Not gonna click that.
#vrchat-general-2
safe prism
need public test server that devs/mods don't enforce stuff on so people can use the game as an experimentation testbed owo
calm jay
'experimentation'
safe prism
reasonable IK and free reign over the game? funfunfun
calm jay
test 'bed'
humble marsh
Oh well gonna fix a few more things before bed, take care guys!
Report those who try to harm others.
If you see one.
calm jay
Gladly.
humble marsh
Btw since your account is tied to your steam, maybe the users who do these things could be reported to the police.
cedar brook
Hey what happened to mmd avatar dance stage? Is that room coming back up soon?
humble marsh
Or well nvm, might not work everybody isn't using SteamVR I perhaps.
calm jay
That actually brings up an interesting question.
If someone gets sexually assaulted in game, how is it handled, apart from a potential ban?
Do the police get involved at all? I would think that they do, but this is such a new field that legal precidents might not yet be set. I haven't really seen much on this.
And not just sexual assault, but things like @humble marsh mentioned where they were purposely trying to induce a seizure.
From a philosophical standpoint, in regards to assessing the legal ramifications, is it possible to harm someone by molesting them in game?
Would that be any different than shooting them in a multiplayer match?
Or even just shooting them in the Pug with some sort of particle/prop effect.
This is a very interesting area of ethics to study I think.
<-Studied ethics in college.
humble marsh
@calm jay I'm a guy but you can't rape in VR, not yet at least. Also you should be able to turn off touch and such have options for it you know.
Seizure inducing stimulus you can't look away from is a different matter because it can end with injury or death.
calm jay
I know there's a personal space feature that makes someone invisible if you get too close.
I agree. Right now that's a very real life threatening risk.
The nature of VR is very taxing on anyone's physiology, and some people are much more susceptible to certain aspects of it.
It would be really cool if there was a way to design features such that sudden flashes of light could be detected and suppressed by software.
humble marsh
It can.
calm jay
So that maybe they are much more dull in color or intensity.
I'm not an expert in neurology I don't really know how this shit works, but yeah.
humble marsh
Could also be that content has to be reviewed before use but that'd need additional staff I assume.
@calm jay I got a seizure from watching the transformation sequence in Sailor Moon when I was eleven once 😄
Only time I ever had a seizure.
humble marsh
Luckily it's harder to get seizures as an adult afaik.
calm jay
Fuckin ACTIVATE INTERLOCK
humble marsh
Haha
humble marsh
Yeah there used to be a lot of kids show with flashing shit.
Hahaha yeah.
It aired before Pokemon on Saturday mornings don't judge me I'm not the one with an anime avatar here 🤔
calm jay
flashy light warning.
I fuckin love voltron.
Lulz, you gotta point there.
Who am I to judge?
A cat dude....
Judging is what I do.
Lol.
modern sand
You guys mind moving to #general-media pls
humble marsh
Sorry.
modern sand
no worries
inner cape
calm jay
no prob @modern sand
indigo fern
ponged
austere gulch
Just got logged out of vrchat and now it's saying my account can't be found when trying to log in. Cool.
opaque sleet
same
austere gulch
Not sure. None of my friends are having any issues atm.
meager solstice
Weird
opal rivet
I am having issuesas well
austere gulch
Managed to get on, but now I can't see any of my avatars. dgfkhjg
opal rivet
Major lag loading avatars and worlds, some people with red error avatars, login issues (Logged in once in VR to utter black)
turbid igloo
Yeah, logged out in game. Can’t get on again. Took a lot of tries to even log into the desktop site.
opal rivet
Some other people I'm talking to having similar problems.
cosmic trail
I'm starting to experience that as well
urban rain
me too, I can't log in
turbid igloo
Gonna check other discord’s, see if friends are booted as well.
modern sand
We're looking into it, hang tight
urban rain
thx
turbid igloo
No sweat guys, just making sure it wasn’t an issue on my end. You guys do you.
vocal shard
H
pseudo dawn
I see I'm not the only one.
I just hope I don't lose all my avatars and friends because of this.
Because right now, I have login issues, none of my personal avatars available for use, and my friends list won't load up or is just completely empty.
median basalt
Yeah, they'll fix it
vale aurora
Same happening to me managed to log in but all my favorite worlds and friends were gone
weak hearth
looks like the API server's takin' a dump.
sharp oracle
Ok i need to ask what file do i delete un locallow for vrchat
weak hearth
to clear cache?
sharp oracle
Yes
sharp oracle
Hay iron
weak frost
of course the one time I wanna upload an avatar
vocal shard
there goes the rest of my time to play vrc
final cloud
[Log:7/26/2018 4:25:14 AM] <color=red>[4, 500, Get, 0]</color> Abandoning request, because: Internal Server Error
https://api.vrchat.cloud/api/1/auth/user?apiKey=
[Error:7/26/2018 4:25:14 AM] Error logging in - Internal Server Error
sharp oracle
The file that says cache
weak frost
sad !
plucky whale
have they fixed avatar theft yet
weak hearth
lel. API server crapped out after all. ;p
tacit plank
That's an empty apikey?
final cloud
i removed ofc
weak hearth
probably deleted it from the copy/pasta. it's not a private thing though.
AFAIK it's global
tacit plank
The API key is public and not unique
austere gulch
Welp got logged out again. RIP. :Y The one time I decide to play VRChat in like a month too fffffuuk
tacit plank
Yup
modern oyster
ahhh 😦
sleek bone
Fudge
sharp oracle
I cant log in
final cloud
i also had this
vocal shard
I think that they said that they're working on it
sleek bone
Their website is even fuked
tacit plank
Damn, I was just about to upload my world (with lewd pics)
sharp oracle
After i ckeared my cache and now it won't let me login
weak hearth
https://api.vrchat.cloud/api/1/config Looks like the API endpoint works at least, unless that's cached.
tacit plank
Cannot GET /api/1/config Rip
final cloud
tacit plank
Nothing brings people together like server downtime
sleek bone
Time to play League
final cloud
lol
fleet ice
lol victim
rancid latch
Oh jeez what am I gonna do now
fierce nymph
So the server is down
tacit plank
You could watch porn
tulip bloom
fair point
sharp oracle
Yes finally it let me in its loding into defalt home
rancid latch
final cloud
installing echoarea time
sharp oracle
Yes i was able to log in
summer linden
cease and desist
tulip bloom
how about dont
tacit plank
Your reaction is even more interesting than I had imagined
tulip bloom
only mosters lewd her
modern oyster
i can login jeah
vocal shard
servers still down?
final cloud
tacit plank
I'm going to lewd her a little extra because you wrote that
tacit plank
Too late
vocal shard
I'm in!
tacit plank
I didn't realize I was watching Cirno stream 😛
placid umbra
covert chasm
tacit plank
I like that guy though
ruby needle
yup
pseudo dawn
Now SteamVR in general is crashing on my end.
heady crag
severe hemlock
how many hours minimum do i need to play vrchat before i can upload from unity
vocal shard
It took me 2 days
severe hemlock
wow does time transfer between my steam account and vrchat account
polar jasper
no
severe hemlock
its because i played 14 hours using my steam account and just got logged in with my vr chat account so i was just wondering if i had to start my time over
ruby needle
weak frost
hm i just get unauthorized every time i try to login to the SDK
hm i used my email instead of my username and it worked
mystic kestrel
Anyone else have trouble with the view position being off in game?
like, way off?
ruby needle
did you adjust the viewport in unity? 
mystic kestrel
Yea, had it set in front of the nose. In game however it is somewhere in the chest
ruby needle
how about your in game height settings?
mystic kestrel
last night I had the same issue and couldn't adjust it at all after the first upload, trying to edit it again tonight
will check
ruby needle
in front of the nose is kinda far out imo but everyone has their preference
mystic kestrel
changed in game height, also didn't affect it
ruby needle
then i dont know
eigther your high or the general viewport are the things affecting it
mystic kestrel
general viewport?
mystic kestrel
oh, good news
the viewport isn't the issue
unfortanately however, the model is turned into a spiky ball in game
ruby needle
uhm
mystic kestrel
I'm not sure why either, everything is fine in unity
bones are set up fine in the configuration
I'm preaty sure anyway
Well, I have a cloak with bones in it that isn't being hooked into anything on unity, if that might cause issues
everything else works fine tho
final cloud
still getting unauthorized on desktop.. hmm, while on my laptop i can log in
languid beacon
Quite a few people are discovering they have it for the first time via VRChat, lol.
Me included
it can be annoying at times but in VRChat I'd say it's almost advantagous, until we get actual body suits with touch feedback 😛
ruby needle
i'd love to develope that
but yeah vr is a really good trickery and if the immersion is right can lead to things like that
carmine dew
Oh the thing where when people touch you in vr they can feel it irl?
ruby needle
yes
carmine dew
Ah my friend has that but she has it badly
vocal shard
It's odd, but cool
carmine dew
Poke her face she'll feel it poke her hips she'll giggle poke her tum she'll laugh and hug her and she'll get warm
ruby needle
ruby needle
i have tweeked my viewpoint perfectly for self interaction at least
except for me not having neko ears in irl 
vocal shard
Does the difference in view point position change much? Like, i see a bunch of avatars with it on the nose, but i usually put mine between the eyes and at 0.02 depth
carmine dew
The immersion doesn't stop for my one friend Whisper
She may not have cat ears but boy oh boy does she act like one
ruby needle
@vocal shard its different for each avatar
my point is tweeked so when my face is touched it starts clipping to milimeter perfection
if i touch my nose it is alisgned
vocal shard
Lol
vocal shard
That's dedication haha
vocal shard
O.O
ruby needle
but in front of the nose is in 99% wrong
at least if you want a acurate position for interaction
vocal shard
Yeah, next time i go on, I'll try doing some test in the mirror and see how it lines up.
Then Friends join server and get confused
ruby needle
turn of futre proveing if you havent allready
and just a heads up
i tweeked for like 4 hours?
vocal shard
Yeah, I've had it off for a while
ruby needle
just the viewpoint
vocal shard
If only we could test while in unity...
ruby needle
kind folio
true
elfin needle
Poof
vocal shard
Anyone know why mirrors are all white with no reflection?
elfin needle
Same tho
vocal shard
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elfin needle
Probably missing Texture, Yet again I dont know
rapid violet
vrchat is still not workiing
idle cipher
Just to let eveyone know, if you spot this guy block and report him because he's going around crashing people with this red line coming out of his eyes https://imgur.com/a/zdwvNA0
rare spear
does anyone else have a bug where you aren't receiving any invites or friend requests? like just won't show up
pseudo parrot
restart game or go into different world
rare spear
been happening for the last 3 days
pseudo parrot
that should fix it
rare spear
have already done that but nothing seems to fix it
rare spear
thonk
umbral reef
Tried the things within #vrchat-support yet?
azure wren
maybe try to log out
y know, like when your tv doesnt work well and you just fix it by kicking it
wary moon
is it required to use a vrchat account instead of a steam account to import avatars?
vocal shard
yes
umbral reef
Jup
vocal shard
check the pin from zarni in this channel to see more info
fervent crypt
Recently got email that i cannot upload avatars due to my behavior.How long is it?
umbral reef
Best answer anyone can give in here but the person who made the system is: untill you get the email saying you can upload again
vocal shard
first time i heard someone losing his ability to upload 
fervent crypt
i mean in email it says i will be able to upload avatars again shortly.But i know my friend cannot upload avatars for a month
vocal shard
you'll need to get your trust score higher again
by making friends and just playing normally
vocal shard
yep, no choice at this point , sorry :/
fiery moth
A couple of players have voiced in-game that they've lost the ability to upload
Prob over being complete idiots
vocal shard
i wonder if it's one of the reason that could lose the ability to upload
get blocked constantly by half the people
fervent crypt
🤔
fair yew
I wonder why nobody's made an avatar for a Great Pug employee
umbral reef
Memes can be annoying if the animations or visuals are pure shit
Should not be the users who have to respond with a. Block then
wary moon
im trying to import avatars into unity but they all just end up pink for some reason
how do i fix this 🤔
median basalt
Broken materials or shaders probably @wary moon
wary moon
yeah its the materials
median basalt
If you're importing from "that site", try following the instructions
Like, read them
With your eyes
wary moon
it says nothing about that though 👀
median basalt
You probably need to import Cubed's shaders first
wary moon
🤔
median basalt
If it's from that one site then it definitely says that
It even says "If the model is pink, import cubed's"
wary moon
ill try cubeds 👀
floral aspen
that's because a lot of people don't know how to set it up
and it can be a pain to get working while looking good at the same time
but if you can get it looking good the results are worth
vocal shard
more like it's hard AF to get right
wary karma
I need to work on a way to make my chibi robo avaar hold his plug
vocal shard
you have so many conditions to get it right
wary karma
ah, then I'll hold off on that until I learn more important skills
like crafting my own shaders and stuf
vocal shard
it's time consuming if you really want to make it look good
wary karma
isn't making specular maps really easy?
vocal shard
you can't have too much polys or it will clip through itself and lag
and too low will look like shit
wary karma
like, take the texture image and put it in photoshop
floral aspen
yup. Gotta have a separate mesh. Mesh can't be complex. and have fun getting the settings the way you want them
wary karma
I've never been able to get a spec map to look good
floral aspen
idk, I've never made a specular map before
wary karma
even ones that are included
opaque remnant
the main issue is that you can get it looking perfect in unity, but once you get it in the game vrchat has its own idea of how it should work
wary karma
just either makes the avatar look like it's covered in flour or covered in saran wrap
no in-between
well, my chibi robo would be the perfect place to experiment with it
simple textures, flat surfaces, metallic look
and the textures are already provided as image files
rough pulsar
I don't have problems with specular/roughness maps in vrchat. Must be the lighting setup in the worlds you're going to.
rough pulsar
There's better places to test lighting interactions than there to be honest.
wary karma
like where?
rough pulsar
I'm trying to think of some places off the top of my head, gimme a moment
Yeah I'm pulling a blank on this one. Most of the places I've been lately have been non-public worlds so they're no use to you.
wary karma
the lag free cube?
rough pulsar
What you want is a world with reflection probes, light probes and all the different light types.
wary karma
lots of people testing there
rough pulsar
Literally never been there.
Hell, you could even make a world for testing it yourself with all those light types.
wary karma
hmu if you find a place
opaque remnant
you can try japan shrine. it has a lot of wonky lighting
rough pulsar
Ooh actually, try "The Lady Vengeance", Afromana made it. I seem to remember the lighting there being setup right.
wary karma
The tricky bit is that the metal textures included are kind of texture hacks
the lighting shifts around on the model, to fake dynamic lighting on the metal
the light streaks are actually baked in
the absolute ideal would be if I could just recreate the metal specular maps and not use a texture at all
rough pulsar
Looking at the reference image, it looks like you'd also want an anisotropic effect to get it to look right.
wary karma
I'm excited, this seems like a lot of work
wary karma
it's gonna be the best damn chibi robo anybody's ever seen
vocal shard
i may have a shader that can help you
wary karma
I'd gladly accept it
I think the hardest thing to recreate is the kind of propellor-like shape the concentric circles on his head make
it's pretty necessary to get that right
just noticed I have to make his cable a great deal bigger as well
rough pulsar
That's the anisotropic reflections I was mentioning
wary karma
oh, so they can even do that?
wary karma
wouldn't have it any other way
vocal shard
you also got a lot of texture already in the folders to try out some stuff
median basalt
@opaque remnant Japan Shrine literally has no reflection probes so I don't recommend that one
wary karma
so should I just abandon the included image textures and just recreate the metallic look exclusively with the shaders
median basalt
Wait, there's a metallic shader that can have a fake reflection?
So it works without reflection probes?
vocal shard
someone showed a screenshot claiming that he used the shader i just talked about
dunno how tro make it since i didnt use that shader too much
wary karma
I don't need actual reflections, the chibi robo from the images doesn't actually reflect the scene around him
well, the one from the prerender does a little
but it'll be tough to recreate a prerender with the in-game model
rough pulsar
Eh, not if you work at it. It's from a old game (in game time), graphics processing has come a long way since then.
rough pulsar
over 10 years now.
wary karma
this is photo finder not plug into adventure
safe prism
Xiexe’s XSToon can do PBR reflections without a reflection cubemap present
I swear I just talked about this yesterday
rough pulsar
GC chibi robo came out in 2005/6
safe prism
To you, Rokk, lmao
rough pulsar
Ah, I'm only familiar with the gamecube version of the game.
wary karma
you should play the DS game that never got ported to the west
it's better than the original imo
there's a fan translation online
they should really add discrete gestures for the left and right hands
dunno why they're the same for both
median basalt
@safe prism I might check it out
safe prism
it’s good
wary karma
I downloaded it, I'll futs with it some tonight
Scel, where's the manual for this shader because goddamn, I don't even know where to start
median basalt
Same lol
wary karma
where'd you even find this damn thing
vocal shard
secret 👀
left berry
i have a problem
i woke up just now and turned on my pc to see if it works
im not a expert but i dont think vrchat gave everybody the fix
i think i will wait another day
can someone please explain
vocal shard
the fuck you talking about
modern sand
vocal shard
read the channel
left berry
ok i did but where is the login issue in there
modern sand
You didn't read the first line then.
floral aspen
tell us what the first line says
left berry
Need some help? Crashing? Not able to get into the app? Please contact support@vrchat.com with as much information as possible! Be descriptive! What were you doing? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? Pretend you're trying to describe the issue to someone so they can recreate the issue.
that is what it says
dire palm
"Please contact support@vrchat.com"
floral aspen
^
left berry
oh okk
shy nest
how is to read
left berry
hahah HAHAHA 😡
wary karma
So, how do you guys organize your avatar imports?
I make a bunch of avaars in a project, and when Ithink things are getting too crowded, I start a new project
opaque remnant
i wish i could organize my avatars on the account
wary karma
you can, kinda
manage uploaded content, same place as the build control panel
though all you can do is delete old ones
opaque remnant
nothing to organize there, just delete
as for unity i got a massive project currently at 14gb. lots of subfolders
i reuse a lot of the gestures, emotes, and sounds
so having everything in one place is useful, same with the shaders
alpine kestrel
I have so many avatars they all don't show up anymore.
left berry
yes i have sent a email to vrchat support
left berry
how do i do that
ruby needle
read the channel
left berry
ok
ok
so can you copy and paste the bit
clearing cache perfabs
is that it
and i restarted my pc
ruby needle
not only the cache
there is a command in there you're supposed to run a command and that will clear the chache, temp and registry entries for you
vocal shard
These are just suggestions. Nothing is a guaranteed fix. Just keep that in mind
left berry
ok so i will choose waiting is that okay or not
vocal shard
It won't hurt
vocal shard
Lol
left berry
wha dat mean EXPLAIN PLES
floral aspen
what do you mean is it okay? Nothing is going to happen if you wait
left berry
alright
desert shard
need some help please
left berry
ok i did it the automatic way on windows 10 i will just restart
median basalt
Can you be a bit more specific before you start saying "hello"?
You need to have the Oculus software running
Then launch SteamVR
And from within SteamVR, launch the game
polar bone
If it doesn't work restart oculus
sometimes steamvr doesn't load for me
Settings-Beta-Restart Oculus
molten hinge
oof
wary karma
What's so specifically important about unity version 5.6.3p1?
median basalt
That's the version the game is built on
wary karma
I'm here in my college's vr development lab and the computer I'm sitting at has only 5.6.3f1 and 5.6.3p1
vocal shard
It's the version of unity the game's running on.
median basalt
You're basically uploading asset bundles for the game to load in dynamically
It's the last version before Unity 2017
Which has a lot of changes
vocal shard
I know a few later versions can work for uploading models.... but i've heard they can lead to some problems.
kind anchor
anyone know how to make flying vehicles?
lilac swan
If possible you shouldn't use 5.6.3f1, it's got a major security flaw that was quickly hotfixed by 5.6.3p1. Otherwise they're pretty much identical.
floral aspen
@kind anchor if I remember correctly there is a prefab for flying vehicles in the standard assets package. Don't quote me on that though
rough pulsar
6 on touchpad, one on grip button. (center of touchpad & trigger are the same gesture)
opaque remnant
you have a vive?
rough pulsar
Same layout though
opaque remnant
so this would cover that as well? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/392752532767637514/VRChat_Hand_Gesture_Mapping.png
rough pulsar
Yep
opaque remnant
the models need to have the gestures added, and the ability to do them
rough pulsar
Gestures on the WMR controllers may be a little harder to do simply due to the small touchpads.
vocal shard
Not really
rough pulsar
You can customize what gestures get triggered, but those zones are defined by vrchat and can't be changed.
vocal shard
Grip button is open hand, trigger is fist, Then there's five points on the track pad
opaque remnant
you can add your own when uploading a model in the override controller. but to swap around the default ones you need to find someone that has them or redo them yourself, since they aren't available in the sdk i believe
personally i've swapped handopen and thumbs up
rough pulsar
For example, I have rocknroll mapped to a middle finger gesture. (which also activates a more angry looking expression blendshape)
vocal shard
Clockwise, starting centre. Point, victory, hand gun, rocker, thumbs up
opaque remnant
since i use handopen a lot and it was putting a toll on my trigger
wary karma
rock n roll is pretty finnicky for oculus users as well
on paper it's just press the trigger in the neutral pose
but in action, for some reason it doesn't work 100% of the time
so it's a bit annoying if you want to bind anything to that gesture
median basalt
@wary karma rock n roll only works if your thumb is on the controller
If it's up then pressing trigger does nothing
modern sand
@left berry Have you emailed the support yet ?
modern sand
Because you need to wait for an answer ?
night lark
i might make a world with mii avatars
vocal shard
Do it lol
analog canopy
median basalt
At least it's better than decimation in Unity, some people use Mantis LOD to decimate
ruby needle
automatic decimation 
tacit plank
If I make an avatar pedestal AlwaysBuffered, will it change everybodies avatars?
Because it sounds fun
vocal shard
Lol
charred wyvern
egg
caff, you know there's a "change avatar" action, right?
just put it on a touch trigger at spawn
idk how approvable that is, but it's fun
tacit plank
Lmao, I wonder why I've never seen that done before
ruby needle
its done in some maps
but only for certain map actions
you definitely dont want to put it on a spawn trigger tho
not sure what the mod's think about it but i
d strongly recommend against it from a personal and map builder perspective
median basalt
I've actually seen it once in an easter egg
vocal shard
🅱
inner cape
🇪
winged depot
anyone know of a world yet that supports a player for anime sites or one that will let me put a youtube playlist link and it actually play the whole list?
lot of the ones ive tried wont play stuff like kiss anime or crunchyroll... stuff like that
and ive tried hang out house but the new player doesnt seem to work for me unless im misunderstanding what it plays. it says it can play streams and i think playlists which would be nice for a list of songs but it would not play it when i tried so.. idk
ruby needle
how is the player supposed to play links of a service that costs money and needs logins to play?
youtube playlists however should work but i can't tell what world is setup for a user input playlist.
winged depot
crunchy and kiss anime actually dont require logins. crunchy only requires it when trying to play 720p
default when you go to watch them is 480 so no login required
ruby needle
isn't crunchyroll that subscription based licensed anime thing?
ruby needle
wait
ok
wait
nice
i look stupid now
dont i?
not that i watch a lot of anime so the only thing i get to hear about them is the ads
😛
fiery moth
Or you could
Like
Torrent anime
And get HD or 720 at least
No buffering
No ads
vocal shard
And break the law by doing so 🤷
Stealing money from anime and hurting it's business? Im sure the government are all for that.
twin vessel
ripe rivet
Do any of you guys know/think a playstation vr would work on a pc??
vocal shard
you can use trinus to make the psvr kinda work with steamvr, but i hear it's a bit of a pain to get working
there's videos on YouTube how to set it up
ruby needle
its a typical hack setup yeah
it somehow works
as good as a "vr" headset for a console can work on a pc
(#Sarkassm includet)
vocal shard
if you already have a psvr.... it might be worth a shot.... but please do not buy a psvr for the purpose of using it on pc
ruby needle
please dont buy a ps vr for any reason
vocal shard
lol
ruby needle
console vr is a joke
median basalt
It's just not worth it
Consoles can't handle VR
You're on hardware from 8 years ago
ruby needle
1080p60 without laggs would be a better aim then to push vr 
median basalt
And even then that hardware was "mid-range"
lone cove
is anyone elses vrchat not loading
wary karma
tomorrow I will be learning stencil shaders
wary karma
that's the intent
hoary spruce
someone tell me why I should and why I shouldn't buy a VR headset
vocal shard
you should because it's awesome. you shouldn't because you'd never look at flat games the same way
grand zealot
Does anyone here know how to rip apk animations?
Such as, character animations and what not.
ruby needle
@hoary spruce if you want objective arguments
Pro:
Unless you are one of those who cant adapt to the sickness its a whole different/immersive gaming experience and opens up for some really nice things.
You're not missing out on games that are desinged for vr or even only work with it.
Depending on what games you play VR can be rather active movement wise meaning you are actually exercising while playing. It also helps to prevent the negative effects of permanent sitting on a PC. (assuming you stand ofc )
Cons:
First of is obviously the price, it costs a bit and you will also need a rather good pc.
Then it is a bit of a pain in the summer cus it requeres quite some performance it also means its gonna produce more heat.
If you have only very little place the experience might not be that great, especially with movement heavy games.
It can be straining on the eyes depending on personal factors and playtime lenght.
It can be very addicting, if you are easily getting addicted to things this might be a negative thing.
And last, if you have health issues like getting potential seizures or eye / sickness issues you will need to think about it twice.
... thats what comes to my mind. not sure if i missed something important
ruby needle
🔥 
🔥 hmm?
hoary spruce
Okay so now that I’ve heard the pros and cons of getting a VR headset
What’s the difference between all of the headsets out there
Like HTC Vive, oculus, steamvr, etc
tacit plank
Lots of things... Vive supports full-body tracking, oculus has much better battery, oculus is slightly cheaper, vive doesn't have bullshit DRM
I honestly can't be bothered to list any more things, but you should definitely read up on it. After all, it's a pretty expensive investment
rough pulsar
@hoary spruce Above all else, try VR for yourself first if possible.
ruby needle
just comparing vive and oculus
oculus wins in beeing ligther, having the better lenses and exclusives on oculus home. especially for vrchat they have the supirior controllers for now. It also comes with headphones mounted and has a really good internal mic for vrchat
vive is better for really big playspaces, its heavier tho
the internal mic is worse, tho it has a hub / audio out build in to plug in a headset. vive has the worst controllers. they are not htat great and durable. Plus you are battery limited while on oculus you can change the batterie once it ran out.
And if you hav the money to dump into it, vive has a FBT system while for oculus you can use the vive tackers tho you will need the lighthouses too.
hoary spruce
Not really a possibility for me since I live in kind of a technological desert (southwest Louisiana)
rough pulsar
@ruby needle the vive and rift are the same weight now.
vocal shard
you've got three main choices
rough pulsar
The first gen vives were heavier, htc regined the manufacturing process and the current gen vives are lighter.
Refined, not regained.
vocal shard
i'd say, Rift for all around good headset with everything you need (3rd sensor maybe). Vive for the upgrade path (trackers, knuckles) wmr for budget (80% experience for 30% price)
ruby needle
knuckles will also be available to oculus users
ofc lighthouses again will be needet
hoary spruce
Am I missing out on much if I don’t get the full body tracking and all that?
rough pulsar
Any tracking-type mixing has to be done through steamvr. It's literally what lets multiple vr drivers work together.
ruby needle
it is more of a toy
and it is not really used anywhere then vrchat
unless you do productive things
and use motion tracking
vocal shard
only a few models even support full body tracking
hoary spruce
Ah, so you have to get specific models for it to work?
hoary spruce
How exactly does walking work in VR anyways?
ruby needle
stick/trackpad
plus normal walking within your playspace
but ofc that is not unlimited
vocal shard
^
there's also something called natural locomotion you can buy from steam. you swing your arms and it walks.... some like it
ruby needle
what
hoary spruce
I don’t have more than maybe a 2x4 meter space in which I could use VR and that’s pushing it
vocal shard
roomscale min is like 1.6x2 or something? i can't remember
ruby needle
different for vive / oculus
oculus has the lower requirements
but ofc here practicallity is more the point then the softwares requirements
tacit plank
Am I allowed to use others pedestals?
For example, if I know a pedestal somewhere has an ID, and I saved that ID, am I allowed to place a pedestal in my world with same ID?
vocal shard
I would think it would work.... or are you asking as far as rules go?...
tacit plank
Yeah, contacting people is a lot of work
steady kayak
@ruby needle its pointless though to buy lighthouses and have 2 tracking solutions
at that point you might as well go full vive really and benefit from the increased range and accuracy on everything and save on cpu overhead of say having 2 tracking solutions
fast bronze
It beats Wii bar tech strapperd to your head
steady kayak
and oculus has smaller room scale because it uses IR and camera tracking..
while in essence vive uses a laser projector ^^
fast bronze
VIVE uses it tracking too
steady kayak
no vive uses laser tracking
fast bronze
It's an IR laser and flood light
steady kayak
The reading is done from the headset and trackers through IC chips
while with oculus the headset and all is just IR emiters
fast bronze
Photocells
steady kayak
yes in essence the old vive was not using ic and just photocells
fast bronze
And yes the oculus uses wii tech
steady kayak
in essence yes.. its already pushed at the max.. its very closed to developers and I heard at max only one additional tracking periferal could be added as its already pushed to the max
while steam.. has it all pretty open.. including the parts for making your own to be tracked devices https://www.triadsemi.com/product/ts3633/
sorry this one https://www.triadsemi.com/product/ts4231/
fast bronze
Ew
steady kayak
its at least an optionm for people to make their own tracked objects or controllers
however the steamVR SDK is a mess.. its documentation isnt properly updated.. and its full of flaws
steady kayak
its likely that valve rushed its creation
when they saw the VR craze rising.. they wanted to get in on it and pushed developers to write steamvr in a short notice
fast bronze
Um what
steady kayak
Have you ever gone through the sdk?
fast bronze
No who would
steady kayak
developers.. people who want to make their own tracking solutions
people who want hip and leg tracking without resorting to buying light houses
fast bronze
Lmfao
steady kayak
it makes sense if you have oculus
the step to get the trackers because you need to buy light houses is a steep one
the kinect tracking solution is not good because oculus and vrchat already take all the cpu... so kinect tracking goes out of sync and drifts
fast bronze
Makes you question why you didn't wait to get a vive
steady kayak
some people didnt have the money.. i got it because early on i didnt delve too much into it and got sucked into oculus its lower cost while "specs seemed similar"
and ergonomic touch controller
fast bronze
Even though there are only a handful of games that even use FBT
steady kayak
appelzura on vrchat uses a camera tracking system with opencv and custom to see his legs and hips
yes because of its cost
you got vr cost.. it already narrows down user base.. then another additional expensive accessory.. so you reduce its userbase even more
fast bronze
Cost doesn't restrict development or implementation of a system
steady kayak
it does restrict it for some people willing to invest time and money in development
after all its time
fast bronze
Just like vrchat the option is there not required
fast bronze
And it's a free game
steady kayak
for now.. it needs a business model eventually
fast bronze
Not one that has people buying it
steady kayak
I bet rn vrchat is making heavy financial loss and relies on investors to keep it afloat.. especially server costs
but so did youtube in early years.. so it can change
fast bronze
And the day they pull out the updates to a more condusive environment I'd gladly pay
steady kayak
same
fast bronze
But on the current platform there's just not going to be people wanting to develop their content for them and pay to do it
I'd toss a couple big bills their way for scripting access but that's not an option
And I only mean for worlds
tacit plank
But I can't live without VRChat anymore
steady kayak
Same haceo
i would love to pay a fee for a script to get "screened and whitelisted"
stone current
proportional editing is lifesaver
https://i.gyazo.com/b51a9fe5e37d7007980e5d7d36121a5a.mp4
it make visemes so easy to make
neon vine
Did anyone have to update their steam vr today? And if so did it break their vr?
I'm getting an error 303 and steams being ... super helpful about it
fast bronze
It made mine have a warning when steam doesn't load with the headset
neon vine
I'm reinstalling steam vr
fast bronze
Pfft
tacit plank
Mine started up in steamVR home, while my computer entered into VRChat. I closed it and started it again and it was fixed
Try restarting your computer first
fast bronze
303 is compositor error
neon vine
I'll restart it after i install steamvr
yeah
I get that error more than anything
Its always the compositor
fast bronze
Try replugging in your displays in the correct order
fast bronze
Headset first then any monitor
neon vine
Oh.
fast bronze
Alot of compositor issues are that it can't find the headset
fast bronze
Also be sure you're using port one on your GPU for the headset
raw scarab
Lmao I’m a desktop player
neon vine
Whats weird is that my gpu only has one hdmi port
stone current
g4u
fast bronze
And display ports?
neon vine
it has dvis or something
fast bronze
Ew
fast bronze
Ewwww
fast bronze
I have 3DP and 1HDMi
small wing
when your download speeds take a shit, but you really need to see if your changes to your world are working.
ive been at the loading screen for 2 hours now
neon vine
Jesus
neon vine
How big is your world
tacit plank
2gb is nothing
small wing
sitting it out
small wing
yeah, my internet provider is going to have several complaints come tomorrow
tacit plank
VRChat is using 0.5mb/s of data, which is quite a lot in idle I think
Anyways, I have used 8GB today, despite only browsing for a little bit
small wing
they already did this shit in the past and gave me free upgrades. so it looks like they are pretty much setting themselves up for losing more money to "keep customers"
neon vine
What's the company
small wing
time warner
grand zealot
Does anyone here know how to rip apk animations?
Such as, character animations and what not.
neon vine
Okay I have done all I know
I can't figure out this compositor problem
also timewarner ew
I am literally about to scream
small wing
@neon vine open up services.msc and restart the oculus service?
neon vine
its vive
small wing
Oh damn
neon vine
Lmao it was doing this before the update of firmware
small wing
So lemme get this straight
small wing
Roll back steam vr then
there are ways of doing it im sure
i remember when i had to do it with ovrdrop
its in the steam settings for the app itself
small wing
Yeah
neon vine
lmao how
I dont think they'll let you
Wow im not only one in the discussions with problems
how nice
small wing
Im looking at a reddit post right now
apparently all you can do according to this is enable or disable the beta. https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/6bzcle/anybody_know_if_you_can_roll_back_steamvr_to_an/
WOOOOOO AFTER 2 AND A HALF HOURS
FINALLY LOADED LMAO
FML
small wing
i would go complain on the steam forums
pseudo parrot
headset would obviously need firmware you dummie
pseudo parrot
haha
tacit plank
I never updated anything manually
pseudo parrot
thats one of the reasons why i don't own a headset
tacit plank
I'm afraid to break something
vocal shard
You don't own a headset because you might need to do a firmware update? Do you not use a phone or computer either? Lol
tacit plank
I never updated any firmware ever
And I live on my computer. So it's probably not really required
vocal shard
Yeah
wtf is going on with the pug this week
everytime I wanna visit I gotta spend 15minutes loading it again
dire palm
i got that similar problem like that before where the worlds i cache had to be downloaded again i just went to clear my cache and everything was fine after that sucks that you have to load everything again though. but thats what i did
dire palm
sucks to having slow download speed
vocal shard
it does indeed
tacit plank
I'm limited by the speed of whatever server I connect to 😦
vocal shard
I'm limited to 1 megabit
tacit plank
Why? Are you Australian?
vocal shard
yes
tacit plank
Shit, that sucks
vocal shard
yes 😦
dire palm
got 3 megabit
vocal shard
you also australian?
fast bronze
100dl 10ul
neon vine
I am tempted to just drive this thing to htc headquarters and just throw it at them (jokes)
dire palm
nope
halcyon ingot
hi newbie
wide laurel
Hi nice to meet you fan
halcyon ingot
dabs
vocal shard
Hey! Welcome to the vrc discord
stone current
cuz i forgot which joint they used
pseudo parrot
idk
i've never watched a tutorial
i managed myself by the experience i already had on unity and on blender
neon vine
Update to my vr issue
Fixed it
I had to turn off the run as admin on the vrcompositor.exe in steam
I had it on because it fixed it last time
stone current
i looked but i cant find the vid
hearty burrow
um is VRChat fucked for everyone right now ?
it took me 30 minutes to finally load in
and my friends list is not showing up
stone current
it late
azure wren
Im the only one here with a crappy PC and no VR or stuff and yet i dun vrc without problems?
left berry
i want my acc back they have replied on my email but they did not answer my question
help me
azure wren
Question?
left berry
yes question i asked them why i still cant sign in to my ironbull1212mlg acc for vrchat it says im unauthorized but how can that be
vocal shard
You said they replied? What did it say?
azure wren
Oof uhm
vocal shard
they're ignoring me... I guess that's what i get for teasing a bit last time...
left berry
no its not what you get i went for a number 2 ya know
left berry
number 2 means shit
vocal shard
This has been an on going chat for a couple days.. so don't feel bad if you're confused
vocal shard
What’s a good way to play music while in VRChat? I’m on the Oculus
left berry
im just unauthorized i just need the vrchat admins to authorize me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419226637939376169/472308483123970058/unknown.png
azure wren
Did you try to logout and login again?
vocal shard
But so others can hear
You need some sort of virtual cable to run audio through your mic
I don't know too much about ot
left berry
no im unauthorized
vocal shard
But it's a starting point
Alrighty, I’m pretty new to windows lol still getting the hang of it
azure wren
when they talk iranian
For now just stick ur phone on ur vrset with some nice flextape
vocal shard
Oof
left berry
can i ask the admin to authorize me
azure wren
Lmao
vocal shard
Now that’s a lot of damage
Use flex seal to make sure the parts done get wet. Then flex tape it to the hmd
vocal shard
Dont forget. You can dip your hmd in flex seal to protect it
Legit could probably build a house out of wood and all the flex products
Next commercial
azure wren
Lmao
vocal shard
Flex seal is so tough, you can repair an entire house with it smashes hpuse with wrecking ball Now thats a lotta damage
^~^
Dude I live off of memes
jump cut to an entirely flex seal coated house
But only the good ones
azure wren
smash the wrecking ball with a flexsealed bat look at just how much damage it can deal
vocal shard
To show you the power of flex tape, I sawed this man in half
stuffs the large hadron collider with flex seal and creates a black hole comprised of flex seal
.... now that’s a lot of damage
azure wren
slap a flexsealed sewed car
this boi can fit souch "lot of damage" in it
vocal shard
I turned this into a submarine
Anyway, I'm off. Nice talking with you all.
Oh god....what if....what if...we flex seal the flex tape
azure wren
Ty for ur hardwork as alwayz
vocal shard
Cya m8. May flextape help you live long and prosperous
vocal shard
Lol
azure wren
U would create a paradox in the spacetime line
vocal shard
Is it like crossing beams
vocal shard
Harold pops out
azure wren
Humans always wanted to be immortal
But we had the answer right there
What if i flex seal my self
vocal shard
Flex tape yourself then dip in flexseal. Youll become an immortal
left berry
i give up i will never see my friends again
azure wren
Lmao