#vrchat-general-2
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Before I got my headset I'd sit in the pug and do nothing but listen to the ambient noise while doing homework
Easy hours
You don't need to develop something you haven't even played
i'm making a model for someone else
i plan on playing myself when i get a headset sometime
Mfw I afkd in voidclub
I still can’t log in


@vocal shard and single digit FPS? 
Fps is fine unless I turn the new mirror and everything else on
You know, it needs a size limit for models
then it dips
Literal size not file size
And it can be a playermod that world devs can increase if they want to allow large avatars
It’d be the same load in
i would be very carefully with suck gating features Antivirus-chan
Yaaass. I have hithered into game
Wat
gating features always exclude parts from groups and experiences
Suck gating
Sounds lewd
that is for example a reson why the particle toggle is a really bad option insted of a reasonable limit
👀
because then people who make stuff will go all in and those with not good performance have no chance of ever turning them on because of that
thuse they will lack interaction when all others watch a demo or whatever
or just simple nice effects on a avatar
I have no idea what you're saying
Or why it's relevant to me wanting a default max size for avatars
Which would be modifiable at the world level
what would happen to people who dont fit the size?
Default Avatar
and what exactly is that?
The one you see in safe mode
A default avatar that fits the size requirements?
but that would exactly mean what i said
I mean if you're stupid enough to make your Avatar the size of a car in Japan shrine I don't care about your opinion
I don't see the problem with worlds having a min/max scale limit.
A very good example supporting this is Battle Discs. Having a tiny avatar gives an unfair advantage due to the smaller hitbox.
I'm not saying you can't have larger than average avatars but when I can't see because you're covering things up
There's a problem
hmm
That's irrelevant
Also doesn't the pug have a 'size limit' implemented that forces oversized avatar users to respawn?
Idk I never go to that lag fest
that should be fixed with the new update @full tiger
the menue renders over everything now
Okay cool
and you can hit it trough objects
I haven't been in VR since the update to try it, but the latest update should have menus forced on top of everything
But everything is taking twice the loading time rn
It really isn't
im not sure if that isnt just a bug due to all the respwan triggers around it Gallium
since the pug is full of them
Could be a fortunate side effect.
i belive so
Also the pug itself is pretty well performing once it loads in @haughty gazelle it's all the unoptimized users in it that make it a lagfest.
I never said it was the room
the way you worded it kinda implied it was, my mistake.
I could have used better working
Unoptimized avatars just gravitate to the pug
Wording*
I just have people blocked by default
What are people doing to display those images that take up your whole screen? I want to do something constructive with that
shaders
Screen space shaders, specifically.
I'll have to look into that
Cus I'd love to be able to display a small notification on everyone's screen in my room
I saw a guy share an informative PowerPoint using a screen space shader, wish I had remembered what it was about
r u making fun of my 37 drawcalls
I just use Google maps
Wot
Imagine not atlassing your textures and having more than 10 materials on an MMD-based avatar.
Atlas joke @full tiger
is there really anything stopping people from making furmark avatars?
I'm going to bed, goodnight random people
night!
furmark?
the gpu stress test program
There is not
Oof
I mean, if you made a fur shader maybe. But if you went around fucking with people with it that's a great way to get blocked and possibly banned.
I have 15 cuz i have weapons and emissions
i love the freedom, but man can it be abused
sadly
You might be able to cut down on that a fair bit with emission maps @vocal shard
Depends on your setup.
Are each of those a material?
pleas e say no
he pleads the fifth
Pretty much the only justifiable reason to have more than one material is if part of the model needs a specific shader to look right and can't be modulated by a texture of some sort.
For example, I am a lazy shit and I could bring my avatar down to 3 materials from 4.
Body, Skin, Eyes, Hair.
I could easily 'merge' the Eyes and Body as they both use the Unity Standard Shader, I'd just need to make a smoothness map that sets the eye regions to what they need to be.
It'd be difficult to merge the Skin with anything as I have a (work in progress) pre-integrated subsurface scattering shader on it which would be a bugger to even try to merge with, say, the hair or eyes.
one material in one thing but definitely not 10+
smoothness map?
i wouldnt call 4 a lot
but definitely hard cap at at least 10
(which is still way to many but a reasonable hard cap no one should be crying over)
At 10? then nothing would improve lmao
that is what you think
I have not found an avatar that did not have dupe materials that resulted in 10
a lot of mmd's have many materials
aint a lot of work yes
but only if people care
yes, 10 is definitely a lot optimizable
Being forced is away to care--
but a no brain cap people should not cry about
Else peeps would not decimate stuff
unfortunately atlasing is not as simple
cat's definitely can be a help but breakt so many stuff at times.
but at least force partial atlasing
Cant cat like do that fully automated for most stuff
the auto atlasing unfortunately is not that great
Well i get that as its something hard for a program to do
the thing is it lacks some functions i dont understand why they arent in there
it always scales and tears meshes apart
But even manually
I have not found a detailed or easy tutorial for it (for VRC alone)
But for normal blender stuff and unity exporting i found a few that go pretty detailed into stuff
there is no function to only allow it to move meshes and not scale them so they 100% are the same textures just ab map of them
also i'd love to see 8k texture support
8k texture support would be lewd
where the wakanda avatr at?
cant use the chair on my avatar anymore. RIP fun
The chairs will be coming back in the future
I dont even wanna see 4k irl people.
8k textures is like madness
Fuck, i still dont want HD people and their greasy pores
Blackheads everywhere
it always is
Have a beautiful day everyone

@ruby needle Pretty sure 8k textures are supported, they're the max unity allows if I remember correctly. Just have to make sure you set the size limit to 8k in the image import settings.
I'm contemplating selling my Switch for a mixed reality headset
man there's one thing i'd love to get out of vrchat rn, and that's to have 25 people in The Great Pug at once and get constant 90 fps
If everyone has perfectly optimized avatars that aint to much of a problem
If you head to the improv theater there's a blue & white avatar pedestal in there that's very high performing. Get everyone into that and you'll all have 90fps in most places.
It's a shame that so many people just don't care about performance at all
It's what the 20k poly limit is 'supposed' to be for, to subtly nudge people towards optimization research.
Isnt that avatar just one draw call?
Yup.
Then like 3 peeps with that avatar is like one normal avatar then 😂
There's one backstage that you can't get to without the passcode (no I don't have it and won't give it out if I did) that's one draw call and has no IK so it's insanely well performing.
No ik? thats pretty neat
We did a test once with a very full theater (30+ users total) and the framerate shot up when everyone was forced into it.
It just sucks when someone has an avatar where every individual strand of hair is simulated 🤔
i mean i'm exaggerating of course but you get what i mean
Then you yell at those peeps
Tell them there avatar laggs and they should feel bad ad need to learn how to optimize stuff
Ow for real though
there are legit people with that out there
And they are ignorant about them being laggy
The best way to do it is confirm that their avatar is causing fps drops, then offer to help them improve it.
Telling someone their stuff is shit and just leaving it there helps nobody and is more likely to make them hostile towards you.
If you're going to criticize someone, at least try to offer a solution.
Unless they're a friend and it's kind of a running joke how they're 6 meshes and 7 materials. ;D
Well ofcours you do not say it like i just said it xD
You explain it properly and get them-- Well gallium is saying the stuff
CPUs should hurry up and get better already tbh
Game engines just need to be able to thread better.
... Ohh, it runs on one core?
Recent versions of unity and unreal and such are getting better at it though.
unity 5.6, and by extension vrchat is very limited to one core, with maybe some small bits and pieces handed off to others.
oof, there's your problem
Yup.
Well, people should still try to optimize their stuff, but
Wait the unity version can run more then one core right?
Was it not a lot of other factors that could not?
A game engine that fully threads everything (and I get how massive a task that is) would run amazing on my threadripper
It would help pretty much every modern chip, tbh
Man just a quad core engine could do wonders for most games
But yeah, Threadripper would demolish stuff
Yeah
Most cpu's got a quad by now
Especially if it benefits from hyperthreading
Jup
I was gonna get an AMD chip but the 8700k was compelling, not gonna lie
I've only ever had AMD cpus on desktops, and intel on laptops.
Not sure. I pretty much upgrade my desktop once every 6-7 years or something, and go all the way each time.
Well same
So uh, how long does it take you to be allowed to upload avatars? I already put in like 20 hours or so logged through steam and ehhhhh, i kinda hope it doesn't take too long since i already spent a decent amount of time in the game
I think it's based on your logged in time with a vrchat account. If you're logging in with steam I don't think that counts.
yeah that's why i'm asking actually, i put in all those hours in the steam account and i just now learned that you need to be logged with the vrchat one to use the unity features, si just kinda hope i don't have another 20 hours to put in just to do that stuff
This is my first Nvidia GPU and I'm probably the only one to say this, but I wanna go back to AMD
Just gotta wait 'til they have a card that beats the 1080 Ti ;p
The 1080Ti's are pretty damn nice though.
Could try email support maybe zoinks asking for time swapping? Maybe they can do an upload check on ya steam acc and copy paste it 
I don't really like mine, it's kinda finicky with the clocks
Sometimes it'll do this weird throttling thing where it says it's running at a high clock speed but the FPS gets cut in half
Check ya connections then
Hm, never encountered that with mine. Then again, mine are in my linux system.
They're fine, it only happens when I OC it over 1961 MHz
popcorn
Which is still odd, temps are fine
Ah, I don't OC mine so that's probably why.
Unlike with other GPUs it's completely safe
Worst you'll get is a crash
You can usually get a lot more power out of it just by setting the power target higher, which is still in board spec
But neh, I got kinda unlucky with mine, oh well
Oh wow, OCing nvidia cards on linux is surprisingly easy. Gonna have to at least enable the options when I get home.
could i run VRchat in VR on a laptop 
i know it doesn't pass the steam vr requirements but i don't mind not having a constant 90 fps
although i also hear there's some BS with nvidia optimus on most laptops that causes a slight delay on headsets
Well your laptop doesnt just have to be strong enough it also needs enough ports
that depends on the headset really
i don't know how many ports something as complex as the vive would require but surely there are some headsets that don't need a ton of ports
vive uses loss the ocu
i'm not really in a position to be able to afford either of those
if i got VR it'd probably be a mixed reality headset
Dont know about those so cant help with that
i haven't looked too much into specifics but they're supposed to have everything built in
the headset itself tracks the movement of the controllers
anyways yeah i wanna know if other people have tried VR on non-VR ready laptops and if it's good enough
WMR headsets should be much better to use on laptops than other ones if you're gonna do vr on a laptop is all I know
Because they don't require as much resources to run as vive or rift
hmm, interesting
So if playing on desktop is totally out of the question then I'd recommend looking into getting a WMR
yeah i don't have a desktop
nor can i afford to upgrade to one at the moment
i'd probably have a WMR headset by now if it weren't for the concerns with not being able to run anything well enough
i know i probably could but it's still a lot of money to risk
Going with a WMR for now and get another VR HMD few generations later works too, if you got a better pc then
maybe i'll actually have a job by then so yeah
Might be better off asking on any of the VR subreddits if your specs are good enough for WMR
will do, thanks
also speaking of later generations of VR the stuff oculus showed off a while ago was pretty awesome
at least i probably won't miss out on that whenever it's commercially available
when you have a ryzen 1700x and a 1080 and only 3 people in the room
and only get 30 fps max
does it fluctuate below 30 or is it locked there?
sounds to me like it could be an issue with some setting somewhere that's artificially lowering the framerate
or the ppl in your room have horrifically optimised avatars 😛
i mean yeah but i don't think only 3 people would impact performance that bad
what world were you in?
oh
what world lol
@kind folio
hi
It's possible. One of my friends has a tiny fireball effect which almost halfs my FPS if I look at it
Hi
So it's equal to about 15 avatars
Why is the shininess to my armor gone now?
did you wash it 🤔
Did you accidentally press ctrl F?
Ctrl F seems to be removed
Could be that he pressed it earlier and didn't notice.
2018.1.1 enabled a feature to convert shaders on non-friends to Standard with Ctrl-F. This feature is not complete or ready for release, so it has been removed
if you're using a standard shader then it depends on the lighting in the world
most worlds have ok lighting but quite a few of them have bad lighting which makes normal shaders look horrible
flat colors or just completely black with no details shown
Making a generic avatar with that animation applied to it
And switching to said avatar
but how does that make it loop automatically 🤔
Could just use the debug feature
The joke is that generic rigs are bugged and emotes never stop
@vocal shard if you want to loop emote-style animations and have a stop button, you'll want them on a gesture instead
Disable your own mesh/skinned mesh renderer, enable a duplicate of your model which plays the animation
Lmoa
do you guys know if vrchat have any ports that i should open? Because i think my router might be blocking something from vrchat
i just keep having trouble with loading screens
i think it uses random ports, just opened it twice and the ports were different
its probably related to server issues or your network connection
the thing is, nobody else who i play with is having trouble with it
I mean ur name is loading
@analog hull wait what is exactly happening? Or is it fixed now?
i just get stuck on loading screen, saying "loading" for so long, and then it just disconnects and connects to my account again some times, and alot of times just end up on a private world (when trying to join friends)
@vocal shard to enough space on your hard drive
each world you go to install on your hard drive
theres more than space xD
like, its not downloading that is the problem, its the loading itself
stupid question how do i request a mod
#moderation-reports @vocal shard
fill out the form
Is the 24hr 1 map limit based on time last map was made public or public requested?
Is there a way to automatically delete files (textures,models,materials,shaders etc) that u dont use in ur unity?
Lets say i have 500 files and i dont use 100 of them.
Is there a way to somehow let the program see which file isnt used at all and delete it?
@zinc solar public requested from what i know
@vocal shard https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/HOWTO-exportpackage.html and it will only have the stuff you used for that object
Hmmm... That makes me curious. are unused assests/textures I never use in my map that just take up space affect map? I'm usually messy and never organize things and keep assests I usually replace later on in a random folder
i have
Mhm alright, its not exactly deleting it but its exporting things the project uses.
So i could do that export thing, then simply remove every file from project and re-import the things i exported, right?
(wow explaining 10/10)
yea, in a new project
i think that would work
Oh in a new project, i was thinking about just re-importing the exported files
I dont really know how to explain that properly but i can just try it myself in new unity project
Sorry lol
importing a package would just merge/copy, so you'd still have all the unused leftovers in your assets
but yea, starting a new project and importing your package would be a clean start-ish kinda deal
Thats why im going to delete all of them first
Then import the exported files
that could work! as long as you have stuff backed up just in case
Cuz doing that the way like on the "tutorial" it only exports used files
it doesnt export unused files
Ima create new unity project in a few and try it
ah man i wonder what a VRchat world with a curved world shader would be like
possibly nauseating
but would be cool to have an animal crossing kinda effect
Oh wow, i used shader renders double if not more in VR
fucks with ur eyes "a bit"
means something with a material scuffed
I used that shader on not moving cube in my world
Well weirdly enough some updates won't load for vrchat unless you 100% quit discord and try and run through steam
should make a new material with a diff name but all the same textures and stuff, should be fine, unless it's literally a shader just not built for stereo rendering
Second thing, i think
My friend has a model thats an image but if you see it in vr you see like 8 of her
4 on your left eye 3 on your right
Or a 2d model to be exact
i can write one, nbd
Oh shoot
Would censored body pillows be counted as 'too lewd' if I censor with uganda knuckles face?
101%
i was kinda wondering for a while why we cant see our online friends anymore on the vrchat website

Hiya quick question, anyone here having random problems since steamvr updated with vive controllers and sometimes baystations stop responding
Or the baystations turning off mid use
There is a guy who keeps going to the Never have I ever map and his avatar always crashes everyone
It's a lewd anime image. be careful in that map
Report him at moderation@vrchat.com and throw your output log with it
Then they can find out who did it and get him banned 
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
to get the log btw
His name is Gakuto
He jumped in lobby when I default all the avatars and everyone crashed as soon as he jumped in
just send output log lol
yes send the log, while it is the most likely assumtion it can also have been bad timing
^
me; waiting for vrchat to fix that bug that makes you join your friends previous world that they went to when following them

I only get that if I havent updated when a update came otu
thats more likely a server issue rather than a VRC bug
this game is always broke, i want my money back
it WAS FREE
deathrap
Boobytrap
goobertrap
Goofygoobertrap
yeah
traps?
yeah
@vocal shard I do
two questions:
- does your hip/legs rotate? im finding a lot of conflicting reports on this
- do you use driver4vr or kinectVR?
thank you!
Oh also, if anyone has done this ? https://vrcat.club/threads/vive-trackers-with-oculus-rift.1552/
With the current version of driver4vr, there's 3 methods for leg rotation. The first uses inverse kinematics, which does it based on the rest of your body. They also have two other options of directly using the kinect skeleton (which is very beta at the moment) and just using the orientation of the headset.
But of course, using the kinect will be nowhere near the accuracy of the vive trackers.
thank you! its been a bit hard to find anything. also, im already aware about the vive trackers thing. unfortunately i only have an oculus, but fortunately i already had a 360 lying around
bought the PC adapter a few days ago 😄
I have an xbox one kinect, but sadly the adapter for it has been discontinued
me too, when i saw that it was $260 i just walked away 
hmm
i forgot that the kinect works for full body tracking
can it be combined with any VR setup?
considering the standalone xbox 360 kinect is pretty cheap using it for tracking sounds interesting
if possible i might consider trying to use that if i get a WMR headset
can anyone point me to a good and reasonably priced 360 kinect adapter?
wow, never use vridge/riftcat
it like, never works.
after about 10 minutes your phone overheats and then in the future if you wanna play again it just doesn't sense your phone lmfao
what?
whats vridge? @iron heart
its phone vr for pc by using an app on the app store and using a task on your pc
oh well whatever i fixed vridge jn
then i remember how disappointed i was last time cause every time i go online
I think he mean to essentially use your phone as a vr headset
there's like screaming BR kids
and then there's hella french people
._.
least i played a bit
man, i totally prefered ugandan knuckles cause at least they spoke english, ffs
yeah
There is a way to do it with like google cardboard and Samsung gear vr. BUT. You run into the problem of latency because it uses a network like Wi-Fi or Ethernet.
Hi
Salutations
There's a third party company making the Xbox One kinect adapter now
Prices will drop soon
would you say it'd be worth waiting for that to happen or should i just buy an xbox 360 kinect as soon as i can
1 is definetly better than 360
I would say, 360 is not worth the trouble.
Because setting it up might be a nightmare for some.
is there any word on when the xbone kinect adapters will be available?
with how expensive they seem to be right now one might as well just get a vive
yeah.
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yeap.
Eh, I don't know. Might as well get a kinect for pc, it's cheaper than an adapter...
honestly all these workarounds are shit lol
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Let's go rant on their forums like people do on this discord, it will speed things up for sure.
I just bough the kinect v2, gonna solder on a power adaptert
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Wot?
there are kinects for PC?
Yeah, there is.
hmm
on the outside it appears to be identical to the xbox 360 kinect
is it any good?
oh wait it's also kinda expensive
I don't know if it's any good.
It doesn't work very well. You can get the Kinect v2 (One) for 40 USD I guess, then you can solder on a 12V power adapter yourself if you know how to do that.
yeah... i don't
then you can buy the super expensive adapter :b
12v how many amps?
Saying as if every single person can soldier stuff as if it was unwraping a candy.
3A
check it out on youtube first, the tracking is pretty limited and it's a bit of work to set up
kinect tracking
e w
now now
its not good lol
not everyone can afford the fancy bourgeois vive
its like subpar even compared to WMR
Dual kinect!? haha ive seen some examples of that and it looked pretty good
even just one kinect looks fine to me
it's a little janky at times but seems good enough
;O
L O L
I mean, I use WMR and I don't mess up that often
You can use vive trackers with oculus but pretty sure you need vive base stations as well as the oculus ones. 
true 💸
A person over in #full-body-tracking posted a showcase and a set up guide.
only Kinect and ps move controller
people were just talking about how the kinect is bad 🤔
yea, its an alternative but its dogshit lol
if you want perfect fullbody you buy vive tracker
i didn't say perfect
just good enough
kinda like how i'm planning to settle for a WMR headset instead of a vive
Xbox 1 then
so is the xbone kinect actually decent? maybe people are just calling the 360 one shit
360 verison hard get it work
1 is actually decent.
xbox one work with driver have window 10
oh, alright
so whenever the price of the adapter for that drops would you recommend it?
360 is a matter of luck, for some it's a nightmare to set up. For others, it's not.
check local game store might cheap one
I would.
use adapter
also, just for reference, how much would a standalone vive tracking setup cost?
i don't actually know the exact cost of the standalone trackers


I got 360 from a friend for a symbolic €10. I was lucky it wasn't too much of a nightmare to set up. It works, uh, fine, does it's job good enough for others to go "woah, legs" but it's barely satisfactory from my point of view.
i asked before but nobody seemed to have an answer, is there any word on when cheaper xbone kinect adapters will be available?
If you haven't got an answer, that means no one knows.
Anyone else have the problem where anything in vrchat takes an eternity to load? Since last night it’s taken me like 20 mins to load any world or avatar
how do I take out oculus rift controller battteries x.x
they are like supe rstuck
im scared of getting shocked lol
Controller batteries shouldn't shock you
Does VRChat run on Vista (Windows)?
seem to be crashing as soon as i get in the home in vrc wonder why
So does it?
I think most here have win7 and up. Its always worth a shot to try.
If you do end up trying it id like to know how it goes and if it does work or not
Okay
blicky stiffy uh
Umm wat
is anyone else having trouble with the vrchat mods site
Everytime i've tried to download a model it gives me a size of 0 kb
i recall someone saying that we're not supposed to talk about that site here
though i don't recall seeing it in the rules so i'm not sure
hm.
dunno where this would go cause im a derp, but where do i find the new ik follower thing in the unity sdk?
yeah
hey guys where do i go to get crash logs to report players whose avatars crashed my game
actually i can probably find those in the game's files on my own
hmm, the last crash doesn't seem to have registered as a crash
my whole game froze but i closed the window myself so i guess it doesn't count it
rip to reporting whoever that was
Will they ever raise the poly limit? i mean tupper himself said that polys aren't the main issue, dynamic bones and ( i forgot ) are
@graceful gorge mostly like not
As I understand it, draw calls are the most disruptive part of avatars
(having many of them)
Yeah
Help.. my avatar is inside the floor
@ancient kayak go to #avatars-2-general for help with that
Can a staff member deal with two hackers if I provide the usernames? I'm too lazy to use the report function
But if you search their name on the website, their profile pictures will show up as blank
no
support is only handled trough official ways pretty much everywhere because it needs to be tracked and processed correctly
you will also need to have some kind of prove
It can't load their image at all, image source is just a broken HTML tag. I'm 99% sure it's because of the "no avatar" hack
submit a report torugh teh normal way, include the output logg
well that is the name you saw
doesnt matter
they can change it
They can't
they can fake nemes yes
There's no numbers after his name, it's not a steam account
The account exists on the website, and its image is bugged
Any account called "VRCHAT ADMIN" should set off red flags. The user is also online still
if that is the case
submit a report
that should be prove in it self that that account isn't really there for good use
He crashed a friend, not me, I have no log. The name and glitched image should be proof enough though
Blocks are also logged, he should have quite a few by now
again, report trough the official document
cant you get your friends logs?
That's so much work for dealing with someone obviously bad
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
private support is not a thing
support in nearly any companie is handled trough tickt systems for logging and archiving
@tacit plank
you should have red the messages Acorn
send that file to support@vrchat.com
or tell your friends to
if they were crashed
lol
Any staff reading the chat can look up the avatar as well as his mute/block count in 2 minutes though
the amount of time we talked here you could have filed 10 reports 😄
lol
Yeah fuck that still
your not going to get much help without officially reporting it

That's like having to file a police report while being stabbed, it's stupid and I refuse to do it. I will tell my friend that it's a possibility for him though
I’m not sure the problem but since last night loading anything in game takes over 10 mins. I’ve checked everything on my end
did you clear cache, temp and reg already?
Yes
did you do it twice?
Some players have that
There’s nothing left in the cache
I know that fullbodytracking can mess with wireless internet
i know... twice was a joke 
But no other guesses
but only the cache or the temp and registry also
its ironic because police will not help you if you're being stabbed
Not in England maybe


documenting and writing reports is a big part for things like police, and other emergency services
because it needs to be documented for the system
still, you will need to add to the report
you will be questioned and give all details after beeing stabbed
here you just fill in the form and done


or u know theres a 3rd alternative
accept that crashers & model thieves are probably always going to be an issue and move on with your day 🤔
moderation have to go though process before banned someone because if banned wrong info be more of headache for them reason they tell them to email them to them
if more report that same person more like doing something
@raven silo 
@graceful gorge
@graceful gorge ?

You mentioned me earlier instead of another Echo you were talking to. :3
This is the third time it's happened to me!

The proof is already there, was my point
It's a useless log for the staff
not if some other player crashed them, they use it to get info on who to ban.
or something along those lines
We already know who
And logs can be faked, so they will likely also check on their end... So my point is that they might as well do that to begin with, as we know it's a troll already
they dont nessesreily ned the log to take aktions
the correct one is
ctrl+f "username1", replace it with "username2". It would take 10 seconds to frame someone
nobody
but they need an official report to track in the support system
That's not how it works
and it wouldn't be that easy to frame someone i'd imagine lol
They provide a ban reason, that is automatically stored.
If an admin himself comes across a troll, it's not like he'll use that report form. He will just ban the person
i'm sure mods are decent people who at least check content a user has before they ban them
so
It wouldn't be easy if the logs are validated by the staff, which means that they have something better to rely on anyways
it is a complete differente scenario if a team member does it tho
^
and they will definitely fill in infos after that too
you know you can always ask for ban reasons via mail
why do you think you can do that?
cus they logged it
cus there is a ticket for that case
Well, I provided the username, so any mod can join them and check out what they're doing. Log is useless still
It's logged when you ban someone, yes
They want the log when it's unclear what happened
they dont have the time to manually do that tho caffeine. thats what they do with in game reports but not with external ones
tfw someone looks and me and goes "hey he looks like he knows a thing or two, ima ask him for help!"
But there's nothing to be uncertain about
you said they crashed your friend though
so your friend needs to send his log
at
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
magic
I know where the log is
the log is gone by now most likely
prob 
since it still gets overwritten
which means mods will prob not be bothered to look at it since no file
i think they should create timestamped logs and like keep the last 5 or so
My point is that the log is useless bureaucracy in this situation
how tho
I already told you
One of the offenders is called "VRCHAT ADMIN", which is not allowed
Any information provided would make VRChat staff look into the information server-sided to validate it. So the client-sided part (the output log) is near useless
its not useless cus they can use it to find out where to look
!online
There are 7253 users in VRChat currently
it is the dead of night in one of their most popular regions
the guy is still online
https://vrchat.net/home/search/vrchat admin
Look, his avatar icon won't even load
its not that hard, really
You do it if you think it's important
Hm, prof icon wont lead for me either... Maybe I should log in.
I'm too lazy to put effort into the exams which decide my future, so uploading logs is out of the question
Smart!
i dont have a pc so i cant 
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im not really sure that your whole 'his avatar icon wont load' cause if you actually click on the name it will load.
^
I<3BUGS
its a person named vrchat admin
lol yea
Anyone else getting stuck in the galaxy opening scene with no login popup showing?
Your alone in deep space
RIP bella
And with this bug. JK idfk, but Im unfamiliar with this issue
rip leave an f in reaction to pay respects
When searching, only that guy and his friend would show up as blank
But staff will know if it's a coincidence or not
I deleted the cache folder, & reinstalled the game but still no login popup is showing 😦
desktop & VR both not working
OOF
Ever Uninstall and delete the "VRChat" folder as a whole then reinstall?
yea
👀
delete system32
Thats just my be all, end all answer to an unfixable bug.
I get stuck with just the vrchat loading box and then an empty room
hot
It would take about 10 mins to get anything loaded but now it’s just done
Hawter
Fine, search "tenshi_" then, his avatar is blank too and he's also using some sort of hack
It will show the default vrchat robot
But he's using a custom avatar (or at least he was at the time), and every other avatar loads just fine on the website
what if he just uses the default avatar? 
Umm, ive had inaccurate prof pic avatars displayed before on my account. Almost as if it just takes a while to swap icons sometimes.
You can't crash people with the default one, neither have I seen him with the defualt one. Only those two's avatars fail to load. There's a hack which makes you appear invisible in game.
I doubt it's a coincidence
you can find the defalt models on mixamo cant you?
Transparent materials maybe?
If they're modified, they're not the default avatars
da
duh.
Uses default avatar model. By default the model is visable. Once model senses in-game use or user triggers an action the avatars materials swap to transparent ones, maybe?
This is what the game reports as his avatar:
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/vrc-uploads/images/image_1200x900_2016-11-29_21-47-25.png
That is the original robot from 2016, the avatar URL doesn't even look like that anymore. Thus, it can not be uploaded by him
If he had modified a default avatar it would look different
or
you know how people put pictures on their avatars infront of them?
what if they put the pic infront of it.
hmmmmmmmmmm
You guys aren't listening

no u
we are
That avatar is uploaded in 2016
yeah
By the VRChat team
yes we are, you just arent aware of how crafty people are
yes
Hi Im Bored: "you know how people put pictures on their avatars infront of them?"
I think maybe
Yes, that would make it a 2018 upload
maybe
that one is from 2016
and?
how do you know when they are uploaded?
waiiiit, are you saying that there is a recorded prof pic upload date attached to each prof pic?
It is with 100% certaincy the default robot avatar, uploaded by vrchat staff and not modified by anyone for 2 years
Yes
Where?
^
I send the link before, no? In there it was
So its recorded in the image link
For older avatars, yes
where's it in the image link?
Yup, VRChat uses amazon
🤔
You're likely getting this then: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/vrc-uploads/thumbnails/194889991.thumbnail-200.png
Oh, we're talking about "vrchat admin", not Lethal's
I think acorn is comparing
for all 3 in fact.
as you said earlier "Your avatar is called "Jak(Jak2)"
It is uploaded this year" as if you identified it through the link as you did the other prof pic link that said 2016
So you're saying that every avartar is Jak?
No lol?
wut
Lolwut
Also Lethal, I can link your avatar preview image, but it contains some ID that may be your avatar ID or something else of importance
Im saying that ealrier you figured out my upload date. And you found out the other guys upload date. Im assumeing you found the dates in the same way as each other. Though mine doesnt have a date in the link, so how did you find it out?
oh?
There's two URLs, the thumbnail and the full version

It no longer gives an exact date, but if the URL contains the avatar name, it was made this year
I would like to compare. Can you link mine and other guys?
Ok, then where do you get the full version's URL?
https://files.vrchat.cloud/Avatar-Jak(JakII)-Image-5.6.3p1_.file_e2ff47c7-cb6d-4742-b1f4-10e0ae3cc552.1.png
Other guys avatar is further up
ok i misworded
Full
how*
https://files.vrchat.cloud/thumbnails/4084570603.thumbnail-500.png this is thumb
Full-sized images link, and you access full image by clicking on the avatar?
prolly through inspect element maybe.
Neither
...
then explain how to get to it already
It's not important
:<
tihs is like ayoutube vid that ill take2 secs and its being dragged out for 10 mins
It's even besides what we were discussing
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yea but how'dya get to it 
just report it.
It takes 10 minutes because you want me to prove every line that I say lol
Cause you fail to explain well in the first place
yeah and every ten mins you waste talking wtih us you could have just reported it.
I'm stating things, just take my word for it
hard thing to do. I dont know you personally XD
thats like telling someone 2+2=17 for a test answer and it actually being 2+2=4
Hm, stretched comparison. But ok
🤔
you stating things could also be stating wrong things is what im trying to get at
^
I'm telling you that there's a troll, and you won't believe me. It's not even my problem to begin with that you doubt me
we already know he's a troll lmao
Well. I would love to believe you. Then again....
if theres a troll block them and move on.
Just thought I'd report their names so the staff had an easy target if they had time
someone's using some shite that's displaying pornographic images on my screen
lmao
i can't even tell who it is
dude nice
so i can't report them for now
just report it already my dude
Safe mode

I'd rather stab myself, bored
yeah i say taht about alot of things but i still do them.
Oh, I'm serious
its called doing it and gettting over it.
u
my dude Haganeth go into safe mode
well then do it by process of elimination.
go into safemode
'or switch worlds.
lol
What I do with bubblegum boobs
but yeah be warned there are now people with avatars that can fill your screen with porn
if there weren't already
im bored with that topic now
thats been around for a while
^
i didn't know it was possible to fill the entire field of vision with an image
well.. now you know
ive only seen large mostly clothed juggs and ahego so far

hah, idk
and what are "bubblegum boobs"?
acorn do you have betterdiscord?
no
Princess bubblgum model heavily modified by me to be even more sexy
isn't betterdiscord now against the ToS
skin tight, and nips poke a little
no
no?
weird
its just not supported by discord.
could've sworn i saw something along those lines a while ago
it is just somthing that makes discord look less bland
an addon for it might be against ToS but BD in itself isnt
btw the glasses our outdated and are see through with live blinking animations
im about to hop on vrchat rn actually bout to meme it up with my loli voice and then my normal one that kinda sounds like a boy to mess with people, long explanation imo but im tired and rambling
what's the Japanese character for "ch" ?
i hate my voice so much
people always mistake me for a boy
having a tin can mic doesn't help
hewwo
non
oui oui
baguette
does anyone know the game Chaos Legion?
good morning 
good morning
Mornin' Chipp
why r nearly all the friends i've made off vrchat so bad w responding to discord messages
@vocal shard I was jokingly implying that you don't have any friends other than yourself.
@wide merlin you make me cry
First the owo, then the world.
what gaming videos should i make for my youtube channel?
or should i start livestreaming instead
Is it just me or uploading avatars doesnt work?
ikr
same
and also something else strange happens. whenever a friend leaves it still says they are still in the same world im in
^ spent like an hour trying to find a guy, turned out he left the room before I even joined
Granted I did get sidetracked by people with funny avatars.
its illegal to lewd a loli BUT is it illegal if the loli lewds you? 🤔
Either way, in court she's gonna say that you lewded her.
I knows who you are, Chris Hansen, but you sees, I call yous Chris Handsome
xD
I approve
i heard youve been lewding a loli is that correct?
Who
(its a chris hansen joke)
You're a chris hansen joke
I came here looking for come Chris Handsome booty




