#vrchat-general-2

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sharp hornet
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It's a dual core with a base of 2.3 ghz.

vocal shard
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that explains it

tacit plank
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Oh, I'm sorry to hear that

sharp hornet
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i5 6200u sucks.

vocal shard
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ehhh its aight

tacit plank
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Load smaller worlds or safe ram by using Firefox instead of Chrome ๐Ÿ˜›

sharp hornet
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Unless you can show me your ram usage in task manager, I'm going to assume that your issue is caused by the CPU. @vocal shard

vocal shard
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and thats in regular usage

sharp hornet
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40 percent usage okay.

vocal shard
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as ive already said i cant show what was the task manager situation while i played vrchat because the laptop was FROZEN

sharp hornet
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Then how do you know it's a ram issue?

vocal shard
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im just going to assume it happened because it ran out of ram and used pagefile

sharp hornet
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I feel like it's the cpu.

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Sucking.

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VrChat is a game heavily reliant on cpu.

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If it eats up almost 50 percent on my computer running a quad core intel cpu, then what do you think it'll do to a duo core cpu?

vocal shard
devout island
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Dual core cpus in 2018?

vocal shard
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pic i took when it locked up

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see the ram usage

sharp hornet
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Yeah.

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This guy has an intel i5 6200 u.

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And trying to run vrchat.

vocal shard
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never before ive had it this bad

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@sharp hornet the game runs ok actually

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only when there's too many avs at once it'll lag to like 25 or 15 fps

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I get low FPS at times too even with my decent specs

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NEVER ive had it completely lock up my system

devout island
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You better start using low graphics

haughty parrot
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mouth machine broke

vocal shard
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@devout island i am

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jeeeeeeeesus it was a ram problemmmm

devout island
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Your poor laptop couldn't handle the avatars

vocal shard
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i was in the same world for a long time

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so it was probably why

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it was at penthouse at night

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not sure what the user limit is there

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hi can somebody here help me with mmd decimation

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thanks

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is there a world where i can watch youtube videos with my friends ?

jolly sapphire
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do you know anyone who can help me with something?

vocal shard
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how do I put vrhcat in 3rd person

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help me

ivory hollow
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has there been any word on when the new scripting system is going live?

vocal shard
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what scripting system

ivory hollow
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There was a community update where they mentioned patching in a new scripting system for worlds to use

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cant remember the name of it

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Oh its called playmaker

tacit plank
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Well CTF and bowling is broken now, so it would probably be for the best to get a new system

vocal shard
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People are still stealing avatars ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

tepid kestrel
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@covert chasm Woah, your poly detection is done locally? It'd probably be a better idea for your servers to do it and reject illegal poly counts

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You know this, though. It must be some technicality I'm not aware of

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Was literally just browsing VRCSDK and stumbled upon it lol

sharp hornet
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People have tampered with that to get in avatars >20k tris.

tepid kestrel
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I mean, it's a single line of code.

tacit plank
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It's common knowledge but people try not to shareit anyways

vocal shard
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smh

sharp hornet
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I met a guy who got a 50k model fully into the game with tampering.

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It's easy to do.

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But scummy to do.

tepid kestrel
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I don't blame people for exploiting it, it's like it was made easy on purpose

tacit plank
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50k is quite a lot but shouldn't lag anybody

tepid kestrel
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^ this. 20k isn't close to lagging anyone

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Their warnings are quite obsessive imho

vocal shard
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the mirrors and lots of particle effects are the ones that lag me

tacit plank
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As long as it's not above (2^16)-1 (so 65535) I've heard that it doesn't matter much

sharp hornet
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Well faces don't matter.

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But it's the effects that accompany them.

stone current
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yea their game is poorly made (from a server check standpoint)

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they dont check local teleports

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they dont check avatar IDs or keys to make sure it belongs to them

tepid kestrel
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I wouldn't go as far to say it's poorly made

stone current
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they dont check if poly count is excessive when sent to upload

tepid kestrel
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I'd say there are some things that aren't checked that need to be

vocal shard
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Its nice how you guys says this stuff where all the devs and mods can see

tepid kestrel
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That's the intention

tacit plank
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It just grew too fast

sharp hornet
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It's constructive criticism.

stone current
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well ya even games like roblox have better server authentication

sharp hornet
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It's not something along the lines of devs and mods you suck.

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This platform is still being developed.

sudden cloak
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Hey guys

stone current
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in roblox to be able to do something that modifies the game for everyone

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you would have to ask server

sharp hornet
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VrChat is still in early access after all.

stone current
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then u can make server do some checks on sent information

tacit plank
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There was no problem when the playercount was 100, but with a playercount like this there will be trolls

stone current
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or else it wont replicate

tepid kestrel
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If the community members who are experienced in game development don't poke and prod, it'd be detrimental. If we found some vulnerability and let them know before other more malicious people would, it's for the better.

stone current
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and theres some bugs where object physics wont belong to your character making u unable to pick up objects

tacit plank
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They just couldn't keep up with the growth and implement security

tepid kestrel
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this vulnerabilities would be told in secret though, this channel is quite the wrong place for such things

haughty parrot
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would it be ok to use such high poly avatars in friends worlds?

stone current
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yes but why use high poly avs in the first place

hasty wedge
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cause low poly suk

vocal shard
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u-boat just editing the sdk is already against the rules

stone current
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their game is too easy to exploit not that i have

haughty parrot
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๐Ÿ‘€

sharp hornet
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There are bans for modifying sdk now.

stone current
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ive just seen a bunch of vurnerabilities that others have found

vocal shard
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@hasty wedge low poly no succ

sharp hornet
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Or client rather.

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Some guy was posting about it in bugreport.

hasty wedge
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o ur rite

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it cant succ cause its ugly ๐Ÿค”

stone current
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normal maps help with low poly

sharp hornet
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About how he was banned for modifying client.

vocal shard
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generic, a mod himself said, modifying both the client or the sdk is ban-able

tepid kestrel
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Poly modifications are impossible to detect if done right, unless they cross check the reported value with what was actually uploaded

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which is possible

stone current
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no its always possible to detect

sharp hornet
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Which is my point? @vocal shard

vocal shard
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oh

tacit plank
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Well if you steal avatars or teleport 20 people below the map, I don't really feel bad for you getting banned

stone current
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u just have to send the model to the vrchat server

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then they can check there

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and pass that model over

tepid kestrel
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Which is exactly what I was saying

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you misunderstand

sharp hornet
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Which is why I don't screw with the sdk in any way.

stone current
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and stealing avatars is too easy

tacit plank
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Head the game itself knows everything about your character since it has to send it to everyone else

stone current
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it appears they just clone the avatar

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and especially the fact u can reupload them

tepid kestrel
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You guys are deaf, I'm saying they're not cross checking which is their problem.

stone current
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if avatars had some sort of key attached to them that was stored

tepid kestrel
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if they don't do that, its' impossible to detect

stone current
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u can check if they have a valid avatar key in the database

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and if it belongs to their user

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and they could simply prevent client from changing their own avatar

tacit plank
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It's possible to check, they just have to not trust the client

stone current
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and instead client will tell server to change their avatar

tepid kestrel
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I'm sure they have a hash for each one that's not the blueprint id

stone current
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that way when client changes it it will not replicate

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so nobody will see it

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and if they try to upload it would upload their server character

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idk y u can upload them ingame anyways

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but ya its just poorly made, not gameplay wise

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but its not very secure

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the only thing secure about vrchat i suppose are the servers themselves (no IP tracking, database hacking) and the amazon cloud service it stores models on

vocal shard
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They clearly have a way to know who's avatar is who's else your uploaded one wouldn't be listed as yours

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Should be
If you change avatars to something that isn't public yet and it isn't yours it is invalid

stone current
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ya but they let things replicate to server

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i.e. teleporting players could so easily be prevented

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if character physics didnt replicate back and forth

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or if its a server message then if they checked teleport ability

vocal shard
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I've seen people teleport objects but have yet to see someone teleport players

stone current
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its 100% possible due to bad security checks

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if they kept client and server separate there would be more latency in game but it would be more secure

vocal shard
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The person doing it was being a little nice though, they were teleporting all of the sleds back to the top of Sled Hill

stone current
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hopefully not noticable enough latency

sharp hornet
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I've seen players teleporting via script.

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It's already been done.

tepid kestrel
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"if they kept client and server seperate ..." what are you even going on about

sharp hornet
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Dev team is aware of such a script though.

vocal shard
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client and server are separate, the server is likely a relay

stone current
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as in they do not replicate literally everything back and forth

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they keep client as client and server as server

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server replicates to client

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and only local movement physics and input replicates to server

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key word is only

vocal shard
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Normally it's like
Client says hey i just moved over here
Server goes okay i'll tell everyone that

stone current
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they could still teleport

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but that doesnt matter all that much

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teleporting others is much more of a problem

vocal shard
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But some people are doing
hey i just teleported everyone over here
Server just says sure that's normal i'll tell everyone

stone current
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ya

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and stuff like

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*spawns object*

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server: *replicates*

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*spawns avatar*
server: *replicates*

vocal shard
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Object spawning used to be done with scripts and had practical use

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but people ruined it I guess

stone current
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yes but instead of spawning client side

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u could have made it so that in a world

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button -> to server, given client -> spawn object -> replicate to clients

vocal shard
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There was someone in an avatar testing world that had a polaroid camera that printed out pictures people could pick up

stone current
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and server could also check distance and delay for button

vocal shard
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might have been a mod though

stone current
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thats kinda cool i guess but

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people can make cannons and stuff that spam objects

pure junco
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actually perry

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its a unity thing

stone current
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i mean making these fixes would probably

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break some of the game

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most of the scripts

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and cause a bunch of re-writing

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but it should have been made like that anyways lol

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i mean it shouldnt be too hard to replicate things efficiently in worlds if the scripts were meant to replicate from client automatically

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the only issue would probably be them not screwing up the changes

vagrant sequoia
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does anyone knows how to get this wings?

glacial zenith
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!online

floral flaxBOT
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There are 10191 users in VRChat currently

vocal shard
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You could probably make a custom version in blender if you just get the textures to move and be transparent.

mortal light
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@stone current wat?

lean mortar
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Good morning

hushed galleon
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so guys

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Im creating all of twilight town in vrchat for you guys!

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It may take a while

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but I think it'll be a fun project

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๐Ÿ˜„

sharp hornet
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Twilight town?

hushed galleon
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From kingdom hearts

sharp hornet
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Oh.

hushed galleon
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its the starting world

sharp hornet
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Good luck with that.

hushed galleon
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Im putting all of it in VR chat ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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I downloaded every single file and model.

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Its a matter of colission really

lean mortar
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Cool I guess

hushed galleon
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and transitions

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Then Im making kingdom hearts avatars

mortal light
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and vclusters

hushed galleon
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for anyone to use

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

lean mortar
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I hardly know anything about kingdom hearts

hushed galleon
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whats a vcluster

mortal light
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vision clusters. or does unity not have vclusters?

hushed galleon
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dont think thats a thing

mortal light
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determines what to render relative to what is being seen in game

hushed galleon
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But for now

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I think im gonna keep it like

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one area

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and expand from that area onwards

vocal shard
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What's the server Id? I'm on mobile

formal canopy
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Does anyone know how to fix the flares on avatar for charizard? In unity

vocal shard
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O boi

calm lance
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Dooodies

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Lets make a crusade

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Against traps

olive citrus
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Nah.

twin condor
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Test

calm lance
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  • Taking his crusade sword *
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Ja ja ja stop invasion

hollow tendon
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i love that in this game 1 second my gpu usage is at 20% and the next its at 100%

vocal shard
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^

calm lance
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Its not optimized models of spme players

hollow tendon
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only a few months ago the game ran great and now if theres any more than 10 people in a room it ruins everyones fps

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even if nothing big is going on

vocal shard
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How would I report this person?

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They are stealing/ripping peoples avatars

leaden kiln
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when you see someone doing that, click on them, click on details and screenshot that too

grizzled hearth
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Just uploaded my first ever video ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿคž I'm scared...

stone current
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??

leaden kiln
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lol 38 views already. mine have... 3.

coarse blaze
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๐Ÿค”

vocal shard
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is vrchat down? i cant seem to login

rigid crescent
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nah im on right now

brittle terrace
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Is it possible to watch youtube in VRChat?

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Like, you give it a link to watch.

vocal shard
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yeah theres a ciniema

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to watch youtube

brittle terrace
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Nice, know the world name? And or how to access the ui for selecting videos?

vocal shard
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not sure just type cinimea

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or how ever its spelt

brittle terrace
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Appreciate it.

crystal epoch
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Hello World, and all of its inhabitents!

carmine stream
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Hello!, regrettably Iโ€™m one of those inhabitants of which you speak.

crystal epoch
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I'm just looking for somone to do some MMD merging for me. ^^;

copper furnace
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The upload servers must of just went down. Now i cant upload this model stuck

kind folio
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Is it just my game crashing??

crystal epoch
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@supple bison @umbral night

umbral night
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Thank you!

crystal epoch
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I made it easier for you. :p

coarse blaze
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@crystal epoch what do u mean by that

mighty galleon
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hi

vocal shard
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3000 ping

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in vrchat

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10 ping everywhere else

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what the duck

inner cape
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Servers in usa
My american friend has 100+ ping
Im in EU and have 90+ ping

coarse blaze
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Is it just me who doesn't care about the ping?

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I mean, 200 ping felt pretty normal with no delays or anything

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When talking to people

inner cape
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If you were to play many other games with that ping you would be lagging a lot
For some reason that ping in vrc doesnt feel like a big ping, I dont feel any delays

lilac swan
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Try playing battledisc and say that again ๐Ÿ˜ข

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But yes, ping doesn't matter too much on social platforms

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especially 100-200 ping

coarse blaze
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Well, I do play other games

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At least I thought having 100-200 is normal ok VRChat

lilac swan
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I usually have 130 ping (From sweden) and I'm doing fine, except when playing battledisc with a lot of users in the world and against non-eu players

inner cape
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But that guy with 3k ping lUl

lilac swan
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Then you can clearly see something's up

coarse blaze
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I have 30 ping in EU servers as a Lithuanian

inner cape
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Poor soul

coarse blaze
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And 110 in NA, so idk

inner cape
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o

coarse blaze
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Although, I liked my ping in NA playing black desert online

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I had no clue what was my ping, but had 0 lag

inner cape
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Neighbour Lithuanian ๐Ÿค”

coarse blaze
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๐Ÿค”

jovial aspen
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ping lol

inner cape
jovial aspen
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from nz connecting i get like 430

inner cape
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Too bad

coarse blaze
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What if ping is like a placebo and it doesn't actually exist

jovial aspen
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doesn't matter tho

coarse blaze
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๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿค”

inner cape
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Alroight pols

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I will go nowe

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Boye

jovial aspen
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cya o/

sturdy cove
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Placebo does exist though ๐Ÿค” it even -kinda- works. I have a ping of 240 usually

coarse blaze
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Not what I meant

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Ping just affects us causing placebo effect, but it doesn't actually exist

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xd

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The ping doesn't exist what I mean

sleek bone
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How to add emojis?

sturdy cove
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Where?wtf

sleek bone
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In VRChat

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Those floating pictures

spare kettle
lilac swan
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Just parent a picture above your avatar before uploading it @sleek bone

wise swallow
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hello all o_O/

willow tide
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Is there a procedure for dealing with peeps with hacked clients?

lilac swan
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!outputlog

floral flaxBOT
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You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt

coarse blaze
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How do you guys find those hackers

vocal shard
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They find you, you don't find them

coarse blaze
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I mean, I'm scared of them

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But at the same time I wanna find one

vocal shard
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Don't

coarse blaze
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Also, Peck, are you by chance Starlite (I think was the name)

vocal shard
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They might steal your avatar if you have one imported

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No I'm not

coarse blaze
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I have 6 imported, LUL

vocal shard
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I'm just Peck

coarse blaze
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All 6 are 19.9k polys

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One is a bit lower

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So I don't really want em stolen

vocal shard
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I have 3 models and only one is a proper one

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And it got stolen

coarse blaze
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Rip

vocal shard
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Yea

coarse blaze
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Well, not as much problem when they're from the internet

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But I'm still concerned about those who legit spend time just to hack in a fuckn socialising game

vocal shard
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Yea

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Its dumb to hack in a game like VRChat

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Why in this game as apposed to any other?

coarse blaze
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Maybe I just don't go to places with them

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cause there is literally nothing to hack for?

vocal shard
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What about attention?

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My IP was banned

coarse blaze
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No micro transactions, no in-game currency, no leaderboard

vocal shard
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and it says in 24 hours i will be unbaned

coarse blaze
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Just go around and speak russian or use soundboard for attention

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Also, I might have not encountered one yet cause I dislike crowded places, lol

vocal shard
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A hacker?

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No

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Inappropiated avatar

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Not you

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oh xd

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NO NUDE AVATARS PSL

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No frogs too

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Or germans

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But I love PayPay the Frag

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I don't try to get attention, I just get it for some reason

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Yea alright m8

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maybe ur avatar is a cute kawaii anime girl

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I died a little writing that

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Well its a anime deer girl

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So I guess you're right

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jesus fuck my dudes

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my ping is at 13k

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o.o

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And?

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But on every other game it's at 20-30

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dafuq is wrong with ya'lls servers

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Make sure your little sister isnt downloading something

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she's asleep.

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Everybody is except me

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like i said in every other game it's at 20-30

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except vrchat

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which is at 13k

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You do know that ping is dynamic right?

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Well given that when i join a room, it spikes up to 13k and sits there

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How long ago did you test those other games?

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about 2 minutes ago.

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So you have multiple games open?

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no.

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i shut off vrchat, cause it was, then ran another game, and ran around, and it was stable

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maybe it's just cause they use a shitty outdated version of unity

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Do you know how ping works... or what it is?

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It's the latency between me and the servers

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Ping is that thing that ends with ping xd

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Yes

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higher is worse

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hgiher ping is more pong

lilac swan
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Checked just now and I have about 70 ping higher than I usually got

vocal shard
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Do you know of reasons why the ping might be bad?

regal reef
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Can I upload a avatar to my steam anme? and not my vrchat account?

lilac swan
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Server issues

vocal shard
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No

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n0

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and No

regal reef
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well damn

vocal shard
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Server issues is one

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And i'm assuming server stuff too

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But

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@regal reef had the same problem

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Because all the other devices in my house are off except mine

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Ping is the time between recieving packets

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Still porting friends from Steam to VR account

regal reef
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haha

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R.I..P

vocal shard
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Your speed will be lower (higher ping) when you enter a new room

lilac swan
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The routing for few select users might be going crazy, I dunno

vocal shard
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Because you have to download all those avatars

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It randomly spiked up

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while i'd been on the same server for half an hour

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Maybe someone with a stupid-big avatar joined

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and nobody new joined

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we generally stand aroundish the spawn

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so i know nobody joined

lilac swan
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Either way, it's safe to say it's more likely than not server issues. Ping shouldn't increase when someone with an unoptimized avatar joins.

vocal shard
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So i wanted to ask zarni, do you know how one would get "Developer" access on the sdk? or does that mean you literally are/arenot an official developer?

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But still... 13k is way to big for server issues based on this guys premises. Wouldnt everyone be complaining?

lilac swan
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That is a leftover from the "ancient times"

vocal shard
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Another thing

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wouldnt it be more secure to upload through the client lol

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like you used to

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that way people cant mess with the tri limit lel

half thicket
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they just need server-side verification on uploads instead of client-side

lilac swan
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Like you used to? When was this?

vocal shard
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According to a wiki i read

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when uploading avatars, you used to be able to upload the .vrca through the client

lilac swan
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That was probably atleast 2-3 years ago

vocal shard
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lemme check

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I know it was outdated, i was just curious

lilac swan
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I joined little over a year ago, so that was before my time

vocal shard
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Ah

lilac swan
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The wikia is horribly out of date FYI

vocal shard
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I know lol, but it's still fun to look around on

lilac swan
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This is the current official docs

vocal shard
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The other thing that was confusing to me

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api.vrchat.cloud
and vrchat.com, both go to the same site lol

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that was interesting to me

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huh

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didnt know about that one

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Oh also

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Zarni, i was wondering, is there a way to make it so when you turn with a controller, you go a bit faster?

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like with an xbox controller

lilac swan
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I personally have never tried playing with a USB controller, so I don't know. I don't think so however

vocal shard
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damn

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well thanks anyway

lilac swan
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

vocal shard
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D:

coarse blaze
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@vocal shard Since I go to servers with 2-4 people, new people always come to me

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Since I'm usually the only one who talks

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I feel hella awkward when ppl don't talk, they walk up to you and just stare into your soul after doing wave emote

vocal shard
#

90% of the people I meet with vr doesn't talk

#

I always begin with a warm "Hello there" sometimes it's Obiwan saying it, mostly it's me.

#

A guy I met on vrchat had the knuckles skin on and was so confused why people didn't want to talk to him

#

I blocked a group of 10 knuckles at once.

#

I don't block all of them

#

they were being the cancerous knuckles.

#

some are actually nice people

#

oh

#

they click teir tongue, I click the Block button

#

ehhh

#

i wouldnt instantly block them

#

some just do it as an actual joke

#

Some of them are really nice people tbh

#

i met one who had been raiding for 4 hours and was taking a break and said he absolutely hated doing it, but it was fun reguardless

#

my friends raid as different stuff

#

they seem to be into doing the whiteknight raiding atm

#

I hate it

lilac swan
#

Wait, he said he hated doing raids but it was fun? That just sounds so contradictory

vocal shard
#

no he hated being the knuckles

north axle
#

I remember a guy told Ugandans to stand dogether for a group pic, and while they were standing like that, he actually just blocked them.

lilac swan
#

Aah

vocal shard
#

there was this map that had a bunch of nazi stuff in it

#

so we raided uganda as nazi's

#

it didnt go over well :/

#

they ignored us

#

i believe the map got taken down too

#

that's usually how you get people who are raiding to leave

cosmic orbit
#

So! What do I do, if I can't connect to any servers the rest of you are on?

vocal shard
#

HAH

#

it is a server side thing

#

i was getting 13k ping

#

the best you can do is wait it out

#

Where do you live?

#

wisconsin

#

I haven't gone above 200

#

as zarni said

#

it could be some randomass routing for a few people

#

ah

#

hopefully when my 1060 gets here i'll be able to use blender properly again

fair gulch
#

question why is it any time i log in theres absultly no one on

vocal shard
#

did you make sure to update yur game?

lilac swan
#

Make sure you join an instance with people in it

vocal shard
#

that too

#

and not one of the almost overflowing ones

fair gulch
#

how do i check for an update

vocal shard
#

close steam entirely and reopen

lilac swan
#

For whatever reason when I go to a public world, if I just click "go" I would enter a seperate instance. I need to make sure to select a populated instance and then join it.

fair gulch
#

ive done that meny times

vocal shard
#

server joining is kinda borked

fair gulch
#

ive tried a lot of rooms and all empty

lilac swan
#

Make sure you are on build 487

vocal shard
#

i kinda wish vrchat had something similar to the discord status thing

lilac swan
#

You can see that in the quick menu ingame

vocal shard
#

where you could watch the server/api statuses and everything

lilac swan
#

Make a post about that on the canny. There is a link in the channel description in #feature-requests

coarse blaze
#

I thought I'd never block a person

#

But there was this one knuckles t-pose avatar that was basically the size of the world

#

And blocking it felt so good

#

Otherwise I just mute the obnoxious ones (usually, the ones with soundboards)

#

As for knuckles, I just ignore them

lilac swan
#

Muting and blocking is there to be used

coarse blaze
#

I feel bad blocking people

#

But that guy asked for it

lilac swan
#

I don't typically block, however if I'm in a poor mood and I cannot be bothered being namecalled then off they go

coarse blaze
#

I legit didn't want to block a single person

vocal shard
#

i couldnt put a post in canny but i did put it in the feature request

coarse blaze
#

Muting is fine, they'll find a way to get my attention if they need it

fair gulch
#

now is it next to the word version ?

vocal shard
#

nvm i found it

steel gate
#

Anyone tried doing Winter Ooka Miko skin?

#

Avatar*

fair gulch
#

duskitty is it the one next to version ?

neat rose
#

Why I block people :
1/ Gigantic model
2/ Laggy model
2/ Seizure inducing animations
3/ Micspam

long venture
#

Why I block people
1: they are people

coarse blaze
#

๐Ÿค”

vital rune
#

Why I block people

#
  1. if they're people who still think the Ugandan Knuckles meme is still funny
#
  1. annoying pricks
vocal shard
#

4.good guys

long venture
#
  1. They don't speak English
vital rune
#

my brain cells are just

final fulcrum
#
  1. traps
vital rune
#

literally gone

lapis nebula
#

I block Ugandan Knuckles instantly and any Ear Rape, such as those who run around playing annoying Russian music

willow tide
#

Blocking traps??

warped dew
#

I stomp on them with my larger avatars

tulip onyx
#

killmekillmekillmekillme-

warped dew
#

Like Imperialdramon, MegaGargomon, Shoutmon X3 and Omnimon

rain rapids
#

If we block traps here am I blocked then

shadow prism
#

Are those player names or new Godzilla monsters?

tulip onyx
#

WELP

lofty quest
#

Why I block?

  • Micspam
  • Uganda Kid GWnonexMaikaSmug

What I chase?

  • Loli
  • Girl
#

GWnonexMaikaSmug Yesss I love cute girl

fiery rune
#

anyone know how to get a dds file working as a texture? it doesnt work for some of mine and when i convert to another format some parts turn blue (from gold) and it goes transparent when i add a shader

crystal epoch
#

I bet that people who own a Vive will recommend Vive and people who own Oculus will recommend Oculus. But if you had both what would you recommend?

vocal shard
#

both? ๐Ÿค”

crystal epoch
#

Yes

#

But seriously statistically speaking what one would be better? Like if you remove all bias.

vocal shard
#

You have money=Vive
Budget=Oculus
Source: here

#

Vive

lilac swan
#

The long term game is definitely Vive, due to it being part of the SteamVR ecosystem

willow tide
#

Iโ€™ve heard that they offer the same mostly, but vive relies more on space

crystal epoch
#

I can save up... But I don't like the Vive controller it looks bulky and uncomfortable.

lilac swan
#

Meaning in the future when new headsets come out (LG, Pimax, Vive Pro to name a few..) or even controllers made by other companies, you can simply pick and choose which ones you want

#

Oculus has their own semi-closed garden and, well, doesn't really seem to have much plans long-term

willow tide
#

And vive remote charge times are a pain

crystal epoch
#

I see, I wish that the headset it self would take some processing off the PC I know mine is VR compatible but still don't want to over work it.

#

@willow tide I will run wires down my sleeves if I have to!

lilac swan
#

If you want a short term solution then oculus is the best choice

willow tide
#

Iโ€™ve seen a guy sit in the pug with his hands out in his charger while he sat stationary...

lilac swan
#

Meaning when new VR gear comes out, you probably have to "rebuy" everything again instead of upgrading components like with the vive

willow tide
#

That makes little sense, but ok...

lilac swan
#

Oculus is not a modular system, unlike the vive (or rather SteamVR to be precise). It makes sense to me to assume that in my view

crystal epoch
#

Sounds like Vive is a worth investing into then. Also was it the Vive or the Oculus that needed separate headphones?

sacred mantle
#

Vive

lilac swan
#

Vive does not come with the deluxe headstrap by default, unless it's a special package

crystal epoch
#

I kinda like that because I'm super picky about headphones.

lilac swan
#

That is the major downside with vive imo

#

That it's not included

sacred mantle
#

I'm getting Oculus because it has headphones and microphone integrated

crystal epoch
#

So I have no problem just using my own.

soft skiff
#

one thing I do like about the CV1, the headphones are quality

worldly comet
#

you can remove the headphones from the oculus and use your own

#

and yeah, the headphones on the oculus are really good

crystal epoch
#

Vive Pro has built in mic and headphones.

lilac swan
#

If you can deal with the default vive headstrap then using your own headphones is not an issue at all

sacred mantle
#

Is Vive Pro out yet?

lilac swan
#

Regular vive has built in mic

soft skiff
#

No

vocal shard
#

Not yet

lilac swan
#

Vive pro supposedly has dual mics, but I don't know much about that

sacred mantle
#

It's gonna be more than the normal Vive I'm guessing

soft skiff
lilac swan
#

HTC has said there will be a HMD only option for the vive pro

#

depending on how much then I'll upgrade to it

sacred mantle
#

Any release date yet?

lilac swan
#

Not that I know of

#

The increased resolution seems very appealing

#

Also stereo front cameras is neat to me

sacred mantle
#

Well Oculus Rift is good enough for what I need

#

So im good there lul

lilac swan
#

I use the front camera religiously on my vive

crystal epoch
#

I'm the kind of gal who plays games windowed and doesn't even care. So resolution is not an issue.

lilac swan
#

In VR it's an entire different ballpark

crystal epoch
#

I actually play VRChat windowed lol.

sacred mantle
#

Same

soft skiff
#

my HP WMR headset gets here today

sacred mantle
#

I heard Oculus controller's batteries long really long

soft skiff
#

I'm looking forward to seeing how it stacks up

sacred mantle
#

Do an unboxing video lol

lilac swan
#

It's the difference between using your glasses or not when having poor vision

soft skiff
#

No

lilac swan
#

Not just screensize on a flat screen

tribal niche
#

Good luck @soft skiff

#

Where'd you get it from

soft skiff
#

Amazon , for 215 USD

vocal shard
#

My glasses are a pain with the Oculus

tribal niche
#

Same

#

Mine didn't work

sacred mantle
#

I use contacts

crystal epoch
#

I wear glasses irl already sooo

tribal niche
#

I have to return it

worldly comet
#

@sacred mantle yes, they last a long time and when they eventually do run out you can just throw in a new pair (each controller take 1 AA battery)

lilac swan
#

Vive is better for glasses users aswell. Vive pro supposedly even more so

vocal shard
#

I can't afford a vive ;_;

crystal epoch
#

Inb4 Zarni works at Valve.

soft skiff
#

ok

lilac swan
#

I wish

soft skiff
#

I'm up way too late building in webvr

vocal shard
#

My pc isn't good enough and I got very little space

soft skiff
#

time for bed

tribal niche
#

Idk I'll either get an exchange for a working wmr or I'll save up the rift and then wait for a price drop

vocal shard
#

Thats why I went with the Oculus

lilac swan
#

I'd kill for those steamVR knuckle controllers

vocal shard
#

Me too

tribal niche
#

Ikr

sacred mantle
#

Yeah, me too, I got little play area so Oculus is more worth it for me

vague ice
#

im holding out for gen 2 vive, had rift since release and don't regret it a bit but vive is progressing so much more lately

tribal niche
#

I want Hans presence tech

#

Hand

#

Lol Hans get the lugee

crystal epoch
#

@lilac swan who would you kill?

soft skiff
#

what you want is the Noitom Hi5

lilac swan
#

Let me think for a while

sacred mantle
#

Kill a knuckle for a knuckle?

vocal shard
crystal epoch
#

Some peoples avatars set off my cringe-o-meter, I get scared. :(

tribal niche
#

Oh sweet

#

How much does the noitrom cost

vocal shard
#

Cringe-o-meter?

crystal epoch
#

Yes lol

vocal shard
#

What is that

tribal niche
#

A metaphor

coarse blaze
#

Uhh

#

^

crystal epoch
#

It means it's hard for me to talk with people with non-human / anime characters not sure why.

fiery rune
#

help how do i export an image as png in blender

tribal niche
#

Screenshot

sacred mantle
#

Weeaboo?

crystal epoch
#

Well it's hard for me to talk to people in general.

tribal niche
#

Ikr

#

Otaku life

vocal shard
#

Oh

crystal epoch
#

Also... Having a clear guy voice yet wanting to pass in-game without sounding like some dick who's mocking a girls voice. What would you do? (voice changer + whisper?)

tribal niche
#

The terrible part is that the vr headset wouldn't even turn on like I couldn't even experience anything at all

#

O

#

I use VAC

vocal shard
#

I don't speak ingame

tribal niche
#

To boost man's not hot

crystal epoch
#

VAC?

#

Valve Anti Cheat?

coarse blaze
#

@crystal epoch I have a few avatars that have faces that can make you cringe

vocal shard
#

Mostly because of my personal issues, I've become a almost mute irl and ingame

#

:/

tribal niche
#

Virtual audio cable, I can connect it to audacity and set the output to a virtual cable and then set that virtual cable as my mic in Vrchat

coarse blaze
#

For some reason I have no trouble talking to people at all

crystal epoch
#

Audacity can be used as a live voice changer?

#

Since when?

tribal niche
#

Cuz

#

I play music through it

#

And set the output as line 1

coarse blaze
#

But I mean, one question

lilac swan
#

@crystal epoch I've decided.

tribal niche
#

Which is also my mic set in vrc

coarse blaze
#

Why play a social game if you're not being yourself

willow tide
#

How to become a trap 101

vocal shard
#

๐Ÿค”

tribal niche
#

So u can grab dem animรฉ tits

sacred mantle
#

^

fiery rune
#

why did my dds file for the hair work but no other dds file did

tribal niche
#

That's the only reason for vr

coarse blaze
#

Said that while you have astolfo pic

#

๐Ÿค”

neat rose
#

roleplay ?

willow tide
#

Yeah, #BoysMakeBetterGirls

coarse blaze
#

No

crystal epoch
#

I'm trans... So I am being myself. I just happen not to believe in any of those surgeries or drugs etc...

coarse blaze
#

#trapsaregay

tribal niche
#

Lol

vocal shard
#

I play VRChat because I don't feel so cripplingly lonely there

tribal niche
#

Ikr

coarse blaze
#

Who tf thumbed down

tribal niche
#

OK bye school bus is here

sacred mantle
#

When you get your first friend on VRchat

willow tide
#

Lol

coarse blaze
#

No, but like

#

Social games are for socialising

#

And memeing

crystal epoch
#

@lilac swan ?

coarse blaze
#

Not running around with voice changer and not interacting at all

lilac swan
#

VR Pill must go

sacred mantle
#

Or screaming and screeching

crystal epoch
#

:O

lilac swan
#

For my knuckles controllers

fiery rune
coarse blaze
#

And social games should be 13+ or 16+, idk

willow tide
#

Oh noes, start of a revolution?

vocal shard
#

Isn't VRChat 13+

crystal epoch
#

I'd interact more with voice mods then without lol.

lilac swan
#

VRchat is indeed 13+

vocal shard
#

Yea thats what I thought

coarse blaze
#

But why @crystal epoch

#

Oh it is?

#

I mean, I found a friend girl with VR who was 12

crystal epoch
#

I said why already...

coarse blaze
#

But she was a million times mature than those knuckles

#

Did you?

crystal epoch
#

Yup.

coarse blaze
#

All I recall is that you mentioned you're trans

lilac swan
#

Age doesn't nessecarily mean how mature you act

coarse blaze
#

And that almost set me off, lol

#

Well, I mean

#

It kind of does

inner idol
#

Indeed.

willow tide
#

Itโ€™s 2018 muh dood, arguments over gender were 2016-2017

coarse blaze
#

Wait, doesn't necessarily, didn't see the key word, mb

crystal epoch
#

I mean I don't like people hearing my real voice and that's why I usually stick to text chat. However we don't have text chat here...

coarse blaze
#

Yeah, I hate people who aren't in their own gender and I don't want to get banned for that, lol

#

It's rare seeing young people act mature, though

lilac swan
neat rose
#

so much for tolerance

crystal epoch
#

But you know wanting to pass is very common in our community and in VRChat I'm given that opportunity without having to ruin my body with drugs etc...

vocal shard
#

i hate it when people still assume i sound like a kid from my voice
even if im told them my age n shit

#

smh

coarse blaze
#

I mean, voice makes up the most impression

sacred mantle
#

They assume gender so much on VRchat lmao

coarse blaze
#

Fiest impression

#

First*

crystal epoch
#

Mhmm

coarse blaze
#

I always assume, is there a problem? :>

neat rose
#

who cares about gender it's a game

coarse blaze
#

^

sacred mantle
#

Yeah, there are traps, who cares

crystal epoch
#

@lilac swan I like how they say that they are compatible with League of Legends a game that has no voice chat...

sacred mantle
#

inb4 VRchat turns into a Dating VR

vocal shard
#

I think i got harrassed by someone because they wanted to know if I was a trap or not

#

gg

#

They asked for pictures

lilac swan
#

I read their description and

Minecraft (troll like a boss)
``` ๐Ÿ˜ฉ
vocal shard
#

And I'm sure they were over 18 and I'm not

sacred mantle
#

Pedos?

lilac swan
#

Despite the cringe, it is a decent voice changer

vocal shard
#

Who knows @sacred mantle

sacred mantle
#

I mean

crystal epoch
#

Minecraft doesn't have voice either lol.

sacred mantle
#

VRchat is a perfect place for pedos lmao

coarse blaze
#

@sacred mantle I'd play that

#

Don't have anything to lose either way

crystal epoch
#

I hope it's not just a pitch shift I can use clownfish for that...

sacred mantle
#

Tbh, that's why I'm getting VR

coarse blaze
#

Show lolis the love they deserve

sacred mantle
#

SO I can touch them lolis

vocal shard
#

what about a reverse loli? ๐Ÿค”

coarse blaze
#

I already got molested even when I don't have a loli ๐Ÿค”

sacred mantle
#

All lolis deserve love

coarse blaze
#

Define reverse loli

vocal shard
#

pls
i need the love

light ivy
#

So like old woman?

ivory shoal
#

Reverse loli? Old woman?

lilac swan
#

@coarse blaze Do not joke about molestation.

tepid raptor
vocal shard
#

nono females soundling like males

#

n stuff

coarse blaze
#

U meant reverse traps

vocal shard
#

yeah

coarse blaze
#

And boys are shota

crystal epoch
#

@tepid raptor ADORABLE

coarse blaze
#

@lilac swan aw come on

#

Party pooper :<

lilac swan
#

I'm being serious.

vocal shard
#

i mean old ladies thing

sacred mantle
#

So how many of you guys have Vive?

vocal shard
#

could happen

coarse blaze
#

Why tho

lilac swan
#

This is not up for debate

crystal epoch
#

@lilac swan I hope it's not just pitch shift I'm going to be so mad if it is lol.

coarse blaze
#

I never understood the reason people disallow such stuff

lilac swan
#

@crystal epoch I don't think it is

light ivy
#

Guys calm it lol

sacred mantle
#

Are we getting into dark humour?

light ivy
#

No lol

coarse blaze
#

I mean, I live on it

crystal epoch
#

Will try it out then.

coarse blaze
#

๐Ÿค”

north axle
#

Can someone tell me if anything special has been going on in VRChat during this week?

coarse blaze
#

Hackers, russians and germans

#

All over the place

sacred mantle
#

And french

tepid raptor
#

don't forget all the englishmen as well

crystal epoch
#

If not I'll just use my normal voice with a pitch shift and hopefully not die from social anxiety lol.

coarse blaze
#

Haven't heard the french yet

sacred mantle
#

and spanish lmao

neat rose
#

๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท

vocal shard
#

and dick avatars

#

i guess

neat rose
#

๐Ÿฅ–

tepid raptor
#

have you seen the wobbly ones? XD

coarse blaze
#

No srsly, I'm concerned about where you go

vocal shard
#

i usually hang out in the public lobbys

#

they come

coarse blaze
#

I do too, but I haven't met that kind of stuff

sacred mantle
#

The great pug is a scary place

vocal shard
#

^

coarse blaze
#

Then again, I don't think they go to less crowded places

sacred mantle
#

There was an avatar that was shiny af

light ivy
#

Wait theres a wobbly ones raid now?

coarse blaze
#

I visit mostly Gaia Night, the nightclub and penthouse so yeah

sacred mantle
#

I almost went blind

coarse blaze
#

Pug is too big for me

tepid raptor
#

don't worry, you'll eventually run into one once more ppl start doing it

sacred mantle
#

^

light ivy
#

Pug lags me out usually

lilac swan
#

Please hang out in Zarniwoop's avatar dungeon. It's been going down the popular list. ๐Ÿ˜ฐ

shadow wraith
#

Hey guys, i've been having troubles with VRchat using a VR

sacred mantle
#

I always hang out in pug

shadow wraith
#

wondering if you lot knew how to help

light ivy
#

You make avatars @lilac swan?

sacred mantle
#

what vr you using

shadow wraith
#

oculus touch

ivory shoal
#

@lilac swan RIP

lilac swan
#

I do

vocal shard
#

rip

crystal epoch
#

@lilac swan With a name like that I'm kinda scared to go there lol.

vocal shard
#

its a dungeon

coarse blaze
#

Meh

light ivy
#

Ill be sure to visit that later today when I play

coarse blaze
#

I hope I do

lilac swan
#

Rumors say lost players' get turned into avatar pedestals... ๐Ÿ‘€

tepid raptor
#

are the models any good anyway?

ivory shoal
#

Oh my.

shadow wraith
#

like sometimes i can see my avatar but not always and i can't see some peoples avatar and only their username tag ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

light ivy
#

Haha then you can have a felix avatar if i get lost

ivory shoal
#

I wouldn't wanna get lost in there then.

crystal epoch
#

Well a dungeon isn't exactly a welcoming or fun place afaik.

lilac swan
#

Well, I have close to zero anime girls avatars, so that's my selling point.

coarse blaze
#

Dungeon is the best place

lilac swan
#

Which is probably why it's not as popular...

sacred mantle
#

Boooo

coarse blaze
#

:>

tepid raptor
#

add a loli

#

all the degens will rush in

sacred mantle
#

Lolis are what ruling VRchat#

coarse blaze
#

Or just a really cute avatar

#

An anime girl, of course

lilac swan
#

The day I add anime girls and lolis is the day I hate myself

crystal epoch
#

Have an avatar that's called "steal any avatar" and its just a mirror.

lilac swan
#

I do have two anime girls

coarse blaze
#

Don't you?

crystal epoch
#

Do it for the memes! You must do it!

tepid raptor
#

add a unique Knuckles... then it will be very popular

sacred mantle
#

why

#

just

#

why

lilac swan
#

I did move one of my most popular avatars to a much harder to reach spot when I updated it, just to piss people off

vital rune
#

no

#

do a normal Knuckles

lilac swan
#

No knuckles ever

vital rune
#

and have the idiots spit on you

coarse blaze
#

No

tepid raptor
#

hha

vital rune
#

because muh normal knuckles < meme knuckles

crystal epoch
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Add a model of the Vive Knuckles lol

sacred mantle
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Is there a model of gaben yet?

tepid raptor
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lol

light ivy
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There was a knuckles that was basically a sun that floated up to the sky on gaia nights

crystal epoch
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I think there is one on the asset store

light ivy
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Lit up everything

lilac swan
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I have been playing with the idea of randomly spawn an avatar pedestal in one of few select places when an instance is generated

light ivy
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Can you do that?

vocal shard
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I want some weeping angels

crystal epoch
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@lilac swan Can you have an avatar that's an avatar pedestal?

lilac swan
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There is a randomizer function, so yes

tepid raptor
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uhh

lilac swan
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I guess I can

light ivy
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Yeah put the weirder ones on random haha

lilac swan
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Or have the pedestal randomly teleport when someone interacts with it

sacred mantle
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What is this? A troll dungeon?

crystal epoch
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Have it play the "no" voice clip from HL2

lilac swan
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My avatar world is one of the few ones you have to work to get access to the avatars

celest mauve
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anyone here a warhammer 40k fan?

lilac swan
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Though it's only needed to do once per instance

crystal epoch
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Is it like the Hotel California?

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You can come back any time you like, but you can never leave?

lilac swan
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๐Ÿ˜‰

karmic pelican
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:ArtsyThumbs:

crystal epoch
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What if one day VR Pill removes the log out and exit buttons?

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SAO all over again.

vocal shard
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Alt + F4

lilac swan
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If you appreciate calm places, then I suggest you enter the mirror room in my dungeon also and enter the portal in there

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Got a not-so-hidden private world there

crystal epoch
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I dunno I kinda want to find that room from Portal where all the robots scream at you.

vocal shard
sacred mantle
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Anyone know where I can find penguin avatar?

vital rune
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@crystal epoch nah boi

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I have my trusty alt+tab and task manager

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on my side

crystal epoch
vital rune
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and a couple of PPSH rounds

crystal epoch
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@lilac swan I think the pepe ban is unjust since if you actually read the hate symbols database it's not the meme itself it was the perversion of the meme by internet users who have modified it to be racist and or offensive in another way.

vocal shard
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Rip

lilac swan
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I personally don't agree with the ban, but that's how it is.

upper cedar
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I diddnt use a pepe I used a monkaS

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Y u delete

vital rune
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ORC VECTOR or riot

crystal epoch
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I find pepe kinda cute to be honest.

upper cedar
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Oi Zarni whatโ€™s your world called?

safe yacht
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Hows everyone doing anyway?

crystal epoch
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Here's a psyduck

upper cedar
lilac swan
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Which one? The avatar dungeon?

upper cedar
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Oh thatโ€™s your world?

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Oh dang nice

crystal epoch
vital rune
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doing Kotori now

crystal epoch
safe yacht
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How do you get other emojis for Discord?

vocal shard
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Discord Nitro

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For only... $5 I think in dollarydoos

safe yacht
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I need a Kanna emote in my life.

vocal shard
safe yacht
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YOu taunt me with your Kanna's

lilac swan
vocal shard
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If you do get nitro, I'll link you a Kanna emote den.

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A server dedicated to Kanna emotes.

safe yacht
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Yeah I was gonna ask

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Hrm, 5 bucks a month for emotes? Not sure.

vocal shard
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I joined a lot of servers that's only for emotes--

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It's worth it, get the Kanna emotes.

safe yacht
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I'm trying to cut down on my monthly costs.

vocal shard
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Then it's not worth.

sacred mantle
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You're not worth Kanna

vocal shard
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Oh yeah, or join those with global emotes.

safe yacht
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You dont need Nitro?

vocal shard
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Iirc, there are some servers that allows you to use their emotes in other servers without needing for Nitro.

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@vocal shard which was is the Kanna gun

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Whet

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I didn't get what you just said.

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Yess

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I still have no idea what you said earlier but ok

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What server it was in

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Oh, give me a sec.

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I have it already

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Owh

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Kek

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Could still grab some more in there.

safe yacht
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how do you even find these servers?

vocal shard
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Uh.. Google.

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Or get invited by someone else from discord.

safe yacht
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I'm having trouble finding any

vocal shard
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Search for "Discord Global Emote Servers"

tired sphinx
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Is there like a site where people steal avatars and sells them?

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Just got my shit stolen, now I'm being told they're going to sell it lmao

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Don't know how they'd go about doing that, it has a shader on it but besides that it's very bland and not worth paying for

safe yacht
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Screenshot, send log.

vocal shard
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Those that steals avatars can't really do much to your avatar.

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The procedure is
Get copied avatar's blueprint ID (manage uploaded content)
Make new avatar that's just a cube or something worthless
attach that blueprint ID to the cube (via pipeline manager)
Upload
Detach ID from proper avatar, upload (it'll generate a new ID)
Done!```
safe yacht
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Yeah I dont think they could do anything.

tired sphinx
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lol nice, I'll just make it a cube then

lean mortar
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:GWnkeFeelsGood:

lyric nebula
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hacking still not solved eh :(((

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I wanna run around in public again fffff

safe yacht
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It's been reduced.

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So now only the most dedicated script kiddies are still doing it.

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The rest were doing it before because it was so easy.

vital rune
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then again

vocal shard
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But then ban_hammer came.

vital rune
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if you steal an avatar that doesnt even look like it was made in effort

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lmfao