable/disable avatar settings on a case by case basis.
indigo fern
unblocking will be a gamble yea
plain ridge
If they completely block you then they don't deserve to see your cool stuff.
cold talon
As all the stuff thats supposed to be hidden shows up
plain ridge
I am a mute who only uploads avatars and has like 20 friends, 300 hours and I got orange.
Shouldn't be too hard to get it.
indigo fern
also, we can make ourselves appear as a normal user
thick flare
@plain ridge i am more than that and i am still green
valid quiver
anyone having issues joining people?
thick flare
.>
cold talon
300h
thick flare
did you make your avatar public?
plain ridge
If you have the beta client from steam you might. If you have the beta client you are instanced to only beta clients.
indigo fern
yea, im on 400h and im a gang green gang
plain ridge
And no, only private avatars, and a few private worlds.
I mean i've had this account for months so it might be that as well.
cold talon
Wait n8 weren't you known?
valid quiver
thanks trap. was interesting but not worth turning vrchat into a ghost town over
valid quiver
I thought my account was pretty legit, was suprised I'd only ring up as a user
they're pretty hardcore
cold talon
Time to afk farm 
plain ridge
There are a lot of things that come into play when determining the tier. Playtime, etc
storm stag
how does one go to Beta?
plain ridge
Veteran is the only one that mentions the tier that your friends are, but that could play somewhat into the other tiers as well.
thick flare
please tell me when anyone see bahka
valid quiver
I just hope it isn't a thing where non-content creators are screwed
thick flare
gotta give him a block
indigo fern
his avatar isnt bad lul
thick flare
no but i want him green
storm stag
theres like a beta code and cant enter
plain ridge
You don't need a beta code, just enable the open beta
indigo fern
new user
cold talon
Gonna beg people to give me warnings
indigo fern
dont worry fam, if you join my instance i'll make sure to kick you every time
plain ridge
Am in the middle of moving so i've been stuck in desktop mode for like a month. Should finally get my vr set up next week 
storm stag
how do you join in beta
via steam
valid quiver
yeah in steam settings
plain ridge
Go to steam library, right click vrchat, properties, Betas, select open-beta
storm stag
beta access code
opaque jewel
The problem I see with the ranking is for new players
plain ridge
It will automatically change over and install the open-beta client. Don't need one.
valid quiver
it's open, none needed
storm stag
i aint a new player
plain ridge
New players have had these limitations all along, this is just a visual representation of the content gate along with a new security system.
storm stag
ohh so no need for code
winged igloo
The content gates on new users have been in place for months
No need for code, should be open beta
plain ridge
No need for code, just opt into beta and close.
storm stag
wew thanks
cuz i cant see allot of my friends
opaque jewel
Put yourself in the shoes of a new player that installed VRChat. Most likely the majority of the community is going to have you blocked and you can't upload avatars or worlds. What makes you think they will want to continue playing unless they actually push through?
indigo fern
at least this update is getting people testing the beta 
cold talon
Make avatar that shows custom messages to different saftey levels 
plain ridge
You won't be able to see many people while in open beta. Will have to switch over to public build to see people again.
winged igloo
If you are using the beta client, you can't see people using the release client
umbral oracle
Open beta is only people in open beta.
vocal shard
I meet someone
valid quiver
yeah i had to switch back to play with people
vocal shard
I think they might be cute
indigo fern
:0
plain ridge
Everyone is cute in their own way.
indigo fern
no u
plain ridge
fast bronze
thank christ for the announcement
opaque jewel
The ranking system although seems good on paper just seems like a bad idea that is going to separate the community more than it already is
But hey, I hope I can be proven wrong.
indigo fern
orange team 4 lyfe
any other colors i will fight
get off my turf
plain ridge
Will only separate people who see a color tier ranking as an opportunity to put themselves over others, which are people I wouldn't want to be around anyway.
fading owl
it separates content visibilty from the get go though
winged igloo
It doesn't force that though
opaque jewel
Forgot to mention the over inflated egos that can come from this.
umbral reef
even less new dope avatar creators 
plain ridge
Only to the point that people choose to limit it. It's completely customizable and can be disabled completely.
umbral reef
@opaque jewel for an big part of the community that is impossible
indigo fern
and it is more accessible than the particle limiter
winged igloo
The ranking system takes content creation into account, the more avatars and worlds you upload the more likely you are to rank up
fading owl
From what read in the discussion chat @winged igloo people with the user rank will have stuff except voice and avatar blocked
indigo fern
rank up? it would be dope af if we had an experience bar
winged igloo
You can turn that off entirely or customise it to your liking very easily
slate rover
Does anyone know a good avatar world that has a good Snake avatar? i want one that has a functioning snake
fading owl
yes but its the default setting isnt it
slate rover
snake from metal gear
fading owl
my problem isnt me seeing others its others seeing me
opaque jewel
@slate rover check CK Sorrow's world
fading owl
cuz thats the only source of fun i still have in vrc
plain ridge
The experience bar will just be a simple EXP: 0% -- (You are somewhere in here. Make more friends/content.) -- 100%
opaque jewel
Friend of mine who has a bunch of Metal Gear models
winged igloo
If you can upload content, people can see you unless they have maximum security on
fading owl
will they see particles, shaders and animations?
@plain ridge theres an exp bar? i mightve overlooked that
slate rover
@opaque jewel what do i search to find it? because i tried ck sorrow but it didn't pop up
plain ridge
No, that was a meme lol
indigo fern
there isnt, i just said it would be cool
winged igloo
If they use the default settings, no, but if you have someone as a friend they can see all your stuff regardless of rank
opaque jewel
@slate rover let me check my friend list and I'll dm you
slate rover
alrighty
fading owl
@winged igloo and thats the problem
i run around in public making people laugh and if they decide to just leave their settings and play i can do all i want
they wont see anything
great π
vast tulip
@fading owl what adblock do you use in your web browser?
plain ridge
New Users that have access to content creation get voice and avatar, next tier you get custom animations, next tier, audio, tier after that everything.
fading owl
none
i support people on youtube by watching ads
and i dont really use any other websites except google itself so i dont need one
I mightve found a solution
is there a maximum number of friends?
winged igloo
You also have to remember that the point of a beta is to test things, if a load of people are unhappy with how something is, they will change it. That is the point of this testing period
plain ridge
If you have too many friends it begins causing lag/issues in the social tab, but you could have hundreds
fading owl
perfect ill just add anyone i see
vast tulip
I have over 700 friends with no issues yet
I did have issues back when friends showed by default
Offline friends
indigo fern
cerzix adds everyone and becomes a veteran super quick, continues to add everyone π
vast tulip
But that's fixed
winged igloo
@fading owl , if you have an issue with the beta, try it out and if you still think that it is an issue, let the team know and if enough people share the same view they will make changes
That's the point of having an open beta
final vale
What's laughing coffee anyway ? Is it a user ? A certain type of crash ? A group?
vast tulip
They were actually not really wanting feedback on it until after it's been in live and just want bug reports atm because this is the kind of system you assume the worst but ends up not being bad
plain ridge
Give it a month or so and the initial phase of people joking around about the tier differences will die down. I don't think it's a big issue.
winged igloo
Same
umbral reef
@plain ridge thats if it works out well
As i know plenty of people who still joke about systems in place
plain ridge
If it doesn't then fixes can be made. Just don't freak out the first week or so it drops.
winged igloo
I don't like how people see it pessimistically rather than optimistically. This system could actually encourage a lot of people to create content and interact more and play more in order to reach higher ranks levels
umbral reef
and people also still ask how to currently pass the trust system and i dont see that really change
plain ridge
The current trust system is doing it's job as far as i'm concerned.
umbral reef
I dont see how it promotes making avatars again as the most basic thing (costume animators) isnt on by default and you get suggested to never go to the lighter settings....
winged igloo
Before content gating was in place people would bring in really offensive avatars on throwaway accounts
umbral reef
I do see how it can immensely help getting users back into the world again
Instead of sitting in there corner with just there friends
plain ridge
Most people won't use the default settings. If they want to block certain tiers then they have every right to do that, they miss out on great content but all the power to them.
winged igloo
This update was ultimately about making public worlds safe again
lilac swan
I'm just loving the fact I can now go public without the expectation of being crashed, having my view obstructed or moved, having to deal with avatar audio spam or see endless meme particles all over the place. Now I can actually engage with newer people in relative peace
umbral reef
Wasnt the previous one with content gating together with particle limiter also an attempt to do that?... Isnt this more an refining of the current system?
gleaming kraken
anyone else having a problem where no matter what world they visit and whatever instance they go to, they always get sent to one where you're alone?
plain ridge
If the biggest problem is that "people won't know they can change default settings and will miss content without knowing it", tutorials and stuff can be put in place so new users are aware of it.
winged igloo
That's why the new loading screens are so useful
lilac swan
That's because you're in open beta probably, Spy. You can only see other people in the beta aswell
Even though you see your friends online and such
umbral reef
@plain ridge It has been proven users cant even read 3 lines of texts to understand how to do things... An full video is only for those who are seeking for information
gleaming kraken
oh didnt even realize it
umbral reef
@winged igloo They are great but plenty of things are left out still imo
winged igloo
All it takes is for a group of people to absorb the information and then it usually spreads a lot by word of mouth
plain ridge
I mean from what i've seen in avatar channels and such, there are some people who can't be helped without having their hand held, but that's where the discord chats and such will come in play with explaining what's going on.
umbral reef
Or atleasst in my limited time i have never gotten them then
winged igloo
For example turning off personal space was never in a video but everyone does it
umbral reef
So every time i talk about the Particle limiter preventing crashing even without having to edit the settings is an well known fact?
And that is because you 'need' to use that to play.. Its hard to play without it for anyone always
plain ridge
It will take time to get used to and might not be the perfect solution that makes everyone happy, but it does seem like a good step forward in ensuring that people can join a public world relatively worry free.
winged igloo
For sure!
fading owl
@umbral reef is the particle limited enabled by default?
fading owl
Well, then i dont really think i need it anyway
indigo fern
and you cant turn it on in-game
umbral reef
It would have prevented all particle crashers
Shader crashers would still hurt ya but that is an smaller group
indigo fern
this update remedies the problem
but before, the limiter was definitely needed
umbral reef
But thanks for accidently giving the perfect demonstration of why information is being badly spread...
dawn pecan
I guess shader crashers use geometry shaders?
umbral oracle
I can't show or hide a user's avatars. All the buttons are disabled
indigo fern
well, honestly ive only been crashed like, 3 times in 400 hours, but the limiter completely shut down particle crashes
dawn pecan
Found out recently that you can just make any geometry you want with shaders, a guy made a rotating tesseract (4D cube) even
umbral oracle
No shaders are usually blocked for full screen effects
You can make things "crash" people in a number of ways by being inefficient. A really poorly written geometry shader might be one of many ways
tidal aspen
geometry shaders can be pretty nasty if itβs unoptimized
umbral reef
Thing is- Anyone can crash anything
But that includes themself
What means they are legit using self-destruct... What makes it pointless
ivory folio
make it distance based, ez
umbral oracle
Ya shaders are really powerful tools and they can make beautiful otherworldly effects that are beyond anything you can see in real life.
You can't fix this with simple distance based filters. How far away. In the pug everyone is close by
fringe glade
2 lines is enough
ivory folio
yeah distance based is ez
dawn pecan
I probably shouldn't give people ideas lol
plain ridge
Yeah had the same thought haha
ivory folio
delete evidence π
tidal aspen
I mean people that crash either have no idea what theyβre doing and are just using someone elseβs shit
or they already have ideas
dawn pecan
Man I need to learn how to code shaders, I want a rotating tesseract or a fractal in my world
tidal aspen
yeah learning shaders is a bitch
dawn pecan
There's also some people who make crash shit to destribute to others
So that they can feel powerful or smart I guess
thick flare
yeah, like the creator of that pathetic client
created for no reason other than just being a dick
dawn pecan
I'll admit I don't know how he modified the client to call those functions correctly, but as far as hacked clients go it's pretty meh, and it's only using build-in VRChat functions
I figured out how the ranks work, I can guess a friends statue before looking them up
thick flare
you can view your friend's rank without logging in
dawn pecan
That's what I'm doing. I mean that before checking, I can reliably guess what their rank will be
thick flare
login the vrchat website
thick flare
inspect->network
dawn pecan
I think the console is F12
Search a player, click them, and in the console it should access api/auth/user/ (some ID), go to that URL
thick flare
something like this
dawn pecan
That's almost unreadable lol
fading owl
well...
dawn pecan
In the browser it looks better, especially if you have json support
thick flare
not if you are not my friend
fading owl
oof
thick flare
or wait...
dawn pecan
Just "certix"?
dawn pecan
my bad
fading owl
^^
dawn pecan
Veteran
thick flare
maybe i can search
then inspect
huh
displayName: "Cerzix"
tags: ["system_avatar_access", "system_world_access", "system_legend", "system_trust_basic",
legend?
plain ridge
Jesus.. Just leaned against the enter key on my keyboard and that ended up opening like 15 vrchat tabs
vocal shard
Curious what the requirements for veteran are
indigo fern
Legend is veteran, you gotta count down one
vocal shard
Cerzix did you publish any worlds?
fading owl
oooh okay
dawn pecan
IT's not system_trust_legend, sorry
fading owl
upload but not publish
indigo fern
Oh, not trust legend, nevermind
sudden nacelle
Gamer rank is higher tho 
fading owl
π
vocal shard
How many hours ingame?
sudden nacelle
All of them
fading owl
would have to check but bout 300
thick flare
how many friends?
vocal shard
Hmm
sudden nacelle
Too many to keep track tbh
vocal shard
Yes
thick flare
brb making friends
vocal shard
Cant be the point to just get rewarded for friending anyone
sudden nacelle
Not really acceptibg friend requests atm
thick flare
no, making a board to display that i need friend
sudden nacelle
Until i memorize that person
frosty kettle
How can I even check my rank?
dawn pecan
Friends are not a strict requirement (it might be for the first few ranks, but not later on)
Give me your username, or scroll up in the chat to the past 5 times it was explained π
frosty kettle
I have a friend who is veteran
He has 994 hours 2 worlds published and a BUNCH of avatars so
There's a scale
dawn pecan
I have a single legendary I think
dawn pecan
Look up friends with less avatars and see if some of them don't have it
vocal shard
1 world and 80 avatars
plain ridge
Well looking at the description of the Veteran rank, it's not just uploaded content but "popular" content. Take that however you will.
frosty kettle
I thought this was mostly going to be based on hours honestly
vocal shard
How would they meassure popular content
plain ridge
Things like world density and stuff like that.
vocal shard
But thats kinda unfair to people who dont do x thing
plain ridge
Well x thing is only one part of the equation, not exactly a requirement.
vocal shard
Like say you are a legend with making models for publics or something but dont do worlds, youβd never be able to get veteran?
dawn pecan
The ranks have descriptions?
tidal aspen
itβs all speculation since they canβt tell us or itβll be abused
dawn pecan
Does anyone know if the creator of "avatars by toga" is legend?
plain ridge
Could think of it as like a + b + c + d + e = f, where f is the number that meets the requirement for a tier. You might not complete c and d, so it just takes more of a, b, and e to get to f
vocal shard
Sounds reasonable
dawn pecan
It does, which is why I doubt it's the case
plain ridge
So right now, pre-release it could seem like only world uploaders and such are getting Veteran, but that's just because it will take longer for other people to reach the requirement.
frosty kettle
Person is very popular
vocal shard
Im just hoping they dont count blocked people because many people randomly block you
dawn pecan
Know his/her name?
rigid crescent
I mean why does being Legend matter that much to someone
dawn pecan
blocked avatars is different from being individually blocked
raven silo
it base on your popluar as well
frosty kettle
Tbf Being a vrchat legend sounds cool as hell
raven silo
if you youtuber and twitcher user popluar
willow solstice
10 months played, 390 hours, no worlds published, known
vocal shard
See
plain ridge
About the same here.
vocal shard
Thats just weird af
willow solstice
so probably a time cutoff
frosty kettle
Still don't even know how to see my own rank
tidal aspen
most people with veteran have 1000+ hours from what Iβve seen
sterile drift
VRChat legend is unused basically, when you're listed as Legend you're just Veteran
rigid crescent
1600 hours, no world, Trusted
tidal aspen
Trusted with ~690 hours lots of avatars and a few worlds
plain ridge
I mean not really. Known is a good medium ground for most users. Trusted is another step up entirely, could require more time and such
sterile drift
@tidal aspen Funnily enough I'm veteran and people who I know that have been playing longer have like, trusted or something
tidal aspen
Made deathrun map which was popular for a while
not sure how much that gets put into account
vocal shard
I doubt that gets calculated
At least i cant imagine them checking pretty much your entire history
rigid crescent
"Was this name on the Popular world list? OK there ya go" I doubt it's hard
vocal shard
Might also depend on how many public models you made or something
rigid crescent
We already know worlds are attached to users anyway
frosty kettle
@tidal aspen Hey man me and my community have had a lot of fun on your map and I really appreicate it you gave us tons of moments of laughter and joy
willow solstice
nah i have plenty of avatars upped
tidal aspen
The community spotlight is a thing so theyβd could get stuff from there
willow solstice
probably not that
raven silo
I think base on popluar in community
tidal aspen
np man, been too busy to update it though
dawn pecan
The creator of Japan Shrine only has trusted it seems
vocal shard
So how about someone creates a form for people to enter their stats?
Maybe we can draw a line from that
rigid crescent
Yeah let's crack the system so people can abuse it, good idea
vocal shard
Im curious thats all
willow solstice
well thats what happens with hidden mechanics
plain ridge
It's best to just leave it as "There are a lot of factors that come into play, just play the game and make content as normal"
vocal shard
And im sure other people will have the same idea
willow solstice
people find it out regardless
raven silo
dont worry about ranks if do then you going put your self more problem
rigid crescent
Then let people find it out, I sitll don't see many people who have found out the upload permissions requirements, or it'd be public knowledge and there wouldn't be dozens of people asking every day
plain ridge
Problem with making a list would be the different variables at play, two people could make the same amount of avatars, close to same amount of play time, and close to number of friends, and still get different rank based on other factors.
Like with the description of Veteran, the tier your friends are ranked at seems to play in a bit.,
frosty kettle
It said something about having trusted friends also brings up your rank
raven silo
i think more base on developer likeness anything with vertians status
rigid crescent
Yeah true, the room I was in was full of Veterans
willow solstice
this is going to piss people off, I guarantee it
rigid crescent
The only pissed off people are the people who think they deserve a higher rank when it doesn't really matter socially to begin with
plain ridge
Things like previous bans, moderator actions, properly done blocks, etc could also play in./
tidal aspen
itβs based on the trust system so getting blocked muted and kicked would make you lose βrankβ
limpid token
Oh boy
raven silo
to me trust good enough
limpid token
So when my friends kick me I loserank
rigid crescent
maybe, maybe not
limpid token
That doesnt sound like fun
rigid crescent
maybe it factors out kicks by friends, who knows
dawn pecan
Get better friends dude
south viper
getting muted decreases trust? I hope this will stop people eating chips with open mic
plain ridge
I'm sure they have a way to determine if like a group of trolls mass block you, and that won't count against you.
rigid crescent
The people who NEED their avatar to be seen because they love attention, the people who didn't get the rank they wanted, and the people who are just flat out misinformed are the main ones with an issue with it
limpid token
Lol what
raven silo
there some people just going set to user only because rank system
south viper
I think I will override mine to user actually
limpid token
My game is stuck on an infinite loading screen wth
vocal shard
The ranks create preassure
limpid token
Havent had this issue since I played on a laptop back in January
dawn pecan
Try the basic fixes on the support channel
rigid crescent
I like the color, so I'll stay Trusted, but I'll have all my permissions on except for Particles for User and up, maybe Shader off if someone starts messing around
south viper
well, it's something to decide once it's in the main release. right now I'm just going to make an avatar with some features that only show up when you're blocking shaders
vocal shard
And some people will treat you differently
rigid crescent
Pressure? What pressure?
plain ridge
Any speculation of what is taken into account with how you get the rank is of course only speculation.
rigid crescent
Who? People you wouldn't want to interact with anyway?
vocal shard
No people that are jeallous for example
rigid crescent
so why would you care what a person jealous about a rank in a social video game thinks, and why would yo uwant to be their friend
limpid token
That's a personal problem
raven silo
but what if thy made new invite system base on rank
plain ridge
This system isn't going to limit you in any way other than the new user trust gating that was already in place. The only thing this system will do is allow you to choose what you see.
umbral reef
@raven silo Thats an big what IF
nimble linden
is there a way to access my blocked users list to unblock people? I'd like to unblock everybody since this new system negates the need for it for me
sudden nacelle
Speculations going wild
dawn pecan
If people trust you differently for your rank, is it really people that you want to be with to begin with?
umbral reef
@plain ridge It is going to set back a lot of content creators in what they can show off
rigid crescent
Yeah INSANE speculation lol
Why would it set them back? If they're not abusive, then they'll be fine
sudden nacelle
@nimble linden not that i know of
tidal aspen
sorry I only talk to PURPLES
rigid crescent
^
plain ridge
It will only set them back if they care about absolutely everyone seeing their content. People who want to see the content will see it. Those who don't want to see it will have it blocked, it's as simple as that.
sudden nacelle
π ±urple
dawn pecan
You have the worst form of humor possibly Jaw
dawn pecan
I just wanted to inform you
nimble linden
I think it's a perfectly sensible way to handle it and I've been asking for it for ages
south viper
aww
nimble linden
If there's a better way, by all means, suggest it
south viper
the first time ever that one has backfired
sudden nacelle
We already went over this caffeine
dawn pecan
At least keep the memes in random chat
rigid crescent
sharex/puush
raven silo
purple vs Green
polar jasper
@sly veldt Are you on the release build or open beta? We joined, but you aren't here π (we are open beta)
vocal shard
we don't know Sol-J
we can only guess that it's for special users
maybe some admins
or some specific streamers
vocal shard
then what is the veteran rank ?
so to get the real tag
you need to look down a level
dawn pecan
Getting tag "n" in the api gives you rank "n-1" in VRchat
vocal shard
then what's the real rank of a visitor ? 
non-existent ?
dawn pecan
I was wrong earlier when I said that legend didn't exist, I thought people were talking about system_legend, but it seems system_trust_legend actually exists
frosty kettle
So it's just mislabeled then?
vocal shard
yes
frosty kettle
So legend is an actual rank then
dawn pecan
Visitor is probably "basic" or just no tag
twin jacinth
if getting muted decreases your trust level, what about mute by default?
how does that work
vocal shard
legend is veteran apparently
raven silo
vistor maybe steam user
dawn pecan
Legend is the highest rank in the api, which means that the highest rank in game is veteran
twin jacinth
Oh okai, yeah it'd be dumb if that was the case.
vocal shard
you could just gather a group of friends and kick/block/mute everyone to fuck them up
vocal shard
yeah
plain ridge
I'm mute and got Known, based on my time and all of that it seems to be the right rank for me.
vocal shard
they got a lot of tweaking to do
twin jacinth
Yeah easy to abuse such a system
vocal shard
the panic mode will overwrite your own custom settings currently
frosty kettle
Im only a user after like 300 hours which Im a little upset about
vocal shard
but they are working on fixing that already
dunno why they didnt do it since the beginning
twin jacinth
Friends and such counts too Sol-J
vocal shard
i'm a "known" user
umbral reef
Im just an user and i almost never play 
!
raven silo
im Trust user
vocal shard
i have "trust user" in the API
plain ridge
I only have User on Mooxy so eh
vocal shard
but in-game it's just "known user"
bleak nymph
Where can I check this API thing?
twin jacinth
indicator of how much time a user has spent in VRChat, how much content theyβve contributed, the friends theyβve made, and many other factors.
i guess the content is what gives you the top 2 ranks?
raven silo
known user get close trust might be couple more month
plain ridge
Creating public content probably is higher weighted in the top two tiers but I don't think it's a requirement.
frosty kettle
So I just counted I have 190 Friends and Still only user*
raven silo
i think base on what people hand out to
twin jacinth
hand out to?
it also might not give out the right ranks as it's still in beta
frosty kettle
Some people have veteran though
raven silo
look at that person background.
thick flare
making public content actually counts?
plain ridge
Most of the veterans i've seen in game are world creaters/large streamers that have been around a long time/avatar creators etc
frosty kettle
Seems so My friend has 2 worlds published
plain ridge
Basically people who have contributed largely to the community.
dawn pecan
Japan shrine creator only has trusted tag
frosty kettle
He's veteran
twin jacinth
Unsure of what rank i'll get as i made my vrc account recently
played like 300-400 hours on my steam account and then 100-200 on my vrc
frosty kettle
He's pretty popular in the game but not a huge streamer
thick flare
i might consider making my avatar world public then
but i only have two avatars π©
vocal shard
Lol
See
apparently
if you have a lot of friends with "veteran rank"
you get more trust score yourself
frosty kettle
lol leeching off streamers
vocal shard
encouraging elitism
dawn pecan
Got enough examples to validate that?
dawn pecan
It sounds possible, but I can't see how you can be 100% sure
frosty kettle
I thought it said so in the patch notes
vocal shard
got a lot of friends with like 40 hours and only friends are veteran
and they have the veteran rank too
raven silo
more like get if you with Ron most time lol
vocal shard
the whole system is weird
It makes sense considering that you do similar things like the people you hang with
look at pan
livid abyss
What does the veteran rank gives u ?
dawn pecan
Well having content creators as friends makes you want to upload stuff too
vocal shard
3k hours and a lot of content creation
and he is the same trust score as a new user that got upload rights
(β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
if you have a lot of friends with "veteran rank" you get more trust score yourself
You mean, literally china?
floral flaxBOT
β¬βββ¬ γ( γ-γγ) There you go
raven silo
huh he dont have purple?
vocal shard
@livid abyss it doesnt give you anything
twin jacinth
Gives you nothing but a different nametag color.
vocal shard
your name plate will be purple
and the default preset safety will allow everything for you
vocal shard
Im curious what itβll look like in public worlds with all those different colored nametags
i just fucking hope that they fixed the draw calls of the name plate
in the current system
Lol
each iconon the nameplate is 1 draw call
umbral reef
Ow my i wonder how bad it is gonna be
vocal shard
each name plate is like 2 or 3 draw calls
multiply that by 20
enjoy
Might be better to play with nametags off from now π
in the current system it's actually better to remove them
if you have a lot of people in the same instance
Could make it so you can chose if you want to see colors or not
from 20 fps i went up to 45 again when i removed them
dawn pecan
Some avatars are 100 draw calls in themselves
They might be pretty bad for other reasons though, something with the transparency probably?
vocal shard
But imagine them being solid
each icon on the current name plate is 1 draw call
so the friend icon will add 1 draw call
same for the mute and block icon
i just hope that they fixed that with the new system
because they got a lot more shit in there now
dawn pecan
Could make the text solid and the frame solid, and just leave empty space between the two
You don't need transparency to draw something invisible
steep pagoda
tbh everyone complaining now about colors
and i give it only a few days/ week till everyone forgets/ just dosent care about the colors and ends up likeing it XD happens everytime lol
rigid crescent
Basically. It's mainly people upset they didn't get the ran kthey want or worried about imaginary scenarios lol
dawn pecan
People hate change, then they get used to it I guess
rigid crescent
yeah remember the vive controls
vocal shard
you get used to it because you don't have a choice
rigid crescent
You don't like how someone else who isn't you views your name? Then make it green...
shell nest
what is this BS with the trusted user role that I'm not getting it when my sista who joined months later than me whose clearly got less hours and has been kicked from rooms more times that me can be trusted but i'm only a known user wtf. we've both uploaded many avatars, we both have worlds. yet here you are giving her a higher rank than me even though I'm the one who even got her into your app
dawn pecan
Make a yellow shader and place it in front of your name
Actually that's a bit low to do, but I just felt like writing that
rigid crescent
Why do you care so much about the rank? See?
That's what I mean, it's people upset they didn't get the one they want
shell nest
because I am not seen as trusted yet i've not nothing but support the community to the best I can and even reported people who discriminate?
rigid crescent
OK but who cares? How does this affect your game experience
shell nest
it affect is very much because people will be 100% less likely to talk to me as a known user vs trusted user
rigid crescent
If it makes yo ufeel any better, this rank existed long before the beta/update, it was just invisible.
steep pagoda
lol yellow veternen is supposed to be for useres who have done alot in vrchat and are to the point that newer useres could walk up to them
and ask for help
thats what its for so newer useres can ask for help and know who to go to lol XD
give it some time to sink in
the system is great and miles above what we had before
once everyonme starts using it and gets used it to im sure everyone will prefer it much more compared to old versions
and complaining about rank is nothing
the system is fully automated and random in a sense so its all based on what the user does
rigid crescent
And you know that based on?
100% less likely to be spoken to is a ridiculous claim, you'll be just fine.
thick flare
well... for me it kind of force me to be more active
dawn pecan
Ranks have existed for a long time, just not visible
livid abyss
Dont speak to someone because hes rank is low or different is just stupid π
thick flare
which i might like
plain ridge
Just because you aren't "trusted" rank doesn't mean you aren't trusted. It's just the name of a tier. You could replace the trusted tier with the name Avocado Tier and it would mean the same thing.
shell nest
so being supportive helping new users learn how to upload avatars, being a community supporter and having more than enough hours doesn't deserve me to be a veteran but a troll can because it's random
rigid crescent
OK but whoooooo caaaaaaaares
"People won't talk to me due to my rank!" So you'd want to talk to someone who would treat you that way? What sense does that make?
dawn pecan
It's not entirely random
You need about 20-40 hours to get upload access, that's pretty consistent
shell nest
this is stupid i have well over 1k hours
vocal shard
Why does it have randomness anyways?
You're forgetting the other end, vet users thinking they're better than anyone because they're vets is very possible too
rigid crescent
No one can ever tell me why their rank matters other than random speculation lol
umbral reef
@steep pagoda If VRC cant even help users within this discord for small problems and always refer them towards #vrchat-support
And its so bad that if an group of 4a5 users doesnt help people within here none gets help
vocal shard
people care about the trust system because of the preset safety system that will basically transform you into a boring and plain looking avatar
livid abyss
be happy they dont add buyable ranks like creator rank u have to buy for upload stuff π
shell nest
i've been playing since before the knuckles shenanigans
vocal shard
most new user or the average user will just leave his safety level to normal
dawn pecan
It's not random at all actually, it's just varrying factors. But it's consistant enough I think
rigid crescent
Why does it matter if they think they're better? That means they weren't worth talking to.
vocal shard
and known user and under it will basically be blocked
plain ridge
So have I, i'm also Known, it's life, i'm not complaining.
vocal shard
that's why people care
rigid crescent
"basically be blocked" explain?
vocal shard
sound, animations and custom shaders will be blocked
rigid crescent
So, I can see and speak to you right?
thick flare
animations too!?
plain ridge
Only if users use the default settings, which most people i know will not be using default, they are using custom.
vocal shard
that's all you can do
rigid crescent
OK?
vocal shard
except if you are a visitor
rigid crescent
So I can see and speak to you, right?
vocal shard
by default a visitor can't talk
steep pagoda
dont forget ranking system will most likly change to overtime and people will be adjusted into more proper ranks or tag system itself might change to be more in line with this newsystem
shell nest
i do my best to keep my avatars very clean and optimized so that I can not be one of those people who are deemed a troll or to have a laggy avatar
vocal shard
Because you get dissed regardless, you get yelled at regardless, just because you can block the damage later doesn't undo it
dawn pecan
People hate defaults, look how many mod the SDK
inner cape
Yo, anyone who isnt a veteran doesnt deserve to be here 
rigid crescent
BY DEFAULT, yes. What user's settings ar 100% default?
inner cape
Filfthy animals
rigid crescent
What freedom?
shell nest
@vocal shard exactly
vocal shard
And if your models ypu put a shat ton of effort into to look goof get fucked with those settings its extremely frustraing
what's the point on creating animations and shaders if half the people will just block all that
This rank system has a very high percentage of abuse
plain ridge
This system does nothing at all to limit your freedom. It only allows people to choose what they see. It's their freedom.
vocal shard
according to the blog post
Devs can do literally ANYTHING with it
they got some systems to prevent abuse
rigid crescent
So I should be forced to see your avatar, right?
shell nest
and the fact that they are not being transparent about this is ridiculous my sister doesn't even have VR and I do and yet shes trusted and I'm not
rigid crescent
that's what you're saying?
plain ridge
What you're saying is people shouldn't have the freedom to not see your stuff because you spent a lot of time on it and it's nice.
dawn pecan
Don't most people want to block it already? Now they just got that power is all
thick flare
in a way it is limiting me
rigid crescent
I should be forced to see your avatar even if I don't want to?
vocal shard
yes
shell nest
yes
thick flare
you can block me altogether
dawn pecan
Or in other words, is there any better system? It's this, or blocking everone
vocal shard
fuck you, look at my shaders
Why even bother doing custom avatars if literally nobody will see it tbh
rigid crescent
I should be forced to see your annoying shader, your annoying animation, your annoying X Y or Z
inner cape
Social hierarchy now 
raven silo
well if lag everyone maybe best work on better particle and shader dont effect them
vocal shard
rigid crescent
"Literally nobody" Where are these numbers coming from!?
thick flare
there is a block button for that
shell nest
yes and you should have the right to block me after the fact
rigid crescent
Except what if I don't want to block you? What if I WANT to meet new people to try and put my trust in?
umbral reef
@rigid crescent There is an block function btw
Same for an way to stop all animations already
raven silo
problem no one want to use the block button
thick flare
then it is their problem
vocal shard
You don't know that most people make friends based on but not limited to cool avatars and talking?
shell nest
becuase you know what you base your interest in a person partially on their avatar if you mute everyone and block everyones avatar get off vrc becuase you're wasting your time not being social on a social platform
vocal shard
the problem is that the system will block most new user by default and you need to choose which one to see
it should be the other way around, leave them unblocked and choose who to block
rigid crescent
I can still see your avatar, there are whiteliste shaders
vocal shard
Now take away cool avatars and imagine yourself in a packed room
Not everyone uses shader to be cancer
rigid crescent
Why are avatars disappearing?
vocal shard
^
rigid crescent
I can set it to whatever I want...
umbral reef
Mic- Your talking about the most basic un original, not special/meme-y avatars
vocal shard
You say we lump everyone into being users of the system, yet you lump us all into bitches with screenshake
most new user won't bother changing the settings
umbral reef
Most avatar creators that put lots of time making original things dont use the basic shaders...
vocal shard
they will leave it by default
shell nest
the point of shaders is to display my avatar my avatar will litterally look like trash because the shader i use actually uses the MMD sphere textures to do shading
rigid crescent
Yeah, why would those disappear? I can still see the avatar, and if I like you, and you like me, we can add eachother.
dawn pecan
The system just gives you the ability to change your settings
umbral reef
An scuffed as fuck avatar isnt fun looking at or playing as
dawn pecan
IT doesn't descriminate, it just allows us to do so
vocal shard
you are assuming everyone with a shader is cancer tho
rigid crescent
If a scuffed avatar isn't fun to look at then WHY would I set myself, my own personal settings, to block them
plain ridge
If you aren't then you will get added or whitelisted on the user end.
dawn pecan
Which is what we wanted, because it's this or blocking everybody, or risking malicious users
umbral reef
@dawn pecan It tells you to not to 'As its dangerous!!!!! β '
inner cape
Screenraping cunts running around are the majority of those who use a lot of shaders anyway
dawn pecan
That's just a warning for the vulnerable people who are new to these things
vocal shard
Its not just about social aspects its about how you can represent yourself aswell. If thats limited by default due to some random factors thats annoying. Idc if people block or hide me but i disagree with some system shutting down my freedom as a creator
shell nest
becuase it's an MMD model and they are scuffed PERIOD without proper shading
thick flare
i am actually ok with shaders being taken away, but i am not too happy about the animation part
rigid crescent
Then use a whitelsited shader?
shell nest
why those shaders are trash
rigid crescent
OR stop caring how people see you
umbral reef
@shell nest A few buttons with cats plugin and lots of shit is fixed for VRC ~
vocal shard
Goodbye all my animations
shell nest
they don't use the proper MMD shading techniques
dawn pecan
Experience is the difference between those who think that using alcohol in VRChat is dangerous, and those that get black out drunk in VRChat every weekend
vocal shard
No more walking properly
thick flare
stop caring how people see you=stop making avatar
lets all use nikei to represent ourselves
plain ridge
You need to think about it in another way. Some people want to be in a room talking to people without having to watch people dancing around, playing music, doing crazy animations, while they are trying to have a conversation.
rigid crescent
The people who want to see you will, the people who don't want to won't.
vocal shard
Yoooooooooooooooo it's all an elaborate ruse to get people away from avatar making
umbral reef
@plain ridge Aka discord VR and not VRC
plain ridge
This system doesn't take your animations or stuff away from you, it just makes it so we don't have to see it.
dawn pecan
I will probably block most shaders, and mute the "possible troll" rank, but that's it
rigid crescent
"Nobody" Where is this coming from? WHy nobody?
vocal shard
Because you and me know most vrchat users trust the dev team
shell nest
i'm sorry I would rather use the shader I use that actually utilizes the sph and spa files that come with MMD models to give them the proper real detail they were made with in MMD so they look near identical to the videos on YT etc vs a 'toon' shader rip-off that can't even do shadows properly
royal pond
my shader actually isn't whitelisted, but hopefully it'll gain trusted status sometime in the future
shell nest
^
vocal shard
And when the dev team says "DONT DO THAT" they wont
plain ridge
We trust the dev team to make a system. The system literally has a custom option that allows you to make it so anyone can do any of the options.
rigid crescent
I want it to get whitelisted Syn β€
shell nest
syn is my sister btw
royal pond
thanks mic ^^
plain ridge
If people are interested in seeing animations or shaders or anything, they can allow it.
vocal shard
But its so dangerous remember
umbral reef
We trust the dev team to make all type of calls?...
rigid crescent
She's a lot more level headed than you lol
shell nest
no we're near identical
umbral reef
Fairly sure they fucked up in the past fairly bigly a few times with changes they had to revert
vocal shard
Think about it
dawn pecan
There's also "personal space" which everybody disable when they learn that it's the reason they can't make out with random kannas without them disappearing
plain ridge
So far this system seems pretty well put together. It's not even released yet. They have said it's not final. They are making changes.
shell nest
it's thanks to me you even have her shader available
shell nest
well it's great and you should
rigid crescent
It just seems selfish to want everyone to have to see your avatar a certain way as opposed to letting the people who WANT to see it that way see it, it just seems like people in dire need of attention.
livid abyss
Personal space was on by default too and every new player disabled it
vocal shard
Who will want to see it?
shell nest
i think shaders are a necessity to your avatar where particles are not
rigid crescent
"The people who want to"
vocal shard
Give me one example
rigid crescent
Me?
raven silo
@vocal shard new user cant upload till there give access to it
vocal shard
You clearly dont
rigid crescent
I'll be allowing shaders from User+
vocal shard
yeah i know
rigid crescent
then blocking avatar on a case by case basis from there
plain ridge
Other avatar creators could be interested in seeing it. I will honestly keep it enabled on User+ as long as i'm not trying to focus on a single group of friends.
vocal shard
and visitor + new users are basically a standard boring model without any custom animation for normal trust preset
rigid crescent
But I'm just level headed enough to realize not everyone should be forced to play the way I play.
vocal shard
kinda sad
shell nest
you can't block specific peoples avatars afaik without blocking the user completely
rigid crescent
You can.
vocal shard
you can now
royal pond
honestly people can use whatever shader they want but I'm just putting mine out there so that people can use it, its very good i know but not a requirement that everyone use it, I won't be offended
vocal shard
you can block a specific avatar wihout blocking the user
plain ridge
You can choose to block a person specifically, can even choose to only block their shader, animations, sound, avatar, etc.
vocal shard
which is the only thing i'm really happy about the new system
shell nest
new beta feature I didn't read about?
rigid crescent
Yes
shell nest
well that's good
rigid crescent
Can you block an individual's shader? I missed that.
languid compass
LEGEND
shell nest
i did read it i must have missed that part
rigid crescent
Oh I think there is an option for that
vocal shard
Yep you can mute voices by default now
rigid crescent
You could already mute voices by default though
inner cape
Blocking non veterans on sight
vocal shard
imagine that people seriously do that
rigid crescent
Blocking non-vets, including myself
plain ridge
Blocking all tiers. This is now TrapVRC
inner cape
Streamers will do that
vocal shard
2 months till i get a htc vive!!!!
languid compass
i OnLy TaLk tO PuRplE UsErS
umbral reef
We should block all veterans on sight 
vocal shard
USERS SHOULD SEE WHO THEY WANT TO SEE YOU FRIGGIN BULLY
nobody gives a shit about streamers
Devs do
inner cape
Devs do
rigid crescent
I mean I don't wathc streamers but they're the reason the game is popular lol
vocal shard
Lmfao
they are just normal people that get money for playing this shit feast of a game
shell nest
whats worse is that when I get kicked from a world it was becuase people were trolling which doesn't matter becuase I was kicked so it looks bad on me even though they were just being trolls
rigid crescent
Streamers probably won't do that, a lot of streamers I've seen sounded happy they can go into publics more often.
umbral reef
A lot of streamers are retards that are fake nice though
vocal shard
Streamers are often loud and rude
umbral reef
Only a small group is properly nice
vocal shard
excuse me i only interact with the goodest people in battle discs and presentation room
Id rather have a streamer role to block
rigid crescent
Battle Disc Rank please
dawn pecan
Some streamers feel "fake" I guess
vocal shard
^
inner cape
MoRe cOntEnT tO rEcOrD anD geT mOneY fOr otHeR pEoplEs wOrK
plain ridge
Battle Disc World Championships pls
ancient parcel
what's real? this is the future, this is the digital world this is the matrix
vocal shard
Some even go out of their way to be rude and yell for attention
thick flare
how about death run?
umbral reef
@dawn pecan are*
rigid crescent
I mean I've met more normal users that do that than streaemrs lol
shell nest
these criteria for ranks need to be 100% transparent
vocal shard
me and my boi nukeamzion or whatever tf his name is are doing the oof to people on the battle discs
dawn pecan
I guess
rigid crescent
No, no they do not
languid compass
VRChatβ’ is now a RANKED game
rigid crescent
otherwise they can be easily abused
vocal shard
Yes but streamers do it on purpose
thick flare
no
vocal shard
For views
rigid crescent
yeah, so do non-streamers, for attention
dawn pecan
Battle disc almost cost me a controller and a minor some months ago
thick flare
if they are transparent, then it can be abused
plain ridge
It can't be 100% transparent for the same reason the new user content gate can't be transparent.
shell nest
they can't be abused if they are transparent and you can lose your rank
rigid crescent
....what
ancient parcel
but then they can't be known
vocal shard
Non-streamers dont have thousands or hundreds of followers who take their behaviour to heart
rigid crescent
Yeah, they're just jerks who troll for fun
vocal shard
They're an annoyance but they're singular and condemned
rigid crescent
still the same amount of annoying, and the same amount of blocked
ancient parcel
which makes this new system even worse
inner cape
umbral reef
non streamers dont make harassment video's :lul:
vocal shard
Streamers spawn thousands of annoyances
plain ridge
This new system has definitions for each rank that gives a general list of what a user does to reach that rank.
vocal shard
They make their followers think this behaviour is ok
rigid crescent
"Hey guys we made it transparent how to rank up, so all you abusers rank up through our detailed rank up plan so you can get Trusted and spam your particles!"
thick flare
"be nice to others"
rigid crescent
absolute genius
vocal shard
More like
inner cape
rigid crescent
big mood
umbral reef
To be fair- If you find someone with that i would love to talk to them π
Would be awesome and rare
vocal shard
"Hey guys let's give streamers veteran role so they have an incentive to play our game more!"
ancient parcel
and then you will see a bunch of those
rigid crescent
Plenty of non-streamers have it so thats not really an issue lol
thick flare
"oh and fuck the new comers who doesn't have veteran friends"
raven silo
@vocal shard lol i think that true reason
austere meteor
Im waiting for the pokemon master rank
vocal shard
how do i get veteran rank
cold talon
New update: you an now buy rank booster packs on vrc website
vocal shard
This system like I said is gatekeepy as fuck
vocal shard
It gives people excuses to abuse it
rigid crescent
You know, the people acting like the lower ranks are the plagued few seem to be the people who are the lower ranks, I don't see many people higher up bragging about hwo mcuh easier it'll be to segregate you guys
umbral reef
@vocal shard Self your soul
vocal shard
im not popular tho
ancient parcel
@cold talon no you gotta buy the loot box which has a % to get the booster
inner cape
plain ridge
It's only that way by default. You as a person can choose what each tier can show. You can display everything for new users if you want.
languid compass
when are they gonna implement delete all friends feature
vocal shard
But that's because higher roles exist to begin with with seemingly more allowances
rigid crescent
Restart Button
vocal shard
when patience is true
cold talon
loot baxes
inner cape
Delete all non veterans when
umbral reef
Gee i wonder why the people who are stuck with the negative things of the system complain about the negative things while the group who only gains things from it dont
rigid crescent
Gain? What do they gain?
umbral reef
What an surprise
vocal shard
oh geez rick my head hurts because of my fever so im gonna go now its 1 am so bye
umbral reef
Why do you think the system is implemented?
rigid crescent
To better weed out abusers.
quartz basin
Because devs like to control people?
rigid crescent
...It's a gain for you too
simple scroll
@rigid crescent Because lower ranjs will get duscord expirience and not VRC experience?
ancient parcel
nah you need to pay someone to boost your rank for you
vocal shard
does anyone know which folder the pictures taken with the camera go to?
quartz basin
Oh no, rank sellers will be a thing now...
cold talon
Now you can also unlock forced avatars and forced worlds
quartz basin
It goes into your picture folder
rigid crescent
Notice how I didn't say the higher ranks don't have a problem with it, I said they're not out here bragging about blocking all the lower ranks. You'd think al lthese TERRIBLE people would be rubbing it in your face
cold talon
Only for 12$ each
inner cape
Disk C > pictures > VRChat
dawn pecan
You can't blame the system, blame people who discriminate, or those who are malicious and make this system neccesary
rigid crescent
Whoa, Sparky. I can see your avatar in discord?
raven silo
watch people only friend other person there rank lol
ancient parcel
@vocal shard user/ something/pictures/vrchat
vocal shard
π
quartz basin
No no no, you don't punish the whole userbase because some bad apples don't behave.
rigid crescent
Wait show me your avatar and do the finger gun gesture I wanna see it
quartz basin
You punish the bad apples.
sonic verge
the feels when your friends starting to hate you because you hangout in 250mb+ public worlds
inner cape
Fuck you terroir
ancient parcel
@quartz basin bad apple is a good song
inner cape
plain ridge
I don't see how this punishes anyone. It doesn't take anything away from you other than a forced spotlight.
rigid crescent
I just see a bunch of hypothetical issues that can be fixed if they occur
sonic verge
lol @inner cape
simple scroll
@rigid crescent Neither you would see it un vrc, because of newcomer rank
umbral reef
It kinda sets the average user to an state where there avatars are legit nothing but an base skin
quartz basin
Well, if you only hang out with your friends you don't need this system in the first place.
raven silo
verteran just going get annoying ask how they got it