fresh tiger
they go into a spreadeagle custom animation
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
inner cape
dusky carbon
I really don't like the new sdk rules, there is no way to tell how long you have to wait in order to upload your own avatar
I understand what it is for and that's great but there should be a certain amount of time since I have been playing on this account for more than a day now
vocal shard
Did you tho
ruby needle
it is not just time
and 24h is also not confirmed but seems to be the time before no one has got it
you will also need to do stuff within vrc most likely.
standing around afk wont help you
else we would end up with afk instances of hackers or whatever farming time
little aspen
VRChat needs more furries.
umbral reef
And why do we need more sinners?
iron heart
Is it 2008 again where we fursecute
indigo fern
I thought we prayed all the sin away?
iron heart
Should i get out my pitchfork that has a little bell on it
umbral reef
Guess we need more praying n8 
indigo fern
my prayers are very strong, so we shouldn't need too much more
because im a holy man
indigo fern
sweats
little aspen
Who are you praying to?
umbral reef
Any normal god works
indigo fern
define "normal"?
vocal shard
A fiction character that was made solely for the purposes of the idea "If i believe in it will you believe in it too?"
That counts as a God?!
umbral reef
Aslong as it does not have lazer eyes il be fine with it
vocal shard
xD
iron heart
A fictional character to put faith into it to make it exist?
What, you mean like a girlfriend?
🤔
kindred glacier
is there a shortcut key to respawn
vocal shard
cunning acorn
Was just thinking the same thing :/
inner cape
Sup wolfie.
cunning acorn
Hai :3
inner cape
How are ya?
cunning acorn
Eh, ok. I am testing new models but Unity keeps freezing :/
cunning acorn
I do XD
inner cape
=_=
cunning acorn
lol
inner cape
Get rid of them, reee!
cunning acorn
haha
inner cape
Unless you have a ton of RAM
vocal shard
rich moth
rip my 8GB RAM
olive mesa
Question, is commissioning a vrchat server/room a thing?
twin spade
hi
merry canyon
elfin cloak
i just knew it that will come eventualy 😦
vocal shard
owned
shy nest
perfect timing, launch into vrchat and an announcement goes out 
upper ferry
I got a warning message saying that I can't upload content anymore! I've been playing this game for about 4 month, I usually behave myself and don't do weird things, why did I receive this!
Ps : I'm using a steam account so I actually don't really care XD
potent dome
#feedback security issues with hackers and models needs to be better.
I have a friend, who I'm going to get in here eventually, that has been hacked. We both provided awesome models to a small community called The OneShot Lounge, just for them to be ripped and tarnished.
upper ferry
Do I look like a hacker or someone fishy because my username is 963852(with steam account it becomes 963852 ae84) ?
upper ferry
Who said that I was asking this question because you said that?
upper ferry
Sorry! It must feel horrible, my friend made a mmd model, didn't give rights to be put in game, and found his model on VrChat, he was really disgusted
potent dome
k...
upper ferry
Yeah, and gave right only for personnal use or mmd videos
potent dome
it was pedestal work, we commissioned our models and were being nice..
upper ferry
Are you saying that you can take people's work and use it for your own goal like your own tool?
potent dome
Our models had rules of copy right proctection
upper ferry
You're basically saying that hackers are not at fault for stealing people's avatar
potent dome
yeahhh it called cache ripping is an issue
upper ferry
It's because they uploaded it to vrchat
potent dome
upper ferry
Basically, it doesn't change from what you said XD
upper ferry
Well people are hacking other people's original models...
potent dome
Right to fair use, but not modification
upper ferry
Also decimation is a modification
ruby needle
another issue is that a lot of MMD models base on tda stuff (bases)
ruby needle
and pretty much all of them are not allowed
upper ferry
Rofl
vocal shard
mmds are not very protected by copyright in themselves so they can't really whine if someone sees it in vrchat
upper ferry
... 
vocal shard
only if you make everything from scratch, yea
upper ferry
ruby needle
not only then acorn
potent dome
Our commissioners did for our models, made them from scratch
upper ferry
There are alot of boxel avatars
ruby needle
if you make a model of parts but within their rules you still have the copy rights for you edited model
vocal shard
but majority are made from other parts that aren't by any means restrictsd lol
restricted*
untold harness
Does anyone know if there is a world with a kazuma from konosuba avatar?
ruby needle
even if they arent restricted you can restrict YOUR work you did with them
vocal shard
either way if you upload them to the net you're gonna find someone misusing it either way
potent dome
We need it fixed, my friend took down a model from a world that was very popular because he got hacked big time.
vocal shard
lol rip
upper ferry
Do you think that's a good reason yo misuse it?
potent dome
only cause, it was that good of a model
vocal shard
you know what another reason is for me to "misuse" it?
i dont really give 2 shits if they say "you cant use this mmd i spent like 15 minutes putting together!"
plucky whale
ruby needle
Acorn... 
vocal shard
deviantart artists are stupid
potent dome
this was 2 weeks worth of work....
ruby needle
Acorn i really wish that you once in your live make something
and it gets stolen and claimed as someone elses
all over the place
vocal shard
i have lol, i wouldnt be assed to upload it to the internet anyways
only time i made stuff was for art class 
potent dome
This is a big deal for this server, cause of someone stealing it
dense orchid
So like.. whens there instance numbers thing ever gonna get fixed?
potent dome
this model was a big deal, and your not taking this seriously Acorn
upper ferry
I have made fan translations for other fans, only to find it uploaded somewhere else, without crediting, mentionned as their work, it's not really pleasing
potent dome
go troll some where else
vocal shard
im not even talking about your model creeper
im talking about shitty MMD models off of deviantart
lol
potent dome
¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper ferry
Life's sad
vocal shard
are you guys able to load into worlds fine?
and if one model is a "big deal" think about the people who've poured actual hours or days into all their models just to have them all ripped
upper ferry
Sometimes I get a constant 0%
upper ferry
That's what happening Acorn
upper ferry
Do you think it's so easy to make a 3d model from scratch?
vocal shard
im not talking about those ones
whats your ign name acorn?
it can be really easy, depending on the method
because I have to block you >..< I don't want my stuff stolen
same as here, idc if my stuff gets ripped tho
upper ferry
I was talking, from the very start, about models, not only one case...
vocal shard
lol
even oc models?
i dont have any
meep
theres some that i edited or whatever to personal taste but idc really
Lol wait until a hacker rips my ultimate model
T-Pose botw link
upper ferry
Yeah because that's someone else's work, which you don't think about it as your property
potent dome
Just wait until you have someone walk up to you and outright steal your model in front of you
upper ferry
vocal shard
ive seen the models i use in avatar worlds before
potent dome
cause that's happened to me
upper ferry
vocal shard
hell, ill even link the person who did the model i used
potent dome
upper ferry
I'm not saying that you should limit your self to the original char, but really, you should care about it a little bit
potent dome
You don't know about true care until you've had a model made to you that costed money or actually put time and effort in about your own content
upper ferry
Welp, feels useless to try to make him understand my point, he's still on one example...
raven silo
@vocal shard make sure your playback it set to your speaker that you want to be listen on
before turn on vrchat
potent dome
Is there a good way to suggest this to the Admins? For hacking problems?
upper ferry
I hated that everyone are using ooka miko, maybe that was a good thing, at least they got all rights...
raven silo
@vocal shard right click speaker icon click on playback device on your task bar
potent dome
I have anti-cache on our models and yet they are still hacked and decrypted
raven silo
@potent dome best thing to do stay away from public worlds
vocal shard
"anti-cache"
raven silo
report that person
vocal shard
lolwut
ruby needle
it cant really be prevented cus at some point all data to reconstruct it has to exists unencrypted on the client side
potent dome
we used cats copy-protection and a server owner found an easy way around it
vocal shard
jaz that doesnt work, if iirc some hackers can just do it from anywhere
dont even have to be in the same instancr
instance
potent dome
if they hack it, they don't get the frame keys and just a jarbled mess
raven silo
well only you can do ignore that person and make sure #moderation-reports
only thing vrchat tell you
upper ferry
Stil Acorn, you're being a real bother
potent dome
I have no cares, and your being obstinate
potent dome
none of your input is wanted
raven silo
admin only doing thing that fill out forum only then go though process make sure if it true
mroe people report same person
more like ban him
vocal shard
so what
its open server
i can give my input even if its not wanted
and i'm not being rude either
potent dome
upper ferry
That's called bothering
potent dome
almost cyberbullying
vocal shard
no?
upper ferry
Going to bed before he actully triggers me, even through the possibilities are very low
vocal shard
upper ferry
upper ferry
If you don't think that your opinion itself is rude... You may have been a polite person
vocal shard
it isnt?
turbid cargo
Anyone able to explain how events work? If I want to go to one, how do I find it?
vocal shard
raven silo
@turbid cargo go to vrchat event discord then talk to person who host that event
olive salmon
Hello, how much longer do I have to wait to make an avatar?
shy nest
depends, how long have you played vrchat for?
olive salmon
I played for 14 hours..
raven silo
@olive salmon 24 hour i heard
raven silo
yea it sucks how they doing it now but it was there way stop abuse avatar maker
ruby needle
the word around is 24h BUT that is not the only factor
standing around 24h wont get you trusted youll have to play normaly and not just idle around alone
and ofc not score negative points 
raven silo
lucky i start vrchat a year ago
if this was in place maybe would make me stop using it
shy nest
also realize that the play time needs to be on a vrchat account
raven silo
only way upload avatar
neat holly
Can I ask, does the avatar that i uploaded in the past get removed?
vocal shard
Okay why is the block system now limited to 5 minutes?! Pretty much destroys the purpose of having it by making it USELESS. And if it's people complaning about not knowing how to unblock, why not just impliment a block list section and button for unblocking people. Jesus christ. If I block someone being malicious, rude or annoying I expect them to STAY blocked. Not have to deal with their crap because the block system is apparently now completely useless.
/rant/
opaque remnant
can only hope it's a bug. there's also the fact that people you have blocked in the past can now see you while they aren't visible on your end
subtle frigate
;-;
vocal shard
Yikes
opaque remnant
but it's been like this for 2 weeks now
vocal shard
Well I said the first part of that message because I just heard that they actually changed it to 5minutes in the rules.
subtle frigate
https://imgur.com/a/Vk7FYss Doesn't everyone hate this message?
vocal shard
I apologise if it's a bug and I'm wrong. Which I hope I am but jesus.
opaque remnant
i have no clue if it's a bug, since i haven't seen any devs comment on it
raven silo
@vocal shard it be fix next update
vocal shard
Okay thanks. Sorry if I sounded rude. I just dealt with some nasty guy who despises "traps" and had to let me know how disgusting they and my avatar are. (Oh no a neko guy in a dress. Not like you can see anything, it's not lewd. just ugh) x-x
shy nest
so a felix avatar then
raven silo
every other patch break the block and mute system sometime
sometime forget it test them before release it lol
ruby needle
unfortunately thats not how it works
some things only break once they hit the mass
you can not reliably test everything
raven silo
Best working app would be never need to patch then when there golden
and when game done be developement
mmorpg and social app allway have bugs
agile moon
is anyone else having problems recently with players that spam entities and crash entire lobbies?
shy nest
thats been happening for a while my dude
opaque remnant
recently? been like this for months
i see two of the people that i know have been crashing the pug for weeks still walking around
agile moon
I havent noticed until like just last night
vocal shard
Yep felix. Though I edited the textures saturation. Since I prefer more contrast which said saturation provides.
agile moon
Doesnt help when a buttload of pictures of the exorcist child fly towards you in vr 😦
subtle frigate
a couple mins a ago
someone put a pic of hentai on the screen and you could not exit the server so i had to use task manager to close the weird shit
hasty wedge
did the panic button not work?
shy nest
nope, blocks are server side so they take like 5 seconds to apply for me (200 ping because no oceanic servers)
vocal shard
hasty wedge
vocal shard
south bone
south oyster
hello 😃
what was the command to play VRChat without my VR headset? Was it hold shift on start up?
vocal shard
lmao
@south bone i dont think they should even do an open mic until they fix crashers
ruby needle
command? steam should prompt you if you want to launch in desktop or vr mode
(as long as steamvr is installed)
south oyster
usually when I launch VRChat, it starts Steam VR and Oculus Home automatically
vocal shard
anyone else having issues with unity not wanting to load?
south oyster
Alright, ill give it a try 😃
subtle frigate
imagine this
someone in your game loads up a picture of some sort of hentai and your mom walks in....oh god that would be terrible.
vocal shard
Luckily I keep my door locked and my monitors don't face towards it. (That and I cover my Windows.......both for privacy and because my eyes are super duper sensitive to sunlight) As I have actually had that happen several times. But it wasn't hentai, it was mostly disgusting gore, and some other things I don't' wish to name or remember. It was those hacking raiders that were hitting the hub awhile back. Remembered having to hard-reset my computer at the time to get away from it. Then spend the rest of the day with safe mode on. x-x
dawn plinth
You can always minimize the mirror window of vrchat
dawn plinth
Dont think it makes a difference
subtle frigate
idk
shy nest
i just turn my screens off lmao
so its just me standing there waving my arms around like an idiot
vocal shard
Same, I play with my screen off
floral walrus
Is the uploading avatar stuff fixed now ?
vocal shard
What was the issue? I didn't hear
floral walrus
Just avatars not uploading
vocal shard
I knew that since the last update, if the upload image Box wasn't checked, it would loop forever. Didn't know if it was something new since then
floral walrus
Nono it’s just there not uploading in general
vocal shard
Oh... I was actually just about to start working on and testing some models... I guess I'll wait then. Lol
floral walrus
Yeah I tried a few hours ago and 2 wouldn’t upload like it say completed but nothing’s in game
vocal shard
Weird
kindred glacier
how do peoplke make this overlays
where u can see other peoples camera on your screen?
kindred glacier
@raven silo i saw a guy once with a mini gopro and everyone on the left corner of their screen could see him suck
raven silo
@kindred glacier has to be shader trick
best at ask somone or him what type shader there using
vocal shard
blender i SERIOUSLY hate you
you move my avatar when i hit edit mode an you wont stay where i need you
it doesnt normally do that when i switch from pose to reset...
which is weird as fk
scarlet musk
Hello everyone, such question. VRChat will be working with Pimax VR?
I mean with the "best picture quality"
Owner HTC Vive but the pixels...just tired of them
lilac swan
It'll work with any SteamVR compatible VR HMD
raven silo
@scarlet musk it work but big question how much longer you have wait lol
they delay it
scarlet musk
I work in the virtual reality laboratory in (sphere of entertainment) and just such interest
think, then better a bit waiting and testing this personally
tight egret
why is uploading stuck at processing upload?
scarlet musk
tight egret
i see
upper basin
how long do i have to wait for uploading custom averters
raven silo
@upper basin you just started?
upper basin
i have 30 somthing hours
tight egret
how long you had a vrchat account
upper basin
3 days
tight egret
i'd say give it a week or so, maybe longer
i only found i could do it today and i havent checked in about 2 weeks
upper basin
ok thx
tight egret
👌
upper basin
❤
scarlet musk
I'm using SDK for February 28 and it works without problems, but I'm not sure how "legally" to use the old SDK for VRChat uploads.
He just works, fine works.
raven silo
@scarlet musk vrchat has new Gating system for new user they have wait period
they cant upload when they just started vrchat
scarlet musk
i know
graceful dome
Avatar testing has ARG now?
uncut trail
Hmm need more scifi content
raven silo
@uncut trail there been alot sci-fi stuff people make
tight egret
why is it gaddamn impossible to find lol animations
how did lolking find them
angery
inner cape
League models are tough to make.
They have low res textures as well, which doesn't transfer into vrc well.
And with riot becoming better at encoding, It's getting impossible.
tight egret
i have a skarner model, just no animations with it or anything
wooxy doesnt get you banned does it?
inner cape
Nope.
vocal shard
I remember maining scarner. I love that champ lol.
It shouldnt be hard to animate him if hes rigged
inner cape
I still haven't played the reverted lb, she was my main back then.
dim aurora
lb is stupid strong atm
inner cape
Good.
tight egret
well, i did make a shite walking animation, cant upload it yet though coz the vrchat servers. dont even know what i'm doing really
vocal shard
Tbh im thankull that riot gave me 317 years to think about their game and actions.
That game is shit anyways
vocal shard
Good. Dont come back to it
come back to this game
tight egret
i just want to run around as me skarner boi
and i want Yorick
dim aurora
its still fun if you play with the right people
vocal shard
Do they exists anymore in that game?
dim aurora
sometimes
tight egret
some do
vocal shard
Last time i remember they banned all of them
tight egret
i had a guy gift me a skin coz i carried a game as nasus
inner cape
I tried getting project vayne. The textures looked so bad, I didn't bother working with the model...
dim aurora
is anyone hype for the new league support they are coming out with?
inner cape
?
dim aurora
theres a new champ coming out
No one cares
dim aurora
nah its fine lol
vocal shard
👋
dim aurora
im half asleep so im just rambling
tight egret
i hope it's a cool support
dim aurora
its suppose tohave a dark twist to them, everyones hinting at shark or something sea themed
im going with a siren for it
dim aurora
yeah but nami is all about 'im going to save the ocean and its people' kinda like moana from that one disney movie.
this one is going to be dark themed so prolly 'this looks like a nice death' kinda think idk
kindred glacier
beep
tight egret
indeed
inner cape
What is it?
ancient kayak
So basically , I made an animation. But when I activate the animation. My avatar is half inside the ground. How to fix that
I'm using emote override
inner cape
In unity or in game?
ancient kayak
Game
inner cape
Did you duplucate the avatar when animating?
ancient kayak
Yes
umbral reef
You made the animation on another avatar
Only recorded the hand/object movements and then override the animation on the main model?
ancient kayak
^ exactly
umbral reef
Because if so, you should take a peek at what you edited as the odds of there being the avatar being moved down is there
ancient kayak
I'm wondering how people made animation like bubbletop that works for everyone without causing any problem to other users
inner cape
You might have been in record mode and actually left a position key or something in animation.
Accidently.
umbral reef
bubbletop?
ancient kayak
@inner cape I don't think so
inner cape
Redoing the animation always helps me if I bork it.
vocal shard
U can check it potato, itll take 2 seconds
Redoing animation is pretty good option imo, if its not 50min long animation.
You can fix it and learn about it more
dire finch
Yo, sorry in advance cause this has deffo been asked before, but is there anyway to get better performance on the oculus. Have been asking around and essentially, vive users are getting 70+ frames, and most oculus people are getting 45 and below in the same places. Anyone know the explanation for this?
inner cape
Better hardware?
dire finch
7th gen i5 with gtx 1060
Not sure I should be upgrading for vrchat :/
Plus I met someone who had a 980 with vive and running it much better
inner cape
I doubt you did actual tests with exact same rigs with differrnt headsets to claim such things.
dire finch
It’s as best as you can do without buying multiple pcs
vocal shard
steam vr performance test?
dire finch
And I definitely would say that’s the case, ask round next time your in vrchat
Yeah comes out all good
inner cape
Also, they might have had a better cpu than you. VRC is really dependent on cpu, rather than on gpu.
dire finch
Naa they were all i5 or below
I know it’s cpu intensive
But the steam vr overlay and the oculus home I don’t think are playing well together
inner cape
And your i5 might as well be the problem. How much ram do you have?
dire finch
Apparently this wasn’t a problem when there was an oculus client
vocal shard
Supersamplimg maxed or something?
Dont remember how it was called but ppl max it to get better resolution but drops fps
dire finch
8gb is my ram, and I know it’s a bottleneck, but the guy running 980 had 8gb ram and was running be 70+ frames
No supersampling
umbral reef
a good i5 signel core outperformces any i7 with a worse one for VRC
dire finch
It’s on 0
umbral reef
Also
inner cape
0 supersampling, wot
umbral reef
You can lower VRC settings and disable any and all background programs
inner cape
Its on 1 by default...
umbral reef
You are in VR
Dont need anything but Vr games open man
umbral reef
You have none running or open?
Like disord has to be manually closed and not just press the X button
dire finch
And I shouldn’t have to turn the br quality to low (with left shift on start up)
Nothing else is ever open
vocal shard
As far as i know changing the quality doing the shift+ .exe or something is only for desktop mode
doesnt do shit for VR
dire finch
Thanks for trying to help guys, I’ve been trying to figure this out for days
There is an option for high vr quality settings and low, not sure if they work though
umbral reef
And i assume like everyone did here you clean your pc and take proper care of it
so not like my machine with an insane layer of dust on it
dire finch
It’s less than two weeks old, and I’ve clean installed it from official Microsoft 10 usb 4 times
vocal shard
The layer of dust is additional protection
lul
Question, is it just VRChat or u also have low fps in other games?
inner cape
Try other vr games.
dire finch
Onward has some issues, but apparently it hasn’t been optimized with oculus yet
All other oculus home games run incredibly well
Like they should
I know vrchat is in early access, but apparently it used to run much better on the oculus when it had its own client
vocal shard
Well the game works pretty fine for me
dire finch
You on oculus?
dire finch
Tell me everything lol
inner cape
^
dire finch
Maybe my pc is a bad egg
vocal shard
Or some PC parts u have dont like to work together
dire finch
The headset should be fine, it’s brand new from amazon
dire finch
And the pc was made by a reputable company, had it checked out by someone else who said it’s balanced and above average
Lemme find exact one hold up
dire finch
7th gen Kaby lake 7400
dire finch
Don’t worry, I had to triple check myself! Lol
dire finch
Euro can I ask how you are opening it? Is it straight from steam with the oculus home running aswell?
mighty galleon
-hugs euro-
vocal shard
I open Oculus platform, wait few seconds, open steam VR, click on steam library, VRChat - Play in VR
mighty galleon
so euro i found some of my hidden folders on my computer and man i have some pics of when i was 13
i look soooo uglyyyy
vocal shard
- Oculus platform
- SteamVR
- Steam Library - VRChat - Play in VR
dire finch
Out of interest, do you have the latest nvidia drivwrs?
Mine broke my pc when I installed it
inner cape
I r-click on steam in system tray - click Steamvr. It opens steamvr and oculus at the same time.
dire finch
Yeah there is a way to stop oculus from opening, and it runs better in my experiance
vocal shard
Newest one are 397.64
Im using 397.31
Oculus platform needs to be open otherwise ur vr wont work lul
inner cape
It won't work without oculus software running.
dire finch
Yeah it will mate
You can get it running just from steam vr
Go to properties on oculus and run only as administrator
vocal shard
Did u try to.. you know.. run vrchat with ouclus open?
dire finch
Yes, it ran the worst in that way
vocal shard
Interesting
Sometimes i have open google,discord,foobar,vrchat,oculus,steamvr,steam
and so on
open
and it works fine also
dire finch
Wow
vocal shard
Depending on the world and player amount/their models etc ofc
dire finch
Are you going to high populated places, like 25+ people in presentation room?
inner cape
I was once using unity in vr and uploading. Still worked fine.
vocal shard
I dont really count the players but it starts to lag a lot when theres more players than 16 i would say
vocal shard
Did u try to join for example pres. room alone?
inner cape
16gb ram
i5-6500 6th gen
1050ti 4gb
dire finch
But when I’m in the heavy populated places, it runs like junk, except for the people using vive in my asking around
inner cape
45fps most of the time.
vocal shard
Yeah, then thats the issue, too many players. Most probably more than 20k polys per each model, also materials and high quality textures + animations/particles
inner cape
Sometimes.
dire finch
Yeah I know that’s an issue, but it seems far less of a problem for vive users
vocal shard
Try to join populated world and see if u lag, if yes, randomly squeeze both of ur contoller buttons to enable panic mode, everyone except friends should turn into grey avatar and get muted (u can disable that later in system options). If ur fps increased after enabling panic mode then it means that it was just too many players
inner cape
3 people on small map - 90fps
Bigger maps with more people, it gradually reduces to 45 and 30.
vocal shard
Also for example in pres room, the more is drawn the less fps u will have
umbral reef
(poly count has nothing to do with frames though most of the time)
dire finch
Vive players don’t seem to have this much of an issue, even in highly populated places with many polys
dire finch
Yeah, but apparently this was not an issue for oculus when we had a dedicated client
Rather than having to run it through steam
umbral reef
Also as euro said
You dont think steam makes there Vrprograms not work butter smooth with there headsets?
dire finch
Think I’m just going to send that info to the support email
umbral reef
While others have to follow there guidelines and rules for it
dire finch
Apparently, vrchat was first made for oculus though... 😭
shy nest
oh shit ghost has the same gpu as me
vocal shard
It doesnt mean that it will work decent for oculus.
shy nest
now i dont feel as silly using a 1050ti
dire finch
That’s apparently what people are saying, that it did run far smoother when we had the client
inner cape
Cause I'm using it?
vocal shard
Anyways as i said, if u will have time, try to join even random high pop. public lobby and enable panic mode, have a look at ur fps before and after enabling it
shy nest
i mean just like, everyone ive met uses better gpus
umbral reef
Back then peeps also took there fucking time to make avatars work great
dire finch
Will give that a go, but I know that vive is having less issues, will just have to beg deva for oculus client again
umbral reef
instead of downloading them from unity ready upload websites where most of the time they are badly optimized
inner cape
shy nest
hell even people doing it themselves they still dont combine same materials/atlas ect
umbral reef
and shitty optimizing is a thing that can be done with a single button press
mighty galleon
euro
mighty galleon
remember the days i could suck you
vocal shard
40 mats
inner cape
Auto atlasing borks the model most of the time...
vocal shard
Lmao
You can do manual atlasing, looks better, works better, retexturing it is better
umbral reef
but for real though
I have the uv unwraping thing looks super complex and is really easy kinda...
Doing it manually takes 10 minutes at max and you can fix it up without a problem then
shy nest
woah woah woah, are you saying that i should put effort into making other people not lag? that is unheard of
vocal shard
Why would i even care about other ppl right?
inner cape
👺
vocal shard
Same to dynamic bones
Oh my hair has 200 bones
lets put 3x dyn bone script on them
shy nest
I have a max of 3 dynamic bones no matter the model
dire finch
Trusting all other people to have optimized avatars....
mighty galleon
ive never been lagged by dynamic bones
shy nest
anything more is gross and over the top
dire finch
Please don’t send me back to Rec room lol
vocal shard
I mean, its pretty hard to get lagged by one person
But if theres 20 players
with not optimized models
...
shy nest
drawcalls add up
mighty galleon
euro lags my heart every time i see them
vocal shard
pat
mighty galleon
yay
polar rose
most ppl i talk to generally advise to keep avatars under 5 drawcalls, yet i have MANY friends who do not merge materials or atlas resulting in 30+. considering how widespread i have found that to be in my personal experience, i'm really not surprised that the game lags so much.
rough pulsar
20 players, unoptimized models, draw calls out the wazoo, IK & dynamic bone calculations…
yeah pretty much anyone's gonna struggle if that's all on one thread.
vocal shard
Oh yeah thats cool also, not joined meshes
dire finch
You guys oculus or vive out of interest?
polar rose
think of it this way, a player who does not know how to optimise will have anywhere from SIX to THIRTY TIMES the performance impact
shy nest
im rift
rough pulsar
Vive/anything not facebook
inner cape
Oculus. Because hobo.
dire finch
Hmmm
vocal shard
Could i pm you gallium?
One of my friends sent me one message and im kinda curious about it
ashen hatch
Neither, I'm mixed reality
inner cape
🤔
vocal shard
Vive is pretty cool cuz well, its vive
rough pulsar
@vocal shard Go for it
shy nest
if the vive had rift controllers id have bought it, the controllers for the vive are pretty bad
dire finch
Have to agree with that lol
mighty galleon
rift holds on much better
shy nest
get the DAS sean
mighty galleon
das?
dire finch
Vive controllers do look like tv remote with donuts on the end!
shy nest
heard that makes the vive much better in regard to staying on you head/comfort
shy nest
deluxe audio strap
rough pulsar
Deluxe Audio Strap
massive improvement on comfort
mighty galleon
its stupid how they make it and want you to spend more money to get it more safe
shy nest
I will say though, htc prices are ouch
rough pulsar
Attach a small weight to the back for even better balance.
mighty galleon
i just want it to where it doesnt feel like its gonna fall off, rift made it to where it fully felt safe
shy nest
the og vive price is much better now being close the rift, i wouldve got it if it was the price it was now
and the vive pro? kek what a joke
vocal shard
Cant wait to sell my everything to buy 2 contanct lenses and something similar to swim suit to literally be in VR
mighty galleon
they should make it to where the head strap goes all the way to the back not to just the top of your head practically
inner cape
Been sweating in my oculus a lot lately. I doubt it's the weather. Wat do?
shy nest
that's the dream euro, will be sick asf when/if that becomes a reality
mighty galleon
rift does almost everything better in my opinion
shy nest
what sorta temp are you around where you live ghost?
ashen hatch
You could get a oddysey and Vive controllers +stations for around the price of a vive pro
shy nest
I ALWAYS have to run my aircon when using vr because I live in the tropics
mighty galleon
have you cleaned the foam?
rough pulsar
@mighty galleon That's pretty much what the DAS does, it's more like the Rift's strap.
shy nest
I feel its worth it if you're sticking with the vive but man the like $100+ price tag on it
shy nest
wow that is alot cooler than my aircon which is at 22. Is it in any vr game or just specific ones?
rough pulsar
The plus side to the vive is it's a SteamVR thing, so when better stuff comes along you can just swap out for it. Doesn't matter who from, Pimax, LG, whoever else is part of the SteamVR partner thing.
shy nest
Yeah, as much as I love the rift I fucking hate its walled garden and having to open its own software to run anytime I want to do something
vocal shard
We just have to wait a little bit more untill we get "DIY vive headset" videos lol
rough pulsar
@inner cape I've been getting noticeably toasty in my vive the past few days thanks to the horrid warm weather.
inner cape
The only other vr game I play is Beat Saber and, uh, that is sweaty for a reason, but vrc, not so sure.
rough pulsar
Unless I make some effort to equalize my face / vive lens temperature I get a bit of fogging up on the lenses
inner cape
It started in march, so I assume it might actually be the weather...
rough pulsar
Sounds about right.
vocal shard
Same here ghosto, i have only VRChat xD
inner cape
I get fog on my lenses after a couple of minutes already and it hurts my eyes like crazy to the point it becomes unplayable.
mighty galleon
never had a fog problem, most likely b/c i dont have humidity?
shy nest
I clean the lenses, turn on my fan for a bit and than go back in after a bit
inner cape
Taking it off every 5 minutes is rather unpleasant.
shy nest
I hate taking it off and on when im sweaty, feels gross asf lmao
rough pulsar
In winter I have to turn my vive on and wrap it in a shirt for a bit before I put it on so the whole thing has warmed up to close to face temperature.
vocal shard
Ghosto, maybe u should use one of those "special foams" ?
rough pulsar
I have this on my vive
https://vrcover.com/product/htc-vive-foam-replacement-6mm/
And it greatly reduces the nasty sensation after you've got all sweaty into the foam.
rough pulsar
Less skin irritation too, and the 6mm stuff gives a slightly higher FOV.
inner cape
And long hair is also gets everywhere. When I take it off after a couple of hours, I look so messy D:
I need to get a replacement as well, asap.
vocal shard
Hard part is to dont let ur long hair get into the headset
shy nest
ahh vr hair, a normal side effect
shy nest
i generally liked my hair long then i got my rift and was like fuck that and halved its length so i didnt have to deal with it getting in my headset
vocal shard
Fun part is that my bangs are similar to my ingame avatar lol
Feels pretty realistic when my hair gets into headset lul
inner cape
When you put it on and are like "oh, this is perfect position" and then see a bit of hair right in between your eyes and have to take it off and put it back on and it doesn't feel as perfect. D:
vocal shard
Also question, anyone tried "Oculus Debug Tool" to improve quality using the supersampling or something?
shy nest
supersampling? whats that? sounds like a heat setting for my gpu /s 🤔
inner cape
Better vr image quality
vocal shard
I just dont know if i should do that or not
If i destroy my pc/vr i wont get new one soon
;')
safe prism
ideally you wouldn't pay too much in FPS so long as your GPU has the power to spare, which it usually does in this game~
it wouldn't destroy anything
inner cape
I tried supersampling. I didnt notice the quality because my fps went down the drain
It doesn't destroy anything.
vocal shard
Something isnt right, why is vive 500€ now not 800€
Also the trackers are 100€ each
What happend?
shy nest
the vive pro came out
vocal shard
Man if not those controllers in vive
If vive is going to make similar controllers to oculus and it wont change the price much
im selling my oculus and my brother
and im getting vive
shy nest
there is the knuckles that volvo are developing but when they come out? nobody knows
vocal shard
Oh yeah heard about it
Butt
They are pretty neat
Where is the vive 500?
Their webside
vocal shard
Idk maybe im retarded but
It looks like full set
for 500
and even $ not € so its + for me
Alright hm, so..
anyone interested in 14y old body - boy?
Alive or dead ur choice
shy nest
wtf
dire finch
Will he improve my VRchat FPS?
vocal shard
Fkn taxes
Not really but he can give u additional layer of protection made by fat
Also ready player one add ewwe
dire finch
wink
vocal shard
Omg i know what i will do, i will burry him underground and ill sell his pc
shy nest
or just get a job 👀
alpine cove
I kind of regret not getting a vive
vocal shard
Same
alpine cove
I really want foot tracking
shy nest
you can use vive trackers with the rift
vocal shard
I mean, i dont move anyways, but just to show people that i am fucking sleeping
oh yiis
Wait
wait
wait
wait
what
alpine cove
Yeah, but you have to buy a vive lighthouse
shy nest
but you basically need everything but the vive HMD
vocal shard
Oh.. lmao
alpine cove
And ideally you want 2
shy nest
oh and the controllers, dont need those either
shy nest
no doubt
alpine cove
I’m just gonna get a Kinect and do the shitty full body
shy nest
i mean i hate facebook as much as the next person (deleted me account kek) but the tech they showed at their most recent event in regards for VR looks pretty damn cool
vocal shard
Oh?
Wus that
shy nest
varifocal lenses (lenses that move) which also ties into the eye tracking
alpine cove
The next Rift prototype they showed has a lot of insane things
vocal shard
Wait holy mly what
Vive 3-in-1 cable?
So u just have one cable instead of 3?
The sensors are
what
shy nest
eye tracking has sorta got me sus but the rest of it looks pretty legit
alpine cove
It has facial expression recognition too
vocal shard
Faceboookk...
shy nest
and the trackerless full body
vocal shard
I wonder WHY it has facial expression recognition
quiet perch
Im really hoping the pimax 8k takes off. Granted it looks like a spaceship strapped to your face.
alpine cove
Eye tracking hardware is like the one thing on it that’s already a proven technology
vocal shard
Lmao thats right, having battle cruiser on ur face sounds great
alpine cove
I’m curious how the eye tracking works in a headset though with variable lighting conditions
vocal shard
If the primax will cost less than 10€ im getting two of them
@alpine cove Light from game (lenses) goes to ur eyes?
Instead of leds or something inside headset
shy nest
pimax looks promising, havent taken the leap because they dont have a controller design down
quiet perch
With optional cooling fans! The eye tracking on the pimax literally looks like something youd wear like glasses so id guess it senses muscle movement.
rough pulsar
The eyetracking systems I've seen for VR use IR LEDs and cameras, so the visible lighting conditions inside don't matter.
quiet perch
Or maybe it uses a light we cant visually see @vocal shard
alpine cove
Eye tracking generally tracks light reflection off your eyes
vocal shard
Primax is basically putting gtx 1080 on ur face but with lenses
shy nest
so basically mini rift sensors in the headset
rough pulsar
Sort of.
shy nest
rift sensors uses ir LEDs and cameras, basically the exact same thing
alpine cove
I doubt the pimax is ever going to quite reach the quality level i’d want
vocal shard
Oh my.. i wish my FBI friend wasnt looking at me while i was using some VR-Fun webside that is definitely not for kids
rough pulsar
With the eye tracking the IR LEDs are purely to ensure the eyeball is sufficiently illuminated for the cameras to do their work. Pretty different to Constellation.
vocal shard
I totally forgot about it shiet
alpine cove
I need to remember to order a vrcover
vocal shard
Wait vive set doesnt inclue headphones?
shy nest
nope
shy nest
if you get the DAS they have some i beleive
but I do beleive the HMD has a port for headphones(?)
rough pulsar
The base Vive does include some earbuds (which I still use because on-ear headphones give me a headache)
vocal shard
Also looking at that the audio strap is balancing the weight more
Looks like it atleast
And it does look comfy
rough pulsar
The Vive has the following ports:
Headphone out
Power in
HDMI in
USB
USB accessory
If you have a cable that can fit (it's pretty limited on space in there) put one in, since then you can charge your controllers when they start dying after those 6hr+ vrchat sessions. ;D
ocean needle
raises hand
in #avatars-2-general are we allowed to ask about clothes for avatars eg "Has anyone found ..."
rough pulsar
@ocean needle As long as you're not breaking any of the #rules I see no problem with it.
olive salmon
24hours passed....
but noy yet allowed avater making
i'm not steam id, only vrchat id use
vocal shard
Despite what people have been saying. Being able to upload isn't solely based on your playtime. There are other factors that are included to you getting your upload permission.
Once you do get it, you will receive an in-game notification and an email saying that you have gotten the permission to upload user content.
floral aspen
^
vocal shard
I think I might have just rephrased what Zarni has said... lemme check.
Yep, definitely did.
vocal shard
It will arrive when it arrives.
shut scroll
got mail?
floral aspen
he means the email notification you get when you get permission to upload
raven silo
yea because vrchat some how forgot to disable chair on avatar but mostly like be remove next update
rough pulsar
It is going to be removed at the moment since it causes problems. It may return later when it can be done without causing other things to break.
slate shuttle
Oh, that would be sweet! 😄
floral aspen
the devs have said it is a planned feature, its just not ready yet
heady steppe
Hey what does VR Chat use for its lipsyncing? Or is it custom?
Anyone know?
I am creating a thing where I need live lipsyncing so it'd be nice to know
raven silo
@heady steppe a it visime basic shape of the mouth use blendshape
uncut trail
love people using crash gun in public lol
vocal shard
f
wide prism
Not sure where to post this but - BAAH why cant I join with others? everytime I join off a friend or enter a world on my own, it just puts me in a world by myself ;-;
uncut trail
another to report
heady steppe
What I meant is which plugin they use, not how to make the mouth shape @raven silo
heady steppe
Not what I meant
I am not trying to make a character
I am trying to implement lipsync into my own unity project
raven silo
best bet ask in unity development discord channel for that help if not for vrchat
heady steppe
Yeah that's what I'll do if I don't find out what plugin VRC uses
worthy pollen
why cant we not block people anymore?... everytime i block somone is comming back
raven silo
@worthy pollen it bug it be fix next update
somber rapids
Is bug
heady steppe
#user-support-old @worthy pollen
worthy pollen
ok
signal wren
What about the bug that prevents some being able to HEAR others if there ping gos up just the slightest
They can no longer hear anyone if the ping go's up after the new update
It's like one thing is fixed and 10 more things break.
floral aspen
thats the nature of Early Access
expect every build to have bugs until full release
kindred glacier
are there limitations for world
floral aspen
depends on what you mean by limitations
raven silo
@kindred glacier world need to be under 300 mb and optimize before be publish public
private world no limit
bronze python
^
umbral reef
Well if you said what the problem was we could maybe help 👀
karmic terrace
oh
i was just seeing if anyone would actually respond
my VRChat crashes like non stop
its super annoying, it's completely random
umbral reef
Clear chace
umbral reef
What does the error say then?
karmic terrace
oops the game seems to have crashed
umbral reef
Send the report files already towards the team then?
karmic terrace
and then it says its contacting microsoft for help but it never does
vocal shard
Is the game doing that on it's own?
karmic terrace
its random
i could be playing for like 1 hour and the a crash would occur
or i could start it up and it would crash
or i could change maps then it crashes
vocal shard
Oh, report it to the team then, since many of them are happening together
vocal shard
Thanks Tidus!
floral aspen
np
high bison
To many people crashing others
knotty dragon
so what is going to happen to the rooms that mr whiskers destroyed at the end of the event? i assume they will revert i hope
umbral reef
Nah they are gonna explode 
For real though normally once an ARG ends things return to normal
knotty dragon
alright good
i just miss normal gaia night tbh
glad the pug didn't get destroyed that much
floral aspen
yes they are going to revert back to normal
knotty dragon
i am fine with waiting until the event is over it's okay
inner cape
What's wrong?
umbral reef
Im slowly just starting to think no one wants any help but just wants to talk...
Else why would they not post the question in here 
vocal shard
How do i make a laser button select
inner cape
that thing
vocal shard
Yea ddvr world has it
vocal shard
Do you know occlusion culling?
@inner cape
Do i need to do anything else other than making squares
inner cape
You mean hiding stuff behind objects?