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#vrchat-general-2
vital rune
you cant stay on a toaster forever
vagrant estuary
thats what i wanted to say
vital rune
it aint cheap
vocal shard
I'm saying Unreal is a trash engine.
vital rune
but it sure as hell beats out playing games on 635M
vital rune
I still don't have high regards on Unity tbh
considering the amount of shovelware being associated with it
vital rune
Cuphead, DUSK made me impress sure
so you're saying is UT2004 is considered shovelware?
damn
vocal shard
Yes.
vital rune
even if its good or not, nope shovelware
vital rune
guess AMID EVIL is going to be the next shovelware even tho its going to be good
vocal shard
I personally dont like Unity
I wouldnt have touched it if it wasnt for Vrchat and college
vocal shard
Dunno what that is
vital rune
🤔
vocal shard
https://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ss_15131a80c14170cec68929f94808f12707815429.jpg
You cant deny, they're going for the doom look
vocal shard
I never said the games were shit
vital rune
would rather play both over STRAFE
vocal shard
i just said the concept is bad
they could literally do alot more than copy other games
vital rune
well its EXTREMELY hard to be unique nowadays
vocal shard
's really not
vital rune
talk about having double standards and literally wanting every single thing to be unique
what's nexrt?
first person Spec Ops the Line?
grand zealot
Does anyone have the all might magze mmd model? PM me if so.
grand zealot
M'kay
vital rune
yet you sound like being a knockoff is a bad thing
vocal shard
Hey I mean
vocal shard
Strafe has an originallity curve
I've yet to see a doom style game, that implements gore and proper 3D
vocal shard
Not sure how
vital rune
and got a disasterous launch
vocal shard
It has many old school assets
vital rune
the game plays out like your standard rogue-like shooter
where every enemy is braindead as shit
randomized levels
randomized items
randomize everything
vital rune
considering you think space zombies arent braindead
vocal shard
And randomizing was a thing old school games did alot
vital rune
I wouldnt mind all of this if the game wasnt so shit at launch
vocal shard
And, there's alot of things that make it, it's own style beyond the basic doom formula
vital rune
and the defacto of balancing issues
hell as much balancing issues as playing SW2 on the higher difficulties
for me, if a game is actually fun to play and not a tedious mindnumbing experience
if AMID EVIL plays fine, its fine
besides I would rather play it over some walking simulator made by The Chinese Room
delicate coral
Hi, can someone tell me what shader people use for that glitch effect on avatars
grand zealot
Where the hell is that model that summons a black hole that eventually sends people into a 'YOU DIED' screen? It's amusing.
grand zealot
I've seen several people with it
vital rune
@grand zealot RE1 screen?
vocal shard
Can someone tell me how to make friends on this game at this point
Lmao
Click on them, click "add as friend" or something, ???, profit.
lilac swan
There's also the old fashioned, but intimidating method of "socializing in public spaces with strangers"
vocal shard
Well, I know that I just find it difficult these days to enjoy the game cuz everyone already has a groupie man. Being approached doesn’t happen often anymore.
delicate coral
anyone know where to get the rainbow 2 shader?
vocal shard
No idea what rainbow 2 shader is but here's a rainbow shader
https://forum.unity.com/threads/solved-gradient-rainbow-shader.449080/
delicate coral
yeah i have this one
lilac swan
Sometimes being blunt works for me, "Hey man, I don't know that many people here. Want to hang out?"
delicate coral
the shader forge rainbow 2 or something like that
lilac swan
Hopefully that person has a friends group they introduce you to
vocal shard
Idk
vocal shard
Look at the description...
It's there...
I think it’s Petty what I’m saying
But maybe I suck at this game
delicate coral
its not that one
vocal shard
Lmaooo
delicate coral
in the description is the same one you linked
vocal shard
specific
I’m not a “read the description” kind of gal we like them direct links
Jokinggggg.
lilac swan
VRchat is not a "game", as in there is a goal to achieve or a certain way to "play" it. It's a social platform, like Facebook. Some people just play Farmville, talk sports or just check their feed.
So as long you're having fun, that's enough.
vocal shard
I wasn’t being that deep
But yeah I guess
FarmVille lmao
It's in one of their pinned messages in their discord, Nani.
delicate coral
omg thx
chilly musk
vital rune
not for me
but servers are fucktarded beyond belief
that I got randomly booted out of worlds
brave drift
I was having issues but its working now
charred scroll
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 4192 users in VRChat currently
severe chasm
guys how do I resize my window in desktop mode?
lilac swan
Short answer: Don't call us, we'll call you.
plain current
^^
wild mulch
I was told theres a link to apply
delicate coral
is there anyway to fix the sound in game without restart?
peak spire
Sat at a booth in The Pug, looking at the moon, sayian brole sits across from me
Bro: Hey girl, you Sayain?
Me:[in my normal kinda deep voice] No
Bro: Oh fuck, you're a guy
Me: it's the internet dude
delicate coral
the sound location bug
lilac swan
No, you need to restart the client
grand zealot
Anyone know where the fuck people keep getting this model? http://puu.sh/zhanK/753eb91548.jpg
tepid pendant
fresh tiger
So I've got a Venom Snake model with props and custom animations for an M4A4. My problem is two fold: The M4A4 that's holstered doesn't disappear in mirrors/cameras when it should, and the 2 M4A4s for both holding and firing do not appear in mirrors (they appear in cameras).
However to others it works perfectly fine. Is this just a feature of Unity/Vrchat, or is there a way to fix this?
charred scroll
@fresh tiger its only from your perspective, anyone else will see it how its supposed to
tawny elk
Some guy can't hear anything in front of him but hears if he's facing behind you
tepid raptor
Fade and Transparency ingame are fked
WHY 
charred scroll
why are you surprised, everything is kinda breaking 1 by 1
shadow prism
@tawny elk its the sound glitch, when it happens it best just to restart VRChat as it will only get worse till they do
tawny elk
Ouch
gusty adder
"Do not use this model for VRChat. It is not built for VRChat."
looks in the model pmx file
"VRChat.Voice.AA", etc
🤔
charred scroll
that just means he tested it XD
delicate coral
is there any free shader that i can use to do this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tty807fujo0
that is free
delicate coral
no thats actually the shader
i was able to create something similar with the erbgameart lava shader but that makes the textures too dark
and also dont have the rainbow effect
i'v seen a couple avatars using something very similar
distant plume
were is the support channel need help with something in unity
safe prism
help with what
vocal shard
aye, any word on playmaker yet? havent heard any anouncements in a while :/
distant plume
well im trying to ctrl + D an animation out of a model but wont let me for some reason
sick gyro
If the question is animation related might be worth hitting up the #animation for some answers
I imagine youll get a response there, I can't help unfortunantly
bleak tusk
Has anyone found any good worlds that usually has genuine people? I'm getting a little mad that I keep running into rude people that would rather make fun of my speaking english skills ;[
distant plume
@sick gyro yeah i've posted there thank you
sick gyro
Id recommend the Cupboard just as a personal choice, I know the creators there nice people and usually you can find some nice people to talk to. Although sometimes it can be empty.
Aside from that, not sure
bleak tusk
I will try Cupboard thank you : ]
sick gyro
No worries, unfortunantly my knowledge of good maps to meet people on is limited, if Cupboard doesnt work for you, another one I can think of is Cafe Waterfall
The Madcat is pretty nice to if you havnt tried there.
bleak tusk
I have sat around in cafe waterfall before but it was really empty most times, but I will look again 😃
sick gyro
Yeah some of the more newer maps can be empty at times, most people congregate either on Friends+ worlds or well known public ones
bleak tusk
Yeah I seem to just get upset in the large public places, just wondered if there was worlds that might have a small group of nice people like we do with are Japanese world where everyone is welcome to join in and make friend 😃
sick gyro
Yeah, if all else fails you can just browse new worlds, I found the cupboard that way and thats where I like to hang out alot when im not hanging with friends or working on my own world.
vocal shard
It's sort of mixed on wether you're going to find nice people or not, Sometimes i go into the same room and find really nasty racists etc and sometimes i find really nice people, just depends on who enters
sick gyro
Agreed, it can be entirely volatile although newer worlds tend to have less nasty people as they usually congregate on higher pop worlds
bleak tusk
Sorry, do you mean to check the recently added worlds 😃 ?
sick gyro
If you want to explore new worlds and possibly find people then yes.
bleak tusk
Oh I have been doing it already but just to explore new creation, ^ ^, I will explore for people to now in it. Thank you
sick gyro
👍
blazing trellis
Aios mios back to work i go, ill be on in about two hours hopefully
visual sand
So guys, there's a new hack where shitcunts can search your ID then take everything you have
They took Pill's avatar
mighty socket
Though the tool looks real to me, the "save avatars to your account" looks likely faked since he never searches his own name to prove that it's saved to his account.
vocal shard
why my audio source is too light after i join server ?
like i can barely hear it myself
sick plaza
they can steal anything anytime now, browse for everyone and for each name
worthy swan
So if there is a video of a hack being used that steals avatars
sick plaza
yeah
worthy swan
Where or who do I send it to
sick plaza
they already know
sick plaza
at least one of them 😛
simple ibex
making an avatar looks so confusing
gaunt granite
Am I the only one who can't log in?
It says processing the request timed out?
Nvm
I tried it a couple of times and got in
dire dragon
servers seem to have problems
modest halo
!online
dire dragon
worlds are currently unavailable in game.. everything shows up as 0 people
gaunt granite
Not for me
dire dragon
oddly enough every world i chose shows up as having 0 players
dire dragon
maybe it was a hiccup.. i was stuck in a loading screen for 1 minute and then it threw me back to the hub
floral flaxBOT
There are 5594 users in VRChat currently
safe glen
My tip for y'all getting avatars stolen. Add messages on your avatars. "Belongs to ---" or something
That's what I've done
But I wrote Send Nudes to Bars
gaunt granite
You're a genius
safe glen
Thank you
safe glen
On every avatar it says "Send Nudes to Bars"
Lol, do that XD
More nudes for me!
But yea, it' can be a bitch to do that. I just added pictures etc on alot of my avatars
Some is me n my waifu
And others just the text Send Nudes to Bars
Send nudz pls
vocal shard
Nickel for a pickle
gaunt granite
EWW
Wtffffff
I just joined a presentation room and there's someone with a giant model with a d*ck
vocal shard
Lol
vocal shard
Post what their name is in there and send it
vocal shard
Atleast you dint have to look at it
vocal shard
Oh well
gaunt granite
well rip
I'm trying to find them
Other people are going to suffer
we need to help
quick finch
They will get reported by others. most of the community is happy to report that sort of thing
shell nest
wtf is this video of a program that can search any player and download all of their models........
half pollen
Yes
rigid crescent
Modded client
shell nest
can you start doing checks to validate your client connections my god
half pollen
Why it get taken down PEIPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS
shell nest
they want to cover up the fact that you can just simply steal anyones custom model without even being in the game
half pollen
How about this
tepid raptor
Someone stole my default Hoppou 
half pollen
Aww it won t let me @
rigid crescent
I'm sure the people who need to know already do
half pollen
Yeah but there's a VIDEO NOW anyone can do it
shell nest
yeah and hiding it from the general public will cover it up so they can ignore it for as long as possible
half pollen
I just want people to report it
Well ban me then
Because I want people to report it
Many want it taken down
shell nest
funny thing is I found out about that video else where and i just happened to come here to ask wtf right after you posted it also
half pollen
Lol
shell nest
i want it taken down
I have very unique avatars that I'm consideirng deleting from the game until further notice
half pollen
Same
I know one of the mods are watching this tell me why I can't put this up there?
Hmmmmmmmm?
Was it you Snep
half pollen
Watch it get taken down
rigid crescent
If its been taken down then the right people know
50 or 100 reports wont matter if they already know about it, just spreads the info more
half pollen
Because it's showing vrpill's models too
shell nest
the more people know the more they are forced to prioritize this issue
sudden palm
its like when the news reports about some people doing a dumb thing, which only leads to more people doing said dumb thing
pearl stag
That video showed him typing a password is that the accounts password?
rigid crescent
And the more peoole can abuse it, it's not worth it.
sudden palm
it might only be for show, able to access without it (and to get people passwords if they enter it)
sick plaza
its not, someone i know tested this and it apparently works
pearl stag
Oh no
shell nest
@pearl stag no you still have to login to an account but you can just any fake account
sick plaza
probably because servers cannot handle normal players, add authentication to that now
warped urchin
Avatar servers and game servers are different things.
Ones on AWS and the other isn't.
shell nest
they just need to verify their client hashes are not cloned and it'll reduce a ton of hacked clients
river fractal
Y'all realize that like, the same ability you have that allows you to see people's avatars in game is the same thing they're doing, just bypassing having to be in game
sick plaza
start synchronizing them then.
river fractal
I haven't tested it personally though, that's a guess
warped urchin
It's not I know the method n
It needs to be authenticated with who is looking the shit up and it's not
Anywhere
sick plaza
problem is it allows u to see a list of everythign user has. this should not even take palce
warped urchin
Not in game not in the unity client
warped urchin
Literally a steam id auth would fix this
upper cedar
as I have paid quite a bit of money to commission some high quality avatars
warped urchin
Link the steam id and VRChat accounts together
upper cedar
^
gaunt granite
Hey Is it normal for someone to just randomly vanish and not be visible anymore?
sick plaza
public? it can nap ur avatar even if u are offline
gaunt granite
BEcause my friend just did that
half pollen
Yes
gaunt granite
Oh okay
upper cedar
but nobody will know you have a nice avatar
half pollen
It's called blocking
upper cedar
if you dont show it publically
gaunt granite
oh
upper cedar
in public Ill just use avatar world avatars
shell nest
simply they need to validate the client hash to check if it's a legit client or a hacked client, secondly encrypt all avatar checks and downloads and 3rd do not publish the entire list of a users avatars to be freely visible
also 4th
stop sending our username and password in plain text constantly in the meta data
sick plaza
@shell nest is the 4th for real
shell nest
yes
shell nest
yup
sick plaza
oh my..
safe prism
um
sick plaza
i think even ruubick lost his words for this now 😛
upper cedar
I just hope devs find a way to monitize to entice such patches.
jaunty apex
they did get 4 million frm vive
shell nest
sure just add an Access Pass style of verification for us 18+ users so we can verify who we are having fun with is actually 18+
that's a good way to get extra funds
modern sand
We keep repeating ourselves, any concerns should be emailed to us directly.
shell nest
they have been
upper cedar
but its good to bring this news to public
shell nest
and you have done litterally nothing
upper cedar
so people are aware
shell nest
^
upper cedar
and arnt caught off guard by these exploits
shell nest
the public has a right to protect themselves from malicious actions of other users in the game and not to be ill informed that everything is peachy
tepid raptor
monkey no hear no speak no see
upper cedar
well, in all fairness, this game probably wasnt expected to reach such high playercounts
warped urchin
@modern sand these concerns have been made open many many times
And nothing has been done
I've been preaching this avatar client check for months
And I also mentioned to silently check alot of the stuff on the clientside.
umbral reef
we do realize mentioning them wont fix it righto?
sick plaza
its called reveal of bug and protocol holes after time which should be used to patch it
like they did with meltdown and spectre to force intel to take actions
safe prism
responsible disclosure !== telling everyone the moment you know
umbral reef
Reporting the bugs
Making a detailed explanation and ect
Showing how it works(?) and suggesting protocols would help a billion times more then just repeating the same msg for the hundert time towards the same person
shell nest
^
warped urchin
I have said linking steam accounts to VRChat accounts silently and not publically would reduce nearly all hacked clients coming back and even allow for auth.
coral vessel
yikes
upper cedar
I dont know if our suggestions are things the devs havent thought of themselves
just saying
some of these just wouldnt work
Do you have experience programming an online video game?
Thats totally cheat proof?
Seems like someone needs to hire you then.
shell nest
no offence but if these hacked clients can pop up faster than they can implenet security checks that's kind of scary
warped urchin
That's not possible but making a game uninjectable is really easy.
coral vessel
why does a security issue need to be stated in email lol
warped urchin
Because that's how it's normally done.
coral vessel
should just jump right on it and fix it
upper cedar
arma 3 with battle eye the best anti-cheat and still faces constant cheat injection
its no small undertaking
vale palm
I dont think the issue is anti-cheat by now, the issue is encryption of the avatars, ive never seen any mmo where you could use someone elses character
shell nest
this is all because their hash check doesn't validate the hash it just assumes it's legit
upper cedar
I just dont wanna feel uneasy using my 40+ hour avatar in game.
warped urchin
The auth needs to be redone. Without a doubt.
vocal shard
So, in my VRChat world on Unity, when I make a new build and test run the game, everything is pink except for the chairs. Help?
safe prism
are your shaders set properly?
shell nest
@vocal shard #world-development is where you want to ask that
vocal shard
kk thanks
warped urchin
At this point every avatar you see stolen just re-uploaded your avatar with a broken one.
shell nest
yeah but like that video shows, you can just download any users avatar and upload it yourself
upper cedar
without being in game too
upper cedar
imvu browser based tho
shell nest
still able to read the data
and it has an app
and originally it was app only the browser based version is newer
upper cedar
browser based games are completly ran off web-server. Super easy to track fishy stuff
sand bough
i hate when its getting worse
upper cedar
shell nest
IMVU isn't browser 'based'
upper cedar
oh god lmao
safe prism
this game is also doing something in unity that is rarely ever done
shell nest
like I said the browser version is only a little over a 2 years old
upper cedar
its scary how short the border is from game engine > game
shell nest
i've been on IMVU since like 04 or 05 i forget
spiral mason
Sign in issues?
shell nest
and browser games were not even possible (save runescape) back then
upper cedar
How easy the sdk is to mod
blissful glacier
Hey does the game lag for you guys when people use over the top models?
shell nest
@blissful glacier lag is more to do with particle and dynamic bone abuse
upper cedar
^ particle bombers give me a headache in vr
trim oracle
depends on the models, billions of particvles? Yes. high poly but otherwise clean? no
upper cedar
legit, you dont need an effect that lets you detonate a nuclear bomb on 30+ person world
but its "cool"
you dont need particle effects to be able to span a whole world
shell nest
they have particles that replace the entire world with completely different scene
upper cedar
so annoying
pure junco
Because thats a load
weary bison
it's been reported
shell nest
@pure junco yes and they just keep deleting it
pure junco
Alright just was gonna make sure
umbral reef
@shell nest Avatars with a ton of materials are also far from helpfull when it comes to lagg
shell nest
aye
umbral reef
Anything above 5 materials without a proper reason is bad for an avatar
weary bison
don't discuss hacking here, send any extra info you have via the report form or by emailing moderation@vrchat.com
shell nest
but I hate atlasing it removes any unity customizablity
pure junco
Oki doki
upper cedar
atlas = gay
umbral reef
Its a pain but having 12 materials is insane
Atleast combine some things like Cat does badly 👀
Well cats plugin does it fairly ok
pure junco
How tho
shell nest
it's really not when each material is kb is size
weary bison
yes
rigid crescent
LOL
weary bison
don't post it here
rigid crescent
Scroll up jeez
pseudo dawn
You really should not link videos like that, quite honestly.
rigid crescent
People don't/cant read
potent heath
Too late, now I have the powe, whoops accidentally closed the page
rigid crescent
Or use better judgment
modern sand
We get it guys, please move on.
weary bison
worst case is you get mistaken for someone trying to distribute it and permbanned
regal mason
ah ok i didnt know it
pure junco
Alright
warped urchin
It's sorta hard to move on when it's jeopardizing the large majority of the VRChat community.
regal mason
i am sorry
sand bough
link to Trash can
rigid crescent
What does talking about it fix?
regal mason
i just didnt see the posts before
weary bison
what did we just say
warped urchin
It generates discussion that's all.
rigid crescent
Related topic, you really think the large majority have custom avatars lol
blissful glacier
I have a sucky custome avatar...
umbral reef
They should pull off an china move and take the software creator to court 👀 Would be funny to see
pure junco
I make my models
weary bison
don't post the video, this isn't the place to report or discuss hacking
vocal shard
^
rigid crescent
I made mine as well, but it's definitely not a majority.
pure junco
I should make moreeee
weary bison
depending on how often this happens it'll probably result in an automatic temp ban for anyone posting it regardless of context
potent heath
I took a loli avatar, put on a mask from payday and gave her the ability to whip out a shotgun, if someone finds that stealabke, I would be honored
vocal shard
same
weary bison
I like seeing people in my avatars, that's why I put them in my world
whole lodge
If we all be knuckles, they don't know what we have
weary bison
that would be pretty funny if hacking was more of a problem, like regardless of what the avatar is just name it knuckles and use knuckles as the thumbnail
pure junco
God I should do that
whole lodge
Grade A
shell nest
@weary bison in your world on a pedistil not stolen from your private collection.
pure junco
"Welcome to Sherry's Avatar Roulette. What do you get? Even I dont know go away"
weary bison
yeah, that's why we gotta stop hacking
pure junco
Yeaaaa
shell nest
my avatar is a custom FFXIV model of exactly how my character from the game looked I'd rather not see it stolen since it was hard enough to copy in the actual game it was from
pure junco
Solution: We all use just T-posHOOKER
simple pilot
Can I become a can?
whole lodge
@shell nest my avi is also in
potent heath
@shell nest ooh, I would love to import my ff14 character, how did you do yours
whole lodge
But still a work in progress so I'm not too worried about it
shell nest
@potent heath DM me and i'll get you the info there's a thing i can't remember the name for extracting the textures and stuff from the game so when I can check i'll reply
vale palm
rukio that doesnt work btw
you can search by author
and if they know you got a certain avatar
vale palm
they'll get that you just named and pictured it differently
whole lodge
They won't know what I have in my library if all I use in game is knuckles
If I was a jerk, I wouldn't want to search a knuckles profile
vale palm
they will if they see you with an avatar
they'll just save all of yours on their acc and voila
whole lodge
That's why just knuckles
vale palm
camouflage only works til they see you using it
shell nest
But why upload if all you use is knuckles
vale palm
allright nevermind
shell nest
@vale palm i get what you're saying
vocal shard
Hey, I haven't played VRChat in like 2 weeks now and i have a question. Are those shitty knuckles still around?
shell nest
If you're in a semi private room and you switch to your uploaded Avatar it's still not safe you don't know who your "friends" really are
solid pivot
Does anyone know a proper way to record the game while in VR? When I record it feels as if it's kind of zoomed in which I can understand with being in VR your viewangles are a lot greater but I wanna know if there are anyways I can limit this as small as possible
Please PM me if you know of any suggestions as it gets pretty crazy in this discord and I may miss it. Thanks!
I use OBS btw
vale palm
your avatars arent safe now either way
ppl can just periodically check your account if they know you
opaque prism
my avatar was stolen!!! 😦
shell nest
Yup
sudden palm
@solid pivot hold shift when launching, itll let you choose a resolution
shell nest
That's why i deleted my ffxiv Avatar
opaque prism
oh wait nvm, I forgot that I had put it in a public world
sudden palm
then set it to one of the preferred obs resolution
vale palm
i just deleted all of mine : / rip
vocal shard
what method is most likely going to get me seen sooner if i wish to suggest a countermeasure for prevention of avatar-jacking?
warped urchin
I mean any
rigid crescent
Probably the can
warped urchin
You should have replaced the avatars before deleting them.
opaque prism
my beautiful celebi avatar was stolen
rigid crescent
Everyone knooooooows
vocal shard
i need to talk to devs about a potential solution? should i dm? email?
golden violet
so unusable?
golden violet
that's like adding salt to the wound
uncut gorge
How dare someone steal this avatar from me that I stole from some random japanese artist!
warped urchin
How dare someone steal my custom model I spent time making.
hasty wedge
so its mine tyvm
warped urchin
I mean sure justify stealing avatars like that
But I spent time on my avatars
And made them myself
uncut gorge
I'm not trying to justify it, I just find the irony amusing
vocal shard
Hello everyone... i've been thinking about making some worlds for vrchat and wanted to know if there are any restrictions/requirements to making a world
opaque prism
my avatar has been stolen!
uncut gorge
which is a very very very very very small portion of the player base
opaque prism
Fix this Ruuub!
uncut gorge
the vast majority just converted an already existing model
shell nest
Unique avatars using custom hair and clothing to make it unique isn't really theft you've changed the model enough to justify its no longer theirs
hasty wedge
would that mean i can upload it on bowlroll and claim it as my own 
opaque prism
yes
uncut gorge
yes but make sure to include a "DO NOT USE OUTSIDE OF VRCHAT" clause in the readme
hasty wedge
LOL
vale palm
whats with these idiots justifying their exploiting now :>
warped urchin
@uncut gorge you say this but quite a lot more then you think use custom avatars that aren't public.
shell nest
You're also not redistributing it as your own work 100% yourself
warped urchin
That's not a small percentage of the user
fiery crest
I mean, I import models and then make emotes for them. Kinda sucks when someone can claim my work as theres.
uncut gorge
Mura, none of my avatars are public, but they are all just shit I converted from other sources and added minor customizations to
warped urchin
Have you been on the vrctraders discord
uncut gorge
I'd say most people are similar to me
warped urchin
You know how many people stroll in there and ask for custom models.
uncut gorge
I don't think it's 10% of people who are using totally original models that aren't frankensteined from MMD or whatever
warped urchin
I only say what I see with my own eyes
warped urchin
It's not the majority of the players so it's k
vale palm
it sure smells like kindergarden in here
warped urchin
80% use knuckles avatars
uncut gorge
No, I'm not saying it's fine. All I said was that I find the irony hilarious. We are all complaining about people stealing our avatars when the vast majority of us stole our avatars from japanese websites and deviant art
white saffron
warped urchin
You can't really say you stole something when it's up for public download
That's like saying you stole the download for steam.
golden violet
stolen when there's a link and a couragement to edit and use anywhere?
pure junco
I mean
golden violet
odd description of stealing
pure junco
I didnt steal my avatar from the internet or such
uncut gorge
most of them say "DO NOT USE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN" or "FOR USE IN MMD ONLY"
shell nest
it's not theft when they distrubute them for use. it's theft when you modify the distibuted file for personal use and someone takes it from you without permission
pearl stag
Can they edit the avatar once they save it?
warped urchin
Yes but that isn't stealing that's breaking the poorly worded one way agreement the MMD modeler asks you to follow.
No they can't edit the avatar.
pure junco
It also falls into "Free online" sort of deal
uncut gorge
lowering the poly count is "editing"
pearl stag
Just throw ur name on one of the textures lmao
uncut gorge
😛
pure junco
Delete the entire interntet
uncut gorge
I'm not trying to fight any system. I'm just saying the irony is hilarious. I don't want my avatars stolen any more than any of you do.
It's just funny, that's all
blissful glacier
Is there a rule on how lewd a model can be...?
pure junco
I think it falls into "is it basically porn"
hasty wedge
murakumo u can take the new pipeline
pure junco
at least public use
dire dragon
how do I report people again?
hasty wedge
since its viewable from ur entire account uploads
dire dragon
someone just ripped my avatar
thin sandal
I'm just talking about the new hack. No point if they can just search my name again like an hour later
And see I uploaded something
hasty wedge
also we shouldnt talk about this in public before the new one spreads
blissful glacier
Like bikini or is tgat too much?
blissful glacier
Phew I'm good...
uncut gorge
I spent forever rigging up one of the models I downloaded like a marionette being controlled by strings. I don't want that shit stolen. But the ultimate fact remains that I "stole" the original model myself.
upper cedar
But someone who borrowed a program from someone else stole your work and the JP model with zero sweat
had no effort in the sake
blissful glacier
Man i want to rip Nier Gestalt for models... but it's impossible to find at tgis rate....
pure junco
maybe we dont take others avatars from vrchat and leave it at that
vocal shard
Dont forget when you upload an avatar you are checking off that you have full permission to use it, the avatar stealers arent doing that process, so even if you steal your avatar from online at least you're taking responsibility
pure junco
This basically
vocal shard
grrrr i can't find where i should be telling the devs about this . . . i can't dm . . . they need to encrypt avatar data
shell nest
@vocal shard they only accept email
vocal shard
I'm just making an alt account til they fix this and using pedestals
@shell nest which email? feedback?
tidal aspen
it's not avatar data they need to encrypt, they need to encrypt the avatar IDs and such
uncut gorge
Lol yeah @vocal shard I already have a private world with pedestals for all my avatars uploaded
vocal shard
yeah no shit
tidal aspen
or have a different way of getting them
vocal shard
they need to encrypt it all, and then separate it all.. have textures and materials in different places etc
so you can't just get it all in one easy bundle
without an access key specific to account
huh?
what do you mean it doesn't work like that
there's non-unity methods you can use for pathing data, even if unity doesn't know how to read model data from multiple locations
tidal aspen
that's not how the people are stealing them
vocal shard
they'd all be encrypted :|
pure junco
I dont have friends and no @simple pilot doesnt count : ((((
sick gyro
Then visit less public worlds and such, new maps come out everyday, and you might find some nice people there.
cyan rapids
hmmmm this is interesting, i can't seem to tell if there's only one of these spikes on each side of the ball, because this is the clearest shot of it i can find http://prntscr.com/iakj7b
pure junco
Id go with "probably"
vocal shard
you need to have the right friends and stuff to get anything going on in friends+
vocal shard
Showing off and seeing new models is fun
keen chasm
I have a floating house as an avatar. And notthe house from UP. I'd spam our house but then I would be no better for it
simple pilot
Oh is that how it is
vocal shard
Anyone else experiencing an issue with all worlds being empty?
lyric nebula
everyone left because of this new hack I guess 😄
shell nest
No one wants to mess with public worlds not that it makes a difference though it helps so they don't have a username to look up and example models to give a reason to look up
lyric nebula
sucks so much though, the ones that will leave are the people who make stuff from scratch
shell nest
Yup
lyric nebula
I got to try full body tracking in vrchat today at work 😄 it was pretty rad and it was also before I heard the news so gonna be the last fun I have in vrchat for a while
pretty good fun though. a guy rammed me through with a fire sword so I kicked him in the face
uncut gorge
what news?
lyric nebula
new way to steal avatars, they only have to know your nickname or your avs name now
so basically if they've seen you, ever, they can steal you
uncut gorge
fuck that, don't let them dictate whether you play the game or not
lyric nebula
extra sad for unique party people like electroswinger and brochacho
well, I make all my stuff custom, for myself so this is leaving a hella bad taste in my mouth
vale palm
give yourself a name with weird letters nobody can do
lyric nebula
doesn't cost me that much to take a break
vale palm
so they cant browse your avatars by name :>
hasty wedge
they can browse by author
vale palm
how can they browse by author if they cant do the signs
uncut gorge
stick to private worlds with friends if you must, but quitting altogether because you're scared someone will steal your avatar is silly
lyric nebula
also this work shouldn't have to be done by me, it should be done by the devs and it seems like the avatar stealing problem has been semi ignored since it first began :v
you can find it as silly as you want
uncut gorge
someone might steal my car, better leave it in my garage forever
golden violet
it's not really silly. I can see this being the end if it's not fixed.
vale palm
the issue is stealing your car will be more difficult and has actual rl implications
stealing an avatar does not
lyric nebula
stealing an avatar is also stealing someone's identity that they might have worked hard to build up
vale palm
this aint korea, sadly
golden violet
making custom things takes time and time is money.
small radish
stealing avatar can still have potential copyright (or similar) implications
vale palm
the majority of models, even if creations by themselves still go back to a MMD-ish base body
you just gotta use the most used TDA or 3dcg or others and there goes any right youve ever had
vernal totem
yeah this game is lawsuit waiting to happen 
vale palm
its free so its fine
uncut gorge
everyone is acting like there is an avatar theif in every single world just waiting for them personally to log in so they can steal their avatar
don't let terrorists win!
golden violet
better not risk it
vale palm
depends on how you see it, I used to play APB, was easily one of the top players, when the first banwave happened 90% of the top players disappeared
:>
quick finch
Not everyone uploads MMD models. Ill still be playing, because I enjoy the game a lot. But the poor security on avatars could very well empty the game of content creators
Then it will just be the MMD uploaders
hasty wedge
imagine creating the best animation in the world then lose it in 5 sec cause a streamer saw it on stream
lyric nebula
yeah people never tell you when they're streaming either
I was on stream without knowing it for like an hour the other day. hilarious footage but also a bit eh
hasty wedge
ikr
visual zealot
it's the copy ID / model linked to that, correct?
hasty wedge
i was about to start on my lolice animations 
lyric nebula
also Vilar I'll log on for you, during the weekends, onto an empty map ;D
tidal aspen
pretty much
lyric nebula
but I won't be making any new content hmph!
visual zealot
If they're stealing that, then just re-upload with the same pipeline with animations and particles that make them crash upon loading
hasty wedge
they can retake it instantly
visual zealot
They're going to retake a model that makes them crash?
hasty wedge
no the new upload
quick finch
It still seems to be an ID based copy, which still allows the original user to overwrite the avater. Unfortunately with it being name based instead of in game, they can just get your new one too. and then again, and again.
visual zealot
And I'll just keep those, it's not difficult as someone that makes models to do that
pearl stag
Wait so if i remove it they lose it too?
visual zealot
I won't be crashing so it'll be fine
hasty wedge
nono i mean
quick finch
If you overwrite it, I believe it is overwritten for them
visual zealot
^
hasty wedge
they can keep track of ur new uploads now
vale palm
youre gonan upload a new avatar
quick finch
but if you re-add it, they can have it again instantly
vale palm
and theyre gonna get that
lyric nebula
yeah they can search by name
visual zealot
Alright, and then I'll fix that one also
soft turret
sum1 stole my avatar while playing
visual zealot
if they want to waste their time, all them
soft turret
i was like hey youi look fantastic !
vale palm
you obviously havent met a lot of ppl then cactus
soft turret
and moved on and they changed got bored i guess lmao
vale palm
there are creeps out there that'll do that
hasty wedge
if someone stole mine id kiss them tbh
uncut gorge
Why there exists a publically accessable list of everyone's avatars is beyond me
vale palm
^
visual zealot
Also true!
uncut gorge
seems a simple fix, just stop allowing public access to that data
lyric nebula
yyyeah this is why this whole issue feels a bit ignored
quick finch
All the issues come down to development time and prioritization. VRChat has a really good thing going in this game. I really genuinely hope they dont let it die by refusing to upscale their development efforts.
lyric nebula
since they've known about avatar security for a while, and this is still accessible?
uncut gorge
well stealing by ID is one thing, can't really avoid that as those id's exist in memory on your client in order for it to let you actually see others on your screen
no real fixfor that is possible
but making a searchable database of id's accesable to the public is stupid
cyan rapids
http://prntscr.com/ial9ji i fucking love my life right now xD
cyan rapids
I ain't gotta do shit to the model, its got such a low poly count....only
quick finch
There are a wide variety of ways to mark avatars as private and disallow them on non-owner clients. Either they are working on a solution, or it isnt a priority.
Im guessing it isnt a priority for them
cyan rapids
https://image.prntscr.com/image/kCNHaNsZQfeoJM6EjfHn5A.png its textures are partially broken
mental verge
Stick a particle effect above your head saying eg "skin only for Nigel Thornberry" so hacked can be spotted
quick finch
Understandable, as they are having a lot of growing pains, but still ouch
rigid crescent
Idk why people see this as the thepossible death who thinks customs are the majority or anyehrre close?
sick plaza
avatar creators are often map makers. if they quit = less content = faster agony
lyric nebula
well, as VR develops as a medium more high quality experiences are going to be released, and the best thing they could do is to try and keep the content creators that are willing to grow with the game
to make, you know, content
I'm also a map maker, so that's true
quick finch
This kind of game needs to court developers to be successful. Why do you think you have so many worlds and avatars to choose from? The creators are not being payed, they enjoy building content for the game.
uncut gorge
I'm totally gonna steal your LhannanLand map and claim it as my own!!!!
sturdy cove
@lyric nebula I totally feel you here
lyric nebula
and after a while people are going to get tired of the same old quite low quality maps
tidal aspen
no more custom avatars, everyone is now nikei, everyone now has to make custom worlds
lyric nebula
@uncut gorge feel free to check it out, it's called Fish Person's Cove and is public
quick finch
@lyric nebula Your place went public! Nice!!
lyric nebula
@quick finch only the first version
quick finch
Still cool!
lyric nebula
the new version is still private since I had some fixes I wanted to do
sick plaza
not to mention lack of ability to fix such critical problem does not cast a really good light
lyric nebula
@whole lodge haha I have since added some golf clubs and beach balls ;D
and charades
whole lodge
Would love a little jukebox. If people don't like the music. Chuck it into da sea
muted cave
Anyone who uses a rift who knows why this keeps happening? When I accidentaly klick the menu button on the left controller, my whole avatar freeze. As in - it happened in the Oculus tutorial too I think it was. So now every time I accidentaly hit that button I have to rebooth my whole computer
lyric nebula
getting new music was actually on the list as the one I have right now is creative commons
was gonna get some custom music done for that map specifically
cerulean ice
lyric nebula
huh sounds like something is wrong with your rift..?
sturdy cove
@Titanya#1337 did you enable beta in oculus app?
muted cave
Not sure?
lyric nebula
I say was btw because until they start showing some love for content creators with regards to theft I'm gonna sit on my ass
vocal shard
Can't say i've ever had that happen
muted cave
I mean what is the left menu button even supposed to do?
uncut gorge
@muted cave I use a rift and have never experienced that problem
sturdy cove
@muted cave probably not then. Menu button on the left controller is for steamvr. Try it in native oculus app for reference
uncut gorge
it's supposed to open up steam VR interface
muted cave
hmm shit. Might need to check it out then
because my avatar acts like I am in a menu, I can still hear/speak to people
jsut not move and I can't close the "menu" again
sturdy cove
Some problems with steamvr probably
sturdy cove
Not that buggy
vocal shard
^ this for me too
steep turret
word^
cyan rapids
http://prntscr.com/ialdvu Lovely
fading tendon
Im upset now
open relic
carmine dew
is it true about that new hacker tool on vrchat?
desert mason
are servers down? 🤔
lyric nebula
seems so yes yobro
desert mason
modern sand
yep let's not link it here thanks
wild mulch
No, so the users don't go out of their way to obtain it
Ruuubick is right on this one
meager sundial
But the most stupid thing saw in video. Some idiot have only knukles shit avatars. Its new lvl of cancer
lyric nebula
didn't he just search for "knuckles" as the avatar name though?
to show that you can search by avatar name
lyric nebula
I found some kind of gathering of these credins and interesting tidbit, someone is referring to deleting the avatars they've saved. as in, from the system
lime terrace
I'm stuck in an infinite loading loop upon entering a world
lyric nebula
maybe someone can confirm/deny if THAT is a thing
lime terrace
Mine were gone earlier as well
lime terrace
I think it is down
vocal shard
Yep.
lime terrace
This is just a daily occurrence now, isn't it?
coarse blaze
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 7169 users in VRChat currently
coarse blaze
wait wat
rigid crescent
When the servers go "down" it's really just people who can't connect
rigid crescent
Literally every single time I've seen people talk of them being down, I can connect.
Every time without fail
fading tendon
Depends where you live tho
light brook
So what is being done about Kanna Gang releasing their vrsearch for people to obtain others avatars
rigid crescent
I'm sure the exact thing you think is being done
the same answer to the same question everyone is asking
light brook
Nothing?
rigid crescent
ok, so you think they're oing nothing
why ask if you know the answer
or think you do lol
primal glacier
you guys got ''could not login forbidden'' too?
lyric nebula
I'm looking at the twitch of one of the guys apparently behind the new hack now and he's totally earning money on it too
n i c e
vernal mauve
Kill it...
rigid crescent
A+ idea
lyric nebula
this was super easy to find so I suspect they know
fading tendon
Its hard to do that though
He can make multiple accounts
Use vpns if needed
The only way to fix it really
Is to have a system to detect if anythings been changed
But that doesnt take into account those who make a whole different application
unkempt cairn
The Vrsearch thing?
fading tendon
Yes
vocal shard
@fringe lava
pure junco
the mods siad earlier
vocal shard
hello
modern sand
Don't link those, please 😃
pure junco
best to-yeah
vocal shard
I am Thot Patrol
modern sand
I'm sure you guys already know, don't give them the attention they so desperately crave
lyric nebula
@modern sand subbing to his twitch is a prereq for getting the cheat though so I hope you at least have scrubbed the follower list and looked into anyone with the same username?
modern sand
We're doing our own things don't worry 😉
lyric nebula
I do worry though
fading tendon
Thata fair
pure junco
by "our own things" I think that means "handling it"
best to not really focus on it unless its directly affecting you in game
tidal aspen
hopefully it's fixed soon because people might just stop playing altogether since a draw of this game is making avatars
pure junco
they just want people to react and focus
lyric nebula
yeah there's no ingame for me until this is fixed
I make worlds as well as avatars, so their loss
vocal shard
cant play vrchat anymore without it crashing a few minutes later
fading tendon
The only thing to do now is to change all the avatar names to stuff likw
Eeyftd5627272gdbshr
vocal shard
avatar channel club
coarse crest
lyric nebula
I know, I'm gonna delete the one avatar I care about
light brook
All this would be fixed if vrchat just remained, for vr
lyric nebula
vrchat's business model is introducing desktop users to vr though, so a vr only vrchat would be super bad?
I mean there must be a reason why this is all free 😛
light brook
It's only desktop users doing stuff like hacking, knucklesmemeing, t34 storming, and having seizure inducing, world crippling special fx
hasty wedge
desktop + vr and vr only worlds
lyric nebula
and vrchat partners with htc, right?
hasty wedge
but rip fun desktop bois tho
light brook
Find me someone who spent $400 just to be a midget knuckles in a free game
uncut trail
Morning all
median spire
if you can think of it, someone's done it
lyric nebula
I've seen many desktop users who didn't intend to get vr but ended up doing it because they wanted to wave their hands around too
uncut trail
Is it me or twitch broken ?
light brook
Just remove desktop users
pure junco
thats like
light brook
Tell them bullshit like "muh new engine, won't work on desktop, you have 1 month to get a wmr or sayonara"
pure junco
"HEY BUY A GOOD COMPUTER AND A VR SET LOL OR FUCK OFF"
light brook
Yes, I ll lose out on the swarm of knucklesmemers
light brook
So sad
pure junco
that fair?
median spire
or just make friends and don't hang out in scrub worlds
lyric nebula
nah desktop users can stay 😉 I like'em
pure junco
and before you go "Lol just save up for VR"
Not everyone can afford the desktops neeed for VR, or the sets
lyric nebula
I too am a desktop user sometimes
light brook
Maybe try not playing on your college laptop, john
vocal shard
anxiety still lives in vr
pure junco
hell, I was saving up to build a rig, then my last laptop just died
median spire
if I wanna drink I don't do it with my headset
vocal shard
so us individuals have to hunt in the wild worlds
pure junco
Like I said
not everyone can just, go and afford it
I was saving up then literally my last computer just crapped out on me right before finals week
lyric nebula
then again if they lose all the creators who care about vr the other vr social networks are gonna catch up
and it'll be DesktopChat 😛
since all the actual vr users will be in wherever else, I dunno sansa? ugh.
I've seen what happens when desktop users just rip a level from a game and throw it in there. scale's shit, usability is shit, thumbs down vr experience
light brook
There are height colliders right?
vagrant sequoia
Vrchat log me out and it doesnt let me log back in