You need to decimate the mesh in order to optimize them properly
#vrchat-general-2
floral aspen
yeah, complex meshes don't play well with cloth
median basalt
Cloth isn't any better for performance
Especially because it's a separate mesh
Just merge weights on your dynamic bones. Learn how colliders work so you know which bones to merge.
quiet prawn
Colliders suck.
median basalt
Set a radius on your dynamic bones. White spheres will collide with the yellow sphere colliders. Merge the bones you need that won't be touching the colliders anyway
Only way to prevent skirt clipping entirely is weight painting.
A friend of mine had a perfect solution where the skirt was 50% weight painted to the legs but still had dynamic bones
quiet prawn
Or reparenting.
true timber
weight painting is a tool created by satanists to inflict as much agony as possible on those who attempt to use it.
shy nest
weight painting is easy just paint everything on every bone to red :^))))))))
quiet prawn
i didn't bother repainting the bones, but rather reparented them from the hips to the legs.
umbral reef
i spend 3 hours on a single tris because it was not painted at my hair...
In the end i just disabled small parts unless it could not find it anymore and just removed it :lul: fuck painting it
median basalt
I had a skirt where Blender's automatic weights did a perfect job
shy nest
that shit annoys me to no end, was trying to fix up a model for a friend and i couldnt paint this one damn part
median basalt
Just had to manually fix up the hips
languid beacon
i would love to atlas my avatar if cats did not refuse and instead produce a blank white image
true timber
are you trying to auto atlas?
languid beacon
I don't know of any other way
quiet prawn
If I wanted to fully atlas my model I'd have to fix the normals on my skirt and armbands...
shy nest
ngl ive had way better results from the auto atlas than doing it myself
median basalt
@languid beacon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cSesu_zkQQ
Automatic atlasing sucks
Manual atlasing takes literally 10 minutes
Or even less for non-detailed models
quiet prawn
Although that would only save one material, so... meh
languid beacon
my avatar is weird and reuses the same texture on multiple materials, one as opqauge, and another as cutout
true timber
Yeah, atlassing your first time might be a bit rough to get the hang of it, but once you know how to do it it's insanely simple
median basalt
Doesn't matter @languid beacon
true timber
and yeah auto atlassing will usually make your avatar look like shit
median basalt
You can just set all of it to cutout. If parts get cut out that you don't want, blank out those parts.
The thing about texture atlasing is that you're actually laying out every single vertice of your avatar over your atlas.
So even if two parts of your model use the same part of the same texture, they'll have different parts on the atlas.
So you can fix up one part without affecting another
Such as, say, flattening transparency on one part so it's not transparent
shy nest
you guys must be doing something wrong because auto atlas works perfect for me
median basalt
No, auto atlas just sucks. I can show you some examples if you like.
The outcome is always either a blurry mess, or just outright broken parts. Had broken eye issues
languid beacon
i can't set it all to cutout, i reuse the same texture space relying on opague to discard the transparency and show what is normally hidden, nakes it easybto do base flat hair and hair fluff in the same material
true timber
If you compare your avatar to how it looks before the auto atlas and how it looks after, I guarantee you'll see the quality is nowhere near as good
shy nest
christ you're dense
just because you have those problems doesnt mean its absolute dogshit
median basalt
If automatic atlasing makes my avatar look bad no matter the settings used, then it is bad.
true timber
well it is absolute dogshit when compared to a manual atlas
median basalt
It might be fine for some models
shy nest
bad for you maybe
median basalt
But if it doesn't work, it just doesn't work
true timber
if you have bad looking textures to begin with then yeah, it'll probably be fine
languid beacon
sorry i don't know a lot about 3D modeling i'm new to this
median basalt
The person pressing the button does not affect the outcome
true timber
but if your textures dont look garbage to begin with, auto atlassing will make them that way
median basalt
Auto atlasing works on some models and does not on others. I can show you some comparisons if you like.
shy nest
apparently it does if you're look like shit and mine come out fine
i could give less of a shit about your comparisons
median basalt
Because you're using different models.
"It works for me so everyone else is stooopid :^)))"
true timber
hell you can just watch tupper's video that was just linked
ruby needle
manual atlasing remains op
true timber
he does an auto atlas just to show
median basalt
Yep
true timber
and it looks noticeably worse
median basalt
Even Tupper's video shows that it looks blurry and bad
true timber
manual atlassing takes like 10mins anyway
median basalt
And has some transparency issues too
I have never had any issues with manual atlasing
true timber
if your textures are already low res/blurry to begin with, auto atlassing will be fine
shy nest
well last time I did a manual atlas (followed an up to date tutorial) it came out looking like shit
shy nest
followed to the letter
ruby needle
manual atlasing if you unwrap everything correctly is 100% clean
true timber
Did you make the high-quality parts of your model bigger on your atlas than other parts?
ruby needle
the best you can so it take the original textures and put them side by side in a image program and then unwrap your meshes over that example image
shy nest
I said I followed it to the letter, so of course I did
languid beacon
i use normalmaps to make the 20K limit not look terrible but atlas makes them look terrible anyway
shy nest
either way, different stroke for different folks I guess. Wouldn't have entered this conversation you guys had a massive hard-on for manual with zero budge room
true timber
either you set your atlas resolution too low to begin with or didn't make the detailed parts of your atlas big enough, because there's really no other reason why it would come out looking like shit.
median basalt
Quick comparison
Manual atlas:
Automatic atlas:
Wtf is this shit?!?!
This is crap
I even set the resolution of the auto atlas to 4k
As high as it can go
Absolute dogshit
true timber
manual is simply better than auto in every single way
it's not really even debateable
ruby needle
depends
true timber
no, it doesn't depend, it's just better.
ruby needle
no
languid beacon
guide for manual atlas please?
quiet prawn
Also, how many materials are you combining in that instance?
true timber
ruby needle
manual leaves room for human error, a perfect routine would not make errors
tho... try developeing it 
languid beacon
i have like 20 materials i need to fuse
ruby needle
easy
true timber
post a picture of your material list
you might have a lot of materials that are the same
ruby needle
cat's biggest issue is the unwrapping
languid beacon
can you atlas normal and diffuse together
ruby needle
but that is because of the blender functions they use
true timber
well yeah, obviously if you screw up the manual atlassing it can look worse than the auto
but if you do it right
it's better every single time
ruby needle
not if auto atalasing would have a good routine
median basalt
I've been trying to make a good automatic atlasing tool that would just tile and stitch the textures together
true timber
@languid beacon pretty much everything can be atlassed
ruby needle
exacty thats what i want Rokk!
median basalt
Would result in wasted padding to make it fit a power of two but it would be so much better than any other auto atlas tool
Wonder why nobody made one yet
Python isn't my strong point
ruby needle
i think they tried
if you know a bit you might want to get in touch with @ocean bramble
median basalt
I already suggested it on there once
ruby needle
i also suggested but making it seems to be the problem
median basalt
I'm sure that once I actually make this, I can get it merged
Just need imagemagick to tile the textures
Which isn't easy
I just want a goddamn tilemap but magick makes it so hard
ruby needle
tile by using the original UV Map's
true timber
the issue is that the auto atlas doesn't know which parts should be made more detailed than others
ruby needle
then use blenders bake
@true timber no
the issue is that auto alas unwrapps stupidly
and teaers meshes apart
which causes issues
median basalt
Yeah, auto atlas has very stupid unwraps. Can show you what my generated atlas looks like
true timber
yeah, exactly, it unwraps stupidly because it doesn't know which parts should be more detailed
ruby needle
no
it cuts meshes apart by an angle
and you cant turn it off
thus it makes complete meshes into split meshes
median basalt
This is the automatic atlas that was generated by CATS in the earlier model I posted
ruby needle
if it would just reorder and size the meshes all would be good
median basalt
This is insanity
ruby needle
yep
median basalt
It's so much worse than I thought it would be
true timber
how would it know which textures to prioritize though aside from resolution size?
median basalt
For reference, here's my manual atlas
ruby needle
it can look at it original size
and optimaly keep it
having a 8k atals would still be a crap ton better
then 20 textures
and materials
median basalt
@true timber resolution is a good one, but also keep in mind how important a part of the avatar is
You'll notice that in this atlas, I actually only atlased the body, not the face or eyes
I manually remapped those later
true timber
that's a lotta blank space
median basalt
100% lossless
Yeah I know
My later atlases are better
This is one of my first ones, could probably fit it onto 2k
Didn't want to make it needlessly large due to seams
median basalt
What I always do to determine the size of an atlas
Check the size of the original texture's resolution
Then compare that to your atlas size
A 1024x1024 texture should be taking up roughly a quarter of your 2k atlas, for example.
Since the manual atlasing process still uses the original UV's without unwrapping again
ruby needle
i atlased kinda 1:1
i puzzled together the original textures in paint.net and then unwrapped them over the original parts so they are exactly the same size.
median basalt
Yeah, that's also an option
ruby needle
thats the "i dont want to lose a single drop of quality" option
and i was still able to fit all my 18 materials of 14 textures into a 4k atlas
and my model has a lot of texture details
median basalt
The only puzzle I haven't cracked is normal maps on atlases
Without redoing them by hand
ruby needle
idea
replace the texture it is fore with the normal map
bake the atals again
take the output picture and remove everythign except the normal part
profit?
just a quick idea 
median basalt
Hmm, that could be an idea
Just gotta properly adjust it like you said, and probably set margins to 0
Gotta replace empty space with just the pink stuff
sage pewter
Lewd
quiet prawn
Pink slime
velvet totem
I just found some really cool sfm models that I want ๐
Did the server logo just change?
vocal shard
Hmn? I was on just yesterday.
quiet prawn
We just never run into each other. 
vocal shard
We'll run to each other someday
When I'm not playing PSO2
quiet prawn
cough Ship 2? cough
vocal shard
Yep yep
quiet prawn
Of course.
vocal shard
Person who invited me to play it was in ship 2 so I just joined there.
ruby needle
seems like i nailed down my "character rotates when menue is open" issue to animations
i... dont get it
vocal shard
You'll get it fixed, maybe.
ruby needle
i dont understand at all how this happens
quiet prawn
Most of the English speaking community moved to ship 2
vocal shard
Ahhh, so that's why.
Well, havin' fun playing the game so that's all that matters for now.
placid umbra
@vocal shard ๐
vocal shard
Hmn?
vocal shard
Mhm
Got an interview with a game company next week
Just got laid off from my former company today received a big cheque and a really good reference letter from the President of the company
๐
magic agate
Is anyone else having issues with Twitch streams not loading in VRChat? I'm trying to watch SGDQ in the Nintendo Plaza world but the screen stays white. I've updated and everything.
karmic bear
@echo knoll As a rule I don't think DMs handle official business through discord, email the support
ruby needle
@magic agate yes
its just white
a friend mentioned it worked for him after uninstalling VLC player
but that was not the case for me
karmic bear
How long have you waited
echo knoll
1 week
karmic bear
I think 1 week is enough to maybe email them again.
pliant roost
whats up dongos
ocean bramble
Playing bongos
ruby needle
man i was so hyped but the streams dont seem to work 
vocal shard
Hey. Just put up my first streaming room so maybe I can help.
YouTube or Twitch stream?
polar jasper
It's more that it doesn't play at all. Zarni made his world public and the twitch stream is working there
vocal shard
Also, try creating a new quad and attaching following 3 scripts to it:
- VRC_SyncVideoStream, VRC_VideoScreen, and VRC_VideoSpeaker
polar jasper
but some people have problems with it
vocal shard
Very important to drag the quad in heirarchy into the VRC_VideoScreen and VRC_VideoSpeaker things so you can see and hear it
At first I wasn't seeing anything and did that and it worked
ruby needle
twitch stream stays white for me
it works for a friend in the same world
but he said he had to uninstall vlc for it to work
polar jasper
Do you have codecs installed?
ruby needle
i did the same but it says white
polar jasper
I have VLC installed and it works fine
vocal shard
If you go into the saltybet room I put up are you able to see something?
ruby needle
i will go there to check for oyu
quiet prawn
Saltybet is online. We're boned.
vocal shard
Btw if you aren't seeing anything still, you'll need to email support@vrchat.com your logs
ruby needle
nope
nothing happening
i do get the initial lag
on all the maps (nitendo one, the noe sgdq one, and this one)
but nothing displays
vocal shard
hmm very strange. Definitely send those logs to support@vrchat.com and we'll look into why for you it's not showing anything.
If you come across anyone else who has the problem tell them to send logs as well
ruby needle
ill restart to give you a clean log and i will go to all 3 worlds
vocal shard
thnx
quiet prawn
watch it work this time.
vocal shard
Hi all ๐
ruby needle
@vocal shard send, if you want to check it out
vocal shard
Thanks. I don't handle support but I told them to keep an eye out
ruby needle
allright
i'll just to make sure run trough the normal support steps again and see if that helps
but i doubt it ๐
latent falcon
ruby needle
jup, can confirm another complete clear did not fix
polar jasper
Does twitch in the browser work?
Just someone here that said someone had that problem where it wouldn't work in game or in the browser
vocal shard
hmmm
karmic bear
Oh boy. 12 minutes to explain why a UI Scratch interface isn't going to be utter ass. [Gets comfy]
candid hare
I asked this yesterday, but can a moderator or admin please DM me
covert chasm
@candid hare Sorry, we don't handle VRChat-related stuff in Discord DMs as a matter of policy. You need to contact hello@vrchat.com if you have any questions, or moderation@vrchat.com if your question is related to a moderation action.
latent sorrel
candid hare
If I need to report someone do i send it to moderation@vrchat.com?
covert chasm
Yes
@latent sorrel Check out #vrchat-support and shoot us an email at support@vrchat.com if the steps don't help you out.
echo knoll
Im just curious
how there going to ban me and then tell me they have overwhelming prove then i ask can i see then never respond back
Because a lot of people know me and got really mad when i get banned
ripe rivet
Sorry who are you
polar jasper
You know the node graph name is going to be a meme eventually Tupper ^^
ripe rivet
cool
covert chasm
@echo knoll Discussion of bans on the Discord isn't permitted-- you've got to go through the email. Anything they give you is final.
karmic bear
God dammit. The update on node graph was "It's called UDON" and "Here's some stuff that was made without UDON"
ripe rivet
Is vrchat only on pc?
covert chasm
You'll get more quite soon, don't worry ๐
covert chasm
@ripe rivet At this time, yes, VRChat is only supported on Windows PCs
ripe rivet
Will it be made on other things such as playstation? or anything that has vr?
covert chasm
No plans at this time, but who knows!
ripe rivet
It would be nice to see it on other things
it will grow the community
and would just be cool tbh
polar jasper
Why would it?
distant breach
Never mind, please disregard that message.
ripe rivet
lol
polar jasper
No, don't drop the ball and leave ๐
distant breach
I just get the feeling that there would be a lack of user-created content on a PS4 release because of having to go through extra checks and such, I feel that it wouldn't be as open-ended as the current PC version.
polar jasper
Wouldn't really be limited if they were given a world creation tool in the game
And if Sony ever decide to allow cross play then it wouldn't be lacking at all
kind folio
with the amount of "things" that go on in vrc
i doubt its going on something like ps or xbox anytime soon
vocal shard
I got a month for making an anti-crash
kind folio
That happens shadow
vocal shard
Even though the devs can't protect me
kind folio
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vocal shard
Their developer update means nothing if i'm at risk of being gpu crashed
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
kind folio
my opinion on that kinda stuff. : its a free game, you signed up for it. i just stick in friend worlds and nothin happens.
if you go into a public, just dont be surprised
lol
karmic bear
Hey @covert chasm, if you're still loitering, is Lost Viking still planning some sort of AMA to address concerns about the direction of content creation?
covert chasm
Hmm, dunno about an AMA, but I imagine we could have something like twitter submitted questions or etc. I'll pass up the idea.
Also, what concerns in particular?
kind folio
an ama would be hella cool
covert chasm
I could probably answer some of them pretty easily here.
karmic bear
It was something he mentioned when Node Graph was initially announced, I was wondering if he'd given it any more thought
covert chasm
Maybe. He's a busy guy ๐
dense orchid
Why did ya'll start mimicking how Unity's been naming their current versions anyway? Seems like it'd be rather confusing since VRC itself is on 5.6, but with having the matching version names, makes it seem like it's on the most recent unity branch
polar jasper
Maybe it's a hint that VRChat will be updated to Unity 2018.4 when it's out
kind folio
I doubt this lol
karmic bear
Despite repeated of reassurances of "It's gong to be super great guys wait and see" I've got to ask how a graphical coding system will make for a good scalable Dev system and buck the trend of... every graphical coding system ever invented ever in the history of computing since punch cards.
polar jasper
2018.4 is the LTS version anyway
kind folio
Also I'm very curious in the AMA about what went wrong specifically with playmaker, other than control issues. What were known issues, and why would this custom system be better?
jc
covert chasm
@karmic bear It isn't meant specifically and only for advanced users. A creation kit/tool like Udon has to be accessible for everyone, from beginner up to advanced. Just because Udon exists doesn't mean more advanced solutions might not also exist in the future.
quiet prawn
To be fair, 2018.4 is the most logical choice of they feel they're ready for the update. However complete overhauls like that can't come often. Due to the amount of work involved.
kind folio
I kinda wanna try new unity versions to see how different it is
covert chasm
@kind folio We cover it pretty simply in the Blog post. Basically, it wasn't enough. Udon is already more powerful than Playmaker was in regards to interacting with VRChat.
kind folio
gotcha
karmic bear
So in lieu of new interactive experiences we're going to get a dozen worlds with "press button to spam meme" devices.
covert chasm
I mean, if you want to limit yourself to three nodes, sure.
polar jasper
That is true @quiet prawn but it will come eventually. Too much good there to pass it on for a outdated version that will lose support soon
dense orchid
I heard some tall tales that there was some similiar security concerns cropping up in playmaker that left plain coding locked up from the days before
kind folio
Will npc-esque systems be of possibility with Udon?
shy nest
wait UDON, has the vrchat staff embraced the weebness of vrchat as a whole? 
covert chasm
Considering what users have already done with the existing Trigger systems and utilizing stuff like the Mecanim State machines, I have no doubt that users will blow it wide open with crazy stuff
@kind folio In combination with already-available things in the Unity standard toolkit, I don't see why not.
kind folio
Looking forward to that
Making a horror map with genuine see/follow/damage style of npcs will be super fun.
covert chasm
I don't like those 
karmic bear
Yeah but they've done that despite the system not because of it. You can't claim credit for things users have created by circumventing your systems. The only outcome I can see from this is an explosion of clunky worlds using the same free assets , deafening noisemakers, everybody staying in the pug and an exponential increase to whatever poor intern you have vetting worlds for public access.
covert chasm
I'm a wimp
dense orchid
@polar jasper Honestly, another system purge. while terribly inconvient, would probably be good for the game to flush out who knows what that was left behind and abandoned during the knuckle era
covert chasm
@karmic bear I'm looking forward to the Open Beta so we can start to see what happens when we let a toolkit like this out into the wild. I'd hold opinions on slopes as slippery as that until then. ๐
kind folio
Open beta yes pls
covert chasm
dense orchid
That's what happen when the change to 5.6 came around, we all had to reupload everything
kind folio
๐
Going to have limits on the open beta similar to the upload system you implemented? I think it might be a good idea honestly, not sure how you could limit it though.
polar jasper
Which isn't a bad thing. I do feel sorry for those that paid for commissions and never got the unity package. But their own mistake there.
karmic bear
World Rejected - Reason: World has fake avatar pedestals that teleports you into a box with a U R GAY LOL texture on all walls, alters users default spawn point so they are constantly falling and cannot access their menu to leave map.
boy I am psyched for a tidal wave of rooms like that
polar jasper
Perfect
dense orchid
Are you one of the poor interns vetting rooms? :v
shy nest
do you enjoy anything in your life kross? seems like you only care about the bad in things
kind folio
Its only part of making / testing a new system. You NEED to look at the negatives, so you can prevent those negatives from happening ๐
@shy nest
shy nest
yeah but thing is, he's been ragging on that the entire system is negative
karmic bear
On the contrary DeeJay. I want amazing things for VRChat.
I don't think the system is a negative at all
karmic bear
I am worried the system is going to be a wasted opportunity
kind folio
And its your right to worry about a game you care about. Nothing wrong with that, is there @shy nest
shy nest
seems less like worry and more that its not in a coding language they want/are proficient in, that's been what im getting from his messages anyway
kind folio
..
You do realize
The whole point of this node system they are making is that so you dont have to be proficient in any coding language
Same thing with playmaker
Someone who has no experience with any coding, could study it for a day and know all the basics, and learn extremely fast.
dense orchid
Well not everyone wants, or has the time to devote themselves to pure coding
shy nest
I know, I'm personally excited for it so I can learn it myself with no coding knowledge but I've just seen people rag on about how node systems are shit because they're "too easy" or "bad"
kind folio
Deejay
we dont know that theyre bad or too easy
Those are worries for that they MIGHT be
dense orchid
Some of us lean more on the artsy fartsy side of world creating, so this visual coding stuff comes handy for the likes of us so our own places aren't just dull lifeless backdrops
karmic bear
I am worried it will either be so gimped that it will result in a system right now where creativity comes from the ability to hack/circumvent the system not their ability to create, or that it will be so clunky that creating anything more than the most basic logic systems will be arduous and drive advanced creators away and leave a vacumn for people to create the same screaming particle spammer which results in the node graph becoming another unused thing that goes to waste.
dense orchid
Have ya watched the update video where they show off the things people have made with it so far?
shy nest
gonna jump off topic for a sec but does anyone know if the piano simulation rooms piano uses the same key layout as virtual piano?
keen mesa
it's gonna be fun when people create terribly bad optimized (((visual scripts))) and the world executes it
karmic bear
@dense orchid You mean the video with stuff they made with the current stuff before node graph was released?
dense orchid
I'd wager the addition of node probably helped to make those easier and less buggy and clunky, even if some might of just been recreating what they did when it was playmaker
Probably work better to v:
rose timber
@karmic bear Learn https://vvvv.org then come back and pooh pooh graphical programming systems. I know VVVV as well as a few others and I disagree about the power of them.
karmic bear
The flight map was made months ago, the Piano map I'd say over a month ago, before any of the new triggers, while playmaker was still in the most closed beta ever and before node graph was even announced
dense orchid
So would you rather us stick to the clunky convulate trigger system wizardy that a small handful of peeps are able to do anything with? Since obviously something else isn't needed if they were able to already do em before
dense orchid
Was saying that to the kross fellow
kind folio
ik
karmic bear
They can do them but they do it by working around VRChat instead of working with it
Just give us a sandboxes C# API or something
And @rose timber I'm open minded I'm reading through the docs now but a hello world that looks like this does not inspire confidence
dense orchid
And the node system probably allowed them the chance to not have to have a million work arounds and trigger systems in recreating them
vocal shard
Hey guys
dense orchid
I'd be curious to see a comparrison pick of those jetpack stuff of the before & after of triggers to nodes
rose timber
@karmic bear show me your pure c++, c, c# Hello World implementation that renders into a variable size texture or bitmap, directx9 or 11, with a full 3d transform and lighting. It will not be as impressive as what you linked.
karmic bear
So as opposed to a logic engine to feed variable data to and from unity within a safe sandboxed setting, it's more going to bridge the logic and rendering systems like Siamese twins joined at the face.
vocal shard
hey there fellow beta tester
karmic bear
@rose timber what is VRChat written in?
keen mesa
C#
karmic bear
not vvvv?
karmic bear
No, tupper just screams at a hard drive in binary
rose timber
I'd write it in VVVV if they'd let me.
karmic bear
Not using RPGMaker2000
lilac swan
Not using TheGamesFactory
karmic bear
VrChat is actually turtledraw redrawing the screen 1400 times a second
vocal shard
Why use turtledraw when you can use a paint?
karmic bear
Just changing the color of a single pixel millions of times a second and using the hex values as memory references
vocal shard
yo can i ascend beta tester level is i put together my own CPU from calculator parts
true timber
do beta testers also test lovense compatibility
karmic bear
Oh shit now you're -10
vocal shard
:^)
karmic bear
you ascended
true timber
do you get a free ass plug when you sign up
cold quiver
wew
true timber
this is important beta information
karmic bear
Yes. They're called playmaker. A lot of people got fucked in the ass over that.
vocal shard
But you aren't supposed to be testing that in level 7!
true timber
gotta know how the new IK system interacts with teledildonics after all
karmic bear
And you know, I'm not even one of those people bothered about the whole playmaker thing
I just couldn't resist making that joke
rose timber
Truth be told the most important parts of VRChat are written in hand tuned 6502 Assembly.
polar jasper
feel jelly now, don't think I joined in time to be part of the beta program ^^
true timber
you feel jelly now? I guess the teledildonics work after all.
keen mesa
Kek
rose timber
Most of the c# code is there as emulation so we can run on Intel.
polar jasper
Who wouldn't want to use that @true timber
vocal shard
That's [redacted]
vocal shard
[You need a Beta Tester -10 role to view this pose]
true timber
we're laughing at you in the beta discord
vocal shard
not using temple os
I have put in good word, bote, you have un(officially) ascended
DELETE THIS
karmic bear
I want to see an avatar with the speaking in tongues prog as an override
vocal shard
IMMEDIATELY
karmic bear
Also side note @rose timber no hard feelings btw, despite everything I want to be wrong, I would fucking love to come to you guys cap in hand and be like "Shit damn was I wrong"
Everything about this UDON thing is amazing and life is basically that VR film the name of which I have already forgotten
true timber
please don't cap the developers before they've had a chance to optimize the game
vocal shard
tfw not beta testing the unity job system in 2018
rose timber
Ah, there will always be something to complain about, and complainers to do it.
vocal shard
๐ฉ
keen mesa
he doesn't know
lilac swan
Selling level 17 beta access, 7.9 BTC
keen mesa
There is no LTS version of unity 2018. Job system ETA: Never
karmic bear
Trading 14th degree master mason membership for closed beta 12 or higher
rose timber
at level 20 you get full source code (6502 Assembly)
vocal shard
If I get to level 30 can I use machine code
true timber
how deep do these levels go
quiet prawn
cough
rose timber
At level 50 you are the matrix.
lilac swan
At level X you get to know VRchat is actually an SCP
true timber
what level can I fuck my vrfu at
quiet prawn
Please do not lewd VR-Chan
karmic bear
At level 50 they teach you the secret to fire ๐ ๐ emoji's out of your hands in real life.
spare cypress
vocal shard
I wake up and move my fingers to see if im not in vr sometimes
That must be the fabled vr tester 87!
subtle prawn
I use to do that back when first started using vr ๐ฎ
mild skiff
The optional particle limiter is nice, probably the best way to approach it I think.
Should prevent the majority of crashers as well.
rustic berry
I agree
thorny totem
yes, more control is always a good thing
kind folio
at level 69 we finally realize our vr cameras are actually always being recorded and send the live footage to the vr chat team
always watching
thorny totem
Facebook/Oculus already have a copyright on that one - Tree TM
languid beacon
Yeah those Oculus sensors are full blown black and white webcams, just with drivers that make sure windows doesn't recognize them as one ๐
if you put stuff over your webcam, when you're not using it, probably put 'em over your oculus sensors too lol
thorny totem
I use an usb3 hub with a on/off button :P, i'm fine
vocal shard
anyone not be able to load into vr worlds
is there a video or guide anywhere on how to utilize the Beta of the Particle Limiter?
thorny totem
vocal shard
nvm found it
covert chasm
@vocal shard Check out #vrchat-support and send us an email with your logs if you continue to have problems.
thorny totem
Tupper you should really think of something like an automated cache purge after each updates, i think it would prevent this kind of issues
the downside would be the load on the servers, but meh amazon can handle it i guess
vocal shard
@covert chasm i cant publish avatars and ive been waiting for ever
vocal shard
so wait another month?
shy nest
you using a steam account?
vocal shard
no vr acc
shy nest
well i doubt you've been waiting a month
thorny totem
if you play 5 mins a week it'll indeed take forever, play more?
dire palm
and what have you been doing in vrchat exactly?
vocal shard
hanging out with friends and having fun
shy nest
waited a month
has 34 hours on vrchat
what
vocal shard
ive been making custom avatars for awhile now
thorny totem
34 hours Idleing will get you nowhere, just play the game, have fun, make friends etc and you'll get there
vocal shard
ive like 6-7 custom ones waiting to be uploaded into my game
vocal shard
but I want my custom avatars now lol
thorny totem
"now" is overrated :)
dire palm
nothing will happen if you just complain here everyone will just give the same answer
unless you want the pasta
indigo fern
its all about that later, amiright?
dire palm
^
indigo fern
the future is OP
thorny totem
yes n8 :D
indigo fern
these guys get it
true timber
Yeeeah I'm gonna take his side with this one, not being able to upload any avatars after an entire month is really shitty and the answer should definitely not just be "wait more"
vocal shard
I can finally play with 30 people with the particle limiter
true timber
@vocal shard Send in a support email, if you're not able to upload avatars after an entire month already that can't be working as intended
thorny totem
The team is not to blame, you had instant access before some abused the system @true timber ..., blame them instead
true timber
I blame the system if it's broken
Not allowing people to upload avatars after a month is broken
thorny totem
you're free to do so, won't change a thing in the end though
true timber
Maybe it will if he emails support
I doubt they intended for someone not to be able to upload after a month so it's probably not intentional
languid gull
tupper's avatar looks so sweaty wtf xD
modern solar
I got kicked and reported as bad bevaler when I did was only said a few words
thorny totem
what is months if you played only 34 hours? @true timber
true timber
You say only 34 hours like that's a very short amount of time
halcyon ingot
@languid gull it's a public model
thorny totem
i say it as it is, 34 hours
true timber
If the system is put in place to prevent people from abusing it (aka ban evaders), a month+ block on uploading avatars clearly hurts new players more than it does ban evaders
weary gust
thorny totem
Uploading avatars does not prevent you to enjoy the game, socialise, make friends, talk, having fun, if it does well i think you misunderstood what this game is all about, Kizzy
true timber
I think you misunderstand what the game is about, Kane. Without avatars this game is literally the same as a chatroom. The customization in VRChat is what the entire appeal of the game is.
It's why it's a game that is meant to have user-generated content
thorny totem
It's not like you can't upload at all, you can, you just have to wait for it...
true timber
How long is someone expected to wait if a month is not long enough?
floral aspen
A month is the exception not the rule. Not to mention 34 hours spread out over an entire month isnt that long.
And it's not like there aren't dozens of avatar world's with hundreds of unique custom avatars to choose from until you can upload
rustic berry
I hate to tell you, but most people are here to chat, role play, etc. Most avatars are usually not mentioned except when really well done. I upload avatars too, but mostly for stuff like animations and my favorite characters
true timber
I guarantee you people are not here because they don't care about avatars. Like I said, you may as well go on a chatroom at that point. There's a reason why VRChat became as popular as it did, and not because people saw it as just a place where you talk to your friends without any real identity attached to yourself.
floral aspen
How many chatrooms with full VR support and user created world's do you know of? Comparing VRChat to a simple chatroom is kinda ridiculous
true timber
Rec Room:?
floral aspen
Lol really? Rec room? R u srs?
thorny totem
Kizzy, taking your own case and generalizing it is not da way for sure, but yeah we could argue about that until the end of time. The point being the system is how it is for a valid reason, if you can't get over it, well too bad.
true timber
Yeah, with its whopping 200 players
Does the same thing you claim makes VRChat what it is, VR support and talking to your friends
and user created worlds
rustic berry
People make insane worlds with working guns, awesome animations, great places to talk with people is why people enjoy VRchat, they want to have fun.
true timber
You don't know if a system is how it is for a valid reason. That's like saying the first particle effect limiter was how it was for a "valid reason"
and that was given feedback and tweaked on
floral aspen
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5680 users in VRChat currently
true timber
Do you think it was their valid intention to completely screw over innocent people trying to punish just particle spammers/crashers?
Nope, so they removed it and tweaked it into what it is now
So I doubt that it's their intention now to screw over new players for over a month
hasty wedge
a month is 720 hours not 34 tho 
rustic berry
I believe it is to prevent another Ugandan Knuckles type of situation. People would make accounts just to spam and than leave forever.
true timber
Do you play VRChat 24/7 every day @hasty wedge ?
Ok, so then you're agreeing with me the system is not working as intended Tidus?
thorny totem
jeez...
rustic berry
I believe the time is between 20-40 hours, according to what I heard
but it depends on how social you are too
halcyon ingot
I've been reading this conversation and agree with you completely kizzy
Can't contribute much as I am on mobile
floral aspen
No, I'm saying he hasn't played the game enough. Just because he's played for 34 hours doesn't mean anything because that's assuming the trust system is based solely on play time, which it isn't.
true timber
It's very obviously still broken if you can not upload avatars after 34 hours in the game and a month in real time
That's just not acceptable
rustic berry
From what I read, it depends on how many worlds you visited, how many friends you have added, and time you have played
thorny totem
Ok now for the fun part, what system would you put in place if you had the choice? @ Kizzy
true timber
The same one, just with tweaked values.
thorny totem
explain...
halcyon ingot
The issue is no one knows what you need to do
true timber
^
floral aspen
It hasnt been a month. It's been 34 hours. Time spent outside of the game is irrelevant
rustic berry
that is a big issue
halcyon ingot
But then if they tell us people can try to get through it quick
true timber
Bull it's irrelevant
34 hours spread over an entire month is a little over an hour each day at least
thorny totem
If you know exactly what you need to do, you're opening the door to exploit... G1fan
true timber
that's more than enough time of playing a video game
halcyon ingot
I just said that
rustic berry
definitely
true timber
So a new player has no idea what to look out for. He's been waiting over an entire month and doesn't have a clue of what to actually do to resolve the issue
rustic berry
have you added any friends to your vrc account?
true timber
That's ridiculous dude
floral aspen
The algorithm can only account for time spent in game. Just because you spread out your playtime over a month doesn't mean anything
true timber
How do you know that?
vocal shard
kizzy is right wake up sheeple
true timber
You don't know the algorithm
You don't know anything, because there's nothing that tells you what to do
Just some extremely vague info about having positive social interactions
floral aspen
I don't need to know the algorithm to know your trust score doesn't increase when you aren't playing the game
rustic berry
The devs probably want to make sure that you are being social too, since that is the purpose of the game
floral aspen
You're score doesn't increase by afk'ing, so why the fuck would time spent outside of the game matter?
true timber
So a ban evader plays 6 hours a day, he gets to 34 hours in less than a week, as opposed to a new casual player who gets there in a month.
thorny totem
and that's enough Kizzy, because you're not supposed to focus on how to optain the Upload green light, but just play the game instead, chatting and having fun...
true timber
And the entire point is the avatars in the game
thorny totem
@vocal shard keep it civil want you...
floral aspen
I thought this was VRChat, not VRUpload
true timber
ya, it's vrchat, which was a game created so that users can upload content
that is literally the entire point of the game
otherwise it barely has an appeal
thorny totem
again, for you, not the majority
floral aspen
This is an online social platform created for people so socialize online in VR. Uploading avatars, while being a huge draw and a main feature, is just icing on the cake
true timber
and how do you know that?
true timber
it's not icing on the cake it's the main appeal of the game lol, it's not some little extra added on unimportant thing
rustic berry
The game is named VRCHAT" emphasis on chat
halcyon ingot
Customisation is a fundamental part of the experience
vocal shard
I wouldnโt be still playing if I couldnโt upload my avatars tbh
rustic berry
avatars are personal stuff, the game is for chat
vocal shard
yeah and league of legends is called league of legends emphasis on moba combat
true timber
If they removed all ability to upload avatars I'd quit the game tomorrow
halcyon ingot
Same kizzy
vocal shard
its the appeal and what makes people stick
true timber
If VRChat's entire appeal was just to talk in VR, Rec Room wouldn't only have 200 people online right now and VRChat with over 5,000
vocal shard
if i couldnt upload for a month id quit
if vrchats entire appeal was just the chat part why isnt discord used instead
Yeah, if I hadnโt been able to upload for a month I probably wouldnโt have kept playing either.
Exactly its taking for ever
and ive wasted over like 3 days each making a chacter 6 hours plus a day
true timber
What sets games apart are their defining features
rustic berry
that is true
floral aspen
No one is saying chat is the only appeal
vocal shard
they literally just did
thorny totem
The features are there, what are you complaining about then. Just wait and that's it.
vocal shard
stop speaking for people besides yourself and acting as if its everyones words
its not the right way to debate
rustic berry
I was mistaken, chat is not the only appeal, avatars are important, people like different things
true timber
Alright, lets ban Kane for an entire month and then when he complains we just tell him "What are you complaining about then? Just wait and that's it."
same logic
thorny totem
said the guy namecalling ...
vocal shard
replace ban with revoke uploading privileges
true timber
and you'd say, but I did nothing wrong so why was I banned
and the people would say I've done nothing wrong so why am I being punished for not being able to upload an avatar for this long
thorny totem
yeah i'm done trying, enjoy crying around ;)
vocal shard
what do you mean he wants to upload an avatar?
hopefullyt he system is internally tweaked a bit
true timber
good argument :^)
vocal shard
kane you are an amazing person, i enjoyed the debate.
floral aspen
You keep going back to a month, but the dude has only played 34 hours. Typical wait time is 20-40 hours. Not anyone's fault he only plays barely an hour a day
vocal shard
34 hours is a long time.
true timber
playing a video game for an hour a day is still a long ass time over the span of a month
vocal shard
thats approximately 1-2 weeks for normies
cold quiver
lmao you guys still at it
floral aspen
Lol an hour isn't that long. I work a full time job and can still manage more than an hour easy.
floral aspen
I'm not here claiming everyone is me
rustic berry
this argument will never end ๐ฆ
true timber
waiting for my friends to finish dinner so im bored and arguing with low IQ individuals. Sad!
vocal shard
you are saying because you can do it everyone can
thats not a fair perspective
not everyone has the same circumstances
floral aspen
That's a good way to win an argument Kizzy. Start insulting people. Because that always works
thorny totem
@rustic berry trolls moves in predictable ways ;)
rustic berry
I noticed
true timber
I'm just quoting our President. Presidential quotes are inspirational, no?
true scroll
Y'all wildin
vocal shard
everyone i disagree with is trolling right?
floral aspen
Really, you're gonna bring the president into this?
rustic berry
Hook and bait
thorny totem
yep
true timber
no, I'm gonna bring his banter.
floral aspen
I fail to see the difference, but whatever
vocal shard
If i played this game for a week and wanted to make an avatar id be upset as well
with no real indication of being able to upload
true timber
you said it was insulting, I was saying it's a presidential quote, how can it be insulting?
it's what normies like to refer to as "jokes"
vocal shard
i started my first avatar within 20 hours personally
rustic berry
Thank god I upload avatars when there was no rules
vocal shard
exactly
the entire premise here is that this rule system may be vetting out more newbs than ban evaders who have friends that let them use their avatars via pedestals anyway
floral aspen
You only claimed it was a quote after you got called out. Instead of continuing the debate you instead decided to claim we were all simply low IQ individuals
vocal shard
well are you?
vocal shard
if you are, hes right. if hes wrong, so what
thorny totem
Don't feed them Tidus, there is no debate here ;)
floral aspen
Like I'm gonna sit here and memorize quotes from our dumbass president
vocal shard
hey now take that back
true timber
Kane pulling out every logical fallacy in the book
vocal shard
kane, what is the premise of your argument btw
true timber
I speak for the majority, everyone I disagree with is trolling, there is no debate I am automatically right.
vocal shard
you seem to think im trolling so ill attack your premise directly
thorny totem
use your mouse scroll and try harder @vocal shard ;)
vocal shard
you never stated a premise and flip flopped
true timber
his argument is that the system is in place so it must be right
vocal shard
i cannot argue against an invisible premise
i wanna know what he thinks his premise is
true timber
Feedback does not exist, everything the devs do is perfect and 100% intentional
no great game was ever built on customer feedback
rustic berry
what do you think the feature request channel is for?
vocal shard
@thorny totem please state your premise so i may properly debate
true timber
Yeah, that's the point. Kane thinks that everything the devs do is perfect and 100% intentional and that feedback is stupid and pointless.
im not saying the devs dont listen to feedback/feature requests
vocal shard
i wanna know what he believes hes arguing
rustic berry
dang the tables have turned
vocal shard
lets let him type it out
thorny totem
try harder i said, just scroll up and read, avoid reading between the lines or tint it with your twisted interpretations ;) @vocal shard
thorny totem
you've lost me when you've called me moron ;)
true timber
well he obviously has no premise if he can't even repeat it
halcyon ingot
They don't listen to feature request by the way they only look at canny
vocal shard
my premise is that the vetting system in place is probably over tuned and possibly going to scare off more noobs than it is going to prevent malicious ban evaders who have buddies giving them pedestals anyway
floral aspen
The only argument here is that the length of time it takes to get upload rights is fine. He never stated that the devs are infallible and that feedback is stupid. Quit putting words in his mouth
vocal shard
i dont think he has an argument he just keeps calling me a troll and evading the question, he typed for 5-10 minutes and couldnt even think of a premise
true timber
The point being the system is how it is for a valid reason, if you can't get over it, well too bad
rustic berry
lemme get some popcorn
floral aspen
Get me some too. Kettle corn if you have any
rustic berry
sure thing
floral aspen
True, I wasn't necessarily trying to speak for Kane, just trying to clarify what was said
vocal shard
i dont understand his premise and want him to state it for the sake of proper debate
rustic berry
I honestly do not know what they are debating on
thorny totem
If you can't understand simple statements i can't help you really.
vocal shard
i dont understand what kanes debating, but i understand tidus and his points clearly, kizzys as well.
for some reason kane doesnt seem to know his premise so i suspect he got roped up in something he didnt really put any thought into
thorny totem
ok you made me laugh, good one ;)
vocal shard
that said, 40 hours is a bit long for raw play time tidus
true timber
Kane continues to scramble to find his premise.
vocal shard
alright kane i get your passive aggressive emoticons now state your stance in the debate or leave the debate
rustic berry
this whole argument has gone of the rails a long time ago, everyone had a point and now it is just people arguing pretty much about nothing
thorny totem
i'm clear thanks for the thoughts though
vocal shard
thats why im asking for his premise
true timber
We're arguing about trying to find the argument
vocal shard
i dont think he even had thought that much about it
true timber
It doesn't seem to exist
vocal shard
i dont understand his resistance
rustic berry
so you are arguing about who has a better argument
vocal shard
and if he has no reasoning nor premise i dont wanna consider his opinion
true timber
No, arguing about what the hell the argument is
rustic berry
so like I said, arguing about nothing
thorny totem
here you go, nothing to feed on and nothing to say anymore, how funny
vocal shard
thats why you need a premise to stand on
then the reasonin and evidence to support it
rustic berry
neither side has technically said a valid argument in the past 5-10 minutes
vocal shard
thats how arguments/debates work so its not shir flinging and a conclusion can come to
your fake neutral stance means nothing as well
i stated a premise clearly
twice
true timber
It's hard to argue with someone when they don't state their argument. He doesn't seem to have one aside from "It's implemented so it's right."
vocal shard
tidus and kizzy did as well
ivory folio
take a shot everytime the word premise is used
vocal shard
i wanted to hear kanes thoughts but he doesnt seem to hav eany beyond trolling accusations
languid beacon
So if we clear our cache the problems will be fixed?
rustic berry
fine you did say a premise recently
languid beacon
I don't know anything about anything..
true timber
That's what was suggested earlier yeah, if you're talking about the worlds not loading thing or something
vocal shard
the cache is located in appdata
languid beacon
Thanks!
floral aspen
I can see how a lot of people can see 40 hours as a long time. That's the length of most single player RPGs or a full work week. But spread out over an entire month (which you don't have to do btw) I don't think it's that bad. Not like you're bound to the default avatars.
And yes, I agree the argument went off rails long ago. It's 1 am so I think I'm gonna call it a night...
thorny totem
@rustic berry you right, their postulate are only based on a simple ODD (oppositional defiant disorder)...no matter behind it, just fluff :P
rustic berry
true
true timber
lol our arguments are based on defiance?
I guess anyone that ever disagrees with you has some kind of mental disorder and that's why they disagree with you, right?
vocal shard
while i disagree with that statement its ina subjective area and doesnt really have much more to be discussed there
rustic berry
I am just here to see where this goes
vocal shard
holy shit kane literally what
vocal shard
no point in discussing with kane further
debate reached a "endpoint" with tidus as well
thorny totem
you see we agree on something =) yay
rustic berry
Hopefully this can end now
I remember the days when chat was fun
people respected each others opinions
vocal shard
yeah how dare the chat discuss the meta of the game
right?
i respectfully debated here, good day sir. tips
rustic berry
good day
languid beacon
Man I really want to know what the discussion was about but you guys said soooo much
floral aspen
Just a debate over the trust system Adeon
vocal shard
i disagree
floral aspen
Lol no don't
hasty wedge
time for ROUND 2
languid beacon
I respect your ability to disagree
true scroll
the system is wild
floral aspen
It's time for zzzzz, you guys can go for round 2 if you want
languid beacon
I will not attempt to change your mind
vocal shard
for i believe it causes potentially more harm to newbs than it does to prevent bane vaders from getting a buddy to upload amalicious pedestal avatar
true timber
That doesn't even prevent ugandan knuckles 2.0
You can still use public avatar pedestals
true scroll
it took me 4 hours, only playing for 3 days, to be able to upload avatars and it takes others like 40
true timber
of which there are plenty of knuckles ones
vocal shard
as the system purpose is to stop ban evaders
rustic berry
Thank god the knuckles meme died
true timber
would be the same if it was some new, ugandan-knuckles like craze of a meme
languid beacon
It took me about 35 hours and I didn't mind it.
vocal shard
i have witnessed it not stopping such suspect individuals personally
languid beacon
Had lots of fun with friends before then
true scroll
i still see it around :/
rustic berry
I don't, although I am usually with friends in a private world
vocal shard
nutbar?
languid beacon
I came in after the knuckles thing, although I knew of the knuckles meme long before VRChat, so it doesn't bother me. I think it's hilarious. I bet it gives some VRChat oldbies PTSD though I'm sure. Just means nothing to me though :p
rustic berry
I saw the rise and fall of that and it got annoying, although there were a few memorable knuckles that I did like
unkempt hornet
thorny totem
TheDragonscion#7712 was it "lady knuckle"?
thorny totem
blip it
rustic berry
alright
languid beacon
I checked out VRChat early on during the DK2 days, but uninstalled it way back because it tended to auto-start when windows started for some reason. The knuckles meme made it fresh in my mind and got me looking up videos and curious enough to check it out again, and obviously i loved what i saw because i have a rift now as well as vive trackers ๐
thorny totem
:)
rustic berry
what is everyone doing now? I am currently listening to music
upper fox
fading owl
same @rustic berry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi8ITCWzX-Q
upper fox
rebuilding the original virtual theater
rustic berry
very nice
upper fox
when Udon comes out, I think i'll have a full set of features required for a theater
moderation and voteskips
languid beacon
Safe mode never seems to activate when someone has sent me to the VRChat lag screen
i'm still forced to restart the game ๐ฆ
fading owl
@languid beacon its supposed to do that? o.o
i didnt know it automatically activates it
/ is supposed to
languid beacon
it isn't automatic, you have to trigger it, but i can't trigger it while on the lag screen
was hoping it could get me OUT of the lag screen when someone's spamming
halcyon ingot
That would be nice but it isn't possible unfortunately
thorny totem
you should try The particle limiter, it may help in the futur @languid beacon
halcyon ingot
If you are having issues with particles it is worth looking into
fading owl
eh, Any mod / admin called Ron ingame online?
dire palm
well there a admin name ron but don't know if his online
dire palm
oh cool
polar jasper
@fading owl hes also the CCO of VRChat ๐
amber wharf
Where do we ask questions? Just want to know if seats really will be implemented back in.
umbral reef
They said they would be implemented again but only once they are more bug free
lilac swan
When they are working as intended, they will be back
vocal shard
I wanted to show ron my kawaii c4s
gusty frigate
The new update has 10/10 fucked my vrchat
umbral reef
Tried the stuff within #vrchat-support
mortal pier
CAN ANYONE ELSE log into vrchat
vocal shard
nope
mortal pier
i load into the room it stays black for about 10 seconts thne shows me the room for 2 seconts cant move then it goes back relogs me in and tries again
vocal shard
same
left tundra
servers are down i think?
vital urchin
Vacility itโs return of the loading loop
left tundra
hm
mortal pier
if they were down we be infiniately loading without beign able to get in the room
left tundra
im getting the login loop too
thick dune
did vrchat just crash for anyone else?
odd patrol
everyone did crashed i guess
thick dune
oh damn
tulip galleon
im here for the same reason as everyone else
vital urchin
Yeah Iโve been in the loop for maybe 2 minutes now
mortal pier
@vocal shard
vital urchin
they are looking into it already
storm estuary
same
left tundra
i guess now that im pulled off the game i can finally get stuff done
storm estuary
JUST as i wanted to play some....it doesnt work..
vital urchin
Was gonna go around and show off my new avatar too
thick dune
Same...
indigo fern
perfect reason to ping the admin amiright
mortal pier
yep
vital urchin
Oof
umbral reef
Bans 
?!
storm estuary
WTF
vocal shard
Please do not ping them multiple times, we'll message them about it.
vital urchin
not everyone can work fast give em time
fading owl
@thick dune dont, thats literally worse than using everyone
vocal shard
fading owl
though pinning 12000 people is bad as well
elfin forge
ok so it's not just me having problems with logging
vital urchin
And now we wait
elfin forge
it loads me in game just to kick me out
mortal pier
i just wish they would tell there comunity WHY the servers are acting like this or why they go down etc leaving it uknown is the resons people are mad but then again that wouldent be "Professional" :/
true sky
anyone else in the login loop?
elfin forge
yep
vital urchin
Look just because I stole one burger doesnโt mean Iโm not innocent
elfin forge
YES YOUA RE
vocal shard
Someone! Quickly go to support@vrchat.com ! Or moderation@vrchat.com !
elfin forge
HOW DARE YOU
vital urchin
I WAS HUNGRY
elfin forge
PSSSSH because THAT'S gonna help @vocal shard
fading owl
jesus christ can you guys chill a damn second
true sky
umbral reef
But legit, the servers just went down
Big odds they are only just looking into it and have not even found the exact reason themself..
And they are not forced to announce the reason to use- informing something is wrong is nice but to do that you need to know what is wrong first
mortal pier
Yournt
half haven
they are looking into it, patience
vital urchin
No
modern sand
Please stop spamming 
elfin forge
idm i have commission to finish anyway
vital urchin
sorry
indigo fern
Hi ruuubick, thanks for the hard work :)
elfin forge
we're just talkin tho
vocal shard
@vital urchin if people can be jailed in Chrono trigger for stealing food, so will you!
modern sand
It's more about the "is anyone else in a loop" by 50 people than you guys talking, i don't mind the talking.
half haven
wat
mortal pier
Ruubick god tell us why servers act like this D:
indigo fern
Yea, let's just be civil again, or at least whatever this chat usually is
vocal shard
Ok then you leave me no choice @vital urchin
half haven
they are looking into it
elfin forge
well ye we're talking about chrono trigger jail system now for some reason
half haven
please have patience
vital urchin
NYA Vacility save me
mortal pier
wut
vital urchin
The gonna put me in the pound
mortal pier
bye ill adopt you later
vital urchin
Nyooo you traitor
fading owl
Jesus christ, if your power goes out, do you run in a circle screaming WHERE IS MY ELECTRICITY?!
indigo fern
So, when is Tupper gonna star in a VRC rap video?
Because his hand movements are always on point
vocal shard
mc tupper? :pog: