#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 485

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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AR right?

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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WMR headset

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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yes

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wmr

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Well first

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I was going

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For a GTX 1050

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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1050, isn't that the 1 gigger?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Idkkk

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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a 1050 still won't give you good VR performance

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Oof

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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need 1060 min probably

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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you're looking at 4gb to reduce screen sheering

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1070 was a popular choice

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Im not really rich tho

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I mean

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Rn

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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haha

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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I could afford

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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VR isn't a cheap hobby

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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To open my pc

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Thats it

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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It's not a matter of rich, it's how long can you stand to eat Ramen

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Dude

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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XD

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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I can eat salad

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For half a month

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It worked before

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Felt a little

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Vegan here and there

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But it worked

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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haha

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randomly murder some fish or fowl

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Lmao

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Well i did do some stupid things tho

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Go vegan and open a slaughterhouse VR environment..

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Sure xD

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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I'm willing to eat bark tree for a month to get VR XD

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Lmao

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Thats not enough

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I could

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Yeah I just bought a house, my major intent with my office is to arrange it to allow for room VR

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Go monk mode

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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:D

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Trying to find the illumination while waiting for the salary

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I would just

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Meditate during meals

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👌

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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i see, that's some ninja stuff right here :P

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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hahaha

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Look at it in another way

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Sensei: "One does not eat salad, one becomes the salad.." me looks on... "Are you going to eat that??"

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Starving could give you VR allucinations

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Lmao

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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But seriously, get the PC before getting the headset or you'll not enjoy the best experience as you should

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Yehh

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Like

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I spent a bunch of bucka

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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yeah, PC also gives you the ability to play OTHER games well

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Bucks

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To get

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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aaaaand you technically CAN play VRChat without a headset

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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mhmm, desktop mode is a thing

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:55 PM

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indeed, playing VRchat at 13FPS in VR is another XD

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 3:55 PM

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I have to run desktop mode sometimes because if I am the only parent doing the adulting, I have to keep an eye on them

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Get an AR camera :) zed mini or something like that (if you need another trick to be horrible at parenting, just ask me XD)

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Hahahaha

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well, once the headset goes on my kids immediately want to play

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my 6 yro got as far as stage 3-3 on lucky's tale (spelling?)

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Carefull with their eyes though ;)

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:01 PM

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He flew amazingly well for a 4 yro at the time in Valkyrie..

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haha I made sure to measure the IPD and height

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I'm on DK2 so its all manual, he has his own profile

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I went and got his prescription done in event I needed to swap cups out

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I'm not yet willing to show him minecraft VR, that even makes me sick and the change in UI was annoying AF

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He's got a 7 minute long rollercoaster he built that goes EVERYWHERE inside this mega crater we made with dynamite LOL

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Yes IPD is important no doubt, there is also the perception system to take in account with young kids, not sure you know what i mean

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the way the brain is wired change with VR and more so with kids

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:06 PM

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oh man.. yeah I spoke with a few people involved in pediatric medical uses for VR

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my brother (40+) sat there like a drooling idiot for 10 minutes grabbing at nonexistent stuff

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:06 PM

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lol

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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My son reached out (old from ashes demo) and saw he couldn't touch the proteins, immediately reached for a keyboard and mouse

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So damned proud

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Hey, im just joining in the conversation now. You use the dk2?

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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he gets maybe 1-2 hours a month

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Yeah

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Nice

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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1-2 hours a month is ok

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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by the time I upgrade, most VR will be gen2 or gen3

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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but when you pass on the 1-2 hours a days this is another thing

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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my unit is trucking along so far just fine, no issues or such with it

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hahahah yeah.. I used to spend about 5 hours average a day on weekends in the valk cockpit

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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When it comes to small kids using vr, i usually prefer them to use my dk2 because the lenses are much better if your ipd is a bit off

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:09 PM

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getting up after that, you'd feel like the flattened cartoon villain in who framed roger rabbit. wiggling around until he inflated himself

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@vocal shard At least until foviated rendering is a normal feature

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vendors are still deciding on which way to lean as an industry, everyones still trying out their own calculus on it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Yeah. I just mean that the lenses in most current gen headsets have smaller sweet spots. And sometimes the ipd needs to be dead on. Lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:10 PM

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>phone dies at 10%

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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LOL

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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feelsgood intensify

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:12 PM

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the Go use a version of foveated tech (lenses trick). The CV2 is planned with full foveated rendering (eyes tracking/zone rendering)

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:12 PM

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"Intesify the intensity.. " turns hands in the air "Enhance.. enhance.. crop.. enhance.. INTENSIFY"

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 4:12 PM

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CV2 might have varifocal lenses, but foveated rendering is still a ways off

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:13 PM

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lmao

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Varifocal is for the depht perception

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:13 PM

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this is

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arabian

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for me

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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:P

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Honestly, if each vendor right now combined their projects into one, we'd probably have an 8k foviated eye-tracking with centervision density rendering with the blurred optics on periphs

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there are a lot of great aspects on various headsets, but not yet available in one

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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I know. Eye tracking is a good first step for foveated rendering though. I think we'll for sure have it in CV3

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Only if HTC doesn't do the pricing. Lol

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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even the 10,000$ headset is more like a movie theatre

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if only HTC doesn't go bankrupt

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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well, we're talking about Oculus here so we won't have to worry about HTC's ridiculous pricing

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Just refering to the combining all vr together

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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I could see valve buying out HTC on the vive

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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I wish they would

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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why ppl invented many vr sets

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why there's not just one

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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ot

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the more the better

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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pfffy

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Competition is good for a market

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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the good products will survive, and even if companies die, technology can be licensed

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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not for insecure ppl

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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If it was just one. They could charge whatever they want

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Because capitalism :D @humble vale

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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omg, you want to talk about monopoly, look at Ready Player One.. Gregarious games XD

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IOI actually made a TON of gear (lore wise)

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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i liked it

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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but it was two companies

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Vive launched. Rift was cheaper. Prices dropped. Wmr launched, and is much cheaper. Rift and vive could drop again

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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actly i dont yet see the differences btw the sets

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at the end of all

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everything works

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Eventually I will get a CV model of something.. maybe the Vive Pro, but I'd prefer Vive Pro G2 WITH accessorie

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also kinda want Oculus for flat out comfort

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:20 PM

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The way i see it. Wmr gives the base core good vr experience. Rift adds nice features, and vive you pay for features as well, and the open steamvr tracking system.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Asia will come with some high quality (knockoff?) soon, the HMD prices will drop, but what about the machine you need to drive them :), it'll always be the bottleneck for VR (whatever the foveated tech /ASW-retroproj tech)

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:21 PM

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I'd be cool with the newer holo tech if it existed like Simon's room in the movie Gamer

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no headset required kinda thing

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:21 PM

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Im comfortable and happy with my lenovo. But... I would like better controllers. Lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:21 PM

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when i say VR i mean Real PC grade VR though, not talking about Gear/Go and alike

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:22 PM

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is it me or is this possible on steam accounts? Plus both were harassing me and another guy for the avatar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444672555207491584/469712292066492416/VRChat_1920x1080_2018-07-19_22-31-06.430.png

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Have already informed my wife, I will get brain implants when available, just NOT gen 1, as you know gen1 will not be properly upgradable, probably end up restricted to an OLD network, and suceptable to cyberbrain schlerosis (ghost in the shell reference)

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:22 PM

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not sure if vrchat has rules against impersonators

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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That looks like platform issues

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Oculus does not care about Vive usernames

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the software needs to account for various username collisions

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This is why Playstation VR, Oculus Home, and Vive (steam) have issues doing cross platform in most cases

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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I don't think that's how vrchat works though

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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VRChat however, likely runs on a token system once logged in, so duplicate names won'tbe an issue

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had to deal with al sorts of discussions RE cross platform

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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@true sky there is a rule about it (for mods/admins/Staff), but you should email and report it, he is probably using a 3rd party software which is against the TOS

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Oh hey I survived the accident of yesterday lol

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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when Valkyrie finally enabled cross platform, we had name collison issues, and the pilots had their names altered in game vs their profile handle if it was consumed, but they had to build out a "pilot list" from PSVR, Oculus, and Steam, and then cross ref

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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@vocal shard what happened? o_O

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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@thorny totem users are both steam users

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Lego did they have that name as they entered the server?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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@true sky not sure about that hmmm steam users have a number behind their names?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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^

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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I wonder if VRChat does live edits of steam name changes

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:27 PM

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when i select them, but how do they hide the last 4 digets

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but not when i try blocking them

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i already talked to gaztons and said they are fakes

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:27 PM

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oh ok so they use a shader, just report the real steam name

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:27 PM

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same way you ahve a legal name and a moniker 😉

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they use da shader?

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XD

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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there is a shader to hide the nameplates

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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So... It would have to be from a world then...

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Since steam accounts can't make their own avatar

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@thorny totem I accidentally posted a link to the not legit avatar website that may or may not promote hacked SDKs lol

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Ahhh

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Wait what

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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omg that horrible

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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no exactly, but there is technics to do so involving a shader

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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cant be assed to read it all but we are talking about steam users that dont show the last 4 digits?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Yeah

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:28 PM

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steam users cannot make their own avatars?

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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Sometimes, there just isn't enough space to display their name

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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That cna happen ingame if the name is to long to properly display the numbers- It just cuts them off then

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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can't you just make one, upload to a server, and then activate the avatar dias to consume said avatar skin?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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@vocal shard oh i see, not a big deal you didn't knew

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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Steam users can't upload avatars

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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@humble vale Cant log into the SDK with an steam account to upload it to any server

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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@humble vale true

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:29 PM

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You upload accounts directly onto VRChat accounts

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:30 PM

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plus one of the impersonators is using the blue one from my world 😂

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:31 PM

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oof

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So, if it's a steam account. Maybe they added spaces in the name to hide the numbers

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Steam users can change into avatars though, either with a pedestal, or by directly requesting the avatar from the server

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:31 PM

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or the bannable way

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:31 PM

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I wonder how VRChat servers handle the storage of Steam users data. Such as which avatar they are using, their last visited locations, etc. Maybe it's stored on Steam servers ?

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:31 PM

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not recommended

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:31 PM

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The latter requires a modified client

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Teal you can access that yourself if you're curious

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Log in to VRChat, and then visit this URL: https://vrchat.net/api/1/users/USERNAME/name

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Scared to click it XD

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:35 PM

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nah it's legit

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:37 PM

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found them

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:37 PM

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You can manually write the URL if you wish

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But you have to replace USERNAME with the user that you wish you access

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Is it possible they used none ASCII characters that just don't render or spaces as suggested?

true sky Jul 20, 2018, 4:38 PM

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probably

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:38 PM

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sanitizing input fields is not something all developers think of.. or specifically input type (hello injection)

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Yay, I got system_trust_intermediate now :D
Nekomasu has 3 tags that I don't though

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VRChat usernames doesn't seem to have any restrictions on Unicodes or control characters

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:40 PM

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There was once a linux grub injection issue that compromised the entire system. Boot to grub (that is akin to choose os version or safe mode), if prompted for password, hit delete 18 times, then type in system command. Instant root.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:40 PM

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@humble vale uhuh this is the first thing you do, no doubt they did, never tested though

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:40 PM

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or when Windows accidentally allowed EMOJI as a system language..

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:41 PM

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How do you get access to "admin_avatar_access" and "admin_world_access"? My friends got them when they uploaded a world, but I didn't. Was it changed?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:42 PM

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there is some vectors though, i saw a proof of concept paper with avatars exploiting the naming convention and the fact that content package are not scanned @humble vale

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Lol wow, I wouldn't expect the delete key to work outside of the input field

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:42 PM

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minchar maxchar input constraints

rocky blaze Jul 20, 2018, 4:42 PM

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just me or are the invites a little slow recently?

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Well, it's fine if they use Unicodes, like Japanese characters

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:43 PM

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nah it's easier than that, but meh we're not allowed to talk about it in here

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:43 PM

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haha yeah Im not going to go into pentesting VRchat in here lol

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Maybe a "char.isControl" or similar check though. It would probably break something if you signed up with the username "0x0" or the delete or backslash character

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:44 PM

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actually, was it the Yen symbol that was causing apple products to system halt?

rocky blaze Jul 20, 2018, 4:44 PM

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was arabic characters

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:44 PM

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was an emoji serie

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was a lot of things lol

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:45 PM

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https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/16/iphone-bug-telugu-unicode-ios-mac-text-bomb/

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Indian currency

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XD

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:45 PM

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There has been multiple issues with texts crashing phones

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I remember one like a year back too

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:45 PM

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I love infosec, endless lolz

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hey Ruuubick 😃

modern sand Jul 20, 2018, 4:46 PM

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If you guys don't mind, we try to keep vrchat related discussions in this channel and other topics in #general-media

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:46 PM

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It's possible because UTF32 takes up more space? Either way, it's pretty funny that multi-billion companies put idiots in charge of stuff

humble vale Jul 20, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Apologies 😉

modern sand Jul 20, 2018, 4:46 PM

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no worries

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Woops, yeah, lets switch

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 4:47 PM

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:)

glossy wharf Jul 20, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Anyone else having problems with avatars loading?

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I put in the particle limiter thing and now avatars dont seem to load anymore monkaS

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Did you set any values to 0? Apparently that can cause things to bug out.

glossy wharf Jul 20, 2018, 4:58 PM

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i did ye

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Yeah. Anything set to 0 I'd set to 1. Next best thing without the loading problems.

pearl light Jul 20, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Excuse me, how long I have to play so that I can upload a personal avatar?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 5:04 PM

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uhh

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you should be able to do it like

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Oh hey

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 5:05 PM

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right after the tutorial ...?

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at least that's what i did

pearl light Jul 20, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I have heard from some people, they said have to play at least 200 hours so as to up load a personal avatar, I'm not sure about it so I need ask more for more detail 🤔

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:08 PM

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200? It's like 30 on average

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 5:08 PM

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uhh

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well i didnt

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opened vrchat

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done tutorial

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and started another of 1h and something on how to make mmds

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Make a VRChat account and play and be social, having an alright mic and not getting muted helps too. After some hours you should get a message saying that you can upload stuff

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:13 PM

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I had about 45+ hours of VRChat and not long after I added a few friends, suddenly I had rights to upload

pearl light Jul 20, 2018, 5:18 PM

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that's weird, my friend had played 48+ hours of VRChat, but when I login his account on Unity, it show up a notification said that still not enough play time.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Maybe he has few friends, a bad microphone (resulting in mutes), or many hours of being AFK?

pearl light Jul 20, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Maybe so 🤔

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Anyway, thank you guys so much for help me.

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:21 PM

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UUuu dude i also suggest you dont log into his account

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As if he gets banned for doing dumb shit 'Even though he wont do it' You an get beaned also

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Yeah, really not a good idea. For either of you.

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:22 PM

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logging into other people's account's is a really bad idea

pearl light Jul 20, 2018, 5:22 PM

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if so, I will careful about it.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:22 PM

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That's if They are IP banned and or banned from using Unity and VRChat

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 5:23 PM

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It even mentions that it's a bad idea here (click vrchat accounts to skip to the relevant part) https://vrchat.com/community

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:24 PM

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If its a bad idea then there should be a 'Gifting' system

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I believe they're working on something like that

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:24 PM

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If only the VRC team could push unlimited content in an day out

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I think I heard something along those lines as well caffeine

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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To be fair, how hard is it to import a unity package and click a few buttons?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Depends on the models

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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in the mean time, people could take the 5 minutes it takes to import a unity package and upload it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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it takes forever to export Unity Packages

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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If I had the choice between giving out my password, and taking a minute or two to figure out how to upload myself...

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Depends on the project that is

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:25 PM

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If there can be an shady as shit website that promotes illegal things can explain it to people and become well known by having just unity shit

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Im sure it aint to hard

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:26 PM

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@umbral reef I must forget that one VRC avatar website XD

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 5:26 PM

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It's best we keep it forgotten :B

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Push it under the rug. XD

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:27 PM

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I think its bad to call there shit out the second someone mentions it GWchiakiVanillaPray

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Maybe call it "That-which-must-not-be-named" from now on XD

inner cape Jul 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:32 PM

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the problem with bans for uploads is that it is the commonly used way to share avatars with friends and now it can result in bans without any indication

inner cape Jul 20, 2018, 5:33 PM

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They are working on a gifting system, atleast.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Just send the model by email.

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Problem solved

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which is coming soon

inner cape Jul 20, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Svelsten is now DM-able Maidvillager

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:34 PM

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no problem not solved

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the problem is that you can be punished for doing nothing wrong

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Must. Obey. The laws. Which involves using alternative that work and aren't unauthorized by the devs. Got to be adaptive these days.

indigo fern Jul 20, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Caboose did nothing wrong

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Free my mans Caboose

inner cape Jul 20, 2018, 5:37 PM

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maidLuleyes

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:37 PM

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you aren't getting banned for uploads though ikarus

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:37 PM

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really ? i heard it is common for people to rage over it here ?

inner cape Jul 20, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Maidvillager

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:38 PM

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the issue isn't uploading, it's logging into someone's account who has been banned.

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:38 PM

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we are talking about uploading into a different account and getting caught in their ip bans

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:38 PM

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yes

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when you log in as your friend you are effectively telling VRChat's servers you are your friend and so the system thinks you are ban evading

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:38 PM

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i all would like is the info that that could happen to be public

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:39 PM

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It says not to do that in the community guidelines

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:39 PM

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no

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our do you have a source last time i checked all i found was that is it not advised to share your pw

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:40 PM

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And what sharing your password leads too usually ?

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:40 PM

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They tell you not to share your account info. What more do you want them to say?

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:40 PM

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"We strongly advise against sharing your account information with others." != ban for upload

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Jesus christ you are dense

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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i have been told by so many that uploading for other is the common way

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Searching for problems where there's none. Obey. The rules. Do it.

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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yes, it is common, but also dumb

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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no i am not dense but just what understandable information

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Sharing password -> Person gets control of your account -> Person can upload with your account -> Ban

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Understood ?

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Have some common sense.

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:43 PM

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this is not about me undestanding this. it is about sharing this with the users of vrchat

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in for argumentation the step for person can upload -> ban is not clear to everyone jsut from reading tos and guidelines

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:44 PM

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that's because uploading from another account doesn't automatically result in a ban

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:44 PM

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yeah but it can

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:45 PM

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I think it's more like, if you share accounts, they will be seen as owned by the same user, so if one breaks the rules, both are banned

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:45 PM

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that's what we've been saying caffeine

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Pretty much.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:45 PM

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By design, alt accounts are banned too, and the system can't tell the difference

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:46 PM

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It's common sense over the Internet: Do. Not. Share your accounts with other people.

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Just don't.

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If one fails to understand that, it's their own problem.

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Also ikarus- They dont have to show things within there rules for them to punish you

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Its not an country so they are not laws

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If they want to deny you the product because they think you are an alt they can do it

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:47 PM

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yeah i know that they can do what they want but it wouldn't be hard to give this information and wouldn't hurt them

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Its retarded to share accout information anyway so imo its all your own fault if you do it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Extract from the terms and services: "You are solely responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account and password, and you accept responsibility for all activities that occur under your account. "

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:48 PM

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it also wouldn't be hard for people to take 5 minutes to import a unity package and not share account info either

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Like who knows- Maybe the 'friend' logged into VRC- Did bad things there to get just you banned

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GL defending yourself then lul

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:48 PM

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@vocal shard yes but you are banned for something that happend under a different account

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yes maybe but that is sometime not the case

safe yacht Jul 20, 2018, 5:49 PM

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uh oh, is someone in here complaining about how they were rightfully banned again?

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:49 PM

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any way i think we should shporten it

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:49 PM

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not exactly dreamlicker

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complaining about how people get banned after sharing accounts with someone who got banned

safe yacht Jul 20, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Did someone share account?

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:49 PM

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all i suggested was adding the faq with dont give your pw to others for uploading models it can get you banned

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Yeah you can export Unity packages. It's against the Unity ToS if you have dynamic bones in there, but it's not like anyone cares

safe yacht Jul 20, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Well, you fucked up doing that. Sorry.

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:50 PM

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lol yeah no one cares about the Unity ToS

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:50 PM

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it is not about someone specific

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:50 PM

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yeah no specifics dreamlicker, just a general statement

safe yacht Jul 20, 2018, 5:50 PM

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A theoretical?

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Still-- It mgiht be a good lesson for kids these days to never share passwords or accounts

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:51 PM

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"VRChat has discretion, however, to terminate the account of any user after receipt of a single notification of claimed infringement or upon VRChat’s own determination. "

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VRChat's own determination.

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Keywords

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:51 PM

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adding that to the community guidelines wouldn't do anything though judging by how many people ask how long it takes to upload when that info is freely available on the website as well

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:51 PM

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And they did announce it within #announcements to not do it

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:52 PM

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@vocal shard yes we already accept that they can do it that is not what this is about

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not everyone uses discord

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Vrchat can ban anyone at any time if they wanted to because editing the sdk is breaking the rules and no one would do that :^)

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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does anyone have an adobe id, cuz my creative cloud isnt letting me log in and i need to make a model for vrchat

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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adobe id is free to make

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wot

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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??

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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huh?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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And here is the final conclusive ToS line that concludes everything about this drama: "In addition, VRChat may in its sole discretion terminate your user account on the Service or suspend or terminate your access to the Service at any time for any reason or no reason, with or without notice."

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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why do you need adobe creative cloud to make a model?

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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because i cant model for shit

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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just use paint 3d boi

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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and im using fuse to upload a model to mixamo

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which requires creative cloud to use

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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I don't think ikarus is arguing against that Teal. I think all he is saying is add an addendum to "We strongly advise against sharing your account information with others." that says something along the lines of "this can result in a ban by association if you share accounts with someone who is ip banned.

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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@vocal shard yes yes we already had that you are no help

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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boi

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y so rude

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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he was rude the hole time sorry i lost patients

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@limpid river Listen. Contact VRChat using https://www.vrchat.net/contact and stop the drama. Thanks

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The End

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@floral aspen Thing is- If they write that in a legal thing its retarded as well- It only costs things for them to add and more effort
And honest to god- Anyone reads those things?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Now move on

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Only time people care about them is when someone claims X thing and then "Gib source"

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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we did 4 mins ago you keep posting tos part that had nothing to do with what we were talking about

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Nobody reads ToSes, and they basically say "We can do what we want" anyways

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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But common sense isnt an source so then that thingy would be nice
Past that-- Why would they

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@limpid river You won't stop eh ?

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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The VRChat TOS is actually fairly on point and easily readable

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@umbral reef are the community guidelines a legal document? And I completely agree. No one reads them. No one reads the section about the trust system either

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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It's not a 10 page document

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@limpid river Contact VRChat directly. Now fuck off.

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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It's very simple to understand and very clear about its terms

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Guidlines are not an legal thing- But thats why i said the second thing right after

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@vocal shard no need to curse

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Its only usefull AFTER the thing or when someone wants an source for shit

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Or maybe the random odd lucky fella

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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yup

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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But ey- then #announcements would have done the same trick

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Anyway, chat is clean now ?

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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If you wanna solve this fast @limpid river just ping at admin they will come help you out :^)

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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What are we even discussing anymore

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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i have no fucking idea

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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We are but just fellow vrchat users

limpid river Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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@mental verge you should not advise pinging admins for suggestions

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Oh. My. God....

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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https://medium.com/@vrchat/account-security-16be982332 Oi recalled this
If they want a source they got one- They legit say you can get also beaned in there lmao

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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@grim oak upload your model in mixamo website instead? no id needed

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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I think he was joking

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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i cant it wont let me upload a .fuse model

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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export it to fbx

mental verge Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Hit that kid with a fattie block

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eggs dee

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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how

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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@grim oak RTFM?

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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@umbral reef Up this, so he doesn't miss it.

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XD

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:01 PM

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oh

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.-.

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it only lets me export obj or textures

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nothing else

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:01 PM

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That link doesn't have the word "ban" in it

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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oh wait im a fucking idiot i answered my own question by thinking

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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X)

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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-_-

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i completely forgot there was an AUTORIG system in mixamo

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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That's called rubberducking in programming

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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lol is there a reason for the name ?

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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the more you know i suppose

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:04 PM

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you take a rubberduck

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and explain your process to it

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"Hi rubber ducky, tell me the meaning of life"

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telling out loud what you are doing and thinking can help you figure out some stuff

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Basically, when you explain a problem to somebody else, you're likely to notice the mistake you made

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Yeah

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Effective at all ages!

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Although we never had actual rubber duckies in our offices, we always dragged in one of the interns instead.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Kinda like "Let me do a tutorial... wait... that's step isn't right"

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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On weekends I teach kids basic programming and I'm legit thinking about buying a load of bath ducks for them to explain their code to.

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 6:05 PM

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We'd let the interns take a look at it, and while explaining the problem we would figure out the solution

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Or just the coworker next to you I guess

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:06 PM

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@rough pulsar Do it.

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I miss BASIC.

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10 print "Hello"

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20 goto 10

ripe sun Jul 20, 2018, 6:07 PM

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All my avatars are gone and my home was reset. IDK what happened

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:07 PM

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i miss "Brainfuck" programming<--- it's a legit name don't kick me ^^

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:07 PM

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man i did not think rubberducking was an actual term in programming... then again i never knew that the scientific name for a weak part in the walls of a lung was called a blep either

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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blep ? the fuck

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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@vocal shard We start them off on a set of tasks with Scratch first, then when they finish that move them on to some python stuff. I'm thinking part of the "Yay! You completed all the scratch work! On to some fun stuff now. :D" thing, add a rubber duck to it as well.

grim oak Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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yes thats an actual term in medical science

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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@thorny totem ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.

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lol

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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That's brainfuck right?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Yup

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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yea :D @vocal shard

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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I would also like you all to note that in my previous message, I did mistype duck as fuck and it horrified me.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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seems a really fun and interesting way to do it Gallium

median basalt Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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I love esoteric languages

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Probably a "hello world"

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Indeed

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lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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:D

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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I like how it has ">.<" in it

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That summarize my face when I saw it

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lol

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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It's like it doesn't want to greet the world at all

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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X)

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:10 PM

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:D

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Supposedly this is subtract two numbers: +++++>+++[-<->]

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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i think someone tried to make a game engine with it :O

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(with little success, but still)

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:13 PM

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That's... like taking assembly but making it even less readable lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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here your first job will be to fix 1M lines of brainfuck, please don't cry

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:16 PM

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XD

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Always been interested in how the NES worked. Uses 6502 assembly. Seems relatively understandable for general math operations, but drawing stuff on the screen and refreshing it... oh god.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:23 PM

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so

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to run smoothly vrchan with a set

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a 1060 would be good?

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:24 PM

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It just has to beat a 970 in a benchmark

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And not have too little vmem

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:24 PM

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In VR? @azure wren should be ok

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:24 PM

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yeah

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:25 PM

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If your processor doesn't bottleneck every, you should be fine

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:25 PM

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and

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what does that mean'

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?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:26 PM

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If you CPU is too slow, it can cause trouble to your GTX 1060.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:26 PM

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uhhh

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:26 PM

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A bottleneck is when some of your hardware limits another part. For example, if your CPU is too slow, it won't be able to communicate with the GPU fast enough

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So you will basically be lagging because the CPU is the slowest part

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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ohh

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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^ That

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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The name comes from a bottle, you can't pour out water from it very fast, purely because of the neck limiting the rest of it

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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i see i see

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well looks like

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i'll have to get a new cpu too

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:28 PM

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Depends. What kind of CPU do you have if I may ask ?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:28 PM

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im trying to

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discover it

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i cant even remember

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its been

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5 years

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Are you on Windows 10 ?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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yep

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Windows key + pause/break key

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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@tacit plank I just learned a new shortcut. lol

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Usually I would open the device manager. lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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yeah i did that

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:30 PM

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NP, I didn't know if it worked on Win10 actually, but glad that it does

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:30 PM

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oo

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ok

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:30 PM

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I guess that's at least one good thing about Microsoft products. They tend to keep their shortcuts over time.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:30 PM

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now i remember

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i bought both cpu and card together

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so yeah i think its pretty

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old

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maybe too much

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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The recommended specs by Oculus and VRChat are a i5-4590 or a AMD Ryzen 5 1500X or greater for the CPU

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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haha

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rip my wallet

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got a nice

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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vrchat is misleading tho

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since most of the stuff in it is user generated

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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AMD a10-5800k

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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and it can get laggy even with the best spec ever

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Yeah the A10 is kinda old. Still okay for running regular games tho I think.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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yes that's the reason i told you to get the PC before the HMD @azure wren there is a real cost behind it, HMD are cheap

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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well

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i can manage to get a gtx1060

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i mean

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its 300 bucks

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but idk what cpu i should get now x_x

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the thing is i've never actlly thought about it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:34 PM

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The Ryzen 5 isn't too expensive I think. It's introduction price was 249$ for the best Ryzen 5, that was a year ago. Probably dropped in price.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:34 PM

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chance are, good CPUs are not compatible with your motherboard :\ gab

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:34 PM

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if it works with a 1060 then all suggestions are wlcome

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._.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:34 PM

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Let me check newegg lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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it looks cheaper to just buy another pc...

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Preeeetty much. The hard drives are still good tho.

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lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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sometime it's a better choice yes

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Selling the previous computer compensate for the new one too

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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changing motherboard is an option?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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sure depending of your PC case

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:36 PM

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If you change CPU, there are very high chance you will need to change the motherboard. Like 99% chance or something

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lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:36 PM

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and if you change your Motherboard you'll need some New ram with that (DDR3 vs DDR4)

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Fortunately the prices dropped a little I think. It was horrible a couple months ago

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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x_x

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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:D sorry i feel like i'm giving you bad news after bad news :P

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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so i would need to change ram too?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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yes

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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its more like

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im trying to check em

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but i dunno how

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:38 PM

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HWInfo could tell you the type of RAM. CPU-Z too I think.

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Speccy too, whatever it's written

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:38 PM

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GPU-Z/CPU-Z yes

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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cpu-z x_x?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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it's a software to get a quick view of your components

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google the name

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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ohh

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wai i cant just take a look at my pc's specs?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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you can, do a dxdiag

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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did

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and

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in system model

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says

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system product name

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:41 PM

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that's it?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:42 PM

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yyep

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:42 PM

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check your dm, i sent you a link to cpu-z

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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mhm

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Also in general: AMD is more budget friendly than Intel, but... I never ran an AMD processor, I don't know exactly how their Ryzen line run.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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From my experience, AMD is slower and warmer

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:44 PM

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amd isnt great at all, i can tell

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Everything I've heard of the Ryzens are they match intel at a more affordable price.

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Only ryzen I have is a threadripper 1950x and I don't use it for gaming so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:45 PM

#

Ryzens from what I heard are pure magic at multicore rendering stuff.

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:45 PM

#

Ryzen processors are good
anything before Ryzen is not good

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:45 PM

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@azure wren Asus F2a85-m le is a DDR3 MB, sorry, you'll need to get the RAM too

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

That's part of the reason I got a threadripper. Rendering and general things that thread well.

Like not vrchat. :B

median crypt Jul 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

Have anyone played Olphis EscapeGame and actually figured out the sun disk thingy?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

that was

#

my mothercard

#

i think .-.

#

motherboard*

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

motherboard yes

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

#

aaand that would cost too

#

surely not under 100 $

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:47 PM

#

you need a motherboard, a cpu, some DDR4 ram, a decent GPU to summarize

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

#

the thing about ryzen processors though is single core performance suffers compared to intel in exchange for more cores

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

#

and i even upgraded the ram to 14gb .-.

#

vrpill

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

#

and probably a powersupply too XD

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

#

Nothing is loss though, can always resell the things on Ebay.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

#

powersupply?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

#

what is it right now?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:49 PM

#

@vocal shard who the hell would buy this kind of stuff .-., colletionists?

#

idk

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:49 PM

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you need to open the case to see it @azure wren

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:49 PM

#

rip..

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:49 PM

#

Usually rated in watts

#

But let's make a grocery list ! 😄

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

i may just go to the shop

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

yes would be a good idea

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

and buy one of those cool-looking aldy builted pc

#

with all the stuff in it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

Computer stores often sell the stuff at 20% more than online. X)

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

im lucky cuz

#

i got one right next to my house

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

#

At least, also, stay away from laptops

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

im

#

NEVER

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

don't get one under $700 though...under the chance are it'll be low specs components @azure wren

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

gonna get a laptop

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

Oh god laptops. lol

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

The shit in stores are still 2ghz dou-cores, and it's like 1000$ for most

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

@thorny totem the last one i saw was for 1.4k

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

If the only thing they dare to tell you about the specs is the Ram and screen size, keep away

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:51 PM

#

if i see

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a good gcard on the specs desc

#

then i think

#

it would mean a good cpu and motherboard

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

#

Usually

#

I have yet to see that in a store though, hell, they never list the GPU

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

#

Getting a high end laptop is only worth it if you travel a lot, or want a portable VR system.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

#

im

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spending

#

102% of my time

#

inside

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

#

It's like "8GB 13.7" laptop 1000$, Windows 10 64bit". Like yeah, but what they hell is in it?

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

#

lmao

#

well here they're more

#

specific

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

#

For that price it better be some good shit

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

#

they tell you gcard, cpu, and other stuff

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

Even worst: "Apple Macbook Pro 15". That's it. lol

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

Sometimes, they add "i7", without telling that it's a low-power mobile dou or quad core running around 2Ghz

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

well

#

for a laptop

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

VR is a laptop killer though (literally, the cooling is subpar), unless you go for the not so transportable one (at crazy prices), Gallium

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

alienware

#

isnt that bad

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

Alienware is overpriced.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

but hey

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

Alienware was good 10 years ago, but I doubt it is anymore

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

#

if u play vrchat on a laptop .-.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

#

It's basically a Dell with a alien sticker that increases the price.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

#

lmao

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

#

My brother had a alienware from laptop from 2006, it could run WoW on max settings 60FPS until a few months ago, when he somehow broke it while trying to change something in it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

#

"You must not open it" - Dell

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lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

#

or "eheh we got you"

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

#

"You won't open it" - Apple.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

#

I don't think Alienware is good quality anymore though, even if it was always overpriced

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

#

My MSI laptop has handled running VR for several hours a day for almost two years now, so…

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

#

MSI are relatively solid

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

#

well

#

i could buy

#

a pc

#

with an

#

i5.7400 quad and a gtx 1060

#

for 1k

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

If only they still made IBM Thinkpad, but with a GTX 1080 Ti in it and a core i7 at 3.8 ghz. Those thing were indestructible. lol

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

the way gpu and ram prices are right now, it would probably be cheaper to get a pre-built machine off amazon or something

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

That will probably run VR decently Gab

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

"decently"

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

45 FPS in VRChat

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

im getting lost in the wide sea of computer mechs

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

#

45 FPS if you're in a crowded room

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

You're lucky Gallium, it must be a pretty high end one then, but most doesn't handle the Heat and the GPUs chips tend to desolder with time -> usual black screen

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

I get 90 fps if it's just a few people

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

Laptops underclock, their cooling is too poor for current high-end hardware

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

Yup

#

Let see... Ryzen 7: 250 $. AM4 motherboard: 150$. GTX 1060: 250 $. DDR4 RAM: 150 $. Power supply: 80 $...

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

holy

#

damn

#

for an

#

intel i9

#

$2000

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

Well yeah. That's just launched pretty much

#

lol

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

i9 is for professional use cases. You don't need an i9 for gaming

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

and it would still only get 24fps on vrchat 😛

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

#

well

#

the best setup

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

Wow, lol. The i7-4790k 4.4GHz is like #5 single core performance still

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

would be an i9 and a gtx 1080

#

?

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

yup, I have a 4790k. It's a beast cpu

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

The i9 is overkill

#

lol

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

#

im still on a second gen i7

#

works well for me

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

waiwai

#

can the bottle thing

#

go reverse?

#

so like

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

Recent CPUs have more cores and a slightly worse clock speed, but most games still don't multithread well, so basically, a i9 is a waste currently unless you like having lots of stuff open and running

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

i get an i7

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

That would work

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

but my card isnt compatible?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

#

Nope

#

You have a AMD A10, that's totally a different CPU socket

#

Need a new motherboard

#

If you plan to buy a i7

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

#

nunu

#

im planning of

#

getting a whole new pc

#

even if i could get all the parts

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

#

I had an A10 before this one. Afaik I couldn't really use a lot of GPUs with it

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

#

i dont even know how to open my pc

#

i would just mess up everything

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

yeah don"t :)

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

Two screws at the back usually. And pull the side panel lol

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

Apply pressure on the side and move your hand in either direction

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

if you want good single thread performance get an intel, since AMD seems to focus on more cores

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

uhh

#

its enough to say

#

get an intel

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

Or if the screws are still in, remove them, lol. The hard part is changing hardware, not getting into it

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

cuz idk what means focusing on cores

#

more cores = the better?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

Basically, get the highest clock speed that you can get. Don't mind the number of cores.

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

depends on what you want to use your computer for if more cores are better or not. But in general, yes more cores are good

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

dude

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

More cores means more things can be done at once, but most games (like VRChat) can only use a single core at a time, so you should get one with good single-core performance, which is most i7s

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

if i ever get a pc

#

it would only be for gaming

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

Go for high GHz speed

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

@vocal shard more core for 3D Cad though :)

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

then you want to focus on clock speed

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

so just

#

shittons of ghz

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

yes

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

yup

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

well

#

now i know what to do

#

just

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

#

Still, at least i5or i7, I think the i3s are only low-end

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

#

have to wait the next 5 years

#

for the money

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

#

@thorny totem Well yeah if you do CAD, engineering stuff, music composition, etc., get more cores lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

#

just put $3000 on the table ^D@azure wren

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

#

lmao

#

give me

#

my funds for

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

#

For that, you will get a GTX 1080 Ti and a i7 top of the line lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

#

entertain

#

are

#

15 bucks

#

rn

#

the rest goes to

#

surviving

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

#

@vocal shard doing Vrchat modeling/rendering :P

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

so rn the best setup would be a 1080 ti and a i7

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

Well that would be like... luxury

#

lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

well

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

fun fact
the 7th gen i3 has better single core performance then the 7th gen i5, but is only dual core

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

Economic VR would be like... a GTX 1060 or GTX 970 and maybe a i5 with good clock speed

umbral reef Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

To be fair what would be an top tier pc with like everything now GWcfcThonk

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

If you plan for VR, go as far as you reasonably can.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

AHAH

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

^

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

Gallium

#

you know how far can i go?

#

i can

#

get drugs

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

A nice Casio calculator? (do they even make them anymore?)

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

and have allucinations of having a vr set

#

thats it

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

get to saving boi

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

@umbral reef Top tier ? i9 and Titan V I guess. And as much RAM as you can get. And TBs of SSD storage.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:07 PM

#

lmao i probably have a casio smwhere

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:08 PM

#

Titan V isn't worth

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:08 PM

#

Cardboard vr ftw. Lol

#

@floral aspen Good old GTX 1080 Ti then o3o

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:08 PM

#

might as well wait a few months for the 1180 to come out

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:08 PM

#

if you got

#

1k bucks to throw on it

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:08 PM

#

in SLI config. Cause why not ?! XD

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

1080ti sli would be a beast

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

Quad sli 1080 Ti 😄

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

would be a waste of money XD

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

XD

#

1200 W power supply !

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

SLI is the worst thing you could do today :P

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

indeed

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

I saw a dude with quad sli 1080ti's play Crysis at 8k on youtube

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

ok

#

i foudn

#

my baby

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

(for gaming i mean) for computing it's ok

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

from aegis

#

hd 3 tera

#

ssd 500 gb

#

ram 64 gb

#

got a nice

floral aspen Jul 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

but yes what Kane said. Better to have the best single card you can get than sli

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

i7

#

and a gtx 1080 t

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

64 GB of RAM is overkill imo

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

all this

#

for the cheap price

#

of $4000

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

Overkill

#

lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

indeed :D

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

that

#

overkills my wallet

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

Sounds reasonable. Lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

i can bankrupt bcuz of a pc

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

3TB hdd is not even 200$ I think

#

Ram is expensive lately thoguh

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

well

#

i have

#

12 gb

#

and i never had a problem

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

#

Depends of the models I guess. Good old WD Black aren't too expensive.

#

12 GB is plenty just for gaming

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

12 is fine for vrchat

Unless you find a memory leak in which case good luck

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

memory leak?

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

I've had leaks before

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

o

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

With VRChat using like 26GB on it's own

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

Yeah sometimes the code accidentally fill the memory full, causing crashes lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

found

#

the overkilling pc

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

A restart fixes that though

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

Memory use just goes up and up because things that should be cleared out of memory aren't.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

i had one once at 25Gb

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

it never happened

#

to me

#

:/

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

I've had things fill my laptop's 32gb 😱

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

well i get alot of crashes from loading screens

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

I don't think you'd notice, because the game will just crash and free the memory again

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

:O

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

I don't remember which game it was, but I had the entire 16GB of RAM filled in seconds.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

well see

#

tehn

#

64gb

#

of ram

#

are usefull

#

better prevent than healing

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

If you have memory leaks, even 128GB won't be enough after enough time

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

Useful only if doing memory intensive things

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

wai

#

leaks gets worse?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

yup

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

Haven't had any problems with my desktop's 128gb :B

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

D:

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

Leaking means that it just slowly use more and more ram

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

Most of the time, the leaks never stop and fill everything

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

its like

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

ok you get all that Gab and then Go coucou on VRCHAT and get banned XD

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

an ill

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

But a restart fixes it

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

LMAO

#

so if i turn it off

#

and turn it on again

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

Usually just a programming quirk that cause that

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

it gets good

#

well im all this big talking

#

but hey

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

More often than not the leaking process getting killed will free up all the memory back to normal levels.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

i dont even have a mic

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

Sometimes programs just need a restart now and then to run well, it's caused by poor resource management in the code

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

well its still a bad thing to have a progressing leak

#

what if it fills your ram?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

Honestly, with current games, 16GB is plenty enough. And as memory is stupidly overpriced at the moment, don't go overkill on it. lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

#

then it swap usually

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

,.,

#

why someone

#

would

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

Then the program crashes, maybe other programs or your computer itself. That, or it swaps on the disk (using HDD space in place of ram) which is really slow, causing everything to lag

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

throw

#

5k bucks

#

on a pc

#

im

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

Flashbacks to the time blender used 80gb of memory
I only had 8gb of RAM
the rest was swap I was madly adding

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

Because they have the cash ? lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

triggered...?

#

i mean

#

we talked about

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

Rich people doing rich things lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

an overkill i9

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

Lol Gallium

errant vault Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

+_-

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

an overkill 64gb ram

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

80? My blender has only been on 9GB

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

#

but

#

why someone

#

throwed em together

#

like, you got too much specs

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:17 PM

#

I think I accidentally tried to bake a gigantic texture and didn't want to cancel it for some daft reason.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:17 PM

#

Load in model with CATS, delete it, load in a new, etc. I did this to look what models I had downloaded, and reached 9GB ram used pretty fast

#

Lol, that has got to be at least a 16k one then?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:17 PM

#

that's when SSD becomes handy

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

whenever i build a new rig, i want to stuff as much ram as possible in the thing

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

@azure wren Here's your PC spec you should find: i7 at least 3.4 ghz per core, the more ghz the better, 12 gb of RAM, maybe 16GB if you have a deal, and a GTX 1060 or GTX 970.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

SSD or not, nothing is swapping on my watch. I disabled that shit.My ram runs at 28GB/s, my SSD only 600MB/s

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

@tranquil perch Come visit, you can have a play on my system. It's obscene.

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

would help combat memory leaks but would be fun to use as a ram disc for some programs every once and a hwile that love to crash

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

@tranquil perch Lol "All those RAM slots... let's fill them all !!" XD

ruby needle Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

the more ghz the better? hold my beer imma getting my 6ghz pentium out of the basement

#

cirBaka

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

@tranquil perch Intel Optane can be a cheap alternative

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

@ruby needle And at least 4 cores.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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@vocal shard i found a better one

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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@ruby needle lol

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Ram disks are nice

ruby needle Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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ram dists are only worth for very special cases

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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True

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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waiwai

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why

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an i9

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has less ghz

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than a i7 .-.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Runs damn fast though! The loading screens will just be the screen blinking fast

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Because the i9 favors more core over ghz

ruby needle Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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ghz says nothing about a cpu's performance btw

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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ohh

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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although considering i built this comp on a budget 6 or so years ago, its still holding together nicely

ruby needle Jul 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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its only a factor cirBaka

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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@tranquil perch why my 3 yr old one isnt?

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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If I can get one of my 1080ti's pci-passthrough'd to a windows 10 VM, gonna try vrchat with the cache on a ramdisk. See how that goes.

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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i9 is only useful for people that do insane CAD work or other multithreaded applications optimized to use as many cores as possible.

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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My brother made a Minecraft world in one. The entire world loaded in like a second, he couldn't fly fast enough to stop the world from loading even with 10 times speedhack

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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i see

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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only part i ever really had to upgrade was the gpu

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when i first built it, it had a 460 gtx in it

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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i need to upgrade ma life, man..

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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it eventually died, and i upgraded to a 970

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Good idea Gallium, do it for science

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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I remember my ATi 9600 Pro T.T

tacit plank Jul 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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And you can earn the spot as my second favorite metal

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Gallium i have the cache on a ramdrive a static copy reinjected everytime i restart the app

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quite fast

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:22 PM

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this

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is too hard to understand at once

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Damn, I imagine cached stuff loads so fast you barely notice

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Still limited by the connection when refreshing maps though

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Wait... so you are telling me that if I get a RAM drive... I could boot Windows faster than I'm booting it right now with my SSD ? 😄

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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but yea it's fast, i should benchmark it someday

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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I... need a RAM Drive. o3o

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lol

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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ahaha XD

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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i would love to throw a game or two on a ram disc when modding junk and frequently causing crashes due to it

rough pulsar Jul 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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I wonder how I'd go about running my entire OS off a ramdisk.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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waiwai

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Boot in 2 seconds

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lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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ram disk?

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aint ram just one?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Ram drive is pretty much a thing you plug in a PCI slot and add ram modules to it. I think ?

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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you can with optane Gallium (well not exactly the same, but still)

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Imagine: VRChat cache... on RAM Drive O.O

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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you can try it :)

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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huhh..

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Or: Unzipping files... on a RAM Drive !

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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sure

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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7-zip window opens, closes 2 seconds later. That was 250gb of zipped stuff !

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lol

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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wai so

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bigger ram

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speeds up

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my loading screens?

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Not really. RAM disk do.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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just put your tmp/temp dir in the ramdrive itself

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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no more waiting really 24 irl hours for a 24 hr cycle on kingdom come??

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Well you know SSDs ?

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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just got to remember, whats on the ram drive is lost once its depowered

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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They reduce load time for long loading games

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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and

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no

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@tranquil perch Ah so that's how they work

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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i dunno whats that

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Solid state drive, a replacement for regular hard drives.

thorny totem Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@tranquil perch yes ! but you can reinject whatever you want after a reboot. Just push the data back at the needed time (a copy/backup of it)

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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uhhh

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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although depending on what youa re doing, the loss of data can be a plus

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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ahah

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nope

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i got

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too many questions

tranquil perch Jul 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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who needs to clear the vrc cache manually when the ram disk kils on automaticly 😛

vocal shard Jul 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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That's handy 😮

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Or Nvidia install files.

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@azure wren Well just to show the difference in load time, my system boot in like 8 seconds on SSD, including boot screen I think. Took more than 20 seconds I think for regular mechanical hard drive.

azure wren Jul 20, 2018, 7:32 PM

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yeh but

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my problem