yes....it does dafirex
#vrchat-general-2
still quarry
what is the particle limit now?
tidal aspen
Such as?
analog patrol
lilirin9 u dont understand
blissful sable
just let him read what I wrote
analog patrol
there are better and easier ways to fix the crashers
blissful sable
he should understand then
vocal shard
pretty sure hackers use userids to steal avatars and stuff lol
shell patrol
Anyone knows where I can find a standard Neptune avatar?
vocal shard
im no hacker so idk
analog hull
this is not about being on the right or wrong. And the game is made for players, not for the devs. Everyone has the right to disagree with an update, and everyone has the right to be upset, what makes the games, are not just the devs, but the players themselfs.
raven silo
vocal shard
but literally it's a bad idea
tidal aspen
they don’t need that to steal avatars
gusty adder
Alright I read what you said @blissful sable . I do agree for the most part.
muted plaza
mages are saved in UserProfile/Pictures/VRChat
glass zodiac
guess its watching anime time since particles are over
alpine cove
they need it to steal avatars remotely, Dafirex
still quarry
thanks @raven silo
analog patrol
they have to be on their toes and talk to people that know stuff
alpine cove
with your user id they can take your avatar without being in the same world as you
still quarry
isnt 20k particles still pretty high?
blissful sable
^kinda my tl;dr Mei
analog patrol
not at all
still quarry
how would you need more?
gusty adder
It isn’t the devs fault people are upset though. They can do whatever they want. It was heavy handed and ruined others’ work, yeah. It’s still fully up to them to do what they want and they never said people could have as many particles and systems as they did.
south viper
they don't even need the user ID, just the avatar ID
tidal aspen
Can’t they already get user ids anyway
glass zodiac
@still quarry 20kk ??
blissful sable
That's what I meant with no knowledge of their site
gusty adder
@analog patrol like I said, yes, it was a heavy handed and clumsy way of going about it
analog patrol
haha its ok
vocal shard
but they can do it without being in the same world now, so they can be a streamer if they wanted lol
blissful sable
Of course it's up to them, but pushing it through like this with only given insight to a few people prior before it goes live is what they did, people were left in the blue
placid umbra
20k per system, but a lot of people leave high quality collision on, so their max limit is getting reduced by quite a bit
analog canopy
Does the new particle limits effect already created avatars, or particle systems in worlds?
raven silo
Safety become first vrchat dont want people be able abuse to point break somone PC just from vrchat app
still quarry
you can have 20k particles per system and 10 systems at once
how would one need more than that?
gusty adder
@blissful sable No, not really. They lost work that was never accepted as officially acceptable in the form it was.
gusty adder
You can be upset you lost work, you can’t be upset at the devs for what they did.
vocal shard
Why tf can't I hear any one but they hear me and I don't see there mouths moving ?
still quarry
like for worlds?
median basalt
@gusty adder sure we can
analog patrol
Aev, some use delays for 5 minute animations, meaning a animation with 300 systems all will be active at the same time but dont spawn anything
blissful sable
How was it never officially accepted if it was a whitelisted component with no restrictions? -> Missing Knowledge
median basalt
If we're not upset, how will they know something is wrong?
gusty adder
They said you can use particles and particle systems. They never gave an okay on how many.
raven silo
@still quarry world dont have limit only avatar
median basalt
Are you one of those people who meekly drop their head when someone wrongs them?
gusty adder
IE, it was always up to them to control how many was acceptable.
median basalt
@raven silo worlds have limits
vocal shard
lost all my work...particle limit great...many hours gone
idle beacon
See if I can't be upset at the devs as they try to actively work their own community into the ground.
gusty adder
Hm? Not at all.
still quarry
do you have any examples which would require more particles than the current limit?
analog patrol
I feel u marsh
median basalt
alpine cove
again, the update has been live for 5 hours
alpine cove
and people are giving feedback on canny
median basalt
tl;dr I use Ultimate VFX which has a lot of sub-emitters
analog patrol
oof
vocal shard
5 hours and people are losing their shit, so i think that means things need to change
alpine cove
idk why you would think your work is just gone forever
blissful sable
a sub emitter is a particle system
naive eagle
if you need examples to see that there should be more than 10 systems, you should look into effects yourself
glass zodiac
even basics animations look fked up on my side due to mesh quality
median basalt
And you can only have 10 emitters active at any time, even if the "emission" component is not actively being used
naive eagle
this isn't something that really need be explained
gusty adder
You can be upset that it was a heavy handed method and that you lost their work. You cannot be upset they put in a method to restrict particles in the first place, even if a less heavy handed and efficient method would have still disabled your effects.
median basalt
@gusty adder you don't get to dictate what people are upset about.
vocal shard
no rokk he can he is god uwu
gusty adder
I mean I’m stating there’s no legitimate grounds.
blissful sable
^Yea that's what I've been saying in my post. The limit is good and needed, but the method they approached it wasn't for the start.
gusty adder
You can be upset, go for it. It doesn’t matter.
still quarry
everyone keeps talking about how this update limits creativity but i legitmately dont know how you would need that many particles in the first place
idle beacon
@analog patrol Pfft, you hope.
analog hull
i havent lost any work, but i'm still upset... I just hate the way they did it, thinking only on part of the comunity, not thinking on the comunity as an whole
alpine cove
exactly. feedback will, non-constructive complaints won't
south viper
if you're using mesh particles and hitting the limit because of that, you can probably get some more breathing space by learning how to use geometry shaders
gusty adder
Yeah basically hitting a fly with a war hammer instead of using a fly trap that would get only the fly.
analog patrol
akliyen u dont know good animations then
still quarry
nope
median basalt
Anyway, a friend's lightning explosion effect broke. The reason? The explosion consists of 8 sub-emitters, leaving no room for the lightning. Even though every particle system inside the explosion emits 3 billboard particles each.
Three.
glass zodiac
@still quarry its 200 particles and 10 emiters you can't talk when you don't know shit
south viper
geometry shaders can more or less make polys out of nothing and since it's in the shader code they can't detect it as easily lol
still quarry
20k*
clear hinge
oof
uncut trail
So what did update do
median basalt
Particle crashers can still crash people with 20k particles, but we can't have our lightning because it uses 11 emitters and not 10.
naive eagle
@still quarry You need to go educate yourself then if you don't understand! there are thousands of samples out there and many videos of systems that people have made or shown off
glass zodiac
@median basalt i have something similar to this it use like 200 particles with 8 subemiters but it doesn't work at all
median basalt
Even though our particles are no more than 30 at a time
gusty adder
It’s obvious that it was a heavy handed approach. The devs were still fully in their right to do so. Just because they said you can use particles and particle systems doesn’t mean you get free reign of how many.
idle beacon
The update broke most animations. @uncut trail
south viper
how can only 20k particles crash you
blissful sable
Ofc I could also just make a 1 particle systems with 20k of the same material. But it'd look shit and I couldn't even add a shockwave on impact, rocks, ... etc.
median basalt
@gusty adder ok
placid umbra
200 particle systems, 10 active at once, 20k particles per system UNLESS you're using collision, which divides the 20k number
south viper
if it's a shader then it isn't a "crash particle", it's a "crash shader"
still quarry
i mean i guess 10 systems is pretty restrictive
analog patrol
lel
analog patrol
spawn 20k mesh spheres and ur game crashes
still quarry
i guess my earlier sentiment was more directed towards the 20k particle per system limit
south viper
well no, 20k particles total would be worse
median basalt
Does that mean I can stagger my knife throws into multiple systems and still spam the everloving hell out of people?
This is just laughable
Spammers still spam, all the cool kids get to eat sand.
placid umbra
Limit is divided if you're using mesh particles
analog patrol
so subemitters are fine with 20k bursts?
analog patrol
hahahah
median basalt
True, but then that's still just per particle system @placid umbra
south viper
subemitter particles come under the limit of the parent anyway
south viper
that would be a particle system so it would still be counted right?
and 20k meshes would be over
...well, maybe not. do they round up after dividing by 10?
idle beacon
So people can spawn 10 20k mesh spheres but I can't use my hammer. Seems like a perfect solution.
alpine cove
it's obviously not a perfect solution, which is why there's a canny thread for feedback
analog patrol
I dont get it
blissful sable
depends on the polys
south viper
no it doesn't, my banana grenade uses 500 mesh particles
gusty adder
GV, it’s pretty acknowledged it’s not a perfect solution
analog patrol
500 meshes on 1 frame?
gusty adder
It’s not about whether or not it’s a perfect solution
blissful sable
oof
alpine cove
if you don't think the vrchat devs will implement fixes based on canny, that's a whole different issue, but the canny thread exists for a reason
south viper
mesh particles are instanced so it isn't even inefficient
placid umbra
This is getting way too far into telling people how to abuse the system, if it continues people will be kicked
glass zodiac
this is not a solution AT ALL lol
idle beacon
It's not even a solution to anything.
analog patrol
lel
placid umbra
Be reasonable in your discussion please
blissful sable
Yea, people just need to start adding to the post on canny instead of whining here. I'm just trying to explain it to some people who seem to be in the dark about everything
analog patrol
well
gusty adder
It is a solution, GV
analog patrol
looks like ur "fix" did not work
gusty adder
It’s a heavy handed one that hits a lot more than it needed to
analog patrol
but fugged everyone over
gusty adder
But it still is one
analog patrol
instead
alpine cove
i don't think it was Aev's fix
median basalt
@blissful sable canny is ignored
south viper
^
median basalt
And I already thoroughly outlined my problems on canny
blissful sable
Well, we'll see. I hope they won't ignore it
analog patrol
tempest is whiteknight Omegalul
placid umbra
We've already talked about how to give proper feedback
alpine cove
there's no reason to act like the vrchat devs are trying to force you to quit the game 5 hours into a brand new update
like come on
idle beacon
You can't call it a heavy handed solution if all it does is break hard worked on projects from people who did nothing wrong to begin with.
alpine cove
is this allowed?
idle mica
They totally doing that
alpine cove
kiri and now mei just shittalking me nonstop
raven silo
only one person look at discord is Ron most them busy work in on vrchat
idle beacon
We call that an enormous mistake.
vocal shard
not shittalking if its tru
raven silo
reason tell go to canny developer have to look at that
clear hinge
rip
analog patrol
schmanyways
idle mica
Its freedom of speech
analog patrol
oh hey rhos
gusty adder
Killing 1 fly in a swarm of 10,000 flies by nuking a house is still killing 1 fly. And it’s their house and the blast radius is limited only to their house. If they nuke their own house, other people can’t complain it looks ugly to have their own home next to a crater.
analog patrol
check ur animations
vocal shard
dont stop believing
alpine cove
if you're so convinced that vrchat devs don't care then just leave
naive eagle
Oh we know Mei
idle mica
If u dont want people to hate then just leave
clear hinge
Lol
alpine cove
why would i leave because people are breaking the rules? lol
gusty adder
@idle beacon that’s not their problem
naive eagle
But that’s okay, they were “too big” particle effects anyway amirite
idle mica
rhos is bae
clear hinge
Who are you?
analog patrol
tru
sterile smelt
Unsure if I can ask here. But does anyone know where is this character from and some way to find it?
clear hinge
ahh
analog patrol
lel
clear hinge
I just finished working on the coolest new thing, was gonna upload, then the stuff happeneed.
gusty adder
It seems like a custom recoloration of a “Tales of” series game model possibly, not sure @sterile smelt
idle mica
lol
clear hinge
00f
idle mica
They fast on doing the id tihng
gusty adder
Try asking in #avatars-2-general
halcyon ingot
I know that feel
sudden sky
Cool and all but... particles?
gusty adder
What was it?
fair yew
I'm not used to the respawn button being in a different location, but I'm trying to get the hang of it
vocal shard
oof, looks like people are freaking about 'mah privacy'
sudden sky
Rhos, aura, zer0
Sorry bout you guys getting screwed over
gusty adder
What about them?
ripe lake
@covert chasm Quick question, so i imported an avatar but first of all the legs are standing weirdly and the arms sit inside my body when i have my arms to my side, the bones are all correct, but can this be fixed?
gusty adder
It’s fine, they can’t be used anyways
sudden sky
I know zer0 stopped playing for now, and aura did too, did you?
south cedar
About the ID, can't it be exploited from any kind of malicious hacker?
sterile smelt
@gusty adder Thank you~ and we have no idea where the model is from. We got it one of those oublic test servers. No name~ Will check it out. Thanls alot
idle mica
@ripe lake ask in avatars
alpine cove
do you have a more clear picture of the face, z0lvin?
south cedar
@covert chasm About the ID, can't it be exploited from any kind of malicious hacker? I'm really afraid of streaming right now due to this issue.
gusty adder
Ah, I see @sterile smelt then you should look for the world creator, sometimes they have their name or discord tag
And you could look it up and contact them
lone arch
@clear hinge smokes weed
clear hinge
yes
south cedar
we all do
clear hinge
good shit to animate with
sterile smelt
Any way to look up those test worlds? This was two days ago and I jave no way of finding the map
gusty adder
@clear hinge what was the effect or whatever you created?
Do you remember the name of the world?
clear hinge
but devs kinda threw a loop, and did exactly what jagex did against majority of the RS2 community in 2012
clear hinge
didn't give us a choice, then destroyed their own game
covert chasm
They can't really be used to exploit. All clients know the userID of other users in the room. UserIDs are pretty easily searched up no matter what. They don't contain any personally identifying information, and they appear in everyone's output logs. @south cedar
gusty adder
You’re overreacting @clear hinge
placid umbra
That's a bit dramatic, to say the least Rhos. It's been 5 hours.
clear hinge
I remember, on the last day of Rs2 in 2012, I spent 20 hours pking straight
gusty adder
And if they want to kill their own game, they are fully in their rights to do so. Any time or such you spent on the game is something you chose to do.
covert chasm
If you dislike the changes to the particle system, give us constructive feedback that we can act on in the Canny. That's what its there for, and we're reading every post.
floral aspen
^
vocal shard
PLA PLA
covert chasm
The system was designed to be adjusted as time goes on. These limits are not written on stone tablets.
cloud mica
Isn't the userid the display name as well?
gusty adder
People don’t realize that either
lone arch
okie
vocal shard
awww
clear hinge
That's good Tupper, but I feel leaving feedback that your probably sick of hearing would be pointless.
gusty adder
People are acting like these limits are the final ones that will never be changed
floral aspen
feedback is never pointless
raven silo
best post all fact what you need for particle in that feedback explain
gusty adder
And yeah
alpine cove
the more people who leave specific feedback, the more obvious it is that the feedback is wanted
vocal shard
@placid umbra do u remember pedestals? When ppl were mad about that change they promised toggle. Never happened
alpine cove
if anything they'd probably prefer to see lots of people give the same feedback
gusty adder
If they get tired of reading it, they can just take a break and come back after to read more @clear hinge
alpine cove
because if lots of people give the same feedback, it's much easier to decide if it's a good idea than if it's just one person
clear hinge
I feel the game should get as many as talented coder players in game, and help the devs in making a toggle for Particles on/off in menus. But I'll leave that on Canny.
raven silo
avatar on pedestial was have server cost problem they rent from
plus made world load take to long
for avatar
vocal shard
So now same excuse for particles? Lul
south cedar
i was a very active programmer on Second Life, moved to VRChat and i expect it to be way better than it
we just need to give it time
and contribute giving feedback
gusty adder
Why are you upset, Pencil?
raven silo
particle beause people abuse system
so they need feedback how much particle people need
gusty adder
Yeah exactly
alpine cove
the people who have the most important feedback seem to have already set up their minds that the devs won't listen to the feedback though, Nudist
gusty adder
Being better aware of a general average helps them decide whether to adjust it
vocal shard
I've crashed and experienced permanent framerate loss because of particles
So there should be a limit
fair magnet
whats the current limit
fair magnet
oh
gusty adder
Exactly
It doesn’t need to be super high
But it can be balanced between not lagging people
And still looking alright
Without needing to be super gorgeous
south cedar
Well you do have an idea of how absurd VRChat grow, that wasnt rlly expected, they do try to hear it, in the game dev department we KNOW that feedback is extremely important, but they are still fixing their own team to meet what ppl expect.
halcyon ingot
I'd rather it be a local on/off toggle than limiting peoples creativity.
alpine cove
from what i've seen most people believe more active systems and less particles per system is a better compromise
fair magnet
this doesnt seem so bad
idle beacon
Honestly, they should work on optimizing the core game rather than punching people who are passionate about their animation projects on the shins.
clear hinge
Limit particles to 5k per system, but do not limit our amount of particle systems, some of my models idle particle systems well excede over 10 alone. Yet alone the 100+ systems I have on animations on other models
median basalt
More active systems is definitely something we need
glass zodiac
"I'd rather it be a local on/off toggle than limiting peoples creativity"
gusty adder
You don’t need that many systems
alpine cove
an on/off toggle would be nice, but i'd also like per-user options
halcyon ingot
@glass zodiac I wish I had said that.
alpine cove
so i can 'unblock' peoples' animations if they don't lag me
gusty adder
No, you don’t.
median basalt
And limits per system make little sense. I would rather have a limit of 50k total than a limit of 5 systems with 10k each
glass zodiac
@halcyon ingot that why i added " "
gusty adder
Then that’s not for VR chat suitable.
halcyon ingot
""I'd rather it be a local on/off toggle than limiting peoples creativity""
idle beacon
Yeah a person-by-person avatar blocker would be nice.
naive eagle
Works fine for my vrchat when I see his effects
median basalt
@gusty adder spoken like someone who has never seen a particle system prefab
clear hinge
I got a $3,000 desktop, I will use as many as I want until I start lagging on my computer, then I'll adjust it
naive eagle
Not sure you know what you’re talking about lili
ivory hollow
is the userID patch out yet?
clear hinge
^
gusty adder
It’s almost like others don’t, Rhos
alpine cove
that seems like a better overall fix Rokk
halcyon ingot
@ivory hollow nah
naive eagle
I mean Lili*
gusty adder
And that numbers are not balanced around top end
south cedar
@covert chasm i see, thanks for the clarification! really glad to hear that! I noticed that several animations that were made with the old particle system are now "bugged", is there any kind of advice that i can tell to my public so they can fix their own animations?
vocal shard
the max active is 10 atm
gusty adder
Azami
alpine cove
i don't know the performance impact of multiple emitters versus just one but i assume if they're not all emitting at full bore constantly it's not significant
gusty adder
The issue isn’t just one person using whatever
median basalt
Instead of a 20k limit per system, I would much rather see a big global limit per user. Especially when it comes to meshes, which for some reason are penalized 100 times heavier than billboards. Proportionally.
gusty adder
It’s that multiple people in a server can all do that if you have the limit as none or whatever huge amount you want
IE
halcyon ingot
@south cedar If their particles dont work then tweak them to be within the limits
median basalt
@gusty adder that was never really an issue tho
gusty adder
100 from 1 person might not be bad
clear hinge
optimized
alpine cove
aren't mesh particles the heavy hitters?
clear hinge
never laggy from me
gusty adder
Rhos
idle mica
if u dont have a good pc why u playing a vr game?
drifting dust
gday Rhos
gusty adder
One person in a server isn’t the issue by themselves unless they just don’t know how to optimize at all
Or are trying to crash others
clear hinge
I agree with blizzard.
gusty adder
It’s that more than one person is going to be using particle effects in a server and it adds up
alpine cove
i've seen a lot of really cool animations that don't cause lag, but you can't force people to optimize their animations so it's a tricky spot to b e in
clear hinge
Then toggle particles off
idle beacon
@idle mica The man of truths.
clear hinge
it's not a hard system to code
idle mica
Yes have a local particle toggle
tidal aspen
reeeee your single static particle is lagging me
vocal shard
I have a pretty good laptop, but it still gets me laggy if there are too many particles
clear hinge
alone
idle mica
Yes thats if ppl dont know how to optimize
gusty adder
Yeah and that’s the issue
idle beacon
The game is not made for laptop people, Jesus. It's a VR game which means 970+, at least.
alpine cove
people are already freaking out over a 6 hour old patch, i dunno if they could wait 5 months lol
idle mica
The patch will ruin many communities that are built with particles
glass zodiac
Usually people starts "lagging" with 500 particles active at once IN the same point if they are split or far away its more than 1k
vocal shard
Wait is it just vrchat accounts at risk or is it steam to?
south cedar
thats a very ignorant way of thinking @idle mica
you are pretty much excluding every player that isnt able to run your fancy particle systems.
covert chasm
@south cedar We're still working on the limit system-- this is the first version, after all. We encourage people to test it out and see where its behaving like it should (https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits) or if its broken. This is "v1" of the limiter, and it can/will change as we see people need it changed.
alpine cove
a slider wouldn't be a very reliable fix. it'd have to be a toggle if anything
you'd need like 7 sliders to control every aspect of particle systems
idle mica
Just have a slider tupper
halcyon ingot
You guys should have made it a local on/off toggle
vocal shard
A toggle may be a better idea
idle mica
Would be way better
alpine cove
slider for what?
idle mica
For particles
clear hinge
Toggle is a better idea
south cedar
@covert chasm i see! i'll forward it up asap, thanks :]
placid umbra
Guys, Discord is not the place for feedback.
alpine cove
you'd need a slider for particles, a slider for emissions, a slider for emitters
glass zodiac
there is nothing to test since 90% of effects are broken
alpine cove
a slider for collisions
idle mica
Yes ik
halcyon ingot
@placid umbra It's the place for a disscusion on the game tho
alpine cove
and the standard end user would have no idea how to use those sliders
idle mica
it has almost 200 upvotes
alpine cove
so it's not a good end user implementation
placid umbra
Yep, as well as this https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/particle-system-limiter-feedback
gusty adder
@glass zodiac or, you COULD just make particle effects within the limits to test said limits
covert chasm
Aev's right, it isn't the best for feedback. But discussion is ok.
Sliders aren't a great solution. Like Tempest said, you'd need one for emission rate, emission count, mesh particle count, collision quality count, what about high quality? low quality?
alpine cove
when you develop software, you develop it so it's usable for the largest average of the playerbase you can
that's like, basic software best practice
covert chasm
A toggle is a bit better, but it has its own issues. We're already talking about the issues pretty heavily internally.
clear hinge
Well, as soon as the last flame for the animator communities dies out, VRchat's numbers will dwindle fast
south cedar
Finally adding this limits now we don't have to struggle with crashing avatars.
im really glad to see that.
tulip violet
is this Particle System Limiter a good Idea Tupper? cause on one of the streams saying that People are Complaining about this Update
vocal shard
Not everyone's going to read a tutorial. In my MMD server people ask for a better explanation of the simplest MMD/VRchat tutorials. too.
median basalt
@south cedar sorry, but those still exist. Not mitigated in the slightest.
alpine cove
"in the slightest" is a hyperbole
gusty adder
Incorrect @median basalt
halcyon ingot
This is going to have a minimal impact on crashers
gusty adder
It is partially mitigated
median basalt
I mean, the crashers have been somewhat mitigated, but there's plenty of ways for them to still do it
alpine cove
there's almost certainly crash methods that were fixed by this
vocal shard
make something cool within limits for now and wait for the inevitable tweaks
covert chasm
If a previously unrestricted system is then restricted, there will be pushback. That's the nature of this kind of beast.
idle mica
Crashers are already still crashing ppl
idle beacon
If people intend to do harm they will find a way to do it.
gusty adder
So therefore “not mitigated in the slightest” is blatantly incorrect
south cedar
Well yeah true, but the "easiest" method of crashing is now safer.
gusty adder
If you have 100 ways to crash people
idle mica
This update limited something that didnt need to be limited
median basalt
I can't wait for next month for the "all shaders are removed" update
alpine cove
a toggle switch would be the best option of those recommended, but if i want to only block one person's particles without blocking them entirely, what do i do then?
analog patrol
pushback
idle mica
Next we will remove custom avatars
south cedar
most of the ppl that knew how to crash now cannot.
analog patrol
it literally solved nothing
gusty adder
But you also still did take out 1
idle beacon
After that we will remove custom worlds
halcyon ingot
@median basalt too real 😦
alpine cove
again, your feedback is not constructive right now
fair magnet
I doubt this has anything to do with crashing attempts
idle mica
stfu
alpine cove
i'm incredibly constructive actually
south cedar
oh my god this is going offrails.
idle mica
Thats nice
median basalt
@halcyon ingot I say that jokingly, but I can actually see them do it. Supposedly to prevent all the gore on the screen.
gusty adder
Oh great, people whining while using slippery slope fallacies
idle mica
This is just a discussion
alpine cove
it's not a discussion when you go "NEXT THEY'LL REMOVE EVERYTHING AND THEN THE GAME IS DEAD"
south cedar
no, that's childish, im sorry.
idle mica
As tupper said go to the canny thing
hasty wedge
from now on the only shaders allowed will be cubedshaders to protec the strimmers
dark narwhal
You guys are complaining for no reason less particles make the game much less laggy
uncut trail
Has updates screw most of the model's ?
alpine cove
that's not discussion, it's unconstructive criticism
vocal shard
lets ban pixels
idle mica
Its a joke tempest relax
median basalt
Ban dynamic bones, they lag me too much reeee
alpine cove
it's not a joke, people have been saying it for 6 hours
idle beacon
@hasty wedge yes protecc da streemurrs
median basalt
The only shaders we can use are Standard and Flat Lit Toon Rainbow
halcyon ingot
having custom avatars is just too dangerous, people have to use nikei or nothing
median basalt
It has been written
uncut trail
Particles makes animation alot cooler
halcyon ingot
idle mica
lets just use 0 pollys
full isle
Lol
median basalt
You can only use Nikei with Standard on the body and Flat Lit Toon Rainbow everywhere else.
idle mica
maybe then the game will be playable
alpine cove
🙄
idle beacon
"I play VR games on a wired tin can and I lag when someone moves a finger!!! BAN FINGER BONES PLS!!!"
idle mica
lmao
idle beacon
Desktop community in a nutshell.
south cedar
The hate is so strong, oh god.
frigid garden
Ggwp VRChat admin team, completely destroying a great game
placid umbra
I don't know what you guys are complaining about, everyone knows Nikei is the best avatar in the game...
hasty wedge
median basalt
Tbf Nikei isn't a bad avatar
vocal shard
@vocal shard better yet, instead of banning and limiting stuff, only allow for the basic avatars, nothing else
also remove avatar worlds 👌
fair magnet
idk
idle beacon
Yes indeed
vocal shard
better yet
idle mica
The default blue model is the best duh
fair magnet
nikei seems to lag my game out every time for a brief second
median basalt
Avatar switching is too laggy, we should force people to select their custom avatars on the VRC website before they go ingame.
idle mica
it legs cus its just loading the model lol
gusty adder
Can you like
idle beacon
Nikei lags me whenever he loads in, ban loading in avatars.
vocal shard
remove every basic avatar except nikkei
dark narwhal
How just play mmo pong
fair magnet
why nikei tho
vocal shard
@vocal shard vrchat is going textmode
halcyon ingot
opening vrchat uses resources on my computer we should remove it
fair magnet
anything else doesnt seem to
gusty adder
Not use slippery slope fallacies so blatantly
idle mica
Textmode only
gusty adder
It’s cringy
idle mica
soon we will impliment dial up speed to our servers
median basalt
Switching worlds is too laggy, we need to force people to add a world to their launch options for them to be able to enter it.
gusty adder
The overreactions and abundance of slippery slope fallacies is actually cringeworthy
idle beacon
Installing VRChat on my computer takes up disk space, can we ban diskspace?
wild stump
is it the poly count
halcyon ingot
ban computer
gusty adder
just remove computers from planet earth
idle beacon
Ban internet
gusty adder
solved
hasty wedge
VR causes more frame losses remove VR 
median basalt
Actually I just realized that Unity chan is forbidden, too many dynamic bones
halcyon ingot
delete earth.exe
fair magnet
ban human?
iron heart
Well just make a bald unity chan
vocal shard
yall adorable, its a particle limit, particles still allowed 🍿
dark narwhal
Vr headsets take up too much space on my face can we ban them?
vocal shard
delet everything
idle beacon
I have epilepsy and I play VR games, please ban VR games because they give me 🅱 eizures
median basalt
@iron heart clothes-less Unity chan? That's not streamer friendly, ban. @idle mica
gusty adder
it’s hilarious to see how much people overreact
iron heart
Everyone can only be slimegirls.
idle mica
Streaming??
Thats a bannable offense
plain oracle
Has the issue where people get kicked out of servers and put into broken instances been fixed?
hasty wedge
streaming below 100 viewers? ur banned kiddo
idle beacon
No, no. Streamers are the holy goats of the admins.
vocal shard
@hasty wedge yes please actually.
idle beacon
Thou may not touch the streamers.
idle mica
are there gonna be microtransactions now to enable particles?
iron heart
Streamers have less of a job than uber drivers, change my mind 2018
vocal shard
@idle mica NO, STOP THAT
DONT GIVE IDEAS
fair magnet
you pay a fee per avatar slot
gusty adder
pay a fee per triangle on your avatar
cinder parcel
Stop giving them ideas
fair magnet
max is 5k polies, have to buy premium slots for 2k polys
idle beacon
1$ get 5 avi slots.
cinder parcel
Because that sounds like something they would pull
median basalt
@iron heart slimegirls? I can get behind that
vocal shard
Introducing VRChat Prime
idle mica
XD
gusty adder
$20 for 20k poly
cinder parcel
Banned
idle beacon
Pug membership so you can go to every unoptimized world.
idle beacon
^
idle mica
pug is rlly laggy lol
hasty wedge
presentation room is the best map change my mind
idle mica
They should remove it
dusk tinsel
lets limit particles but not make it so worlds are more optimized such as the pug
plain oracle
Fix Japan town while you're at it.
iron heart
15 dollars if you wanna be an anime chick.
gusty adder
Pug is a fun map
iron heart
Done
vocal shard
next big trend for showoffs: 1000 silly fedoras on models
idle beacon
Spend some of those 4 million spondoolinos to get the pug optimized.
gusty adder
But yeah it lags to crap
full isle
Yes
alpine cove
i don't really have lag issues in pug
does that mean i get to tell people to buy better computers?
median basalt
I vote we remove the Pug and feature my world instead. I always load within 0.5 seconds.
fair magnet
@hasty wedge presentation room beta
south cedar
I totally wish they add microtransactions for avatar personalizations. That's the way Second Life got it's own currency afterall.
median basalt
It's literally a floating plane with a mirror button
idle mica
uh oh tempest at it again
south cedar
and it was awesome
hasty wedge
the beta is too dark tho :d
halcyon ingot
I'm really against vrchat currency
dusk tinsel
lets also limit particles and make it so the servers lag to hell now
brittle fern
idle beacon
Yes we need microtransactions.
valid sparrow
You wish to pay money wow good idea
idle beacon
VRCoin
south cedar
i actually wish to sell content tbh.
idle mica
To join their world spend 5
idle beacon
Spend one VRCoin to host a friends+ world.
fair magnet
pay to increase world slots
south cedar
selling avatars and stuff like that is rlly useful.
idle mica
pay to upload avatars
vocal shard
to use particles insert cc
valid sparrow
Sell them on deviant art
idle beacon
VRCoin is the new Bitcoin.
gusty adder
on the bright side
valid sparrow
What does OC mean anyway?
idle mica
U want 1 particle system. Since its so hard to come by now cus of the limit that will be 50$
proven cove
Honestly, a simple system where free users get X slots and then you can pay for more would be a decent monetization model.
halcyon ingot
vrchat uses so much content taken from other sources thats opening up them to be sold would be super grey legally
hasty wedge
original content
idle beacon
@valid sparrow Original Character
gusty adder
at least this channel is now less blatant whining and more of whining-that-seems-like-banter
valid sparrow
Oh ok
south cedar
Wouldn't it be way more useful to buy the avatar and keep it in your account inside the game instead of paying it in DeviantArt or something like that?
idle mica
Dude
median basalt
@gusty adder I'm glad we have your expert opinion here then
halcyon ingot
@gusty adder you're the only one whining mate
idle mica
just take commisions
fair magnet
this is shitposting
gusty adder
mk
south cedar
Nah.
hasty wedge
20 VRCoins to buy a nikel edit
placid umbra
vocal shard
every particle system you have raises your ingame voice a semitone 😂
idle mica
20 vrcoins to launch the game
median basalt
Ayy
hasty wedge
too cheap
gusty adder
Who even is nikel
idle mica
25 more to actually talk
hasty wedge
atleast 30 VRcoints
gusty adder
Is he that one blue jacket default model
halcyon ingot
WHO IS NIKEI??
opal apex
Would it be difficult to implement launch options for both pc and vr? kinda like it is now but lets say, when you launch in vr or pc give you the option to play it in low or high settings, if low then limit the number of particles, lighting and other options that the game would render. if High is selected then go bonkers with the effects. I know something similar is already there but in reality is only available for pc players and to be honest a dont see much of a difference but that is maybe because my pc is decent. I just hope the VRChat team doesnt start taking more stuff away only because of complains, sure if your system sucks then turn off the graphics settings, boom, done but dont ruin it for the rest of us that can run the game properly...
idle beacon
Just fuck desktop users, howboutdat?
vocal shard
mein eyes 
south cedar
@opal apex you actually can do that.
dusk tinsel
if they really wanted a better way to implement a particle limiter just add a button similar to block avatars by default but instead it be block particles by default<<<<<<<<<<< so simple
full isle
Too many desktop users play on potato
dusk tinsel
hire me already vrc team
south cedar
the amount of shitposting here is absurd. im totally out.
halcyon ingot
Just add an on/off toggle for particle systems on avatars.
dusk tinsel
^
idle beacon
@full isle And those whiny potato players are killing our fun.
full isle
Yup
fair magnet
nah 20 vrcoins for that
alpine cove
like half the community is desktop players lol
full isle
XD
hollow phoenix
😕
idle beacon
"My overclocked heated blanket can't run this game, please get rid of all the particles."
dusk tinsel
no normies allowed
full isle
Its called "vr"chat for a reason?
hollow phoenix
So confused
hasty wedge
its just shitposting hour
hollow phoenix
Oh
fair magnet
i dont think id really mind losing all my non vr friends
uncut trail
I have like 3 custom avatar at 20k poly (19999) yet worried about them being scruffed
idle mica
aAHHH PARTICLES ON MY SCREEN BAN!
fair magnet
mostly cause they keep alt tabbing in the middle of conversations and do other shit
full isle
Lol
alpine cove
most of my best friends in vrchat are desktop users
fair magnet
same, because they are the majority
dark narwhal
Unfriend them
idle mica
Tell em to get good
full isle
Vr is cheap
dark narwhal
Vr is not cheap
full isle
Yes it is
fair magnet
vr is cheap
idle beacon
A fucking 450$ entry barrier. Filters out the normies and the cheapo kiddos.
full isle
It took like half a pay cheque
raven silo
should got MVR it was $200 last week
full isle
Not that bad
median basalt
VR is pretty expensive
alpine cove
cheap is not decided by what one person can and cannot afford, lol
median basalt
You also need to have a good PC for VR, mind you
south cedar
VR is cheap af depending on where you live tbh.
alpine cove
the CEO of Google could go buy his own island and it'd be cheap to him, that doesn't make it cheap
median basalt
I'm running on an Intel core i5 2500k processor, and an NVidia GTX 970. I barely get 30 in the pug.
dark narwhal
Yah i paid 600 dollars to play a free game...oh wait
fair magnet
but it is tho
halcyon ingot
i use a google cardboard and 2 wii remotes
fair magnet
in relation to the person buying it
idle beacon
I use Nintendo Labo
opal apex
@south cedar yeah haha im aware, but I tried using both high and low options without my vr set up, just desktop mode and I didnt feel any impact so im not what are those options doing in reality
halcyon ingot
my powerpc can run it just fine
alpine cove
for about a month i was running on an R9 390 Rokk
it was a rough life
R9s run super hot at full load
median basalt
VR sucks when you have low framerates
gusty adder
They could just put in a world limit to particles/mesh numbers/particle system numbers/etc
alpine cove
my room was basically a furnace
gusty adder
IE
median basalt
Hurts my eyes
full isle
Damn
gusty adder
once the world hits that limit
south cedar
@opal apex i see, that i was not aware tbh, i never really tried haha
median basalt
And yeah, AMD cards are known for their heat
gusty adder
any more that would be 'shown' or spawned
dark narwhal
I make 7.50 an hour so its not cheap for me
gusty adder
won't be
alpine cove
the R9 is even hotter than a normal AMD too lol
fair magnet
but the human eye cannot see past 15 fps so it should not be a problem
gusty adder
That's like, minimum wage, isn't it @dark narwhal
dark narwhal
Yup
gusty adder
RIP
alpine cove
13/hr at my student job
dark narwhal
Haha nice my summer job pays 16.5 tho
alpine cove
asynchronous spacewarp
median basalt
The human eye cannot see more than 3 dynamic bones at any given time
alpine cove
if you're consistently getting under 90 fps, the rift automatically locks you to 45
gusty adder
I have the Rift, but I didn't know about that, Tempest
alpine cove
to ensure smooth framerate
median basalt
Yeah, the Rift is either 90 or 45. Kinda sucks
vocal shard
there a way to make it possible to upload avatars because now, I got to get verified I have no idea how that works, I have been uploading even before the damn update.
alpine cove
well, bouncing between 60 and 70 fps constantly causes motion sickness issues
idle beacon
The human eye can not take more than 10 particle emitters at once. Ban.
median basalt
I think it's not just to make the experience smoother. It's necessary for their smoothing technology to work, so you don't get jitter when looking left/right.
dark narwhal
The human eye cannot see more than one cat girl at a time
alpine cove
yeah
median basalt
So you can still look around at 10 FPS without going into a seizure
alpine cove
that jitter is the worst thing honestly, when someone joins a world with a bad avatar
i still get 45 fps, but when i move my head there's a ton of jitter
makes me sick
gusty adder
Something that bothers me with the Rift is
median basalt
I'm not sure if my CPU or GPU is the bottleneck, not sure what to overclock
gusty adder
I'm not sure if it's just my headset or bad sensor placement or stuff
but like when I put my headset back on after taking it off for a while
median basalt
Probably my 9 year old CPU
gusty adder
the sensors don't 'sync' up
idle beacon
@median basalt I have the same problem, dude. It's avatars loading that usually makes me want to convulse.
gusty adder
so it's super laggy/dizzy-inducing
alpine cove
the rift has some issues with SteamVR still
gusty adder
normally it 'syncs' up after like 10 seconds
alpine cove
i think that's probably the root of that issue
gusty adder
but sometimes it just doesn't and i have to restart like my entire computer
median basalt
Oh, you mean that the sensors are misplaced when you see them in VR?
gusty adder
to fix it
alpine cove
sometimes if i take my headset off and put it back on, i'm stuck at black screen and i have to restart
but only in SteamVR games with the Rift
ruby needle
disable the reprojection things within stream vr's settings since oculus handles its own thing.
alpine cove
never happens in Oculus store stuff
oh man
if that fixes it
but yeah, SteamVR only recently got official Rift support, so it's still a bit iffy
south cedar
speaking about VR, any idea how do i get that special menu on steamVR with graphics options and stuff?
gusty adder
If I take my headset off, like to go get food or whatever or just bathroom, then I come back, if I put it back on and look at VRChat, it's super laggy/framerate is super low/it's super nauseating. However, if I open up the Steam menu or the Oculus Rift menu, it's not laggy or anything at all in there and sensors seem to work perfectly fine in those two menus, it's just in VR Chat. It usually 'resyncs' after like 10 seconds, but sometimes it takes restarting my entire computer @median basalt
south cedar
i noticed that some other streamers also have that.
gusty adder
Any idea what could be causing it?
alpine cove
the thing that annoys me the most is, my SteamVR Home seems to be resetting constantly now, so every time I load into it I have to go through the little "tutorial"
thin dagger
quick dumb question, guys
is the new update implented yet?
gusty adder
reeeee
median basalt
@gusty adder oh yeah, I have that too
gusty adder
yeah I get the exact same issue, Tempest
median basalt
It triggers for me when I open SteamVR
idle beacon
@thin dagger It has been, and it blows.
median basalt
I usually open/close steamVR a few times
gusty adder
Does that help?
south cedar
he means it's a really good update.
alpine cove
you might have to opt into a SteamVR beta, Nudist
the fancy menu is SteamVR Home
and I feel like I had to manually enable it, though maybe I'm wrong
south cedar
hmm...
thin dagger
@idle beacon Why?
idle beacon
Because it ruined most of the animations from the animation fanatics, including myself.
south cedar
Weird, i am at Beta RN.
dark narwhal
I love tutorials thats why every time i get on vrchat i play the tutorial again to make sure i still know how to be a trap
alpine cove
hmm
gusty adder
Also, @median basalt just wanted to make it clear. I have nothing against you, nor GV-97, nor any of the other people I was disagreeing with in a personal way.
thin dagger
oh yea, I heard there were some issues with gestures
idle beacon
The solution was more a shin shot than a solution, because particle crashers are still at large with the new limitations.
vocal shard
Hello? @umbral moonl there a reason why I can't upload why I have to be verified?
alpine cove
hmm, yeah, i'm not in any betas
median basalt
@gusty adder same
alpine cove
i'm not sure how to activate SteamVR Home
full isle
You have to be verified what?
idle beacon
@gusty adder same.
vocal shard
uploading avatars
thin dagger
oh well thanks anyway @idle beacon
median basalt
I think he might have chosen the wrong release channel in the SDK
Or he has to go back one SDK version
idle beacon
You're welcome @thin dagger
gusty adder
Does restarting Steam VR fix the issue for you, Rokk?
south cedar
I mean, there is a "Advanced Options" menu in Poke's SteamVR @alpine cove
clear hinge
When the Devs ask the unknowledgeable streamers with particle systems/unity to beta test, instead of asking VRchat's best animators that this game has ever seren, like Floppiii for example
fucking oof on Devs part.
south cedar
i see.
idle mica
Watch out those rp streamers own vrchat
old fiber
the devs hate creativity just make a damn option to turn off particals
full isle
Rip
idle mica
How bout we ban all twitch streamers
idle mica
cus there are too many
dark narwhal
Ban bossy
south cedar
@alpine cove
alpine cove
oooh, okay
median basalt
@gusty adder restarting the game fixes it for me
clear hinge
How about we all spam the extremely dangerous assets us animators have been passing along eachother and just give people free reign over our stuff. Good luck taming that wild fire.
alpine cove
I thought you meant SteamVR Home lol
gusty adder
ah, I'll try that next time, thanks for the help Rokk
south cedar
It stays at VRHome but it's called OpenVR haha
gusty adder
Rhos, calm down
idle mica
no u
gusty adder
You are seriously overreacting
alpine cove
dang, i'm gonna download this
clear hinge
Super TRIGGERED
dark narwhal
Im waiting for a toggleable hide traps option
fair magnet
i have a buggy avatar that really screws up performance when you decimate it
gusty adder
Tupper himself said the limits weren't final and were open to adjustment
south cedar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
idle mica
they open to nothing lel
hasty wedge
here we go again 
analog patrol
blizzard he said that, dont be a dick
south cedar
@alpine cove it sounds reaaaaally useful!
vocal shard
So who wants a shader to kill ppl?
idle mica
sorry just ventalating dont beat me zero
fair magnet
irl death or in game?
indigo fern
I want to set all avatars to default into traps
analog patrol
the update corrupted popular hacks
dark narwhal
@alpine cove if we are lucky then yes
analog patrol
btw
alpine cove
that's a good thing at least
clear hinge
Pencil, will trade for the MegaAbsoluteFalse.shader
analog patrol
yeah
median basalt
@indigo fern I agree
gusty adder
MegaAbsoluteFalse?
clear hinge
super dangerous br00dah
gusty adder
Oh, that's great, Mei
median basalt
Actually, we should remove all public avatars, except Nikei, who is replaced by Felix Argyle with Nikei's head
I'd buy it
hasty wedge
NO
alpine cove
there's always going to be hacks in online games. the only way to stop it is to make literally everything server-side, and that would tank performance in any online game
full isle
LOL
gusty adder
His pants needs a bigger bulge, Rokk
indigo fern
where does one acquire a Nikei avatar anyway?
median basalt
You jest, but I've seen an avatar with dynamic bones on the bulge.
alpine cove
i'm putting an "I Love Traps" tramp stamp on my avatar right now
and that's not a joke
analog patrol
n8 its private
hasty wedge
only the legends can obtain the mighty custom avatar
gusty adder
I've seen that too before Rokk
median basalt
@indigo fern honestly, I have no idea. I think most people got them from cache rips
gusty adder
That was amazing in a way
dark narwhal
My pants need a bulge as well
median basalt
Since most of the ones I've seen didn't have any visemes
analog patrol
I have it lul
south cedar
@alpine cove marry me ❤
gusty adder
reeee weightpainting in blender makes me want to die
hasty wedge
LOOOOL
median basalt
But does the bulge have colliders?
indigo fern
Nikei is a sacred avatar then
hasty wedge
dynamic bone bulge with collideras
analog patrol
yeah
hasty wedge
OwO
south cedar
all my avatars are Felix's, never thought about adding dynamic bones to the bulge. i'm so doing that RN.
winged quartz
Oh well
gusty adder
I wonder if it would be sort of neat where
strange wagon
i just heard ppl talk about something that if the mods see you ingame with an avatar above 20k polygons they'll ban you?
winged quartz
Oh hi @south cedar
south cedar
Hello there.
alpine cove
we're gonna be good friends nudist
winged quartz
tudo bem?
alpine cove
if you catch my drift
south cedar
LOL
alpine cove
long as you got the felix with the nips out
idle mica
what wont they ban u for now
median basalt
@strange wagon people say that stuff a lot
dark narwhal
If u catch my "bulge"
south cedar
@alpine cove actually do.
median basalt
I've also heard people say that they'll ban you if you go above 60k.
alpine cove
👌
fair magnet
well the only way to do that is by tampering with stuff you shouldnt
strange wagon
that literally means bye to 90% of the community if they do that
south cedar
i do my own felixes as well.
winged quartz
Under 65k, you won't create multiple meshes
alpine cove
i imagine if anything they'd just warn you
idle mica
They would have no one left lol
tidal aspen
they say something like that every update
fair magnet
unless you mean disabled parts as well
winged quartz
it makes no sense to be limited to 20k
tidal aspen
way too much fear mongering happens each patch
median basalt
It's technically not against TOS so they shouldn't ban you for it, but that doesn't mean they won't ever do it.
fair magnet
cause then my poly count is way higher
strange wagon
yea 65k is the most reasonable limit
alpine cove
custom felix 
hasty wedge
limited to 20k would cause the worlds biggest backlash
median basalt
I think the admins are well aware that tris count has no bearing on performance.
strange wagon
i have a custom felix 👀
gusty adder
It would be neat if there could be colliders that interact with other players.
However, to prevent stuff like people blocking others from moving altogether, they'd be limited to a certain size and only interact with its respective matching mesh or material or object or whatever.
ie, if you want something on your model to be interacted with by others, you add a property that lets it be, for that specific part, and only that part can be interacted with by someone who has the matching 'interact-er' property on their model
vocal shard
Im just really upset... I hope it changes. So ill write a serious note. VRchat is literally the reason I got a VR it is the only game i've ever played and really been wow'd due to emersion. I thought wow finally a game that people can be themselves and create what they want to create... animators can show off their hard work and be recognized and wow the people. I was so inspired by this game that while on desktop I thought to myself I have to get a VR. VRchat is so good because its not just a game its peoples ideas coming to life...I just really hope this update is reverted or something for the animation community happens meanwhile...I will not be on VRchat anymore until something happens with this update...sadly :/ have fun everyone ❤ goodbye
alpine cove
bury me in custom felixes
strange wagon
i am actually making a second one
alpine cove
i'll show you what's inside soldier 76's visor
strange wagon
a devil felix. i have a person that makes an angel felix instead
alpine cove
but be warned; it'll change you
median basalt
Instead of cracking down on people with 50k polys, instead focus on the guy with 20k polys, unoptimized dynamic bones, and 50 materials
indigo fern
inb4 it's traps
median basalt
I have honest to god seen models with 40 materials
winged quartz
true
median basalt
Atlasing that felt good
alpine cove
i wish it was traps
winged quartz
meshes are what lags people
median basalt
It's actually a combination of meshes and materials
mellow lava
whats wrong with the new update?
ruby needle
there are models with 200+ materials 
strange wagon
i optimize my models. cause everything just looks so shit in 20k for my taste.
ruby needle
thats the worst 
alpine cove
i need to re-optimize my soldier avatar
because i added some parts to it, but i did it in unity instead of blender
median basalt
Tbh I only atlas if I have more than 5 materials. I can't always be bothered.
strange wagon
someone had a 500k polygon shotgun on an avatar
dark narwhal
I need to re optimize my freetime
indigo fern
1 new material per poly, where my 19,999 materials at?
hasty wedge
mellow lava
I think the most materials I have on one model is... 15?
winged quartz
too much people here, imma go back to lurking~
strange wagon
most of my models have 5-10
gusty adder
Wouldn't it be neat if people could interact with other models?
But to prevent people from like, blocking people from moving altogether, they'd be limited in size (so like, hand size for instance), and would have a matching part.
So for example, an 'interact-er' and 'interacted with'. If you have something you're okay with others interacting with, then you put the 'interacted with' property on that part of your model.
If you want to interact with others, you put the 'interact-er' on your hands or whatever, and they could only interact with parts that have the 'interacted with' property.
south cedar
@vocal shard this update, IMO, it's meant to take down particles that crashes everyone in room-scale. That should stop and they made it right, it's the best they could do RIGHT NOW. They said it WILL change based on feedback, so now instead of using #vrchat-general-2 to give your feedback e-mail them so they can understand your concerns and help you and every other player around.
mellow lava
granted, combine same materials does nothing since they're all different, so
inner cape
strange wagon
so uh. does someone know if the 20k limit is still present in the new sdk
ruby needle
ofc
vocal shard
@south cedar thanks for the info ill go do that.
indigo fern
ye, of course
gusty adder
Why wouldn't it be?
strange wagon
👀
ruby needle
if the limit changes you will definitely find it in the update notes
alpine cove
20k polys specifically for felix's bulge
hasty wedge
wew
strange wagon
if i decimate felix to 20k it looks so bad
dark narwhal
Do we still have to login to our accounts or can i play as u guys now
mellow lava
I need 80k more polygons for reasons
hasty wedge
🅱anned
south cedar
@vocal shard no problem my friend, we all look forward for a better game and community for everyone, i also LOVED this game to it's core, and i will keep my support and try to do my best for it.
median basalt
Tbh the limit should be 60k. Instead, give us material limits.
strange wagon
65*
winged quartz
why a high poly bulge when you have normal maps--
ruby needle
then you need to get better at it @strange wagon
gusty adder
65K breaks stuff like visemes anyways
lone fable
banjo kazooie had less than 20k :<
gusty adder
if I remember correctly