@warped urchin Yes and when they are promised to be bi weekly you should atleast communicate on twitter or wherever that they arent going to be coming out.
#vrchat-general-2
glossy wharf
remote isle
you'd probably snag 1000 old players
warped urchin
and if you're seriously this butt hurt over a single video then you need to rethink your priorities.
remote isle
with that
glossy wharf
and not just go 8 weeks without any notice.
umbral oracle
Guys chill. Just enjoy vrchat with what you have and be happy when there's an update
remote isle
I'll be happy when they remove player collision on particles
vocal shard
@umbral oracle they enjoy it
glossy wharf
@warped urchin It is just an example of the many small things that can improve the communication.
hushed delta
who cares if a video comes out or not... just be happy that we get updates
jovial grail
I only have 2 problems with vrchat
warped urchin
As for communication they have this entire discord for that
they have them in game
glossy wharf
they have what ingame
jovial grail
- Is the stupid way the sensitivity works on the desktop version. When your frames drop your sensitivity increases
glossy wharf
Except you cant
covert chasm
The only guarantee we gave for Dev Updates was "we'll try to make them bi-weekly". They take a lot of time to make-- time that could be spent on another update, or more features, or etc. They are done when they're done. We'd love to do more (personally I'd like to release one every time we update VRChat) and I'd spend all my time making them if I could, but that simply isn't possible.
glossy wharf
In 99/100 cases i requested a mod it literally just said " no mods online "
vocal shard
"try" is the keyword here
warped urchin
Why are you requesting mods for something other then not a mod issue?
glossy wharf
Im not
im requesting them for mod issues and nothing happens
so why would they be there for non mod issues.
indigo fern
Tupper, do a podcast, we just wanna hear your voice 
azure wren
Yo when can i upload avatars?
glossy wharf
@covert chasm See and exactly that should be posted on twitter.
covert chasm
glossy wharf
To let people know.
covert chasm
You're welcome 😃
jovial grail
Tupper will the issue with mouse sensitivity be fixed ever?
warped urchin
Like I get where you're coming at honestly I see what you're talking about but like you gotta slow down and back up for a bit let people do their thing.
The devs are human too
remote isle
Just so ya'll know, in game avatar theft has been presently fixed per my tests.
hushed delta
ppl crying bc of stupid shit
remote isle
since they won't say it
jovial grail
When frames drop your sensitivity increases
covert chasm
Sure, post it on the Canny
distant charm
Video proof would be nice too for the canny post
ruby burrow
Most people do vastly underestimate the time scales involved in game development.
jovial grail
What's canny?
umbral reef
Tupper- Are you also the user who runs the twitter/other social media or does someone else have that as there task (Or is it shared 🤔 )
covert chasm
etc
placid umbra
@glossy wharf There are quite a few staff members that aren't explicitly moderators that spend lots of time in VRChat. Also thanks for the comment earlier, I know you're passionate and I understand that there's always room for improvement.
vast tulip
One issue with responding to every canny is if they ever say "this is a good idea" and it doesn't happen, people will take responses like that as a confirmation it's going to happen
jovial grail
Oh ok
vast tulip
I'm pretty sure people already do that when theys see "under review"
glossy wharf
@placid umbra Have you guys ever tried finding mods in the community?
jovial grail
Once I get home I will attempt to get footage of the bug
glossy wharf
For ingame that is
covert chasm
All of our Moderators are from the Community. 🤔 But we hire them. We don't use volunteer mods, except in the Discord.
glossy wharf
Yea and theres your problem.
distant charm
It's important to take into account the scope of VRChat along with its community and the amount of people they have on staff and their resources for any situation or request
cold talon
damet i forgot to ask spanner something 
karmic bear
A person who vocally wants to be a mod is the last person you want to be a mod
covert chasm
^
vocal shard
true
covert chasm
"The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
vocal shard
also you can't just put a random as mod, you need to know him
glossy wharf
I am fully aware of that, but there is a "account standing" system in there that tells you who behaves and who doesnt and it takes away the right to upload avatars
so why not make use of that.
covert chasm
that's from the Hitchhiker's Guide but it applies here 😃
hushed delta
let's be real: every one would find it cool to be a mod but shouting around "Make me a mod" won't to anything
ruby burrow
I've never been vocal about being a mod, hire me.
... Wait, I ruined it. Dang. ._.
jovial grail
If I got paid I would be a mod
covert chasm
Also, "add more moderators" doesn't scale. The better solution is to allow users to easily moderate themselves and report malicious users, etc. We're working on that.
jovial grail
Sit around, play a game, ban hackers
glossy wharf
Nobody said make anyone a mod, i just said it would make sense to choose community mods.
jovial grail
And get paid
vocal shard
Im just here for emotes
glossy wharf
@covert chasm How does that improve public instances, where most malicious users are?
karmic bear
Being a mod is a thankless task. Everything good you do will be forgotten but everything bad will be catalogued forever. People who want to be a mod for power or respect or to be a name are grade a public burnout material.
distant charm
cough
cold talon
damte ad
covert chasm
Then those users who aren't malicious can report the malicious users. That's how it works, at least in my head.
scenic bluff
That's how reporting works
cold talon
what about the gray area? 🤔
glossy wharf
The report system requires more than a screenshot of you being crashed and requesting a mod doesnt help.
covert chasm
Dunno. This isn't how a system like this would work exactly, I'm just spitballing randomly.
stable aurora
hi bahka 
scenic bluff
but the issue i see is that they will make a new account anyways
opaque remnant
like when you start a votekick on a malicious user in a public world, then they have their friends start one on you in retaliation and you're the one that end up getting kicked?
stable aurora
&oclac
cold talon
hi chipp
glossy wharf
I cant always have a recording run
umbral reef
@covert chasm To be fair- I fully agree with that you said- Said that myself in engrish ways BUT-
It has been proven that is a good infrastructure is set up, the moderation team gets picked extremely slowly and have very limited power once they start out while also being cross moderated (by other mods) and an payed users (Current VRC staff) it can work..
Have been part of an company + website that did that for years and it worked almost flawlessly ]
idle elm
Community Council
umbral reef
If you care enough i can write out how they did it- My NDA ran out anyway with them so i can spill all them beans 👌
tacit plank
What are the security updates?
glossy wharf
Literally states, they won't go into detail
tacit plank
I get details being secret, but is avatar stealing lessened now?
glossy wharf
so what's the point of asking.
distant charm
There is better security 
placid umbra
tacit plank
It must have some positive, indirect effect on me
glossy wharf
Your security has been improved.
covert chasm
security update status: is
glossy wharf
thats your effect.
north axle
Yeah. Besides, no one usually cares about their security as long as it's not obviously compromised, so don't mind it.
tacit plank
But how? Convince me that I'm somehow safer
glossy wharf
Nobody has to convince you of anything.
Tupper said it tupper is senpai.
believe tupper.
formal whale
Tupper has the update knocked sounds off avatars...
covert chasm
Don't think so Lolathon
umbral reef
Tupper word is fact 
tacit plank
A "Hackers should no longer steal your avatar" or "spawing in items is no longer possible" or something to that effect
covert chasm
you having problems?
covert chasm
DNA
glossy wharf
Sound is having a lot of problems atm, mics keep glitching out too 
formal whale
all my avatars, aren't playing sounds
azure wren
How2convince.
After the update a window pops up saying "you are now safer"
plain ridge
Oh no
ruby burrow
There is also bans on upload privileges.
glossy wharf
in the 20 mins of the update i played i had two people whos mics kept looping ingame.
ivory folio
do we have to move the config file to the new location?
scenic bluff
because they both can be avoided so easy now
covert chasm
eugh @formal whale that sucks. Can you DM me with avatar IDs and etc?
vocal shard
@ivory folio yes
scenic bluff
Is it possible to "hardware ban"
opaque remnant
someone told me they do hardware id bans for more serious infractions, but i have my doubts that is a thing
ivory folio
ok I made a config.json and the game just black screens upon start
umbral reef
@azure wren Make them fill in a quiz and all answers hint at that they are safer
opaque remnant
the other two are easily worked around
formal whale
sure tupper seems to be all, including ones from last year.../
north axle
@scenic bluff I believe they've been doing that for a while.
formal whale
there goes my stream tonight =/
hushed delta
if (SecurityIsThreatened) {dont(); }```for instance osu bans your motherboard from site and game
azure wren
"How safer do you feel?"
A:10
B:A
C:B
D:C
remote isle
uh none
tacit plank
Hardware bans are a thing, but you can bypass it. It's more of a "fuck you" to the cheaters and a hope that they won't bother
north axle
My world has a bunch of new bugs too, but I wonder if I need to reupload it with the new SDK.
opaque remnant
can't feel safer if i have no idea what kind of things they fixed. did they fix exploits relating to being able to log other users out? avatar stealing? crashing?
ruby burrow
Blizzard put out a scheme of highly effective hardware banning shortly after launching Overwatch, and the hacker community was raging out over it.
azure wren
"We fixed your security. Feel safer"
vocal shard
@azure wren you forgot "all of the above"
glossy wharf
You do realize if they give out info on what has been improved the exploiters have an easier time looking for what they need to exploit again.
Just live with it has been increased.
covert chasm
@glossy wharf If you get that mic repeating thing, please send me your logs
vocal shard
@opaque remnant log out is gone for now
azure wren
Lmao
opaque remnant
the exploiters figure that stuff out anyways
glossy wharf
@covert chasm Where exactly are they stored?
tacit plank
Security through obscurity doesn't work
vocal shard
hackers also can't steal your avatar in-game anymore
north axle
If there's only one good thing about Overwatch and a lot of other Blizzard games, it's the security and the customer service.
glossy wharf
@opaque remnant And if you dont tell them what has been changed it will take longer for them to find it out.
easy.
covert chasm
%AppData%\..\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat\output_log.txt
north axle
Damn it, that's two.
vocal shard
but you need to update your avatar
opaque remnant
if my friends are wondering if they should bother trying to play again, not saying anything isn't helpful
scenic bluff
You can remove service
glossy wharf
Well if your friends dont want to play telling them what has been changed wont change their attitude
scenic bluff
its not that great 
azure wren
I mean, whats the big danger in vrc rn?
vocal shard
@opaque remnant they can play again
umbral reef
@north axle The animations are also dope 👀
vocal shard
can't get your stuff stolen in-game anymore
umbral reef
So 3
north axle
It's above average.
vocal shard
just be sure to update the blueprint
plain ridge
Lag is the biggest danger
azure wren
Lago will always be a danger
umbral reef
Trap- Lag most of time happens because of users though
Not having 15 materials is hard for most
umbral oracle
Ya get rid of those pesky users
ruby burrow
@vocal shard Do you mean we need to re-up avatars for the new anti-steal to apply? Or did I mix up the conversations?
north axle
If only we had a material limit.
vocal shard
@ruby burrow yeah, you need to give your avatars a new blueprint ID
and they can't be yoinked in-game
umbral oracle
What about the private checkbox? That did nothing?
ruby burrow
Cool. Good to know. I'll make sure my favourite cool people are aware of that.
umbral reef
Private checkbox is for avatar pedestals
plain ridge
The private checkbox was more so about avatar pedestals if I recall
remote isle
ripping and ingame theft are different
in game theft using the old methods has been patched
to say the least
Ripping will never be patched
vocal shard
you can't steal in-game directly anymore
little river
Oooo VRChat Drama
vocal shard
but you can still cache rip
glossy wharf
@covert chasm Looking at my output log it seems to be the one of me trying to rejoing after getting the error and then timing out, so i guess my log wont be of any use, i will try to reproduce.
umbral oracle
my understanding is people used to just swap into your blueprint id, not download recompile and reupload. Sure reupload is not stoppable
opaque remnant
isn't that a unity thing? what can vrchat realistically do about it?
ruby burrow
I disliked feeling like I needed to avoid using my more personal AVs, just to avoid casual theft.
rough flax
There's a simple way to fix ripping in general, and temporary.
north axle
Not as much drama as it could be.
ruby needle
there is no final ripping fix except having a cloud computed game just sending you the video
covert chasm
If there's a simple way to fix ripping content from memory, sell it to EA/Activision/etc for millions 😃
small ginkgo
don't want to come off the wrong way here, but I am a game developer who wants to build some stuff for VRchat but I don't have 12 hours to dick away using the regular avatars and stuff. Could I get access to uploading earlier or is it acceptable if I just leave it running for 12 hours...
remote isle
^
Tupper is right
go make your millions
by not rendering to a graphics card
big fucking x d
ruby needle
@small ginkgo no
glossy wharf
easy money
glossy wharf
share some of your millions with tupper when you get them, he gave you the tip
rough flax
Have someone draw a bunch of frames
umbral oracle
Wat?
remote isle
It cannot
little river
@rough flax Did you earn that Purple Heart?
covert chasm
No, it cannot
small ginkgo
@ruby needle to which part
glossy wharf
How would a shader prevent texture ripping.
vocal shard
@covert chasm you have some contact with the devs right ? i'm curious about something
ruby needle
@small ginkgo Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
umbral reef
@small ginkgo Id suggest emailing them to hello@vrchat.com about it
They only handle that stuff on emails IF they even are willingly to do it
Also i suggest you provide as much info about the company and stuff as you can
remote isle
Nothing in this game is unrippable
umbral reef
Or just do as paul said
ruby burrow
@small ginkgo Sorry Stark, you'll need to actually play the game normally to upload. Idling won't work.
azure wren
Paul the copypaste king
hushed delta
**We cannot and will not bypass the Content Gating system for any users. **
remote isle
its a fact for every game
vocal shard
if i put a model on pedestal and then change it to private, what happen to people that wear the avatars ? do they get 👏 ?
umbral oracle
The ripper was using buggy software. Maybe it didn't support surface shaders
rough flax
@little river yes, I died reviving my teammates in bf3 over and over.
covert chasm
@vocal shard Not a clue but I imagine they'll continue to have the avatar on until its checked again or something
remote isle
Tupper
covert chasm
dunno /shrug
covert chasm
???
rough flax
@little river Purple Heart is my waifu, it's an anime thing.
little river
@rough flax Ah, gotcha
small ginkgo
well that blows, I was hoping to use VR chat as the basis to start my online persona with.
hushed delta
azure wren
Will there ever be a feature to save avatar got from words?
glossy wharf
@small ginkgo Looks like your online persona isnt important enough to you then
small ginkgo
weirdly enough my friend got access in less than 12 hours
rough flax
I would literally run out into the open, die just to revive someone, usually they survived. @little river
remote isle
The old methods of swapping to a users model is patched
rough flax
#trusted tag
umbral reef
@small ginkgo You can still do that- Just have to invest some time playing first and testing the limits of the game- Maybe even get some idea's of what the things are you can do within the game and try out idea's in worlds to see how far idea's can be pushed
remote isle
there is a new method
umbral reef
Think of it like that
remote isle
so maybe dm your boy
small ginkgo
@glossy wharf I have 8 game projects in the oven and work a side job. Time is money
ruby burrow
@small ginkgo If you do play normally, it doesn't take that long honestly.
azure wren
@small ginkgo i got it in less than 3 HR so Its not really a matter of time
little river
@viral stratus Appeal or pander?
small ginkgo
weird...
placid umbra
@azure wren There's a canny post for that https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/able-to-save-avatar-from-avatar-pedestal
little river
@rough flax You deserve that purple heart you sweet prince
covert chasm
@small ginkgo We don't bypass the gating system for any users, unfortunately. If you just spend time playing, making a few friends, and exploring for a night or two, then you'll get past gating.
azure wren
Oh thanks
rough flax
vocal shard
@placid umbra yo aev, what happen if somebody is wearing my publi avatar and then i change it to private ?
do they switch to default ?
ruby burrow
I got mine pretty within two days, roughly 14 hours play.
vocal shard
or do they get 👏 by the system
ruby needle
Saving avatars from world is something a lot of users want but artists not so much @azure wren
little river
@vocal shard Then you're branded an Indian-giver
small ginkgo
whenever I can find the time to play. I got to binge it the other night, but that wasn't enough I guess
glossy wharf
@vocal shard Pretty sure they will keep it but it will not load for other users.
placid umbra
I believe they'd be swapped to a default avatar, not 100% sure
small ginkgo
well side question
ruby needle
I think that was the behaviour in the beta too Aev
vocal shard
okay thanks
remote isle
@placid umbra they are
ruby burrow
Also make sure you're on a VR Chat account, and not a Steam account.
remote isle
however there is a new method @placid umbra
ruby burrow
Steam = No uploads.
small ginkgo
how difficult might it be to migrate a scene from UE4 to Unity for the purpose of uploading a level in VR chat?
ruby burrow
( I honestly feel like that needs to be a warning when signing up. )
placid umbra
If you have info to report, please email it to moderation@vrchat.com.
covert chasm
If you've already reported it, do it again to remind us. 😛
small ginkgo
already set that up. Actually before I booted up VR chat with the new account it let me upload a model, but it didn't show up
azure wren
@ruby needle but tell smth to my paesant brain. Why does the artist release his/her avatar for free in a world so that ppl can get it whenever they want, but have problems if ppl just take it?
glossy wharf
@azure wren Because there is people making money with said thing.
little junco
@azure wren some people sell them
glossy wharf
And there is people that have no problem providing it as a temporary thing.
plain ridge
Having the avatar on an avatar pedestal brings users back to the world and makes it easier to avoid people saying they made the avatar since they can’t just switch to it in any world.
azure wren
Some ppl sell other ppl avatars?
remote isle
Yes
glossy wharf
Some people sell their own avatars.
remote isle
or assets from them
glossy wharf
Yes.
azure wren
But like
azure wren
If the avatar is free For all, then noone would buy it
north axle
Sometimes, yeah, but they usually prefer custom-made avatars.
azure wren
So basically
plain ridge
Can also pay to have things like signs or watermarks in the avatar removed as well
glossy wharf
@north axle except those are way more expensive.
azure wren
Artists wanna make money out of it?
glossy wharf
Yes watermarks usually get removed.
north axle
Depends.
glossy wharf
Why would artists not wanna make money out of something they spent time on.
If you have the chance to do so i dont see whats wrong with it.
vocal shard
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
umbral reef
Its almost like people who spend hours making things dont want everyone to claim/own there stuff but still care enough to share there things 👀
azure wren
Yeah thats a point
vocal shard
@covert chasm you have any control on the bots ?
you should update the ouputlog command
north axle
I guess because there's no obvious platform for the market, but even in that case, the market still exists.
glossy wharf
There are platforms.
little junco
^
glossy wharf
The community forums for example
north axle
There's only VRC Traders.
umbral reef
@brisk bone Cant they just live at there parents house /s
north axle
I mean, there needs to be a marketplace for the market.
polar rose
Anyone just getting q black screen when trying to load into world's?
glossy wharf
the worlds advertise it if they make them
umbral reef
Man i triggered myself by writing what i did :notlikethis;
polar rose
New patch has fukt something
ruby burrow
Yeah, friend of mine was getting that black screen thing. He tried different worlds until one loaded, and now seems fine.
tacit plank
I just tested this new security, I'm not super optimistic
I just ripped my own avatar
vocal shard
@tacit plank cache rip ?
ruby burrow
Did you re-upload the avatar before this test?
umbral oracle
Did you upload a new blueprint id
ruby burrow
With the new SDK?
azure wren
I still havent logged vrc
tacit plank
I didn't update the SDK no
ruby burrow
Also needs new id, yes.
placid umbra
Keep in mind that discussing methods for hacking/cheating in VRChat is against the rules, don't push that line please.
tacit plank
Maybe newer avatars will be more secure. And I don't think I exposed anything
I don't want avatar stealers either
placid umbra
Just a warning so that the discussions stay reasonable
vocal shard
but fuck if i know
polar rose
I've tried loading into different world's 7 times now and deleted my cache and verified
tacit plank
That avatar stealing is an issue to begin with is just as much of a hint I think
Have you tried the usual fixes tae?
fervent crypt
hackers can't steal models anymore
cold talon
oh so we talking about ripping now? 👀
tacit plank
Guess I will test with a new avatar
covert chasm
@polar rose contact support@vrchat.com
fervent crypt
can go to public worlds not being scared to get it stolen
vocal shard
Tupper please
tacit plank
Try reinstalling, it broke on an update, so maybe something went wrong in the process
vocal shard
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
placid umbra
Thanks for the heads up!
polar rose
My whole grp is getting same issue as me
placid umbra
In case anyone is looking for it, it's now in C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat as output_log.txt
polar rose
Seems there is some larger issue here
ivory folio
yeah don't bother emailing support, they'll just give a canned answer
remote isle
^
polar rose
Joining a pug with 1 person worked. But joining any that are almost full just soft locks the game and forces me to restart due to a black screen.
ivory folio
have you moved/deleted your old particle limiter?
vocal shard
and cleared your cache?
polar rose
Not a localised issue. Friends reporting same issue
remote isle
I'd post a screenshot of this outsourced indian support if i could
polar rose
Yup
placid umbra
If you had a particle limiter config, delete it or move it somewhere else for now.
polar rose
Done usual stuff, friends doing it now too to no avail
tacit plank
I like the new outputlog
polar rose
Had no particle limiter
vocal shard
move it to the right place
remote isle
"There reason for you ban"
vocal shard
and rename it
remote isle
thats english
placid umbra
@tacit plank Oh believe me, me too
polar rose
Only busy/certain lobbies are broken
remote isle
then the ban reason was wrong.
remote isle
Clapped a friend in that ban wave who literally just makes stuff with animators because he was in a lobby with a few people with clients
caught it the crossfire
appeal
get broken english
tacit plank
It used to give out some info that people shouldn't have
uncut gorge
time to revert the patch @covert chasm
remote isle
And it's hard to not associate with people using custom clients when they are in every public lobby.
cold talon
remote isle
lol
vocal shard
i don't see the point of custom clients
remote isle
I mean prove me wrong
remote isle
roll up in a open mic night
covert chasm
A "fix" is not "disable literally every shader, custom animation override, and particle system"
remote isle
and don't get yoinked or crashed
vocal shard
Tupper being too real
covert chasm
Already available in particle limiter
umbral oracle
Disabling shaders won't stop all gpu hangs
remote isle
buddy this is public lobbies
uncut gorge
is there going to be a fix out today for this black screen/can't join a busy instance bug today?
vocal shard
and i'm always fucking around in public worlds
umbral oracle
And it will kill the community creativity
covert chasm
"add a shader black list" and who'd maintain that blacklist? How would it identify shaders?
remote isle
Shader blacklist is super easy to implement
you do
If I can view a players shaders and blacklist them on the fly
then any other player should be able to
azure wren
I never got crashed by smone acyually
vocal shard
adding a shader limit is a really really bad idea
umbral oracle
If I change 1.01 to 1.02 in your blacklisted shader is it still blacklisted?
remote isle
you can view shader names
azure wren
And i have implemented graphic
azure wren
Means i run vrc at 1 fps
covert chasm
don't even need to do that. Just change the name of the shader. Blacklist/whitelist is not a solution.
remote isle
it really is
umbral oracle
Moderation avoids most of the issues imho
placid umbra
@uncut gorge Did you use the particle limiter in the past?
umbral oracle
Better mod tools
remote isle
You're literally telling one of the people who developed the fix you're using for avatars that he's wrong.
uncut gorge
nope, never touched it
cold talon
shader limit pfttttt
remote isle
stop monging out
vocal shard
we just need better self moderation tool
raven silo
@vocal shard there custom particle limiter dont need to use it
ruby burrow
Near identical shaders can be created under a million different names. There's no way to consistently identify them.
vocal shard
like selecting someone and forcing all his shader to standard
cold talon
shader whitelist 
vocal shard
so he cant do anything
covert chasm
@uncut gorge Try following the steps in #vrchat-support
umbral reef
Making a shader that is almost the same but isnt an exact copy can be made within a second...
vocal shard
just add a way to block all shaders from a single dude not a specific shader
azure wren
What about blocking that person?
ruby burrow
A white list would work, but would probably receive a huge backlash from creators.
umbral oracle
They have that just block him or his avatar
vocal shard
sometime i dontr want to block the dude
umbral oracle
What's the point of seeing a broken version of an avatar
azure wren
So he/she wont crash you again?
vocal shard
just that he got a shader that is a bit annoying for now
remote isle
You seem so interested in our fixes
raven silo
just use block feature simple solution
vocal shard
i have some friends that got some animation with some shaders that can be annoying for a bit
umbral oracle
Is there no block just avatar but keep him around
Maybe block only the avatar would be a nice feature like when you have all avatars blocked
azure wren
choughGhostochough
vocal shard
or block a specific avatar is good too
some people create a world with crash avatars in it
so everybody got the same one
just block that specific avatar
so nobody can use it against you
umbral reef
Then you should report that stuff once you get crashed and they all get banned
remote isle
Doesn't matter with current theft fixed
umbral oracle
Would be way easier to implement. It's possible to break stuff even with default shader so I'm not sure blocking shaders is a useful solution
umbral reef
Not like that has happened before that the owner of a bad avatar got banned because someone else with it got reported
ruby burrow
Being able to block just the avatars of specific users would be amazing. Is there a canny for that I might of missed? ._.
remote isle
people won't be using the same id's anymore
Adding a shader blacklist is 10fold better than the absolute fucking nothing you're currently doing
lol
raven silo
problem add feature no one use the feature still complain lol
reason there block for reason
vocal shard
umbral oracle
Until somebody is abusive with the Standard shader and gets it blacklisted too
azure wren
Why dont you just block them tho
ruby burrow
Thanks Svel
karmic bear
Security fix: Disabled VRChat.
umbral reef
Nono krosskeys- Its still not safe then- Gotta remove all the users
remote isle
Using my blacklist but no collision I've yet to be crashed in months
ruby burrow
You can still block people after a crash. You just search their name in social.
remote isle
and there is no abuse within it
karmic bear
We should just go back to early 90's text MUCKs
azure wren
Lesgo back to floppy disk
umbral oracle
Because only you are using it. Once everyone has your blacklist, crashers will start getting creative out of necessity
cold talon
did someone say floppys?
karmic bear
*** KROSSKEYS has entered the PUG
KROSSKEYS DABS
Krosskeys: wat up thots
remote isle
they already do
they rename shaders daily
giving the player options
has no downside
placid umbra
@fiery moth Where did you put the config?
raven silo
go to vrchat.com login then go search for person name then hit block buttonhttps://i.gyazo.com/743589fc742b2ad54d7c1531a4606eda.png
remote isle
Its the same as the particle limiter
no reason not to have an optional shader blacklist
It's not 100% effective
but its more effective then nothing
indigo yacht
is you tube video playing gone fro vr chat?
placid umbra
No
granite coral
video players should be separate from the web panels
indigo yacht
we were suposto watch some quality memes
raven silo
is it white screen?
azure wren
Lmao bahka
cold talon
shuush
azure wren
cold talon
asking the real questions here norvan
azure wren
Yeah sounds right
azure wren
Im intrigued too
placid umbra
Do you also have a config file in C:\Users\User\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat?
indigo yacht
were you asking from me ?
fiery moth
Yeah
It was black screening even before adding any files to begin with though, just not upon loading in
Game is basically borked for me, 50% of the time when I login & switch to a world, it just outright black screens
indigo yacht
i have only vrchat sub folder and vrchat output log in appdata local low
should i just reinstall whole thing ?
vocal shard
@tacit plank you still here?
fiery moth
I already uninstalled, cleared the Steam folder, verified file integrity, & everything
Still black screening me
placid umbra
To start, definitely delete the config file in C:\Users\User\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\
fiery moth
Done, wasn't there to begin with, until you mentioned it, guessed it needed to be there, rip
vocal shard
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
vocal shard
YAY it's fixed
placid umbra
If you get a black screen when you load in, please send the output log to support@vrchat.com
ivory folio
what happens to people that already have stolen your avatars?
do they get reset to a default or what?
tacit plank
They get banned
ivory folio
🤔
vocal shard
yo caffeine
tacit plank
It doesn't matter if they're using your avatar if they can't log into it anyways
Hey
Sorry I was just eating
vocal shard
take the blueprint ID of a model
upload something new to it
like a cube
and reupload that original model with a new blueprint
try to get it from the API
i wanna see if that's fixed
tacit plank
Will it give me size 48 text saying "lol no"?
vocal shard
i sure hope so
ivory folio
how do you get the file url though?
tacit plank
I'm too lazy to test it right now, but I can tell that they made avatar stealing harder, at least remotely
I forgot how to get any avatar, I just got my own which was easier
still lark
I doubt that
ivory folio
well the urls arent in the logs anymore
tacit plank
The issue is that they would send you the asset url for no good reason, so it's not unthinkable that they removed it
magic agate
Has anyone been suddenly crashing kind of often since updating?
still lark
There is a good reason
tacit plank
You are bound to download avatars, so stealing will always be possible, but it's probably harder now, and you might not be able to do it remotely
still lark
For debugging purposes
tacit plank
Just give them unique IDs, there's no reason to give a download link too
still lark
What ID?
north axle
Oh my God, I just realized I can now use messages as notifications about new stuff on Virtual Week-ality.
Maybe I should create a different account for that.
still lark
Definitely
still lark
What
still lark
I know
remote isle
The only thing they've done is remove a few references to them.
and not allow requests
if the usrID doesn't match
for private uploads
granite coral
well, that sounds something at least
long venture
i tried joining the presentation room twice and it just shows a black screen :C
placid umbra
Please grab your output log and send it to support@vrchat.com
uncut gorge
should probably roll back the patch until that's fixed
long venture
little rune
Is there going to be a fix for full body? It's completely broken client side
remote isle
sending things to support@vrchat.com
little rune
At least they're aware
polar jasper
Define broken?
vocal shard
the wrist doesnt work apparently
little rune
The arms are constantly twisted while in full body.
twilit elk
anyone else having problems getting into the great pug whilst in vr? like just getting a black screen when inside was wondering if anyone was getting the same thing
vocal shard
anyone getting black screen everywhere
rough pulsar
@little rune Have you tried enabling and then disabling panic mode?
uncut gorge
@little rune another thing we reported in beta
vocal shard
black screen happen more often when you got a lot of people in the instance
little rune
I'm not entirely sure how that will fix it? @rough pulsar
little rune
I can't load into most worlds anyway since I get an instant black screen.
odd blaze
Yep black screens all over the place 😛 sorta random wich one i can get into but Pug sure is one of them that give me that easy in vr
uncut gorge
@vocal shard and I'm regularly in instances wiht 20-30 people, shit should be rolled back until they fix it
rough pulsar
@little rune In the previous release I had an issue with fullbody where the wrists would twist badly (local only) and doing the panic mode toggle caused all avatars to reinitialize locally, which 'fixed' the wrist twist for me.
covert chasm
If you are getting black screens, you need to get your logs, follow the steps in #vrchat-support , and send us the logs. Extremely, extremely important.
vocal shard
black screen happen more often in very populated instances, like the Pug
so y'all need to be patient for now
uncut gorge
@rough pulsar that was a side effect of how loading in an avatar would make the game hitch for a moment. That has been fixed so the panic mode/mute all users fix doesn't work anymore
little rune
I'll try it next time Gallium. It's a bit of a pain though. Since you'll get FPS drops upon loading everyone's models.
uncut trail
So new update is borked ?
night lark
i made a vrchat character with a tail that can move with the right arm xd
vast tulip
If it's a bug that only happens with a ton of people, that seems like the kind of bug that needs to be fixed in release. Hopefully if they get enough logs this can be fixed now. I don't think open beta ever got as busy as it was the first night which would explain not seeing the bug again until now
ruby needle
unfortunately some bugs only start appearing in mass 
vast tulip
Yep. Most bugs I've ever seen make it out of beta were always the ones that only happen when a ton of people are involved
Like the audio bug that was fixed 10 times
idle elm
I hope a solution can be found to test with the right amount of people in the future 😃
yeah
vast tulip
I bet if tupper arranged beta meetups we can :> just a simple announcement to go in open beta
still lark
If I get mentioned about a neetup, I'd definitely join.
I just never know when people are on the beta
uncut gorge
@vast tulip there were big meetups in open beta, even gave them videos of the full body IK problems
distant charm
ping please
polar jasper
@vast tulip Tupper did say something creating a open-beta role that people could opt-in for to receive notifications when a new open beta was released 😛
little rune
At this point it's best to revert the update, there's currently way too many problems. Just like what Onward did with their update
still lark
I'd be all for that Phaxe
tacit plank
Unity trees seem to draw on top of my menu
Well, the outline of the tiny branches does
uncut gorge
@little rune agree 100%
remote isle
2018.08.23 18:17:26 Error - PhotonView.owner (player) is null. Not sure how this even happens.
not sure how this even happens
not sure how this even happens
lul
who wrote that in
tacit plank
Sounds like a programmer
polar jasper
Seems like your play space has been moved @vocal shard as you spawn offset from the spawn point
tacit plank
Is the black screen issue related to that?
I wonder if it's the same for VR users and if having playspace mover affects it then
vocal shard
Yep looks that way. Strange thing is, never messed with my playspace
polar jasper
Try resetting it I guess
languid compass
i like a lot of these new update features
but the online/busy/available circle statuses are too large
lol
cold talon
28?
hmm twitter ?
tacit plank
56 bytes to tell people what's on my mind 😛
next glade
is that THE vrpill
silk olive
Is that THE meep?
granite coral
Is that THE dal dal?
cold talon
is that THE scruffy?
still lark
🤔
tacit plank
What if you paste 32 4byte characters?
still lark
Checking now
umbral reef
doing so would mean you can not interact with any user on the new versions anyway...
not for long really
karmic talon
Why reroll?
vocal shard
Anyone else having issues loading into worlds with the new updates?
vocal shard
^
umbral reef
tried all stuff within #vrchat-support yet?
vocal shard
I mean
we know for a FACT its the update thats the issue
From one moment to the next stuff stops working lol
still lark
@tacit plank https://i.scruffyrules.com/s6rpx4.png
tacit plank
Lol nice
still lark
Yeah lol
karmic bear
lmao @still lark that is such a dev site
still lark
tyty
karmic bear
"I have said everything I need to say.. but the page is empty as shit... I know I'll put in a picture of code from WebStorm... still looks lame.. lets blur it... that'll do"
Dev site: Impeccable code, blank and utilitarian af.
Designer site: Feast for the eyes. Code hell/Wordpress
still lark
Yes, WebStorm, you guessed that totally right.
still lark
karmic bear
I think I went with Webstorm because you work for Ion Programming and Ion made me think of the JS wrapper
still lark
karmic bear
nah s'ok I'm done, I have no further reason to talk to you
vocal shard
o o f
crisp pine
Is VRChat down rn? The loading screen starts up normally, at 0%, and then I just get a black screen. Even after multiple restarts of SteamVR the issue persists.
It's like an instant black screen and nothing changes for minutes.
No loading.
remote isle
yes
vocal shard
Its not down
still lark
Do you get off to bashing others @karmic bear ? lmao
remote isle
Because the client is pinging the api 100 times a second
^^
for every user
online
crisp pine
O jeez
karmic bear
Well no, just the conversation was at a close... I said "nice site" you said "thanks bruh" and we went on with out lives.
still lark
That's not how it went. wtf
vocal shard
Wonder whats causing the problems?
crisp pine
No idea, but if anyone is reading this and would like to be charitable enough, could someone @ me or IM me when it's playable again? : 3
tacit plank
Mine works fine
crisp pine
Broken here, too. Not able to load new worlds ^_^
vocal shard
i cant sneeze
brittle jolt
Whats with this weird output-log line btw? xD
"2018.08.24 01:11:23 Log - I am NOT MASTER"
Is that just for Debug?
polar jasper
It's default information
brittle jolt
But speaking in First Person in an Output Log seems a bit odd...
Would have expected something like:
"client is not master of room"
brittle jolt
It definitely sounds more epic, gotta give you that.
urban quartz
merp
vocal shard
update broke the game
urban quartz
if anyone is bored and wants to check out 50-ish works of vapor wave art go tooo
SYNES Vaporwave VR Art Gallery
if you can somehow unbreak yourself back into vrchat
raw sequoia
Can confirm: VRChat Machine 🅱roke
raw sequoia
the age old adage: Never play on Patch Day
brittle jolt
Unless the Patch contains Security Issues... then its better to not play on Patch Day ;D
brittle jolt
No what I said was just a joke
This patch has no (known) security issues, but this Patch contains a nasty bug that sometimes prevents Players from loading into worlds corrrectly.
vocal shard
If you can lol
brittle jolt
Yeah that seems to be a problem rn
vocal shard
Most of the time you cant load a world
odd blaze
hey least i got a new drinking game, every black screen i get take a shot , 19 so far , i been in SL a long time so i know the troubles you can run into patchdays , it will get better just time and figuring things that breaks it will fix it someday
zinc badger
smart
halcyon ingot
The patch has no known security issues as stated, just some annyoing/funny bugs
It's still an early access game, the bugs will be fixed soon
brittle jolt
Well at least the VRChat Devs are not EA and making you pay full prize for bugged garbage with micro transactions
vocal shard
^^^
brittle jolt
The game is free, but so are the bugs
vocal shard
In the other chat I said that the VRchat team do an amazing job, especially since its a free game
Unlike other companies
brittle jolt
And a rather small team
vocal shard
Who make you pay for trash games and then dont fix anything
halcyon ingot
Honestly tho, im surprised some of these bugs made it into the live version tbh
brittle jolt
Yeah
vocal shard
While the vrchat team seems to do a better job despite the ods
brittle jolt
they feel like something that shouldnt go unnoticed
vocal shard
so I got mad respect for them
halcyon ingot
fill us with knowledge aev
brittle jolt
Status Report would be neat
raw sequoia
Like Fallout 4 VR's Release Day Resolution Problem
placid umbra
We've had this in open beta for a while now with testing, things manage to get through sometimes though
placid umbra
On that note, we really appreciate our open beta testers!
brittle jolt
Well but "Early Access" is mostly used as almost an excuse
vocal shard
ya, most people use that as an excuse
VRchat IS early access
And truly is
But other games use it as an excuse to be lazy
halcyon ingot
Early access tends to be treated as a crutch
vocal shard
cough pubg
brittle jolt
Well the question is if it will ever exit Early Access Hell
halcyon ingot
We can only hope
vocal shard
once it is ready I am sure it will
placid umbra
I'm still surprised when I see Early Access on Fortnite loading screens, feels like a finished game to me
halcyon ingot
Fortnite is early access?
halcyon ingot
Ooof
raw sequoia
I've heard games get benefits if they stay in beta
raw sequoia
Something about allowing more frequent updates or something too?
vocal shard
And cant be held accountable for refunds due to bugs and stuff like that
game is broken af now
nah the yare fixing it
keep your panties on
They got this
placid umbra
Fix should be out soon ™
raw sequoia
oof
vocal shard
oh ok
brittle jolt
"I have a dream, that one day, this game will rise up"
raw sequoia
They hit us with the Soon
brittle jolt
Love that TM @placid umbra :P
vast tulip
@placid umbra it doesn't have character creation, not finished! 😛 unless that's changed now
brittle jolt
We're working on it ™
vocal shard
Well, consider this, VRchat is a beta game, used with Vr equipment most people I know describe as buggy to begin with
So anyone expecting perfection 100% of the time is stupid
because its all a work in progress
halcyon ingot
soon can mean anything
vocal shard
ya cause they are a good dev team
vocal shard
nah, Garen losing his silence on his Q soon
It just sucks because it seems after every new update they break something 
wintry wave
whats with the red nameplate
wintry wave
i cant join a lobby when theres a red nameplate on the ground
vocal shard
So it doesnt happen again
especially in full release
People expecting a perfect game in beta 
brittle jolt
Btw I would gladly apply as a Beta Tester since in every game I played so far, I have broken or find a way to abuse a Game Mechanic after like 15 minutes xD
placid umbra
If everything goes as planned, the fix should be out within 30 mins
vocal shard
Oh yell ya
brittle jolt
Dont like that if there
vocal shard
Like, the Av that spawns a bucket with colliders
So small people can climb on top and get onto the bar in the pug
zinc badger
is the black screen thing a part of the patch bug
placid umbra
Yes
vocal shard
yes
vocal shard
Thats the main issue everyone is talking about. That and disconnecting
halcyon ingot
I love the people who keep duplicating xD
placid umbra
Black screen, red nameplates stuck at spawn, people duplicating, etc
brittle jolt
The usual
raw sequoia
in the meantime, we go through my YouTube Favorites playlist and listen to the cacophony of music ranging from metal to Rockefeller Street.
placid umbra
@zinc badger For that, please send avatar IDs and your output log to support@vrchat.com
zinc badger
k ill check my avatar first to see if i broke it
raw sequoia
Oh boy there's Katyusha too
brittle jolt
Where/How do you even apply as a Beta Tester @placid umbra?
zinc badger
glad the dev team is on this
vocal shard
Like I said before, its a good dev team
I have yet to see them slack when it comes to this stuff
raw sequoia
I wonder what Prime Time is for VRChat
placid umbra
Our beta tests are open, check out #open-beta-info
pallid vapor
Japanese prime time seems to have the most people nowadays
placid umbra
Because Unity
indigo fern
Bless unity 
halcyon ingot
I hope we move to a new unity version sooner rather than later, its best to rip that bandaid of quickly
game broke
halcyon ingot
they are
pallid vapor
They're working on it
indigo fern
Nintendo needs to fix their game 
north axle
nintendo feecks unity plez
sage pewter
@halcyon ingot You're being absurd when you day the devs need to fix Little Mac's hitboxes
It's Bayonetta that's the problem. her ladder combo is total bs
indigo fern
His boxes need to be bigger, fix now
No less than bus sized pls
sage pewter
Cloud sized
indigo fern
If he hits like a truck, the boxes should be truck sized, it only makes sense
sage pewter
I am floored by your overwhelmingly logical statement
vocal shard
What do you mean
"this soon"
People have been doing that for a while dude lol
They are getting dealt with but this is already an established issue
pale crescent
game broke 
median basalt
He means "this soon" because rumor has been going out that they fixed this
Of course, it's not in the patch notes so there's no way to know
pale crescent
i just want them to update unity
cold ibex
Does anyone know if the black screen problem is fixed lmao (:
pale crescent
i'm sure they'll get a fix out today
cold ibex
Yeah I guessed, I didn’t wanna go back on then yeah etc etc...
remote isle
Avatar theft is patched bud
You can only steal avatars marked as public now
anything uploaded with private option tick
is immune from in game theft
cold ibex
👏🏼
brittle jolt
A patch is coming now according to @placid umbra ;D
indigo fern
Lul, why did you ping him
placid umbra
Build 621 going out now, should fix the black screen issues
pale crescent
ayyye
halcyon ingot
@placid umbra Does it affect the duplication issues, and repeating audio, or should we expect a further patch later?
cold ibex
Yayyayaya
vocal shard
Oh its out?