Whew new update. 5$ says hackers still running rampant tho
#vrchat-general-2
noble dirge
wide tundra
when you just install the SDK and then Tupper releases a new one
median basalt
Doesn't matter, it's just the mirror anti-aliasing default change
velvet kite
$5 says hackers haven't run anywhere in a long time
median basalt
Release 2⃣ without 🅱ustom ani🅱ators btw
noble dirge
Well one of us gettin 5 bucks @velvet kite
covert chasm
@median basalt I hate to repeat myself but I'll change up the message a bit: 🅱eature 🅱requests isn't 🅱eature 🅱emands 😛
median basalt
I know, I'm just keeping score
covert chasm
Fixed it already, but thank you for letting me know 😃
night lark
thx
median basalt
Oof, that's quick. Where does Steam even list the version number?
upbeat dust
that loading screen music better be your typical elevator music 😄
median basalt
The new loading screens are nice
covert chasm
It doesn't. As the announcement states, it is in the bottom left of the Quick Menu. If you're getting loading screens, you're on the right version.
median basalt
Quite some QoL in this update at least, "Active" being at the top of the worlds list is under-appreciated
night lark
next time i play vrchat in vr i will be able to use full body
velvet kite
Aw no fix for the seat glitching overrides? My hands wont stop puking particles
abstract wind
@covert chasm I was wondering is there’s anywhere to make suggestions
uncut gorge
@covert chasm Why no fix for my wrists?
covert chasm
@abstract wind https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests
abstract wind
@covert chasm thanks
south mist
vrchat featuring dante from devil may cry
floral aspen
gesture overrides messing up when you sit down have been an issue for a very long time
covert chasm
Rak, we know about the issue with FBIK wrist twisting, but the fix didn't make it into this version. We're well aware of it however.
idle beacon
@covert chasm 5 🅱rending 🅱osts a🅱out 🅱ustom 🅱animators
Gee what would our community want?
night lark
vrchat wont update
abstract wind
Cuz I would really like to have a favorite tab for avatars since I have a avatar world I want to fav my main avatars I use
velvet kite
Its never too early for it to stop being an issue though
vocal shard
gib custom animator, Tupper
floral aspen
didn't say it wasn't 393, I agree with you
upbeat dust
Takes a while until the new update appears, just wait a couple of minutes
night lark
k
cold talon
still no animator
floral aspen
yelling about animators in discord isn't going to make it come any faster
vocal shard
of course it is
uncut gorge
@covert chasm I don't want to be stuck with retarded wrists for months while inane stuff like menu ordering gets worked on 😛
vocal shard
that0s why we do it every single time
median basalt
Several people are typing
cold talon
shet forgot to change it back 
languid forge
yea new update and i see no peoples YEA!!!!!!!! OOF!!!!
covert chasm
That's normal. They have to update.
polar rose
just go tell them to update dood :^)
upbeat dust
people on the previous version will not appear for people with new update and vice versa i guess
vocal shard
Oh hell yeah! Reticle is finally in 😃
languid forge
im alone 4 ever alone
median basalt
Give people an hour for the word about the update to spread
Then most people will restart
The game's small filesize means quick updates
abstract summit
This new loading screen is gross looking.
languid forge
:c
cold talon
the wat is in?
oh that nvm
still lark
Was reticle needed? I just held right click
median basalt
Glad to see the persistent damage overlay fixed
covert chasm
@still lark You can disable it in the menu.
median basalt
Reticle isn't particularly needed IMO but it's also a rather small addition that didn't cost a year to make or anything
So whatever
vocal shard
is there a way to turn off the new loading screen back to the old one? blues a little hard on the eyes
median basalt
If a feature is easy to implement and offers a lot of value, it's worth implementing, I say.
still lark
I know
sage pewter
abstract summit
I'd love an option for the old loading screen.
still lark
Nah reticle is always on unless you hide the HUD or toggle it off in the settings
abstract summit
It was much nicer to look at and I loved the space background.
This one just makes the game look like a mobile game.
With the forced tips
velvet kite
^
patent grotto
facts tho
coral vessel
u know what we should have? a button to block an avatar of an individual instead of everyone in the room!
velvet kite
U can tho?
polar rose
yea, a block avatar button would be very nice
median basalt
The tips are a good addition to an otherwise empty loading screen IMO
upbeat dust
That's a request on vrcanny already - (and it is severely needed)
floral aspen
they mean just block the avatar, not the user 393
median basalt
It's the best place to put them because newer people will see them all the time
vocal shard
He meant an avatar not a person
covert chasm
If you've got a feature request, its possible that someone else has already requested it. If not, you can post a feature request: https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests
coral vessel
ok papi tupper
upbeat dust
not very sure why Active and Avatar worlds should appear in social and avatar tab....
that might lag for some people with potato pc's
median basalt
Yeah, I don't agree with that change either. Just introduces additional clutter. I never visit avatar worlds so it's just another annoyance to be added to my avatar list
In addition, it's also duplicate functionality because I can click on "Worlds" and find the Active and Avatar Worlds sections there.
velvet kite
I guess it's for new player usability
upbeat dust
Usually scrolling in the world tab lags it up for me.
velvet kite
Since a lot of new players run around asking about it
upbeat dust
sooo... petition to add in toggle on and off for it? 😄
upbeat dust
can never have enough toggles
ruby burrow
It is possible to have too many toggles, yes.
velvet kite
Requesting toggle for all the new toggles
vocal shard
Yes
upbeat dust
one master toggle to show all other toggles yes
velvet kite
Oh that reminds me though is there a toggle button for safe mode or something?
It keeps randomly triggering for me
cold talon
toggle for A d v a n c e d U s e r s
ruby burrow
Map out a toggle tree, of branching and sub-dividing toggles.
upbeat dust
you can switch it off in system tab for avatars and mute
velvet kite
Yeh. But why does it keep toggling
ruby burrow
That's the panic button you're triggering 393. It's both menu buttons and the triggers at once.
velvet kite
Ahh. Thanks
upbeat dust
whenever you press it, a message should appear on your screen
plucky whale
still waiting on making it more difficult to steal avatars
i don't want my ansem model stolen
upbeat dust
well, you can add in a backround picture behind your avatar when you take a picture
median basalt
@wary karma you're not the only guy with an Ansem lmao
velvet kite
Naw I know. It's just I didnt know there was a panic command. My dancing keeps triggering it I guess
ruby burrow
Can actually be a fairly handy quick shortcut if some obvious crasher is getting in your face, and about to try a crash.
upbeat dust
something like "personal avatar owned by (name), report if seen used by anyone else"
median basalt
I think it was implemented as a countermeasure against screenspace gore @ruby burrow
ruby burrow
They're powerless if their avatars are blocked, and then you can just block them normally.
median basalt
In case you can't see anything
But now the menu renders over everything (good change btw) and those people have stopped
ruby burrow
Yeah of course, but has that other application too.
plucky whale
i mean mine is just a model - no face rigging or anything cause i dont unity yet
but nice if octuplex has a better one
cold talon
Im still waiting for a difficulty slider
plucky whale
i also managed to get an il piantissimo working
upbeat dust
uhm... is the microphone icon broken for anyone else?
indigo fern
Difficulty slider? Why not get easier automatically everytime you crash?
plucky whale
actually does anyone here use a windows mixed reality headset with vrchat
i'm curious how well they work compared to stuff like the vive
median basalt
Some people do, it works well enough
Controllers aren't utilized to their fullest extent though, but that's not a huge issue
The biggest problem is the simple tracking, which means you can't put your hands behind your back for example
plucky whale
negligible ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cold talon
@indigo fern that is implemented already but reversed
median basalt
But it's quite portable and apparently cheap. I recommend an Oculus Rift instead if the price difference isn't too big
velvet kite
It's important
plucky whale
the rift has theoretically worse tracking cause its cameras are static
and it can cut out behind objects
but better in that it's full range
cold talon
vagrant depot
several users are typing.
plucky whale
yeah the rift is like $150 more over here
velvet kite
I've never been shocked by my rift once
velvet kite
Its barely static
cold talon
photos taken seconds before disaster
indigo fern
Shocked 
magic yew
ruby burrow
I had the same thing, where a recommend a $250 WMR headset turned out to be £500 where I live. So just went with the Vive.
velvet kite
Yeesh what's wrong with y'alls market
glad rose
I bet you can get an ol reliable oculus dk2 for under $100
ruby burrow
The actual price difference between a Vive or a Rift with the third sensor and extra cables, is pretty much £0 here.
indigo fern
Ok, you said that already, no need to out a big ole link in here 🤢
ruby burrow
No need for a charging kit or rechargeable batteries either.
velvet kite
I'll get the third sensor when I get a wireless headset
I have a feeling the two of those together is a disaster
Er with the wire
glad rose
no need for a charging kit wait does this thing use replaceable batteries
ruby burrow
Wall mounted sensors for the win. :v
plucky whale
problem with the dk2 is it's from 2014 - way worse specs than cv1
and it's still going for at least 380
night lark
you all are legally obligated to only watch billion suprise toys in vrchat ok?
south mist
no papa
glad rose
I think I got my dk2 off Craigslist for $150, this may have been a better investment than I thought
plucky whale
decent
vocal shard
Dk2 doesn't have many uses anymore
heady meteor
why is it taking forever
indigo fern
box of skittles 👀
glad rose
xd it was cool at the time I swear
median basalt
The new loading screen is a visual downgrade.
glad rose
I played game
ruby needle
ofc you can
glad rose
mainly just wanted to try vr though
grand thistle
if you want to try vr try atleast a good desktop headset and you need one that has controlers
ruby needle
if you had to much money to buy developer hardware that is going to be useless at some point or heavily limited in functionallity thant that is fine
but buying into a old, outdated developement hardware now is stupid.
20-30 max
if you really see no way of getting a consumer headset and just want to play a bit.
plucky whale
i mean i tried to hack together a vr setup using ps move controllers, a phone/phoneheadset and playstation 3 cameras
almost got it to work
and it was sub-200
but had issues with tracking
grand thistle
developer hardware is useful after the consumer versions if it's as good or better
plucky whale
oh and third-party drivers+software for vr with that stuff
960x540 per eye baby
grand thistle
the vive had a dev version before launch it's the same except different foam
that is a low resolution per eye
plucky whale
i mean
my phone is 1920p
1080x1920
so
that gets divided into two
oh wait
shit
lmao
960x1080
vocal shard
Lol
grand thistle
that's a okay resolution
plucky whale
it's really iffy
grand thistle
but still low res for vr
if you used the psvr headset and more cameras it could be better
plucky whale
grand thistle
but still it's not optimal at all
grand thistle
i know someone who used psvr+ psmove but it was not the best but it worked
plucky whale
yeah
ruby needle
console vr 
grand thistle
but it's just a better headset then a phone
vocal shard
Yeah
grand thistle
as it has real lensens
plucky whale
problem was i couldn't get the software to calibrate the camera positions properly if there was more than one camera
ruby needle
well
the phone as screen thing highly depends on the phone "Headset"
there is cheap ones and really good ones
plucky whale
zeiss oneplus
grand thistle
i wan't to find something out about windows mr if you can use kinnects to track the controller
ruby needle
it's time to drop kinect
plucky whale
it's actually a really fucking interesting technology
plucky whale
but it's never really been used well
grand thistle
the price difference is the main reason
vocal shard
No, you cannot use the Kinect for wmr controller's. Why would you want to
grand thistle
kinnect for like 15 euro at least thats what i spend on my 360 kinnect
plucky whale
honestly i might have tried more with the kinect shit for vr if i had an xbox one kinect instead of a 360
vocal shard
Wmr user here btw
vocal shard
Lenovo
grand thistle
i use windows mr plus kinnect for full body
plucky whale
you mean
grand thistle
the 360 kinnect
plucky whale
you use that one softwawre
vocal shard
Driver4vr
grand thistle
and the controllers they are less laggy when they are next to me in full body
ruby needle
kinect for FBT is meh
plucky whale
but switch controllers didn't work well
vocal shard
Kinect fbt is very buggy tho
ruby needle
it can give you a impression but is a toy and not really usable for a every day thing
grand thistle
it's better then no FBT still
vocal shard
I play without it usually
plucky whale
yeah i tried them
the support was buggy at the time
not sure how it's been since may
ruby needle
@grand thistle actually no
its worse
on a every day basis
you get limited by it a lot
as in what you can do
plucky whale
if you're going to use kinect for FBT you should be using the xbone kinect
360 has a very restrictive FOV for it
ruby needle
even the v2 isn't really great
grand thistle
i use it a lot and i can set it up in a second the reduced movement range is the worst part but not so bad
as i play in one spot most of the time
plucky whale
have you tried using ps move controllers for it
pick up a few at gamestop and the third-party driver can track them
maybe for FBT, i haven't tried that
also the controllers are like 50 bucks each so
vocal shard
I heard that's much better. 360 tracking and rotation, but demanding on cpu
grand thistle
i think i can get pingpong ball full body working
thick escarp
halcyon ingot
I use 18 Wii remote sensors
halcyon ingot
xD
plucky whale
i mean i remember driver4vr had rudimentary wii motion plus support
but
fuck off lol
halcyon ingot
Wii remote sensors wouldn't even work
plucky whale
ik
night lark
i want an idea for a character that would look cool with fbt
plucky whale
unless you made them look for ir patterns and strapped some irs to you
halcyon ingot
@night lark I have never seen a full-body shrek
night lark
no like a concept not shrek
halcyon ingot
Wii sensors aren't sensors
plucky whale
yes
halcyon ingot
They emit ir
plucky whale
ok just glue some wiimotes to yourself lol
halcyon ingot
People have successfully used 2 candles instead of the sensor bar
grand thistle
if vrchat get support for perception neuron that would be cool
plucky whale
lmao sony charging 350 for 1080p/2 shit vr
ruby needle
console vr is bullshit anyway 😄
halcyon ingot
The Nintendo switch firmware has a vr mode listed
plucky whale
i hear 6.0.0 is coming this week
ruby needle
well
ember glacier
Ive noticed that people now have a staus this, how do i change that?
grand thistle
there even is a patent on a vr headset for the switch
ruby needle
it's basically a tablet 
grand thistle
before the switch even released
plucky whale
yeah 640x360 per eye would be awful
opaque jewel
So why does the new hideous loading screen look like something out of Sims stating things people should already know?
vocal shard
I've used Kinect for FBT for a bit now and it has a lot of advantages over the Trackers. But only due to IK problems on VRC's part.
I'd still rather have the trackers.
plucky whale
saigo you should buy me a kinectv2 :)
grand thistle
at the end of 2016 there was a patent to have a vrheadset for the nintendo switch
opaque jewel
Well that's half of the question
worn lance
Why does my hairdryer say I shouldn't use it in the bathtub?
grand thistle
well nintendo own it and doesn't use it so we don't know anything
plucky whale
vocal shard
I got my XB1 Kinect for 50 bucks. They're cheap now.
The most expensive part is the adapter. No lies.
grand thistle
i can't get a cheap xbox one kinnect
vocal shard
I spent more on the adapter than Driver4VR and the Kinect combined.
grand thistle
cheapest is 70 euro with no adapter
i know that you can make an addapter for 20 euro or so same for the us 20 dollars
opaque jewel
Well I guess if their goal was to keep people in worlds longer and lower world hopping I guess well done, 10/10.
grand thistle
but you need to open the sensor
vocal shard
The XB1 Kinect's adapter is a lot higher than you'd think.
ruby needle
gotta buy a third party one from china
vocal shard
You get what you pay for is the correct phrase.
ruby needle
adapter
grand thistle
this person made a custom adapter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rWWT24TNE
vocal shard
I wouldn't buy one from China and wait 2-6 weeks for it to get here and not work.
plucky whale
honestly i'm impressed that we can do room scale vr using headset-embedded cameras
environment recognition is neat
vocal shard
I spent the money for one that would work and be here in 2-6 days.
grand thistle
if i get an xbox one kinnect i will mod it and not buy an adapter
plucky whale
wait does anyone know if the WMR cameras have trouble with light levels?
vocal shard
It works in most. Just not really dark
The problem with WMR is the controller tracking.
grand thistle
cheap 12v 3amp psu cheap cable and a psu adapter
grand thistle
the controler tracking is okayish but for vrchat its not the best windows mr
vocal shard
Controller tracking isn't as bad as people make it out to be
The controller tracking requires them to stay in your view range.
No they can go fully out
grand thistle
there is only one crapy thing controller vibration when drawing in presentation room
opal rivet
Are friends lists in alphabetical order again?
vocal shard
10 seconds versus indefinitely though. BUT AGAIN
You get what you pay for.
And WMR is good money.
plucky whale
windows mixed reality
plucky whale
basically cheaper vives with worse controller tracking
but no tracking stations
it's independent
vocal shard
and higher resolution
plucky whale
oh yes
vocal shard
Vive will be more worthwhile when the Knuckles come out to consumers.
Honestly, Rift.
plucky whale
it's more worth it now that steamvr has decent support for it
with that one app on steam
vocal shard
You can use the trackers with the Rift already.
After using wmr, I used a rift. The screen SDE was very strong in comparison... But everything else is better
Get best of both worlds.
plucky whale
i prefer to hook my virtual boy up to the new lighthouses and use my wiimotes as controllers
grand thistle
i got window mr becouse i have roof supports but otherwise whould have bought a vive
ruby needle
vocal shard
Vive is too expensive still.
grand thistle
just no place for sensors i can place them on the floor but that wouldn't work
plucky whale
and frankly i might buy the vive if i had the money for it, but with WMR being $300 less and only slightly worse i'm going for WMR
vocal shard
Rift + Trackers.
Best Buy.
IF you have room.
For the Sensors and lighthouses.
Worth noting.
ruby needle
one lighthouse is even enogh
ruby burrow
My vote goes to Vive. For one thing you don't need to check whether your motherboard is compatible with it, or turn your room into a spaghetti cable nightmare.
plucky whale
but with WMR being $300 less and only slightly worse i opt for it
ruby needle
@ruby burrow thats a weird argument
vocal shard
Vive's only real pull right now is that it's open-source.
ruby burrow
Vive is same price as Rift, unless you're gonna half ass it and not get the third sensor for equivalent tracking quality.
vast tulip
While the knuckles are coming and will fix this issues, the vive controllers are the worst things ever. They are trash
ruby needle
open source
grand thistle
vive is just developing things more then releasing
vocal shard
Get rift, get Steam and Oculus Store. Get trackers with it, full-body tracking.
grand thistle
if we all were developers we would use vive with knuckles and trackers
plucky whale
but those are pretty expensive at 200
vast tulip
You can use 2.0trackers with rift (you need 1.0 or 2.0 light houses too)
ruby needle
what on earth is that 😄
vocal shard
I suggest what I've spent time looking into. I've looked into both. My girlfriend uses Vive with Trackers. I see the differences.
I love my wmr. Chose it over the rift 
plucky whale
if you don't mind the controllers having low accuracy outside the generous fov of the headset
it's pretty worth it from what i can tell
grand thistle
there is a thing that exists that tracks vive and ocullus as an all in one module
vocal shard
Like... Full body? With Kinect
grand thistle
i have wmr and full body works but i use kinnect
vocal shard
There's a lot of niche devices with minimal support that provide a better experience.
ruby burrow
I just find the price argument weird. There's virtually zero difference unless you're opting for inferior tracking.
vocal shard
But minimal support.
grand thistle
but the fbt isn't the best
vocal shard
You can use vive controllers and trackers with wmr if you have the lighthouses too
ruby burrow
WMR I can understand, since it's actually significantly cheaper.
vocal shard
Climby dev used knuckles with wmr
ruby needle
wmr should also work with the vive trackers and a lighthouse just like the rift
but getting WMR and going FBT is a stupid combo
vocal shard
Cannot use Touch controllers without a Rift HMD. Can use Vive controllers without Vive HMD.
ruby needle
kinect is a toy
shadow wagon
how do i report a bug?
ruby needle
buying the cheapest HMD but aiming for a high end solution with full body tacking
grand thistle
going for vive trackers and wmr
vocal shard
shadow wagon
thanks
ruby needle
@shadow wagon #user-support-old for a real report
vocal shard
YEAH
ruby needle
#vrchat-support if you need help if one
plucky whale
kinect would be less of a toy if people made better uses of it
vocal shard
But they'll send you straight to #vrchat-support
plucky whale
and if it had better vision (FOV, distance)
grand thistle
then later on you can buy vive controllers and vive pro
vocal shard
Paul, tbh.. I love the rift controllers... but headset I prefer wmr
ruby needle
its simply old and outdated tech that simply is not and never have been designed for FBT in realtime
thats kinects problem
i really hope people start using the modern version
vocal shard
I can tell you all the current IK issues with the trackers that the Kinect does not have.
ruby needle
aka realsense
vocal shard
If you like.
ruby burrow
The Frankenstein setup I keep hearing people doing, of having 3 rift sensors and 2 vive ones, with half and half controllers/tracking confuses me. So much more expensive, and such a mess to setup around the room.
grand thistle
intel realsense is just more expensive and playing with the kinnect is just easy
ruby needle
@ruby burrow actually a oculus plus vive FBT with one lightouse is not much expensive
ruby burrow
One lighthouse? That sounds like you'd get major blindspots.
ruby needle
if the realsense can deliver a great performacne then that is still worth
vocal shard
Headset
grand thistle
it depends if you can get a cheap kinnect it can be fun to play with
ruby needle
one Lighthouse works very well from what i see with my friends that im around with
and yes, 360°
vocal shard
I have a friend who loves their wmr+ Kinect... But it's not for me
I'm fine without full body
grand thistle
i like my wmr+kinect but i think it's just luck my moddel works so good with it
ruby burrow
The lighthouses have a 120 degree field of view, so one in the corner can cover an entire room, but far as I understand they still need line of sight to the tracker.
grand thistle
i know someone same moddel but rift and kinnect and it's not as good as my one
vocal shard
Vive with trackers is only 100 bucks less than Oculus with Vive trackers. With one Lighthouse, they're the same price.
Lighthouses do not need line-of-sight.
ruby burrow
That's not the same package though. That's one lighthouse vs two.
ruby burrow
Same as when people imply Rift with two sensors is equal to vive with two lighthouses. It's not an equal comparison to claim one is cheaper.
vocal shard
Rift has free shipping afaik.
ruby needle
but a 3 sensor rift (correctly placed) is equal in tracking quality
unles your space is very big
vocal shard
I know the difference between 2 sensors and 3.
ruby burrow
Yes, a 3 sensor is. But that's not the normal comparison people make.
vocal shard
I unplug a sensor for my kinect.
grand thistle
you know what is funny the lighouse 2.0 is cheaper to make then 1.0 but they cost more
plucky whale
profiteering
ruby burrow
They keep saying that Rift is $100 cheaper, when the actual price for the full equivalent spec room scale package is closer to $20.
vocal shard
Not really.
ruby needle
2 sensor room scale does work rather well tho if set up correctly
im on a 2 sensor 360° (actual death spot less 360)
ruby burrow
"rather well" is still not equivalent, and I find it a dishonest argument.
vocal shard
Vive is 500 + shipping is more.
ruby needle
i didnt claim it beeing equivalent
my sensors are even on 2.0 too
and it really is working very well for playing games and normal interactions. the only thing it is getting bad at is very fine movements that need accuracy, like drawing lines which does work most of the time but can get a bit zig zag
vocal shard
If I unplugged a front sensor and use my first and third, my tracking would be better than if I used my first and second.
crisp ruin
well if u dont plan on getting leg trackers then id say it makes sense to just get the rift and some more sensors
grand thistle
i found something you could get cheaper fbt with rift and vive
crisp ruin
kinect
plucky whale
so the hololens is like a kinectv4 internally
glad rose
my vives had free shipping on amazon prime..
grand thistle
if you have the rift you can buy a few vr sensor boards for 2.49 a piece and make the sensors way cheaper they only need power that you need to get yourself
and then vive trackers
ruby burrow
I just checked my emails. I paid zero shipping for my Vive, so I don't know where you're getting that idea.
tiny oxide
hello there is a bug with new vr chat how can i tell them
crisp ruin
i like to use a kinect with color tracking. cant tell the difference between it and the vive trackers other than the fact that u have to face forward
ruby needle
dont forgett... there is more then just one or two stores
vive trackers are not even close to comparable
crisp ruin
@tiny oxide bug report channel
plucky whale
tiny oxide
damn
crisp ruin
lol
plucky whale
yeah
tiny oxide
i dont even know about the diference between genera and random chat
plucky whale
furibeished
crisp ruin
there isnt really a difference but the general is more for stuff related to vrchat
tiny oxide
furebisj
plucky whale
firbushed
tiny oxide
refurnished
plucky whale
furbishned
crisp ruin
im just waiting to see whatever oculus has planned with their new headset
tiny oxide
defurnish
ruby needle
the next gen is gonna be nice 
plucky whale
berinsherfish
plucky whale
narrow delta
Can't wait for oculus connect 5 this month.
ruby burrow
Oculus has revealed quite a bit of nice new tech in their current prototypes. As has Paimax. HTC has so far kept any developments mainly in house (or I've otherwise missed the news).
plucky whale
knuckles
tiny oxide
and if you get lenovo from amazon there is a chance they give you a two R controllers or L lol
plucky whale
if you count it because valve is partnered with htc
grand thistle
htc has knuckles but those a lot of people know about
crisp ruin
i dont have high hopes for the pimax
didnt they say that they would have it out by now?
grand thistle
pimax is cool as they are making their own knuckles controlers
and they work with vive tracking
glad rose
knuckles cv when -.-
grand thistle
pimax knuckles are most likely out before vive
crisp ruin
pimax looks like a cheap company trying to sell an expensive product with expensive hardware requirements
ruby burrow
Knuckles is nice, but I more mean HMD developments.
crisp ruin
i wouldnt trust pimax for quality
crisp ruin
dont u need to have two 1080s to run the 8k
crisp ruin
also i heard that their headsets had a lot of screen tearing on their prototype 8k
ruby needle
@grand thistle depends on how you define 8k
ruby burrow
My first reaction to the Paimax was seeing it as a cheap company trying to sell big hype numbers whilst dangerously cutting costs. After talking to some people in game about it, my opinion of it has improved some, but I still wouldn't dare order or back it until seeing some substantial reviews.
crisp ruin
8k is just two 4k screens but im fine with that
ruby needle
again, definition 
grand thistle
as hd is 1/4 of 4k as i use a 4k screen and a hd one
crisp ruin
pimax is taking the direction i want vr to take but i dont trust pimax as the company to actually deliver those promises well
ruby burrow
The resolution is far better regardless of how you define it, but it is certainly somewhat questionable marketing.
grand thistle
1 1080p one and one 4k one the 4k one pixel wise is 4* the 1080p one
crisp ruin
but we'll see
grand thistle
i want live when the vr tech of sao comes out
i could see those things working but not like they do folowing sao lore
all vr users right now are early adopters
crisp ruin
im sure it wont be in the brain but hopefully once we can get affordable high fov, high res hmds with good controllers and affordable holodecks
it all exists in sketchy prototype and expensive form
ruby needle
sao tech is not out of the rule as in beeing made but if it is then it's definitely nothing for consumers
grand thistle
then vr would be good but most likly will be expensive so only the early adopters will get it needs to be more mainstream
and not take a lot of space
but a lot cheaper then it's now
little junco
Does the social menu still lag you the fuck out like it has since the friends list update?
crisp ruin
we need more games to advance vr
glad rose
good thing I'm a prosumer 😎
grand thistle
but for games we need to know what games are good for vr
as most vrgames you are only 2 hours but realy heavy on your body and vrchat is 5 a 6 hours and realy light on the body
grand thistle
now we are at a time which will not tell us a lot as the hardware makers used to be ahead a few years from what is out now they need to get back to researching a lot
we need better gpu's and cpu's for the mainstream and then vr can get alive completly
as it will make the things that are out now cheaper as the real users will buy better headsets the ones that are out now get cheaper and then we can see it
crisp ruin
and this brings up my point of why im pissed at nvidia for focusing so much on raytracing instead of making a card that was far better at processing graphics than previous models
grand thistle
i heard leaked rumors that the best card canot play tomb raider at 60 fps when using ray tracing
and those are old games
so those cards are just like vr headsets now
when it will be usefull we will have better gpu's
glad rose
Yes Intel surely has something big coming
crisp ruin
intel gpu 2020 apparently
glad rose
Not for a couple years though
crisp ruin
dont know if thats for just developement or theyll come out with a model then
grand thistle
and they never launched it as it's before this new thing
the gpu's of intel will be for the enterprise
like the nvidia quadro and nvidia tesla cards
floral aspen
project larrabee isn't even a gpu
grand thistle
it can be used as a gpu tho
grand thistle
probably not until 2022 a gaming chip
glad rose
[mining intensifies]
grand thistle
actualy i would love to run some enterprise gpu's for gaming
glad rose
Jk, for stats computations and data center uses
grand thistle
i'm planing to work at a datacenter and use the old systems for home use
floral aspen
beta testers have never had a special color
crisp ruin
actually i heard nvidia is working on making it so two gpus run a vr headset. not sli, just one eye per gpu
floral aspen
I thought 1 gpu per eye started with pascal
dx12 was supposed to allow that or something
grand thistle
we need more cores more threads more ghz for vr
i would like to see intel make a chip like ryzen but on the fast speed of intel chips
grand thistle
well it would make it cool to live in vr
but they cannot speak English even tho my English isn't the best
glad rose
But its the technology behind the hentai that we need
versed hound
How to change back to the normal loading from the horrific new one???
grand thistle
i would wan't to try it but i don't think it's good sleeping in vr
floral aspen
I have. I felt like shit when I woke up
ruby needle
@versed hound the answere is.... not at all
floral aspen
Didn't really feel that rested
grand thistle
if your vr headset is wireless it would be cool
lilac swan
It's uncomfortable, eyes felt like crap for a whole day
crisp ruin
i just want a new vrchat ui
floral aspen
idk
crisp ruin
thats all i want
floral aspen
cuz someone decided to make one
ruby needle
i know quite afew that do it regularely
floral aspen
me too
ruby needle
tho i am personally recommending to stay away
floral aspen
^
ruby needle
maybe like try it but not regularely
it's neither good for you
nor for the hardware
versed hound
So they force us to this I would rather not say what it is... @ruby needle
ruby needle
and it can easily lead to a serious addiction
lilac swan
It's cool for sure
crisp ruin
not only is sleeping in vrchat uncomfortable, ur lucky if someone doesnt scream in your ear
floral aspen
I haven't seen the new loading screen. Hope it's not as bad as people are saying
grand thistle
if used vr in a 30°C room i think the headset lost a lot of lifetime
ruby needle
@floral aspen imo it is awfully
grand thistle
it's meh the new loading screen i wan't the old one back
versed hound
It is... @floral aspen
floral aspen
oof
versed hound
The vr team at it again with fixing things that does not need fixing...
ruby needle
never forget that everyone has their own opinion
versed hound
Hint: that creates problems...
grand thistle
i liked the old one and just moving both controlers in vr
versed hound
The old one was just as nice and it was normal instead of this...
crisp ruin
the loading screen isnt too bad when compared to the other parts of the vrc ui. its just that all of the ui needs changing
grand thistle
it's a big change
versed hound
Its a big change...
versed hound
And it is a big part even if you don't always see it...
grand thistle
i wan't better cpu support
vocal shard
i do like the idea of tips tho. to help new players
grand thistle
that vrchat can use more then one core
versed hound
Tips are everywhere else...
vocal shard
but people don't know where to look
versed hound
At least give us the option to use the normal one if we don't like the new puke one...
grand thistle
it's realy weird to see one core 100% usage and 15 at 30% usage
crisp ruin
okay tell me this user made ui isnt sexy af. even if it is missing some things https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/menus-and-ui-refresh-suggestions
grand thistle
even tho some are threads not cores
tacit plank
You mean totally normal?
vocal shard
first impressions, looking at it without previous experience. id think that the new loading screen looks more welcoming and professional to new players
grand thistle
the friend list can be different tho from just looking at it
haughty rain
does anyone here know how to fix extremly long loading times?
tacit plank
It looks good Bleu, but that's not the point of UIs
versed hound
I dont care about new palyers I have over a fucking thousand...
haughty rain
ive tried a few things already but nothing seems to work
grand thistle
i have 300+ friends even tho most are offline
tacit plank
Right now it takes about 2-3 seconds to open the menu and join a specific friend
Can't be done much better than that
crisp ruin
well ideally we want a ui that looks good and is navigable
grand thistle
it's like sao ui
floral aspen
@river star because unity 5.6 has very limited multi-threading
versed hound
Loading times have been shit since last major patch...
crisp ruin
so far thats not the current vrchat ui
grand thistle
which i would love to have an option to open in vr like it's in sao
haughty rain
it takes like,,, 10 minutes to load into a world and another 10 for models to load
idk why
errant vault
I like the new loading screens +_-
floral aspen
I say it Tiedus, but you can call me whatever you want
versed hound
Like I said, cus of the last major patch broke a lot of stuff... @haughty rain
grand thistle
but why don't they update their unity? there are better versions of unity
floral aspen
my loading times haven't really been impacted all that much
obtuse grotto
So we have multithreading now?
floral aspen
@grand thistle because it isn't some switch you can just flip. Refactoring code for multi-threading takes time
crisp ruin
another thing that would be nice is being able to change keybinds
versed hound
So far I have not encountered good things from the major patch but a shit ton of bad things...
grand thistle
but it's something the players are wanting for months
floral aspen
and every world in vrchat would break and have to be re-uploaded
obtuse grotto
I'm glad the finally made the change
floral aspen
And? just because people have been wanting it for months doesn't mean it's going to come any faster.
obtuse grotto
*They
crisp ruin
well eventually vrchat is making the switch to a newer version of unity. its a matter of when. i think it will use multiple cores then
grand thistle
but it's just we want to hear they they are working on it not just wait for it when it maybe doesn't come
floral aspen
it will Bleu, thanks to Unity 2018's job system
crisp ruin
tupper has said that they are going to update eventually
grand thistle
as a lot of people are leaving as the fps is getting worse and worse it feels like vrchat is dying
floral aspen
drag, they are aware of the benefits of upgrading to unity 2018 as well as people's desire for the upgrade, but it's not something that is simple to do.
errant vault
People are using unoptimized avatars
grand thistle
it's like they wan't more polygons but not optimize their moddels
floral aspen
polys have nothing to do with it Reece
crisp ruin
its a blend of shitty unoptimized avatars and worlds and unoptimized game
floral aspen
it's avatars with dozens of materials and tons of dynamic bones
grand thistle
it's more of like more meshes and other things then polygons but adding more pollygons will make more meshes
floral aspen
drawcalls and ik calculations are the biggest impacts to performance
as long as you have under 65k polys that is fine.
obtuse grotto
Still really intensive
crisp ruin
because it looks better
obtuse grotto
dynamic bones that is
floral aspen
because most people use premade avatars that are bad or don't know how to properly use dynamic bones
fading osprey
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/menus-and-ui-refresh-suggestions Dark moding this would look nice
Also needs a pic of the world when you see the details
grand thistle
i don't have a lot of dynamic bones i don't do it on skirts on my moddels
i have 3 on my main moddels dynamic bones
floral aspen
it does. A material limit and a mesh limit would be nice
grand thistle
it needs checks server side that what they need
errant vault
People would just edit the c# files
grand thistle
not that the sdk check the limits that a server checks it
so it isn't localy stored
tacit plank
Could have it work like the particle limiter - by a config file
floral aspen
you only put the dynamic bone script on the parent bone
grand thistle
i put one dynamic bone scrip on the start of the long hair
errant vault
The root
floral aspen
all children of the bone will be affected by the script
grand thistle
i actual have found some cool things with my moddels some of the older sdk uploads they look different then the new uploads with the same shader
with only an animation extra
errant vault
What about the hundreds of bones in mmd hair models
tardy sable
Yay, update
grand thistle
i only use japanese mmd moddels
floral aspen
that's the issue Green. people are putting dyna bones on all those hair bones and lagging other people
errant vault
They use a lot of materials too
tardy sable
I never wrote here messages
grand thistle
materials are easy to get down just make an atlas
floral aspen
especially now that someone made a material combiner add-on for blender
grand thistle
i hate deviant art moddels those are so hard to get in vrchat and when you do they are crap
tacit plank
I'm successful 90% of the time
errant vault
It's their first project +_-
velvet kite
its 2018, give us the 500k poly limit already
grand thistle
i download all of my moddels from nicovideo or bowlroll
tacit plank
Unity is too retarded to handle a number of polygons above 2^16
grand thistle
but i'm now trying to get vroidstudio moddels working
floral aspen
probably because it's hard to get super high detailed models with just an anime style albedo texture. You can have a fairly low poly model but add normal and specular maps and it will look much more detailed than those 100k poly mmds
grand thistle
i got vroid 1.0 3 days before public but i could use it as it was only japanese
but now its getting usefull but i canot get them in blender or unity still newer unity has support for it
from what i heard
but not looked it it to get it in new unity and try to get it from new to a different file that works in the one vrchat uses
those are .vrm files
they are intended to work good for vr usage
floral aspen
.vrm support has been suggested on the canny and I think the devs responded
errant vault
Are people still freaking out about people borrowing their custom avatars? I seeing giant watermarks above people's avatars +_-
grand thistle
well it is a problem
but it's becoming less of a problem
they did good things in terms of security updates but moddel stealing is always going on
floral aspen
yes Green, they are
errant vault
It just doesn't look right to present avatars like that.
regal folio
shrug
velvet kite
I find it funny how people freak out about stolen avatars when they're using stolen models
floral aspen
it's kinda dumb though, unless you have a completely 100% custom made avatar and not a shitty kit-bash, then it's understandable
grand thistle
some of the kit bash things are good tho
but some are realy why
i know were to get your moddel and the other thing i can also find
floral aspen
some of them can look good yes, but at the end of the day it's still a kit-bash.
errant vault
People sometimes copy my avatar and we role-play as twins.
floral aspen
If someone steals it then it's no different than if they decided to use the exact same pieces for their kit-bash
grand thistle
i just use a premade moddel form a site but it's not a common moddel but i don't have a gaint watermark
a lot of people i know know it's me even tho some maps have it and i don't care
but mine is a lot more custom shader wise
errant vault
My models are made from scratch. I have no worries playing as a squirrel.
grand thistle
it's just hard for me to swap off the moddel i use
as i used it for 7 months atleast
floral aspen
I've been on VRChat for almost a year now and still use the same avatar that I first uploaded
grand thistle
i use a Aoba Suzukaze moddel the main character of the anime new game
but i did some tweaks to it
floral aspen
can you guess what model I use? lol
vocal shard
kanna ?
grand thistle
no idea there are too manny moddels
errant vault
I play as a future like squirrel named rogu. I'm commonly mistaken as Sandy cheeks
vocal shard
lemme guess
is it
tidus?
Whoops, thanks for letting me know @regal folio !
I'll get that fixed up in the next build^^
floral aspen
@vocal shard ding ding ding!
floral aspen
you win a Tidus laugh
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA
floral aspen
I do not
grand thistle
i use ryzen
vocal shard
and can they attest that it runs well on VRChat?
errant vault
No, ven wins head pat
vocal shard
:D
proud lance
Yup I have ryzen
grand thistle
it works good for vrchat ryzen
rocky latch
Hello everybody! I need help. I'll outline my problem. Basically in-game video and audio does not appear for me. Specifically I refer to karaoke and nightclub worlds. Everyone around me can see / hear but I can't. I have of course turned up my Sound FX. What is the source of my problem?
proud lance
I have a ryzen 5 it works good for vrchat
floral aspen
depends on which ryzen you get. 3, 5, or 7
grand thistle
the only thing is too much cores for vrchat
what you can pay and what other things you plan to do
vocal shard
which cpu do you both have? im trying to help a friend with a budget VR build ($1000) and i wanna try to get the cost as low as possible while still being able to play at 45fps
grand thistle
i use ryzen 7 2700x
floral aspen
I have an i7-4790k
vocal shard
and i only know intel
grand thistle
i say ryzen 2000 series if it's gaming but depends on what you can squeze in
floral aspen
the ryzen 7 is amd's i7 competitor
proud lance
Ryzen 5 2400g here and it works good for vrchat I just could use a better graphics card lol
vocal shard
firetik, do you play on desktop or vr btw
proud lance
Vr
grand thistle
if it's to run vr i say you should get a gtx 1070 or above and then look at what processor you can squeeze in
vocal shard
issue is main thing they'd play is VRChat
grand thistle
if you can the the 1070 ti cheaper the the 1070 go for the ti
vocal shard
and cough cough dynamic bones cough cough
grand thistle
i say ryzen 5 2000 series
vocal shard
tidus, you use the ripped model or another model ?
proud lance
Yeah get the ryzen 5 series it should work completely fine for vrchat for being on a budget
grand thistle
the 2000 series is just a lot better clock speed the the original ryzens
floral aspen
@vocal shard the ripped ps2 high poly model
proud lance
Yeah the 2400 is what I have and it's good and can handle pretty much everything
grand thistle
you can even use the stock cooler that comes with the chip also so no need to an other cooler
floral aspen
you can go lower than a 1070. I have a 980 which is almost equivalent to a 1060 and I do just fine
grand thistle
i have a different one than stock becouse i wan't my cpu cooler even tho it's huge the cooler
floral aspen
nope, 980
grand thistle
it was cheaper then 1070 for me the 1070 ti
floral aspen
I haven't checked prices on the 1070ti lately
vocal shard
fuck what do i do
proud lance
Lol and prices should be going down a bit more with the release of the 2000 series
grand thistle
you should get 16 gb of ram 8 is good but 16 is just a lot better
tacit plank
I got 32, but that was when it was cheap
grand thistle
the gtx1070 sc is 389.99 on amazon.com
grand thistle
it's on sale
proud lance
Lmso
tacit plank
The best ram on the market at the time, paid like 250$ for 32GB
tacit plank
Now it's 1000+
proud lance
Lmao was gonna say $38k for a GPU is a little high XD
vocal shard
why is RAM fucking $150 for 16gb
floral aspen
I also have 32gb of RAM
grand thistle
2*8 is the best option of ram
floral aspen
but I'm also still on DDR3
tacit plank
If you buy ram seperate, it might not dual or quad channel properly?
vocal shard
i kno im a firm believer in 16gb myself
grand thistle
8gb is not even enough for google chrome
vocal shard
i just wish it didnt cost so much
floral aspen
yeah RAM is pretty expensive right now
proud lance
Yeah I need to upgrade my ram I only have 8gb
median basalt
I just got a noise complaint because I talked in my room at 10 PM
At normal volume
Window was open because it's hot
vocal shard
talk louder next time
floral aspen
some people are really petty
you should file a noise complaint for some basic shit just to spite them
grand thistle
my pc has ryzen 7 2700x 16gb ram and a 1070ti
true sky
why i hate apartment complexes
grand thistle
it's the best all round pc even tho i whould add more ram if it was cheaper
vocal shard
you have any animation on it, Tidus ?
floral aspen
I have the tidus laugh as a gesture override
I also have the RYNO V from Ratchet and Clank on it as well lol
glad rose
Fyi you're missing out on free fps if your case doesn't contain an anime girl inside
grand thistle
i rember in tha past no gesture for desktop users so you needed to be creative to have music on moddelds as desktop user
i still have those old music moddels but now it's like they are useless
floral aspen
if you're on desktop you can just use virtual line-in and you're golden
floral aspen
mhmm, I wanna do energy rain and blitz ace
grand thistle
i can play music from my pc and have it in my mic and vrchat sound not in it and then my mic is also in it
ruby needle
@crisp moth be carefull with it tho
ruby needle
still be carefull
grand thistle
for sure if you have youtubers added you need to be safe
ruby needle
you do have the skill to do it
but that doesnt mean the avarage user has
and updates can easily sneak in things too
grand thistle
i have a lot of them added so i need to be realy save
as i have shai added and some other youtuber/streamer
crisp moth
Well I had a chat with the Creator of the app and they are really nice people, I don't think they'd ever add anything harmful.
grand thistle
they could have one malicious dev
and there are a lot of security flaws in software
crisp moth
It's open source so everything gets released publicly before it's uploaded to the app store.
grand thistle
but i'm not going to get in to the real tech stuff that no one will understand
floral aspen
lots of people here are tech savvy drag. Saying that we won't understand it makes you sound pretentious
grand thistle
and open source someone bad can compile a version with something bad in it and upload it
it's also not good to talk about security tech stuff online that is more the reason
crisp moth
Only the actual developer can release it to the app store.
So anything malisious is always watched for if some adds something.
Hey aev
floral aspen
A wild Aev appeared
placid umbra
We do not recommend using any 3rd party mobile applications, please do not discuss it further.
crisp moth
Oh alright I'm sorry
vocal shard
the prone thing is the rifle animation from mixamo
crisp moth
How are you, Aev?
placid umbra
In short, anything that asks for your login details (that isn't an official VRChat page or service) is a bad idea
I'm doing well, yourself?
crisp moth
I'm alright, just hopped off VRChat.
fringe glade
Code is opensource tho.
crisp moth
^
fringe glade
It's just using the website.
placid umbra
Lots of people won't know how to look at code to see if it's safe or not, also there's no guarantee that the code you're shown is also what is being used in the actual application
For many reasons, it's just not something we want discussed here.
ruby needle
nah