vrchat-general-2

[umbral reef]

When did i insult you?

[vocal shard]

did big guy oclac hurt you with his words ? 😢

[brisk yew]

And again, it was a brainstorm idea

[vocal shard]

when someone say they finna crash me im gonna go safe mode

or block him

[brisk yew]

And you did by saying that I was uh

What was it

[vocal shard]

way faster and more practical

[umbral reef]

And i said it would be impossible- There are othey systems that can work- But the VAC system in its current state or slightly modified wont.

[brisk yew]

“Stupid or memeing”

[vocal shard]

it takes like 7 seconds for the menu to pop up for me to block them

[thick flare]

then trigger safe mode and block him

[brisk yew]

I know, I was just brainstorming and idea and then I get some aggressive attack and some dude being extremely condescending and telling me I can’t have an idea

[umbral reef]

Dense is not stupid...
f dense is used as figurative (of a person), then dense means that it's difficult to explain anything to that person because they can't make sense of complex ideas (because their head is too "dense" or "thick" to get anything through)

[vocal shard]

that0s what we do here fez

like a certain content creator

[brisk yew]

I know, I was just brainstorming and idea and then I get some aggressive and attack being extremely condescending and telling me I can’t have an idea

[quiet prawn]

and if that doesn't work, can always do it through the API, or via the website

[umbral reef]

The word has an negative meaning behind it but its far from an insult

[ocean bramble]

Drama everyday

[vocal shard]

yep

shit feast upon shit feast

[brisk yew]

Either way usually when people say dense, they mean it as an insult

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone Atleast im not being made out for an racist today !
This fella atleast doesnt insult

[vocal shard]

send shaders trademark

i like it, we can get some good private memes from them sometimes

[umbral reef]

And i mean words by there meaning/definition~

[brisk yew]

But you do

And you’re a racist too? Interesting

[quiet prawn]

well, being willfully ignorant isn't a good thing.

[umbral reef]

Ow welp- Guess i can retract my statement for not being made out for an racist by this fella

[brisk yew]

Being condescending isn’t either

I would be willing to educate myself to someone who actually deserves the attention

[umbral reef]

Wonder if the mods also read this or only if we throw shade on streamers

[quiet prawn]

And throwing around labels to try and win an argument doesn't make a good case for yourself either.

[vocal shard]

DRAMA ALERT 😄

Do move on from this conversation.

[brisk yew]

What labels?

Thanks

[vocal shard]

Before it even gets more and more derailed.

the mod spoke

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone Ow no-
Im fairly active within this community and i often get into talks like these because well- Why would i not say something if i dissagree or so wrong information being spread.
And most often they end up being like this and i get made out for bad things

And the streamer comment is kind of a meme by now- Il be happy to explain that within dm's

[vocal shard]

stay cool guys ^^

👌

[brisk yew]

Huh? Ok dude @idle beacon

[vocal shard]

i am cool

[brisk yew]

Anyway

[ocean bramble]

I need my daily dose of drama

[vocal shard]

there is like 5 windows open so im cool right

@ocean bramble ur suck

im hot it’s too hot here 😭

Natural air conditioning (tm)

[umbral reef]

@ocean bramble Want me to mention you next time :^)?

[vocal shard]

what about his suck ?

[brisk yew]

I don’t even know who GV is

But anyway

[ocean bramble]

@umbral reef Yes please

[umbral reef]

Will do

[brisk yew]

Good

[umbral reef]

Also- Dope to see i can be made out for an racist again without them getting an warning 👌

[brisk yew]

Also is punkbuster even still relevant

[vocal shard]

whats punkbuster

can i say stuff too or is someone going to make an hour long video against me ?

[median basalt]

[vocal shard]

yeah he is

[median basalt]

Ayyy

[vocal shard]

As said earlier, do move on from the conversation now.

[brisk yew]

Punkbuster is anti cheat

[vocal shard]

ok

Used in many games. Including the Battlefield series.

[ocean bramble]

What game was punkbuster in?

ah

[brisk yew]

Battlefield

And uh

[vocal shard]

Thank you very much.

is cheat engine patched tho

[brisk yew]

Lots of old GameSpy games

[vocal shard]

oof

yes very indeed

You see, that's why you need rules and obey them. 👌

Maintain order (tm)

yes

order maintained (trade heccin mark)

[brisk yew]

I had a question about some models though

If someone walks in with a broken avatar that causes lag and it’s not theirs

Who gets in trouble for it? The uploaded or the user

Uploader*

[thick flare]

both

[vocal shard]

both???

Easy Anticheat could be a good choice also 🤔

[umbral reef]

Depends- Is it badly optimized or made to crash

[brisk yew]

Badly optimized

[vocal shard]

it depends on the type of person

[thick flare]

you won't get into trouble with that

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure no one gets in trouble then really...

Doing shit work and having 200 dynamic bones and 50 materials isnt against the rules

But having 20001 poly's is 👀

[thick flare]

are just calling my avatar a shit work?

[vocal shard]

I guess it could be possible to just walk to the person and say "Your avatar is causing massive lag, could you switch to a different one ?" and if they refuse... well... you just found a stubborn person 😄

OOF

[thick flare]

triggered

[median basalt]

There is literally nothing stopping people from being unoptimized, other than maybe the poly limit

My first avatar was 112 meshes

The SDK told me it was a-okay because it was only 8k polys

[vocal shard]

so crashing people using an unoptimized shader "accidently" is allowed ? 🤔

last night i was playing on presentation room and there was this tomato with a gift and when it opened it played earrape and made me lag

[thick flare]

no

[vocal shard]

yeet

[thick flare]

you can't crash people "accidently"

not without crashing yourself

[vocal shard]

don't open gifts from people you don't know

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard If you have such an badly optimized avatar you bean yourself also

[vocal shard]

deserved

[brisk yew]

Well I was told some dude like

Had an avatar that had a TON of polygons in his head

And if you walk into it, you crash

[median basalt]

That might have been a shader

[thick flare]

yes, you can report that

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure its not polygons but an shader instead

[median basalt]

But that just proves that blocking shaders won't solve anything

If polys are enough

[brisk yew]

Polygons

I think

[umbral reef]

But as Teito said- That would be an valid enough reason to report them

[vocal shard]

Maybe add one of those tips at the loading screen that would say "Not all avatars are properly optimized and may cause trouble for other users. Respect other users." lol

blocking won't solve anything if a network packet is enough

[brisk yew]

O

[grave dagger]

Most crashers use shaders or particles which the new patch should help mitigate

[vocal shard]

eye

[umbral reef]

Ram crashing is an thing tho

[grave dagger]

The problem is going to be stealthy trusted and veterans using crashers.

[brisk yew]

Does the game have memory leak issues

[vocal shard]

i saw people crash accidently

some people tested shader and they fucked and instantly crashed

[umbral reef]

@grave dagger I dont think that will be as much of an problem though

[vocal shard]

they didnt make it for crashing but that was still the end result

some main hackers are currently veteran

[grave dagger]

How to pick them out from crowd though

but then again, nothing is 100% foolproof

[brisk yew]

I just think some kind of anti-cheat would be nice

[vocal shard]

Being able to manually disable shaders and particles/special effects is a very welcomed addition imo.

[brisk yew]

Even a shitty one

[grave dagger]

Im just happy publics are gonna be interesting again

Poor new players right now are stuck in publics with the cancer and crasher avies

really bad first impression for newbies i think

[median basalt]

I think the trust system is still bad for newer users

[thick flare]

how does the shader trust system work?

[brisk yew]

Least it’s not like early 2018

[median basalt]

Since a lot of people will have them blocked because the game told them "it's safer that way"

[brisk yew]

click click click

[vocal shard]

If the devs could somehow find a way to implement a watchdog for memory integrity (or something like that), so the anticheat could detect any illegal alteration of the memory. That could block many of those modded clients.

[grave dagger]

Not voice though so at least they can interact

[brisk yew]

Do you know de way

[vocal shard]

XD

[grave dagger]

itll be a hill to climb sure, but at least they wont crash all the time

[vocal shard]

Hopefully they don't put xigncode3 in VRChat. That thing is pure evil.

[polar jasper]

@thick flare It sets them to the standard unity shader

[thick flare]

oh no

i don't like that

[brisk yew]

Oh I also meant to ask

[vocal shard]

what in despacito is xigncode3

[brisk yew]

Is PDA bannable

[tidal aspen]

who needs to socialize when you can block and mute everyone

[grave dagger]

Better standard shaders than creepy ghost robot mans

[vocal shard]

my exact thoughts

xigncode3 is an anticheat that has a tendency to send more informations about you than necessary

[thick flare]

wait, is unlit a part of the standard shader?

[vocal shard]

oof

[median basalt]

Presumably it's not a whitelist

[vocal shard]

Basically... it's malware.

[median basalt]

It's just a forced revert to standard shader

[polar jasper]

@thick flare It's only for those trust statuses you set them to be off it will change. It still looks good on people. Except those with boxes around their head and so on

[vocal shard]

xigncode3 sends your bank account info, your first middle and last name, your steam info, your vrchat account, your life

xd

[brisk yew]

Where you poop

Who you made love with

[vocal shard]

lol

[brisk yew]

What you ate

[vocal shard]

Your questionable photos

[tidal aspen]

you must supply your ssn to play vrchat

[vocal shard]

your location

[ocean bramble]

Your soul

[vocal shard]

your photos and videos

[tidal aspen]

confirm you identity

[grave dagger]

You can customize what you see anyway

[vocal shard]

your webcam your microphone

[grave dagger]

so you can set the amount of risk you're willing to take

[brisk yew]

Your social security number

[vocal shard]

your sms

[brisk yew]

Your power level

[grave dagger]

just like mutual funds XD

[thick flare]

over 9000

[ocean bramble]

Your local police officer

[vocal shard]

your storage

you

[thick flare]

don't think they can handle my powa

[vocal shard]

your memes

folder

Btw... if you played Blade & Soul or Black Desert Online, you have that malware installed.

gg

[grave dagger]

Not the memes

[thick flare]

i played both

shit...

[vocal shard]

i havent heard of both

[grave dagger]

same, oh no

2x the malware

[vocal shard]

XD

[brisk yew]

Knuckles: oh no

[vocal shard]

hey teal

[ocean bramble]

OH NO

[vocal shard]

is your pfp the code for teal

Yup

lol

[modern sand]

#general-media

[vocal shard]

oof

Oh admin spoke. Redirect to #general-media time

gg

🙄

[grave dagger]

Cant wait to try the new client ☺️

[vocal shard]

what new client

[brisk yew]

The new client update which lets u poop

[vocal shard]

wh

[brisk yew]

Ye

[gilded flame]

soooo what does it take to get into that beta

[vocal shard]

patience

Rat is short for Rathew

[polar jasper]

There you go guys.. Posted the safety pictures in #vrchat-pictures

[brisk yew]

Cool

What’s the hotkey to instantly turn on safe mode

[vocal shard]

for windows or vr

[brisk yew]

Desktop

[lean wharf]

@modern sand

there is a problem

[vocal shard]

idk

[lean wharf]

i've found many people

crashing

[brisk yew]

I

[lean wharf]

vr users

[brisk yew]

O

[coral quarry]

Hello there everyone

[lean wharf]

and non vr

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard Could you post the a screencap of both "Normal" and "Maximum" filtering level ? 😮

[lean wharf]

especially the Laughing Coffin

[modern sand]

#moderation-reports thanks

[polar jasper]

@vocal shard I just did in #vrchat-pictures

[vocal shard]

as in what

@vocal shard

Ah okay it's an album, my bad

#internetnoob

[brisk yew]

Oh another question

So like

Is PDA allowed?

I saw a couple being weird in public earlier

No but this was like

Borderline R rated

[odd blaze]

shift+esc ~ panic mode on desktop , i just bind it to a mousebutton

[brisk yew]

Thanks

[vocal shard]

for vr its i think on oculus its b and b and the grip buttons

[brisk yew]

Like this was

Crazy

Making noises and grinding together

I guess they have a public humiliation kink

[vocal shard]

what

[brisk yew]

What?

Yes that’s a kink

[vocal shard]

uh

[brisk yew]

Just not sure if it’s allowed

[warped urchin]

Rip me legend rank. I'd have expected to get that but hey I can live with veteran

[tidal onyx]

Nani Custom Content already after playing 3-4 hours? GG lol.

[vocal shard]

poggers

[tidal onyx]

Still waiting for Name change.

[ruby burrow]

There's no definite line on how far is too far for lewd stuffs, spare straight up explicit nudity. Is hard to call.

[brisk yew]

O

[tidal onyx]

Naked Avatars are allowed in VRChat anyways

[brisk yew]

Not if they show genitals

[tidal onyx]

even if they do its allowed actually

[brisk yew]

No my friend got banned for that

[ruby burrow]

^ Yeah, hence why I said explicit nudity.

[brisk yew]

It’s only allowed in a private instance that’s invite only if I recall right

[cold talon]

did someone say nudity?

[umbral reef]

Its only allowed under some really specific (dumb) rules

[ruby burrow]

I'm pretty certain genitals are definitely not allowed.

[tidal onyx]

in public its not allowed, but like said on the loading screen Private and Friends only everything else is bannable.

[umbral reef]

@brisk yew No streamer has to be also within the room

[polar jasper]

Not in public and if no one is going to report you

[umbral reef]

So its honstly more- If we cant see it, we dont care

[brisk yew]

I know

That was actually something else I wanted to

[ruby burrow]

What Oclac said.

[vocal shard]

thount

[tidal onyx]

Also naked Avatars are allowed alsong the 18+ things dont glitch out while stuff something like that

if im right

[vocal shard]

friends+ and public is unallowed

[brisk yew]

Twitch says on their ToS that you are responsible for even accidental NSFW content

So my question is, will I actually get in trouble with Twitch if some douche bag decide to jump into the server with a horribly adult avatar

[polar jasper]

If you do nothing to prevent it yes

[brisk yew]

Yeah that’s what I tried telling people but apparently twitch TOS says something different

[tidal onyx]

if you write 18+ in your stream and set it to that then its allowed right?

[brisk yew]

No it’s not

[tidal onyx]

oh god

[brisk yew]

Twitch does not allow any x rated content

Ever

[ruby burrow]

Lol, no.

[tidal onyx]

But can you stream naked stuff by accident if you dont upload the stream?

[ruby burrow]

Then it's not a stream though...

[brisk yew]

Yeah that’s kind of a gray area, I was told that you can apparently do that as long as you immediately try to cover it up but then I look at the TOS it says your responsible even for accidental showings

[tidal onyx]

that sucks then im never going to make livestreams xD

[ruby burrow]

If you're just recording video and don't upload, sure. But a stream is inherently a live broadcast.

[brisk yew]

I think he’s talking about VOD

[sonic verge]

I really wonder why people with epilepsy still play this game when theres a warning about them and others can make bright things however they want in the game

[tidal onyx]

what if you delete the livestream after ur done so they cant see

[umbral reef]

To be fair- I think the rule is so stupid that an user can be banned if someone else streams them

[brisk yew]

Well I don’t think twitch should ban if someone with his genitals hanging out runs in front of me

Because I have no control over that

I mean I can do my best to block him immediately but still

[tidal onyx]

well then dont stream that game.. or friends only the best u can do

[umbral reef]

One way-
I do get twitch being this insane about there rules... Look at the PC culture that is alive...
At the same time, most of the time you cant do anything about it

[brisk yew]

Yeah but part of the fun is seeing all the interesting things that people create

I was told context matters in some circumstances so I think it depends

[ruby burrow]

@umbral reef Well the idea is basically that you failed to keep it private enough in such a scenario. It's about maintaining the games public image.

[tidal onyx]

i would already get banned from twitch if i would just look down to my chest tho its wearing something^^

[umbral reef]

Well- I know if you try to prevent it they are often less caring
But if you like follow them around and show it more then needed they bean ya

[ruby burrow]

And avoiding any legal action that might enforce an age rating onto it.

[umbral reef]

But what counts as what... No idea

[brisk yew]

Actually we’ve already done streams where we have characters with massive honkers

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow I totally get the rules- I can still disagree with them ;p

[brisk yew]

As long as they are covered up and you don’t try to focus the stream on sex, Twitch won’t care

[kind wedge]

Who got to see the next update streamed last night/this morning?

[tidal onyx]

what update

[umbral reef]

I got the photo stuff from it

Didnt see the stream itself

[kind wedge]

There's going to be an update in about a week that completely reworks the safety system

[ruby burrow]

Also actually, the VR Chat rules are probably partly around maintaining a friendly relationship with Twitch itself.

[brisk yew]

Yeah I saw a screenshot

[tidal onyx]

oh that sounds bad

[umbral reef]

Its an awesome but scary update...

[kind wedge]

New namplates, trust system, a lot of the UI is cleaned up

[median basalt]

Lmao

[umbral reef]

It can work out really well but also really badly imo

[tidal onyx]

wym by nameplates exactly?

[median basalt]

The same update that fucks new users and restricts avatar makers even more

[brisk yew]

Yeah I’m pretty sure twitch is OK with a few slipups as long as VR chat is actually doing something about it

[median basalt]

Avatar makers are treated like shit and it will be the death of this game

[umbral reef]

People now have 'ranks' of how trusted they are
If you are more trusted you can show off more from your avatar and get a special bragging right color

[median basalt]

Not the safety system in particular, just the attitude of the devs towards avatar developers

[ruby burrow]

Since the game is already a chaotic and awkward thing to moderate, content wise, for Twitches own rules. Hence the VRC devs want to try and help keep users in line to avoid getting the game banned on it.

[tidal onyx]

can i see some screenshots or even the video?

[tidal aspen]

only PURPLES and above can enter

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow Lmao they are not keeping things in line at all though

[brisk yew]

Yeah I know second life is banned on Twitch

[umbral reef]

Seen enough dumpster fires

[brisk yew]

Since pretty much anything goes On there

[umbral reef]

They might try but well... its not effective for now

[tidal onyx]

where can i see the screenshots?

[polar jasper]

@kind wedge posted full album in #vrchat-pictures 😃

[brisk yew]

To be honest I think experimenting with restrictions on avatars is fine. See what the feedback is, make adjustments from there

[tidal onyx]

ty!

[tidal aspen]

If I joined the game as a new user thinking that I would be able to make some cool shit I see in the videos and find out I had to wait I'd yeet myself out

[forest salmon]

I just really wonder what happens to commissions with the new update

[ruby burrow]

@umbral reef Yeah, but they have to be shown to be trying.

[median basalt]

@tidal aspen same

[polar jasper]

@forest salmon Nothing would change from what it is now

Unless you mean something else

[umbral reef]

@tidal aspen Lmao people fucking go mental over not being to upload already

[ruby needle]

the curent solutions is block or mute all non friends by default

[median basalt]

If the current trust system were there when I joined

I would have left

[ruby needle]

so its a crap ton better

[umbral reef]

Just google "how long" within this server and find thousands of users asking for help with when they can upload

Uuuu search, not google

[brisk yew]

In my opinion I think another good idea would be if a user gets mass reports

Their avatars are temp blocked

[ruby burrow]

Well, the ones that go mental over not being to upload generally seem to be the exact kinds we don't actually want to be uploading.

[brisk yew]

Until a review is done

[umbral reef]

Would make it easier for trolling groups... There are already plenty of organized groups ruining fun within the game

[kind wedge]

What would be the alternative if this kind of thing wasn't regulated?

[tidal onyx]

ugh my main has veteran status but why did i create a new account just to see this stuff RIP

[median basalt]

@kind wedge proper ingame moderation?

The game has zero moderation

[vocal shard]

whats veteran status

[median basalt]

It's all email based on reports you make afterwards

[ruby burrow]

Eg, that guy with the user name, "Happy Crasher", or the other guy who's name was just a long list of random racial profanity.

[median basalt]

Avatar makers are being shafted

[umbral reef]

@kind wedge Im not highly agianst the system
It just has to be properly explained and users need to be properly educated

[forest salmon]

you'll have to explain, cause if somebody creates an avatar for somebody else with custom shaders and animations, don't they get overwiten/deleted if he's not a trusted user? @polar jasper

[median basalt]

New users are being shafted

[brisk yew]

@median basalt Well have fun paying for all the staff members to moderate every single Chatroom

[vocal shard]

what is veteran status my boy

[kind wedge]

Having "stronger in game moderation" is a lot easier said than done

[tidal onyx]

idk but my account has it

[umbral reef]

We still after all this time get users asking when they can upload... Fucking hell the copy pasta for it isnt being used because it became so much work having it saved

[median basalt]

If this continues, the game will die out because 90% of the content (avatar makers) are gonna leave

[tidal onyx]

wait a sec maybe i find it

[polar jasper]

@forest salmon No, they don't get overwritten. All the features in the new update is local only. So it's only what you see. It doesn't alter anything on the avatar itself

[median basalt]

I know several avatar makers who stopped playing the game because the devs treat us like garbage

[umbral reef]

Also- Throw an more highly judged report line for more trusted users
Almost all automated game systems throw an number on users and if they often report users right they get an higher number and higher judged

[tidal aspen]

I understand what the system is there for, but you can mute and block new users

[median basalt]

Also

The system is labeled as "safety"

[tidal onyx]

['system_avatar_access', 'system_world_access', 'system_legend', 'admin_avatar_access', 'admin_world_access', 'system_trust_basic', 'system_trust_intermediate', 'system_feedback_access', 'system_trust_known', 'system_trust_trusted', 'system_trust_veteran']
status
active

[median basalt]

So newer users and uninformed people

[brisk yew]

All I’m saying is, I think a decent solution would be to automatically block an avatar if it gets mass reports and then moderation can do a review

[median basalt]

Newer users and uninformed people will see "safety settings" and set it to max

[vocal shard]

rip old loading screen tho

[median basalt]

And now newer players will be completely blocked out

And the game will starve itself

[umbral reef]

CS;GO uses that system together with the VAC bans-
If the system is fairly sure someone is breaking the rules it needs less 'trusted user points' to bean someone
If its iffy it just throws it to highly trusted users and let them judge it

[vocal shard]

atleast i get calm

[median basalt]

Yep

[steep turret]

oof

anarchy

let's take over

[umbral reef]

Mercy you are not helping right now

[tidal aspen]

I get you can already mute non friends, but people are probably just gonna set mute to new users now so what would be the incentive for people to keep playing if no one is gonna talk to em

[median basalt]

I had devs scream at me because I asked for custom animators

[steep turret]

obviously I'm not serious

[brisk yew]

I think you’re expecting too much out of people making a game for free

[ruby burrow]

So hold on, how does this system work anyway? You're saying there's a safety slider that can block avatars based on trust ranking?

[tidal onyx]

why didnt they just made the settings without user, new user, trusted and all would be better

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow Look at #vrchat-pictures for an imgur album

[median basalt]

The devs don't care about avatar makers, they want everyone to be Nikei and look at cool worlds

[umbral reef]

Explains it all there

[polar jasper]

@ruby burrow Check #vrchat-pictures

[ruby needle]

you can customise what you want to see base on users trust valie @ruby burrow

[median basalt]

There is only room for 5 bullies in this Discord

Boomie's gotta go

[steep turret]

the new system thing looks weird

[ruby burrow]

If new users set that to max and couldn't see anything, they're not going to keep it at max. They'd meet two people and adjust it back right away.

[tidal aspen]

worlds can't be cool if triggers break :^(

[brisk yew]

Oh well

[steep turret]

ripperonies

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow For that they need to fucking know how the system works and know its an thing

[median basalt]

@tidal aspen that too, but at least that's not a result of the devs' vision

[brisk yew]

And G1 if you got an issue with me, discuss it in private DMs. Thanks

[median basalt]

Other than the fact that they ignore the canny

[umbral reef]

People barely know about the particel limiter and its been out for an fairly long time imo

[median basalt]

It took the devs several months to investigate a gamebreaking bug

That affected Luxerion and SAO world

[vocal shard]

where can I find the release notes for the beta build?

[median basalt]

There are no release notes

[vocal shard]

o

[ruby burrow]

Doesn't sound that complex to me. Noob asks the first blocked person, "Why can't I see anyone?" > Answer, "Do you have saftey set to max? Turn that down." Solved.

[median basalt]

Also if this update doesn't have chairs, I'm calling the lie of the devs

[ruby burrow]

Not remotely a problem.

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard If you want info about the new 'rank' system look at #vrchat-pictures for an imgur album

[median basalt]

Because the devs said chairs were coming in weeks, not months

[kind wedge]

I've heard alot of mixed responses to this update tbh. A lot of individual servers say this is a great update and "we can finally hang out in public again". I hate to sound like a shill and I know you guys hear it all the time but

post it on the canny

[vocal shard]

what heck

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow Spend 3 days here helping users like we do-

And you know how dumb most users are

[sterile drift]

Oh my what's going on here

[umbral reef]

And bruh- You know its a suggestion board and that suggestions are nothing but that...

[tidal aspen]

It's fine for users playing, but shitty for new users

[brisk yew]

I just don’t think we should be asking so much out of people working for free

[umbral reef]

They get read and shredded most of time

[brisk yew]

Let them experiment

[umbral reef]

And if they dont we wont know about it untill its an thing

[ocean bramble]

@brisk yew They get paid..

[median basalt]

@kind wedge the canny gets us ignored

[tidal aspen]

they're funded by htc

[brisk yew]

By who

[forest salmon]

The new system could actually be interesting but may shaft a lot of new users, still I feel more people will now go back to public

[kind wedge]

What are the top five posts on the canny right now?

[median basalt]

The 5 most popular requests on the Canny are custom animators

[sterile drift]

@brisk yew This game is only free for early access.

[median basalt]

They were a while ago at least

[brisk yew]

Who pays them

[median basalt]

And the devs ignored all of it

[umbral reef]

@median basalt Google VRC and HTC

[median basalt]

The top bug reports get ignored unless it's easy fixed

[ocean bramble]

@brisk yew HTC gave them 4 million dollars a while back

[sterile drift]

Lol

[brisk yew]

Oh I thought this was a passion project, my mistake, but either way it’s free for us

[polar jasper]

@kind wedge It's a good update for sure. It will have it's drawbacks on somethings and there will be a phase that is going to be bad/good for one or more.

[median basalt]

There were 2 cannys asking for custom animators, two for separate gestures, one for AFK animations, and one for spawn. Those all fall under the umbrella custom animators.

Instead, all we get is hackspanner mansplaining to us why it's not possible

smh

Even though

An exploit existed

That allowed us to have custom animators

So why can't the devs do it themselves?

[brisk yew]

It’s an early access. There’s going to be radical changes that people will either love or hate

Let them experiment

[umbral reef]

@brisk yew Still- Its smarter to listen to the userbase that gives well writen out suggestions and feedback while also being an insane help towards all of the community instead of an egotistical streamer (as there are plenty out there and fyi im not talking about you)

[ruby burrow]

The game started as a passion project. Now it's backed by HTC. Not surprising why, since I meet new users going nuts about wanting to get VR because of the game almost every day.

[kind wedge]

I know for a fact a few canny posts have been addressed in the new update. The last update fixed two canny posts about mute issues and full body IK disabling eye tracking

It just takes time

[median basalt]

@kind wedge the IK eye tracking took 6 months

At least

Yep

They don't care about the Canny

The canny is just a way for them to get validated on their decisions.

[brisk yew]

@idle beacon we’re working on a project atm

anyway

I’m not saying they’re being egotistical. They are certainly going to listen to feedback if they get enough of it

[median basalt]

They don't take suggestions or requests, they just do whatever the fuck they want, find a canny for it, then claim it's "implemented"

The canny is a farce

[brisk yew]

I don’t think they are

[median basalt]

The canny's feature requests tab is a farce

The bug report tab is rarely looked at

[ruby burrow]

I don't believe that's the case.

[steep turret]

he is

gotcha fam

❤️

🌮🌮🌮

[brisk yew]

D❤️

Who is?

[warped urchin]

Updates don't just appear in thin air

[brisk yew]

I’ve been in here for a while, just not in this particular discord

[tidal aspen]

this one sure did

[brisk yew]

And what I was trying to say was, I’m not sure why merc

[steep turret]

👀

why what

[brisk yew]

Said “he is”

[umbral reef]

Also about the VRC money thing- They had two public known seed rounds
One where they got 1.2M from various companies and a second for 4M where HTC was the head contributor

[brisk yew]

Like what was that in response to

[polar jasper]

This update addresses about 3-5 canny posts at least

[steep turret]

I was talking to g1fan

[umbral reef]

First one in 2016, second one in 2017

[brisk yew]

Yeah but like what were you responding to

OK, good for you

Lol

[steep turret]

ilu g1fan

[ruby burrow]

I still have the opinion that half the complaints here are a case of armchair development, not understanding the real time scale of game development. Every single early access game I've ever been in the community of has this same discussion again and again and again.

[steep turret]

huhue ❤️

[median basalt]

@ruby burrow I disagree.

.

[sterile drift]

Same here

[median basalt]

It's shit we could realistically do within a day.

[kind wedge]

"we want better in game moderation! But we also want the whole team addressing the canny! No not like that do these posts not those ones!"

[vocal shard]

what in the

[brisk yew]

I respect the devs a lot and they’re very professional with how they respond to sometimes toxic behavior

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow Normally i would agree but with the current users active... Not really

[median basalt]

@kind wedge nice strawman

[umbral reef]

Rokk as example is the main dude helping users within this discord with avatars... He knows shit avatar shit and lots more

[median basalt]

If they ignore 5 trending posts but go for stupid stuff like "add more camera filters" we have the right to criticize

[kind wedge]

To you're knowledge, they're being ignored

[warped urchin]

@ruby burrow half more like all of them

[median basalt]

They are ignored

[umbral reef]

@kind wedge what is the problem, we get 0 communication

[vocal shard]

guys i just sprayed lysol my room im about to spray vrchat with some lysol

[kind wedge]

The camera update was unspoken of for months after its first request

[brisk yew]

There’s many different variables you have to take into consideration up with game development. Maybe there’s issues with implementing certain things, maybe some people are on vacation, maybe some people are still learning how to implement certain things

[median basalt]

If we get zero feedback then it's ignored

From our perspective

[kind wedge]

Then it came out of nowhere

[warped urchin]

Nearly nobody in this discord understands how much work needs to be put in to do the things they ask

[median basalt]

@warped urchin I do

Hello I am a programmer

[warped urchin]

Sure you can do it easily. Or you can do it right.

[median basalt]

We devised an exploit within 30 minutes that gave us custom animators

[steep turret]

I doubt thats true I'm sure there are intelligent people better

[quiet prawn]

hoo boi

[median basalt]

We already did it

[steep turret]

*here

[warped urchin]

No you didn't.

You exploited the system lmao

[steep turret]

yup

[warped urchin]

And it was already proven by ruubrick that redoing the whole system would require everyone to re-upload it all

[brisk yew]

@idle beacon That’s a rather disturbing way of putting it

[umbral reef]

Why does this community have so many fake experts 💤
Its not like Rokk has shown off shit within this discord even

[warped urchin]

It's not as simple as you think.

[median basalt]

@warped urchin we made a trigger that replaced our runtime animator controller after avatar load. You're telling me the devs can't do that? That would make the devs incredibly incompetent.

[umbral reef]

Or that he is the main user helping with avatars just like Svel

[warped urchin]

The fuck

[median basalt]

A reupload would not be necessary

[warped urchin]

You're exploiting the system to do something unintended

[median basalt]

They already added extra options to the avatar descriptor without breaking backwards compatibility

[sterile drift]

I know like nothing compared to them but I do understand their point of view

[kind wedge]

This is like the modded client that prevented crashes by disabling all animations lmao

[median basalt]

Murakumo you have no idea what I am even talking about, stop trying to pass judgment on how easy/hard it is

[sterile drift]

They do know what they're talking about

[warped urchin]

Yes but this is much different and you just said how you did it. It wasn't a feature it's a bug.

[ruby burrow]

That exploit had it's own issues and bugs and you yourself know it. The game cannot be a jury rigged patchwork job of 30 minute implementations. Shit has to be done properly with a long future of development in mind.

[warped urchin]

Your bug let you do something you wanted

[umbral reef]

@kind wedge UUuu no?

[kind wedge]

All updates have to be implemented in a way that can be built off of. You can't do a last minute hack job and say "it works"

[median basalt]

You're not getting it and I won't repeat myself. Trigger replaced Animator.runtimeAnimatorController three seconds after load. You're telling me the devs can't do the same thing?

[warped urchin]

Actually this conversation is moot ruubrick already explained this in #general-media

[steep turret]

It's like Daddy hit mommy at the dinner table and we're all still trying to eat

[ruby burrow]

They can't afford to code themselves into a corner just slapping everything together like this is a short term project.

[warped urchin]

@median basalt replacing something during runtime is beyond stupid to do under an actual development standpoint

[median basalt]

@warped urchin and yet the game does that all the time

That's how everything works you dummy

[warped urchin]

Explain to me who else any other company would do that in there right mind.

[median basalt]

That's how the game's IK works

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow If they build on groundwork projects there should not be this many holes that they have to fix up along the way

[median basalt]

That's literally how the avatar descriptor works

[ruby burrow]

They can do the same thing Rokk, and they won't, because it would only cause more problems further down the line.

[sterile drift]

IS THAT SANDS UNDERTAL

[median basalt]

@ruby burrow such as?

[warped urchin]

And people want more feedback but more feedback takes more dev time away

[median basalt]

I would like to know the specific problems associated with loading custom animator controllers from a field in the avatar descriptor

Go ahead

[umbral reef]

Its not that hard to hire an social media manager-

[warped urchin]

@median basalt go check #general-media

Ruubrick explained it all

[ruby burrow]

You can look at Space Engineers for an example of a game that wrote itself into a corner with hasty early dev work, followed by three years of nothing, trying to work round their past poor decisions.

[median basalt]

Also, "runtime animator controller" is just the term Unity uses for it @warped urchin. You would know this if you knew a bit about Unity. Since you don't, stop trying to argue this

It's called runtime even though it's assigned before runtime in most cases

[brisk yew]

There is such a thing as listening to too much feedback. Look at The Culling. They added in so much stuff that it became an absolute mess

It was like a Frankenstein monster of different gameplay features

[median basalt]

Until any of you can explain to me the specific problems of custom animators, I won't be convinced

[warped urchin]

@median basalt you clear have no idea what I mean by runtime

[still lark]

This chat though

[warped urchin]

Runtime is when the game is running

You replaced the controller during runtime

[brisk yew]

Actually they did, that’s what killed them. They were literally just pumping out update after update after update after update that just made the game a complete mess

[warped urchin]

You now know a new term

[median basalt]

@warped urchin literally every avatar is loaded during runtime

[umbral reef]

@brisk yew There are users you listent o and dont

[median basalt]

So your entire argument is moot

[brisk yew]

Yeah I know

[median basalt]

Avatars are just asset bundles loaded from the web

Everything is done after load

[warped urchin]

Congrats you can read code

[median basalt]

So that argument is entirely invalid

You said it would be a bad way of doing things

Yet that is entirely how the game works

[warped urchin]

You guys are serious impossible to talk to

[still lark]

You mean had a brain? Lol

[warped urchin]

No shit

[umbral reef]

Honestly, listening to most streamers for feedback for what the game needs is shit
They love to suck up the devs anyway~

Getting feedback from users who also code or do alike jobs is an thing that should be done

[warped urchin]

That's how every game works

Lmao

[median basalt]

Right, so what's your argument exactly?

[warped urchin]

I dunno what you're even on about at this point

[sterile drift]

@brisk yew Listen, is Custom animators, a feature that would let people express their creativity far better than having gestures tied to the same hands no matter what, is something that can benefit the view of this game.

[median basalt]

So far everyone has given vague examples of why custom animators wouldn't work

But no specific code talk

[warped urchin]

I said replacing anything while then game is running is a bad idea

Neither have you m8

[umbral reef]

I seen a company fail because of it and im currently getting first hand experience fixing up an start up
There protocols are shit and all im doing all day is working to get things working again (dont code myself btw-)

[median basalt]

@warped urchin of course it's a bad idea, but we were limited by the fact that we used an exploit

[steep turret]

I still want great pug vr bar fights man

[tidal aspen]

nothing can be dynamic at runtime 🤔

[median basalt]

If the devs did it, it wouldn't have to be done after avatar load

I already talked code

I already explained how it would work

[brisk yew]

@sterile drift But isn’t the issue the fact that some animations can break the whole game

[warped urchin]

They honestly have more important things to work on tbh

[steep turret]

obabi

[rough flax]

Is this a vrchat limitation or unity?

[steep turret]

sweats

[median basalt]

The game just loads its own animator controller and then replaces the animations with the supplied ones. Or it checks if your override controller inherits from the expected, then applies it. Either way, same result.

@warped urchin more important things like camera filters?

[sterile drift]

@brisk yew Easily can put bars on what you can do with those animators

[warped urchin]

@median basalt no safety features, IK, etc

[brisk yew]

I suppose but can’t people easily bypass it

[median basalt]

@brisk yew generic rigs already have custom animators right now

@warped urchin we had IK

IK and animator controllers are not exactly related

[brisk yew]

I mean there’s no anti-cheat

[sterile drift]

There kinda is?

If the game detects a modded client

[placid umbra]

This is an old conversation that's been done

Hackspanner discussed it

[median basalt]

I remember that yeah

[warped urchin]

Oh yes that's who not ruubrick

[rough flax]

several people are typing

[brisk yew]

So I’m sure bypassing everything and making a custom animation that makes your character grow to 30,000 times it’s size is an issue

[median basalt]

[brisk yew]

And okie

[sterile drift]

Several

[median basalt]

He blocked me without even having to ping or message him lmao

[wary karma]

yeah, that was a shitshow

[warped urchin]

They've yet to at all work on filters

They won't either

[placid umbra]

Are you ignoring the part where he explained the issue in detail to you?

[ruby burrow]

Didn't you already have this discussion with Hackspanner? Regarding plans for the IK system and why that effects things? That any implementation of animators would only be rendered broken after future changes?

[median basalt]

@placid umbra actually that's a good point

He did bring up a few good points afterwards

[warped urchin]

You're all talking to a brick wall he only sees what he wants and only complains about his own ideas not being implemented.

This is who knows how many times

This topic is brought up

[median basalt]

But none of those were insurmountable in the slightest. The largest issue seems to be that the game uses a separate animator controller to determine bend targets (because Final IK isn't super smart about it)

[ruby burrow]

The exact thing I was saying about not coding the game into an inflexible corner.

[warped urchin]

It's been explained numerous times.

[placid umbra]

This theme of your little group complaining about animators with every new VRChat update is getting old real quick

[warped urchin]

^^

[median basalt]

Ayy

[warped urchin]

I see the branches they work on and they work on a lot of shit all the time

It's sorta surprising

But you know people expect everything to be public and talked about but don't understand that slows the hell out of development because not alot of people understand it.

[sterile drift]

Lol

[umbral reef]

@idle beacon They would just ban everyone 👀

[vocal shard]

🚨 DRAMA ALERT (tm) 🚨

[steep turret]

👀👀👀

eats popcorn

[ruby burrow]

Just saying, perhaps you've earned it.

[vocal shard]

[brisk yew]

poops

[vocal shard]

what in heck

[wary karma]

I don't agree with the wording, but I agree that you should be more open about your reasoning behind certain decisions

[umbral reef]

To be fair- By now you can contact the group for legit almost anything a company would need 😂

[vocal shard]

how do i get the beta tho im finna yeezy with the dreezys with it

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure we have someone with large knowledge on how to do shit as its there job/work

[ruby burrow]

There's both valuable feedback, and then there's overly self assured entitled backseat driving.

[wary karma]

regardless of what's being done behind the scenes, people feel like they've gotten very little compared to what's been taken away. If you want to assuage them you have to communicate. Otherwise you just piss them off.

[sterile drift]

Didn't VRC like hire "real" or "professional" Beta Testers from like a company

Instead of looking for community feedback?

[wary karma]

you can't just say nothing and expect the issue to go away

[sterile drift]

Yea but

[vocal shard]

I guess we could possibly use an other "This is derailing, switch to an other topic please" mod warning.

[brisk yew]

Well I don’t blame companies for doing that

Why hire people when you can get people to play for free

[sterile drift]

Ouch uhh

[median basalt]

Lmao what

[sterile drift]

G1 just got oofed

[steep turret]

are you serious?

wow

[brisk yew]

It’s expected

Certain individuals, not saying who, are really pushing it

[vocal shard]

I guess we should move on to an other topic ?

[warped urchin]

Best to do so

[ruby burrow]

There's generally multiple stages/levels of testing. You do as much as is feasible in house first, get rid of the most obvious and fatal bugs, then let it out to public when you're confident it's stable enough for the userbase to discover the more hidden bugs you can't find with only a handful of testers.

[sterile drift]

I mean like you can tell already who pushed it but like

[steep turret]

rip

[warped urchin]

Amazon just released a a microwave with alexa support lmao

Wait

This is VRC gen

[floral bluff]

mura you are a gem

[warped urchin]

👌

[ruby burrow]

In that case, Shepard released an avatar with Alexa support. :v

[warped urchin]

Now that works

Has anyone checked their ranks yet?

[ruby burrow]

(More specifically I think he just has it listening to the incoming voice, but close enough)

[brisk yew]

Alexa, buy me a machine gun

[ruby burrow]

He sets it up on a separate PC/account, and has it follow him around playing whatever music people request, just by speaking to the avatar.

[brisk yew]

“Ok”

[ruby burrow]

The avatar being an Amazon Echo of course.

[brisk yew]

That’s cute

[forest salmon]

impressive

[brisk yew]

Also I meant to ask, is there a way they can make it so certain avatars don’t reach past a certain decibel level

There is no reason why need an avatar blasting things at hyper max volume

[median basalt]

@brisk yew some people got banned on their first offense for no reason though???

[brisk yew]

It happens

[umbral reef]

lmao

[ruby burrow]

There are already measures for that, but also obviously also ways people have found to bypass it.

[median basalt]

It seems like whoever banned them was treating people under unfair circumstances

[brisk yew]

Well hey don’t talk to me about that, not my problem

[raven silo]

stay out trouble never get banned

[wary karma]

but jaz, when that turns into "never speak out" shit gets fuzzy

[median basalt]

GV was just memeing as far as I know and he got yeeted

[sterile drift]

Yea

[umbral reef]

@raven silo Well, this shit happens when 'content creators' break VRC rules but its accepted and they work off there things instead ~

[median basalt]

G1 pinged Aev

Is that worthy of a ban?

[opaque remnant]

that's not going to work, unless you spend all your time in a private world. there's always the risk of getting caught up in something someone else is doing

[median basalt]

I've seen people call each other very nasty stuff and mods told them "take it to DM's" with no action taken

[sterile drift]

GV was meming, not sure about G1

[median basalt]

Inconsistent as heck

[sterile drift]

But strange you weren't tossed

[raven silo]

i stay out public world because lead trouble

[median basalt]

@sterile drift I agree

I've done worse and all I got back then was a kick

[umbral reef]

Hey i got called out for an racist and look who is still here 👀

[sterile drift]

Were they like actually banned or kicked?

[median basalt]

Banned

[raven silo]

public not same when you have 300 troll out 2 good people in public

[sterile drift]

Ouf

[median basalt]

Banned for memeing around

[forest salmon]

oof

[median basalt]

Such fairness

[brisk yew]

I’m starting to think this channel is just nothing but complaining

[ruby burrow]

At least half the time yeah. >_>

[median basalt]

There's definitely been more drama since 1 week ago or something

[wary karma]

welcome to vrcd

[plain ridge]

I've basically just used this discord for the announcement channel, got other places for anything else.

[brisk yew]

I was coming in here to meet some folks with common interests

[wary karma]

yeah, no, boomie, you aren't getting any pity from me. I've seen the shit you've done.

[forest salmon]

I guess most people either left, mute or went to other discords to chat

[brisk yew]

Instead I’m reading complaints because the devs breathed the wrong way

[umbral reef]

Well starting off by being aggressive towards regular helpers in here doesnt help boomie

[brisk yew]

I’m not asking for pity?

[median basalt]

That's a bit short sighted

[ruby burrow]

Same for the most part, but this is a universal forum for the game, so it's a good place to get a wider view of the game's players.

[sterile drift]

I'm curious what I could get yote for seeing how GV went

[brisk yew]

Yeah, I agree, so thank you Oclac

[ruby burrow]

I've got other places for focusing on either community or avatar/world creation.

[median basalt]

@sterile drift basically look at a mod the wrong way and you'll get banned.

[umbral reef]

Also i was not talking about the staff as regular helpers

[sterile drift]

Yea

[median basalt]

Not saying they weren't stirring but come on

A permaban for that

[brisk yew]

Well I wasn’t being aggressive, maybe I was towards someone was being aggressive at first. But as they say, treat others how you want to be treated

[pseudo stump]

[umbral reef]

You in the end managed to jump me talking to someone else about how i got insulted within this discord without acting being taken to me being an racist 😂

[ruby burrow]

That was hardly, "looking the wrong way".
It'd been near constant targeted negativity for days or weeks now.
That kind of background weakens your armour.

[plain ridge]

All we can do is sit back and hope for a return to the pre-November community

[umbral reef]

And its not like your reputation online is far from clean my friend-

[brisk yew]

Fine by me, I’m not interested in stuff outside of this, I’m only focused on this and this only

Kukuku

[umbral reef]

@plain ridge That one is gone- The dudes moved to other games, are in private communities or flat out left anything VRC related

[plain ridge]

Yeah, same here

[umbral reef]

Look at the content the game produces, its stale-- There is a reason people like Naggz are changing there channels

[median basalt]

Yeah, the game is getting stale due to the speed

[brisk yew]

I still support what the developers are doing with experiments

[vocal shard]

Bazinga

[plain ridge]

I'm looking forward to Udon though

[brisk yew]

Some will work, some don’t. That’s the point of really access

Early*

[sterile drift]

Knowing anything, I expect Udon to flop

At least at initial release.

[umbral reef]

Supporting the devs isnt the same as agreeing with them-
If you look up my chat history i defended them plenty of times on dumb things

[plain ridge]

I mean the first release of most things are going to have issues. Then it gets fixed as people find issues.

[umbral reef]

But i still do not agree on plenty of things and voice that also

[brisk yew]

On dumb things, yeah nice way to put it

[ruby burrow]

I'm expecting interesting new options for world creators, but also slightly wary about it opening potential new exploits.

[sterile drift]

@brisk yew Not everything devs do are automatically great

[brisk yew]

I never said that

But

[sterile drift]

You kinda are sending that message

[brisk yew]

I think experimenting with updates, even controversial ones

Is fine

Well that’s not my intention

Early access is the experimental phase of development

[sterile drift]

We all know that

[median basalt]

Experimenting is fine as long as they're willing to listen to feedback and go back on experiments

[umbral reef]

It does make them lose a lot of important users and those instead get replaced by people who use avatars from those preload websites

[brisk yew]

Will give it time. They can’t just roll out an update for a day, then just yank everything back immediately

[umbral reef]

Boomie

They did that

funfact of the day

[brisk yew]

Yeah but you can’t expect that with every update all the time

[opaque remnant]

vrchat hasn't been acting like an early access game for a while though. else they would still be doing the developer updates and actually be communicative

[sterile drift]

Wait they stopped doing dev updates

Ouf

[umbral reef]

Well they have not stopped doing them

[median basalt]

Not sure if they stopped, but they haven't been doing them often

[sterile drift]

Can't see that nice Chris Tup

[umbral reef]

But they have not done them in ages

[ruby burrow]

Going back in particular, is one of the more difficult aspects of this kinda thing. We've already seen the fallout of "going back" on even unintentional features.

[opaque remnant]

yes, stopped as in not having done any in a long time

[brisk yew]

Yeah

[sterile drift]

Give it like a month or two

[umbral reef]

It should not be this insanely hard if they build it right
Isnt that the whole point of them taking things slow? Setting up an good base that you wont code yourself into an corner

[sterile drift]

If they don't do anything

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure we talked about that

[brisk yew]

Well it’s not a simple case of flipping a switch.

[sterile drift]

We know they stopped the dev updates

[brisk yew]

Even if they do have a good base to work with, there’s so many different variables to take into consideration

[median basalt]

Pretty sure the dev updates are not canceled by any means

Did you all forget Tupper's new Chris model?

With RTX Off

[wary karma]

I miss oiled tupper

[median basalt]

Lol

[vocal shard]

aww

i missed the shit feast

[brisk yew]

Has anyone run into those lunatics trying to play victim on VRChat

[vocal shard]

i couldnt shit talk with all of you :(

[brisk yew]

I seem to keep running into the@

[sterile drift]

@vocal shard You missed G1 being yeeted

[vocal shard]

i know about that

and gv too

[brisk yew]

“You’re so mean!!”
“Block me then.”
“No!!!!!”

[vocal shard]

because that's fair i guess

memes ar enot welcome apparently

no fun allowed

[brisk yew]

Not sure why people have issues with the block button

[vocal shard]

because people are dumb most likely

[median basalt]

@brisk yew lol I had to deal with someone like that a while ago

Svelsien too

They claimed "block function doesn't help because they still get to talk to other people"

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Guess my most recent avatar with the paper isnt an meme anymore but an report form

[vocal shard]

yeah

[brisk yew]

Yeah I was running into this group of SJW chicks who got extremely whiny and were arguing with me just because I told an off-color joke

I told them to block me if they had an issue

[vocal shard]

you should start to hand the paper around tbh

[brisk yew]

They were like

NOOOO!!!

[umbral reef]

Well Rokk got harassed by that dudes his friends for it lul

[opaque remnant]

there's also the other side where people get extremely upset if you block them, getting their friends to harass you and even start vote kicks

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Its why i made it 😂

This game is perfect for it

[brisk yew]

That’s another confusing thing

“Don’t harass me! You’re too close!!!”
Well you can disable my avatar.
“NOOOOO!!!”

[tidal aspen]

how DARE you block me >:(((

[sterile drift]

HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THE BLOCK FEATURE

[brisk yew]

Everything is harassment with SJWs. You argue, it’s harassment, you stand too close, it’s harassment, enter the same room, it’s harassment, ask them to block you, it’s harassment

[vocal shard]

if you encounter someone like that

[umbral reef]

https://i.imgur.com/QXPEXwH.jpg You can request one of these on paper ingame from me btw
So if you ever need one yourself feel free to request it!

[vocal shard]

better to block them for your own sanity

[ruby burrow]

I'm normally relatively tolerant on blocking, partly just because I prefer to know what other people are seeing and hearing in the room. But I'd certainly block before getting into 1 on 1 disputes with anyone.

[brisk yew]

Yeah I ended up having to do that with those SJW chicks because they kept cursing up a storm and yelling at me and refusing to block me over a dumb joke I made

One said, I swear to god... she said “You can’t be saying stuff like that in the real world.”

[ruby burrow]

When I do block it's normally something I'm hoping or expecting everyone else will be blocking too. I tend to declare whether I block or mute, so others know I can't see it anymore.

[median basalt]

@umbral reef I saw that note, I love it

[brisk yew]

I do as well if I need to

[tidal aspen]

I only block people I don’t feel like dealing with, then it’s a big ol yikers when they others ask why I blocked them

[brisk yew]

Maybe next time I see that group of lunatics, I should tell an aristocrats joke

Lol

[ruby burrow]

I also sometimes warn annoying users that, "People will probably block you if you keep spamming that" or such. On the rare off chance they're just dense rather than malicious, and it's enough to stop them.

Sometimes they're just new desktop users that are legit clueless to how annoying they're being (especially to VR users).

[brisk yew]

Yeah I had a guy with autism actually follow me over for a while for like four hours and I didn’t want to be rude

And no I’m not saying that as an insult, he was autistic

[ruby burrow]

For four hours? You set portals for him or something? ^ ^

[brisk yew]

No he was on my list

[umbral reef]

Welp time to count to 100 so i wont say something...
As Im fairly sure it would give the admins a reason to bad me

[ruby burrow]

I also met someone the other day, that I think may have actually been autistic, but had a friend/family member seemingly acting as his caretaker/moderator.

[brisk yew]

They could have been role-playing since I know some people like to do that

They like the idea of a guardian watching over them

[umbral reef]

Wat

[sterile drift]

Could've been real

Never know

[ruby burrow]

Quite possibly just RP, but it was quite convincing.

[brisk yew]

People really get into that stuff

[ruby burrow]

He had an avatar with that blue, "Please be patient with me, I have autism" hat, along with the behaviour. And his friend specifically mentioned to us, that if he's getting too much to just let her know.

[vocal shard]

did i hear

rp

👀

[umbral reef]

If he was legit special i fucking love his friends/himself for adding that hat

Thats amazing

[sterile drift]

Oof

[ruby burrow]

Eventually she led him away. Seemed very similar to real life experiences I've had with such pairs.

[median basalt]

Lol

I can see that happening actually

I'm autistic myself, high-functioning though

This game has actually been great for my social anxiety and unease

[vocal shard]

Good shit

great to hear tbh

glad you like it.

[forest salmon]

yeah good to hear

[umbral reef]

To be fair- Im fairly sure i noticed someone has something alike fall in love with an robot IRL the past 2 weeks so....

[ruby burrow]

I have to assume this guy was on the lower functioning end of things. Was mainly just enjoying belly flopping around and making noises. Seemed to be having fun though.

[umbral reef]

Things like them playing video games is far from special

[vocal shard]

i didnt know rokk was autistic

oh my heck

I have hallucinations from an od attempt 5 years ago

they happen at night

it helped me get over my anxiety about new people too

but I just fall asleep on vrc and

I feel like they don't happen

and i speak english better and better

🤷

serendico-

[ruby burrow]

High functioning can be hard to detect. Especially in text.

[vocal shard]

anyways back to my shit

@median basalt pm me sometime.

[umbral reef]

high-functioning autism isnt really a thing anyway-
Its more an way to make clear how bad the autism is

Its more to make clear someone has an form of autism without being mentally handicapped by it (so above ~80 IQ)

[median basalt]

@vocal shard not sure what about, but sure 😄

[vocal shard]

rokk getting some actions i see

[iron seal]

i saw this 1 cutie auty and i went AWWWtism

[vocal shard]

l e n n y

[umbral reef]

@iron seal Sorry you had to go awwwwtism for me

[ruby burrow]

I've got another friend in game who has a different mental condition, though I forget which exactly. Easy to get along with, but always seemed to have a quirky "hard to pin down" personality. They eventually decided to let me know they had it. I wouldn't have figured it out otherwise.

[sterile drift]

Invalid user

[umbral reef]

(Its an joke btw, i just need to praise my ego, idc i just listed myself as an auty)

@ruby burrow If i may ask, what did he have?

[vocal shard]

squishy forgot

@median basalt Just anything

I'd like to get to know you that's all.

🤷

[ruby burrow]

I'll try to remember with google or something. I've honestly forgotten the name. ^ ^;

[vocal shard]

dw im not gay LMAO

your usb cord on your oculus is loose, that's why it's not turning on @vocal shard i got the same thing

my pfp prolly scares ppl

[umbral reef]

Well, listing the symptoms means i might be able to guess

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard Thanks

ur welcome

I'll try using a diff one

no no

just plug it in tighter

oh okay

its the one in ur oculus

ya

[ruby burrow]

Ah, it was Aspergers. I had to look it up back when the mentioned it.

[umbral reef]

Ayyy

[vocal shard]

wtf is aspergers

[ruby burrow]

Oh, and it is a form of autism actually. My mistake.

[vocal shard]

It's not working still

[umbral reef]

Mild form of autism tl;dr

[vocal shard]

hmm

^

[median basalt]

@vocal shard fair enough. I'll do that some time. Thanks

[vocal shard]

check the ones behind your pc

[umbral reef]

Its mainly with the communication that they have problems

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard I have my pc backwards

on my desk

ok

well

is the oculus light orange

if its black then heck

it doesn't light up

ik the signs

:/

it's done.

oof

sad..

but thank you

a lot.

ur welcome

i almost broke my cord actually

from kicking someone (ingame) lmao

lol oof