Me and a couple friends have had to wait upwards of 10 minutes to load a 100mb map with no sign of any support. And the feature of loading your own avatar as that blue man every time
#vrchat-general-2
meager karma
opaque remnant
loading the blue man is intentional, as it stops the loading screen popup you used to get all the time
floral aspen
The avatar loading change was done so that the game wouldn't hitch every time someone joined a world
and your first issue sounds like an internet issue, not a vrchat issue
meager karma
It's not an internet issue
edgy umbra
the blue man protects you
meager karma
It was fine until they changed the way vrchat caches stuff
covert chasm
No changes were made to caching behavior. If you're having download speed issues, check out #vrchat-support and shoot us an email.
Usually it is due to routing issues from your computer to the content servers, but not always
steep pagoda
ehhhh not intentionally lol
but seems the game dosent always load cached versions anymore
alot of times i find myself redownloading avatars of my own and others just by swapping off it then back on
(not the normal blue man behavior) but literally waiting 5-10 mins to redownload my avatar or a friends switching to a default avatar then back only to find game decides to redownload it again
covert chasm
This sounds like something ripe for contacting #vrchat-support with logs, or posting on the Canny
we can't fix things we don't know about 😃
kind wedge
Are friends only instances considered private instances now??
steep pagoda
yea probably should XD i always forget about the canny >.<
also yes compat for awhile they have been if your not friends with the ower they are private
last 3 updates i believe
kind wedge
I thought the definition of "private" instances was wether or not their details were reported to the API
vocal shard
@covert chasm ive had a weird issue lately
my cache only seems to work in the same play session
when i re launch im always redownloading my home world
(it was a map i didnt have made public, same issue with default home)
and i always redownload all the avatars and such
it works fine for thecurrent session though
is that intentional?
or was the cache full of garbage and needs to be cleared
steep pagoda
^ see more cache issues XD
vocal shard
its been like this before the latest patch
i just didnt care enough to ever mention it
umbral reef
If i recall right cache failing to save things is often because the file is to big and trying to keep itself below a limit
Like did you try even clearing it yet?
umbral reef
Also- it should have changed i guess as the location of the cache swapped :thonk: But what the fuck do i know
vocal shard
actually
yeah i did
let me login and see if its working
i cant even remember if the issue is still there
for more info the cache was 2 gb of 10 gb somehow
umbral reef
Well then just bug report the shit out of stuff i guess
vocal shard
whats a canny
🤔
yeah so the cache works fine now
the deletion i did before fixed it
umbral reef
I dunno- i never said to report it there :^)
steep pagoda
why is the cache even limited now ?
like i sunderstand it takes up space but if you want it to not take up space just clear it every now and then
for people with slow internet /limited the cache limit is insane causing me to have to redownload things even more so (and even more now thanks to game not alwasys loading cached files)
id rather just have the cache keep caching things untill i decide to wipe it so that i can keep avatars and old worlds cached so i down have to redownload them all the time ;-;
ruby needle
de limit is definitely more then fair
leaving the game endlessly consume space would be way more stupid
safe prism
configurable cache size
meager karma
So the cache did change?
steep pagoda
its really not XD worlds can get up to almost a gb at some points (most are around 200mb
and id rather not have to redownload that for another 10 mins because the game wont save it
espeically with worlds that dont update foten/ever that i frequent
somber lynx
(has a question!) I was in the hub and went to pick an avatar from one of the worlds and now it's saying I can't pick one of the avatars? looking for help/advice on what to do
meager karma
Less knuckles cancer that's for sure
somber lynx
(if my question can't be answered here is there a better chat to ask it in?)
ruby needle
what exactly does it say?
meager karma
It's a feature. Problem solved
somber lynx
it disappears too quickly for me to copy it quickly, do you mind waiting a few mins/copy pasting a screenshot? @ruby needle
vocal shard
Hi, i have finished avatar model, now i need to play VRChat long, but it's not problem (this avatar will be private, it don't have animations or something special and i don't made model)
ruby needle
nah its fine
somber lynx
ok!
"For security reasons, you're not yet allowed to select avatars in private worlds or upload content. Please continue to enjoy VRChat and we'll message you when you've been unlocked. Thanks and have fun!"
ruby needle
ah
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
somber lynx
ah ok!
vocal shard
@somber lynx I have that
somber lynx
although this world was in the hub so I assume that this world is supposed to be public?
ruby needle
good question 
steep pagoda
world probably got updated so was sent back to private lol
but the hub portals have the id so ithe portal would just take you to the world even tho its not public at that time lol
somber lynx
ok! Thank you for the help!
vocal shard
That sad i can't public avatar yet :/
steep pagoda
once you update a world in vrchat if its public it becomes private again(unlisted) till a dev gives it the aokay and sets it to public again
somber lynx
ok! (about the unlocked, do you think using vchat is required for ones account to unlock?)
somber lynx
(I meant "voice chat" when I said vchat)
(sorry about the confusion, I forgot that vrchat was very similar to vchat)
vocal shard
will someone tell me how long i need to play to make an avatar public or private?
ruby needle
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
vocal shard
my avatar is already finished, but can't be published yet 🙁
somber lynx
(is worried that my message was missed/ignored)
vocal shard
tbh cache thing didnt gone
due your locallow folder still can be overweight
my avatar is already finished, but can't be published yet 🙁
ruby needle
You said that like 3 times now.
It's enogh.
vocal shard
4 time for free coupon
somber lynx
does anyone know if voice chat is a requirement for an unlocked account?
somber lynx
ok! Thank you for the help!
ruby needle
anytime 
ionic galleon
Hi, I was wondering how much time you must spend in game before getting the right to publish
avatars via unity ? Thanks 😃
tacit plank
Worlds haven't been approved for a while it seems
ruby needle
@ionic galleon Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
tacit plank
You know, adding text formatting to everything make it even harder to read
ruby needle
depends
tacit plank
No, it was better before
ionic galleon
Okay thanks !
I was planning on playing the game casually anyways, hopefully i'll get it before the 40hours limit haha :p
ruby needle
and it's been this way a while now 
tacit plank
The "not" in "not using a steam account" and the "20-40 hours" should be bold I guess
small wing
so the vrchat website isnt loading for me and i need the new sdk.
can i still use the old one?
aaaaaand now it loaded
thanks internet
tacit plank
Every SDK from the past 6 months should work lol
umbral parcel
Who else here thinks @covert chasm is cute af?
covert chasm
vocal shard
im the better cirno
sly horizon
Lol
covert chasm
vocal shard
sly horizon
vocal shard
tupper bout to ban my ass
umbral parcel
See adorable af 
frank zealot
so how much longer do I need to spend enjoying the app before I can upload my own avatars?
halcyon ingot
it isnt time based
you have an invisible trust score
once that reaches a certain point you get upload rights
ruby needle
@frank zealot Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
no
to often
thats for sure
umbral parcel
We appreciate you @viral stratus 
worldly vapor
FPaul IS the bot
umbral parcel
And we appreciate you @ruby needle
ruby needle
sly horizon
vocal shard
!paul shutdown
frank zealot
it should be "Before you can upload avatars or worlds to VRChat, you'll need to be verified by playing the game more. There is no time limit. We do this for security reasons, and so you can learn more about us.
ruby needle
vocal shard
umbral parcel
Can robots feel?
frank zealot
which is why you should clarify it in the message they receive instead of having to do it manually
vocal shard
Soo... Now that you're a chat Mod, why don't you put nitro emotes in the public lobby*?* Like when you always got angery and jelly at Advert for doing so? @ruby needle
ruby needle
vocal shard
Yes they do
tranquil perch
I havent even looking into nitro
vocal shard
Huh, how are you using the Cirno pack*?*
vocal shard
So... Discount Nitro
ruby needle
no
im supporting a streamer and get to use his emojis on discord
while nitro is like.
vocal shard
Oh... After 3 months, I'm still learning somethings 
ruby needle
i trow money at discord to be allowed to use ripped emojis across servers
scarlet tulip
tupper cute asf
ruby needle
umbral parcel
You right @scarlet tulip
scarlet tulip
yo if someone wanted to request to get their IGN changed
who would they send the email to/
@covert chasm is it even possible to get your IGN changed if requested?
scarlet tulip
hmmm
vocal shard
no hes mine, (even thou hes not added me back)
scarlet tulip
lmaoo
vocal shard
@
umbral parcel
Tupper can be my dad ;3
vocal shard
"New Quest: get tupper to add you and hug him"
scarlet tulip
ex dee
vocal shard
He wont But all i want is a hug 
tacit wing
is it safe to go on vrchat?
i heard about some kinda hacker thing
idk if it was a hoax or not
halcyon ingot
np
tranquil perch
they were mostly just abusing some small loophole stuff to send fake moderation warnings with cutsom text
vocal shard
if you see anything just report it to moderation@vrchat.com
tranquil perch
^ exactly
vocal shard
^ 
placid pumice
Like no flame but this was the best they could do?
median basalt
I want a 1:4 scale figure of VRPill
halcyon ingot
I know how you feel trosty
median basalt
Jojo posing
placid pumice
Cause you been on my friendslist since I started playing, probably the first person I ran into in the pug after downloading ;P
but where are our 14 inch nikei statues
halcyon ingot
i need a vrpill bobblehead
vocal shard
what you guys on about i want the Chris model and its broken zipper (plz fix)
placid pumice
What about that one default avatar that's been decimated to all hell, the blue girl or something.
vocal shard
Question I noticed when someone joins they have a red username and a VIP And AFK icon right next to the username and a butt load of other icons which I’m familiar with
I know what afk is obviously supposed to mean
But what’s the VIP for
olive iron
they're loading in
vocal shard
Yeah it only appears when they are loading in
But what’s the VIP for. Is that an unused item or a future thing for vrchat
It is for moderators only or some sort of future premium payed account or something
Also the red username as well
vocal shard
Red username as well k
I know the star is for the favorite friend list and a few other icons as well represented voice chat stuff
Just curious if the VIP or red username meant something for the future
tranquil vortex
I've seen the VIP and red username pop up as empty placeholders
like
its shows up when someone loads into a map and it disapears
hearty arch
Why is it in the sourcecode if its not planned ? 🤔
tacit plank
Maybe it's stuff from 2016-2017
rough pulsar
The VIP and red nametags are from days gone by. When I first turned up in vrchat towards the end of 2016 nametags were red.
tacit plank
The AFK status is cool though, but I can see why it would need to be triggered manually by VR players as you can't really tell if they're AFK automatically
rough pulsar
If anything it'd be more reliable for VR users, assuming SteamVR exposes the HMD proximity sensor status and Unity can read it.
Other than that, checking for last mic activation and movement combined, it'd be pretty accurate at telling if a VR user has taken their HMD off and gone to scream at next door's goats for a bit.
tacit plank
I didn't think of that, good point
But if somebody sleeps in VR, he will likely have minor movements and sounds at all times
minor thunder
Screamin at the goats XD
vocal shard
nice
distant breach
Screaming at goats? "Stop eating my grass, dangit!"
chrome grotto
Have a wonderful day everyone. Today's Friday so I wish for all of you to have a fantastic day and weekend! 
gleaming hill
I haven't played VR chat in a while I deleted it because it was taking to much space on my OS drive has this been changed recently?
dire palm
you can direct it to another drive
still lark
The directing to another drive worked for me.
gleaming hill
is it easy to do
still lark
Eh
vocal shard
Read the pins
compact kernel
but ive actually been on for a while >< i was just too scared to try getting avatars online since im not that smart
fathom pendant
Why does my mask move whenever I talk and how do I disabled it in unity
vocal shard
Please do not post the same thing in multiple channels
fathom pendant
I didn't
They're different questions
And if u don't like it then answer the first time
Mind your damn business
vocal shard
Its in the rules you mongoloid
Im saying that for you so you dont get kicked
vocal shard
And this is also not a help channel
And you are here only to be an idiot, your point?
fathom pendant
Ur no help to anyone
fading owl
Itunes just calm down and move channels jeez
kind folio
kindred briar
Repost
supple bison
F
kindred briar
Lame
vocal shard
Already been posted multiple time lmao
vocal shard
And with the bullshit happening lately
Pretty sure its not a good idea to try to spread some more crap
Especially in the official discord
supple bison
Truw
vocal shard
supple bison
So i hear public and friend worlds are not safe?
vocal shard
Also i just saw
Fucking vrchat merch?
supple bison
People manually adding to friends list?
vocal shard
Nah they just use a modded client
supple bison
Well duh lol
vocal shard
To spam fake ban message and log you out
supple bison
Oh kek
vocal shard
Which is annoying as all fuck but nothing dangerous or permanent
compact kernel
still waiting to be able to enjoy using avatars..
twin jacinth
I haven't experienced any logs out or messages and i'm on for a few hours everyday
vocal shard
You need to play and make friends with a vrchat account
Being afk in the game won't do anything
twin jacinth
I recently made a new vrchat account and was able to use avatars within 10-20 hours ish
was suprised how fast it went
vocal shard
Its not time based
nobody want play? ;-;
It can take 15 minutes as it can take more than 50 hours
frail yoke
Anyone else experiencing an insta crash when switching between (owned)avatars?
compact kernel
well i was in VRchat for months. i want justice here
i just now wanted to try being downloaded ones
vocal shard
Woth a vr account or steam account?
jovial jolt
vocal shard
A steam account is just a guest account
You always needed a vrchat account to upload
The trust system is dumb tho
umbral reef
It's for security reasons
If it wasn't a thing even more bad avatars would roam the game
shy nest
"grr i cant upload because of a system that is in place to deter people that just make new accounts after getting banned" "i have to play a day or two at most on average to get access"
is it really so hard to just chill without a custom avatar for a day or two?
plenty of avatar worlds you can go to
umbral reef
If it was a thing 6 months ago I'd totally get it
Not that many high end avatar worlds
Now there are so many avatar world's its insane
shy nest
exactly
median basalt
Yeah, there's a lot of good avatar worlds these days
For just about every taste
The trust system is a double-edged sword
I don't like how vague and nebulous it is, and I don't like how it just blanket bans people from uploading altogether
keen mesa
If it wasn't a thing even more bad avatars would roam the game
umbral reef
You dont want to block an avatar every room you are in lmao
Im not talking about some ugly optimized stuff
Im talking about crash avatars, avatars who throw up bad stuff in your face and ect
median basalt
It might be better to restrict people to just the barebones components (Animator, Avatar Descriptor, (Skinned) Mesh Renderer, Mesh Filter). Restrict them to Standard shader and maybe Flat Lit Toon. Give them the rest of the components when they get their proper upload rights
umbral reef
Removing how shaders work will ruin a lot of avatar fun
median basalt
I mean for people who don't have upload rights yet
So they can at least get started with their own models right away
umbral reef
Oww
Well- it is still super easy to make bad stuff that way
Its a short time they need anyway
median basalt
It took me more than a week of pretty active gameplay
If this system was already in place in this state when I first joined, I would not be playing this game today.
vocal shard
It's hard to enjoy the game when a huge portion of it is to just join any world and meet people; and that task is nearly impossible because of random people just walking up to you and crashing your client and/or drawing porn to your screen
median basalt
I don't have that happen to me very often
Then again, I don't join public presentation rooms
Those are always the worst
vocal shard
I only went in a presentation room a couple of times and hardly had issues there honestly
It's usually avatar testing and great pug where I get hit
median basalt
Turn on the particle limiter if you don't want to get crashed
It doesn't even matter which settings you use
Just having it will protect you from particle crashers quite a bit
It's not 100% foolproof but it protects against the average crasher easily
vocal shard
Except Material Crashers, which only avatar block would help
Even avatar block doesn't always help with those
median basalt
Those aren't very common
Avatar blocking will help 100% against any form of crashing that they put on their avatar.
vocal shard
I had a player walk up to me and freeze my client. When I refused to close the game after 5 minutes, the game just kinda suddenly sprung back to life and it was only me and them left in the instance with them as a different avatar
I think I reported that a couple onths ago
So I'm assuming everyone froze up except them
I was in the middle of writing the report while their name was still on screen when it just kinda was like "oh hi i didn't crash"
someone once tried to crash me by particles.
Only GPU drivers get crashed, but not game itself.
Then they like - oh look, he alive, lemme shoot you again.
Second time didnt worked
Yeah, it's funny. Sometimes crashers just don't do their job
indigo fern
Literally had only 1 job
vocal shard
it's kinda great to see their reaction when they activate a crasher and you just kinda look at them like "Wtf was that"
- Are you alive? (Imitated like i've freezed)
- Yo i got him (then i've looked at him)
- Oh, okay anticrash client, lemme then do hard artillery crash (and vice versa)
I've had myself crash with no one even in the same room as me; probably material crash (so just existing in the instance can cause crashes)
i've only orientated by sounds because black screen.
Thus i knew that i look at him
I should make an emote like that where I just toss the box of a 1080ti in front of me
(even though I only run a 1060)
indigo fern
Might as well make an RTX card then
vocal shard
Yes
Ironically will be, if you have 1080TI and Material crasher cant handle itself and crashed
Throw a 2080 box at them, that'll show 'em
tall ingot
are people still freaking out about hackers?
median basalt
Some are, but it's calmed down quite a bit.
Pretty sure that they didn't even fix the warning/logout exploit yet, people are just sick of doing it
Unless they changed something on the server end that prevents this, that is.
vocal shard
I load most worlds fine, just not most avatars
tall ingot
Alright. I haven't played public in a while aand I'm starting to miss it; that's pretty much the point of this app not to mention how I made friends at all
median basalt
Just go in public
vocal shard
I visit public only with avatar blocked by default
median basalt
Literally the worst that can happen is that you get crashed or logged out
mighty galleon
public isn that bad
mighty galleon
yeah
vocal shard
afaik you can hop back only to world, not # of world you've been
river star
@median basalt nice sakuya pfp ♡
vocal shard
but i doubt someone survived
median basalt
@river star thanks, I like yours too :P
mighty galleon
whos sakuya?
oh
alrighty
never watched nor played touhou
and probably never will
tall ingot
Arlight, perhaps my gifted avatar is safe, then
vocal shard
You miss happy soulbreaking game.
mighty galleon
?
vocal shard
it is like playing child game dark souls
mighty galleon
dark souls is fine with me
bullet hells isnt
i cant keep track of stuff like that
nah
never would xD
my mind isnt built to keep trak of hundreds of things at once
tall ingot
logging out... not sure if i've been logged out; i know i had to log back in when I thought the game took too long to load a world or something a whiel back
umbral reef
Fairly sure you can do it with both
vocal shard
^
vocal shard
Those only work on humanoid avatars which is sad because I have them all set up on one of my generic avatars just in case they eventually get support for it
For now you gotta use a fake humanoid rig
whenever i try to go to my custom vr home it sends me back to loading screen then takes me to default vrchat home.... why
That makes my model shift around uncontrollably at times and breaks my entire animation controller. Not an option unless I feel like starting over.
dire palm
try changing the ID of the world and upload it again. always happen to me
vocal shard
how do i change ID
vocal shard
do i delete world and reupload it?
vocal shard
never tried the test
dire palm
could try that cause my problem is i can enter in test but not when i upload it
floral aspen
then attach one
dire palm
when you upload one it will have an id
vocal shard
well the testing works
kinda
i put mirror and interative seats but its not working
but i was able to join test world
gritty sonnet
dailies
vocal shard
god damn it
still not letting me in
i changed the id
ran the test
live version of the world is just not working
ill just create a whole new one
polar bone
Where does everyone get that one rim shader
The one where the middle is black but the edges are red?
final venture
heres a suggestion: remove all weebs
vocal shard
then there would be no VRChat 😮
how do u publish to vrchat community worlds
check the pins in #community-servers-old @vocal shard
IT WORKED
although the seats and mirror isnt working. oh well itll do
wait
Seats and Mirror's do work
i meant my custom home
hmm, I've never had a problem with seats or mirrors
north axle
Anyone else having new bugs in VRChat?
north axle
Like, I can't even join my own world anymore.
vocal shard
my number 6. and 7. maybe wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hushed isle
did someone saw Rogue Shadow lately? Just askin'
halcyon ingot
who dis?
fading owl
@north axle Well every audiosource with an onsp script on it is fked
hushed isle
earlier twitch streamer, but was banned, now he goes with youtube streaming
he made the Club Rogue
vocal shard
Twitch is always banning people for no reason
and not banning the obv sexual content ones
hushed isle
like steam perma banned me from CoD MW2 for no reason?
vocal shard
that's just like how Netflix got the Cloverfield Paradox Cinemasins video deleted pff of YouTube
I loved those
even though CinemaSins is Fairuse
hushed isle
interresting...
I searched for Snow SOS too, but he was offline at that night
i guess it'll be hard to "synchronize" 'cuz of the 6 hours difference in our time zones
i live in Central Europe, Hungary 😂 😂
hushed isle
yay! i like paradoxes 😃
north axle
I like how it's taking them over a month to change "8" to "1".
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/set-mirror-anti-alias-in-sdk-to-1-instead-of-8
twin vessel
still lark
That's a low level item
Might be easy, but doesn't mean it'll get done before anything else.
safe prism
it got fixed already no?
vocal shard
only in the beta apparently
safe prism
i mean open beta is open beta but
vocal shard
it says in progress
safe prism
it's already in the changelog and confirmed so it's done~
deep moon
ok, can i just say, as an extremely proficient model maker and former big part of this community, I am sadly very dissapointed in these "security" updates. why not actually take the time to fix the issue, instead of throwing an over aggressive band aid that just ruins the fun we try to have in vrchat?
Like for instance, final ik, which i personally never used but know others did, web panels, scripts, which tbh that one is understandable
but like srsly? what is going through yall's heads guys?
halcyon ingot
i used final ik a lot when it was possible
but its honestly betters its been patched
they should give us custom animator controllers at least though
deep moon
like legit with these changes im thinking of not playing anymore
halcyon ingot
and considering the top 4 canny posts are about that or similar
it is clear that people want it
deep moon
like i am like in direct cahoots with Thotpatrol, the jojo world guy, and like ive made almost about 100 models, every one different in some way, with completely diff concepts
and yet, my entire point was to make em for vrchat, but you guys keep stripping us of any freedom
halcyon ingot
im mates with thotpatrol and helped him test pretty much all of the models for fullbody
deep moon
and im the ferret pucci boi. and here ill pm you some of the trash ive been making recently lol
halcyon ingot
I totally agree with your point
deep moon
youll love it tho XD
halcyon ingot
do it
The vrchat team want this game as watered down as possible
they dont really care about avatar makers, they don't even like the gesture system
so there is no way they will improve it
they will replace it in 3 years instead
floral aspen
They don't like the gesture system because it was never designed to be used the way we use it.
halcyon ingot
I know
they supported it as little as possible
without just removing the "exploit"
The vrchat team wont be happy till this game is a bunch of dudes in half naked mikus staring at themselves in the mirror
floral aspen
Why would they support an exploit? That's just bad practice.
halcyon ingot
No it isnt, it depends on the "exploit"
if it only improves the user experience
there is no reason not to support it
like with what gestures can do
or what they could do with custom animators
tacit plank
The finalIK thing could place objects in the world permanently and bypass being blocked
It wasn't removed just to annoy you
tacit plank
You mentioned that, scripts and web panels, but you already seem to agree that scripts are bad. So were left with you complaining about web panels, right?
floral aspen
Leplay is the one complaining about web panels
tacit plank
Oh wait, that was LePlay
halcyon ingot
Do you even read?
tacit plank
Then what exploit are you refering to?
floral aspen
which don't really have anything to do with their complaints about avatars, but that's besides the point
we're discussing the gesture system
tacit plank
As far as I can tell, the devs haven't touched it lately
floral aspen
It was never intended to be used how we use it, but EvolvedAnt found a way to do custom animations with it
G1fan thinks the devs should support it more, but I disagree. I don't see the point of improving something that at it's core is just a "hack"/exploit when the devs have stated they want to make a new gesture system in the future
halcyon ingot
They should support what is there
floral aspen
What do you mean by support though? Add new features?
halcyon ingot
When we hard the vr ik exploit
tacit plank
No reason to limit it when users are being creative, unless an actual problem shows up. A new system would be alright though, as long as it supports mostly the same things
halcyon ingot
we could do tons of stuff
tho it is good that got patched
one of the things we could do was give ourselves custom animator controllers
which allowed much more indepth customisation of avatars
at a technical level
most people just used it for split hand gestures
But you could do much more than that if you had the technical knowledge
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/custom-animator-controllers-on-humanoid-avatars this is the canny my mate Rokk put up
The top 4 cannys in trending are related to this
there are pretty much no security drawbacks, no matter how much hackspanner shakes
vocal shard
we will never get that with the current system
you'll have to wait next year, at least, to even see an hint on what they are working for anything related to animators
dark dagger
Occasionally, when I do VRChat with VRMode,
VRChat will down with SteamVR
Is this only happen to me?
median basalt
Yeah, custom animators would be nice
halcyon ingot
My main issue is that world makers are supported with every little update
but us avatar makers get shit
like we dont matter
median basalt
But the devs are convinced that it would be too much work, and they also think we only want to use them for gestures
halcyon ingot
all we get is removed features
floral aspen
No telling what the devs are working on behind the scenes. Just because the past few updates haven't had any avatar creator specific features doesn't mean we'll never get anything.
halcyon ingot
when was the last time we got an avatar specific feature that worked though?
vocal shard
cameras
median basalt
Lmao, we got IK Follower and that's literally it
A tiny little feature
Also cameras aren't really avatar features
halcyon ingot
I wouldnt say that is avatar specifc
vocal shard
with one of the most frustrating way to select the buttons
halcyon ingot
im talking about stuff that we can put on models, components that type of stuff
vocal shard
i cant for the life of me press anything without struggling for 5 minutes
halcyon ingot
I feel you svel
median basalt
With chairs, avatars might be expanded a little bit for the first time in like 2 years
halcyon ingot
if they officialy give us chairs on avatars that will be something
but i can't wait to see how limited they will be
no custom chair animators for us pal
vocal shard
they need to fix the fact that sitting on a chair will shut down your mic tho
median basalt
The devs don't want to give us animators because they're supposedly working on a better system that won't ever see the light of day
vocal shard
because that seems a logical issue when you sit down on a fucking chair
floral aspen
There was already a fix for that if I recall
halcyon ingot
Exactly rokk
median basalt
Yeah, you could fix chairs muting you by not having the chair active on load
Just enable it a second after spawning by using an animator
That's one of the reasons they were initially removed anyway
hazy marlin
All i want is to interact with other peoples colliders ;-;
median basalt
Yeah
floral aspen
I heard it's a big hit to performance as well
median basalt
Official support for it will probably be coming some time later
Animators are easier and a bigger deal tbh
halcyon ingot
yep
median basalt
But I probably should watch my mouth before someone starts literally shaking again
median basalt
Something something blend trees
vocal shard
median basalt
By having devs that care about the game first of all
halcyon ingot
OOOOOOO
fading owl
😂
median basalt
How they do it in practice is pretty cool
vocal shard
POPOPO
hazy marlin
JESUS
halcyon ingot
I doubt we will get rec roomish interaction anytime soon, considering most of the players use desktop
vocal shard
rokk will be the next big guy in here to get yeeted out of this discord
hazy marlin
vocal shard
they already yeeted rero
halcyon ingot
seriously?
vocal shard
yep
halcyon ingot
they yeeted rero after yesterdays convo?
vocal shard
as soon as he left, banned
halcyon ingot
what the fuck dude
fading owl
not cool
vocal shard
who the fuck knows
really weird since some devs even knews him and hanged out with him
halcyon ingot
they really want this community just be filled with fucking sheep
who don't know how anything works
so they won't complain
vocal shard
like i said in another discord, i'm slowly stating to get the feeling that they remove stuff bit by bit to make people just stop giving a fuck about this game
halcyon ingot
vrchat as tons of potential
vocal shard
remove those
- particles
- shaders
and more than half of the people will stop playing
still lark
So far the 3 big things (web panels, chairs on avatars, custom animators) were removed for fairly decent reasons.
halcyon ingot
custom animators only got removed due to method used to acheive them
vocal shard
yeah but never gave them back without all the issues
they just remove
and we get nothing back
still lark
Because they're working on them? albeit slowly or on low priority.
median basalt
Lol no
vocal shard
how long should it take to just make a simple chair for avatars?
velvet kite
Optimism is adorable
median basalt
The devs have not-so-subtly said that they're not working on them
halcyon ingot
Its almost like when we get access to something like custom animators through what was honestly an exploit. They would rather hide the fact that an exploit was discovered at all, rather than see it as an oportunity to get a new useful feature for players
median basalt
They even made shit up on the spot to try and get us to shut up
median basalt
All the exploit did was replace your animator controller like 1 second after you spawned. Everything worked fine
Yeah
vocal shard
median basalt
You're telling me that the devs can't add a simple field to the SDK that does this themselves?
halcyon ingot
So childish
median basalt
He's right about the fact that there is communication between the animator and the IK system, but the animator is already equipped to deal with that
It worked ingame as many people here know
No issues
halcyon ingot
His statement that it wouldn't work is clearly untrue because it did
for months
I just wish the vrchat staff were more open to ideas, and that they actually communicated with us
instead of treating us like kids
still lark
Don't act like em then. 😉
vocal shard
I dont even know how to use ik follower
halcyon ingot
Really cool and funny scruffy. 👍
halcyon ingot
you should
still lark
No worries G1fan, happy to make you laugh when you're down.
halcyon ingot
👌
vocal shard
Do you put ik follower onto the armature root or do you put it on the wrist
@vocal shard create an empty game object on the wrist
put the ik follower on it
parent a world particle system to it
done
never disable that game object btw
O
That seems easier if it works
Wait so the particle system is the child of the empty game object?
yes
fading owl
Fixed joint all the way woop woop
vocal shard
Lol
but g1fan knows more
apparently they have some issues
one of the issue i had with them is that sometimes the first few emission didnt work properly
halcyon ingot
they cause lighting issues with the particles
rokk knows more than me, i stay well away from them
still lark
Wait IK Follower creates lighting issues?
vernal copper
can somebody help me with my avatar there is something wrong with the dynamic bones send me a messige if u can
karmic bear
median basalt
Nah, IK follower wasn't the cause for the lighting issues
vocal shard
@karmic bear need to make that picture shake a bit
median basalt
But it can
still lark
@vernal copper Can you not post in several channels.
karmic bear
No screen shaking will get you banned
median basalt
There's a bug with particle systems inside armature that makes the particles disappear when out of view
vocal shard
@vernal copper i'll advice you to delete all your other messages if you dont want to get banned
still lark
Sounds about right.
halcyon ingot
he sent it in the Norwegian channel in english, interesting
wheat moth
Lol, he'd despite. Poor guy
vocal shard
dude needs to be 
from this discord
ruby burrow
The particles out of view bug sounds more like it's just them working via the normal rules of the bounding box, than a true bug, per say.
Though obviously an issue if you want to project them out to anydistance.
halcyon ingot
if the emitter was out of view then the particles would dissapear with ik followers
didnt happen with fixed joints
ruby burrow
Hmm. I wonder if that means objects on fixed joints render at all times or something then.
ruby needle
@vernal copper as Svelsien allready said, do not post the same message across multiple channels simultaniously.
median basalt
The point is to have the particle system outside of the armature and therefore at scale 1
@ruby burrow it is a bug in Unity 5, fixed in 2017
ruby burrow
Fair enough.
median basalt
The particle system's bounding box should expand to cover all the particles normally
This isn't something the devs can fix
vocal shard
there is no way to manually fix that in 5.6, rokk ?
median basalt
Or rather, not worth for them to fix
Maybe? We already have a fix and it's called fixed joints.
vocal shard
it's kinda a work around no ?
median basalt
Or export your model from Blender with scaling set to "FBX All" rather than "Local"
vocal shard
also
we need to use fixed joint
cuz world particles doesnt follow the rotation
that a bug in unity or vrc ?
median basalt
That's why we have IK follower
Particles get fired before the game's IK kicks in
With local particles they snap back to your hand in the same frame so it doesn't matter
ruby burrow
Some guy the other day had a large rain cloud particle effect following his avatar around, with it's rotation locked locally to him. Probably a very subtle flaw from his perspective, especially on desktop mode, but it was driving me slightly nuts the longer I looked at it.
Spazzy rapid rotating clouds, and raindrop splash effects whizzing around in circles. <_>
Hmm.
If I made a similar thing, it should be possible to get the raindrops to collide with an umbrella prop right?
I'm not sure why I'd need that, but I kinda want it just for the hell of it now.
vocal shard
yes
karmic bear
Personally
vocal shard
duno how good is it to have a constant colliders check on you tho
Rain into World Particle & attached to armature itself (aka Hips & Particle)
karmic bear
I would keep it rotation locked
vocal shard
He had one job...
karmic bear
but on a dynamic bone damped to fuck with super low elasticity
ruby burrow
Yeah, super simple to get the clouds not to rotate.
vocal shard
"Yo guys, imma planet, look" Spinning clouds around
karmic bear
lol
lethal meteor
oh no
ebon bear
is it true that u need Steam vr advanced settings to enable the climbing thing
quiet prawn
no
ebon bear
what do i need then cause i cba spamming jump on the walls
vocal shard
ruby needle
there is a nice modified version of advanced settings
that can do it without any extra things
vocal shard
gib
vocal shard
ty
vocal shard
easy enough
ruby needle
(since it still opens the in game menue)
halcyon ingot
i used modified openvr advanced settings and its real good
ruby burrow
@ebon bear It should probably be pointed out, that the climbing thing that play space mover lets you do, doesn't truly move your character. Just where it appears to be.
If you climb a building with it, you won't be able to get onto the top and walk around normally, since your actual position as far as the game is concerned is still on the ground next to the wall.
It's a bit like if you had full body tracking, and were able to climb a real ladder. Your centre point gets left behind.
halcyon ingot
it just moves your playspace
ruby burrow
Yep. Also you need either full body tracking, or the weird "fake trackers" the program provides to do any of the climbing stuff. Else your avatar's feet are locked to the floor.
ruby needle
yeah
ruby burrow
And the fake trackers are awkward enough to setup each time that I rarely bother playing with them.
ruby needle
you can do downwards adjustments at least 😄
ruby burrow
That is one easy benefit of the program yeah. Even with no special configuration or trackers, you can always use it just to pick things up off the floor, or drag around your view point to get a better look at things.
When I use the fake trackers option, I mainly only ever use it on a small loli avatar or something similar, since you get the most mileage of fun things/people to climb.
And the weird effect it has on your legs and posture are less noticeable when people are looking down at you.
Trying to use it on larger avatars, I tend to find the locked leg position looks really obvious and unnatural.
median basalt
Yeah same, I use the playspace mover to just quickly adjust my height
I don't use it to climb since I don't have full body
I can also use it to interact with stuff through walls
ruby needle
i never used it but it's so easy and without any extra stuff needet with the special Advanced settings version.
ruby burrow
If it was easier to turn on and off, and setup the fake trackers, I'd use it a lot more. But it can sometimes be a royal pain in the ass.
Since you need to restart steam-VR and your entire headset if the "fake trackers" don't spawn in the correct position the first time.
ruby needle
empty wharf
Oof
coarse anchor
IsUploading avatars broken atm ?
polar elm
No
supple swan
Hello everyone, just checking in to see if avatar stealing has been dealt with yet
Anyone got some good news for me?
light saddle
Haven’t ran into many recently but people still running around freezing others me included on the unlucky ones
ivory folio
yeah there are still stealers
they reupload a copy of your avatar to their account so you can't do anything about it once they take it
supple swan
Any ways to counter? Any official patches done about it?
My model is almost done, but i am terrified of it being stolen instantly
tacit plank
I thought cache ripping as fixed
vocal shard
cache ripping will never be fixed
tacit plank
And if avatar stealing over the API isn't fixed, it should be in the next version
Well, made harder, then
vocal shard
direct stealing is the only thing that can be fixed
and they fixed that in the beta apparently
tacit plank
Things are slowly being fixed, I don't get the panic or complaining going on
rough pulsar
The current copying methods have been made harder due to the recent update, and should be even harder going on.
tacit plank
Thought so, thank you
rough pulsar
A lot of the panic comes from someone exaggerating some incorrect informtion and a cascade of poor critical thinking blasts it out like a goddamn tsunami.
tacit plank
Btw, can staff see map data? Or do they approve worlds after just walking around them for a while?
Lol, sounds about right, nice wording
rough pulsar
I've benn told I have a way with words. Usually when I'm telling people they're stupid. ❤
ivory folio
what about the avatars that have already been copied by others? will they still be on their account after the update?
vocal shard
teach me gallium
@ivory folio yes since its uploaded with a new blueprint on their account
ivory folio
thinking emoji
rough pulsar
Because for those of us with unique avatars, that avatar is our virtual identity (or at least linked to it) and having that copied is a uniquely unpleasant experience.
frank zealot
the first step to cleanse vrchat is banning the dragon loli avatar, we will make vrchat great again people
frank zealot
someone send link to rainbow shader 2 cant find it
tacit plank
How do people shape things correctly? It's a mystery to me
frank zealot
they dont, models come from no were, no one knows how or were or when there made, all we know is that they exist to download so you dont have to model
tacit plank
That's how it is to me, lol. Even messing with existing proportions is difficult
subtle prawn
o.o
ornate cobalt
$18.30 shipping for a bloody $12~ mug!, Talk about a mugging xD
subtle prawn
The store is a joke
tacit plank
Free shipping for now though right?
ornate cobalt
Would of totally got a mug too if it wasn't so insanely priced, esp with other stores having multiple shipping locations lol
tacit plank
When paying over some amount
subtle prawn
$18 for a generic phone case GG I could use that money for a case that has at least a kickstand :pog:
tacit plank
If it's not worth it, I guess it's more of a donation than a purchase
bleak perch
got dev perms after less than 6 hours of playtime
wow
guess I didn't need the manual approval after all lol
floral aspen
awesome. Most people seem to take 20-40hrs but looks like you're one of the exceptions
bleak perch
yeah I was expecting it to take a lot longer
tried really hard to just interact normally/add people and not piss anyone off inadvertently, so I guess that helped
haha
floral aspen
Yup, that's the quickest way to get upload approval
compact kernel
gratz but thats so unfair XD
slender nymph
watched Mushy apples, where I can sign up for Mushy apples 2? 😄
languid compass
anyone else having trouble logging in?
vocal shard
I see.
Thank you!
probably not best to imply that you want to modify the sdk on the vrchat official discord tho...
not like I know how to modify the sdk
cough
scarlet tulip
lol
vocal shard
How do you do that?
scarlet tulip
lol kuro
scarlet tulip
thot process btw
vocal shard
Im in a lot of places
scarlet tulip
hmm
vocal shard
90% of the shaders i will never use
shy nest
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6368 users in VRChat currently
shy nest
hmm doesnt seem like people are getting banned
placid pumice
What's this about shaders
small wing
I have a featured world in the hub but im afraid to update it.
if i update that world, will it get removed from the portals in the new hub or no?
i plan on using the old blueprint id because that world got featured, but its un optimized as all hell and i re made the world entirely to look and run much better (90fps)
also not sure if this is viable to tag the mods to ask, so i will just wait it out and ask that you @ me once anyone replies please!
south viper
“The shaders”
tacit plank
Where are people getting the "Don't lewd" platelet?
tacit plank
Another question, how do I look up Steam users in the API? I was crashed by a guy with a nanachi avatar so I want to use the API to see if the avatar image matches the last name I saw in the output log
olive iron
social tab search their name like any other user's
tacit plank
Oh right I forgot you could do it legit
None of the users matched, probably changed avatar. Oh well
median basalt
@tacit plank probably Shonzo's
Where they get the platelet I mean
I remember seeing it there
tacit plank
Oh, cool, thank you
On the website, the block button says "unblock" by default, at least when you click on friends. This is just a minor thing, but it might lead to people accidentally blocking their friends?
olive iron
try it
median basalt
Did they fix the mod impersonation exploit, or is nobody simply doing it anymore?
candid acorn
is it just me or is voice prioritization busted?
I swear, I can hear people farther from me better than people near me, as if it were reversed.
tepid cape
Anyone know why Gaia Night is dead now?
placid pumice
People probably just got bored of it
it's been around a while, lowkey wish the pug would die down and there would be a new default place to go
tepid cape
pug is too tight, especially in vr
lean dagger
any idea what the launch options for desktop mode is? (i know how to start it from steam but want a shortcut)
hm apparently its --no-vr but doesn't seem to work for me
nvm i forgot the second hyphen, its working
stark coral
Anyone have any idea why i can login or it takes 3 mins or loads to black 
vocal shard
@stark coral Are you using a VR headset ?
vocal shard
I wonder... did you try to clear the cache ?
vocal shard
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
tacit plank
There should put a "clear cache" bat file in there
vocal shard
Until VRChat gives us the choice of which folder to use for the cache, instead of having to create symbolic links to move it to an other drive.
astral cliff
anyone know which buttons reset you to the default avatar?
errant vault
The safe mode avatar?
I haven't heard of a short cut button to reset to default avatar +_-
safe prism
ctrl+\
hidden verge
who thinks there should be a visit count on places (vote)
scarlet tulip
just heard from someone that she knows people that can go into your files and delete your system 32? 😂 😂
she sounds pretty serious about it btw 😂
hidden verge
XD
fathom pendant
Anyone know why my avatar instantly turned into a red avatar when I uploaded it
wheat moth
@fathom pendant red means it's corrupted. Try reuploading it with the latest sdk
wheat moth
Try uploading it again... Lol
fathom pendant
No
vocal shard
Bad particle limiter or a bad connection can cause it too.
north axle
I hate that due to the time zones all the cool stuff is happening only at 5 or 6 AM.
vocal shard
i feel you on that one
sleek stratus
Has anyone ever gotten an avatar commision? If so, how much did it cost?
fathom pendant
It depends
@sleek stratus it could be either $10-200 people charge different prices it could even be more
What are u looking for though
@sleek stratus
vocal shard
he already asked in public lobby and got an answer, which is to look for the vrc trader discord in #community-servers-old
vocal shard
i see that you are still dumb too
getting kinda sad for you
fathom pendant
Ur probably fat asf
vocal shard
oh no you discovered my secret, how am i ever going to recover
vocal shard
just stop being fat
sleek stratus
thank you @fathom pendant
fathom pendant
no problem fat ass
vocal shard
unlocked?
compact kernel
i cant use downloaded avis
vocal shard
@compact kernel In order to get upload rights, make sure that you are using a VRChat account and not a Steam account to log on VRChat. Then you must keep playing until you get the upload rights. Some things seem to accelerate the process, such as adding/making friends and not getting kicked.
when do i get a feedback of my public world submission?
compact kernel
been doing so..
south viper
If only cool stuff occurred at 5am, I could try waking up for it
Instead, it occurs in the middle of my working day
sage chasm
is there any way i can change my vrc screenshot location?
i lost all my previous screenshots after formatting my C drive Orz
south viper
I use a directory junction to do it
But the solution to that specific problem is just to have backups
sage chasm
😦
vocal shard
@sage chasm You could create a symbolic link between the original folder on C and your custom folder on an other drive.
vocal shard
The command for that (to type in a command prompt with admin rights) is: mklink /D [Link] [Target]
sage chasm
ok i will give it a try 😄 Thats exactly what i need now
vocal shard
Are VRChat screencaps saved on the desktop itself btw ?
sage chasm
it saves in my c drive > Pictures > VRChat by default
i need a hard symoblic link right?
vocal shard
Not sure. I think I used a regular /d link instead of /h (hard) link.
sage chasm
"However, a hard link makes it appear as though the file or folder actually exists at the location of the symbolic link, and your applications won’t know any better. That makes hard symbolic links more useful in most situations."
its like an auto backup
vocal shard
Anyway it can be reversed if there's a problem pretty sure
You can also do the same thing with the VRChat cache itself, if it's filling your C: drive too much.
Handy when you don't want VRChat to write constantly to and fill your SSD.
sage chasm
@vocal shard Thank you 😃
still lark
It's nothing like a backup
vocal shard
It's more like... telling your system "All the stuff you want to put in that folder ? Put them there instead." Without making any copy or anything.
It's basically a bypass.
sage chasm
Orz
I got this msg from cmd : "The system cannot move the file to a different disk drive."
vocal shard
Ah what you could do is copy and paste the actual folder you want to backup, then create the symbolic link.
If it doesn't work with /h, maybe try /d
sage chasm
~<
vocal shard
Full command would be probably something like: mklink /d C:\Pictures\VRChat D:\myvrchatpics
for example
Replace D:\myvrchatpics with the destination folder you want of course
If you get errors, make sure you are opening a command prompt with admin rights (type cmd in start menu, hold ctrl+shift, press enter)
vocal shard
Should still work I think
vocal shard
tiny oxide
