update is now ruined
#vrchat-general-2
steel thicket
where am I gonna find 5.6.3p1 sdk
brittle blade
I uploaded the new sdk and now it only shows clear player prefs and cache, how do i fix that?
kind folio
oh boy bradley
reimport the sdk and restart unity
If that doesnt work, reinstall the sdk, and reimport it again.
river mauve
new vive moment allows me do go inside objects is this a new feature?
shy nest
what sort of objects?
hasty wedge
maybe it didnt have colliders
shy nest
christ, got my oculus yesterday. now a day later my legs are sore asf
steel thicket
Whats the point of the new sdk if I can only use 5.6.3p1 to upload models?
final geode
is it just me having issues logging in to vrchat? o.o
shy nest
no clue, all i did was delete the vrsdk folder, uploaded new sdk and was fine
soft patio
shy nest
guess you could say you forkgot to delete it
just kidding that joke wasnt very knife
uhh not sure fam
ive always deleted the folder and uploaded
vocal shard
Is anyone else having running issues in the game?
vocal shard
Windows mixed reality. But it does it on keyboard too
odd helm
Not into the game yet, but I'm trying like 8 times to upload an avatar and having it fail every time after saying it worked, then blocking my IP
shy nest
because vive got new controls and wmr are bugged atm
well when they run forward
any other direction and you're fine
rare spear
vocal shard
My avatar keeps running even when I stop pressing the button to go foward.
rare spear
little are you using a vive?
shy nest
na, they're using wmr
rare spear
ah
shy nest
looks like oculus users dodged a bullet in this update
rare spear
yeah
split hinge
anyone else's video get frozen then goes black on rift when starting vrchat, or should i email vrchat support? and yes its literally only vrchat that causes the issue
steel thicket
does it matter what sdk I use for 5.6.3p1?
sullen lantern
@crimson shore As far as I am aware, the official word based on what I've seen from dev reddit posts is that if you don't download unauthorized vrchat clients you should have no problems with avatars spreading malware. This is just based on what I've seen from those reddit posts.
Unauthorized vrchat clients could come with/allow people to transmit malware to you if in use, according to what I've read
ruby needle
to hack and mess with others
ruby needle
like the avatar stealers
oblique gyro
is there a way to fix my avatar pedestals after updating the sdk without having to redo putting in all the blueprint ids?
ruby needle
but i wont mind if they get a paycheck for using those clients then
if you know what i mean 
hazy marlin
This new vive movement
omfg
the emote saving is nice
but good god
the movementfeels awful
oblique gyro
anyone know?
rigid crescent
holy shit people hate this lol
steady burrow
Movement is totally bugged
rigid crescent
all i can find in servers are people complaining about it
placid umbra
Not sure, avatars should default public after the SDK update
but pedestals may need to be updated
odd helm
It seems fully impossible to upload an avatar tonight. If updated, they don't update. If deleted, they're never replaced. It just says it worked in the SDK
robust spruce
is there are reason why my left controller doesn't show up on the Vive?
manic salmon
Yeah the new movement is driving me crazy on Vive as well. What was gained wasn't worth what was lost. Wish there was a toggle.
manic salmon
That's trigger still
hazy marlin
If you bind the emote to trigger?
opaque hawk
The new controls are weird, but Im getting used to them
alpine grove
for ppl having problems with uploading avatars with the new SDK try this - remove the old avatar ID from pipeline manager -> upload avatar as public -> go to SDK manager -> Set avatar as private
ruby needle
nice akalink
hazy marlin
But if i press pointer then trigger, my trigger becomes my point
and i just lose my fist?
opaque hawk
it controls more like a joystick now, you press in then move your thumb where you want to go
manic salmon
Double tapping making me stop dead in my tracks instead of just nudging me over to the side is really annoying, having my finger just barely come off the pad when I'm not pressing it but moving and then stopping suddenly is driving me nuts. Can't slide in air nearly as effectively as before, but that was likely not intended anyway (but others still can). Most annoying though, is the delay on hand gestures. I use a marker to draw for most of my communication
the delay is making it frustrating
opaque hawk
still wish I could use my joystick though (I have the windowsmr)
steel thicket
What is an ONSPAudioSource?
hazy marlin
@manic salmon have you figured out how to make a fist after using trigger for a different emote?
manic salmon
Nope, I usually either have fist or an emote, not both
hazy marlin
Fantastic..
manic salmon
Suppose you could override another emote with the fist one in an override controller
Trying to do any kind of jumping puzzle under the new scheme feels pretty awful
hazy marlin
Yeah with the new movement any platforming is pretty out of the question
manic salmon
Glad I already beat bunny hop, lol
vocal shard
I haven't seen a knuckles all day, is it over at last?
alpine grove
no
vocal shard
crap
alpine grove
i have avatars turned off so all i see now is gray floating heads/hands
tame walrus
Nice
vocal shard
I wish you could ban seeing a certain avatar at all tbh
alpine grove
same
vocal shard
It's like an undead meme at this point, only the most 13 of 13 year olds still think it's funny lol
vital rune
the ugandan knuckles avatar?
vocal shard
pretty much
odd helm
@alpine grove Thank you! They actually seem to appear on the server now
alpine grove
np
radiant sleet
This new vive movement isnt too bad... but is there a reason my movement speed drops to walking pace randomly or get stuck moving in a direction for longer than i hold the controls?
high lava
Rip
tulip galleon
Ron's the man ok
high lava
My friends were all happy because they could finally move while using animations with the vive
covert chasm
don't hold down the button
click the button and just keep your thumb on the touchpad
manic salmon
you only have to tap the pad to start moving, from then until you lift your finger, it's just trackpad controlled
closer to the center is slower, the edges are the fastest
steady burrow
movement sucks
vocal shard
I hope they are aware of the wmr issue ;w;
manic salmon
you dont have to hold down the button under this scheme
vocal shard
Friends won't stop bothering me about getting the Vive Pro... Like dude.. I am not sure if i even want to invest into the Vive, much less the Pro.. Oculus just seems a decent price, but i might go wit the Vive since it has better tech, and game support...
manic salmon
Yeah I saw that announcement
sleek spire
?
wet burrow
I wish HTC had better tech support tho
radiant sleet
Oh
vast tulip
omg zedek is still here whining
sleek spire
i dont follow @fathom rock
rose timber
Press the center of the pad with the trigger pulled to switch back to fist.
mental ember
So it's been a while since I played VRChat with my headset. Did they change the way the game "loads" during crowded rooms? I'm noticing instead of harsh frame drops. I'm just getting weird screen tears.
steady burrow
Are you kidding me
sleek spire
@covert chasm could you look into adding option to switch back to old vive movement?
steady burrow
They are
manic salmon
@sleek spire look at announcements
steady burrow
Tupper is admin, not dev
mental ember
Just a heads up, if you look up the vive pro, they already implied that it's going to be focused ALOT more towards super vr enthusiasts so that adds cost and people at CES said it is nice to have a higher res. But not that big of a deal especially for what it might cost which is probably alot
steady nymph
wet burrow
I hear the update ruined the controls for Vive users
mental ember
rip
tranquil perch
guess i will find out soon enough on how it changed things
steady burrow
Controls are bugged
placid umbra
Depends who you ask, lots of people are thrilled about the new changes
wet burrow
bugged implies that it is not intentional
steady burrow
Everyone hates it
wet burrow
Apart from yourself, I have yet to see any positive reaction
tranquil perch
moving while gesturing will at least be handy
rain palm
I just don't like the 10gb cache limit.. my internet sucks so now i'll have to reload maps/avatars eventually haha.
wet burrow
Yeah, the cache limit seems like something that should be chosen by the user, not a forced limit.
clear swift
"looking into" not good enough..... do the fiong devs even play their own game?
vocal shard
i dont wanna use steam can i get vrchat elsewhere??
wet burrow
Of course not
clear swift
I can't change gestures while dancing... I end up crawling everywhere unless I hit the edge of the control pad.... and my leg trackers freeze every time I change gestures
wet burrow
That is why the menus don't appear on top of everything and can get stuck in walls
plain oracle
The new SDK is crashing Unity on import.
clear swift
I'm sure they just log in and go "yup works as the spec says" and don't actually play it
wet burrow
To be fair, it wouldn't be a very fun game to test.
There wouldn't be anyone to talk to
inner idol
@hasty wedge just the rodents
chilly widget
If i delete the VRCSDK folder in my unity project, do i also need to delete the VRCSDK.meta?
hasty wedge
😱
zinc slate
Hi ppl, i'm trying to figure out what is the F3 Button "LetGo" inside the OverrideAnimations, can someone tell me pls?
chilly widget
ok thanks
slate iris
Can anyone explain what issue people are having with the new movement on vive?
i'm so confused
hasty wedge
letgo is hand open maybe?
chilly widget
yea, i'm doing it right now. just wasnt sure what the meta file was
zinc slate
ooh
warm turtle
manic oyster
Is anyone aware of the Discord server crashing frequently? It keeps saying that it is temporarily down on my cellphone.
modern sand
It's often more difficult to connect to bigger servers when on a weaker connection
manic oyster
Other bigger servers are not a problem.
modern sand
As in more than 32k users ?
manic oyster
The events server is fine. This server is the one that keeps bombing.
modern sand
you mean the vrchat event server ?
manic oyster
Yes.
modern sand
Yeah so there's less than 1k users in there, compared to 32k in this one, which is a big server
brittle blade
when i try dragging the new sdk into unity, it starts installing the previous one and doesn't let me put the new one in?
trim oracle
i got my new sdk in but new uploads arent showing ingame nor in ym uplaoded content tab
manic oyster
How do I put this. I have a high powered iPhone That is on good signal. There is really no reason for it to crash like that. It even shows up on my tower as down.
manic oyster
Perhaps it’s a bug?
ruby needle
this discord is laggy and crashing my smartphone when i use that
runs fine on desktop tho
wet burrow
"a high powered iPhone"
rigid crescent
no matter where I go in publics, all i hear are people complaining about the Vive
warped dew
"- Avatar Pedestals save between sessions"
Guile's theme plays PRAISE
rigid crescent
im afraid to use mine lol
sly veldt
Sounds like your smartphone. Works great on my iphone X and previously 6s
But I mostly use the desktop app
rigid crescent
my phone does that
wet burrow
Well, the did just ruin the controls for the vive.
rigid crescent
where it says the server died?
brittle blade
i have no problem with the update, i love being able to move around with gestures
manic oyster
I have an SE.
wet burrow
Yeah, I can connect just fine on my phone
rigid crescent
Everyone on vive is just zooming around slamming into walls
torn sandal
Aside from the upgraded vive controls, pretty happy with this update. Glad to hear the devs are also looking into an option to go back to the other controls for the vive.
warped dew
@rigid crescent I think people are complaining about it's pricing, and about the people who can afford one lel
rigid crescent
no it's the controls lol
brittle blade
what is wrong with the controls, i had no problem
plain oracle
This SDK is doing nothing but crashing when I try to import it.
rigid crescent
Dunno, everyone else I've run into seems to, and on the discord apparently
wet burrow
They ruined them in the most recent update, you should try it, you will notice instantly
rigid crescent
but no plans to switch back = RIP
manic oyster
I think there’s a compatibility problem with the update. My tower has 3 hard drives and Discord is installed to a drive other than C.
torn sandal
Using the vive controllers is super wonky now.
brittle blade
they plan to add a option to the old controls
sly veldt
@rigid crescent read announcements
ruby needle
@wet burrow not everyone hates them tho 😃
rigid crescent
Oh someone shared a screenshot earlier that said otherwise, shoulda fact checked it
wet burrow
Yeah, I've seen two people say they liked them
ruby needle
you will mostly only see those complaing
rigid crescent
yeah the two people here lol
placid umbra
@brittle blade You need to totally remove the old SDK before installing
rigid crescent
I think I saw one or two say they didn't mind it but they siad they dont move around a lot
brittle blade
i did
ruby needle
cus people likeing something dont really go out and tell all about it.
wet burrow
Well of course I will, I don't like the new controls, so I will notice poeple who confirm my beliefs and ignore those who do not.
brittle blade
i like fully deleted it
hasty crescent
Hey wha tgives?! My version is still 0p12!
How am I going to update the darn thing?
brittle blade
restart steam
ruby needle
^
hasty crescent
I did, but nothing happened
manic oyster
Works fine on my Samsung tablet.
ruby needle
do you have updates enabled?
manic oyster
Auto, no, I manually do it.
brittle blade
i found it out
i went into my file explorer and deleted the vrcsdk in the assets folder in the documents
im able to import now
steel thicket
Asking for my Audio Source when I dont even have one
hasty crescent
i had mine automatically
What gives?
if it's automatic, why isn't the damn thing workign?
chilly widget
how long does it take for a new avatar to upload into the game?
placid umbra
Not long, make sure to uncheck futureproofing
wet burrow
How about you just manually update the game?
tulip kernel
Logins down?
placid umbra
and of course, make sure you're using the most recent SDK
chilly widget
i logged in normally
placid umbra
Some reports of that Trapman
chilly widget
but the avatar i uploaded hasnt shown up
placid umbra
Hopefully working soon
warped dew
Any issues with the recent sdk?
placid umbra
Issues?
placid umbra
People are reporting server problems, so it's probably related
polar bone
Hey has anyone tried the panic button?
placid umbra
I have, why?
wet burrow
I haven't yet tried it
vocal shard
uploading issues need to know da wey
wet burrow
I played long enough to run into a few walls
polar bone
Does it block your own avatar? (Dumb question but if it does I'll be happy)
placid umbra
That's a good question. It blocks non-friends, but I imagine the user doesn't get blocked
Not really sure why people would need to block their own avatar?
warped dew
the hax
raven silo
block avatar only block people not in friend list avatar change them into black robot with no legs
chilly widget
my new avatar hasnt shown up. dunno how long it usually takes
hasty wedge
he means if the script kiddie changes ur model
warped dew
they been coping other peoples avatar for a while now
polar bone
I have a VERY broken model that I accidentally made, and I like to show people it. But it's so broken I can't see anything and thus need to be in an avatar world as a backup. I didn't think it would, but I was hopeful
hasty wedge
o nvm
raven silo
if you dont want your avatar to be copy set them private with the new sdk
wet burrow
Server issues are right now, so it is a mystery as to how long your avatar will take to appear.
wet burrow
restart steam
placid umbra
Whoa, chill with caps
sleek bone
ok
modern sand
- Quit Unity
- Delete Assets/VRCSDK
- Start Unity
- Import new package
raven silo
go to project folder then delete vrcsdk then install new sdk
wet burrow
Perhaps you would have a better time getting help in the chat channel for development.
modern sand
that is not the channel for that, no
clear swift
I'm hearing reports that "some" people like the new controls... I'm trying to think of a use case where it's better.... like maybe if you stand still all the time and like to look down at your hands while carefully picking a gesture that you want to use over and over
polar bone
I appreciate the inclusion of the panic button. I made an avatar with an image that appears in front of everything, and I realized just how easy it would be to make it really huge then fuck over everyone on the server
What new controls?
wet burrow
On the vive they ruined the controls
polar bone
Oh shit
placid umbra
A lot of the frustration seems to be from people not understanding the new system, a write-up that explains the new method would be good
wet burrow
The update log explained very well how to use it
clear swift
and how to rest to fist without stopping to look at your hand?
wet burrow
It is just inferior to the old system.
opaque hawk
It works more like a joystick now
clear swift
I play the game while dynamically emoting and dancing with leg trackers, I don't have time to hold one button and lightly touch another... I end up pressing too hard and miving my whole character
opaque hawk
I’ll just wait for wmr joystick support
placid umbra
Middle of touchpad is fist
sleek bone
Will updating the sdk remove old scripts from prefabs?
clear swift
I know that
sleek bone
Like I always keep a prefab with the script
clear swift
I read the patch notes and know how it works.. it's just a terrible user experience
sleek bone
It will have the descriptor back?
raven silo
yea
polar bone
I remember I saw a 3d print somewhere that creates a kind of hybrid of joystick and touchpad on the vive
raven silo
the vive button it let you move like most vr game use slide thumb on touchpad
polar bone
Holy shit did you just have that open?
placid umbra
I think I saw that, some sort of conductive plastic? Seems cool
polar bone
How did you get it so fast?
Ah. I forgot, since Reddit's search fucking sucks
You used Google
vocal shard
the new sdk keeps crashing unity...
wet burrow
Reddit will never fix their search
polar bone
Anyway, why do the avatar public and private things exist? If you wanted an avatar to be private, you wouldn't put it on a pedestal?
Is it because of script kiddies?
raven silo
halcyon steeple
Just want to say that I don't mind the new locomotion system. I think it'd be great to have the old one as an option, but the new one is interesting and I see its advantages! Feels more analog-y.
wet burrow
Yeah, I don't understand the private avatars either?
Why would you upload your avatar if you don't want to use it
opaque hawk
@halcyon steeple that’s a wip
wet burrow
That seems kind of selfish
raven silo
no it actally way to stop people who work hard there custom model not take from devianart
actally did all the work
polar bone
Vrchat needs to step up it's SDK's security. It's possible to bypass the polygon limit without even modifying the SDK
wet burrow
Yeah, I can see how someone wouldn't want their avatar they spent a few hours on to be used by someone else.
polar bone
I spent more than a few hours making Megumin's explosion
opaque hawk
Few hours or few days
vocal shard
Spent more than a few days
polar bone
I'm definitely privating that
raven silo
people who dont make avatar who get avatar from avatar world will stay be there default till change into new avatar
warped dew
Haaaaa, Australia, Australia, why, i wonder when you replace your government with people who actually know about the internet, and what it takes to have good quality
wet burrow
I just worded it badly
polar bone
So I'm confused what this default avatar thing means
raven silo
so if you got avatar from world you be there avatar even if you log off
and come back on
polar bone
I thought it did that before?
wet burrow
Unless you uploaded it yourself I think
polar bone
I know that
wet burrow
Then what are you asking?
drifting pond
having problems
polar bone
Jazneo answered it
wet burrow
Ah
raven silo
you be that avatar till you pick new one
plain oracle
Finally got the new SDK in without it crashing
wet burrow
I thought you said 'I know that' to them after they had explained it
plain oracle
Now its so laggy Unity wont work if I have any VRChat SDK window open
polar bone
The avatar converting thing is honestly the only reason I got addicted and played 210+ hours of VRChat
But now I'm addicted to Echo Arena
drifting pond
I'm installing the new VRCSDK correctly, but when I hover it all it says is "Clear Cache and Playerrefs
polar bone
New scene for each avatar
plain oracle
No VRChat windows will work or move at all once open
Everything was perfectly fine until this update.
raven silo
@plain oracle go to setting click avatar block
only see your friend avatar
other be black robot
plain oracle
I have a rendering computer. This shouldn't happen.
vocal shard
@plain oracle the saame thing is happening to me, same powerful pc lol
plain oracle
At any point I have the list open that shows my uploaded avatars
It lags to a halt and cant do anything
vocal shard
i cant login past the logging in screen ingame
steel thicket
What does making an avatar private do?
opaque hawk
I’m assuming you filled a bug report
opaque hawk
placid umbra
It makes it so that only your account can use your avatar
The only time you should make an avatar public is if you plan on putting it on a pedestal
steel thicket
uhhhh
raven silo
private use to protect your avatar dont want to share
raven silo
it put lock on the avatar only your account can use it
public let you use blueprint id from your account
ruby needle
so it depends on the "hack" if it used the id to pull it or actually ripped it?
verbal ibex
if they actually got the avatar files somehow, and upload it themselves
i dont know how you'd prevent that
ruby needle
yeah sure, that would still work
placid umbra
You can never really say that the problem is fixed for good, but this adds an extra layer of security that should make the issue far less common
raven silo
private avatar lock best use for really custom avatar. not somthing find on internet
orchid relic
I've got a lot of avatars missing from my "Manage uploaded content" screen
vocal shard
delete id
ruby needle
well then just delete the old?
vocal shard
detach ID
cosmic ledge
Anyone notice any broken worlds after update? Like getting kicked to the hub when you try to load in?
ruby needle
oh its every time cvirBlech
raven silo
you can set the private and public in upload manager content
placid umbra
Keep in mind that people have reported server issues, this could be a part of that
raven silo
yea have other server issue because new update alot come on see what new lol
vocal shard
so after i log in it goes to a infinite loading screen anyone know any fixes and idk if im using the right chat sorry if i am 😛
orchid relic
less than half of my avatars are visible in "manage uploaded content"
placid umbra
Try closing and opening a few times
I think that's fixed the displayed avatars for some people
raven silo
@vocal shard best thing to do make your own world to load into https://vrcat.club/threads/load-into-your-own-world-before-come-into-vrchat.158/
warped dew
42 avatars lel
I still have more to add though
some of them though are going to be tough bc custom walking animations.
Like a dinosaur walk/quadraped walk
fading imp
Neh good morning everyone
chilly widget
avatar uploading confirmed yet?
vocal shard
Anyone on the vive having an awful experience?
I can barely move properly
and my gestures don't hold
holy shit plz revert
warped dew
@vocal shard "Hi. Aware of all the vive motion/gesture feedback. We'll look into making it an option to use old system. Meanwhile thanks for feedback and hang in there until we can get to it."
wet burrow
Everyone on the vive is having an awful experience
soft turret
charred wyvern
not as bad as the devkit 2 experience 👌
vocal shard
yeah I mean the input is super lagged
I'm just going to go to sleep and hope they roll some stuff back
wet burrow
They did the technique where you put a garbage feature in (vive movement) with a must have feature (panic button) so that they cannot revert.
leaden kiln
the movement controls that apparently don't work right now
wet burrow
They changed the way the vive controls work in that they now do not.
vocal shard
Also your gestures don't automatically hold when you swipe them
rigid crescent
cause you GOTTA swing the anime sword, you gotta
even if it means you cant move for crap
vocal shard
So you have to hold your fingers where the peace sign gesture is the whole time if you want it to show
last mica
huh, I personally wasn't big on holding gestures on swipe anyway
tidal aspen
I always kept my finger there anyway
last mica
guess I'll check to see if I hate it or not
wet burrow
spoilers: you will
tidal aspen
I personally like the change so my trackpad doesn't die
last mica
I hated looking in the mirror and realizing I was holding a gesture that I didn't realize because it registered as a swipe last time I moved
vocal shard
I mean just squeeze the controller to clear gestures
last mica
same, but sometimes I wouldn't realize I needed to
wet burrow
I always just triggered to remove my gestures when I din't want any
vocal shard
When you move your gestures cleared anyways
last mica
also is panic button something you can disable?
grand zealot
does anyone know why the sdk isn't updating properly for me?
wet burrow
I don't see how you would accidently press it
tidal aspen
no
placid umbra
No, but you should never hit the panic button without intending on using it
placid umbra
Both fists and both menu buttons at once
tidal aspen
hold the triggers and put your thumb in the middle of the trackpad
vocal shard
Please god just let me have my old game back
tidal aspen
and that should be the closed hand gesture
last mica
well time to fire it up and see
wet burrow
Have fun
last mica
I'll try
tidal aspen
might take a few minutes to learn
wet burrow
Don't learn how to use the new controls, just quit the game and complain on social media until it is fixed
tidal aspen
🤔
last mica
they're gonna do it anyway, not worth the effort
placid umbra
Clearly the better solution 
charred wyvern
so the other day i got bored in blender
wet burrow
Oh no
charred wyvern
and i made a torso
with jiggle physics
and no clothes
and now i resent everything
wet burrow
jelly torso
wet burrow
This is a technique known as 'practice'
charred wyvern
the model was really good though
so i mean
if anybody wants to see it, hit me up
jk please don't
last mica
we want that hot jiggle torso
last mica
give it a loincloth
charred wyvern
you just told me to put a loincloth on boobs
placid umbra
but it seems like you already know not to post here, so we're good
vocal shard
i log in and it doesnt log me in or say anything
charred wyvern
are you using the latest version?
don' t you just love it when https://puu.sh/zut43/7375e43204.png
leaden kiln
we need some kind of refresh on the social tab so we can see where people are, not where they were 10 minutes ago cause it won't update
charred wyvern
did you click away and go back to the tab?
leaden kiln
several times, and reloaded the world
leaden kiln
not new, just getting worse
last mica
yeah, had it saying somebody was in the same room as me yesterday when I was alone
charred wyvern
rip
last mica
good stuff
charred wyvern
maybe it didn't want you to have an existential crisis
last mica
is there any rhyme or reason to the worlds tab on vrchat.net?
sometimes it displays friends, sometimes it doesn't
last mica
sometimes lol
I've been keeping it open lately just so I can see who's online, but it seems completely random
it'll only display worlds for like an hour, then friends will be shown for a half hour, then they'll go away for 5 minutes, then it'll be back
uncut trail
@sly veldt WMR movements are screwed 😦
sly veldt
@uncut trail a bummer. we don't officially support yet but will add to list to look into for you and WMR folks
hard crest
noob question how to bring out weapon without vr :p i dont understand gesture with hand thing.
uncut trail
Oooo sweet 😃
vocal shard
still cant get past the login screen in-game. i tried everything :(
wet burrow
Purchase VR, bring out weapon using VR controls
I haven't observed desktop users having hands at all
vocal shard
i login then no other screen or change happens and im stuck in the loading area
hasty wedge
majority of the public worlds people wouldnt do anything unless its in a avatar room
well not majority but a lot*
hard crest
is the upload servers down?
wet burrow
I've heard a couple of complaints indicating that they are, but I can't really say one way or the other.
spring apex
i've been seeing weird stuff happening with uploading avatars too
as well as now just not being able to get on the game
leaden kiln
@wet burrow I've seen a couple and mine work,
frosty slate
bloop
leaden kiln
@hard crest I think the weapon or animation has to be mapped to the hand guesture
last mica
well after playing for 5 minutes, I can confirm that vive users aren't having a good time
frosty slate
why not
hard crest
@leaden kiln thx
last mica
changed how movement and gestures are handled, some of it I don't understand the logic behind
frosty slate
was there an update?
hard crest
I cant seem to upload my avatar 😦
last mica
yeah, check out the announcements channel
lilac shale
last mica
movement is the one that really gets me, I have no idea why they would change it, because it worked perfectly prior to the update
wet burrow
They changed it because they thought they were improving it, while in reality they were not
It is a common mistake, just look at the ribbon in Microsoft products
tidal aspen
I like how you have analogue movement with the vive now
last mica
but what did they think needed improvement?
frosty slate
I want to play vrchat but work has me exhausted
last mica
movement distance seems completely fucked
unless it's just because I kept my finger on the touchpad
it's probably working as intended, but holy hell is it unintuitive
tidal aspen
I think there should be a way to adjust the "deadzone" though
last mica
also trying to figure out the idea behind using the fist gesture to recall your last held gesture
tidal aspen
hold the gesture out and use the trigger
last mica
like I guess easy access so you aren't fumbling?
last mica
I understand how it works, I'm just trying to figure out how it'd improve my experience if I choose to get used to it
warped dew
I'm refraining from uploading until the uploads are sorted a bit
wet burrow
I'm not really an avatar guy, so I can't really help you there
last mica
I think the thing I want changed the most is the menu
I hate having to back up and find a clear area so that I can hit buttons without either having the menu stuck in a wall or a player obstructing a button
fickle basin
is there a way to block people or their avatars?
wet burrow
Yeah, the menu being able to be behind stuff is just stupid
wet burrow
Well, if it didn't loop, what would it do instead?
fickle basin
same with avatars that have a thousand large particles attached
last mica
avatar muting should really be added in the future
fickle basin
if it didn't loop, it would not loop, nothing more
some have looping "themes" and others have toggle dances
wet burrow
They already said they were going to make avatar volume its own slider, I think
sly veldt
@wet burrow There's reasons. It has a personal space bubble. It'll be in next release.
steel thicket
uploading avatars is down?
sly veldt
@wet burrow and yes
last mica
ayy nice, definitely one of the features I'm looking forward to
vocal shard
Ron I msgd Gunter but it's ok now
sly veldt
@wet burrow when it's in front of stuff in VR (we tried it before launch) it looks really messed up.
vocal shard
@steel thicket looks like it, cant upload either
wet burrow
That makes sense
sly veldt
Trust
fickle basin
a setting for a static menu would be good instead
leaden kiln
audio is better, but still scuffed. I'm hearing people 40 feet away like they're standing on top of me
last mica
I've played games that do that and you just sorta get used to it though
fickle basin
if you get stuck spinning, out of the map, in a small room and so on then you're literally unable to interact with your menu properly
vocal shard
Ron am I allowed to super ask you something?
last mica
it's weird, it's kinda ugly, but functionality trumps that imo
fickle basin
it's also possible to displace your menu with a broken avatar
wet burrow
And the menu being in stuff happens suprisingly often, so I can see how that would be annoying
sly veldt
@leaden kiln turn of "voice prioritization" and try again. see if it's the smae
@wet burrow We're aware. Next release will have it
wet burrow
Thanks
leaden kiln
it's backwards now?
vocal shard
geez
last mica
Ron, can you elaborate on the personal space bubble? Not sure what that entails.
sly veldt
When people try to get into your menu they don't
wet burrow
Most likely it works just like the player personal space bubble
sly veldt
just like when you have personal space bubble on
wet burrow
but for your menu
sly veldt
works good
leaden kiln
@sly veldt No difference at all, like it doesn't work now
last mica
oh duh, I forgot about the personal space thing
fickle basin
what was the issue with LoD on avatars again?
last mica
dumb question lol
sly veldt
@leaden kiln We're kinda aware. We'll look into it. thanks. Major audio bug is fixed tho
vocal shard
@sly veldt Ron
leaden kiln
yeah, the crackling is almost gone
sly veldt
@vocal shard Sushi
vocal shard
Hello, is it only me or some people also have it?
I removed the old SDK and imported new one, but it seems like i have problems to sign in sdk
leaden kiln
but it's basically the same volume out to about 50 feet, then falls off sharply
hasty wedge
try removing and readding it fixed it for me
sly veldt
We're pushing a new SDK. Hang tight
vocal shard
@sly veldt I super love dancing in this game but the latest patch made it super difficult.. I have to super lightly hold my vive controller and it's like impossible
vocal shard
where?
indigo fern
Your hard work is very much appreciated
wet burrow
They already said they are thinking about adding back the old movement option, just wait a bit.
topaz notch
last mica
I just wanna say thanks for communicating with people, it's refreshing to have direct talks about this stuff
topaz notch
I love Ron. 
sly veldt
❤
vocal shard
ty Red-Bot
topaz notch
❤
indigo fern
♥
sly veldt
We can't always get it all perfect but we put stuff out and get feedback
vocal shard
Hey one time a dev showed me work in progress and like the super old VR Hub world
It was super cool of him
Oh so i have to just wait for the sdk to be working fine, right?
Or u are going to make new sdk?
Sorry i just woke up .-.
topaz notch
tropic forge
i cant connect to vrchat so sad ;w;
topaz notch
Pretty sure it's a new SDK @vocal shard
vague hemlock
steam://controllerconfig/438100/1311533416 < Awesome new controls for gestures if you have a Steam Controller 😄
sly veldt
There is a new SDK..but.. we got some reports of a few issues.. so trying to put out another tonight
tropic forge
ok
vocal shard
Oh alright, yay
topaz notch
Ya das what I mean 
vocal shard
Not sure, Ron.
You guys are super nice anyways.
Doh! Avatar doesn't want to stay uploaded LOL
topaz notch
Ron is nice, noe one else is.
vocal shard
Ah well, gotta fix him anyways
Oh also not sure if u planned it or not but VRChat icon looks like its unity lol
Yeah saw that too
I closed it thinking I left Unity open. XD
Thought Red was a bot..
topaz notch
- Feelings = Hurt
Do not fist android girls 
Good way of moving through VRChat life. 
I should just become a bot.
+ Am bot. Beep boop
real vine
I thought the sdk was just Ron in a box hand painting avatars into the world. Thought that's why uploads took so long.
vocal shard
topaz notch
sleek bone
woot
Not all my avatars are showing up in uploaded content
But it's still there in-game
sleek bone
south oyster
robots are taking over 😮
hearty trail
wtf. still can't log in. is anybody else having trouble?
vocal shard
Tried restarting your PC?
hearty trail
multiple times
even restarted my internet
I just get stuck in the loading menu after it hits 100%
hearty trail
sounds stupid but I'll give it a shot lmao
fallen abyss
Not sure where to ask this: In VR, on every model, my arms end up being bent even when I have them straight at the sides. Adjusting player height doesn't seem to help. Is there anything I can do or am I stuck with gorilla arms forever?
vocal shard
Engi have you tried re-calibrating your floor? It sometimes messes up the arms..
safe glen
Mornin' fellas
fallen abyss
I've tried re-running the Oculus sensor setup. Is there another way to recalibrate?
inner hazel
the new update is orgasmic
fallen abyss
I've also got one sensor raised slightly and one on the floor. I wonder if that's causing issues.
fringe lark
Anyone able to upload avatars rn?
tacit bridge
wait wait, i havent logged on in a while, i just need a question answered: are Wakandan Knuckles showing up yet?
modern copper
The meme is dieing
tacit bridge
it had a good run at least
verbal carbon
My avatar says uploaded but its not guessing im not alone?
I just want to know if I am doing something wrong ><
polar elm
New sdk is out you have to update, read the #announcements
verbal carbon
Oh I did
tacit bridge
i figured out how to take 3d models, make them into 3d-printer files, and then make them into space ship in Empyrion
quick finch
Had a good long chance to test out the new update, and I wanted to come back here once I knew what I was talking about:
Its awesome. I love all of it. Options for the folks who like the old system would be cool, but I absolutely love the new system. Thanks VRChat Team!
tacit bridge
this is rather a niche usage, i am sure
fringe lark
Updated SDK already, get a message confirming my upload as it finishes but doesn't appear in Avatar as I log in, so I assume UPL Serv is down?
verbal carbon
Yeah same ^
modern copper
I'm working right now, so I can't see the new updates, gonna check it out once I get home.
polar elm
This is by far the biggest patch in awhile very good to see a dedicated team that listens to the community
tacit bridge
eh, as long as it's not YET ANOTHER "early-access-open-world-crafting-survival" game, and they're juggling this many variables, they get a lot of slack
i am slightly amazed that vrchat works as well as it has
fading imp
and what
warped dew
wait @modern copper did you make a digimon world?
fading imp
VR Chat=MMORPG?
hushed galleon
modern copper
Yes I did
warped dew
@modern copper I'm KageJason on vrchat lul
tacit bridge
never said mmorpg, just referring to the glut of EA games on steam for the past few years
warped dew
Ya know, the one with a shitload of digimon avatars
modern copper
Ah lol what's up
fading imp
You filled in DETERMINATION
tacit bridge
to disambiguate: early access, not the greedy game company
warped dew
I have upped my avatar numbers to 42 @modern copper
vocal shard
modern copper
All digimon? @warped dew
warped dew
Yep @modern copper
tacit bridge
i can't even maintain half a dozen coherently
warped dew
Kazemon and Zephyrmon are among them
modern copper
Nice I'm currently at 38 right now and they all up in my world @warped dew
warped dew
Want me to send you my Magnamon model?
tacit bridge
anyone know the names of the characters in the basement of the winter wonderland world?
fading imp
what
warped dew
Mine has fingers and full body IK
modern copper
But like 84 avatars total lol @warped dew I already have Magnamon in my world
Oh I don't have finger on him I think
warped dew
Ye he doesn't He has stiff feet
and that usually means no fingers because for some dumb reason no fingers = Broken legs
tacit bridge
mmm, i favor quality over quantity, then i obsess over details too much and get hung up
modern copper
Yeah because hands being rigged enable full body movement
warped dew
I also added to my collection Rosemon, Gaomon, MachGaogamon, MirageGaogamon and Lobomon
modern copper
Oh nice I got MirageGaogamon Burst mode
Haven't worked on new models for my world at all on my week off. But I been messing around with my personal avatar
pastel inlet
Whats the new 'Sharing'/'Private' button on the upload screen?
warped dew
I soon am going to add a Lilamon and a few more
charred wyvern
chron, look in #announcements
modern copper
Sharing from what I understand is allowing players to use your avatars. Like in a world, while private is only for your use
charred wyvern
uploads earnie avatar as public
warped dew
And once i actually know how to animate in 3D, then I'll add in the quadrapeds, Fix greymon's walking and add the other greymons like Metal, Geo and Rize
modern copper
Nice @warped dew
pastel inlet
@charred wyvern cant see anything about it on announcements
warped dew
I hope that one day I can get a mesh of my character.
But I'd have to be super rich for that
warped dew
and if I was super rich, then i'd first of all, be able to actually play with vr lel
pastel inlet
wait what this mean?? - Mute Users by Default - All users except for your friends will be mic-muted until you friend them
modern copper
One of the things I wanna do is make a avatar from scratch.
pastel inlet
do i have to friend everyone!?!?
warped dew
Chronical, No you don't
pastel inlet
lol
modern copper
No it allows you to mute everyone that isn't your friend
pastel inlet
oh
modern copper
So if you hanging out with a few friends and trolls come to bother you, you can just enable that and hear only your friends.
modern copper
Would have been helpful during the Knuckles raids lol
pastel inlet
xD
hey, look vive now gets to run around with weapons!
OCULUS IS NO LONGER SUPERIOR
vocal shard
That is super old actually.
pastel inlet
oh
warped dew
I want to be neenjah
last mica
good pic
charred wyvern
so i loaded into this world for approx 10 mins
then when i loaded my friend was somewhere else
👍
stable aurora
OMG
JIMI'S VOICE REVEAL
S/HE SOUNDS SO CUTE 
i honestly can't tell if it's a little boy or not
NO WAIT it's a voice changer 
hard crest
is model uploading working again?
obsidian pagoda
wtb vr gf 👀
hard crest
remove id?
charred wyvern
reinstalls vrchat to correct drive
cinder parcel
dont think you need to remove id lol
charred wyvern
creates symlinks to folder in another drive so cache doesn't fill up windows drive
stable aurora
uh oh
charred wyvern
wonders why vrchat doesn't have a setting to change cache directory
stable aurora
game dying for anyone else?
slate shuttle
The keyboard gesture controls are an awesome consideration! Thanks, devs! 
obsidian pagoda
good idea @charred wyvern
slate shuttle
I wonder if controlling one of the arms without a VR controller could become a keyboard-controllable gesture too.
slate shuttle
like maybe hold a key to put the arm in a specific position
since the keyboard is pretty much free save for the current gesture controls and WASD movement controls
charred wyvern
move hand with 4862, in out with 7 and 9, and hold 0 to grab
vocal shard
@hard crest blueprint id
charred wyvern
1 3 and 5 could be the most common gestures
craggy mason
please, someone, how do i stop this movement on hover instead of press
its driving me insane
using a vive btw
craggy mason
rip why would they change that D:
obsidian pagoda
moved my cache to my M2 SSD and symbolic linked it
warped nymph
Panic mode on Xbox controller can't be triggered for me
umbral reef
warped nymph
Did anyone even test the Xbox controller Panic mode? It either just tabs out of the game or opens Steam overlay keyboard.
vocal shard
The update is good until you log in with the vive
craggy mason
^
vocal shard
Then the bad outweighs the good
craggy mason
I literally cant play right now. The new movement system is just.. awful
craggy mason
yeah
vocal shard
I hate holding gestures too
I like being able to just swipe on way to get what I want real quick
craggy mason
i dont care so much about that side of things, but my god dont make movement on button hover and dont make the speed dependant on where my thumb is, thats just
eugh
vocal shard
Yeah movement is what sealed it for me
Not going to get on until there's an option to revert most of this stuff
craggy mason
cant do the long distance hover jumps any more either
because it like, holds the press down so you just walk forward
craggy mason
i was just the other day talking to some friends and raving about how the movement system in vrchat is my favourite VR chat movement and how i cant play things like pavlov (Although its really fun!) because the movement makes no sense
then they just copy it basically Shudder
craggy mason
that is so good and so needed, makes me happy to see it
vocal shard
Lots of the stuff they did makes sense
craggy mason
yeah
vocal shard
but pretty much anything to do with the vive movement or controls was a step in the wrong direction
Or at least not giving us the option to use what we did before is kind of dumb.
craggy mason
i saw their announcement they will be working on it
verbal creek
must we upgrade the SDK, then remake our models, then reupload and then make them private, or is it ok to mark the previous uploaded avatar as private and continue using them ?
warped nymph
I don't get it, why does VRChat have near zero control configuration
vocal shard
Yeah it's being awful right now
warped nymph
I'm playing on Google Cardboard with a xbox-like gamepad
And I feel like only 4 buttons actually do something
verbal creek
I haven't tested yet the new controls with the vive, but we've asked for being able to use hand gestures in same time as movement, and now that we have it people are complaining. The control have changed ? who cares, just learn to use the new ones. I means the Vive wands are purely shit in term of controllers, and I had to learn how to use them when I started playing on vrchat. See this as a new start, once you get the new controls in your mind, you wont think about the old ones.
craggy mason
the problem is moving on finger hover
which is awful
thats the worst VR movement method
stable aurora
hmmm my game seems to freeze sometimes
verbal creek
take in consideration that the trackpad button of the vive want is easily used/broken from too much usage
so it's a clever choise to use hover
craggy mason
i'd rather not have to sit there doing the thumbs up for hours on end to not have myself flying all over the place
verbal creek
the worst thing is the want, they should really provide either buttons and joystik, or pad and joystik
hasty anchor
I'm really hoping that they'll eventually add an option that prevents your avatar turning to face the direction of the HMD. I want to be able to look sideways without the entire body turning until you either walk or use the thumbstick on Oculus Touch.
vocal shard
I don't want to have to learn new controls that are effectively doing the same thing but less comfortably. Just give us the option to revert controls
I'm not asking for the world here.
verbal creek
comfort is a question of adaptation, of course it's breaking the way people have always been doing this
vocal shard
What are you even saying
what is more comfortable
Swiping up once
or holding your finger on that position as long as you want it to be that way
warped nymph
It depends on person, nobody is comfortable to everything, you can't get used to everything.
verbal creek
well in the beta version of the steamVR if I'm correct there is a special version where you can force override the wand controls
warped nymph
Also, they announced, that they are going to add an option to reenable old controls.
verbal creek
yup
warped nymph
So this debate is a bit pointless
verbal creek
just don't slice devs heads
hasty anchor
I'm really hoping that they'll eventually add an option that prevents your avatar turning to face the direction of the HMD. I want to be able to look sideways without the entire body turning until you either walk or use the thumbstick on Oculus Touch.
verbal creek
it's just that don't say that something is bad because you don't like it
indigo fern
You, already said that?
vocal shard
What
lol
It is assumed that when I say something is bad
it's because my opinion is that it's bad
which means I don't like it
verbal creek
on this as I'm not here for pointless debate I'll let you continue alone
stable aurora
nah
indigo fern
I mean, I don't like exercise, but that doesn't mean it's bad
stable aurora
sometimes you think something is bad but you still like it
vocal shard
....
craggy mason
can confirm i do not like this. I'd rather not be forcing motion sickness on myself because its impossible to stop moving randomly
fierce trail
Love this new update EXCEPT for the changes to the vive controls! Glad to see that they are already working on a fix. Hope it returns to the old way.
vocal shard
yep yep
wintry prairie
i just wanted to say that woops's stream link on the public message from VRC isn't an actual link
vocal shard
I think the delay on gestures is also pretty awful
indigo fern
Makes it feel like the controller has Nutella stuck in it or something, just straight up unresponsive
vocal shard
Yeah most of the time if I want to point at something or make a gesture it loses the intended effect if it's too late
I mean just basic human interaction stuff
indigo fern
Makes you think it's lag, but your arms still track at normal speed
vocal shard
Yeah when I logged in it felt like I had opted into their beta test or something
stable aurora
ugh god why do so many pug worlds have music playing now
on the 2nd floor
is there a way to mute that
It's seriously so loud
placid umbra
Sound FX in system menu
rancid mortar
@verbal creek comfort is one of the constraints of adaptation. mechanical feasibility is not the only factor
delicate coral
cant see uploaded avatar? anyone else having this?
also in manage uploaded content it doesnt show all my avatars
charred wyvern
vrchat: we're on steam and use steamvr but don't support steam features like join-a-friend
exotic canopy
placid umbra
I use Rift so I'll try not to assume too much, but what I do know is that people who are used to the new controls really enjoy them. Getting used to new controls in any game can be brutal (console players learning to use mouse and keyboard comes to mind). I think it's worth trying them for long enough to be proficient at them, as that's when you can really judge them and give solid feedback.
Panic button will immediately mute all non-friends and change any non-friend avatars to a generic grey dude locally
trim star
Yeah
verbal creek
omg I got pingged...
trim star
Always though the rift was a bit better than the vive
placid umbra
Rift controllers are leagues better, Vive tracking is better tech
verbal creek
I've just tried right now the new controls and for me I'm not that shocked
verbal creek
@rancid mortar
trim star
But the controls are easy to use
verbal creek
I want the knuckle controllers =p
placid umbra
Yeah, they look amazing
I wish they had joysticks somewhere though
but Valve is pretty anti-joystick
verbal creek
the pimax controllers will have joystick or trackpad, you can customize them
oh and pimax is compatible with vive accessories and sensors
raven silo
vive you just tap the left control once then use touchpad silder your finger on it. people scare of new thing before test them out
raven silo
it going save alot vive user controller lol
verbal creek
oh yeah