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Found an easier way get mmd models to show correctly in blender LOL over in CAT section just click (Fix Model) and it does everything for U... XD
Im such an idiot
@inner cape Go look in #vrchat-pictures Tehehe >:)
LOL its a giant even though its size will be scaled down before uploading the model XD
Jeez
I think if I actually uploaded that kind of model to VRCHAT most likely it would cause a huge lag to everyone in the room XD Then crash them and me to XD
Yeah I know
Then why
62,100 polygons LOL XD
Polies dont lag much either
They will not lag when their static its when they move is what can cuase a huge lag XD
62k wont lag either


Yeah but most of my is under 19K anyway
LOL

when i'm done with the texture editing i'll make it a one material texture. optimizationgasm

also i didn't know why they'd put glasses + cat ears on a shygal. nani tf
begone
Thats my fetish
it wont let my upload the skin?
are you new to vrchat ?
There is a system to prevent brand new player from uploading at the beginning
@ruby needle said this about that :
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a certain trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord the typical time this takes seems to roughly be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account by accident because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
Hey does anybody have a tutorial for getting started with unity? Like avatars/shaders ect
look up tuppers vrchat mega tutorial on youtube
What about shaders because I downloaded this shader but I don't know how it works
It has an S on it and I don't know how to apply iy
it
you can either drag the shader onto a material, or choose the shader from the drop down menu on the material
Do you know anybody I can talk to to help me?
He just told you how to do it, but further questions should go to the avatar channels @vocal shard
alright thank you @modern sand
hmm
@vital badger a lot of them lol
@worthy surge only with dynamic bones imo
@kind folio ???
Did any of you know of a dota2 avatar world?
If not, then I am going to make one
I dunno fully how, but I will
@wraith stone Have you watch tutors n how to do things yet?
@wraith stone Someone is already making one, should be finished soon
kek
@cerulean venture lets use an appropriate chanel
reddit is reddit
there is so much people spreading so much bullshit
you have 2 sides
some just want to harm and spread rumors and things cus they had bad experiences or what not
you have that in every game
it is unavoidable
"haters gonna hate"
This community loves rumours
yes
This is the 3rd day this person has crashed my game and cloned my avatars plus he told me hes got anti crash client installed
the best you can do is file a report with every crash
describe the szenario and include an output log
if you have a video recording that would ofc be the best
Ill try recording it in obs studio
dont forgett to save your output logs after crashing
each restart they are overwritten
do not link to that website here
What's the beef for?
they also distribute modified clients
namely the anti crash client which is by the site staff even
so
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
shows how much they care about the rules
its politics and dramamjust know its punishable
Aww , some one is already finished almost?
Well that's good
Although there are some hero's not included on the DotA resources
For example ME
Wisp
Do I care if I hear someone admit to serious crimes? I mean its not like I can report them to their police with this game but, yeah.
if you have proof then yeah
Would them admitting to it over voice in this game be admittance thats at all meaningful?
Yes
Then the problem comes down to knowing where theyre from...
But this guy was probably dumb enough to answer if I asked.
@wraith stone Wisp will be part of it π

It's vrchat related π



we beating ruuubick at his own game? 
No bully pls 
ok dont worry 
anyone here know where to find extremely difficult to find VrChat avatars? feel like i have been looking forever for a grave from gungrave avatar.

Maybe it just doesn't exist?
could be custom made 
ohhh. heh.
been trying to get him as an avatar in VrChat. cause i am a mute in VrChat and the char is mute.
i do not know how popular the gungrave series is.
i know it's mafia oriented though.
Me neither, never heard of it
i know it has a VR game now though.
Hm
Everybody's a noob at some point. You'd be surprised at fast you learn to use blender and unity. Pick up the softwares, watch the beginner tutorials, and you'll already be making stuff.
And you've got an amazing community ready to help you when you have a question or a problem.
100k poly, lets go
yo dafuq just happened? my game logged out and when i logged back on my entire private avatar list was gone
high chance of server bug
totally untubular brah
they will be back after some times normally
call me an idiot, i logged in with steam instead of vrchat -_-
You're a good person
thanks π


βΊ
can we request an option to hide active public intsances or disable the join button for them?
like it would mean SO MUCH
#feature-requests You can !
yeet
=^~^= vrchat <3
e aee
My gf got off vr chat and I asked if she had fun, she was slurping her words and didn't really understand her beside chilling at great pub then she fell a sleep haha guess it made her sleepy it was so fun... =D
Vr always makes me sleepy. Too much bright light on my eyes
Same
I passed out with it on once like a sleep mask I turned it off but left it on my face and just passed out. No light was getting through and it was warm so I just zzz my heart away
Isn't that what the sleeper world's are for on vr chat? To sleep? I never jijned one with people haha I fekt it'd be odd if they were sleeping since I stream. Would be weird to record them as they sleep >~<
I've put people to sleep before
By talking or other means haha
As in, stayed up with them, comforting n such
I spent an entire day once, looking after a friend
Gotta admit it was a cute sight
I wanna sleep now but I got a crap ton of over time at Amazon =(
Prime day = slave week xD
Try it haha ^~^
Ah, I play on bed sometimes that when I get sleepy >~<
My bed is out of play area
I just use open vr and change my height for vr chat and play laying down =3
Mine out of the play space too but my vive light house can still see me fine
Unless my body blocking vision
I might set it up differently somehow to face the bed
But then I have the next obstscle
My parents
They would think I'm crazy
Would they be wrong though to think that
Cuz I'm a little crazy Β°^Β°
Well, I'm not
I don't think I'll shleep in vr any time soon
I got busy years ahead of me as well
Full body tracking and zzz lol
Depends on the world really, if your sleeping in a pretty old unpopular one i doubt you will have too much of a problem.
Thats kinda cute, eeeeee
Any time I lay down with full body on though, everyone gots to get weird avd touch my avatar >~<
I'm better at putting others to shleep rather than shleeping myself
I spent an hour patting and comforting a friend, then 4 hours just guarding him and then I woke him up as he told me to do
How do you do custom emojis and no I don't mean emotes.
Oh, and less avatars that crash games
You just do 
I only got ear rape like 3 times in my 100hrs and never found someone with a crashing avatar yet...
On the tokya drift map, if you remove the car someone driving it crashes everyone vr chat that only way ppl crashed me
He looking for his pen Luna
To draw!
Wtf
No pets from ghoost =(
Just add me on vrc and then if you eventually meet me, I will do it
I enjoy going to the clubs and spinning around in circles for 5 min and try to not fall in vr xD
Name ghost? ^~^ you can DM it if you wants
Same as my nickname
Otay, same here
Not the account nickname, the one on this server
I can't seem to find an emoji override in the sdk. I can only find emote override.
You can't have custom emojis
Not sure why
Ah yes, because there is no automated way to determine if they are safe for public
:>
Well you kinda can. You could add eomji to you avatar itself as a partical to maybe a gesture. Like some people I've seen have used hears with some gestures to come out of avatar but to out right over write eomji isn't possible
I assume because emoji are not avatar bound.
That just takes effort =3
People can still use non public safe images though.
Punish meeee
wowie
Wait don't, I dont need a ban I good...

That was my goal ghoost ^~^
Hewo there

Exactly
Do you mean emote? You can only have a few unless you overwrite them with some IK thing, which allows for up to 14.
But if you really mean emoji, you can use 3D text, since emoji is a unicode block
π
Ah there Norton on my new laptop
I'd rather have malware honestly. Norton eats fps on games =(
Norton is shit. It's far from the worst, but I still hate it
What is Norton?
Anti-virus but it's not a good one.
Why do you use it then?
AVG sells your browsing history, McAfee was even denounced by its creator, avast.. Well, I forgot what was bad about it, but it definitely sucks as well
Not using windows defender π
If you use common sense, windows defender is more than enough
Just avoid antiviruses in general, really. At best they cost money or constantly nag you to update them or buy something, at worst they're literally malware in themselves
Often Norton will pay company's to install the anti-virus in hopes people will renew subscription. I am not using it just came on this laptop. Gonna remove it cuz I need those extra frames for vr chat =3 @inner cape
Which I need to install. >~<
For the new people, we try to keep this channel for VRChat related discussions, otherwise #general-media is the channel for random topics

Calm
I need some pictures of your avatar in game, Ruuubick
Unless you literally use a Rubick model
If you open Discord in your browser, you can download his profile picture in the quality that it was uploaded in
How do you think we made these

I meant, if he could pose n stuff
That could be good material for new emotes
Yes, because there's already not enough π
Also i don't use a rubick avatar anymore
What do you use then?
You've never seen my crocodile ?
Nope

I haven't seen Pill in game in months
You all running around with your eyes closed then
Is there a way to report users for using NSFW avatars in public worlds on the game itself? I only saw block and mute >~<
I used to be friends with Pill and see him quite often, but then he purged his friends list
Read stuff in #moderation-reports
Vote kick
You set your IPD correctly, Ghoost? My eyes used to hurt a bit too but after fiddling with it I can easily go 6 hours or more
Ah so I can't do it Ingame. Noted, I was streaming and a guy joined with well yeah. You can guess, but I didn't report them since I didn't see how lol
yeah, when someone initiates a vote to kick someone from the instance
Check #vrchat-pictures Ghoost
I was confused when I saw that too Luna haha first time I was like does this mean my mic disabled?
I'll be changing the face plate when I get back home, see if it helps
if your mic is disabled the mic icon will have a line through it
Also the textures look dota-like to me
IPD of the headset i'm guessing
^
He's got a lava hand, that doesn't sound safe
Not safe to hug crocodile in person. Only in vr can it be safe.
You can't hug then π
Ohhh, so that's what IPD is
I'll pretend I did
And that's why everything looks so small when you're a larger avatar with Scale IPD on
Scaling isn't automtic
It's an option in the avatar descriptor
Scaling freaks me out
Never tried disabling it
I quite like it
I didn't know that was an option tbh. I wanna try it on my big avatar now
π€
And now I know why votekick doesnβt work - people donβt know what the icon is w
People often ignore it or say no, because they do not know why someone's being votekicked
Atleast that's what I do when I don't know the reason
When can I use the sdk like seriously
To upload?
Because you need to play the game more and be a nice little slids while playing 
i dont get people when i started vrchat i spend days palying before i even wanted my own avatar and evene more time before i felt like i could do it
Plenty of people have the same feeling and do the same things- But they swap from an steam to VRC account then and then hit the trust system wall
And in the past we did not have that so 
Y o wat ub evr bodi
what ?
@dark narwhal The sky is up
not as up as my mom gottem....
How can I avoid being crashed by other players? It happens to me all the time
Hang around with people you trust? There's also a beta-ish particle limiter (check out #particle-limiter-share-settings) that can prevent particle spam from crashing you (don't set any values to 0, it causes bugs. It is kinda beta. π)
K thx
Gallium
And if anyone does deliberately crash you, let vrchat crash & close and don't start it again just yet.
Grab your output log and attach it to an email to moderation@vrchat.com with when and where you were when it happened and if any user said they'll crash you, mention their username as well.
Then start vrchat again. (The reason to wait is that the output log gets reset each time vrchat starts)
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
It's not a specific time, it's more of how you spend that time. Explore vrchat, make friends, etc.
Some people have taken over 40 hours, some less thn 5.
Of course, do make sure you're using a vrchat account and not a steam login.
@rough pulsar wanna help me understand why I keep crashing? ;^^
Alrightthanks
Someone has an avatar that makes you happened to me a few times @white jay
Wait what? Sorry I don't understand what you said @fading escarp
@white jay If you feel like having a look yourself, have a read of your output log after a crash. Might find something that points to why, or at least should say the last few things that happened before a crash.
It's not vrchat it is an avatar or a person making you crash
Thats the thing. Like right now I am in my home doing nothing but typing here and I crashed and reset the world
Not always. I've had other issues cause a crash.
But the persons nameplate is gone
Its when I am in a server with no people or people. I don't know why its doing this? This all started 4 days ago and it keeps happening.
It is getting annoying as hell. I don't get thrown out of game but just back to my home world.
Deleted the cache and ended all the tasks that did not matter for CPU
Yet I keep crashing
Again happening as we speak I keep getting a reset
i never looked into the log files but maybe you will find something there
and of course there is the usual stuff: make sure driver are up to date, reinstall vrchat, check gpu temperatur
My drivers? Like my graphics card?
yes
Im kinda dumb at tech so bare with me
@white jay Okay, getting thrown back to your home world is very different from the client crashing.
I had that issue start last night for me and a friend who had it happen too suggested trying this
https://support.streamlabs.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004232954-How-to-solve-IPv6-issues
Ok cool, now quick question before I redo some stuff here but will have affects on people in my house? @rough pulsar
If you're only doing it to your PC, shouldn't do. Not much stuff uses ipv6 yet.
Plus you can always undo the changes if it introduces more problems than it fixes.
Oh got yea, just wanted to make sure I was not tampering anyone without knowing. Thanks a ton @rough pulsar and sorry for the misinterpretation earlier.
@rough pulsar who should I get for this one person I found without a nameplate?
I wonder if VRChat will eventually develop into something like Ready Player One's Oasis π€
seems like an earlier version of the oasis, I like where it's going so far c:
Until they accidentally release a hotfix that wipes people's brains
wat brains
tru
hewo guys, it's my first time i ever uploaded a map (Lyoko Tower) and i'm super stressed about it ;w;
i hope you wont encounter any problem ;w;
Hmm... I'm tinkering with PaperStick, Google Cardboard, and bluetooth; maybe I'll find a way to connect them all to VRChat and have a $20 setup lol
@plucky hemlock it mainly affects the the desktop, but it also lowers some settings in vr as well. I usually play on desktop low setting, but in vr edges are noticeably more jaggy and it feels a slight lower res than on high settings.
hey so i have a lenovo explorer and the controllers have touchpads and thumbsticks but in vrchat movement is done by the touchpad so i accidentally activate gestures sometimes and the thumbsticks do nothing, can i make it so the touchpads still activate gestures but movement is done by the thumbsticks?
oh how do i do that?
Right click on steamvr in the library and open the settings. (Can't remember exactly) then in the window, there some tabs. I think there's a beta tab. Choose opt into beta
Then when in vr, press down on the thumbstick to open the steam overlay
ok, i guess its an update or sperate download, its downloading now
Choose the setting icon on the bottom and choose controller configurations from the window. Select vrchat, and go down to the community configurations. There is one for thumbsticks
Yeah, it's an update
It works best with vive advanced controls enabled in the vrchat system window
kk, i'll try it out, if i have any problems i'll let you know, thanks
Sure thing. Np
I don't think the desktop mirror changes much. It shouldn't be rendering anything extra that would hurt performance
I just figured it was. (Mine at least) looks like it's just a single eye render zoomed in to fill a 6:9 window
And not rendering more
Idk
Can you guys please built the client for Mac? D: so we don't have to use Nvidia Geforce Now
SDK works fine but cannot build the client ourselves π
seems silly to bother tbh mac would be strictly desktop mode
For like a week ive been playing vr chat on and off but cant upload using the sdk. How do I gain access to this thing?!
Hmm, no support for external GPUs in Unity? π
Hey so I have this little problem
Every time I export an XPS model into unity
The textures donβt display right
Like itβs just everything is black
forgot to sleep because I was up all night with VR models
30 hrs and sill cant upload
Have you just afked it?
not exactly
iv been playing for most of the time
Hmmm
When you open up your menu there is no VRchat logo at the top left of menu
no
there is no logo
Afkong shouldn't count against you, but it doesn't really help either.
From wha we know (and that is honestly just guessing and peeps who got it early explaining what they did) Being social helps a lot and being a cunt does not help
Aka going into rooms- Making friends- Playing the game is good stuff
iv made alot of friends and some people blocked me and mute me
No, there is some logic to it. Doing things that indicate you're not trouble, such as making friends (I suspect having others friend you first counts more than sending a friend request), exploring worlds with people and stuff.
Things that count against you are getting blocked or warned or votekicked. Muting too, probably.
Exactly how all this works is kept secret.
Man I am so glad I came to this game way before any of this system
Cause this sounds like a fuckin pain lol
yeah same
damn
Best thing to do is find some friends and just have fun. Avoiding instances that seem to be filled with troublemakers.
In fact, go exploring off the far end of the menu. Find some old worlds. Stuff from the beeple contest are pretty amazing.
alright will do thank you
Hey anyone down to RP π ?
Do not post the same thing across multiple channels
I can rp, but only after 9 hours when I come back home
it bugs me when a character's arms can't reach as far as mine can
I know there's nothing to be done about that, but it still bugs me
I wonder if its possible to make the little monsters janitor guy into a working avatar
I found a model of him, but I imagine his arms would be permanently bent
Can I fix my problem with the XPS
to why the material shits itself whenever I export it as an FBX
And all I see is black on the character
just me that got signed out and got a messages saying unauthorized?
probably just you
what exactly does the message say?
could not sign in - "unauthorized"
Try changing the password
finally let me in thanks for the help guys much appreciated π
How do i see my friends list on the VRChat website? I swear i saw it before
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117560
Is this good for VR?
I would recommend against it
Better get the newest i5
The 8600
Not only the better gaming CPU but als cheaper
I already have this one, I want to know if I need to upgrade
No
Okay thanks
@earnest pewter log in to your account and search for their name in the search bar
Thx. I swear there was a list of online/offline at one point.
It was under the World section
I've never seen the entire list on the website, only been able to search individual users. I wish they would add the full friends list though. It would be nice to more conveniently be able to check who's online without starting up VRChat
Are all people who crash players who they percieve as cheaters basically full of shit? I get accused & threatened by them constantly.
Any crasher is mentally unstable imo
Even if its a revenge crasher (or claims that they are and threaten) you just report them 
4chan trolls at its finest
uninstall windows 
Deleting system32 
Oh hell, they are in the mainframe. RUN!
Yo anyone knows how i can play desktop music and also use my mic at the same time?
the worst they can do is crash your game or sign you out of the game
@ornate pond try playing music from your phone.
the quality becomes distorted
virtual audio cables
really?
Banana or normal does not matter
well to start, if you want to play music, you need a music player that allows you to choose the output device
The normal one is less confusing for newbies
there are chrome extensions that let you choose the output device if you want to play music from videos
Looking for people to RP dm me in discord
You might wanna look up a Rp discord. I'm sure there is one
Is it possible to turn off the blue highlight and draw line for interactable objects?
Isn't there a menu setting 
That's only the text indicating what the interactable does
not the highlight itself
Am I the only one that finds it stupidly hilarious how people will charge as well as agree to paying even a single cent, let alone the $10-30 they actually charge just for a basic MMD model import?
It doesnβt deserve a single cent?
It does
Then do it for others forever free
Sure.
Iβd do it just to spite the people charging money over such a stupid simple thing lol
It's not stupid and absolutely legitimate to ask for a compensation for the time invested
Hooray you can click a few buttons to decimate and autofix 99% of models then literally just do a few steps any macro can autocomplete for you
Nobody pressures you to buy it
It is stupid when it is incredibly easy
No
Technical services :>
It takes time
Ah yes the technical services that literally anyone can do within 5-10m max
No matter how easy it might be
I forgot how incredibly important and valuable that is
Depends ij the quality Faktor
A really nice manual decimation can take an hour plus making an atlas
No, it really doesnβt
The longest decimation for a 120k+ model took 15m and still kept it looking nice
Atlas is effectively autopilot automatic once you just learn how the concept itself works, ie, a quick read over it
Iβm not using decimate modifier lmao
Clearly thatβs not manual
Stille takes 30-60 making it ready for unity and exporting the unity file
no, it really doesnβt again
import VRCSDK, import Cubed shaders or whatever other they use
45s for import max
unless you have a trash computer
drag and drop mats
drag and drop fbx
add avatar descriptor and assign humanoid
brief 5s check to make sure nothing like hair is assigned to mouth and rigging is otherwise correct
set height/position of avatar descriptor (for your viewpoint)
upload
done
The entire process takes barely 5 minutes outside of decimation which is at most 10-15
@ruby needle i was looking for some discord servers didnt find any
Again. So what you think
If it takes you longer than that, donβt bother using that model cause itβs gonna look bad anyways with decimation to 20k, or you need to get better at dec
Let others do what they do
meh
I mean, Iβm just calling it blatantly stupid for charging anywhere near that $10-30 people charge over a nearly entirely autopilot brainless rinse and repeat procedure anyone could do within 5m
Iβm fine with and respect people charging for actual meaningful creation like custom shaders or animations from scratch, so on and so forth
This is worthless to be charging over though, and if anything, you could just tell them how to do it so they can do it themselves in 5m flat
you sure are getting heated about what other people do with their money
at the end of the day it's their money and they are free to spend it however they so choose
^
That knowledge took time to gain
everything seems easier when you've been doing it a while
Also another hilarious thing I see is on a lot of forums, most of them say they will only upload it without giving the project files. It makes sense because that has resources like Dynamic Bones which make them their money for instance, but 99% of the people charging for it havenβt bought it legally either. So itβs not like they have any right to be acting like that when they literally ask for your password to protect their own ripped resources.
I started off with just importing an MMD model when I first started VRChat
The very first time when I had near no experience with Blender and none with Unity whatsoever
Took a maximum of around 15-20m
read a few things
checked a video
and that was it
your time estimates assume nothing goes wrong
I mean
Itβs hard for something to go wrong when the procedure is almost entirely spoonfed
idk
some of these mmd's have shit rigs that need to be fixed before they will work in vrchat
- Download MMD model
- Assuming the creator isnβt trash at it and itβs a finished model, rigging and weight and whatnot are all fine.
- Open Blender, import PMX/PMD with CATS.
- Click βFix Model.β
- If you want eye visemes or mouth, just click on the buttons for those. Done.
- Export as FBX.
Thatβs the entirety of Blender side.
Entirety of unity side is just
a complete noob won't know that
why do you care so much what random people you dont even know do with their money ?
- Import VRCSDK, shader (cubed for example), and textures.
- Drag FBX in.
- Add avatar_descriptor and set viewpoint and humanoid. Assign visemes if wanted.
- Upload.
lol that's what I said Svelsien
I mean
does it bother you that much when you see somebody that got his model uploaded for him in-game ?
Yes people donβt know it off the start, thatβs a given
But itβs effortless to learn
He's salty cause he doesn't get to do comissions 
some people dont want to learn or take the little time needed to do it
You forget people are lazy
if they have the money and they can pay someone else to do it, why not ?
Also some just flat out cannot learn such things
you gotta do what i did
If youβre willing to pay $10-30 over not doing 10 steps that takes barely 5m, that level of laziness is just pathetic honestly.
and get the NASTIEST flu that kills your voice and body like i did in december
then let them be pathetic
and all you can do is this
people can do whatever they want
all you can do is make avatars when you're not trying to lay down and die
that was me
if they want to be lazy and give money, that's their own business
it was glorious
I mean thatβs why I literally just said I found it hilarious at first. Sure people can do what they want and be lazy idiots, itβs just funny to see it.
The only reason Iβm even bothering explaining is cause one of the randoms here asked why I think the way I do.
Hence the explanation.
also by now i've made a few hundo rigging something for people when they coulda done it themselves but nah they too lazy
WORKS FOR ME
Money isnβt an issue for me, I donβt /need/ to do βcommissionsβ for just a simple import. Hence why I said I was considering just doing it for free on one of the VRChat forums or wherever people post their model-for-money threads.
maybe
i mean i did get like three of them on my discord so i could walk them through shit
then go for it
with my sultry big black man voice
nobody is preventing you to do it

Anyone knows any RP discord server
also some people are so mean
lol
VRCat is the main one I know of, I guess Iβll do it there.
Its the rp guy again
this one dude was all happy i made him a bowser jr avatar properly and then he didnt pay me
fuck dat guy
WHATEVER
I can understand how making your own model can be overwhelming
Half n half
or half first and then the rest when it's done
that guy in particular kept telling me he was gonna pay me and that i did a fine job and he kept buttering me up for it
this shit is why women don't wanna send you nudes, you guys, it's like the same ass thing
xd
even after spending over a total of 45 hours just working on models
YA'LL DONT PAY UP
I still don't have half the grasp on the fun stuff
Itβs βoverwhelmingβ until you realize itβs 10 steps and itβs not that hard to install the CATS plugin.
anyway it was like 20 minutes so i didnt care
Yeah..
Hence why Iβd rather just more people know it instead of wasting money they could use on something else
but then again, it takes effort
Sure if theyβre lazy and have money they can waste it on this
10 dollars is nothing to some people
that's only if you do MMD's though heikourin
Thatβs the thing
Not sure what you mean by that
it's not wasted money if they get something they want for it
Unless you mean like
just imagine someone with a day job, minimum wage, still better than spending all those hours working on making your own model
Game rips
That's a really weird way to think about it. You could also say "why do you buy t-shirt, you can literally sew one for yourself ? Sewing isn't complicated"
in your point of view it's wasted, in their point of view it a cheap way of getting something they wanted without doing anything
I mean if you have a day job and minimum wage, a VRChat model probably isnβt your biggest concern money-wise
then it's pointless
that's one option. MMD isn't the only avatar format, even though it is the most widely used
it's when i see dudes in particular send a girl like 5000 dollars on a girl that doesnt get naked, on myfreecams
Roasted by ruuubick
because if all you want is a set of skin with some dynamic bones it's not worth it
Sewing a shirt requires money for material as well as the machine and a constant supply of the material
So thatβs a terrible analogy, but okay
Also it takes a lot more effort to make anything that looks decent and time to get better than it does for this
also to follow what ruuuubick said and refering to what you said earlier : why pay for a shader when you can learn to do it yourself ? or learn to make particle system and create animations ?
time is money, these 10 steps you keep mentioning might take hours for a random person to complete/understand.
So lets just say someone charges 30USD for a good model with a set of animations, I'd say it's actually worth
Because those are a lot more complex and learning those is an actual meaningful specialization skill?
Some brake 1 model and give up
so if something isnt complex then it doesnt deserve money for doing it ?
They just lack the dedication
Drink the rain 4head

it's literally free and everywhere 
I feel like youβre gonna bring up menial labor as a point, to which I say that those jobs are actually necessary to the larger whole and so someone has to do it.
Stop thinking about the complexity of the task and start thinking about the time of whoever is making the model. My time is valuable, and if someone want's me to perform a task I'm going to be compensated for my time.
VRChat models are just a random fun way to mess around and can be done yourself in a few minutes.
You underestimate and overestimate people at the same time. Some people can't, some people don't want to.
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Yeah, I don't understand why you gotta insult people to charge for this
he is talking about the really basic stuff that CATS do for you and people are paying for somebody else to do it
Iβm talking about just raw importing MMD model to Unity with bare minimum effort (read: max of some decimation, eye and mouth visemes)
yay let's deraille it to an IP perspective :D, selling your time is ok, but what about selling someone else model? hum?
People might want a perfect model that resembles their OC or other things, hello?
we are talking about auto decimate under 20k, auto viseme, auto eye tracking, auto atlas, export and upload
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I mean, I wouldn't mind doing it for free for someone who just wants a nice model and a piece of accessory or something added, but stuff like custom clothing, a set of custom animations, and particle effects and animations on weapons or items and we'd be talking money
Oh boi
Iβm not talking about anything that actually takes any meaningful time or effort like OC stuff or custom shaders/animations/etc
And thatβs the same for me as well, Acc
Tupper's tutorial is 2 hours long, and it's assuming everything goes perfectly, and also assuming the person isn't too computer illiterate.
Thatβs what Iβm talking about
Yes, a basic MMD import boils down to just clicking a few buttons, but if people want to pay someone to do that for them.... why do you even care? I agree it's kinda dumb but why rant about it?
tupperβs tutorial is 2 hours long because itβs him slowly walking through every step with other things like dynamic bones as well added and him talking and showing it
Honestly, unless you got ripped off or something, I don't understand why you're sticking your nose into this
it takes like 15 seconds or something to read 10 steps
Iβm just finding it nonsensical
slowly because it's necessary, otherwise he'd speed up through
WRYYYY 
you don't seem to understand that some people have a hard time with this
I was curious whether there was any sort of forum thing for VRChat community, found VRCat, and found people charging for this stuff
And just found it weird
some people are really that lazy my dude.
People buy already sliced pineapple, why does it matter ?
but if i can export a model for someone and he want to pay me 5 bucks for it, why not ?
that's a really weird argument to be made imo, people want to pay for that stuff, if they don't want to pay, they'll learn
Hm
I've tried to walk people through it step by step before and gotten the whole "but I suck with computers, why can't you just do it for me?" response. People will pay for literally anything if it saves them time and/or adds convenience
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people are unwilling to learn if they can just pay a few bucks for somebody else to do it
Iβll probably make a thread in VRCat or whatever itβs called in shops offering to do it for free, but posting a simple tutorial at the top of the thread as well. IE, if someone sees the tutorial and decides theyβd rather do it themself, they can. If not, Iβll do it anyways.
Or maybe Iβd charge a dollar or something just to see how many people actually would take that
a lot.
You'd be overwhelmed
so many
Because afaik thatβd be the lowest price atm on the site
you wouldn't be able to keep up
Meh, Iβm bored and have nothing to do
I can just set up an automatic keyboard macro too probably once I get down the exact movements/clicks
one for Blender side and one for Unity side
depends on how elaborate the request is
Iβm not gonna bother doing complicated stuff in the shop since Iβd charge money for it but itβd also take more time and effort
beyond basic mmd imports would be outside of the scope of his services though
I mean I can do it, but thatβs not the point of the shop Iβd make
cool a free freelance :D, i charge between $1000 and $2000 for a model made from scratch =D, so @gusty adder i'll send you the work, you send me the model back and i take the money, fair?
My current skills are re-texturing, dynamic bones, adding accessories, manual decimation, vmd animations, adding sound to animations, and that's about it
The point would just be for decimation, eye and mouth visemes, probably.
I never bothered adding anything hand-held since I don't have VR
Not sure what you mean @thorny totem
I personally wouldn't pay someone to just port the model
oh and visemes and eyes animation, since those are ez
And I wouldn't charge anyone for that myself either
Thatβs my point, Rokk
I'll send you a 200k poly model
You can't really ask money for something literally anyone can do
Thatβs what people kept disagreeing with, which it being laziness is a fair point
But other than laziness
lol
Asking for money over it is stupid and scummy imo, if you donβt at least just put how to do it yourself in the same shop so people who ask anyways would be the lazy ones rather than just the ignorant ones
@gusty adder you work for free right? i send you some work to do, you get it back to me, then i'll sell it ;)
I agree with porting a model, but your last sentence is beyond retarded
I mean, good job at completely twisting my words out of context to an incorrect statement altogether, @thorny totem
How so, Acc?
reee phone
I mean you could but itβs scummy because the two main audiences would be the lazy and the ignorant
In the first case it doesnβt matter
People will be lazy
But in the second case youβre just making money off people who donβt know better
When itβs blatantly easy to do
But you just take advantage of said lack of knowledge and sell it anyways /shrug
well technically it's most likely illegal
since you're profiting off software and models that do not belong to you
so on a more technical and legal standpoint, it's fucked
no
yep
but other than that, if this was perfectly legal, I'd say it's fine
you're paying for the service of converting it, not the model
fanart is a gray area too between the artist and their IP, and the original studio and their copyright
(Eg, posters sold by artists at conventions)
I'd say fanart is totally legit
yes but without model in the first place you have no service, flawed...@lean dagger
legally, itβs a gray area and the company can probably order you to cease and desist, not that they would unless your content youβre selling is defamatory or whatnot
no, its not
Because itβs their intellectual product and copyright of the characters you are recreating through art you are still selling
The product is yours, but the material itβs based from isnβt
Hence, a gray area
That most studios ignore because they have no reason to order a C&D on
And it also gets them more spread of their media as well
there is no gray area...it's clearly defined at least in Europe.
imagine how sad the community would be without fanart
Would be pretty sad, yes
Yeah, I appreciate a lot of fanart styles more than the original too
also just seeing the variety is great too
seeing how different artists portray the same or similar thing in different ways

by the way, now that I thought of it
how do the people send money back and forth anyways
PayPal?
or is it something else
Most likely
Hmm okay
Next thing you see is him on the vrc traders discord charging Β£100 for a half customized model
me?

money call yep
Iβd appreciate if you didnβt make such a blatantly half-assed statement about me.
That's also something I had not considered
alright my dudes, y'all made your points, just agree to disagree and move on 
You're charging someone to take someone else's intellectual property or work
And then basically sell it to you
Yep
It's one thing to commission a custom 3D model and pay them to port it for you as part of the price
99.9% of the models for MMD, the creators donβt want you using it in VRChat, and they say so EXPLICITLY.
Also Iβm sure almost every single model creator wouldnβt be happy with you making money off their product
Also, "I don't charge for porting models" does not mean "Give me any model and I will port it for you right now"
Moreso when youβre gaining money for importing it to VRChat too
Which they specifically said they didnβt want their models in
Also yeah Iβm not gonna finish it in 30s for every request
Itβd work the same as any other shop
Check back tomorrow-few days depending on backlog
and I feel like thatβs perfectly reasonable
given, I wouldnβt need as much time to do each, but Iβd also probably have a lot more backlog and requests than the usual shop
Oh right, on a fairly unrelated note to this money thing
One of the model makers for an anime series called Made in Abyss (mameru/mame-san) was trying to stop people from using his models on VRChat.
People kept leaking it regardless of what he did
And he went ahead and made it a basically near completely closed community
As well as contacting VRChat devs
Where they explicitly told him that anyone caught with it (one of his models) will have their model removed from their account
And repeat infractions will be a ban from VRChat
Thought that was pretty nice news to hear
he just need to report it and they have to shut it down, as soon as the proof of ownership is given simple as that
Yep
Itβs just nice to see, because heβs one of the model makers I hang out with somewhat often
And Iβm not sure if others have done the same
I know others made their community a lot harder to get in and basically impossible for the people thatβd leak it
But not of whether they contacted VRChat devs
@gusty adder source for that ?
i'm just curious to see the whole story in more details
i never heard anyone getting a "made in abyss" model remvoed from his account and i see a lot of them all the time
Basically at first, he did the usual of allowing anyone to download it with the password being on the video page. It got leaked constantly, so he made a new password and a community, but all it took to get in was saying you were a fan of Made in Abyss.
So now his new community requires fluent Japanese as well as showing a Twitter or Nico account that isnβt brand new and has several created MMD videos
To prove youβd be using it for MMD

It was super recently
I think yesterday or day before yesterday
Also, itβd still need to be reported and/or caught
which is why probably no oneβs made a ruckus so far
reee
can't find it atm, but I definitely saw it earlier
Hol long does it take for me to gain access to avatar upload
I'll check in with one of my other friends who was talking with mame
and post it once they're awake/reply to me @vocal shard
Hol long does it take for me to gain access to avatar upload???
check the FAQ
Get this man a pasta
Ping his ass
@thorny totem I can't find anything about it there
have a look on the vrchat website ;)
Basically, yes
HI π
i looking for someone who do animation comission
i need some dance animation for my avatar
i paid with paypal
Is there some specific dance you have in mind that already exists?
Or just a dance in general?
one ya
eg, a completely original dance vs say, BTS
do you have a link to the video/source the dance is in?
i want the get dance meme and a sexy danc who existe in a pack
You might want to ask in VRC Traders discord in #community-servers-old as they deal exclusively with VRchat commissions if you can't find help here
i want put it in my custome avatar π
I don't know either of those, but do you have a video with the dance in it for example?
So someone could see what it looks like?
If there's a pre-existing MMD motion file, you could just ask the person to adapt it to an animation
saves time for both you and them
I meant
did you get it from like some online video site
like YouTube or whatever
and if so, can you post the video link itself
ho for the sexy dance i dot have yt vidoe but for the get down meme ya
can you post the video for the second then?
hmm it's gdam
the .anim exist for both, you don't have to do it from scratch, get the .anim and heikou will do it for you free of charge :D
XD
i'm not stuck :) just a reminder
i juste love the derp way
and for my sexy danc it's thta
i have actualy a ''time ''probleme
I was asking for the video so I could see what the dance was, and if it was an existing one, I could link him to a site with the source MMD motion, unless there's a publicly shared VRChat-made anim already as well. In the case of there being only a motion and no shared anim, it would save him a lot of time with the one he's doing the commission with, since it's a lot easier to adapt anims than create from scratch.
okay
oh
hm
there's already a publicly shared dance in animation format for the get down one, roo
messaged you it
yes as i said they both exist
extract it from youtube, i mean get the mp3 format
heikou will help you :)
Do you want to learn yourself or do you want someone to do it for you in return for money?
If you want to learn, it'll take some time, but it's free, and once you know how, you can do it for everything
Just curious, so I know which route to take.
for now i want someone who can do the animation work for me and i give him money for π
i want learning but thta take time and also english are not my first languange so that make the learning way more complex and hard
depends on what kind of animations you want on your avatar

and my sexy dance
im canadian XD
no no no he said he'll make it free of charge =D
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