summer is never fun
#vrchat-general-2
ruby needle
placid umbra
It's passed quickly, but I'm totally fine with that. Way too hot
ruby needle
to hawt 
crisp moth
Everyone here stays inside their rooms and plays video games lol
placid umbra
vocal shard
that's the good stuff
polar elm
Its safe inside, i get to head pat anime
crisp moth
yay
tacit plank
yay
kind folio
1070 ti is probably worlds cheaper than leg tracking lol
if I were to get full body it would be around $1000.
vocal shard
DESKTOPPERS CAN CROUCH NOW
kind folio
yep
vocal shard
what are us vrgods going to have left for our own?
they took the crouching
and the aiming
what now
crisp moth
lol
crisp moth
gotta help to crippled (desktop users)
quiet prawn
This week has been the most unbearable in terms of heat.
tacit plank
Because all I can do to communicate is nod at various speeds
frank pawn
I just started up the game and a screen showed for a split second written 'WARNING, THESE ACTIONS CAN LEAD TO BANS' I didn't get the chance to read it though.
small wing
For all my peeps making vrchat content get this NOW https://www.humblebundle.com/games/unity-bundle?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_3
15 dollars for a crap ton of unity assets
im geeking out
median basalt
A lot of those assets aren't usable though
small wing
@rough pulsar you would appreciate this actually because gaia is included
median basalt
For the game
small wing
@median basalt You can remove the scripts and use anything just fine.
im talking about the assets, not the code stuff.
median basalt
Yeah, fair enough
All the models and stuff
But stuff like the flow thing won't be of any use
median basalt
Sounds are nice
small wing
and i might actually use flow so its a plus for me
because i plan on doing my own game stuff
The particle pack looked neato too
cant wait to use all this in my worlds
best day ever
quiet prawn
everyone is linking that bundle today xD
quiet prawn
Yeah.
small wing
i literally called in my bank to see if i had a decent amount of cash laying around because i dont have a job currently just to snag it.
cause its insane for humble to be doing this.
cold talon
wait it has flow?
median basalt
I'd like to dial my arguments from a few weeks ago about custom animators back a bit
median basalt
I had no idea that the game used the AvatarTPoseController to determine bend targets
cold talon
median basalt
I found a post by hackspanner on Snep's FBT fix thread in vrcat
karmic talon
Wooo I know nothing about any of this
median basalt
So I can see why custom animators would break the IK still
vocal shard
friend of mine (that im trying to put this together for) unfortunately still has to buy a kb + m and a monitor since they dont have one lying around and neither do i
they're trying their best to keep it under a $1000 for just gettin the pc running
umbral reef
Do they have any parts they can reuse?
umbral reef
As VR and budget does not really work great... And dam
vocal shard
the best i can do for them is an 80gb hard drive
80 gb o.o
more than likely we're going to snoop around for someone reselling a windows key
modern sand
That still holds windows, better than nothing
ruby needle
240gb SSD's a really really affordable these days
currently amazon hs the sandisk 480GB in germany for 64β¬ even
vocal shard
besides that tho... it's not a bad rig. 1060 6gb will handle vr fine. not too familiar with the ryzens, so..
umbral reef
Ven- If you only care about the msg of windows complaining
You can buy (unfair) cheaper keys
vocal shard
π
i think i remember hearing from somewhere that higher ram speed is better for ryzen cpus
umbral reef
They often cost around 20$ and work 
But im not suggesting you do anything illegal like use those keys, just wanted to inform you about to so you dont get them π
median basalt
@vocal shard that is true
ruby needle
to some degree at least
median basalt
I wish Linux supported VR and games properly
Or rather, if games and VR supported Linux
karmic talon
Idk if linux could handle vr
umbral reef
Wat
median basalt
Why not? If VR supported Linux properly
karmic talon
Ok maybe the other way around yea
vocal shard
ok that makes more sense now manus
umbral reef
isnt SteamVR already working on some linux versions
And some games because of that also?
karmic talon
Hm
Well I guess I don't really know a lot about linux
Or the capabilities of a lof of stuff really...
Hm
vocal shard
linux is basically one big ol' open source operating system
its completely customizable from beginning to finish
karmic talon
Tbh that's kind of worrying for an IT student
vocal shard
and there are like
more than hundreds of dozens of linux versions
ubuntu being the most popular and easy to use
karmic talon
Ik it's complete open source and stuff
heavy narwhal
For some reason when I log into VRChat it keeps saying "Unauthorized" When I try logging in
karmic talon
Just not what it's exactly capable of
umbral reef
@heavy narwhal Copy paste your email and password into the boxes
karmic talon
Yknow come to think of it
heavy narwhal
@umbral reef Thank you my friend
karmic talon
Idk if my school is even very good with IT
ruby burrow
There's some pinned messages going around VRC related discords I'm in, about new rules/enforcement regarding the poly limit.
Trying to tell what's rumour or not rumour.
karmic talon
Since it wants use to download software from apple onto windows
umbral reef
Also- Manus if you want to try out things and even run robots or alike
I highly suggest getting an RaspberryPi or an Arduino and just install an linux version on it
karmic talon
That I know actually
umbral reef
@ruby burrow If its not in the loggs or announced here its bullshit
karmic talon
I actually own an Arduino oof
umbral reef
And you will need to learn most advance things about IT yourself
Schools can only learn the basics most of the time
Or really specific things
vocal shard
arduinos are fun
karmic talon
True
vocal shard
i bought one and put it in a cup of water
umbral reef
Y @vocal shard
glass yacht
hmm, I cant get into vr chat.. is anyone else having this issue?
umbral reef
@glass yacht What is borked
karmic talon
Why would you put it in a cup of water
glass yacht
it starts and logs in with my account but then its just a void
vocal shard
well
why not
you know how people just buy things and put them in glass jars?
well i wanted to do that
umbral reef
Thats not an valid answer 
glass yacht
i have no hacky stuff either
karmic talon
Also maybe the whole Arduino and raspberry pi thing should go to #general-media ?
Just a hunch
umbral reef
I deny it as an answer
vocal shard
well thats my final answer
umbral reef
@glass yacht Is it trying to load in a world or not?
vocal shard
slams down onto button
glass yacht
its sitting at the 0 - 100 % screen
umbral reef
Reee whats the command again
glass yacht
not doing anything
vocal shard
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5226 users in VRChat currently
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
umbral reef
Simple stuff with video proof #moderation-reports
karmic talon
Press the button for reporting
vocal shard
moderation@vrchat.com
umbral reef
Else submit your outputlog or other proof towards moderation@vrchat.com
vocal shard
more specifically where do i report crash avatars NotLikeThis
karmic talon
Press it
umbral reef
Make sure to give your outputlog also for crashers and alike
vocal shard
ah!
umbral reef
Just submit the output log, any names you can guess, the local time when it happened towards moderation@vrchat.com then
The outputlog does change once you restart the game so copy paste it towards an safe spot (not the same folder where its listed) or email it before restarting.
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
ruby burrow
The in game report button is generally less effective than a properly detailed submitted report.
Although you can always try both.
ruby burrow
Wat? '-'
vocal shard
waht
karmic talon
Like the physical one
vocal shard
the one in the menu?
karmic talon
That you have on your desk
ruby burrow
Desk? What kind of poor unfortunate soul plays this game sitting at a desk? :v
karmic talon
The more it's broken, the more effect your report is
vocal shard
nagzz
karmic talon
I do squishy
ruby burrow
Heh
karmic talon
Because my pc can't take vr
floral aspen
he may play at a desk but he at least has VR
umbral reef
Owshit Philip DeFranco even talked about the rap devil song 
π
glass yacht
i deleted the vrchat vr chat thing and its still doing it, I should mention I was connected fine just before this happened\
floral aspen
what's the rap devil song?
umbral reef
Tidus lemme rant in #general-media
ruby burrow
A little extra note on the previous topic...
There's no need to guess at names when making a report. If you have even just a few letters of their nametag, you can just use the search function in your logs to find their full exact name.
Copy paste it right out of there onto the email. Trying to report someone without an accurate name is unlikely to help much.
Also, I'll just keep mentioning this since it's an easy mistake... but don't accidentally send the old logs from the previous location. Just delete those to be sure you never mix them up, and they won't appear again.
karmic talon
What?
south mist
if you dont have all fingers mapped you cant crouch and all you can really control is your arms
karmic talon
Oh
rough pulsar
Well that's just how the IK system is setup. No fingers mapped = arm-only IK.
fast bronze
is that only due to needing some ref of the wrist rot
vocal shard
With the new update to VRchat did any one get to even see what that one list come up say like with yellow/gold bold words saying NSFW and then it was gone the next wasn't able to read it all
ruby burrow
Those are just general information things that will show with each loading screen now.
vocal shard
i wanted to read if but it was gone too fast
ruby burrow
The initial loading screen is normally too short to read them, which has been confusing a few people for a moment.
nocturne ibex
Is anyone else having issues with the VRChat SDK not working at all? I'm trying to upload a new avatar here and it stops at "Futureproofing your content"
ruby burrow
Soon as you load any other world, you'll have plenty of time.
nocturne ibex
then when I restart I get stuck with the "clear cache and player prefs" bug
ruby burrow
I've not tried uploading anything yet, but there is a new SDK to consider.
nocturne ibex
I'm running it already
ruby burrow
Dunno then. ._.
ruby burrow
Has anyone got that page regarding the developers stance on API modification?
The new warning messages on the loading screen have got people scared that they need to delete all their avatars before logging into the game. <_>
nocturne ibex
I thought they were fine with it as long as the modification wasn't to annoy or be malicious?
I know that's the original stance they had with the VRCSDK
ruby burrow
Yeah, that's the page I'm talking about. I'm trying to find it.
worldly gate
@nocturne ibex i haven't had any problems with the new sdk
vocal shard
you arent supposed to change the sdk, they just "tolerate" it
they won't actively hint you for it but if they clearly see that you have an model with overexaggerated polys then you gonna get beaned
worldly gate
been using it for the past few hours
trim hamlet
I believe it was posted in announcements a while back~
nocturne ibex
@worldly gate lucky. I can't upload anything at all with it. It shows the "futureproofing your content" window, then when that goes I'm back where I was in the editor... and when I restart Unity it bricks the SDK and I get the "clear cache and player prefs" bug
willow nimbus
@trim hamlet hello loli give papa hug β€
trim hamlet
ΰ² _ΰ²
mighty galleon
-pats snep-
nocturne ibex
I almost forgot to mention this also happens on two totally different systems because I tried with my laptop and the same thing happened -_-
vocal shard
If it does the same thing on two different computers, I guess it could be: 1. Network related 2. Account related 3. File problems if they were copied straight from Computer A to Computer B
@nocturne ibex trying deleting the sdk then go into unity let it calculate hases etc, then some of the ask may still be there delete it in the file explorer then let it calculate agian. Then repimport that works for me
nocturne ibex
I'll give it another shot... I'm even gonna try a different avatar just to rule that out
as for network/account issues, I'm streaming so I have at least a stable network connection and I haven't done anything wo warrant an upload ban and the SDK says I'm able to publish...
WELP. that worked... not, I got the "clear cache and playerprefs" bug again after removing and reimporting the SDK.
this is beyond annoying -_-
turbid agate
When the new loading bar is too fast to read the tips 
vocal shard
π¦ π― β 
turbid agate
Halloween π€
slim temple
πΊ π»
indigo fern
πΈ π΅ π΄ π΄ π° πΎ
vocal shard
I can't see any avatar anywhere in vrchat.
I just logged onto VRChat and saw a big IMPORTANT but only for like half a second cause I then loaded into my home world
anyone know what it says or got that important message?
polar bone
@vocal shard Important: Stay inside because it is now SPOOPY HOURS
vocal shard
It's potentially the message about those ingame interactive screens not working anymore. Nothing too serious if it's just that.
oh
it was the new loading screens
it said something about NSFW
I didn't read it in time though
vague sequoia
It just says no NSFW avatars in public or friends+ worlds.
Canny feature request to get rid of the worlds from the social and avatar menus:
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/get-rid-of-worlds-from-the-avatar-and-social-menus
crisp turtle
Would anyone know why it seems my vrchat is locked at 60fps?
crisp turtle
Where can you turn that off?
vocal shard
I don't recommend you do
crisp turtle
I have a 144 fps monitor
vocal shard
you haven't got it on 144 then
vsync locks to your monitor's active hz
If you have a Nvidia card, right click the desktop, Nvidia control panel, change resolution, and make sure you have selected "PC 1920x1080" (you have to scroll down the list) and make sure refresh rate is set to 144hz
Well I assume it's a 1080p screen anyway
vocal shard
how ya doin
stark coral
is it just me or when join worlds it says there are people when joining but no people in are in the world?
upbeat dust
Those might be people yet to update the game.
Or, in a less likely case, those might be people who has you blocked.
vocal shard
i just found out that desktop users can crouch and lie down
junior bough
c z
still lark
75?
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
spice patrol
So anyone use any other vr headsets besides Vive and rift?
empty iris
i will use pimax when it comes out
spice patrol
Never heard of that one
vocal shard
hey sooo we can crotch with c and prone with z....was this added recently
empty iris
yep
spice patrol
Indeed
empty iris
π π
Does anyone know why cant we have normal name plates and availability to upload avatars for Steam accounts? I have too much friends on my Steam acc and I dont want to just re add them on to the VRC one. p.s.: the reason i didnt make a vrc acc right away cuz the website didnt even let me to
next cave
Holy shit.
This Bonix Dungeon under the new maps is doing SO well.
208 people and it just came out.
It's really good.
worthy swan
Will check it out then tomorrow
halcyon ingot
What kind of map is it?
tranquil vapor
sooooo what gives? i cant load into my world since the new update. like i comissioned it
worthy swan
Hey look another one
Basically something broke
Again
Albeit this is an assumption
But a pretty safe one in my eyes
light wedge
hello i try open vrchat but wired srceen. for steam. how fix it?
tranquil vapor
Any idea when the world issue will be fixed? Itβs a tad bit inconvenient.
sonic verge
okay i like the new load screen, the sounds makes me happy
vocal shard
what does it mean by deleting everything within C:\Users%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json? do u delete the whole files within it or the things INSIDE the files only?
raven silo
@vocal shard just delete the VRCHTTPCache folder
it remove all the worlds you download
raven silo
guess they be spaming it
sonic verge
in some cases probably
people tend to sit on standing play so this is probably a bit of a remark for desktops
sage pewter
Did they do something with the IK? My custom idle animation's feet stay where they should now
Or maybe it's a side-effect of using desktop crouch and prone
median basalt
@spice patrol some people use WMR
@sage pewter they changed a few things about idle animations. Most notably, they broke idle animations that have movement in them
inner cape
median basalt
They did break their own, I'm pretty sure
lean coyote
I cant log in to my vrchat account it keeps saying unauthorized
sonic verge
its also kind of stupid that they add a dot at the middle, this isnt really a fps shooter isnt it
median basalt
I don't like it either
true sky
It can be toggled off
sonic verge
do tell
true sky
It's not a required, but helps for testing worlds
sonic verge
whats the toggle button tho?
waiiiit its not toggle hud is it? how am i suppose to know if my mic is on now lol
median basalt
Yep
true sky
Desktop users now have a reticle in the middle of the screen to help show what they're pointing at. This reticle can be toggled off in the System menu, and will hide when you press Ctrl-H to hide the other UI elements
It's in the changelogs ;)
median basalt
But it does hide mic icon
Not a huge issue with push to talk
It's important in VR because we have voice detection
Well, "voice detection"
It's really just based on how loud you are
true sky
If you are a whisper, it won't pick up well
indigo fern
Whisper louder? π€
chrome grotto
Have a wonderful day today everyone 
vocal shard
Thanks again shana
vocal shard
hey so i got a popup or tip from when i was loading into a world for vrchat
and it said nsfw avatars are allowed in friends+ worlds and lower
is that true
cause i just kicked a person in my friends+ world
cause he had tidder
south viper
Ah is this what I heard earlier... but I thought the person was saying the opposite π€
vocal shard
sooooooo did i kick someone who was innocent
errant vault
Maybe
vocal shard
or something else
south viper
Maybe, but if itβs your instance you get to choose whatβs allowed in it surely
vocal shard
like i dont mind but i was host of the server. so i was thinking, "oh if i allowed this, i could get ban so nope"
im hoping i didnt do an oops
did i do an oops
median basalt
First of all, you can kick anyone for any reason you want
Second, allowing someone in your instance with a rule-breaking avatar does not get you banned
Third, the rules actually consider Friends+ instances as "public", which is kinda BS because Invite+ is basically the same thing, especially if people have a blue status
errant vault
I can't decide, new VRCHAT update or play the new Dead Frontier 2 +_-
Heads or tails, play df2 (heads) *flips coin
hushed isle
Last night i found that VRChat doesn't allow me to go most of my favorite worlds... It loads the new world about 3 times then loads the private home this is annoying. And yup the new loading screen is... Well worse
errant vault
The world's need to update or you should clear your vrchat cache
My coin landed between the tiles +_-
I guess I'm playing both
I like the new loading screens because it's new to look at +_-
hushed isle
And may i ask another question? That's the reason why some players appear only as red transparent generic avatars?
vocal shard
no
either the avatar is broken or the server scuffed during the upload
or you have no more space left on your HDD/SDD
hushed isle
I have plenty space on my 1TB HDD
I even altered virtual memory from 3GB to 8GB in windows 10
I think i need to clear VRC's chache
hazy galleon
uhhhh Nothing dangerous about clearing the game Cache tbh
errant vault
Watermarks, watermarks everywhere +_-
worldly gate
to clear the cache i just hose down the inside of my computer with a pressure washer
works like a charm
umbral reef
To be fair it could clean it well
And even work after
Just need loottsss of waiting
worldly gate
also instead of fans i just put live bees in my case so when they buzz their wings it creates airflow
umbral reef
Smart
errant vault
You are genius
umbral reef
But should give them some food tho
errant vault
Whatever you do, don't tape the beehive's exit because they stopped working a few days later +_-
umbral reef
And gotta run the pc 24/7 else they will not get enough air to survive
worldly gate
ah yes i have to wear a full bee suit when iβm in my house but the benefits outweigh the cons
free bee electricity
they have yet to learn how to use the hamster wheel i rigged up for them
why wonβt they all bunch together to form into the silhouette of a hamster and run on the damn thing like i saw on the television?
umbral reef
Make sure your cache isnt full
verbal belfry
where can i check the cache?
umbral reef
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
umbral reef
Can also try clearing it just to be sure- If you redownload everyting again anyway its not bad that your cache needs it again
umbral reef
Well- Let me ask first- Does it happen every day or you just ahve to redownload the same map in like ~a months time
If its the second it cna be because the world got updated
verbal belfry
every fifth game restart
+-
lmao
vrchat folder weights 21gb
@umbral reef thanks
vocal shard
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
obsidian forge
Hey guys, haven't played in a few months.. tried go log in and it's unauthorized? Any idea why?
umbral reef
Copy paste the email and password into the boxes
floral aspen
try resetting your password
obsidian forge
Okay ig I have to do that on the website not in game log in. I'll try
hushed isle
Is VRC actually deLEWDed now or what?
halcyon ingot
what pun?
hushed isle
Deluded and delewded is not the same
vocal shard
that feeling when youre bleeding out and no1 cares
should probably wrap it and head to the hospital or something or not
probably should have put down something so now theres a mess
halcyon ingot
if you are bleeding heavilly then ye get medical attention
raven silo
@dreamy trout if they catch you more like can get banned
it against the rules every sense i was here. if you let people hack sdk it just bring it more problems
vocal shard
modify the sdk if you want.
Just don't go screaming everywhere that you are doing it.
Also don't come to bitch around if you got banned for it
velvet kite
I mean it they just hand us the sdk
Yheyre basically begging us to modify it
Not that I would ever condone such actions
*disclaimer
grand thistle
they can prevent modded sdk uploads if they do a server side check
velvet kite
Seriously, I could do it in like 5 seconds. Gibe money
grand thistle
it's like why not check if it's modded before the upload
and that you can't used modded sdk for uploads it will give an error server side checks are realy usefull
velvet kite
I just take it as the "advanced users only" toggle, and it doesnt matter as long as you're not being blatant or obnoxious with it.
grand thistle
a weird thing is a lot of people who make moddels from scratch are above the poly limit and then they force the users to use modded sdk's as edditing them will destroy them
even on vrctraders
raven silo
vrctrades dont let modded sdk you get banned from that discord
for that
plus ghoster find out you be gone from that discord for good
grand thistle
i know people who bought moddels from people from vrchat traders and they are double the poly limit
velvet kite
Is it models that use the molded sdk
Or the moded sdk itself
Because I know a lot dont allow you to give them the altered SDK. But the model is fine
ruby needle
creators on vrct have to fit their commissions withing the official rules
if creators go over and it gets found out they get punished for that
grand thistle
it's the moddel that they give are over the limit
velvet kite
Yeesh
grand thistle
while the moddels are requested for vrchat
but i don't remember all the details as it has been a while
vocal shard
one thing about the buying model though
most of them doesn't come with the blender file
dammit
raven silo
just talk to @tame lagoon @grand thistle
he mostly like tell what i told you
you get banned people find out
tame lagoon
Hello you called?
raven silo
vrctrades you banned people mod sdk
tame lagoon
English?
raven silo
when someone make commisson they use mod sdk if you find out you remove from your discord
tacit plank
If you buy a model, why does it have to be VRChat compatible?
tacit plank
Models are universal
tacit plank
Not only for VRChat. By making it disallowed to send models above 20k polygons, they're just limiting people for the sake of it
Well, that's not hard to do
raven silo
it could server space, loading time maybe reason they limit 20k
vocal shard
pretty sure you would have to load my hidden model as well
which can be over 100k and doesn't even count as a poly for the sdk
tacit plank
What do you mean server space? Models are traded outside of VRchat
Which is my point
raven silo
talk about vrchat
when you get it in
if you want model be made for somthing else need ask then for other program
not buy vrctrade model think it going be high polygon
pure musk
So october is right around the corner. Are you guys gunna be doing halloween stuff for vrchat like last year?
raven silo
i think they do every year
unkempt swan
awesome dungeon world
raven silo
vrpill maybe post some near octuber
pure musk
Its time to get spooky
unkempt swan
525 players
halcyon citrus
uwu spooki time
raven silo
disable halloween world name tag
vocal shard
so tell me, what are the the reasons of limiting the poly to 20k when you need to load my 100k hidden model?
raven silo
loading time what i think reason for now
how long take somone slow internet load your model
tacit plank
VRChat models doesn't exist, .fbx does, and it's not limited to vrchat
raven silo
put you limit in vrchat 20k
vocal shard
i mean i can upload a hidden model with whatever poly i want, legally. And you will still have to load it even though i make it inactive
raven silo
if you dont want lose ploygon ask them no reduce but your model wont accpet for vrchat
tacit plank
VRchat limit is 20k, but if you're paying a lot of money, why not get a proper version of the avatar too?
Could get both
But right now, it seems that you will get banned for it, even though you can find 20k+ poly models all over the internet, and bypassing the sdk is common
grand thistle
all the moddels on deviantart are 50k+
raven silo
it still rules but you get caught they can banned
it just base if they going do it
most thing they worry about hacker client right now
grand thistle
the hackers probably have a way to get insider information and they probably have not a lot to do people who hack on vrchat
tacit plank
That's my point, it's a rule made for no reason other than discourage model sales
raven silo
bypass 20k limit is low raider thing. high raider them client hacker
but if somone get caught doing both they can banned
it up to vrchat
vocal shard
The 20k limit might be re-evaluated someday. For the moment, got to respect the 20k.
raven silo
alot models who make 20k models make good looking ones
there some creator want a challege
tacit plank
The client hacks just use VRChat features that it's not meant to
undone belfry
Drag, you can easily find decent models on deviant art around 3k-19k. Just don't expect them to be mmds.
vocal shard
spare me from the challenge
grand thistle
if you have good texures polygons don't realy matter
tacit plank
They're not really impressive
grand thistle
i download all my moddels from japanese moddel sites they are goodand low poly
tacit plank
19k? It might look okay, but making amazing models is very difficult at that limit
pure musk
If you really want the extra detail you can create a retopo mesh with normal maps. But I dont really think there are alot of people on here who know how to do that.
vocal shard
the point is, i had a 5k model, and stuffed a total of 200k poly models into it. The loading time increased.
undone belfry
Heck, even a good shader that takes advantage of your diffuse/spec/normals and any other added bits if the model has it can really bring out it's potential even if low poly.
vocal shard
so i guess it loads your inactive models too
pure musk
200k is kind of ridiculous
vocal shard
it is for testing purpose
tacit plank
200k is maybe 3-4MB?
grand thistle
most AAA games use 200k poly things
raven silo
but they make engine can handle that
grand thistle
for them it's normal to have high poly things
raven silo
unity engine not like them engine
undone belfry
A 200k poly model would take me, on my internet on a good day, maybe about 10-20mins to load.
vocal shard
for now i hide my over 20k models body mesh, and make it active in an animation
tacit plank
Top-quality Skyrim models are great, and I refuse to believe you can recreate them without going way past 20k polies
vocal shard
so the poly limit is kind of pointless
pure musk
You have to imagine all the other people who have to take up polygon space too. One person at 20k is fine, you start getting other people with the same ammount with more materials, performance starts to overload.
grand thistle
skyrim original is under 20k
raven silo
Garret able to do it
tacit plank
Original sucks compared to mods though
vocal shard
i didn't even have to mod the sdk to get over the poly limit
undone belfry
Well, the poly limit isn't pointless it is there for a good reason.
tacit plank
My world has 1.5M verts, it runs so fast that it breaks my FPS counter and goes to 110 on Desktop
grand thistle
the moddels are okayish tho not the best but not so bad
ruby needle
worlds are not comparable to player models
raven silo
world stay in one spot avatar travel
ruby needle
that is less the thing
pure musk
Also different players can have a multitude of shaders too. Worlds usuualy only have a few
raven silo
they need reduce the material to less 5
tacit plank
True, still, my world has more polygons than any world filled with people
raven silo
material biggest problem for performance
ruby needle
it's totally fine for worlds
raven silo
best reduce material in world to save fps drops
ruby needle
oh ofc
median basalt
Increasing the poly limit from 20k to 40k should not have any adverse effects and would give us massively more freedom IMO
20k is pretty low all things considered
grand thistle
i think they did it to make sure when it wasn't a big game to not have it laggy
median basalt
They might not have known the things we know today, such as the impact of materials and dynamic bone
grand thistle
and most people didn't have a ton of effects
median basalt
@tacit plank The main impact from polygons is the vertices being moved by bones (and shape keys to some extent)
Worlds have regular mesh renderers that don't have this issue
Rather than skinned mesh renderers
They can also be optimized and batched in many ways
Polys do matter which is why there has to be a limit of some sort
tacit plank
They don't matter much though
According to the devs, you can't have 50 people in a room without lag even if they're all white boxes
So it will always get slightly laggy past 20 people like it does now
grand thistle
a long time ago i found something on a forum said by tupper i think it said 20k poly and 7 meshes is worse then 40k polygons and 1 a 3 meshes
median basalt
Yeah, that's because of the networking and voice
It's even worse on humanoids due to the IK.
IK takes quite a bit of performance
tacit plank
It's already a bit laggy with 20 people now
grand thistle
also compressing your texure atlas makes your moddel load quicker
median basalt
When we are at the dev meetups I'm usually pretty okay. It's quite interesting to see how much difference optimized avatars make.
Compared to the public 50-material 200 dynamic bone MMD's that people put out
raven silo
less material and dyanmic bone better peformance world have
grand thistle
why do you even need a lot of dynamic bones they are cool but some are useless
median basalt
Because people are lazy and don't merge their bones.
tacit plank
If you double the polygons, FPS might drop by 10?
grand thistle
i have a moddel that doesn't have a dynamic bone on the skirt and i don't care about that
median basalt
Although I think people go overboard when it comes to merging hair bones
@tacit plank it's less than that I think lmao
tacit plank
That's less difference than a mirror, too
grand thistle
dynamic bones in the skirt makes it worse for me but it's mayby becouse its short but still
median basalt
Polys affect performance but an increase from 20k to 40k might not even be noticeable
grand thistle
i heard from harcuri back when i had him added that cubed shaders uses 2 draw calls per polygon
grand thistle
it was usefull at one time
vocal shard
my model is around 40k, uploaded using an unmodded sdk
raven silo
@grand thistle news cube shader should have better performance
vocal shard
and i am sure as hell they couldn't ban me for that
umbral reef
There are plenty of unoptimized ways you can 'legally' go over the SDK... so
grand thistle
i don't use cube shader anymore i found a better shader for me
raven silo
turn off game obj will bypass it
grand thistle
the collor is way more vibrant but i don't even rember when i got this shader
tacit plank
Where can I get the newest cubed's?
still lark
The GitHub repo
raven silo
@tacit plank https://vrcat.club/threads/cubeds-toon-shaders.165/
tacit plank
Thanks
raven silo
TCL been update it
errant merlin
Has anyone been to the Blonix Dungeon?
tacit plank
Newest is from 2/2018?
errant merlin
So I got to the part which has three large gates with the fountain, the one on the right leads to an infinite cylinder loop, and I went around it 5 whole times, instantly knew it was a loop when I found the torch and weapon that someone dropped when they died, but no matter how many times I went around it, nothing different happened..
weird.. not sure how the 510 players who are in the same world are doing
raven silo
@tacit plank Version 0.25 Jul 20
Release Notes:
Split Flat Lit Toon Lite into separate shaders for Opaque, Cutout, and Transparent to fix transparency issues due to the Render Queue set by the custom inspector not persisting after upload to VRChat.
Fixed weird ghostly images caused by Flat Lit Toon Lite shaders' AddPass using "FlatLitToonCore.cginc" instead of "FlatLitToonCoreLite.cginc".
Nice
Well to be fair, the render queue is far from the only reason why Cubed's transparency doesn't work
Unless that has also been fixed
Using transparency has always been possible with Standard, Noenoe, or the unofficial transparent version of Cubed's
Or just about any shader really
grand thistle
the shader i use you can see the menu on
it's usefull tho for the friends list but weird anyway
median basalt
Oh, that must be Real toon then.
I'm not sure why that happens, it might be a stencil thing. Menus often use stencils to smoothly hide stuff
errant merlin
We should really get the option to simplify name tags
median basalt
Nametags should probably get looked at anyway. They seem to take up an excessive amount of drawcalls
errant merlin
If there's 6 people standing in front of a mirror really snug and close to each other, it's impossible to read or see anyone's name
ruby needle
if you dont like nameplates, turn em off 
median basalt
They don't want to turn them off entirely though
We should be able to have them on without it being an extra 3-5 draw calls per player
Unless I'm misunderstanding how they work. I heard from someone that every element has to be drawn individually, which means a draw call for the text, one for every icon, etc.
tacit plank
Will I get banned if I use a helba avatar?
.hack character
She's a hacker in the anime
pure musk
As long as its not explicitly sexual its perfectly fine.
tacit plank
well, the kanna gang avatar would get you banned some time ago
pure musk
Wasnt kanna gang like a raider group? I wasnt round when all that was going on
tacit plank
A few people with the kanna avatar hacked, the majority just got banned for having the skin
undone belfry
Is that a serious question?
mighty galleon
<.<
undone belfry
I mean, the occupation of the character from a game/anime imo shouldn't matter as long as the context doesn't break the rules.
Like someone uploading full on dismemberment and really detailed gore. would be an issue
mighty galleon
hi ain
hushed isle
So the sucubbus avatars are not recommended in public worlds?
undone belfry
@hushed isle Would depend on clothing tbh
tacit plank
They're usually fine, just not officially I guess
hushed isle
Delicate bodyparts need to be covered i presume
tacit plank
Ash what is your profile picture?
undone belfry
uh.
undone belfry
A very sexually suggestive pukie pukie
cold talon
π€ well there are worlds with succubus avatars in them, which were approved by devs
oh chat scrolled up 
nvm carry on
tacit plank
Succubus are always relevant
karmic talon
isn't the plural succubi?
pure musk
I think succubuss in it of them selves arent sexual.
karmic talon
also hello yes I am here now too
undone belfry
I think they are more focused on stuff that is offensive context and nudity. If the parts of the body that should be covered are then i don't think its an issue really.
hushed isle
They are part of the anime world π
mighty galleon
caffeine
karmic talon
ah, caffeine
undone belfry
Worlds that have stuff in them manus, many people make avatar worlds with such themes as anime avatars.
hushed isle
Like in "To love Ru" anime
karmic talon
ik people do that in avatar worlds
and uh
I guess they are part of anime in that sense
undone belfry
whats this? Sean already has restraining orders here too?
undone belfry
I don't even want to imagine what you're like inside VRC lol.
mighty galleon
inside vrchat im usually just standing and talking
not really doing anything b/c im mostly too bored
i said i wont pat you anymore xD
besides in vrchat i cant pat anyone b/c i dont have hands
well my avatar doesnt have any hands
doesnt like hands on my avatars
undone belfry
instead sean can now, crouch and prone on everyone.
undone belfry
but you just dont move?
mighty galleon
i do
undone belfry
oh.
mighty galleon
but one hand is cut off my avatar and the other one is covered by a puppet
so i literally cant pat anyone
undone belfry
i see.
mighty galleon
besides i give people personal space in vrchat
undone belfry
Anyone who invades my space gets smacked with the Krnielk....
mighty galleon
only thing i actually really do is ask people for high fives while holding out my stub
mostly b/c i think its funny b/c dad jokes
vocal shard
Without context... That sounds weird...
vocal shard
However you take it... It sounds weird. I didn't actually mean that. but whatever
vocal shard
I've known you for how long Sean.... My name...
mighty galleon
ohhh
i never looked at that
well, i only ever looked at james, never the other part
...?
no
im american
vocal shard
Lol. Sean be lernin' today
mighty galleon
we never call anyone by their last name unless its an apointment
well ive never seen anyone refer to anyone by last name
even in hospitals and work
unless its "dr. something"
welll
ive NEVER seen a co-worker refer to another co worker by their last name
we even called out store manager by their first name
umbral reef
You never called your teacher by your last name?
mighty galleon
reece are you on the east coast or west coast? b/c that might be a factor
not really oclac
i just refered to them as teacher
umbral reef
"So mr. Teacher, i need help with something"
undone belfry
I call everyone via first name, even at work. It's due to being less confusing.
undone belfry
I mean, yelling someone's last name where there is siblings with a room with loud machinery is kind of silly lol.
mighty galleon
but yeah reece
even at work, no one ever knew anyoens last name
not even the store managers last name xD
undone belfry
My entire name is on my hard hat at work lol. Same for 90% of who works with me.
mighty galleon
well people also mispronounce my last name so it'd be hard to know when they're actually calling me
undone belfry
Try having a silent letter or two in your name, always funny.
undone belfry
half the time people look at my last name, when they try to prounce it they sound like they're having a stroke.
mighty galleon
ouch
undone belfry
because of the 2 silent letters
undone belfry
iits fun watching people try to even pronounce my normal online alias.
hushed isle
It's like with squirrel
mighty galleon
they always call me whitmore
distant juniper
any quikc way to get upload ? π
umbral reef
@distant juniper Play the game a lot
undone belfry
close enough
mighty galleon
just play the game and enjoy
distant juniper
no quick way to do it_
mighty galleon
maybe i should update my pic sometime soon xD
undone belfry
Sadly i can't find any good pics of ashlotte so after i fix up the model i'm working on i'll just use a screenshot.
mighty galleon
im use to it
undone belfry
Sean always boggles me lmao. I always say it as Sheen
mighty galleon
im the type thats like "if you wanna refer me to any name, ill answer to it"
kk
its better then what some people refer to me as
one of them is shitbag xD
undone belfry
I was debating cloth for my skirt but just realized it wouldn't work very well
glass yacht
wow wtf, they reduced the poly count you can upload now its half the old one
undone belfry
uh, what?
glass yacht
are they trying to bait people into breaking the sdk limit or what?
My model was 11 k polys
and the system said i had to reduce to 10k
just now
hushed isle
Soab
undone belfry
its always said that but can still upload, unless you have another error?
hushed isle
- Make somethin' awesome for the community
- Make an update that ruins everything
mighty galleon
hmm, that sounds weird
undone belfry
Least my most commonly used avatar atm is 4.5k tris but bumped up to 19.9k ish due to subdeviding hands and face for visemes.
However i think it just might be a different issue
tacit plank
If you have over 10k it will tell you that it's bad
But won't prevent uploading before you're above 19999
tacit plank
Stricter?
odd beacon
I really don't think they need to be stricter about poly counts
tacit plank
It's barely impossible to get anything to look good below 20k
undone belfry
i mean, if the limit was reduced, there would be a MUCH bigger outrage.
tacit plank
Whichis barely anything
glass yacht
yeah.. 20 k is tarded
tacit plank
If everybody had 50k polies all of a sudden I doubt I'd even notice
hushed isle
Btw VR is still in toddler shoes
undone belfry
Seeing from my experiences in the past, the larger models just give me long load times for models.
since i've seen people with 200k cars, 80k models, ect.
steep pagoda
20k poly counts are bad
Alot of avatars (even with decimation) would look horrible at that limit
There is to many factors to try and get everything down to that level
Some may look fine but others will be destroyed
Decimation should not be used at all really
Also that issue is more so from uncompressed audio and textures
tacit plank
It does get worse after 65k, but that's only because Unity is dumb and splits the mesh above that
Doubling the draw calls
undone belfry
I'd like to see 50k as the max but a lot of other factors have to be refined first.
mighty galleon
decimation isnt that hard imo, a lot of people just refuse to do it, and i dont understand why
undone belfry
Since i only do certain game models which are 3k to at least 60k the rarest.
steep pagoda
Polys LITTERALY mean nothing
A psvita game runs with modles over 20k
As do 3ds games
Moden 360 and PS3 games runw it modles over 100k each
A modern Xbox in and ps4 run closer to 400k-1m
You can't tell me a modern gpu in the past 8 years can't handle modles over 20k XD
It's nothing
Also it doesn't get worse if you actually split them properly lol
Into 2 meshes (3 or more start to cause more draws)
But 2 is fine
It doesn't "double" draws just add one or 2 for another renderer
The actually laggy things in vrchat
Is ik for userer (VR and even more so full body)
And dynamic bones witch are horribly done by most users causeing huge performance drops lol
steep pagoda
Sorry on phone so kinda bad at typing XD GPU
Point stands people complain saying poly cound is the issue for performance
When in reality it's the least thing to actually worry about in this game lol
undone belfry
I'm working on a model, from 2008 using UE3 and its 40k.
Which i'm refining it atm.
mighty galleon
im not adept at computer things so yeah
undone belfry
my only issue with larger polycount leads to larger avatars to load. Few months back all i did was lag out of worlds with 10 people in them and they barely loaded to half lol.
Been better now but not by much.
steep pagoda
If you really Wana optimise your modles keep your amount of dynamic bones scripts low (as little as possible)
As said before poly count does not contribute to file size
If they took along time to do they had big audio files or textures
grand thistle
if you compress your texures your moddel loads quicker
mighty galleon
ash maybe one day we can hang out in vrchat lol
safe prism
poly count 100% affects file size
every vert and things attached to the vert are data
data takes space
undone belfry
maybe, sean. maybe.
safe prism
i can prove this to you if you need me to
mighty galleon
i mostly just need more people to talk to on vrchat b/c publics dont have many people for actual conversations
steep pagoda
XD it makes the mesh size bigger
But to actually make a imoact you'd have to have a hella big modle
Example a 3 million poly car modle in game has a file size of 5mb for the mesh
And 50mb for textures
safe prism
also consider those AAA published games are designed around having high poly models. they spend a lot of time getting scenes and maps right to be smooth and not lag
steep pagoda
Witch coulc be compressed down to 10mb
And then unity compression of asset files
Would bring the total do size to 6mb
safe prism
there's an entire group of doctoral and master's thesises on getting it right
this game, not even close. no one can build a map or avatar that works in every situation unlike AAA
not fair to compare
also more verts = longer shader run times :x
glass yacht
I have a question, Is there a way to make my avatar view point move with my animation,? I made an avatar riding a vehicle, it hovers and floats about in idle but the camera remains stationary
undone belfry
I don't think so milk, least from my experience.
steep pagoda
No milk ATM no there is not a way to do that
ruby burrow
I feel there's surely got to be a way to do that right? What about attaching the vehicle more like a prop, and just disabling the avatars legs?
ruby burrow
All you really need is the upper half to be functional and keep the vehicle glued to you right?
Oh wait.... I'm misreading the question aren't I.
safe prism
a) that's really bad idea
b) your control point will stay the same
c) your friends will also be stolen viewpoints
d) that's a really bad idea
ruby burrow
The part about "move with animation".
echo cedar
Does anyone know if they are ever going to fix the puck tracking for feet in vrchat because I swear I've tried everything to get these to work properly
If I adjust the ball height to the floor, the legs don't bend properly. If I move the floor height, I have to lover my height so the arms break. I just want working leggies. D:
halcyon ingot
do you use mmd models?
or models with abnormally long legs
If you do and you want propper tracking then shorten the legs or lengthen the arms
glass yacht
could someone please explain to me what this message means? I googled it and all I could find was some old obscure 4 chan post which was not helpful all the bones are parented correctly and rolled to 0 and mapped manually everything is green, never seen this issue before https://image.ibb.co/bUxa4e/why.png
ripe glacier
Hey friends
glad rose
This can't be good
torn drift
Where is the meme channel?
umbral reef
glass yacht
it was\
seems its bitching because of the names
whitch it should not care since i manually mapped them
safe prism
names do matter
i'd rename it
as far as vrchat and unity goes, it cares possibly too much
glass yacht
ok, yeah i am >.< its just confusing because I never had to do this with my other av bones\
safe prism
any main required hierarchy bones are strict on naming
as well as default/blink/eye tracking animations too
glass yacht
yay i got it
after renaming every bloody bone and then renaming them again >.< because it didn't inform me that it wanted them without spaces untill I renamed them the first time >.>
sage pewter
There is some funky stuff going on with desktop animations now
or do I need to update my sdk?
ivory folio
if you're talking about idle animations, I think that's because they are being blended with crouch idle and prone idle animations
sage pewter
Oi
polar bone
how do i be edgy
tacit plank
My VRChat playermods won't work
I added them to the VRCWorld Scene Descriptor
Wait, don't tell me it's due to this dumb checkbox...
cyan cloak
Anyone know if I'm able to cancel a support ticket? I figured out what was wrong: I'm dumb π
signal field
anyone have any idea how strict they are with world uploads that have something that is nsfw
friend wants a body pillow put into his room, trying to gauge weather I can use a certain texture
cyan cloak
k π
raven mango
whenever you visit a world you have before already, it shows data downloading. Does this mean you keep downloading the world to your vrchat folder?
dire palm
yeah to your cache folder
leaden kiln
cause you can't set the cache size, so it deletes stuff randomly and you have to redownload it over and over
which is awesome on a slow connection
tacit plank
It should delete the oldest things first
leaden kiln
it doesn't
tacit plank
If that doesn't work, I guess you can sort by newest in the cache file and manually wipe the oldest entries
leaden kiln
I just figured out what my issue with the output logs was
tacit plank
Cool
leaden kiln
I don't want to wipe any of it
not really, cause somehow I had an output log file in C:\Users[Username]\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\
and I've been copying that every time it crashed, so I have a bunch of copies of the same file
tacit plank
That's the usual location
leaden kiln
maybe it was, but they changed it to C:\Users[Username]\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat\
tacit plank
Which anyone here could have told you if you had asked. The output log is also quite small. Like a megabyte per hour
leaden kiln
dude they changed it without notice however long ago. Why would anyone know to ask that?
tacit plank
You didn't think to check the folder literally called "VRChat"?
tacit plank
"Without notice" It's in the patch notes though
tacit plank
I don't think you're being entirely fair to VRChat is all
leaden kiln
or literally anything else that isn't constantly broken
8 months of fairness has degraded into frustration
that's more than fair
tacit plank
I'm on 1235 hours without getting errors that couldn't be solved by restarting
leaden kiln
lucky you
tacit plank
I think the issue is that you don't read things properly
leaden kiln
the issue is trashing the users instead of fixing the problems
tacit plank
Got an example? Because all they have been doing lately is fixing problems (again, read the patch notes. Half the script kiddie exploits have been fixed)
leaden kiln
what like stealing avatars? they already got around it
gpu crashers? still doing it
particle crashers?> still work
horrible lag that gets worse with every update lately? yeah
tacit plank
Stealing avatars got much harder, and I don't think you can even steal avatars remotely anymore
Crashers are still a thing, but you should use the particle limiter that they provided you with if you care so much
leaden kiln
love the new daily blue screen feature. That wasn't happening at all for a while
only takes one particle to crash you. That was very clearly demonstrated when the limiter first came out
one reason they took it back off
tacit plank
Lag has gotten better, mirrors were improved and they were one of the worst offenders. Opening the menu lags at the moment though, but it's not permanent
safe prism
how are you getting crashed literally every time you're on the game tho
leaden kiln
i know rite
safe prism
i chill in public for hours and never get hit :x
tacit plank
It's still possible, but using the filter will reduce your crashes by a lot
It seems that only you have this problem
tacit plank
It's a numbers game. The game isn't hacker proof, but eliminating 90% of the scripters has been a big improvement
Maybe there's no crashers, and your drivers just can't deal with some shaders?
leaden kiln
the same ones everyone else is using?
tacit plank
Maybe multiple drivers are interferring? Or maybe your card is bad? Daily bluescreens definitely aren't normal.
Anyways, I'm off to sleep now
leaden kiln
Is the one for the video driver
safe prism
yeah but which one
leaden kiln
Nvk something I think
true sky
Here is a list of stop codes which can point what the issue is @leaden kiln
https://www.lifewire.com/blue-screen-error-codes-4065576
When you bluescreen, you should receive a STOP code
Windows 10 will give the keyname of the STOP code with what it is
leaden kiln
Yeah I looked it up and tried one of the fixes already, didn't work
I have no idea what's causing it, but it's not a matter of someone crashing me. It just happens
safe prism
could i possibly get a dxdiag, both system and display 1 tabs 
leaden kiln
nvlddmkm.sys is the one
true sky
Ah, you got VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE
leaden kiln
dxdiag says no problems found
safe prism
not looking for that, i want to see the tabs
true sky
Try one of the following:
1. Clean re-install Nvidia graphics driver
2. Update Nvidia graphics driver
3. Drivers or programs conflictΒ checkΒ
4. Run chkdsk and memtest tests```toss me a screenshot like this and you're in the money, all i'm asking for. https://my.mixtape.moe/zydvuv.png
safe prism
do you use VR
leaden kiln
yeah
safe prism
which one
leaden kiln
oculus
safe prism
oculus shouldn't play well with 7 :x
leaden kiln
it does fine
safe prism
apparently not tho
safe prism
june is when they made the requirement change
leaden kiln
plays other games fine
yeah, they're trying to force everyone on to win10 however they can
that's microsoft bribing them to push it
safe prism
you're in a 5% minority