#vrchat-general-2

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south oyster
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😂

vocal shard
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@ruby needle enjoy it m8

ruby needle
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Thanks cirPrise

idle cipher
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great my friend sent a pic to me and showed someone who has my avatar which they saved to their personal avatars and I never knew that. how do i get it off their personal avatars? I've detached every single id

vocal shard
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Report said user to the google form in #moderation-reports if you know their name.

Other than that, deleting your avatar and reuploading it with a different blueprint ID removes it to their list as well.

idle cipher
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I did that 2 days ago when someone else stole my avatar but this one still has the old version of my avatar

vocal shard
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Then I recommend doing the report if you do know their in game name.

idle cipher
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looks like I can't do anything about it then other than keep trying to remove it from their persona avatars list

olive citrus
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Anyone else unable to get in the game? The loading icon disappears for me and I'm just stuck in space

true sky
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ive seen people just join in then crash

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ok, now worlds are stuck at 0%

vocal shard
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wow have u guys seen the new anticrash

kind folio
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you will be banned for using it.

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dont even try

vocal shard
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but they updated it 20 mins ago saying its hidden from moderators and cant be detected now

kind folio
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mods / devs always find a way

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its their game

vocal shard
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but they cant stop people using crash exploits 🤔

solid hound
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🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

dry reef
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hmmmm

kind folio
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high poly doesnt affect much.

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Well

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relatively speaking here

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if a room of 20 people were using 100k models yes it would affect performance

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but youd be surprised how much lag is caused from too many materials, seperate meshes, bad shaders, laggy animations.

tender abyss
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Man, i wonder when VRChat’s gonna upgrade its Unity to 2018.1

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But I’m probably retarded for wondering that

modest halo
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because the limit is too low if you want high quality looking stuff @vocal shard

ruby needle
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@tender abyss oh a upgrade is gnona happen. but you dont just port a game over in a matter of days or even weeks

modest halo
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higher poly = more quality loss

onyx patio
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less quality loss

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But even that's not true

ruby needle
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you can make some good stuff with 20k if you are willing to invest time

onyx patio
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You can have high quality low poly models

modest halo
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yea but not everyone has time and skill that’s the problem

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so people don’t bother

onyx patio
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I mean. My colossus is 11k and looks fantastic

ruby needle
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people dont wanting to do it is a problem yes

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but if you want custom content

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you need to take the time

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simple

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or dont do it

tender abyss
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@ruby needle yes i understand that. Since the unity version VRChat is running on is really outdated (Like 3 years old), they’re gonna have to rework a LOT of stuff.

ruby needle
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if you have time to play the game, you should have enogh time to spend on making a propper model

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not wanting to is no excuse

modest halo
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it’s like why take hours to decimate when you can just import as is that’s why people do it

tender abyss
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But at least an upgrade is gonna happen. I’m glad we’re hopping off 5.6.3p1

ruby needle
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not even that it takes long @modest halo

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if you really want to you can do a propper decimation and manual atlasing with a tutorial in a day

tender abyss
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I realised i tagged the wrong person

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I now know that i need to reevaluate my life choices

modest halo
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ideal for you but not everyone is going want to do it is what I’m trying to say

ruby needle
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yes

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but if you dont want to

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then that is a you problem (i mean in generall)

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if its really time then there is enogh people who will convert models with propper decimation and atlasing for you

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ofc time is not free

minor gate
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so dont let the people who are too lazy upload shit

ruby needle
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yes

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lazyness is absolutely no excuse to break the rules and not optimize when you know you could

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the limit making sense or not is absolutely irrelevant

minor gate
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or they could just add individual model blocking

ruby needle
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that wont help

modest halo
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i wouldn’t call everyone that doesn’t decimate lazy but like

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some models just seem impossible to get in for beginners

minor gate
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fuck em

ruby needle
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that is right

minor gate
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give em a reason to learn

modest halo
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and people don’t want to pay if you can just get it in for free

ruby needle
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exactly that is a problem

minor gate
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if i could have everyones model blocked by default and selectivly unblock people when i talk to them, that would be so much better

ruby needle
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slective unblocking is something really neede together with default blocking (panic mode)

minor gate
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they kinda had it at one point, where if you toggle blocked somone they wouldnt load the avatar back

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but they patched that out i guess

ruby needle
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thats more a nasty work around

minor gate
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it looks like the players are going to kill the game before it ever gets finished either way

modest halo
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what do you think of being able to have infinite polys in a world

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there’s no limit

minor gate
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i dont care about worlds, i just avoid the shit ones

ruby needle
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that and worlds need a ton more

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which is why models should be as optimized as possible

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because the world is the big factor

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that will consume them

modest halo
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worlds can be low poly

solid hound
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@kind folio

minor gate
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dm are a thing you know

tame walrus
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I tried playing vrc again but my lenovo explorer isn't working for vrchat. Idk why. Everything is plugged in right and game is up to date

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idk if this is the right place to ask

kind folio
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lol.

tame walrus
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eo to

solid hound
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you're in the video 😊

minor gate
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congrats tree

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your youtube famous now

modest halo
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😂

minor gate
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another crash avatar, 3rd one today

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new record

modest halo
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it really should just be an actual feature in the game

indigo viper
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Reeee

minor gate
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crashing should have been?

modest halo
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anti crash

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like in the video

minor gate
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i think it should be the other way, everyone should just have a button on the hud that crashes everyone in the game

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the "give everyone a gun" approach

ruby needle
shy nest
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or just dont play the game anymore

ruby needle
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and... give up? to people who just want you to give up?

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not even a option to think about for a second

shy nest
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I was generally meaning until the devs do something about it

raven silo
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simple thing to do it avoid public area

ruby needle
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no DeeJay still no option

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the best you can do is report issues. and IGNORE the bad people

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and by ignoreing i mean ignoreing them

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not spreading hate

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report the issue

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and ignore them

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dont give them attention

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nothing

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let them die down

raven silo
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yea best ignore them

shy nest
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Ive reported a bunch of people, nothing has happened to them

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so take that report idea and shove it up your ass

ruby needle
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with enogh prove?

raven silo
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Ignore them then they wont have fun if no one pay attention

ruby needle
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^

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sometimes its btw more effective to ignor a a anoying person specifically trying to interact with you too, then outright blocking them

raven silo
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i block tons people when i hear screaming lol

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that annyoing

shy nest
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I had a 7 minute video of a guy explaining that he had a 100k model he uses to lag people, kept checking his steam profile for like 6-7 weeks, nothing whatsoever happened, his hours still went up in vrchat

ruby needle
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you mean a user in game confesed?

shy nest
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yeah, he confessed and explained how he does it and all that jazz

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nothing happened to him

ruby needle
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and you reported with that video as prove?

raven silo
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best thing to do go to private world public just death traps

shy nest
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nah i thought it was a better idea to just let it sit in a folder on my hard drive being useless after i spent a bit cutting it down from the hour or so long recording... of course I reported it with the video as proof

ruby needle
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hey.. i have see to many "special behaviours" to not ask that question

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im sorry cirBaka

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strange then cirThink

modest halo
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he was bragging about it but didn’t use it ?

quiet perch
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Does VRChat support mixed reality camera?

vocal shard
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From what I've noticed they usually do. Unless I'm mistaken and it's some other thing on some peoples avatars that causes such massive lag? Like I was hanging out with a friend in the pug one day. With lots of people around. And I was lagging yes but not nearly as badly as when some random guy popped into the room. Suddenly said friend was lagging too. And unlike me he's not on an old Athlon II X4 631 + GTS 450, he has a fancy rig with a 1070. o.o Either way I usually have to have block avatars on still. lol

shy nest
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probably the amount of materials they have on their model

vocal shard
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Also deleted my prior message since I've already heard the rules aren't actually enforced? And are just there because they have to be. According to those in contact with developers. Ah

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Maybe.

shy nest
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if i remember correctly 1 material = 1 draw call and LOTS of mmd models can have like 15-20

ruby needle
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15-20 aint even ´cutting it for a lot of mmd's

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15-20ish seems to be more of the standart from the ones i have worked with

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there is even models that have more then 100 hell even 200

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you can lag your self in your home to dead with that propably 😄

modest halo
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i’ve never tried to import something and saw that many materials 🤔

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is that really common for you because 15-20 does seem standard

ruby needle
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the biggest i had was like 54 cirThink

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(see, not imported obviously 😄 )

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my main model is at 7 and i absolutely hate it, i'have had my first manual atlasing attempt yesturday and gona make the (hopefully successfully) next one this week to get to 3 mats (different shaders)

modest halo
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why do you hate it?

ruby needle
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because it can be more optimized

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without any quality loss

cyan rapids
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immmm allliivveee xD

modest halo
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i doubt you’ll notice a difference but preference I guess

ruby needle
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that is the wrong way to think about optimization

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thats 4 less. take that to 10 people in a room

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thats 40 less

modest halo
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what do you think of props not counting towards the poly limit

ruby needle
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take that to a full room

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thats a crap ton less

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what to think about props not counting. i dont think its intendet but wether they fix it or not is nothing i have an opinion on

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i would love to have a serverside validation for the poly limit tho and having the avatars automatically removed if they are over limit

quiet perch
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What is the limit again?

modest halo
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you don’t use props I assume?

ruby needle
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20k polygons

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not much PinkSheep

modest halo
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do you use vr?

ruby needle
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yes

true sky
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i have a question on how you get kicked from your own world and noone is there

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and you get a moderation kick

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cause now i am locked out of my own instance

tender abyss
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Since VRChat’s gonna upgrade unity to a later version, do we know what that version will be?

ruby needle
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nobody knows

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i would expect it to be the 2018 version tho

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2017 wouldn't make sense at this date

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especially when looking at possible optimizations

tender abyss
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Exactly

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I hope it’s unity 2018.1. Been planning on finally using the latest version of Ultimate VFX

ruby needle
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if it works and wont be limited (whitelists)

tender abyss
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it better work

ruby needle
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tho Shuriken Particles suck

floral aspen
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It will be 2018 so they can take advantage of the new job system

ruby needle
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GPU based is where its at cirBaka

tender abyss
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Literally just starting out particle animation. Now I’m hearing about gpu based particles
Nani the fak?

floral aspen
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It's nothing you need to worry about

ruby needle
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compute shaders

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but its hella complex

floral aspen
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Just stick with shuriken particles

tender abyss
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Well whatever it is, I’m gonna learn that after i learn shuriken particles

winged quartz
ruby needle
winged quartz
tender abyss
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I’m sorry. I don’t have cute emotes

mighty galleon
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<.<

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-pats cinder-

tender abyss
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~Do not pat the Cinder. You get bad juju out of it~

winged quartz
mighty galleon
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-pats cinder more-

tender abyss
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~No please stop~

mighty galleon
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-wants bad juju-

tender abyss
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~No stop this isn’t even an rp chat~

true sky
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-dies-

mighty galleon
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:3

true sky
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🤷

mighty galleon
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im just bored

ruby needle
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why the hell are you useing ~ cirBaka

mighty galleon
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b/c i like it

tender abyss
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(Cinder kermits suicide)

winged quartz
tender abyss
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I use this as my actions

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Because why not

mighty galleon
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?

ruby needle
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** slaps you ** dont do that

tender abyss
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(Cinder will remember that)

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No

mighty galleon
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-slaps paul-

ruby needle
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how?

winged quartz
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Don't use ~ for actions aaaa GWnanamiNotLikePapika

ruby needle
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^ cirBlech

mighty galleon
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why not

tender abyss
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I fucking use ~ and - to state time

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i fucking use (( for anything ooc

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( this shit is my actions

mighty galleon
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i use - b/c i like it

ruby needle
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what code/standart is that cirLaugh

tender abyss
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JavaScript probably

mighty galleon
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?

prisma timber
winged quartz
stray surge
tender abyss
prisma timber
tender abyss
mighty galleon
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<.<

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hi im larry

tender abyss
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@prisma timber it’s clear that both minds think alike

prisma timber
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XD

tender abyss
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Our minds are linked to the point where we used fucking undertale emotes at the same time

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Nani the literally fuk

prisma timber
stray surge
winged quartz
mighty galleon
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<.<

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weirdos

stray surge
tender abyss
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What

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Did i say something wrong?

stray surge
winged quartz
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Stop kamomu

mighty galleon
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all the things

prisma timber
ruby needle
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this is definitely the wrong wae @stray surge

stray surge
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OK rip

tender abyss
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You’re goin da wrong wae

true sky
ruby needle
true sky
ruby needle
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cirPls dont

true sky
tender abyss
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We’ve become a shitfest

mighty galleon
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-eats bacon-

true sky
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-cluck-

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:)

winged quartz
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Knuckles GWnanamiMonokumaSweat

true sky
tender abyss
winged quartz
warped pasture
vocal shard
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man, can we please upgrade vrchat to the 2018 unity? the current one is too buggy for so many players

ruby needle
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thats something that will definitely happen hopefully some when this year cirBaka

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but its not easy and fast done

weary dome
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some avatars would break

vocal shard
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I need help. So I exported a model in FBX right. But when I put it into unity. The material doesn’t go like how it should in blender

weary dome
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cause people use all the current unity version supports and get the best out of it, but still we are like a year or more behind in unity versions

ruby needle
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avatars is one thing, but all the worlds and stuff are the other thing

shy nest
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inb4 no cubed shaders

vocal shard
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The new unity is just a lot more optimized

ruby needle
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the job system would be the best thing for us

weary dome
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the new rendering is dope

vocal shard
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Like in blender it works fine. But when I go into unity. The model’s head looks like is missing textures even though the textures is in the project

ruby needle
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manually asign the texture

shy nest
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you tried dragging the material onto the head?

weary dome
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ye

vocal shard
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I already manually assigned the texture

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I still get the same problem

shy nest
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pm me a screenshot

tender abyss
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@ruby needle so what exactly is the job system? This is actually the first time I’m hearing about it

ruby needle
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its easiy multithreading for C# code apparently

tender abyss
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Oh

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Wait that’s what the job system is?

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Wow I took that way out of context

weary dome
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didnt they add like shader forge to unity 2018 aswell built in?

ruby needle
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built in? i only know its free now on the asset store

weary dome
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shader forge is free ik

winged quartz
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Built in 🤔

weary dome
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but i heard about it having a built in one idk

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lemme google real quikc

tender abyss
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Built in...

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Hmmmmmmmmmm

tender abyss
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Oh yeah

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We’re able to build our own shaders in 2018.1

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Wait...I think I’m taking that out of context again

vocal shard
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this is why we need it, the game wouldnt run like poo anymore

tender abyss
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^

winged quartz
quiet flax
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There is a guy called Shidou Maki going around spamming particles and crashing people in japanese shrine

tender abyss
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Doesn’t unity use like...one fucking core?

vocal shard
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the one we use or the 2018?

tender abyss
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The one we use

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I think 2018 uses more

ruby needle
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currently the main processing is done on one core yeah

vocal shard
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i think we use the one from 2015

tender abyss
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Right

weary dome
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@quiet flax is he on rn?

quiet flax
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yea

winged quartz
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5.6 is from 2017 I guess

quiet flax
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he is going around all the channel in the japan shrine

ruby needle
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5.6.3p1 was released in august 2017

tender abyss
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So does that mean if we use the 2018 version of unity with more cores, our performance issues will be mostly fixed?

winged quartz
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maybe

ruby needle
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they will be better however the old code needs to be adapted

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and then you need to implement the new functions

tender abyss
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Yeah

ruby needle
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to make use of that features

tender abyss
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It’s gonna take a lot of recoding

ruby needle
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without breaking literally everything

vocal shard
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I would think so, but apparently not easy to transfer over

ruby needle
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which is why upgrading the engine isnt just done in a night 😄

tender abyss
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Most of the scripts are pretty outdated and would break if we went from 5.6.3p1 to 2018.1f2

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But honestly, I’m excited when we upgrade

ruby needle
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yes

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absolutely looking forward to it

winged quartz
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Me too

tender abyss
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Ultimate vfx looks bloody sick because I get do to a bit more tweaking

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I just need to find out how Mirza Beig makes his particles glow in his tutorials

weary dome
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@quiet flax cant find him xD

tender abyss
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Welp

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I just saw my mom chop her finger off in front of me.

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So how are we all doing today?

mighty galleon
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im good

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you?

tender abyss
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Doing good

mighty galleon
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nice

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whats for dinner

tender abyss
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My mom’s finger

mighty galleon
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sounds delicious

tender abyss
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Honestly it’s not

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I wanna hurl instead

mighty galleon
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eh its not that bad

winged quartz
tender abyss
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^

myreaction.jpg

mighty galleon
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a finger is normal, there are far worse things to see get cut off

tender abyss
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Yeah but I’m 15

winged quartz
mighty galleon
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eh

tender abyss
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And have never seen that happen in real life

mighty galleon
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oh ok

winged quartz
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How did that happen Cinder?

mighty galleon
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i see those thing as normal but if its your first i guess i can see how you find it gross

tender abyss
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@winged quartz She was cooking dinner and one of our cats ran past her. She slipped and cut her finger off

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It was funny and terrifying to see

winged quartz
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I feel sorry for her

mighty galleon
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it can possible be re-attached i believe

tender abyss
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Yeah

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She’s heading to the hospital now

shy nest
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did she throw her finger in the pan

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get it nice and crispy

winged quartz
tender abyss
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DeeJay no

shy nest
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i jest

mighty galleon
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i remember cutting my hand all the way down to the bone, stll have the scar today i was like "i think we needa go to the hospital" when i got there i had to sit for like an hour as my cut was bleeding out xD

tender abyss
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I jest your jest

winged quartz
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I hope she gets alrighto, Cinder

tender abyss
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@winged quartz that’s another scar for her. She hasn’t had another one ever since her jet skiing accident when she was 19

winged quartz
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Aww :c

mighty galleon
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can i count my tattoo as a scar since i was underage?

shy nest
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no

winged quartz
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She'll be alright! I believe in it

shy nest
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you can count that as stupidity

mighty galleon
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nah its a good tattoo

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its to remember a dead loved one

shy nest
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well shit start with that next time, now i feel bad

mighty galleon
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its fine

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all my tattoo's are for loved ones xD but im not allowing myself to go past 4 tats

tender abyss
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Is it weird how none of my family members have died yet?

mighty galleon
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nope

winged quartz
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The first time someone I know died was when I was 17

mighty galleon
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10 for me

winged quartz
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So yeah, I think it's normal

mighty galleon
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5 others after that

tender abyss
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Actually no wait

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My grandfather on my fathers side died in like 2007

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Then no one died ever since

mighty galleon
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long time ago

tender abyss
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Yeah

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Been like 11 years since his death

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Can’t miss him if you never knew him

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Which is sad

mighty galleon
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were you even old enough to remember him?

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not really

tender abyss
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I somewhat remember him

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I don’t even know how he died, but I feel like it was from dengue

winged quartz
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What country?

tender abyss
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Malaysia

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I like how we went from stuff about VRChat to family dying

vocal shard
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First person in my immediate family to die died when I wasn’t even old enough to know who they were thonk

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That’s over thirty years ago thonking

tender abyss
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Must be tough

vocal shard
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Not really. If you never knew them their death only affects you indirectly through other members of your family thonk

tender abyss
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Right

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Let us change the subject before it gets worse from here.

vocal shard
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Although I guess growing up without a mom was... unusual multithinkvivec

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But sure.

tender abyss
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Riiight

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So

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How’s life in vrchat?

vocal shard
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Bretty good

tender abyss
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Cool cool

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You met new people who can do sick stuff?

vocal shard
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Define “sick stuff”

tender abyss
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Animations simulating boss fights and stuff, or just people having cool avatars that can summon magic weapons...or anything that you definitely as sick stuff

vocal shard
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Those are usually a bit obnoxious, not a fan, I prefer more low key stuff thonk

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Seeing them once is fine I guess.

tender abyss
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I met a guy who simulated a Ganon fight. It doesn’t affect my pc at all, surprisingly.

vocal shard
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My computer runs them fine, I’d just rather not have to watch that, if I want to see fun stuff I’ll join on people who do it 🤔

tender abyss
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Yeeeeah

rough pulsar
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It's a good thing that the @ everyone is disabled for all but admins :B

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Otherwise you'd have almost 1100 people suddenly paying attention. 👀

vocal shard
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true

strange depot
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Opa blyat

vocal shard
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opa opa opa

strange depot
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Опа опа

vocal shard
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каменщик, давай трахнем

strange depot
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Мэйсон, не каменщик

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И нет сука

vocal shard
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давай детка

rough pulsar
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Try to stick to english in the main channels, we do have international channels like #russian

Also if google translate is anything to go by, not appropriate for this discord. :|

tender abyss
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gains depression in Japanese

proper prism
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Hay every 1

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How r we all doing

umbral reef
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GWchiakiKannaWave Eyo

proper prism
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Hay colac ^-^

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Hru doing oclac?

umbral reef
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Tired and stressed because im a bit late 😂

proper prism
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Late to what?

umbral reef
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The bus for school

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Got ~15 minutes to make food for the day, pack my bag and shave still

proper prism
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Fun

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Im going to let u get to it then cus I need some sleep ^-^

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Try to enjoy what u can from ur day

umbral reef
#

Welp nighty then and thank c:

sweet agate
#

well, how long do i have to play VRChat to get verified for avatars? i cant contact support to say that i had a steam account and now made a VRChat account to upload avatars? :D

ruby needle
#

Being allowed to upload is based on reaching a certain trust score which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.

You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner, walking around, meeting people and also makeing some friends. Idling wont help.
According to many responses in this discord the typical time it takes seems to be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.

Make sure you are not logged in to your steam account by accident and play the game until you get a notification or e-mail.

sweet agate
#

oh gg

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then i have to play alot on my vrchat account now

#

well thats how it is then! :D

kind folio
#

im so sorry for the ping

sweet agate
#

i dont think they are allowed to give ips

kind folio
#

well cool

#

guess they just let my friend die

umbral reef
#

They cant do anything though--
Even if they have his ip it does not provide them with an house, person name and ect
They can not even inform the police to do a welfare check

unborn patrol
#

I'm sorry if its not appropriate in this channel,
When does one gets approved to upload and use his custom avatars?

ruby needle
#

look at the 6th message before your question cirBaka

shy nest
#

easier to ask than not waste peoples time i suppose

unborn patrol
#

@ruby needle Thank you

proper prism
#

Morning

umbral reef
#

Well really morn now

proper prism
#

Ya it's 5:24 am here

shell dagger
#

Morning everyone

lavish kraken
#

Morning

shell dagger
#

😐 I feel like this face expresses me on a very deep emotional level

lavish kraken
#

Why's that?

shell dagger
#

aka, boredom

#

Know any fun servers?

lavish kraken
#

Ah 😈 is me in a nutshell

shell dagger
#

pff

lavish kraken
#

depends on what you mean by "fun"

shell dagger
#

mmm whatever

winged quartz
#

GWnanamiNotLikePapika is me in a nutshell

shell dagger
#

same tbh

somber rapids
#

BornToAwoo is mine

north axle
#

Tell me something in one or two sentences: back in January/December, what ruined VRChat for those who left it?

winged quartz
#

knuckles

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and kids

lavish kraken
#

I don't know, and curse my lack of nitro

winged quartz
#

I don't have nitro GWupuCirCup

north axle
#

(Also, hackers, poor servers, lack of instant moderation, etc.)

winged quartz
#

^

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Indeed

north axle
#

How would you put it into one sentence?

winged quartz
#

Popularity brings bad people who can ruin a good community

#

That's not one sentence I guess but whatever

shell dagger
#

Whoa twin spire village is beautiful. Also, that is a statement, I believe that counts.

rough pulsar
#

It's hard to say what sepcifically 'ruined' it for people who left. Mostly because they left.

#

I can definitely say what made december/january something of a worrying time for myself, but IDK if that's what you're after @north axle

north axle
#

I'm analysing what makes people get into VRChat and the reasons why a lot of people left.

errant sigil
#

Vrchatters more like VRshitters slide Smugtfree

north axle
#

We're getting back to the old numbers, yay.

errant sigil
#

you know what killed it for so many?

rough pulsar
#

I'd guess one reason was how inescapable the knuckles meme was. You pretty much had to go 'bomb shelter mode' and stick to closed groups in semi/private instances.

north axle
#

January memes and the other stuff I mentioned earlier.

lavish kraken
#

"Several people are typing"

errant sigil
#

The crashers, the hackers, the people the devs refuse to do anything about while honest people get banned for taking things into their own hands

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Like making self-fixes to the client to simply prevent crashers from hitting you

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If most people haven't moved on to private worlds they left all together

#

And there is nobody to blame except two groups of people, the developers who sit by and do nothing to prevent graphical crashers when it's well within their capability given that some shmuck was able to do it (it gets people banned because of incompetence on the devs part) and the hackers and malicious users who use the crashers in the first place.

north axle
#

VRChat already tried getting more moderators, but I guess it's never going to be enough.

errant sigil
#

If you expect people not to leave when you're punishing them for fixing what VRcan't devs refuse to do in a simple patch, you've got another thing coming harder than the wave of ugandan knuckles.

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That's all I have to say, take it or leave it.

north axle
#

The problem is not even with moderation overall, but rather the fact that there's no instant punishment. It usually takes some time before moderators gather enough evidence on those people.

errant sigil
#

That's not so much the issue

#

I understand and am fully sympathetic with them over their lack of ability to deal with things swiftly

#

my bone is with the fact they ban people for using a client made to fix what they don't want to

#

They are more than willing to ban people using the client as soon as possible but they won't even touch half the people crashing others or stealing avatars

#

They need to simply put in a crasher fix. Yesterweek.

#

That's my gripe.

umbral reef
#

Using a modded client is breaking the ToS
They cant see what is modded about it so

errant sigil
#

Wah. So is hacking and using crashers but you don't see them nailing those guys half as fast.

north axle
#

Hackers are just more careful than the rest.

errant sigil
#

Pin it any way you want, their inaction (Not providing a simple patch to stop the client from croaking from people who use crashers) speaks for its self.

#

I am FULLY sympathetic that they're busy, have limited manpower and so forth but if a couple of guys running an offshot website with a bloody ugandan knuckles as its mascot can put out a fix for the crashers faster than they can, it's SEVERELY telling.

#

They could literally just copy the fix if they wanted but no. anyway, gonna go back to streaming.

sleek bone
#

Why is impersonating an admin is bad?

errant sigil
#

..

sleek bone
#

Or against the rules?

errant sigil
#

Because you're not an admin.

winged quartz
sleek bone
#

Like, people can’t be VrPill

errant sigil
#

You don't have that kind of power and impersonating one gives a bad impression on people

sleek bone
#

Oh okay

errant sigil
#

It's being an asshole.

sleek bone
#

I guess the only admin that is allowed to be impersonated is Tupper cuz his avatar is literally a mmd cirno he got from the internet

winged quartz
errant sigil
sleek bone
#

It’s true

north axle
#

You'd be surprised to know that only a few mods have unique avatars.

errant sigil
#

Not really

sleek bone
#

They have to

errant sigil
#

What's the point in having something unique

sleek bone
#

Have unique avatars

errant sigil
#

when some people make some incredible, fun, and impressive avatars

winged quartz
#

It can't be unique in a game where everyone can be anything 🤔

#

Even if you try, bad people will try to impersonate you

errant sigil
#

Exactly

sleek bone
#

And bad people get banned

errant sigil
#

B-But muh OC furry avatar I spent 10 minutes on by switching a wig ; ; ; ; ; ; ;

sleek bone
#

XD

winged quartz
north axle
#

Having something unique certainly gives you a better image. That's why I call VR Pill "the Stan Lee of VRChat."

sleek bone
#

Not really

#

He’s more of a quiet ruler

north axle
#

He's just a moderator.

#

But he's awesome at PR.

winged quartz
#

I- Isn't him an admin?

north axle
#

You can look it up, the admins don't want to show their names in here.

winged quartz
#

Oh

north axle
#

I mean, the owners of VRC.

winged quartz
sleek bone
#

Strangely, I actually just found out VrPill’s real name. I just wouldn’t tell you here

winged quartz
#

I found a pretty old video about vrc

sleek bone
#

He literally just exposed himself in the game’s official facebook community

winged quartz
#

And saw some names I couldn't recognize

sleek bone
#

@winged quartz yeah, when there is zero anime avatars

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Haha

north axle
#

It's fine, he's got a very common name. Although knowing something about another person IRL kinda ruins the immersion.

winged quartz
north axle
#

But yeah, don't share it on public

umbral reef
#

Linked in is a thing but you need connections to even see then there so

sleek bone
#

Hmph

errant sigil
#

I think only 135-180 people have my first name in the united states

sleek bone
#

My first name came from a mythology

north axle
#

And I'm pretty sure I'm the only person with my last name on the entire planet.

errant sigil
#

I highly doubt it

shell dagger
#

same @errant sigil

errant sigil
#

I mean

#

mine is unique- Donalda- but I bet it's far more common in places with celtic culture

shell dagger
#

maybe a lot more actually

sleek bone
#

I noticed a rise of asians playing this game

umbral reef
#

Like 5k peeps know my first name online

rough pulsar
#

I have such a hilariously common name there was 4 of us with the same name in my college class.

We got nicknames real fast and even the staff used them.

shell dagger
#

I started thinking about it lmao

errant sigil
#

I love speaking to japanese players

north axle
#

I'm not going to tell you my full name, but I've been looking for others having at least a similar one, and I haven't seen any others.

sleek bone
#

I mean. I am Asian myself but.....

errant sigil
#

I've learned a little japanese

#

It's really cool

sleek bone
#

Yeah

#

Sucks to be one of the few filipinos playing this game

shell dagger
#

I've embarrassed myself lmao bye for now

lavish kraken
#

Only 6 real folks know my first name online.

north axle
#

Are you out of your mind?

errant sigil
#

nani

north axle
#

Don't let anyone know your real name.

errant sigil
north axle
#

This isn't just a game.

errant sigil
#

It literally is

#

and my first name means nothing

#

like

north axle
#

If you die in VR, you die IRL.

errant sigil
#

LOL

lavish kraken
#

なに?

errant sigil
#

WE DOT HACK NOW BOIOS

rough pulsar
#

I have the massive advantage of sharing a name (both first and last) with someone semi-famous so 90% of searches pick them up instead.

Not having facebook helps too. ;D

errant sigil
#

ikr

lavish kraken
#

Face...book. なに?

north axle
#

"FACEBOwOK."

errant sigil
winged quartz
#

owo what's this

gritty sonnet
#

Is vrchat down

opal gyro
#

i hate avater stealer {someone just stole my avater D:}

gritty sonnet
#

So vrchat's not down for you? @opal gyro

opal gyro
#

no its not down

gritty sonnet
#

o

umbral reef
weary smelt
#

nice mention

#

xD

gilded ferry
#

I crashed out of the blue, I am not sure why o .o

stiff rose
#

Anyone have a good tutorial how to add MMD dances to your emotes like "shift + 3" etc. Would love to get a video of it or someone to teach me 😃

vocal shard
#

Does anyone knows how long it takes normally to get an email back from the moderation team? (=
waiting almost for a week now

raven silo
boreal slate
#

@vocal shard None.

frail escarp
#

i play pokemon go

#

everyday

#

i play pokemon go

#

EVERYNIGHT

#

With no sun light

#

gotta catch em all

thorn latch
primal elk
#

I like book

prisma timber
#

How do you see your own nameplate?

hasty comet
#

Hi, I'm having trouble finding players who speak English. One of the few players I found who speaks English said I was connected to the European server instead of the North American one, does anyone know how to fix this?

winged quartz
#

What the fuck GWjojoJotaroSweat

hollow topaz
#

I dont think there are servers like that

winged quartz
#

At what time are you playing

hasty comet
#

I just logged off

hollow topaz
#

it might be the time you play lol

winged quartz
#

I only see non english speakers in around 10 hours from now normally

#

And those are pretty much asian people

hasty comet
#

Weird, I've hardly seen any English speaking players today

winged quartz
#

That's strange

#

Maybe the maps you're joining / friends you're following

hasty comet
#

Doubt it. I don't have any friends, and I'm playing on whatever maps are the most active, such as The Hub and the Presentation Room

winged quartz
#

That's probably the problem then 🤔

#

What the actual fuck has been happening to this game

#

Gosh

hasty comet
#

I took a break and started playing again 2 days ago, what happened?

umbral reef
#

I became even more awesome GWnanamiCoolSquid

#

But might just be unlucky

winged quartz
#

Pretty much what we were talking today I guess

#

Ye

umbral reef
#

Had days like that also but also days where i never found anyone not speaking english

#

(double negative ftw)

winged quartz
#

Who's been playing for a long time hasn't been in public instances anymore

hasty comet
#

People started going to private instances more often than public ones? That would explain why I haven't come across any full rooms

umbral reef
#

Well people have been doing that for ages though

#

But its happening more and more

winged quartz
#

Friends, friends+, invite and invite+

#

Yeah

rapid heath
#

makes total sense though

winged quartz
#

Invite only instances have been increasing a lot

hasty comet
#

That makes more sense, better start making friends then

winged quartz
#

Yeah

#

Find who's nice and stick to them

umbral reef
#

@inner cape We should nick ourself to captains in here for the guild :^)

hasty comet
#

Ok, will do. Thanks

inner cape
#

Agreed

winged quartz
#

The guild?

inner cape
#

We are now in charge here.

rapid heath
#

@umbral reef I'm a salty wizard then? :omegaLUL:

inner cape
vocal shard
#

There aren't really separate servers for each region. All people around the world connects to the server in America.

winged quartz
#

Yes indeed

#

Also hai Advert GWunu2BGasm

vocal shard
#

Howdy there~ kannaHeartsWave

winged quartz
#

How are ya?

vocal shard
#

I be drunk, and you?

winged quartz
#

Oh

#

I'm not drunk

vocal shard
#

That's good. Pats It be a monday so shouldn't really be drinking.

umbral reef
#

Monday drinking?

#

Bad advert

#

No headpats for you

indigo fern
#

it's mum break day

winged quartz
#

I can't drink during work, so

rapid heath
#

only hugs :Hug:

vocal shard
#

Break week, I can do that. Glare

#

Ooh, good luck at your work. umuPatPat Better not to be drunk.

winged quartz
#

W- why not

vocal shard
#

'cause then you can't focus on anything

winged quartz
#

I can't focus even sober GWtogaTheSaddest

vocal shard
#

Oh

#

Then... Think ... ThinkGlare ... Think Still don't drink 'cause work hours.

winged quartz
#

Make me GWunu2BGasm

vocal shard
#

I'll drink all of it before you can?

umbral reef
#

Wowie 💔

#

Not sharing with us

vocal shard
#

Jya didn't even share when you went to one last night--

umbral reef
#

Last night?

#

I think your messing up days robbit

winged quartz
#

I'll drink it when you pass out then

umbral reef
#

And true GWtogaTheSaddest

#

Advert is a robbit, they dont pass out they go into stand-by mode

winged quartz
#

Please put me in standby from this hell

vocal shard
#

umuPatPat You may feel bad right now but you can look at memes later.

winged quartz
#

I want some good jojokes

vocal shard
#

Hmn... Should ask Pan or Ghost for that.

#

ThanosSnap This is jojo, right

umbral reef
#

Help

winged quartz
#

No GWjojoJotaroSweat

umbral reef
#

Im being totally destroyed in OW

vocal shard
#

Compe?

umbral reef
#

Not even

#

But this hanzo legit jumps and one taps

vocal shard
#

I tried searching for Jojo emotes but I got none shrug1

umbral reef
#

Every

#

fucking

#

time

winged quartz
vocal shard
#

Didn't he got nerf'd and stuff

umbral reef
#

I dont know

winged quartz
#

I found only one jojo server with global emotes so yeah GWjojoGappyGoodShit

umbral reef
#

I have not played the game in ages

#

All i can do is flick shot with macdonals, play doomfirst, ruin fun with zarya and supports

vocal shard
#

Be mercy and hold left click. 👀

#

And should ask Ghost/Pan for more Jojo memes--

umbral reef
#

Man i used to be top 1% in this game GWtogaTheSaddest

#

Why did i quit playing for like 5 seasons

winged quartz
#

I used to have patience to play this game when Roadhog still existed

vagrant sequoia
#

does anyone knows how long you have to play vrchat before you are allow to upload avatars. i know im already over 50 hrs and im still not allow.

umbral reef
#

I was a zarya one trick xD

vocal shard
#

I can only play Mei so shrug1

winged quartz
#

I used to play Roadhog, Mei and Junkrat

vocal shard
#

There's no actual set time on how long you need to play before you can get granted the permission to upload user content. Varies from person to person

#

Top 1% PogChamp

winged quartz
#

I was this games cancer pretty much

umbral reef
#

Ow shit i just clutched a 4v1 with zenyata

winged quartz
#

But it just not as fun without my thickass roadhog

umbral reef
#

Roadhog was busted back then

winged quartz
#

No grab hit kill for my man

#

Too sad for me

umbral reef
#

But peek 64 S1 is like op op

winged quartz
#

Over op powered

onyx patio
#

where do we find the pictures we've taken in VRChat? haha

indigo fern
#

user/pictures/vrchat

onyx patio
#

oh, easy

#

ty

crisp ruin
#

!cleancache

floral flaxBOT
#

You can clean cache by deleting the vrchat folder within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat

quiet perch
#

How long do world's stay in VRChat cache?

umbral reef
#

untill you delete them or reinstall the game~

quiet perch
#

Phew good.. satellite internet with 30gigs a month when you have to constantly download worlds

#

Sucks

umbral reef
#

It does fill up your drives though but you get faster loading in worlds and no downloading

quiet perch
#

That is true

umbral reef
#

well cache is information that gets stored on your pc so you dont have to download it again (or the exact same data so an world update still means you need to download stuff) and because you dont have to download it it can load faster

supple bison
#

Inb4 raid 0 just for vrchat

brisk raven
#

Anyone noticing friend's locations are updating really slow?

winged quartz
#

that's not a new thing

vocal shard
#

valve knuckles when

mighty galleon
#

never

onyx patio
#

5 years, who knows

#

Vive 2 and Knuckles

grizzled fractal
#

I need help aaa

inner cape
#

@grizzled fractal what is it, you need help with? Ghost

grizzled fractal
#

um

mighty galleon
#

iz it with your heart?

#

im good with hearts

grizzled fractal
#

It's like hmm how do i explan the camera it's like looking up and spining

inner cape
#

Constantly?

grizzled fractal
#

Yeah

inner cape
#

Weird.

#

Must be something from your side tho.

grizzled fractal
#

O

#

I don't know how i can fix it

inner cape
#

Tried switching avatars?

#

Restarting doesn't help?

grizzled fractal
#

ty

#

IT WORKS

inner cape
vocal shard
#

The screen spinning infinitely usually happens if you have any kind of controllers plugged in to your computer.

shell dagger
#

oof I wanna make a custom avatar but honestly, I'm lazy smh

quiet perch
#

same ill get to it one day

#

one day ill taqke the time to learn my way around unity

south oyster
#

😃

onyx patio
#

What's the program people use to change their avatar's position on the Y axis in-game

#

I made a great model but I can't figure out how to get their shoes up out of the ground just a little bit

south oyster
#

hmm, feet sinking into the floor, doesn't that happen when the model isn't assigned toes?

onyx patio
#

she's got toes

south oyster
#

Ah, I see. 😮

vocal shard
#

Does the rig have all of its fingers set up?

#

Because that can disable IK which can mess around with the positions of the feet

#

hey anyone here?

mighty galleon
#

"no one is currently here to pick up the phone. Please leave a message after the beep" "BEEP"

south oyster
#

🤔

onyx patio
#

Rig's got all it's fingers

#

I think it's the position of the toe, though

#

Is the 'bottom' of the avatar determined by where the small end of the toe bone is?

muted quartz
#

whats up with people getting banned for using anti crash

#

my buddy got banned by fun time cause he used anti crash

primal elk
#

uwu whats this

#

well golly

muted quartz
#

yeah the mods arent really doing a good job right now

modern sand
primal elk
gritty sonnet
#

I'm sorry you feel that way 😦

vocal shard
#

Modified client = ban

#

Irrelevant what sorta mods

#

Was meant for frost

gritty sonnet
#

I understand you're upset and want to get back on vrchat, but that's what happens when you don't follow the rules..

#

Pls don't give up on the game though

onyx patio
#

why would you mention that you don't spend time on publics if you were following the rules? Sounds like you have a modified SDK, at the very least

crimson lantern
#

Anyone here do models for VR chat / know how to upload them

gritty sonnet
#

I'm sure you don't steal avatars
But there must be something else that triggered the ban

onyx patio
#

@shell sage I'm not hearing a 'no'

gritty sonnet
#

Yeah.. They've been banning more people recently for modded sdks

vocal shard
#

Again I didn't mean you lmao

onyx patio
#

You didn't tweak the SDK to upload all the stuff you're 'playing around with' in unity

#

?

#

I didn't say modified client

vocal shard
#

And the other guy clearly mentioned said modifiet Client lmao

gritty sonnet
#

Hmm if you really think you didn't break any of the rules

#

I think you should email them

#

I'm sure they'll reply soon

vocal shard
#

It's not like they owe you a reason anyway cirno_shrug

#

I know ppl that say they didn't do anything and then slipped up saying they had 29 banned Accounts or just 'moved some simple files' commander

#

Not saying mistakes don't exist

#

Content Thonk

#

And you need hacks for that?

#

You should just report them to the mods tho instead of making everybody in every discord panic Dansgame

#

ThonkCorn I feel like you are tackling too many issues at once

#

That's unhealthy tho

#

cirno_shrug anything everywhere could end all of a sudden, life, relationships online games' support. Some shit could go down any the internet as we know it could be gone. It's always best to apreciate things eith that in mind.

#

Also damn my phone is laggy rn monikaS

#

Oh my is gaia night still in shambles?

devout python
#

it isn't so much that their not tackling the problem. the problem is their not having an open dialog with the people being banned and the people that are filing reports

vocal shard
#

My bad

devout python
#

personally i think we need more mods because only having a hand full of mods in a game this size makes things impossible to moderate

vocal shard
#

No swearing plz, this is a christian discord Pray

true sky
#

doesnt say anything about swearing, but i think the mods would say something if you swear every message

#

btw, is there a way to report someone as they overclocked my CPU to where i got the blue screen

vocal shard
#

👀 and how did they do that

devout python
#

i don't even think that's possible

true sky
#

some guy mentioned he could overclock someones pc after crashing them but couldnt see their name plate

#

had something to hide it and fired a crash gun and poly bomb

devout python
#

they would have to hack into your pc

true sky
#

ive been crashed even in safe mode before

vocal shard
#

Right cuz it's impossible that things just crash once in a while

true sky
#

i wish vrchat didnt make it where you can hide the nameplate soo easily with whatever they are using as i could have gotten a photo out of it before i crashed

vocal shard
#

Just use the Output log

#

!outputlog

floral flaxBOT
#

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt

vocal shard
#

Wont work if you relogged since tho

true sky
#

where is an output log when i got the blue screen out of it

#

not a crash dump

random dagger
#

hey where would i report someone who is stealing my models

true sky
random dagger
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ty

true sky
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i made my models public at this point since avatar stealing is too common now

onyx patio
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@shell sage Nothing about your hours-long tirade makes me think you're innocent

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just letting you know

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Okie dokie

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Have fun

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Bye felicia

vocal shard
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PJSalt af

somber rapids
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PJSalt is real

vale burrow
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Oof

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Just chimed in here to ask if performance has been a tad worse lately

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Don't mean to add to the salt, just asking

vocal shard
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Seems to be the case, but many say it's due to more and more ppl using unoptimized avatar

left tundra
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protip never get an amd graphics card for vr

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avatars always stop rendering because drivers and i have to restart like 10 times a night

raven silo
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AMD worse thing for GPU

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nivida does it better

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amd only good at make CPU only

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most game developer support nivida over amd

left tundra
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the card itself isnt that bad but rx cards have this specific bug with handling flat lit toon shaders in vrchat

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so i basically just pray my stuff doesnt break everytime i launch the game or open my menu or someone joins and i have to load their avatar

warped dew
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oof

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uploading fails us again

cold talon
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Rip

warped dew
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how do i update the sdk

median basalt
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Is the world public status spreadsheet down for anyone else?

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All I see is an empty sheet

vocal shard
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ok

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so apparently I am a meme?

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😐

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am i in some videos or something

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?

inner cape
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Shaena back at at it again

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How cancerous can this get

supple osprey
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I know

inner cape
vocal shard
inner cape
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You were told to contanct that ^ so many times.

supple osprey
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@inner cape you're not a mod and that isn't true. I've been told once and wasn't answered the question when I asked what email he was referring to

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@vocal shard I tried contacting many times and I never got any single reply despite it being really serious and involving one of the mods. I also reached out after reading the rules and seeing "2. There is an imminent moderation emergency that is putting myself at severe personal risk or harassment, emphasis on the severe."

vocal shard
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not true

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All emails sent to moderation@vrchat.com are replied to at the discretion of the moderation team. This is not a sounding board to voice your concern about emails sent.

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seen it a million times

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👀

inner cape
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^

supple osprey
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@vocal shard But this is definitely more serious than some random user crashing a client. This is a mod harassing over the course of months and abusing his position to help him do so.

vocal shard
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This is your final warning to stop discussion of this in the Discord. Thanks.

inner cape
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Yeees omegaLUL

supple osprey
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I guess that's the vrchat moderation team for you. No wonder he can get away with harassment for months

true sky
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or is it just feedback?

vocal shard
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that's where you say hi

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clearly

inner cape
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Mfw now she's gonna write a 10k word reddit post about how vrc sucks.

vocal shard
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asuming genders vrpill

umbral reef
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Well i cant deny that there have been plenty of reports from people about the mods themself
But at the same time i take most with a big grain of salt

inner cape
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This can turn into a really big scandal if this is true, but I doubt it.

vocal shard
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huge if true

umbral reef
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Guess you guys have never seen staff drama

cold talon
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Someone got silently killed hackspanner

umbral reef
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Legit no one really gives a shit about these things unless irl legal laws have been broken

inner cape
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They left or been beaned.

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I say left.

vocal shard
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👀

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the program was the first to notice ofc

cold talon
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this is your final warning
talks again
disappears
tanabae

inner cape
cold talon
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Nothing more and nothing less 👀

inner cape
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LoL RIP in comic sans

cold talon
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Its the saaaaaans daaaaaaaaanceee

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mention
REEEEEEEEE

vocal shard
cold talon
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Wrong one cyann

vocal shard
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but what if the other one causes a seizure?

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I don't wanna be sued

cold talon
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This one causes seizures too it has a one frame skip, how could you not take that into account! Are you trying to silent kill everyone?

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I know your plans you sneaky toaster.

vocal shard
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oh well since I'm already ellbow deep in it anyway

cold talon
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Mmmm yesss my eyes

vocal shard
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eyes?

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tell me more 👀

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new avatar creation anyone?

umbral reef
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What do you mean?

vocal shard
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the pub is fucked

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@umbral reef

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oof

cold talon
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Uff

vocal shard
onyx patio
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If he declared bankruptcy and owes 600k, odds are you're not getting anything

torn apex
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A new vr social app called staramba whatever is making fun of VRchat on their facebook ads

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They claim they are better because microtransaction economy system and high quality scans of celebrities

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Boring athletes and such

twin jacinth
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Can you send me a link on PM?

torn apex
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Im so impressed i get to virtually hang around celebtries i couldnt care less about xD

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And second life level of transaction and economy

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They also falsely advertice "being the first vr social app"

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When they pretty much stole VRchats ideas

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And put money behind them

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And ehm... sports celebrities

umbral reef
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I dont know what the fuck you read but in what world did they make fun of VRC?

torn apex
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On VRChat i get to be aliens. And i modelled and entire penthouse apartment. And it costed nothing but my own hobby in 3d modelling xD

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In comments they say they are better than VRchat because of production value and celebs

umbral reef
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They say there maps are better what is far from hard

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There avatars are properly scanned so that shit still aint a lie

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And they do have some famous names as partners so 🤷

torn apex
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Ik... but they pointed out the facts im the least interested inn xD

umbral reef
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I legit dont get why your shitting on a game taht can further VR a lot

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Like they said nothing offensive or made hit pieces like plenty of groups have done

torn apex
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Because they want to focus on microtrans and economy... its why i like VRChat... its open sandbox

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And they falsely advertise being the "first" to do it

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The whole VR social app thingy

twin jacinth
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Seems cool at first glance if it was free
They simply said it's a different game with some features that are ''better''
Not a lie as it's 2 different things

umbral reef
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Thats not the point of what im saying--
I agree with you that paying for a VR social game is pretty lame mainly if its for avatars... You cant be creative and what is fun about social platforms if you cant show off yourself. Fucking old school forums had more free to swap things then most modern social platforms do

twin jacinth
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First to get fullscan of yourself to get a life like avatar and economy etc.