vrchat-general-2

[median basalt]

Oof, I accidentally left shadows enabled on a mesh particle system with like 300 meshes at a time

[umbral reef]

Bad rokk

[ebon bear]

would vive leg trackers work with oculus rift

[safe prism]

if you buy vive base stations, yes

[median basalt]

Which is pretty doable, considering the base stations only need power and not a USB port each

Apparently you need to kinda get your rift and leg tracker positions in sync but otherwise it's good

[scarlet patio]

the most recent update is a joke, it seems like every 2 seconds im getting an error of "vrchat is not responding." or "vrchat has timed out." even though it was working perfectly fine?

[frank zealot]

how do you set your audio to "global"

[median basalt]

In a world, set the spread to 2D and increase the minimum and maximum distance to something high @frank zealot

If you're talking about audio sources

[median crypt]

Does anyone know who made the "Tell your word" world? I cant find it anymore. :c

[vocal shard]

They are prob updating it

check back in 24 hours maybe

[polar jasper]

It got taken down when Web panels were removed

[vocal shard]

Oof

[tiny oxide]

guys help me
vr chat is not responding'' it says and sends me to default home
i cant have fun
anymore

they dont give a shit the mods

nor they telling something

so unpleasent i cant even talk to my friends 10 seconds

its like hey dude we are in middle of a conversation but sorry im just gonna leave the world

because vr chat not responding

[vocal shard]

Check your connection @tiny oxide

[tiny oxide]

my connection is cool

im at discord atm

[polar jasper]

Doesn't mean you have connection issues.

[tiny oxide]

im not the one getting it

if its about my connection

why another having it

[polar jasper]

Could be a routing point then

[frank zealot]

how do you set your audio source to 2d

[quasi egret]

Hello.

[vocal shard]

hi

[placid pumice]

hewwo

[quasi egret]

How are you all?

[tiny oxide]

i hate vr chat

[vocal shard]

fine and you ?

[tiny oxide]

svelsien go dm yourself dude

[vocal shard]

@tiny oxide you look like you need love

wut ?

oh, i blocked him lmao

[tiny oxide]

yes i do

please dont block me good sir svelsien

what would i do without your precious attention

[modern sand]

#general-media thanks

[vocal shard]

ruuubick

the damn #development-advanced still didnt get an updated description

me sad

[modern sand]

Didn't i do it last time you mentioned ?

[vocal shard]

you just gave me an 👌

[modern sand]

Weird, i remember doing it, should be good now, let me know if it reverts for some reason.

[vocal shard]

thanks 👌

[tiny oxide]

ruubick

pls help

[umbral reef]

You know Xecu- its hard to help people if they dont even tell what the problem is

[vocal shard]

pretty sure he is screaming about something that we can't do anything about

check #user-support-old

ruuubick already told him what to do

Well well~, it’s not as bad as the complaints I keep hearing from one of the “RP” Discord servers I’m in.

My server keeps on complaining about “hackers in public worlds” and I don’t think they ever check this server at all to be honest...

Not to mention, I don’t think they have even joined this server to check any report or bugs that have been fixated.

people always overexaggerate stuff

[umbral reef]

Complaining is easier then finding a fix you know 👀

[vocal shard]

Agreeable, Oclac.

Otherwise~... “Strength” (x

[river star]

and the only active worlds are still presentation room and the pug

this game is so much harder to play than it used to be

[umbral reef]

Most users started to hide in friends+ worlds

[median basalt]

It kinda sucks

[river star]

yea but all my good friends i met don't play anymore

[median basalt]

There's almost no popular maps other than the damn Pug

With its realtime/mixed lights in random places

[vocal shard]

the pug is lagy and full of crashers/hackers

presentation room is full of russian

enjoy

[median basalt]

I stay out of presentation room

But at least the Pug is doable for me

[vocal shard]

Rooskie~

I love the way they talk in their language.

Except~... I’m not too sure if they would like a Japanese person like me )x

they dont like anybody

so probably not

[umbral reef]

He will bite in dm's

Be careful

[vocal shard]

is my god damn name invisible or what

good song tho

[small wing]

Anyone know the general numbers for update rate for a vrchat world?

i usually just set it to 130 but i think im doing it wrong

its under the vrc_world object

[vocal shard]

Hm~... reminds me of the rumors of the secret room inside the world “The Great Pug”

People say it’s creepy.

[median basalt]

There is a method to access that secret Dire Pug map

But it's solo only so nobody ever bothers because what is the point?

[vocal shard]

I don’t have VR either.

[small wing]

i can just no clip with a collider

now i wanna see it

[median basalt]

You can do the secret sequence of events to open the basement door

[vocal shard]

Launches Garry’s Mod

[polar jasper]

It's part of the Mr Whiskers puzzle event

[median basalt]

Which I find incredibly stupid lol

I hate ARG's and this is by far the most obnoxious one I've ever seen

[vocal shard]

ARG?

[median basalt]

All for some shitty self promotion

[small wing]

oof

[median basalt]

And like most other ARG's, it doesn't lead anywhere

[small wing]

good point

[vocal shard]

What is an ARG ;-;

[median basalt]

I don't know the exact definition

But they expect people to solve puzzles across multiple maps basically

Or whatever

[small wing]

very few do

[median basalt]

Nobody cares about the ARG lmao

[polar jasper]

augmented reality games

[vocal shard]

Assuming they made it because of Ready Player One

BF4 Easter Egg Flashbacks

The pain...

The f*cking pain )x

[median basalt]

They tried to make a huge deal about the Mr whiskers thing but nothing ever came of it

[umbral reef]

ARG's are fun when done right and online

[median basalt]

Instead they just annoyed the crap out of everyone

[umbral reef]

The second something for the average user gets annoying- Its an not greato ARG

[vocal shard]

wasn't the prize a Gun Model and playmaker?

[median basalt]

I guess that's off the table then lol

[small wing]

My gun model would have been better anyways :^)

[vocal shard]

not really tbh

[small wing]

eat me

it is

mine is an arm cannon

[vocal shard]

I rather waste my time finding a similar gun on the web somewhere

and having a free playmaker

[umbral reef]

ARG's are about the fun anyway btw

Most often there is no proper reward bound to it anyway

[small wing]

well yeah.

but still, very little backstory and too much work in the arg is what kills an arg.

it wasn't fun. at all.

[vocal shard]

I don’t see the point of an ARG in VRChat to be honest.

[small wing]

it would have worked if it was easier to ingest

[vocal shard]

I find VRChat just as a game for people to gather and talk; make new friends.

[umbral reef]

There is never an point to an ARG

[vocal shard]

^

[umbral reef]

But making it for something instead of 'its a thing' might have been more dope

[vocal shard]

Oclac, I don’t want to change the topic at all~

But like~, your Profile Picture is catching my eye too much.

[umbral reef]

C:

[vocal shard]

Because I know where you got that from (x

https://pasteboard.co/HBUuxAx.jpg

Lol, what a meme.

That movie did kind of look like that, haha~

[umbral reef]

More oclac :^)

Ow

Yea that would also be cool

[vocal shard]

More ready player one references?

got you covered

I ripped the models from the VR game called Ready Player One

me and a friend are making them into a VRChat gamemode

[small wing]

What if the lore leads down an abstract pathway to the devs since the beginning and their own stories conveyed via an alternate reality.

[umbral reef]

Its not that insane to make a lore of stuff

[vocal shard]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/779650/Ready_Player_One_OASIS_beta/ incase anyone is interested

[umbral reef]

Legit just pick a topic-
Take a logic event of 'happenings' to get to the current state
Throw up names from well known to semi well known users with the communities and thats it

Real? No-

Its an VR game

[mighty galleon]

Hi

[umbral reef]

You keep everything within VR topic

[small wing]

what if the lore is about a magical fart that created the metaverse

😉

[mighty galleon]

The all might vrpill once devotees all his life to create the hub, but alas it has bend destroyed but Evey time it comes back it's pale in comparison to the original

[small wing]

all soiled by the villan known as the all frame killing gods of grabpass portals.

and the lack of knowledge to TURN THEM OFF.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[floral flax]

┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go

[small wing]

They liked my tweet about it, i expect a fix soon or else 🔫

reeeeee

[mighty galleon]

The presentation room is where all the mighty admin congregate together to create plans and draw out what they look like. But it was soon overturned by squeakers and the admins were banished

[small wing]

the hub is so good but i cant manage a good framerate

cause portals

[umbral reef]

@river star I am shit at writing anything so im not even going to try
But big lore driven things like Warhammer 40K or Shadowrun

[small wing]

Kingdom hearts lore tho

imagine how emotional that would have been in vr

like actually being there

[umbral reef]

Most expensive lore idea's started from legit nothing but the core of the game/games

[sweet meadow]

can you please add "unreasonable abuse of the kick function" to ban reasons. Im sick of getting kicked for having spawn particles below 20k and some neandertals thinking it laggs and kick me. Purge these nonames that ruin vrc

honestly, i would flame if i would really spam 1000 emission or some dumb shit, but a few particles and a 5 meter audio saying "me obibo" , cmon

if that lags, you either have a taiwanese fake FX-8350 or you just suck in total 😂

so sad that ppl think particles are against tos

[thorny lark]

I'd just block you, no need for kick

[sweet meadow]

like sorry for being capable of more than adjust viewpoint and not doing unoptimized dynamic bones

yee

[umbral reef]

Most people instantly think particles means crashs avatars ...

[sweet meadow]

normies can block me, that is not a loss

[umbral reef]

But lmao

Fucking 40 material avatars

or any avatar with dynamic bones

[sweet meadow]

virgins anyway

[umbral reef]

Does more harm

[sweet meadow]

but that kicking ruins your uploadpermission

so i always block or just leave lobby cuz i dont understand that new system

and i dont wanna ruin someones uploadpermission just for being a normie so i leave

kicking ppl for particles is the same as kicking ppl because of their origin, religion or whatever, since u can customize your avatar in any way u want

[pine pilot]

how long is the time i have to spend on my account to be able to upload avatars

[umbral reef]

Read the most recent pin in this channel

[pine pilot]

it doesnt really tell anything about time

[umbral reef]

(Maybe because it has nothing to do with it)

[pine pilot]

well why do you tell me to check pin?

i asked you question you didnt even give me answere

[umbral reef]

Because it explains all the other information you could need

Me just saying "None" would just make you ask more stuff

While you can just search for all official information there is without a problem and know just as much as any other user

[pine pilot]

i know those things i just wanted to know the time

well its common sense that if i would ask here i could potentially get answere but i just got some smartass

[umbral reef]

people ahve been accepted within 6 hours- Even 2
Some got over 80 and didnt get it yet

[pine pilot]

thank you

[vocal shard]

Making/adding friends and not getting kicked speeds up the process tremendously too

[pine pilot]

what 50 friends in few hours sounds like XD

[vocal shard]

"That was fast." lol

[lean dagger]

"kicking ppl for particles is the same as kicking ppl because of their origin, religion or whatever, since u can customize your avatar in any way u want" lmao

[tacit wing]

you know, unless they're crashing people from the server with particles

then it's more like kicking ppl because their origin is in murdering innocents

[ruby needle]

i know that some people tinkered with filters that only work with VR

no

ways to only make VR users be able to do a specific thing

in the case i saw it is getting teleported to the actual place

while desktop users would just get stuck at spawn and not ported

not sure if any of this is in a public world

well if you make a world with that fiter

it basically is a vr only world

[rough pulsar]

There used to be a time when desktop users were a small minority.

I think part of what gives desktop users something of a bad reputation is how it's harder for them to... understand I guess? that they are present in a space with other people and their actions have an actual effect on them. That difficulty caused by the greater 'distance' between them as a person and what is happening in vrchat, mainly caused by the greater separation between person-controller-view, compared to VR users where the person-controller-view are practically on top of each other.

And when I say understand, I mean it in the way that you understand the true size of a skyscraper by standing next to it and looking up.

I guess, yeah.

[vocal shard]

also There is actually a vr only world as well Tupper made one, but i never see anyone in it,

Wait i tagged the wrong person

[rough pulsar]

LOL WOOPS
I have a world I'm working on that might end up being VR only simply due to some of the mechanics I'm thinking of including.

I'd say it has some connection with the popularity explosion being meme-assisted.

And not even a good meme at that.

The Red Plague

[vocal shard]

I understand Reece, its a pain jumping into a world, and overlay shaders , etc etc

i block by default again now which sucks but its to aviod crashing due to user made "stuff"

"laser pointers" "balls of death" "shader things"

[rough pulsar]

Regardless of what direction VRChat winds up going, I'd suggest getting into VR anyway.

[vocal shard]

yeah, i used to make cwl animations all the time with some friends we all stopeed cause all our stuff was stolen

in before motion sickness

But yeah i hope most of the bad things in vrchat, die down more or get sorted

[wicked vault]

I took my chance again in an Open Mic Night last night.
After some lag spikes I got a message telling me I was disconnected because the game "was not responding".
I lift up my headset and the window isn't frozen

Mod ban was clearly fake, this left something to be desired...

...I still didn't trust it, so I still ALT + F4'd

I was having some convos with friends about this

One thing that can clear a hell of a lot up is if there had to be an approval process to upload avatars

[vocal shard]

My opnion and from what i know, theres a lot wrong right now, but i just hide away in my safe private rooms

[native geyser]

Sadly with how the game exploded and has now been made more visible to a lot of users there are bound to be those who find “fun” in ruining the experience for others

[wicked vault]

Many of the "hacker scares" seem to be more just in the realm of crashing and scare tactics through that

[native geyser]

Which is of course in direct conflict rule #1 “Be excellent to each other”

[vocal shard]

and adding more mods/pepole to go round cheking rooms out for theese pepole woudnt fix the problem, as they can come back quite easy

[scarlet patio]

people can still go through a vpn to get around that

[vocal shard]

even if they do do thoose sort of bans, its not a hard thing to spoof/bypass

[wicked vault]

What purpose does copying an account serve though

[umbral reef]

Hardware bans are far from insane to bypass

Its often an file or a line of information stored on your computer from the program

[wicked vault]

I mean, your own account, sure

[umbral reef]

Or they check the part number's/ids

[vocal shard]

from some pepole i know, ive heard with the admin expliot its been crazy, and i hope they fix it

[umbral reef]

You can remove the first type and bypass the second with programs

[scarlet patio]

nothing really crazy though

only crazy thing is how laggy the worlds are with the steps put forward to make it "less laggy"

at least that's how it feels to me :c

[vocal shard]

youd be supprised how much of that is down to avatars.

like pepole to to atlas etc make them less laggy

[umbral reef]

VRC does not influence world lagg or avatar lagg tho

[scarlet patio]

you'd be surprised that i block avatars

[vocal shard]

less draw calls etc

[native geyser]

Considering that the game is run off of community generated content I’m surprised most of it runs as well as it does

[vocal shard]

maps too aswell

[umbral reef]

Its easy-
Anything below 56K poly's is ok
Less materials the better (best to stay under the 10 atleast.. Cats pluging can do it without a problem)
Try not use heavy scripts like dynamic bones a lot

Reece- Id suggest just reading this chat for a week

You get the same base complaints weekly/monthly

[scarlet patio]

The slower loading of avatars just makes it laggier I feel, not a visual improvement over last update imo

[vocal shard]

"Merge your meshes" - tupper

[wicked vault]

This is also why an approval process for avatar uploading would be beneficial

[scarlet patio]

too many people to approve avatars for

[wicked vault]

Sucks for testing, but would weed out crashers pretty well

[scarlet patio]

if we assume all 7 k people on vrchat make their own avatars

[umbral reef]

Better spread of information and better limits would be the go to

[native geyser]

Would also be a headache if trying to push small updates for testing

[scarlet patio]

too many people to sift through

[vocal shard]

True, untill they get sneaky

[rough pulsar]

@umbral reef For some interesting reason, the max number of polys unity will take before it splits the mesh into a second draw call is the largest 16bit integer, 65536.

[umbral reef]

Also spreading the information that most website who provide easy websites that you throw in unity are a must not use

[vocal shard]

also i used to upload around 14 avatsr a day when testing animations.

[umbral reef]

@rough pulsar Wait at 65K not 56K?

[vocal shard]

that would kill me

[umbral reef]

Numbers are hard :notlikethis:

[wicked vault]

mfw Unity tells me 19,995 polys "won't run well on most systems"

[vocal shard]

[rough pulsar]

https://forum.unity.com/threads/65535-vertices-limit.294585/
Ah, it's a vertex limit, not poly. @umbral reef

So you might be right with the ~5k amount

[vocal shard]

unity is splitting the mesh at 65,534 vertices

[wicked vault]

Whole game Optimization overall would be nice

[rough pulsar]

Early Access

[vocal shard]

i hate that about unity

[scarlet patio]

early access?

we had to pay for vrchat?

did i preorder?

[umbral reef]

Whole game optimization is using one material one poly avatars without anything on the screen :^)

[vocal shard]

imagine paying for vrchat in the stat it's in now

[umbral reef]

Jessie- A free game can also be early acess

[scarlet patio]

oh i know

[vocal shard]

tbh id love to pay for this game, it would sift out a lot of pepole

[umbral reef]

Scummy companies ask for money when its early aces

[scarlet patio]

it's just most early access games make a profit then run off

[umbral reef]

Good companies provide stuff as testing or dirt cheap when its not finished yet

[wicked vault]

I don't think they can charge, tbh

[scarlet patio]

O wouldn't use early access as an excuse for vrchat is all

I*

[native geyser]

I definitely would

[wicked vault]

Because of all the intellectual properties being used in game, they'd face hella legal action

[scarlet patio]

they can't charge otherwise lawsuits everywhere

[wicked vault]

Honestly, I think I would too if it were able to be possible to pay

There's merit to that statement

[umbral reef]

Reece would you have tried out the game if it was payed?

[scarlet patio]

not to mention community backlash from people who bought vr just for that

[odd blaze]

Secondlife had that waay early days, had to actually pay once for access, now its free but its pretty old now anyway, would i pay for vrchat ? yes

[umbral reef]

Id have played another game that was alike instead

[vocal shard]

ive been at vrchat since oct 2016 id love to pay for it and woudnt mind

[scarlet patio]

vrchat also only had a surge in popularity because it's appeal of free to play and its community of youtubers and streamers

[vocal shard]

and the "red bois"

[umbral reef]

Red bois where a result of the viral memes though

Or atleast in its end state

[scarlet patio]

but it wouldn't be where it is today if it was pay 2 play m8

[wicked vault]

There's a certain second nature that you adopt playing VRChat, in VR specifically that makes it difficult to find better similar experiences

[vocal shard]

yeah thats the problem, they would loose alot of pepole

[native geyser]

I remember I was drawn to vrchat when I found out I could upload custome models and that I didn’t need vr to run it

[scarlet patio]

I would've been turned off by a paywall tbh, and not met so many wonderful new people

[umbral reef]

But fuck hell-
I would honest to god never pay for na game without real content...
The game only special thing is: VR and make your own stuff

[vocal shard]

^^ true

[native geyser]

Don’t think I would have thought about it if there was a paywall being a desktop user

[scarlet patio]

same, when i heard vrchat didn't need VR i was in cuz i had a friend

[wicked vault]

I was convinced when I was talking to someone and strangely felt just as immersed even though I was on desktop

[umbral reef]

If i pay for a game i expect some hours of proper fun- Im far from shy from throwing money at devs blindly once they proven themself
But all this game appeal is from other people

I can get that from buying minecraft again

Or playing a mmo

[wicked vault]

Then the leap to VR sealed the deal

[scarlet patio]

yeah, even desktop was immersive back when i played

[umbral reef]

Lost users cant be gained back though

[scarlet patio]

^^^

You also have to think of the dev team's morale

[wicked vault]

Sudden spacial awareness was an unmatched experience

[umbral reef]

Its hard to get users back into the game once they are fully fed up with it

[scarlet patio]

if they have a lot of people playing and enjoying their game, naturally devs would want to improve it

this is why games like starcraft 1 and stuff get remastered

[wicked vault]

Yea I hate that these "hacker scares" are deterring people away

[scarlet patio]

what...?

[wicked vault]

Sounds like the former to me

given a choice

[scarlet patio]

like, the latter still exists though

[umbral reef]

None really

im fairly sure an inbetween

I play the game for shitposting memes, exploring worlds and socializing

[wicked vault]

I think the latter is the problem right now

[umbral reef]

I dont play it a lot because of time

But i have often spend hours looking just at worlds

And all my avatars have shitty memes

[scarlet patio]

right now the closed community we have is pretty toxic tbh

and the non toxic people are just trying to enjoy themselves

[umbral reef]

An community like this gets toxic fast though when it gets into small groups

[scarlet patio]

ffs

there are GANG WARS in vrchat

[umbral reef]

Its always like that online

[wicked vault]

I mean, if you've built up your friend circle enough, you should be OK, but we really shouldn't be feeling afraid to go into public worlds

[scarlet patio]

I feel annoyed if anything

[umbral reef]

There are also gang wars on minecrat servers or roblox
There are GOS (Grief on sight) in all those but also OW and LoL

[scarlet patio]

not afraid, but annoyed cuz there's high poly bullshit

yeah but like, for a game like vrchat I didn't expect crasher gang wars

legit just like the next town over gangs

okay

[umbral reef]

Just think of everything online like a school playground of the 'though guys' wanting to impress there friends

they do all silly stuff

[scarlet patio]

do not use youtube nor twitch as a basis for any games

people can fake enjoyment and cut the vids to what they want you to see

[wicked vault]

Well, there are the occasional diamonds in the rough

[scarlet patio]

that's how it's always been

[wicked vault]

in public worlds

[umbral reef]

Reece- Plenty of the youtubers are or

1. In friends+ worlds
2. Toxic as fuck themself
3. Dont play a lot anymore because of the same shit we have

And as said- Everything is cut

[scarlet patio]

private worlds

[umbral reef]

12 hours of video can be 3 minutes of moments

and even then- most of the time friends+ worlds are just chilling and talking

Kinda discordVR

[scarlet patio]

everyone has a different good side of the game tho

the crashers enjoy the bullshit they make

[wicked vault]

I do find it fascinating how seemlessly discord and VRC integrated

[native geyser]

My advice to anyone trying to find less toxic users is to attend some events. Players going to the events are typically very chill

[scarlet patio]

the memers enjoy themselves

normal people enjoy themselves as well

everyone on vrchat enjoys their time on it in a different way

[wicked vault]

Anonymity can be a gift and a curse

[scarlet patio]

some use it as a tinder

LOL

[vocal shard]

[scarlet patio]

but you can't stop that my guy

[olive iron]

because you're incompetent... ?

[scarlet patio]

anyone here could just be like " I feel like messing with Reece today" and boom

now your day was possibly ruined

[olive iron]

I'm literally #1 constructive

but you seem to misunderstand something

[scarlet patio]

if you want to make buddies and hang out

[olive iron]

you seem to be thinking you can not meet new people and be social off of vrchat

which is what you're doing rn

[wicked vault]

That's why its beautiful that VRC pairs with Discord almost naturally

[olive iron]

yeah I did

that's what happens when you have a discussion in a public channel

people jump in

and jump out

[wicked vault]

Yea that's how I've been seeing it

[olive iron]

but that's just my two cents

[rapid heath]

jumps in

[wicked vault]

It's beneficial though

[olive iron]

took you that long to notice?

[rapid heath]

jumps out

[scarlet patio]

then vrchat should probably apply a poly limit to worlds, otherwise crashers and the like will join freely into publics still, but idek if the poly limit filter would work if they made a really low poly crash model.

[vocal shard]

4chan: The landfill of the Internet.

[olive iron]

it wouldn't

[scarlet patio]

like have worlds that can be made that only allow certain amounts of poly's

[olive iron]

no 1 change will fix avatar crashes

the scope of avatar crashes is too broad

it's simply too easy

[umbral reef]

Jessie

Polys dont do a lot

[vocal shard]

Mesh, shader, particle client etc

[scarlet patio]

idk and idc, im just putting forward ideas or w/e

[umbral reef]

Also

[wicked vault]

Partly because there was barely any moderation on it to begin with

[scarlet patio]

to help with this "toxic" side of the community that won't ever actually go away

[umbral reef]

Making avatars better optimized-
Low material low dynamic bones

Is WAYS better

[wicked vault]

Otherwise, they'd be checking on intellectual properties too]

[scarlet patio]

yeah well

i don't make many avatars so my knowledge is limited

[wicked vault]

Approval 👏 process 👏 on 👏 avatars

[olive iron]

lul

[vocal shard]

No

[olive iron]

so basically no more new avatars

[vocal shard]

yeah

no

[scarlet patio]

will 👏 not 👏 work 👏

[umbral reef]

👏 4 👏 months 👏 to 👏 test 👏 one 👏 avatar 👏

[odd blaze]

Considering i can upload same AV about 70~ times before i get it right 😛 err

[umbral reef]

Who would not enjoy an waiting time like that

[wicked vault]

It's a start

[vocal shard]

A bad one

[olive iron]

no, that's an end

[umbral reef]

Its not- Throwing up proper limits and checking them server side

Tada

Not 40 material avatars

[tacit plank]

Approval is dumb, sorry, I have about 120 avatars uploaded in total, and most didn't work the first time, so I probably did 300-400 uploads

[wicked vault]

Segregate a separate client away from the game or protected mode for testing purposes

[umbral reef]

No 30 dynamic bone hair

[vocal shard]

i never went above 30 dynamic bones on my avatars

[olive iron]

you guys don't do 60 dynamic bone fingers?

[vocal shard]

nah

[tacit plank]

Are avatars even a problem? I have a 970 and I never lag too much for it to be playable

[vocal shard]

but i do one collider for each finger bone

[umbral reef]

All them legg hair needs dynamic bones my dudes

[scarlet patio]

let me ask u this

[vocal shard]

In conclusion: VRChat dev team must do something about restrictions on avatars. Like they must address the issue soon. Or else people are going to keep spamming the chat with the same issue over and over and over again. Like... do something.

[scarlet patio]

are u in vr with the 970

[olive iron]

yes they are a problem

[scarlet patio]

or desktop?

[tacit plank]

I've been in VR with it, not a problem

[olive iron]

avatars crash people too easily

[vocal shard]

don't worry

[wicked vault]

Segregate a separate client away from the game or protected mode for testing purposes
And otherwise I still stick to the approval process, I'm sorry it would begin to weed out crashers

[vocal shard]

the limitation on avatars is coming

Soon......

[umbral reef]

Soooo much extra work though kindred and still-- insane amounts get uploaded

[tacit plank]

Mirrors kill me, but that is probably running out of vmemory. The 970 has a second vmemory storage which is much slower, it caused a lot of discussion when it came out

[vocal shard]

Is it on their planned features on the Canny ? I don't think so

[umbral reef]

The canny is not an roadmap

They can eb working on stuff other then the bug page or suggested things

[scarlet patio]

when i'm working on an avatar I upload multiple times just to change the height of my perspective

[vocal shard]

m8 how do you think i feel with animations etc

[wicked vault]

Gofundme to expand the team then? Then revamp

[scarlet patio]

i'm already reluctant to work with how uploading stuff is rn

[umbral reef]

kindred- You do not understand how an tech company work it seems

20 cooks making an cake wont make it go faster

[vocal shard]

^^ true

[scarlet patio]

@vocal shard I commission most complex avatar eva

all the animations

[wicked vault]

More people for this approval process though

[olive iron]

especially if none of the cooks actively work on the cake

[scarlet patio]

he's not wrong

this is more of a side project m8

[olive iron]

what, there's no reasons for most of these avatar crashes to still be here

most aren't exactly hard to patch

how wouldn't I?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

dunno

[wicked vault]

Gamewide particle limiter?

[olive iron]

click on my nickname

if nothing comes to mind

I have none

[umbral reef]

Reece- There are plenty of smart cookies

[olive iron]

if something does

[vocal shard]

particles crashes already have a fix

[olive iron]

I have some

[wicked vault]

Didn't they sort of do that in the new update?

[umbral reef]

Like ^

[vocal shard]

and it's called particle limiter that you can activate yourself

[umbral reef]

He knows his stuff 😂

[vocal shard]

#particle-limiter-share-settings

[olive iron]

that doesn't fix a lot of particle crashes

there are still ways to get around that

[vocal shard]

it dose

[olive iron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

no

it doesn't

[vocal shard]

it fix all of the particle crash

[olive iron]

that is false

[umbral reef]

@river star Then take it from me

[scarlet patio]

best way to not crash from avatars

[vocal shard]

The dev team could focus on security issues too imo.

except when the dude is going full kamkaze and use them to crash the whole instance

[scarlet patio]

block avatars : ^ )

[vocal shard]

i cant get crahed by them its meshes and shaders which can but are hard to patch

[umbral reef]

Cant get crashed if you dont play 🤔

[vocal shard]

you can crash people with a shader, how to you suggest fixing that ?

[olive iron]

well yes patching every shader is difficult

patching most common ones?

not at all

[vocal shard]

common*

how

They will need to hire security consultants or something.

there user made

[olive iron]

what

[scarlet patio]

everyone uses the same shaders my guy

[vocal shard]

you cant just patch em

[olive iron]

well shaders have something called a name

[vocal shard]

the most common crash is particle crash, putting the limiter will remove 95% of crashes

come on

it aint flex tape

[olive iron]

if there's a shader named

[scarlet patio]

majority of shaders are from the same creator

[olive iron]

"BSOD"

🤔

[vocal shard]

yeah and there add a "1" at the end of the name

[olive iron]

or

"GetCrashed"

🤔 🤔

[scarlet patio]

or

[ivory folio]

or Flat Lit Toon 🤔

[vocal shard]

they just name it something silly like Cubbed Paradox Edit

[scarlet patio]

"Despacito"

[olive iron]

yeah despacito's gotta go

flat lit toon? ez

replace

commonly used shaders = cache andreplace

[vocal shard]

But yeah, try to fix the core issues before adding little features imo.

[scarlet patio]

BUT GUYS WE CAN FAVORITE PEOPLE NOW

: ^ )

[vocal shard]

rio my shader edits then

[scarlet patio]

that is a violation of the 2nd amendment

[vocal shard]

rip*

[olive iron]

🤔

[vocal shard]

what about my ice shader i made for my cirno wings?

Solution: Just add a shader on/off toggle on clientside.

[scarlet patio]

pretty much yeah

[wicked vault]

Let's just see if we can make public worlds not a minefield for "Will my game be locked up over something stupid today?"

[ivory folio]

not everyone wants to use the same dull toon shaders

[olive iron]

yeah that's the easiest one but it looks pretty bad

[scarlet patio]

anywhere they go it's legal issues tbh

[olive iron]

wut

legal issues for what

🤔

[scarlet patio]

for america at least people would cry out against it probs

[olive iron]

so?

[scarlet patio]

we're selfish snobs ova here x)

it causes a headache

[olive iron]

🤔

I think people constantly crashing is also a headache

[wicked vault]

Outrage culture is also a hot topic as of late

[scarlet patio]

^^^^^

@wicked vault DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY HOT TOPIC?!?!?

[wicked vault]

Hell yea, go outside and see the sun, ya hecklord!

[scarlet patio]

I

AM

OFFENDED

YOU'RE GOING TO THE DOGHOUSE BUDDY FOR A LONG TIME FOR HURTING MY FEELINGS

[olive iron]

🤔

[scarlet patio]

but yeah anyways

the shader toggle might be a good addition

but them greenlighting specific shaders is gonna cause outrage for some

[wicked vault]

@river star You'll get shot if you're in public for long periods of time

I just said step outside

[scarlet patio]

clientside?

well, yeah i guess if you use them to hide something

would make one of my models look odd

[wicked vault]

Enjoy that Hashbrown casserole for me, eh?

@river star

Agreed

[scarlet patio]

I personally wouldn't join it tho

[vocal shard]

server is way too big for that i would say

I already said it in the past, but: Implement a way to automatically derender avatars that are too heavy to render. Make it optional in the system menu. Hello better framerate.

[scarlet patio]

besides, then people could troll even more

[olive iron]

cap on the vcs ez

[vocal shard]

you got like 15k people online right now on the server

[olive iron]

yeah and like 4 are messaging

[scarlet patio]

8 k that are active members tho*

of using vrchat that is

[wicked vault]

Yea, still a button to block all, but also dropdowns for blocking up to...

[vocal shard]

Ability to derender individual avatars could be step 1. And ability to derender automatically based on rendering difficulty could be step 2.

[scarlet patio]

also

the cache should clean itself***

[wicked vault]

Yes Teal

[vocal shard]

And we should have the choice of which folder to use for the cache.

[scarlet patio]

like i'd prefer if every time I logged off it cleaned the folder on logging off

[wicked vault]

That could be a toggleable setting though

[scarlet patio]

a lot of the time it's cuz of that folder that i'm lagging cuz there's so much garbo in it ;-;

obviously

some people wouldn't want that so it should be toggle

[wicked vault]

yes

[vocal shard]

Yeah and it's a little scary to get a "running out of storage space" message while playing VRChat because you are using a small SSD for your Windows install and VRChat put the cache on the same drive.

Also: Constant writing on a SSD is no-no.

Sure you can create symbolic links to move the cache elsewhere, but I don't think everyone has the understanding to do so.

[scarlet patio]

yeah

[vocal shard]

"How do I open command prompt ?" said little Jimmy.

[scarlet patio]

i forget even where the cache is in the vrchat folders -.-

[wicked vault]

%appdata% locallow vrchat

[vocal shard]

^

!cleancache

[floral flax]

You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them

[scarlet patio]

config.json would be where the output log is as well right?

trying to locate it so i don't delete it

[vocal shard]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits

%AppData%..\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat

[scarlet patio]

13

GB

.-.

[wicked vault]

Last I looked I only had 3gb o.o

[icy path]

yay finally got verified

[scarlet patio]

that's an indie game or 2 right there

bright side

my vrchat shouldn't be as laggy now that all that is gone

[icy path]

eh

true

I've been having some fps issues lately

sometimes it's fine, sometimes I get 11fps

clear jesus

Yeah

did that already

it works

sometimes...

specs?

I assume no HMD

I need to upgrade my 1060

[wicked vault]

If I'm 90 in a room, a mirror usually drops me to 60 depending

[icy path]

WMR??

oh

head mounted display

:)

[wicked vault]

I can vouch for Windows Mixed Reality

[icy path]

VRChat is the only game I have problems with

rofl

[wicked vault]

I use the Samsung, but people swear by the HP which is usually on sale for as low as 200-215

[icy path]

I'm happy with my vive

[wicked vault]

Only thing besides money that deters me from the vive is the controllers

[icy path]

I'm fine with them tbh

[wicked vault]

WMR has joysticks and touchpads and so does oculus sort of

[icy path]

Although I'm getting knuckles ASAP

[wicked vault]

The knuckles are appealing

[icy path]

I hope valve doesn't license them to HTC ;-;

[frank garnet]

a 9 year old just said they reported me for being mean to my mom

[icy path]

xd what

[olive iron]

ez ban

[frank garnet]

I said I called my mom by her first name

and he said

[olive iron]

4 year ban inc

[frank garnet]

"I'm reporting you"

[icy path]

Valve makes a lot of stuff

[frank garnet]

he said "have fun with ur ban"

he got me guys

[icy path]

they just take the silent approach

[frank garnet]

this 9 year old kid caught be calling my mom her first name

it's over for me

[icy path]

I personally like that they don't take the hype train full of lies approach

[wicked vault]

@frank garnet
Worse than being a crasher who steals avatars confirmed
lmao

[icy path]

cough EA

[frank garnet]

I said "I call my mom by her first name"

"reported for being mean to your mom"

he told me he called his mom the f word once

there's so many f words tho

[scarlet patio]

oculus weighs less on your head

just whatever you do don't get the vive pro

[icy path]

ye

the vive pro is actually very nice

compared to oculus

[scarlet patio]

its not worth it for normal users

too expensive

[upper fox]

but foot tracking

[icy path]

that's true

[wicked vault]

Vive tracking is said to be the superior out of the box

[scarlet patio]

normal vive has that

vive pro has nothing to do with leg tracking

[icy path]

the DAS for the original Vive is still worse than the pro

but it does the job well

[scarlet patio]

not to mention I don't doubt oculus is working on their own leg tracking

[icy path]

not paying 800 EUR for just the headset

[scarlet patio]

^^^^^^

exactly

[icy path]

HTC's BS marketing

[wicked vault]

I'm not clamoring for full body rn, but I have a passing interest

[scarlet patio]

oculus is more comfortable i've heard and experienced for myself

if you want cheap full body

use a kinect xbox

[wicked vault]

Yea you can do that with Mixed too

[scarlet patio]

i know that i could just buy the trackers for vive

[wicked vault]

Can only track from the front though

[icy path]

not been following oculus very much, what are they using for full body tracking?

[scarlet patio]

huh?

nothing right now

but it's probably in development

[icy path]

for future HMD

[wicked vault]

"Technically" you can use the vive trackers with oculus, I've heard

[scarlet patio]

because I know the touch controllers came late compared to vive

you can

but you need the vive tracking stations

essentially you need a vive system without the headset

[icy path]

full body tracking for the vive is not worth it atm

[scarlet patio]

$100 a tracker

[icy path]

120 EUR in EU

[scarlet patio]

needs like 3 trackers for FULL body

[icy path]

you need 3

[wicked vault]

Wouldn't that mean in theory you could also do that with WMR too as long as you bought the base stations and trackers?

[scarlet patio]

and not to mention you have to set up your models as well

[icy path]

120 EUR = 140 USD

[scarlet patio]

if steam vr can recognize it

ofc

really?

[icy path]

yes

[scarlet patio]

it was $100 last i checked

so it went up

[icy path]

not in europe

[scarlet patio]

in U.S. it was only $100 i thought

[icy path]

it is

[scarlet patio]

wow

[icy path]

here it's 140

[scarlet patio]

what a ripoff for you guys

then again

iirc american company probably

shipping and handling

[icy path]

I mean if I would like to buy the trackers off amazon it would cost me 40$ more lmao

[scarlet patio]

yeah

[icy path]

cause europe

[scarlet patio]

my hopes for oculus is that since they seem to release stuff after vive already has it, it's more polished and comfortable

the controllers are one such example

[icy path]

ye

the controllers are amazing

[scarlet patio]

I wouldn't be able to hold the sticks all the time for vive

[icy path]

I'm fine with my wands

[scarlet patio]

the touch controllers help with the immersion i feel though

if i held vive wands, i'd probably be really upset

x)

"This isn't my hand...."

ITS A STICK!

[icy path]

more immersive for beat saber xd

[scarlet patio]

true

[icy path]

PLS VALVE MAKE KNUCKLES GOOD

[scarlet patio]

fair point there unless you modded a model into beatsaber

[icy path]

ye

I tried beat saber with oculus touch and it felt akward and weird

[scarlet patio]

now for me it doesn't feel weird but i'd probably prefer vive if i used it for beatsaber long enough

i wanna play but my oculus is faulty atm

need a new cord for it ;-;

[icy path]

I made a huge mistake of not getting the DAS for my Vive at first

RIP

[scarlet patio]

what's the DAS stand for?

[icy path]

Deluxe Audio Strap

[scarlet patio]

ahhh alright

[icy path]

also I have to get third party facefoam

it literally wore out in like 2 weeks

[scarlet patio]

yeah.... beatsaber destroyed that facefoam

[icy path]

xD

[scarlet patio]

mine's worn down too x.x

peeling bad

[icy path]

mine is not peeling but it feels rough on the skin

[scarlet patio]

ahhhh

[icy path]

thank god I already purchased some better ones off amazon

[scarlet patio]

that must suck, just take it off then?

[icy path]

I mean...

it becomes uncomfortable after some time

[scarlet patio]

yeah..

[icy path]

actually extremely uncomfortable

cause it irritates my skin

[scarlet patio]

maybe you're allergic to the material? or just cuz it's rough?

[icy path]

not allergic to anything

it's really rough

[scarlet patio]

ah so just the motion when using it

[icy path]

wdym

[scarlet patio]

mine is peeling but it doesn't bother me much unless it gets inside the headset and blocks the sensor :/

[icy path]

I already have hand tracking xd

[scarlet patio]

he wants the oculus touch controllers

he's on a different topic of his own is all lol

[icy path]

I just have to code some driver to use my leap motion with SteamVR since it got skeletal input

[scarlet patio]

this language is not my own

lmao

[icy path]

i'm tired ffs

[scarlet patio]

I'm sobering up

from this morning

lmfao

[icy path]

wait what

am I blind?

[scarlet patio]

my australian friends got me drunk this morning x)

and no

you just thought he was talking to you by accident

so you replied because you're tired

[icy path]

reeeeeeee

[scarlet patio]

and thought he was saying you should get controllers

[icy path]

almost 2am what am I doing

[scarlet patio]

that's okay

[icy path]

I have school on monday

[scarlet patio]

i'm waiting on someone who won't wake up til 10 pm EST.

we have labor day here in america

lol

no work \o/

[icy path]

:d

I'm gonna die from chemistry

[scarlet patio]

just don't try to mix jokes with chemistry

[olive iron]

haHAA

[icy path]

no seriously I find it so goddamn boring

[scarlet patio]

I'm serious though

[icy path]

probably not going to learn a single useful thing from my 4 year computer science program

[scarlet patio]

:/ that sucks

self taught or something?

[icy path]

yes

Lemme tell you the program

1st year: how to build and troubleshoot a computer //I already know

[scarlet patio]

also, the reason you don't mix jokes with chemistry is cuz all the good ones Ar.

[icy path]

2nd year: coding with JavaScript //I already know C#, HTML and CSS

[scarlet patio]

well then it should be easy and then you can have a degree to prove it

[icy path]

it doesn't really bother me

just the other subjects

[scarlet patio]

eh college is hard, so good luck, i gotta go for awhile

clean stuff up maybe watch some shows or something

later o/

[icy path]

the PROBLEM is

I'm going to high school not college

[scarlet patio]

at least you get college education in high school

we're clueless in the U.S

[icy path]

seriously?

[tacit plank]

College is not too hard I think, at least here

I had to write about 3-4 pages in various subjects every few weeks, it sucked, but it was doable. I hear Uni is much worse

[icy path]

that's why I would like to take lessons from subject I actually have interest in

[tacit plank]

That usually comes later, school is many useless subjects that you have to learn before you're allowed to spend time on anything interesting 😛

[icy path]

I sign up for computer science

gets chemistry slapped to the face

S A L T

a mountain of salt

[winged depot]

ok so need help. trying to get type to voice chat from windows 10 store to either be detected by vb cable output, or by voicemeeter.. ive tried setting the wwa host output to vb cable and to voicemeeter and neither are detecting the program when i watch the volume

[icy path]

um

do you mean TTS?

[winged depot]

it is a tts program yes

[icy path]

wery bad

[winged depot]

im not having any better luck with clownfish though...

clownfish lags me to home after 8-10 uses which is vvery annoying

[icy path]

I forgot the name of the program

reee

[winged depot]

it works for me.. just kicks me to home after mutiple uses so ive just given up on it

[icy path]

clownfish is bad

[winged depot]

the problem is 90% of the programs use web service

[icy path]

you actually gave me an idea to make my own voice changer

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

'

[winged depot]

so it lags when trying to translate and return with the sentences

[icy path]

google translate

[winged depot]

again that would be the same problem. if i go into the preference and try to set my webpage as an output to vm cable. it doesnt detect it. ive tried using a tts site before this

vb cable*

[icy path]

eeeeeeee

not really familiar with VB cable so can't really help you

[vocal shard]

How do you change the audio output in VRChat?

[candid birch]

A moderator has warned you that you are about to be banned in 10 minutes for misconduct

[lethal meteor]

oh no

[vocal shard]

Who?

Me?

._.

[median basalt]

Change your default audio device in windows

[vocal shard]

That won't work

I need to either change Firefox's output, or VRChat's

[median basalt]

There might be applications that can create custom audio outputs and route certain applications through them

[vocal shard]

I know

but it's not working how I want

I mean like how Discord and Steam lets you set Audio Output individually

[small wing]

REEEEEEEEE

GRABPASS PORTALS ARE BREAKING MY WORLD

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[floral flax]

┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go

[small wing]

i had to forbid user portals now

i wanna jump off my roof

[lethal meteor]

be careful, someone reversed gravity :<

[small wing]

good

let me fall forever

at least its better than this

https://giphy.com/gifs/comp-Ptrxp1VCbHkdO

[clever osprey]

I read the message above as grab-ass

[tropic stump]

So how long does someone have to play before they can get custom avatars?

[tacit plank]

Before somebody posts that lengthy copy-pasta, I will tell you that it's usually around 20-40 hours. Being social and not getting muted/blocked helps as well. And you will need to use a VRChat account (not Steam)

[spring pollen]

any of yall know how to solve the "Stormy Cave" map?

[vocal shard]

just gave my custom avatar a gas mask and vrchat party armband

[tacit plank]

Solve how? How many things have you found?

[vocal shard]

removed guitext

thats all

armband didnt end well
removing it

[spring pollen]

We aren't sure whether there is actually a way to "solve" it but we've found three skulls, sacrificed them to receive three swords, used the fire to open the entrance to the cave and also used the swords to turn the water in the swamp into blood but thats where we just didnt know how to go on

[vocal shard]

Charles Manson wasn't that bad

should i put gas mask under neck category or just leave it as its own?

[vocal shard]

just put it under head category

[glossy hollow]

Hey guys, has the whole hacker thing died down? I stayed offline for a few days.

[tacit plank]

You shouldn't tell how you did it, just what you did :P
There's a few more things to find in the cave, by the way

[vocal shard]

@glossy hollow ye

[glossy hollow]

Ok ok so my pc is safe now? XD

[wispy fog]

This is a really weird question, but is it possible to force VRChat to use a certain control scheme? I'm trying to use the Rift HMD, but Vive Wands, however the game automatically sets binds for the Touch controllers instead. :p

I assume the game detects which headset is active and bases the control scheme off that.

[placid pumice]

No idea

Never heard of someone doing that, and why would you use the vive wands opposed to the touch...

[tacit plank]

Your PC was always safe

[wispy fog]

I'm using Vive Trackers. 😄

There's too much interference with the trackers on the Touch controllers.

[leaden kiln]

wow, now hangout house crashes the game, which still doesn't exit properly

[wispy fog]

After looking into it, I'm guessing this might just be hard-coded to detect which HMD you are using upon launch.

[compact kernel]

hey who runs the lazy thing? i got permission in the game but NOT able still!

so someone needs to just give me the permission

im serious i want this fixed

tired of being unfairly punished

[placid pumice]

lazy?

[dense locust]

Does anyone know how to used vive leg trackers with rift headset and touch? If so plz let me now because I am trying to figure it out.

[odd beacon]

@vocal shard are you on windows 10? if so, you can change the output of specific programs. Go to the Settings app (Not the control panel, the one with the white gear icon) Go to System, then go to sound, and near the bottom of that section there should be a button to be able to set audio devices for each application

[vocal shard]

anyone else into asmr

i need someone to whisper to me rn

[placid pumice]

@vocal shard ez

@dense locust just search fullbody vive rift, look for the reddit posts

[vocal shard]

@dense locust https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/8f7c0o/oculus_touch_x_vive_trackers_guide/

[placid pumice]

what if I dm you 👀

[vocal shard]

i'll just block you like all the other smartypants that DM me

[placid pumice]

:^(

[umbral reef]

brb time to dm svelsien

[placid pumice]

RIp to the boy Oclac

[vocal shard]

[umbral reef]

Im not doing an heckin' dm just a normal one so :^)

[vocal shard]

[umbral reef]

Shhh we all know you love me in your dm's

[mighty galleon]

should i dm him too

[vocal shard]

Probably not

[mighty galleon]

<.<

-hovers mouse over it-

<.<''

[vocal shard]

🔨

[mighty galleon]

i did it

[vocal shard]

and with that, sean got the block, nice

[mighty galleon]

lol x3 nice

i can now do what ever i want to him and he wont notice, my plan is perfect

@umbral reef

[glossy wharf]

Do you ever just set your unicode locale to japanese and break your whole windows

FeelsGoodMan

[vocal shard]

why do you set it to japanese ?

[glossy wharf]

To fix japanese letters in my files.

but i changed the wrong setting cause i didnt pay attention

[vocal shard]

the fuck

[safe prism]

why not just use the proper tools to convert the weird characters :x

[glossy wharf]

because i want to keep the original files.

to throw it back into mmd

[vocal shard]

i use something called bandizip
that allows me to do the exact same as changing the language of windows

[safe prism]

i have zipextractor

[glossy wharf]

bandizip sounds like your friendly neighbourhood adware

[safe prism]

literally works the same in or out of MMD stuff

[glossy wharf]

ngl

[safe prism]

:x

i may make a 7zip fork to add the code point conversion

[vocal shard]

been using bandizip for months

never had any issue

but if you wanna change the whole settings of Windows to just extract a file, go ahead

[glossy wharf]

Isnt zipextractor the thing using gdrive api to extrac to google drive?

[safe prism]

no

well, it could be that too

[glossy wharf]

@vocal shard there is literally a setting to change only non unicode characters.

So yes, i will indeed just go ahead

[vocal shard]

Can I use htc vive w macbook pro

[safe prism]

yes

[vocal shard]

didnt you already ask that in public lobby ?

uhh

did I?

[safe prism]

you'd want to run windows for 99% of VR games but it'll totally get to steamvr in macos

[vocal shard]

yeah you did and got an answer

.-.

[glossy wharf]

Svelsien is there a reason as to why you are so hostile towards everyone instead of just being helpful like okano

[vocal shard]

because i dont see the point to ask if the vive will work with a mac on the vrchat discord when a simple google search is faster and can give you better answers

[glossy wharf]

Because here you have people that might actively use it

And also this is a vr dedicated discord

You could also just ignore it instead of being hostile.

[vocal shard]

it's a vrchat dedicated server not a vr one

and you can also do the same, ignore me if you are not happy with my answers