your bitching isn't helping anything
#vrchat-general-2
vital holly
I mean how to test my avatar
mellow mango
Also please note:
There is a camera in the game now. You can take pictures, you can stream to YouTube from that lens, whatever.
If you have particle systems that you truly think shouldn't be broken, take a recording and shoot it to the devs or post it to canny.
tidal aspen
they could've just taken the money and ran
vocal shard
i mean it's true though, the mirrors have been broken forever
glass zodiac
Max particle systems : 200 ? xD only 10 spawn for me
raven silo
@vocal shard for vr user in the menu system
tidal aspen
you can have a max of 10 active at a time
raven silo
there record and selfie one
tidal aspen
200 maximum
mellow mango
You're correct @glass zodiac , there are only 10 systems
strange wagon
glass zodiac
@mellow mango and you're telling me that there is nothing wrong ?
and why i need 100 particles on my avatar ?
noble echo
i cant tell if youre deliberately being obtuse or just dumb
alpine cove
yeah, it sucks that the mirrors don't work great, but at least it's only client side for you
probably obtuse, since they have no actual constructive feedback to offer
verbal creek
what about if it was just a temp solution while they work on something better to deal with particle spammer that uses particles to crashe people on purpose, and also to maybe propose something more optimized to allow animator content creator to produce better particles effect at lower cost ?
zealous gyro
Guys
glass zodiac
@verbal creek the crashers are there since 1 month this update is overlate and it doesn't even fix the crash issue
alpine cove
too much work to offer constructive feedback, Madvicius
alpine cove
much better to just complain in vrchat discord
zealous gyro
Is simulated.
foggy raven
@zealous gyro ban
vocal shard
can someone pull the plug on my simulation then
verbal creek
I mean it is not consturctive to spam rage...
zealous gyro
Who knows? Only me
neat cradle
someone alt f4 my life simulation then
zealous gyro
You cannot delete a life nor destroy it
foggy raven
How I can add friend in my simulation?
neat cradle
likely thats the case
vocal shard
pls delete my life
whole lodge
If someone doesn't update their SDK. Doesn't that mean they can keep their crash guns?
vocal shard
oh i hope they are reading chat
neat cradle
well like it or not they likely are
mellow mango
@glass zodiac " it doesn't even fix the crash issue"
Prove it
zealous gyro
The simulation is because we "living" beings need to do good
mellow mango
Crash someone with 10 active particle systems and 5000 emissions per particle system
zealous gyro
I have been getting deeper
You know the mirror glitch?
The mirror glitch is basically a matrix glitch.
It is real.
alpine cove
when you look at yourself cross-eyed in the vrchat mirror, it's a glitch in the matrix 
zealous gyro
Stare in between your eyes on your forehead.
foggy raven
@zealous gyro when you blink you can't see yourself in mirror
zealous gyro
You will see the face getting blurry
Then
Generate a feeling
Sad or mad
And
You will see weird glitch
It is
Prove me wrong then!
How can you prove me wrong?
With just words?
alpine cove
one day someone will find my vrchat avatar picture-worthy and post it in the picture channel
that's my ultimate goal
mellow mango
zealous gyro
Words are not as offensive to get someone to die.
foggy raven
Our life is simulation. Change my mind @zealous gyro
neat cradle
deep shit my guy
mellow mango
What do you know about W O B
zealous gyro
You know quote on-quote "Every thing" about life.
foggy raven
raven silo
all the anime VR just going be look at the camera all it portable mirror lol
inch
charred crypt
A good age?
foggy raven
This is so deep. Can we get 69 
zealous gyro
Children are smart sometimes than parents
zealous gyro
Look
simple tinsel
Anyone else having friend world they are in not updating?
zealous gyro
one thing you gotta remember actual thing
You are building a very tall building by learning
halcyon pewter
we're all the same really
zealous gyro
The tallest building is the most intelligent man
charred crypt
Wh—?
halcyon pewter
ugh I miss playing roblox
halcyon pewter
that's the hookup
zealous gyro
Let's just say buildings are the same as our IQ levels
halcyon pewter
can I buy a new building or are you stuck with the building you're stuck with
foggy raven
94 it is average iq on russian
foggy raven
Life is hard
umbral reef
@viral stratus The capital of England
halcyon pewter
that was a depressing thing to say
charred crypt
You overcome it.
foggy raven
Can we get 10
zealous gyro
Nein
foggy raven
Because this is so sad
neat cradle
This is so sad can we live in a society
zealous gyro
vute 5 agrement
foggy raven
This is so vrchat. Can we get a real life
outer thorn
instead of limiting particles for everyone, why don't put an option that you can limit it or not? It's not funny to show animations to a friends that they cannot see...
outer thorn
glass zodiac
but yeah its kinda the best update ive ever seen
Many people are frustrated by the newest update restricting the particle amount. People who spend months creating particle systems to show them off to their friends are considering quitting the game or downloading hacked clients.
outer thorn
that's my case for example
neat cradle
the new hub is cool imo, and its funny to see my other PC take 5 seconds to make a 4k screenshot
and performance is bit better too which is cool
glass zodiac
yeah and even with this update crashers still work
outer thorn
I have really awesome patricles, I spent many many months and now...
glass zodiac
like wtf
foggy raven
@neat cradle can you download screenshot?
outer thorn
it's easy, they only need to add an option in system like they did with avatars
foggy raven
A new hub
glass zodiac
@outer thorn im in heaven and i can't see my particles but people with hacked client can BRUH.
neat cradle
@foggy raven are you asking for a screenshot of the new hub? or where the screenshots are held
glass zodiac
dude like 10% of the particles spawn
foggy raven
A new hub
neat cradle
i will, hold on
outer thorn
a friend gave me a file that if you change for the new one, you don't have the limit, but only players who got this file can see it
I know this guy
he is probably the best animator of vrchat
and he is actually not kidding about the 1200 hours
I dont have that much, but I have around 300
glass zodiac
im in his world dude
and yeah he is a god for that but he isn't the only one don't worry
outer thorn
I was in his world 5 mins ago XD
I know
there are many people
I hope that devs change that very fast
foggy raven
What world?
glass zodiac
can't say
outer thorn
I wil stop playing till they fix it, and it's very sad, cause I really enjoy the game, but without animations.. meh
alpine cove
devs are keeping an eye on canny for feedback on the particle systems
so no need to really panic yet
outer thorn
yes, it took 4 months to be able to have the movements like before @alpine cove
neat cradle
^
glass zodiac
panic is justified since crashers are there since 1 month and they do an update that is literally "useless" for that
outer thorn
panic is also justified cause it took 4 months to fix the problem with the new move system
neat cradle
outer thorn
when they only needed to put an option that allows you to use exactly the same as before
mellow mango
@neat cradle Are those delicious 4K?
outer thorn
I cant imagine how long will take for them to add an option like "do you want to see patriciles? yes/no -> if yes "1 particle to unlimited"
glass zodiac
@outer thorn they also reduced mesh quality AF
outer thorn
should be easy but..
neat cradle
@mellow mango yup thanks to CTRL+F12 feature, normally the PC i took these on runs the game at 30 fps at best on 360p rofl
glass zodiac
like my particles look like toons WTF
outer thorn
that's not an excuse tempest
alpine cove
so if you've got the fixes, you should apply
outer thorn
it doesn't matter at all
mellow mango
The 1 particle to unlimited is a little diengenuous on how particle systems work @outer thorn
outer thorn
I did, they ignored me
foggy raven
@neat cradle sweet
thorny sail
when your back on vrchat at it takes 30+ mins to download the world
glass zodiac
what i can see is that the game is losing players days after days
outer thorn
it's not dangerous if you play only in private worlds with your friends @mellow mango
alpine cove
i've not noticed any real drop in player count over the last few weeks
glass zodiac
@alpine cove go steam chart
outer thorn
and if you dont want to put unlimited, just put it to 10 or whatever, easy as that
alpine cove
i get on at pretty much the same time every day, and i see pretty much the same amount of people on at that time
mellow mango
That still isn't how particle systems work though.
alpine cove
it's lost an average of 280 people over the last month lol
mellow mango
And what did they get lost to? Restrictions, or crashy exploits?
I bet you it was the latter.
alpine cove
obviously the number has gone down since january because the big boom of streamers tapered off
glass zodiac
@alpine cove ? http://steamcharts.com/app/438100
alpine cove
yes
-283 over last 30 days
we're looking at the same page
the losses before that are from the big boom of streamers tapering off
glass zodiac
-3k in februrary dude ?
mellow mango
DO YOU KNOW DE WAY brought in 20,000 players
alpine cove
are you even reading?
chilly widget
what's the best way to update the Unity SDK? Delete Meta file and folder then install or just run the new sdk file?
mellow mango
Don't worry, the stream camera will make it hot hot hot again.
alpine cove
or just trying to find more shit to be angry about
lmao
those are players that were only playing when it was a huge streaming attraction
supple bison
Or ya know, implement a toggle particle systems in the submenu options to make it easier on those with potatoes for all the chads with 1080s to make bomb ass particle systems
alpine cove
it went from 620 peak players in november to 6400 in december
foggy raven
@chilly widget there is a check by update button
alpine cove
it's still up over 500% from what it was before pokelawls blew it up on youtube
chilly widget
i'm just asking should I delete the older data or not
mellow mango
Back when I started the peak players was 45 on average.
Compared to then, just having moving mouth and eyes is amazing.
lilac swan
@chilly widget Make sure unity is closed, then delete the VRCSDK folder and meta data.
foggy raven
I think no. Or it will ask you a newer version
chilly widget
mkay, thanks
outer thorn
well, you can talk about an average playerbase but the thing is that they destroyed the job of many many players, and they should fix that. They only need to put an option to toggle particle system and limit it or not
easy as that
alpine cove
"easy"
outer thorn
yes, it's easy
the same as they did limiting it, it's easy to create an option that allows you to change the limit
from 1 to whatever
alpine cove
the limit isn't strictly a limit on particles though
it limits 5 different aspects of the particle system
and that's not an end user friendly fix
because the typical user isn't going to know how many particles will crash them
versus how many will be fine
lost minnow
Why do you think particles would be easy to limit? Have you looked into how the system works? Unity generates particles as one big mesh and then tosses them out.
mellow mango
Though I do think that upping the number of systems from 10 to, say, 20, is a good idea, I think having sliders for all 10,000 possible options in Settings is a bad idea.
lost minnow
No, you don't understand
vocal shard
it's server limited
lost minnow
Limiting it as an option in the game, as I understand Unity, would be hard
vocal shard
no unlocks or sdk edits
alpine cove
you don't develop a program for the 1% of people who know exactly how to use it
you develop for the standard end user
that's software 101
just because you would know exactly what settings to put your limits at doesn't mean the other 6000+ people playing would
mellow mango
I do believe they should be catering to the professionals however.
safe prism
it's possible to optimize 1 million particles just fine
lost minnow
Nobody's a professional at everything
alpine cove
yeah, on the server side end for sure
but just 'putting a slider in options' is not a viable solution
which is why they didn't do it
mellow mango
"Nobody's a professional at everything" is a fallacy though.
safe prism
but why is it not viable
vocal shard
none of the people crying about this have said anything professional about it
alpine cove
because you design software for the majority of people who will use it
not the minority
mellow mango
There are many people who are good at what they're doing, and instead of limiting materials like they should, they limited particles which is also important, but "10" systems may be pretty light fare.
safe prism
idk i scrolled and i only saw an assumption
outer thorn
tempest what if you design it for everyone instead only for one part of the palyers? ^_^
mellow mango
I want them to limit avatars to 8 materials. I'd like to see what happens out of that.
outer thorn
why not both? 😄
outer thorn
yes you can
alpine cove
no, you cannot
outer thorn
yes you do
alpine cove
if you think you can you've never tried to develop software for more than 10 people before
vocal shard
if you want to make a lightshow, put it in a world where people can enjoy it ... don't spam your shit from an avatar
outer thorn
stop being that fanboy, I'm sure that I really love the game more than you and I spent more hours than you
alpine cove
lmao
lost minnow
How does a slider system tell the difference between a sparkler, a nuclear explosion, air bubbles, fireflies, fireworks, sparks, exploding coins, stars, clouds... and so on?
mellow mango
@outer thorn I disagree, because putting everything into the System menu would give you 5,000 different user-choosable options
safe prism
yeah but what if it's just difficult to change the UI and settings systems, thus a globally enforced limit was the easiest stopgap 
mellow mango
Which is not what the devs want.
outer thorn
that means that stop defending something that can not be defended
alpine cove
i am defending it easily though
and so are several other people
meanwhile you're offering zero constructive criticism
outer thorn
@mellow mango then if you go to a lobby with friends, they can see it because you will talk with them and they will unlock the limit
alpine cove
it's understandable to be frustrated if your animations no longer work
but complaining about it in here is not helpful
mellow mango
You passed completely over my argument @outer thorn .
outer thorn
zero conscructive? I'm saying what they should do, how to do it, etc.
that's zero constructive?
alpine cove
post it on canny
outer thorn
you are zero constructive saying that they cant work for everyone
vocal shard
'unlock the limit' ... please read up on what's changed
alpine cove
they're not going to read it in a chat channel that gets 500 messages an hour
glass zodiac
there isn4t constructive cristism possible for this issue since this issue is stupid af lol
mellow mango
"If you're with friends its okay", thats fine, but that doesn't solve the Blender-like settings menu.
ocean yacht
stop arguing we all now particles should just be toggle able
alpine cove
so what if i want to see specific peoples' particles
but not everyone's?
that's not a solution for everyone
lol
ocean yacht
similiar to how safe mode works maybe
outer thorn
then go with him to a private world
lost minnow
Yes, it's zero constructive to just say "I want it to look like this" without a thought of how the system works in the background
outer thorn
easy as that
vocal shard
the particle using niche of the community brought this on themselves by being a nuisance to normal players in public maps
alpine cove
i play vrchat to interact with new people in public worlds
mellow mango
@outer thorn how about this. Limit the avatars in public and friends+. Period. Unlock it in a Friends instance.
No settings. That's how it is.
vocal shard
make a world and spazz out with a zillion systems
outer thorn
hmm
tidal aspen
I wound't say it's fair calling everyone using particles as being a nuisance
vocal shard
yeah, true but it's mostly terrible
lost minnow
Don't say garbage like "particle using niche"
raven silo
problem no one use the toggle no want to use panic button
alpine cove
i still don't think that's a solution for all people, Shanie, because i know lots of people like myself who prefer to occupy public worlds
tidal aspen
yeah some people are obnoxious about it, but not everyone
buoyant estuary
Generalizing everyone that uses particle systems 🤔
lost minnow
Particles are a core aspect of Unity. Would you rather people imported models with a thousand moving parts for their special effects? It would be 100x slower and impossible to limit.
alpine cove
and currently, without limits in place, my only options are to block someone and be completely unable to interact with them, or deal with lagging out
tidal aspen
I doubt the people complaining about the changes are the ones being obnoxious in public rooms
mellow mango
I don't mind being in a public world, but if they want to show off their skills, they'll have to do it in a higher security zone. That just makes sense.
vocal shard
particles is not skills, lmfao
raven silo
best not abuse the system if want to keep it
mellow mango
*show off their skills (or lack thereof)
alpine cove
i think another decent fix would be to allow a 'block' that doesn't actually block someone, just safe modes their avatar
so you can still interact with them
mellow mango
An avatar block, if you will
alpine cove
yeah
buoyant estuary
That's already there
lost minnow
"Animating isn't a skill" "World designing isn't a skill" "Avatar making isn't a skill lmao"
raven silo
it only block non friend avatar
tidal aspen
Hmm i'd say there's skill involved in making particles look good
alpine cove
yeah but i don't want to block everyone's avatars, just the ones that lag me lol
umbral reef
You ever did bigger animation work then with particles?
mellow mango
There's a lot of skill involved in making particles look good and be efficient
mellow mango
I'm sure we'll see the guidelines change.
vocal shard
it's not final and it's just for avatars ffs
alpine cove
mmhm
only way to get changes is to post in canny though with recommendations
if you're posting only in here and not upvoting/posting relevant things in canny they're straight up just not going to happen
glass zodiac
since making an update that was supposed to counter crash took 1 month and didn't even fixed it think how many time it will take to get particles work again
lost minnow
If it's not final, all the more reason to talk about it. More talking means they get a better final solution in place.
alpine cove
yeah. talking about it is fine if it's constructive, for sure
vocal shard
I am surprised by the backlash myself, I didn't think there was so many people enjoying that stuff, I'm sorry
alpine cove
but it'd be silly to expect the devs to dig through hundreds and hundreds of messages in this channel, so hopefully the people with constructive ideas are also posting them on canny
placid umbra
It's just the first iteration, I'm confident that things will be improved with time.
lost minnow
Have you ever tried to work with particle systems? I don't think so
alpine cove
the first iteration was absolutely necessary
vocal shard
all the time
lost minnow
Otherwise you'd understand just how useful and powerful they are
alpine cove
because the crashing particles have become super prevalent over the last week
placid umbra
and yes, please post/vote on the Canny. If you can find an existing post and vote it up, it helps a lot.
vocal shard
I have particles on all my avatars, just not lightshows
lost minnow
Saying "they don't take skill" just means you haven't gone deep into them
alpine cove
like Pug and Presentation Room were almost entirely unplayable last saturday
vocal shard
The update didn't even prevent crash particles lol
alpine cove
constant crashing for hours on end
vocal shard
I love how people think if you don't like particles you never used them
glass zodiac
im not sure if some people are aware that the crash still work
lost minnow
Oh, you don't like particles?
gusty adder
People complaining in the first place don’t realize they don’t really have any right to. It was fully your own choice to spend however much time or money you did on it. It was never an official part of VRChat they acknowledged as acceptable in the form it was. The devs can do whatever they want. And if you’re someone who actually does care, then you’ll find better and more efficient ways to do it anyways.
alpine cove
how could we not be aware? it's all you've said for the last 2 hours
gusty adder
Ie, deal with it.
lost minnow
"All my avatars have particles" "I don't like particles"
alpine cove
but i've seen just as many people saying they haven't been crashed yet as people saying the crash particles still work
vocal shard
calm down, I can not like light shows
glass zodiac
@alpine cove because you're probably not concerned about this
lost minnow
If any particle effect more complicated than what you can make is a "light show", then no, you can't say that
gusty adder
The update isn’t about crash particles anyways, it’s about particle flooding and people not knowing how to make it efficient in the slightest.
lost minnow
No, it's about crash particles
vocal shard
you just assume stuff now, be civil
gusty adder
yeah it’s about crash particles according to you
oh great, what a meaningful statement
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tidal aspen
If it wasn't about crash particles why would the limit be 20k
lost minnow
Why? You're assuming anyone affected by this is making a "garbage light show"
gusty adder
you do realize you don’t even need like 5 particles to crash someone
alpine cove
a majority of the crashers were using particle bombs though
so while it might not stop it entirely, it will reduce it significantly
gusty adder
Particle bomb stuff by just spamming a ton won’t work outside of modifying SDK or whatever now
tidal aspen
a lot of the low effort crash particles were just particle systems with a fuckton of particles
vocal shard
I hope everybody votes so we get a toggle and a limit 😄
naive eagle
they didn't fix the crash that everyone is using, AT ALL
lost minnow
Well, I have it on good authority it is
alpine cove
won't work even then, lilirin
gusty adder
Actual crashing through knowledges use will
alpine cove
it's enforced server side
alpine cove
you can modify the sdk to make your animations show fully client-side, i believe someone said
and anyone with that modification will also see your animations fully
gusty adder
The people who actually know how to crash systems in general will still be able to
Because they don’t need to rely on the easy way of spamming a shit ton of particles
But script kiddies and newbie trolls won’t be able to anymore :v
alpine cove
yeah, i would be shocked if more than 10% of people crashing others were doing it in that way
gusty adder
as for the people going “blah blah blah my X hours of work/effects/dances”
vocal shard
@gusty adder yes exactly. thank you
naive eagle
prepare to be shocked, because like I just said, it still works
gusty adder
Azami
naive eagle
why speak if you don't know what you're talking about
alpine cove
most of the people crashing Pug and Presentation Room public worlds are just loading in and dropping millions of particles
naive eagle
are you sure about that
naive eagle
gritty shard
I am not sure about all this crashing stuff but in all honesty when it comes to being annoying, a single particle can take up an entire world. Hell it doesn't even need to be a particle. You can do the same using a single polygon. Personally I think this new limitation is pointless.
placid umbra
I get that discussion is heated, but anyone flaming others needs to stop.
lost minnow
Wow, good luck with that shitty opinion
vocal shard
no
naive eagle
I don't know how anyone can deny that
gusty adder
Nice, attacking the opinion without any actual work
vocal shard
lol
lost minnow
Your opinion is "boohoo everything is fine for me"
gusty adder
???
lost minnow
Soooo...
gusty adder
You should scroll up and read again.
lost minnow
And you should scroll up and read what I said.
placid umbra
I have no issue kicking people who are flaming others. If you want to argue, take it to DM.
alpine cove
i salute you Aev, good luck, I have to drive home now
gusty adder
I believe I’m being pretty calm and not flaming, more of debating.
paper notch
How do I mixamo
paper notch
O shi tru
vocal shard
install bonzi buddy 
paper notch
Whats that link
winged quartz
I wonder
paper notch
Are you trying to rat me
foggy echo
Lmao
ashen hatch
It's to an article about how to use Mixamo to make a model for vrchat.
neat cradle
mixamo has never fully worked for me, usually it makes my models sideways, super super tiny, or the one time i got it to somewhat work the avatar looked really strange if i looked up
gusty adder
I stated @lost minnow didn’t really have any actual foundation to complain about the new particle system limits because it was never acknowledged by the devs as acceptable in the form it was in. It was always unofficial and community side creations the devs weren’t responsible for. The devs can do whatever they want. If the people lost their work, that’s on them. It was on their own choice to spend however much time or money they did. It was always unofficial and they should always have known it was their own choice to do whatever they did and that the devs could change it at any time. If they didn’t, again, that’s on them for not realizing it. Not the devs. If you choose to work on unofficial parts of a game by basically using functions that weren’t ever acknowledged as something to be used in the game specifically in the form it was used, it’s simple logic that the devs can remove it or change it however, because it wasn’t ever official. Even if it was official, they could remove it or whatever because they were the devs and they’re not the ones supporting the whole thing with commissions and it’s always on the people to choose the time they spend to use on it.
paper notch
Whats vrchat
ashen hatch
A game that some losers play
paper notch
My moms calling me hold on
winged quartz
oh that wall of text pepehands
lost minnow
Yeah, it's not worth using Mixamo
ashen hatch
only nerds play vrchat
gusty adder
Mixamo is fine for people starting off
foggy echo
Wow
naive eagle
okay I went and learned how to program and now I'm back, turns out crash particles on sub-emitters (the same way everyone does it) still work 👻
gusty adder
It has decent base rigs and simple animations for people who don’t want to spend too much time or have just started off
ashen hatch
get bullied
lost minnow
How awkward. In the end, they did nothing to fix the problem.
foggy echo
Azami, that ghost face and your profile pic 👌 so good together
gusty adder
Okay then if you actually care about subemitter crash particles, then figure out a way to stop said subemitter crashing and then inform the devs? Problem solved.
naive eagle
already did
gusty adder
did they respond?
ashen hatch
Mixamo is great if you just need a simplistic rig for vrchat
lone arch
i love mixamo
ashen hatch
I see it as a last resort if nothing else works
gusty adder
Mixamo is a good starting stone
That’s basically what it is
For beginners, people new to VR Chat, people new to modelling and animations, etc
waxen island
so i downloaded my mixamo rig but it's just a prefab with an animation file
wispy scarab
Mixamo is the superior website. It's way better than CATS.
gusty adder
xd
paper notch
My avatar is in the ground in unity, how to fix?
tulip violet
Um... I been getting a Security Issue of the related Update... Can i get a Mod to DM Me?
ashen hatch
Mixamo doesn't let you all the bones that CATS does
analog hull
why would you use mixamo instead of cats wtf?
paper pecan
What people don’t understand is that vr headsets half the graphics full power for instance 1070ti would act like having a 1020 with a headset active. They are trying to optimise for VR not for toasters. As for particle limits they should be higher and sub emitters should be lower. Don’t forget they are asking for feedback on it not QQ can’t upload this is shit I’m leaving etc etc.
Don’t forget this game is early access, if you want them to fix things stop whinging at them and give them some constructive godamn crit. I’m not a big fan of the changes either but the more you whinge the more they just won’t listen.
analog hull
you loose all the bones used for hair, skirts, swords, etc if you use mixamo
ashen hatch
Like most rigs come with lots of bones (mmd ones atleast) and mixamo bones lose a lot of stuff like hair or clothes bones
tulip violet
Can I please get an Mod or Admin to DM Me... I just noticed theres been a Security Bug Issue
alpine cove
Mixamo has issues if your mesh textures are touching too
hollow bluff
lost minnow
One man's constructive criticism is another man's whinging
lone arch
Mixamos are so cute omg (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)⁄ when you hold one in your hand and it starts twitching its like its nuzzling you(/ω＼) or when they perk up and look at you like" owo nya? :3c" hehe ~ mixamo-kun is happy to see me!!（＾ワ＾）and the most adorable thing ever is when sperm-sama comes out but theyre rlly shy so u have to work hard!!(๑•̀ㅁ•́๑)✧ but when mixamo-kun and blender-sama meet and theyre blushing and all like "uwaaa~!" (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ: ･ﾟhehehe~mixamo-kun is so adorable (●´Д｀●)・::
wispy scarab
Mixamos are so cute omg (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)⁄ when you hold one in your hand and it starts twitching its like its nuzzling you(/ω＼) or when they perk up and look at you like" owo nya? :3c" hehe ~ mixamo-kun is happy to see me!!（＾ワ＾）and the most adorable thing ever is when sperm-sama comes out but theyre rlly shy so u have to work hard!!(๑•̀ㅁ•́๑)✧ but when mixamo-kun and blender-sama meet and theyre blushing and all like "uwaaa~!" (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ: ･ﾟhehehe~mixamo-kun is so adorable (●´Д｀●)
gusty adder
no
naive eagle
Mixamos are so cute omg (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)⁄ when you hold one in your hand and it starts twitching its like its nuzzling you(/ω＼) or when they perk up and look at you like" owo nya? :3c" hehe ~ mixamo-kun is happy to see me!!（＾ワ＾）and the most adorable thing ever is when sperm-sama comes out but theyre rlly shy so u have to work hard!!(๑•̀ㅁ•́๑)✧ but when mixamo-kun and blender-sama meet and theyre blushing and all like "uwaaa~!" (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ: ･ﾟhehehe~mixamo-kun is so adorable (●´Д｀●)・::
tulip kernel
@tulip violet post in bug report section ❤
lost minnow
😱
tulip kernel
ive been spotted
gusty adder
supposing it’s the real one, hi there
tidal aspen
is that the real girl
gusty adder
your videos are always pretty entertaining
ashen hatch
Your video on how to get a trap voice is very helpful
tulip kernel
I mean, you right click and hit my profile, my channel and twitter are varified 😛
glad to be of service, trapping is the real whey
wispy scarab
Traps are gay.
analog hull
if you want to improve fps, remove lightnings, not the particles... And not creating a toggle option just makes it so stupid, I think if you want a game to evolve, you cant take out features, you need to add features instead. At this point, this game is walking backwards
umbral reef
Now teach people how to do a reverse trap voice :kappa: @tulip kernel
paper notch
Ben what you told me to do crashed my mixamo with cats now my blender is making a smoothie
How to fix?
umbral reef
My life has been a lie then
wispy scarab
Stonapse delete system32 then reinstall Windows and Mixamo will work.
gusty adder
On mobile atm so I didn’t see the verified thing @tulip kernel
wispy scarab
I promise.
paper notch
Ah alright ty
paper notch
Im on my phone because my pc just blue screened, is that supposed to happen?
median basalt
These changes are just one of many, welcome to the end.
They're slowly but surely killing the game
neat cradle
what did it say when that happened like IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or stuff like that
median basalt
They keep limiting the stuff you can do with avatars and worlds while also not stopping the crashing. I give it a couple of months before they jump the shark
gusty adder
oh no the extreme minority of the playerbase leaving because they don’t get to mess around with unofficial effects they chose to spend time on themselves without learning how to make it efficient :v
What a tragedy
median basalt
This isn't just "hurr durr I lost my particles", they're trying to cater to a new audience now
And the last few updates are making that increasingly clear
placid umbra
You need to stop trolling, last warning
gusty adder
Are you talking to me Aev?
vocal shard
U need to stop killimg vrc
placid umbra
Yep
gusty adder
I’m not sure how I’m trolling
I’m being serious with what I’m saying, do you mind clarifying?
placid umbra
You're digging for emotional responses and trying to get reactions out of people with statements like that
Clearly people are upset, making fun of them will not help anything.
paper notch
Yes
gusty adder
Other than that one statement above in sarcasm, most of the stuff I said has been calm, logically reasoned statements.
Like that one block of text I had a little bit above.
lone arch
@vocal shard 
vocal shard
Is it just me or are worlds loading in faster. Because thats awesome.
stark swallow
my game keeps lagging help
paper notch
I cant even run the game now
still quarry
man i can't wait for the optimization update
vocal shard
Instead of dumb limits. Disabling player local collision would stop crashing for the most part
gusty adder
Optimization is always usually an issue with newer not-large company games
I mean the limits should still be there regardless, there’s no reason to need a lot of particles.
Make your effects more efficient.
tidal aspen
stopping playerlocale isn’t gonna do anything they can just subemit from any other collision
thin sandal
Attempt to fix crashing people, just breaks a lot of people's animations and work without actually fixing the crashing issue
Good job team
vocal shard
@gusty adder i can use 20 particles at the same time, which barely spawn something, so no lag at all, but now it's fucked because of that limitations
umbral reef
Maybe instead of complaining and being angry suggest fixes in the Canny
stark swallow
i fixed the lagging problem my ethernet cable wasnt plugged in all the way 
raven silo
yea best sent feeback to canny tell how they can adjust it better
more like to listen in the canny
vocal shard
that limitation is just dumb
the toggle particles is a way better idea
you dont like particles effect ? toggle them off for you, but let other people enjoy those bullshit
gusty adder
Why do you even need that many particles..?
median basalt
We literally gave fixes for tons of issues to the devs and they ignored it
umbral reef
Or go yell at staff and users trying to help other users here also works /s
vocal shard
to make some better effect when i make a big animation
gusty adder
I’m 99% certain just about anything you can do
glass zodiac
90% of my avatars are ready to go for the trash
vocal shard
i don't turn them off individually
gusty adder
You can do with less particles within said limit
vocal shard
i use "start delay" and stuff like that
naive eagle
uhhhh
raven silo
@median basalt developer not going look on discord for anwser reason they use canny
vocal shard
and they are all active at the same time but not emitting anything
gusty adder
And
naive eagle
median basalt
@raven silo the same happens on Canny, the same happened when people literally emailed them fixes
gusty adder
If there’s an effect that would require more than said limit in particles, it’s too big of an effect anyways.
south viper
...oh no
median basalt
They don't care about avatars being stolen or anything, they care about making those streamer bucks
idle beacon
Yup
stark swallow
what are these
median basalt
That's why they give preferential treatment to streamers
vocal shard
no it's not and you know it
stark swallow
particles you speak of
alpine cove
Lmao
thin sandal
What's funny is a lot of people don't know how particles actually fucking work
stark swallow
what is a particlee
glass zodiac
@thin sandal thats why its useless to talk here
placid umbra
No need to attack others about this
umbral reef
This chat was (before today then) only about asking for help really
neat cradle
the most simple thing i can say is it makes stuff like emotes/animations look cooler if they know what they are doing @stark swallow
umbral reef
Now its the animation community complaining 👀
So its not to odd most people dont know anything about animations here or avatars
There is a reason the #avatars-2-general is more active then the main channels ;p
lost minnow
It's not free if you have to pay your time. If you don't agree with me, I got some F2P games I can get paid for recommending you to...
alpine cove
saying anyone "has" to pay with their time is ridiculous
umbral reef
Wait wat
You do this for enjoyment i hope.. Not as work playing a game
rocky blaze
is it possible to still steal someones personal avatar even if they are not using it?
glass zodiac
anyways were talking for nothing since this "limit" was supposed to counter crashes but it doesn't LOL
umbral reef
You give up time
You do not pay with it
lost minnow
😆
alpine cove
to imply that anyone 'has' to invest their time into vrchat to enjoy it is just silly
south viper
time and money are both spent
alpine cove
you chose to invest your time into vrchat
umbral reef
Both are optional
alpine cove
it's not like it's a free to play game
south viper
yeah, you choose to spend both
soft skiff
sighs.
alpine cove
plenty of people get plenty of enjoyment out of vrchat running around as the default leprauchaun model lol
mellow mango
@vocal shard why wouldn't you turn off the emitter instead of pausing it...?
umbral reef
Can also not spend both 🤷
or not spend one of the two and ect
You CAN spend it, your not being forced to
gusty adder
“They don’t care about avatar theft”
median basalt
Yeah, this particle system change was stupid
median basalt
It doesn't stop crashers but limits what we can do
alpine cove
ah, thanks for clearing that up for us
alpine cove
i was wondering if it was stupid or not
vocal shard
@mellow mango just for an simple example, i have some particles system that are always active but emission is turned off
so when i use a hand gesture to start the emission they will not disappear if i stop the hand gesture
gusty adder
It was the patch where they had private/public setting for avatars..?
Were you not around?
median basalt
That's only for pedestals, that's so non-hackers cannot use your avatars
vocal shard
that's only for pedestals
mellow mango
@vocal shard ah I got you.
vocal shard
they can still take your shit even if it's private
median basalt
They can even borrow your blueprint ID if it's private
Which would be a basic serverside check
A couple of talented people in this community literally GAVE fixes to the devs for avatar stealing, but they refused to implement it. They just don't care. They don't care about creators, that's why the poly limit is still 20k.
alpine cove
if they didn't care they wouldn't update the game at all
please stop being melodramatic
median basalt
It's all about those livestreamers now, why do you think we got the cameras?
No, they do care, they just want to shift their target audience, which will kill this game.
raven silo
there were plain give camera last year
alpine cove
yes yes
gusty adder
yes it’s almost like people who give them publicity is good for the game
analog patrol
tfw peoe try to make statements but dont know how stuff works, gj rokk for actaully providing reasons here instead od spreading false facts
mellow mango
Livestreaming brings in population, so of course that's a good idea in general
soft skiff
SIGHS.
gusty adder
I dislike Unity as a game engine in general.
median basalt
@mellow mango sure, but they shouldn't gimp the creators
vocal shard
Just pray for a bad meme to happen like the knuckles
median basalt
It's audio sources yesterday, it's particles today. Tomorrow, it's gonna be shaders or some stuff like that.
gusty adder
It’s on the creators to do whatever they want. That’s not their problem Rokk.
median basalt
Because of the gore images
mellow mango
As for the avatar theft, yes, they did try to stop the theft, so they changed their method to a different exploit. It's a cat and mouse chase
median basalt
They will kill shaders, so get ready for that.
alpine cove
yes, generally when problems arise, game developers try to fix them
median basalt
Sure, but the problem is that they're sacrificing everything and everyone else
analog patrol
different exploit, boi. i can get ur avatar file when i know ur id without any software at all
gusty adder
Losing particle effects with a ton of particles isn’t an actual problem.
median basalt
And what ever happened to those millions of dollars? You're telling me that money can't be used to add an if-statement to the code, checking whether an avatar is private before the blueprint is used?
To just name one thing
@gusty adder it's not just "a ton" of particles
raven silo
vrchat is still small group developer
analog patrol
just encrypt on pipelining its basics
alpine cove
you guys are smart, you should make your own game
gusty adder
They can sacrifice things. If they sacrifice something that’s actually important, they’ll fix and bring it back. Your particle effects aren’t important.
median basalt
A friend of mine had a subtle lightning effect on his hammer. It's like 3 lightning rays total. Gone now.
alpine cove
or fill out the job applications, vrchat is hiring
median basalt
My flying knives? Gone.
idle beacon
That friend is me.
mellow mango
If you could show me that bug I'd be super interested @analog patrol
median basalt
Ayy
soft skiff
'millions of dollars'
idle beacon
My lightning is gone.
gusty adder
Okay? So?
soft skiff
that's hilarious
analog patrol
its not a bug its open to everyone
idle beacon
It's just fucking gone. Nowhere to be found in game.
raven silo
yea if you have skill apply vrchat webpage
mellow mango
Again would love to see it
analog patrol
but im not gonna share lel
vocal shard
this ''''friend'''' who has a shit 2013 laptop or smth said this and i immediately left the group https://i.gyazo.com/09ec786c15dcf326ccc4b1c65ed8518b.png
gusty adder
Okay? @idle beacon
vocal shard
we ain't friends anymore
analog patrol
dm me
median basalt
Lol, mods are working overtime tonight
alpine cove
sounds like you'd be a garbage friend in the first place then kiri
they're probably better off
vocal shard
fuck off lmao
idle beacon
Mods ain't getting sleep tonight while Admins play with 4 million dollars that they got from Vive.
vocal shard
this is a game for vr not for shit laptops
get outta here with ur intergrated graphics
naive eagle
ITC: people who don't make animations talking about animation limits 
vocal shard
"uninstall button works great"
soft skiff
'4 million dollars'
alpine cove
i don't have integrated graphics, but man you're really reinforcing the point that you'd be an awful person to have as a friend
soft skiff
legit laughing out loud
vocal shard
speak for urself then
idle mica
"uninstall button works great"
peak pollen
Uninstall button works great
idle beacon
vocal shard
ur just being a dicksuccer at this point
idle beacon
Eyes broke?
idle mica
"uninstall button works great"
umbral reef
Can yo guys circle jerk in the animation discord again 
nova oriole
where are the ppictures from the camera sent too?
muted plaza
NSA
mellow mango
@median basalt 3 rays, gone? I don't think that's how it works unless you're just idling shit
gray echo
Uninstall button works great
vocal shard
oclac sweetie u dont control the chats go mini-mod elsewhere uwu
soft skiff
@idle beacon Way to assume I'm not on top of VRC's funding, and way to assume what I'm implying by laughing at your statement.
pearl wasp
guys that new update i heard the uninstall button works great apparently
soft skiff
@idle beacon 4 million doesn't last very long when you're burning hard.
umbral reef
Honest to god i kinda just plain hope they dont fix this shit because of how toxic you guys are 😂
idle beacon
Like 6 people need to work really hard to burn 4 million
vocal shard
bitch u called me a cunt earlier tf
alpine cove
well the update has been live for a grand total of 4 hours and people are already threatening to quit
umbral reef
Idc my own avatars are scuffed
idle beacon
Otherwise they're fucking retards
umbral reef
I said you acted like that, not that you where one
alpine cove
so i doubt they're going to make it long enough for a fix
median basalt
@alpine cove is that really so odd? There are people who spent hours upon hours working on cool animations, only to find that it's all been removed. For the sake of muh streamers.
median basalt
And they still didn't fix the particle crashers
vocal shard
gusty adder
It’s not removed for the sake of streamers, Rokk
soft skiff
@idle beacon Oh aren't you adorable. Assuming that all they're using that cash for is paying employee salaries.
gusty adder
And that’s on them for spending hours
glass zodiac
@median basalt don't be toxic. Kappa
idle beacon
Rather than fixing the crashers they just straight up scuffed everyone's animations.
potent beacon
realistically speaking, I don't think anyone is going to quit just because they can't spam as many particles as they use to be able to
median basalt
The past updates have all basically been for streamers. They're gonna remove shaders next, they're gonna say it's to get rid of the gore pictures that people spam.
alpine cove
you haven't been watching this chat then Meeps
umbral reef
Nope
I am and act like a cunt and asshole
I know that for sure so no need to tell me that
But i only seen you angry ranting about this topic while being agressive so i got no idea if you are a cunt
alpine cove
according to these people VRChat devs literally murdered their family
median basalt
@potent beacon it all adds up
glass zodiac
@potent beacon no they wont, they will download hacked clients
umbral reef
Just that you act like one currently
gray echo
Why do black people smell
gusty adder
It doesn’t even matter if people quit, the ones that do will be far and few beyond.
median basalt
Hacked clients can get you banned and they would only work with other hacked clients.
alpine cove
hacked client won't do anything except let them see the particles
so they can go ahead
median basalt
You can't say "look at my cool particles boii"
vocal shard
ya okay sweetie whatever u say lil mini-mod
umbral reef
Rokk is handling this pretty well explaining things calm
floral aspen
lol the salt is real in here
gusty adder
I mean
People chose to spend hours or whatever working on things that were never official or acknowledged as acceptable in the form they were in
soft skiff
it's like the scene in 2001 where the primates are going apeshit around the monolith
gusty adder
ie, they were always working in the grey area
umbral reef
Also, im hella sure fi any type of mod or beta tested acted like i did they would lose there rank 😂
mellow mango
@median basalt The only way I can explain that is they have 10 other particle emitters just idling or running in the background
umbral reef
So calling me a mini mod is a bit off
gusty adder
They don’t get to complain when it’s removed
median basalt
@gusty adder how so? We were given a whitelist of components that we could use. We used them.
mellow mango
So they should, I dunno, fix their shit
median basalt
They never said "be careful guys, particles are a grey area!"
foggy raven
You don't need particles if you living in society
vocal shard
ur literally telling people to talk about this in another chat
how is that not minimodding
idle beacon
We live in a society.
median basalt
BOTTOM TEXT
vocal shard
its a shame we live in a society where ppl like oclac exist
soft skiff
Guess AltSpace will see a tick up in membership.
Since so many of you are bailing.
😃
alpine cove
and when people crashing others with particles started to become prevalent you should have realized some changes were going to happen
median basalt
I think people don't understand that this outrage isn't just over the particles
@alpine cove but they didn't fix particle crashers.
gusty adder
There’s multiple ways to crash people
alpine cove
yes, that's what 3 people have been saying
idle beacon
Particle crashers are still at large.
rough pulsar
There's no need for any kind of comments like that @vocal shard
vocal shard
no need for this update either sweetie uwu
gusty adder
This update also still did remove a few said ways
median basalt
They'll move to other methods
vocal shard
%
alpine cove
and those methods will be fixed
median basalt
As long as an equal or greater method exists, nothing changes
vocal shard
^
alpine cove
that's how game development works
gusty adder
Yes almost like how any sort of security thing works, Rokk
There will always be vulnerabilities or such that will always need to be fixed
raven silo
if people keep abuse more stuff just reduce.
foggy raven
Guys didn't you heard about particles problem yet?
median basalt
Yeah, by killing particles entirely. That's how they're gonna fix it. Maybe they should look into those crashy particles from a technical perspective. See what is causing the crashes, and why. Because the number of particles is only one factor.
median basalt
I know, but they're gonna
lean bear
theres still people with crash particles
gusty adder
And why do you assume that?
idle beacon
Maybe they should just remove custom avatars and custom worlds. We can all hang out in the hub with our Nikeis.
median basalt
As in, that's the only way that they'll truly get rid of crash particles
lean bear
didn't do anything
umbral reef
To be fair its more a pest problem instead of a single mouse...
(The bugs/problems vrc has and how hard they can be to fix)
gusty adder
This is the first time they’ve limited particles
blissful sable
Honestly, Nikkei is a dope avatar.
floral aspen
lol overreact much? They're not gonna completely get rid of particles
gusty adder
It’s a bit unreasonable to assume they’d remove them altogether just from this one patch
raven silo
here how to adjust it https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits
vocal shard
they just did tho @floral aspen
gusty adder
Kiri
floral aspen
no they didn't . You can still have particles. Stop overreacting
gusty adder
The limit isn’t 0
raven silo
no they didnt remove you just need fix up particle
gusty adder
They didn’t completely remove it
vocal shard
afaik most of the particles in game don't work now
gusty adder
okay so what?
gusty adder
so what?
vocal shard
basically
alpine cove
i mean, i've seen 2 people say that
blissful sable
They removed complex, good looking effects. So people gotta provide feedback and explain it instead of whimping here.
gusty adder
they’ve removed the current existence of most particle effects people use with a ton of particles
so what?
vocal shard
mei has already given good feedback
gusty adder
you can still use particle effects within the limits of said particles given
vocal shard
they probably won't pay attention to it
indigo fern
More feedback the better, always
gusty adder
Particle effects weren’t removed.
glass zodiac
xd people that don't know shit about particles talking, they reduced the mesh quality close to ,trash every particle looks ugly and you can basicly spawn 10 emiters thats nothing for complex effects
vocal shard
^
umbral reef
To be fair Rokk did also give some good feedback in a proper way
Mei did first insult/yell tho
vocal shard
honestly if u don't use particles pls just shut up LMAO
raven silo
if have skill to know how to keep it perfomance and good enough particle put in https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests
vocal shard
mei had the complete right to do so
indigo fern
Oh what's this? An actual place to give feedback?
https://vrchat.canny.io/
gusty adder
If you can’t be civil, you shouldn’t be discussing, Kiri.
sharp heron
Something is wrong with clearing the cache. Instead of telling you to login manually... it's acting like it was never cleared out. And I did it exactly.
alpine cove
and stop being such a shithead
fringe shoal
vocal shard
nah fuck off tempest pls ;')
umbral reef
It is a game and yelling at a community manager for dev things is dumb man
gusty adder
Tempest, come on.
alpine cove
don't mini-mod me bro
analog canopy
So I have a question, what exactly changed with world particles?
umbral reef
Its yelling at a store worker because a sale sucks
floral aspen
you can use ikfollower now instead of the rigidbody trick
raven silo
they adjust when they have all the info
median basalt
The maximum on active particle systems is too low. Collision quality is punished too harshly. Mesh particles in particular are punished unfairly.
analog canopy
Really? I'll have to look into it then, those rigid bodies are a pain in the butt
blissful sable
@analog canopy apparently you don't need the workaround anymore
median basalt
Like, I think the devs underestimate how many particle systems you can get with subemitters
idle beacon
I made my first avatar 3 days ago and my particle effect is just scuffed. It makes me really sad.
vocal shard
tempest, a non particle user: lmao too fucking bad @idle beacon
idle beacon
I worked super hard on it, even made my own sounds and now part of the effect just poofed.
gusty adder
@blissful sable I get that it sucks that super intricate or fancy or particle heavy animations and whatnot were lost when hours or such of work were spent or commissions were made or whatever. But that’s just tough luck. Particle effects weren’t ever acknowledged as being acceptable in the state they were in before this patch with however many particles without really any sort of limit at all. IE, it was always basically gray area, and you and all other people who did stuff under it were under said inherent principle the devs can do whatever they want with particles and it’s not their fault for doing so. People that choose to spend time and whatever did so on their own time. That’s not the devs’ responsibility.
pearl wasp
"thats just tough luck" who hurt you
idle beacon
Tough luck? It's just choking out creativity without fixing the issue at hand.
gusty adder
Okay, congratulations @idle beacon . I’m sure it looks great and that you did good work. (Not being sarcastic here, legitimate compliment) It’s just unfortunate because it won’t work in VR Chat.
analog canopy
I made a little bit of snow fall on my yoshino and it took me upwards of 15 hours to get the world particles to work. I'm very happy to hear it's easier now, how would I set it up in unity?
median basalt
@gusty adder thanks for the meaningless comment lol
gusty adder
okay, similar to the one you just made?
median basalt
No offense, but this doesn't really add anything to the argument
gusty adder
I forgot complimenting people is unnecessary.
vocal shard
tempest why the fuck are you still typing
seriously dude shut up you don't even do animation/particles
alpine cove
that's why i'm not in the animation channel
gusty adder
I do admire neat particle effects and whatnot when I see them. I have nothing against that.
alpine cove
why the fuck would i ever listen to anything you told me to do lmao
gusty adder
Can I not compliment people?
vocal shard
lol, I just joined VRChat and someone came in crashing everyone.
we're not gonna move just because you say so
median basalt
Yeah, so you'll understand why it sucks to have them taken away for no reason.
vocal shard
so be it but stop crying about us ''''''crying''''''
analog canopy
So I'm confused what got taken away?
idle beacon
@vocal shard my point exactly.
vocal shard
lmao ok bud
gusty adder
Yeah it does suck to have them taken away. There’s still no grounds to complain about it legitimately.
floral aspen
nothing got taken away whisper, just limited
rough pulsar
@analog canopy Limits on particle systems.
valid sparrow
Everyone, meet kiri, the person who has devoted his life to “particles.” That sounds like a wonderful life.
vocal shard
still same vrrr 😛
naive forge
Yo chill guys
vocal shard
hey guys
analog canopy
What kind of limits were added?
vocal shard
nope not rly
alpine cove
feedback posted in this channel is almost certainly not going to be seen by the devs
so
vocal shard
Literally the dude came in and blasted music, then some other stuff about the Dev's.
uhhh ofc it is????
Then boom, dead asf
rough pulsar
@analog canopy Amount of particles, check #announcements
vocal shard
devs literally monitor this chat lol
floral aspen
@analog canopy limit on the number of particle systems you can have
vocal shard
what, to upvote 1 thread about toggling that most likely won't be implemented?
sure dude
valid sparrow
There’s a bug report channel.
gusty adder
Analogy wise, it’s like you get a super cool sandbox to play in, and someone says you can play with the sand. You make a twenty foot tall sand tower with a ton of work, good job, that’s amazing. It’s not your sandbox. You were the one who chose to spend that work and time on someone else’s sandbox. Now the owner of the sandbox puts a roof 8 feet above the sand. That’s not their fault, and you don’t have any legitimate ground to complain at them. You were only told you could play with the sand. It was never your sand or sandbox to begin with, just the end creation. IE, the owner can do whatever they want.
vocal shard
that.....isn't a bug??
alpine cove
so if you don't think fixes are going to be implemented why even discuss them at all?
in your eyes you're just wasting time at that point
south viper
I did the back of the envelope calculation and apparently my mesh particles are still under the limit because I capped them low enough, but I also tried multiplying the amount by 100 and the SDK didn't block it
valid sparrow
To you it is apparently
vocal shard
dude this is vrchat general, we talk about stuff that's vrchat related
this clearly is vrchat related
gusty adder
Long story short
valid sparrow
It’s the way you present your opinion
gusty adder
The update sucks because people lost work, but they have no legitimate grounds to complain about it.
alpine cove
and i'm saying that the devs aren't going to dig through 500+ messages of people insulting each other and offering no constructive feedback to find someone's post about what and how to fix
which is why you use the canny
gusty adder
What a loss
valid sparrow
Good thanks
alpine cove
ooh look out, you got blocked
vocal shard
nah man just sayin
alpine cove
end of the world right there
valid sparrow
You can’t handle anyone challenging you
alpine cove
i mean, he basically just came here to troll anyway
gusty adder
Anyone else mind taking a look at the analogy I put up above and telling me what you think?
vocal shard
😤 😤 ye git fucked kiddo it's the end of the world apparently
alpine cove
just calling anyone who doesn't agree retarded
valid sparrow
Dude is poison and sucks there’s so many like that in the actual VR chat. I feel like I have to avoid people half the time
gusty adder
Like yeah you can be upset at losing the work on your particle effects, but you have no grounds to be upset at the devs for what they did.
vocal shard
I haven't heard one good argument for raised particle limits, just my stuff is gone
naive eagle
Yes I do, because they didn't fix what this patch actually intended to fix
vocal shard
1001 u obviously haven't seen rokk and mei's arguments
naive eagle
which was crash particles
light wedge
Help
vocal shard
^
naive eagle
I am fully allowed to be upset at that
vocal shard
no negative feedback allowed, that's what ur saying lilirin
I have but it's not very good
naive eagle
and in the right
iron heart
Can we fix the users being all dudes
analog hull
i dont think you get the point lili, the point is that the game is walking backwards this way... Everyone wants the game to get better, and i understand the limit, trust me, but the way this was done is not the best way they could do it. If you build a game around freedom, removing the freedom will only downgrade the game. its the same as you have a game, and instead you make players choose if they want clouds to be there, or remove them to not have lag, you just remove them. Players who could actually play with clouds on will get angry and sad at the game. Its exactly the same that is happening here
hasty wedge
wheres the pictures from the selfie sticks located at 🤔
iron heart
And make them all women
umbral reef
Wont that make them all traps then and some women?
stark swallow
hey
vocal shard
only traps women don't exist on the internet
rough pulsar
@hasty wedge in your 'pictures' folder
hasty wedge
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stark swallow
people cant stream beacuse of the user ids being at the bottom of the menu
naive forge
What a mess
gusty adder
Yeah it was a heavy handed way of going about it @analog hull . The devs are still fully in the right and there are no legitimate grounds to be upset at them for it.
stark swallow
so
hasty wedge
wtf
south viper
wait, which pictures folder, I have like 2 so far lol
hasty wedge
already took 96 pictures since the update OMEGALUL
rough pulsar
The default Windows one in your user directory.
south viper
same place as panorama stuff?
tidal aspen
Knowing someone’s userid isn’t gonna do anything
south viper
in which case I'm already set
blissful sable
@gusty adder
I think you're misunderstanding my point, so let me clarify:
Particle heavy animations shouldn't be done at all unless you plan to annoy people. Good looking effects take more than 1 particle systems since you can't really create complex systems without having the ability to have complex systems.
Let's look at a laser as an example:
Setup with 1 particle system:
You'd just have a Line shooting at something. Could look decent with a texture (better if it's animated, but that'll produce more calculations). This one would need a lot of particles to look good since there's no real variation or added touches (e.g. sparks, bit of distortion, some smoke or pulse where it's being fired from, some sort of collison detection so it's interactive and other stuff you could think of to make it look good.
Setup with multiple particle systems would basically be what I described. You can add some little touches here and there and drastically reduce the amount of particles emitted since you're not limited to 1 particle system to create an effect.
The second option, if aiming for the same quality, will look better and be way more performant.
Particle Systems are a part of the whitelisted components for Avatar uploads, so they are acknowledged alongside other native and non-native components of the 5.6.3p1 Unity Version we're sitting on at the moment.
It's safe to assume that there wasn't enough knowledge and probably still isn't on the Dev Site, but that's why they're opening up feedback now for people with some/more experience and I for myself will definitely contribute to it.
Of course they can do what they want, it's their game after all. The current outrage from other people who aren't as calm is definitely their fault because of the way they implemented the limit. There was a beta for it, and not enough experienced people were in it, that's all. Now we have a chance to fix it.
gusty adder
@naive eagle you can be upset that they didn’t fix crash particles. You can be upset you lost your work. You cannot be legitimately upset at the devs for the particle limit.