vrchat-general-2

[vital rune]

this makes me want to avoid playing it for a while

[simple venture]

?

[vital rune]

having VRChat literally hogging your harddrive space

[vocal shard]

That why you need a 2TB HD

[leaden kiln]

I'm not buying a 2tb ssd

[oblique gyro]

my SSD is a 120gb drive, I try and never install game stuff to it but you can't move the appdata folder to an HDD

if it saved it in the install location

I would be fine

but instead I am now at 2.5GB remaining on my SSD

[leaden kiln]

I should check mine

10gb left

[oblique gyro]

like besides the OS VRChat is using more space than any single other thing on my SSD

[lilac swan]

There is a somewhat well upvoted post on the canny to not use appdata to store the cache. Please do seek it out and upvoted it

[oblique gyro]

will do

and will post it to all my friends from VRchat

becuase that is ridiculous

[vital rune]

this is just as absurd as Creation Club hogging your harddrive

[vocal shard]

Let's all go on strike and never play VR chat again because of this! /s

[lilac swan]

I'm getting my refund

[vocal shard]

Remember that VR chat is an EARLY ACCES FREE ALPHA STATE game.

[soft skiff]

I wonder how bad windows would freak out if you simlinked \appdata from the SSD over to spinning rust.

[vital rune]

just because its early access

it doesnt mean its free of criticism

[lilac swan]

Also reminder that the canny site is currently to best way to make your voice heard about new features and/or changes to VRchat

[rare fox]

Alpha state?

[vocal shard]

this makes me want to avoid playing it for a while

Critisism is always appreciated by everyone, but this isn't helpfull or anything that can benefit

[soft skiff]

WHY DOESN"T MY FREE GAME WORK PERFECTLY!!!

I AM GOING TO GO COMPLAIN ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND REDDIT

[oblique gyro]

or uninstall

cuase i can't use it effectively

as it lowered my ssd space to the point that i can't update Oculus

[vocal shard]

!cleancache

[floral flax]

You can clean cache by deleting the vrchat folder within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat

[oblique gyro]

yeah but doing that repeatedly is annoying and something I don't want to bother with constantly

[soft skiff]

dude

write a cron

[lilac swan]

Unfortunately you will have to manually clean the cache once in a while or use a symlink to move it to a different drive

[soft skiff]

or as windows calls them, 'scheduled task'

[lilac swan]

But the annoyance of the cache location is very much known to the team, that is for sure

[shy nest]

ok nani, 23.8gb for vrchat i dont remember downloading this much stuff

guess ill give it a clean

[soft skiff]

I saw this episode of Silicon Valley

[oblique gyro]

so a hard link won't mess shit up?

[soft skiff]

they're using your systems as offsite distributed storage

[vocal shard]

TBH, playing vr chat and your HDD being clogged isn't such a strange idea

since you're basically downloading every world/character/particle

[oblique gyro]

the issue isn't it being my HDD

[leaden kiln]

on slower connections is absolutely needed

[oblique gyro]

the issue is it is doing it to my SSD which I didn't install it to

[leaden kiln]

yeah

[vocal shard]

0h

[leaden kiln]

it's probably about time to upgrade the old 120 though

[vocal shard]

Not really VR chat related, but i'm putting my headset's bass to it's limits

[vital rune]

also appdata?

saved in C?

[leaden kiln]

It's been going for about 8 and a half years

[lucid hamlet]

What they need is an option that lets you select if you flush the cache every time you close or not, depending on how carp your internet is

[soft skiff]

fuck

that reminds me

I bought a refurb headset from Corsair and haven't even taken it out of the box yet.

[lean mortar]

I'm so happy rn

[leaden kiln]

Corsairs are pretty nice. I like mine.

[lean mortar]

Huge progress on the shipping of my wmr headset

[soft skiff]

@leaden kiln Did you see what I had to do to the Corsair case I was using for a build yesterday?

[leaden kiln]

Heh, yeah

I still run an old CMStacker case

[soft skiff]

it's surprisingly not burst into flames yet, so I guess we're good.

[leaden kiln]

lack of fire is good. Did you put water cooling in that? Probably isn't room for that

[soft skiff]

it came with a corsair closed loop cooler installed

the GPU is still running fans

[leaden kiln]

oh nice

[soft skiff]

although the case supposedly supports a hybrid card

[leaden kiln]

I don't think that will be a problem as long as there's airflow through the case

I've never heard my gpu fans kick into high gear

[soft skiff]

The 1080 FTW card I used I pulled out of one of our Air 240 cases so i could pop it into the Bulldog

and it actually runs cooler in the smaller case, best I can figure is the airflow path is better

[leaden kiln]

that and there's no radiant heat from the cpu with that setup

and only one drive, right?

[soft skiff]

two drives, the NVMe on the bottom of the motherboard and a SSD in a tray

[leaden kiln]

no heat from those

[soft skiff]

https://imgur.com/a/LE3Or

that's the folder with the raw images of the build

[leaden kiln]

that mb is so tiny

it's barely twice the size of my heatsink

[stable zodiac]

What is stored in the cache? Downloaded worlds?

I'm at 11GB 😮

[vital rune]

everything

from avatars to worlds to particle effectsz

[primal lance]

Any RP groups that anyone would recommend?

[soft skiff]

It's smaller than even the ITX EVGA boards I use in our Air 240 builds - https://i.imgur.com/ximgOMU.jpg

[trail pebble]

loli pc build

😉

[vocal shard]

Hot

[lapis nebula]

Morning all

[vocal shard]

Morning

[trail pebble]

gmornin

[lapis nebula]

Yet another miserable day here in good ole blighty

[trail pebble]

ice raining like crazy here in east coast canada. Schools out. works out and daycare is out. roads are disaster . hopefully power stays on. :x

that said. just checked out Hogwarts world in vrchat. wowzer its huge and cool

[vital rune]

also

gotta love how audio tends to glitch outy

[leaden kiln]

they're trying to figure out the audio problem

[vital rune]

VECTOR from Operation Raccoon City investigates the Ugandan Knuckles world

"this is worse than the T-Virus"

[trail pebble]

Better notify Umbrella to send the nukes. It could spread.

[vital rune]

alt. universe where Wolfpack reported the infestation

US government be like

"fuck this shit let's redirect our nukes to them"

and RE4's intro narration script was changed

[trail pebble]

it all makes sense now. knuckles are looking for the Red queen!

[vital rune]

Resident Evil 5: The Invasion of Ugandan Knuckles

BSAA and Umbrella tried to supress the invasion

also holy shit

I saw another stalkan avatar

[leaden kiln]

They failed https://i.imgur.com/0xAEGhL.png

[vital rune]

complete with a Desert Eagle and a Artifact Detector

and geiger counter SFX

[shadow prism]

Morning children

[vocal shard]

Shh

[lucid hamlet]

Ive got a question, do people you blocked still see you? or get any indication you blocked them?

[leaden kiln]

no

[obsidian lantern]

So a guy named DIMA142 just looked at me and copied my avatar out of nowhere ?? This avatar is my own, are there hackers or something ?

[lucid hamlet]

Hah, so i probably got 20 knuckles constantly following me trying to spit on me

@obsidian lantern Yes it is an known problem that the team is trying to work on

[leaden kiln]

@obsidian lantern Yes, report to #moderation-reports

go to unity, manage uploaded content, delete the avatar that was cloned by the hacker. Detach your avatar ID on your model and reupload it to generate a new ID. Then the hacker will lose access to your avatar and you'll still have it.

[lucid hamlet]

I always thought the hack didnt let you keep it beyond a restart of the app @leaden kiln

[candid marsh]

Yeah, isn't it functionally utilizing you as an avatar pedestal, which is how they do it?

[leaden kiln]

I dunno, those guys always have dozens of avatars

[lucid hamlet]

I mean if you are skilled enough to quickly delete, detach and upload i guess it doesnt hurt

[leaden kiln]

or you can detach, reupload, and then modify your original avatar with something insidious

they have it but you can still make changes to it

[solar mist]

If you attach like, a dozen flying dicks to it and they wander around with it, does it get you banned since you uploaded it, or get them banned since they're wearing it?

[shadow prism]

Make a cube with "I stole this" written on it

[leaden kiln]

@solar mist likely both, don't do that

stay within the community rules

they already have giant dick waving avatars they're using anyway

[solar mist]

I don't even have a VR headset, I just have had people ordering models from me for this lately so I hang around here to find out tips and tricks for stuff.

[leaden kiln]

But if you were to change the lighting effects so there was no way they could access their menu...

[lucid hamlet]

It may be possible to brand an account name as a sort of watermark onto the avatar, unless they themselves can change their username on the fly

[leaden kiln]

they can actually steal your name too

or they could before the update

I don't know how much was fixed

[shadow prism]

Rotate the avatar descriptor 90° down

[lucid hamlet]

Well shit... I suppose if i find someone who stole my AVI i might just update the avatar to loop TTS audio file stating 'im a thief, i stole this avatar' and put a special symbol before the name of it to make sure i dont use it

[shadow prism]

Spazzmatic polka

[leaden kiln]

better yet, make a sign above their head that says that, but they can't see it

[lucid hamlet]

@leaden kiln It will show in the avatar render though when selecting it if its added to their library

[leaden kiln]

like those avatars with "It's a Trap" signs

right, hmm

does it always show the whole avatar though?

[lucid hamlet]

From head to toe AFAIK

[leaden kiln]

And if the sign is two feet above the head?

or 5

[solar mist]

So stick a random piece of geometry as far out as possible so it's framed and the avatar appears invisible on the library page maybe?

[candid marsh]

Traps with dynamic bones

You know which bones I mean

[leaden kiln]

the only one that matters

[candid marsh]

How long before the custom furries start showing up, you think

[leaden kiln]

too late

[candid marsh]

there's not really that many of them

[lucid hamlet]

Or maybe a spinning image stored inside the torso that is litterally your digitized stamp, so anyone could peek in the torso to see if it was a personal avatar of someones

@sand sierra I have someone making mine. Im a Jolly santa shaped sergal :T (Sorry for the wrong tag there)

[candid marsh]

of course

Wrong dragon by the way

[lucid hamlet]

Whoops

[candid marsh]

o

nevermind

there's like

twelve

Easy error

[shadow prism]

@candid marsh so if I defeat all 12 of you, do I get a awesome summon or some kind of superpower

[candid marsh]

No

you get aids

The bad kind

[shadow prism]

Damn

[solar mist]

Tag in the torso is a pretty good idea, actually. dunno how many people would bother looking though.

[candid marsh]

if your model has internal faces

you could just watermark the inside of the texture

[vocal shard]

Does anyone have an issue with videos in vr chat? all I see are white screens for videos but I can see screenshots just fine

[leaden kiln]

I think those are broken at the moment

[vocal shard]

because Im with friends and they see it just fine

[shadow prism]

Been broke for a while

[leaden kiln]

I dunno, they haven't been working for me either

[vocal shard]

hmmm.....

[lucid hamlet]

I think im going to start a tally of how many ugandan knuckles i shut down

By shut down i of course mean block

[vocal shard]

Because for me its kind of irritating

[candid marsh]

we need modelblock

more than ever

[lucid hamlet]

Whats that

[frigid badger]

Problem with that is it's easy to make many types of uganda models

[safe yacht]

Just block peopel and you'll never see them again.

[lucid hamlet]

But what do you do when people bandwagon a single massively annoying avatar

[frigid badger]

It depends from person to person. The question is what can you do.

[lucid hamlet]

You either dump out of the world or Alt+f4 if you cant see the menu

Scratch that, you either block them in a series using social menu if you can see their names, hop out of the world if they are masked, or Alt f4 if you cant see jack shit

[frigid badger]

Sure. Personally I just turn on the mute everyone button and add people I want to talk to.

[vital rune]

I wanted to use meme Knuckles for fun

if only you could avoid people surrounding you cus muh ugandan memes

[lucid hamlet]

@frigid badger Im fine with select muting, ive gotten profficent in the use of the social menu

You could turn on personal space Metro

[obsidian lantern]

@leaden kiln How do you detach Avatar ID on a model ?

[solar mist]

Can always make your own unique knuckles

check out this sweet knuckles. He's made out of rock. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/145000612055089152/405671636810072064/unknown.png

[leaden kiln]

Ask in avatars. I'm at the watch tutorials at 4am stage.

[obsidian lantern]

Will do, thanks for the tips earlier 😉

[fervent bridge]

are they going to make it easier to add avatars?

[umbral latch]

does anyone have stuttering issues with vr chat in vr

[leaden kiln]

audio or video?

[umbral latch]

video

[leaden kiln]

I don't have vr yet

[vocal shard]

People have already made importing avatars easier using plugins

[half thicket]

@umbral latch in public worlds? yes it's quite common

[delicate stump]

usung oculus or vive slenderman?

[turbid agate]

i cant see my friends in the room when i join but others i can see 🤔

[hasty steppe]

https://twitter.com/_kzr/status/956106176848019459 this is quite neat, PS1-ish shader for unity, not sure if it would work in vrchat, would be interesting sight tho'.

[turbid agate]

if here is a link to it i could try

[hasty steppe]

err... github link in the tweet

[turbid agate]

oh ,that links to a image for me

oh now it links to twitter wtf

[hasty steppe]

the image is also in the github so twitter just takes the image from there

https://github.com/keijiro/Retro3DPipeline

[vocal shard]

👀

[turbid agate]

ugh, why cant i see my friends

worked yesterday

and vrchat crashed

welp

[half thicket]

@turbid agate did you restart steam already?

[turbid agate]

for what, i havent seen anything

[dim lantern]

So I only see soup...

[noble trout]

@other_mod we need a mod to ban HIPPYVETERAN0, he is spamming effects, using oversized models, and using nsfw models in public lobbies

[vocal shard]

Take a screenshot and report to #moderation-reports please.

[idle cipher]

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS

how do i insert image

[vocal shard]

In where? #vrchat-general-2?

[idle cipher]

two people out of no where mimic my avatar even with the animations

[vocal shard]

oh..

avatar stealers?

Oh, take screenshots of them and their names then report to #moderation-reports

[idle cipher]

yeha

i was in the middle of dancing until i saw a clone of me

[vocal shard]

Their real in game names, which you can see if you click in their character and go to details.

Are you sure they stole it and didn't just have the same model?

[idle cipher]

imposssible i've fully modified my avatar's animation including the idle and running

[vocal shard]

Then head straight to #moderation-reports

[idle cipher]

ok

[vital rune]

well

if your avatars are just as mediocre and shitty made as mine

[idle cipher]

i forgot to link the image here too https://imgur.com/a/4mxHd

[vital rune]

funny how nobody tried to steal my avatars yet

[vocal shard]

Where can I report people who steal avatars? Mine just got stolen and I have proof

#moderation-reports

with images of their names

n such

Yeah I got that

Pic of him ingame with my avatar

[crude whale]

hey so i wanted to start making my own character but i have no experience with that so far, is that to big of a goal for me right now ? should i try something easier to get into it?

[idle cipher]

grr is there anyway to prevent this

first time having someone stealing my avatar

[vocal shard]

you should try rigging characters first to have a good understanding of those
then learn 3d modeling, in which will take time for you to learn
then you can try making basic avatars
then if you think you have enough experience, you can head on towards more complicated models

[idle cipher]

the thing is i have no friends who plays vrchat

[crude whale]

thanks @vocal shard i guess ill start doing that then

[vocal shard]

ye there are loads of tutorials to help you

get started

[latent sorrel]

@idle cipher at least you have friends

[crude whale]

yes there are a lot i dont know wich one to take 😄

[vocal shard]

well just take a look at them lmao

[latent sorrel]

I use the ones that chan land has

[crude whale]

thanks for the help

[vocal shard]

👌

[leaden kiln]

video is up, finally

[vocal shard]

If I add a sign over the avatar that says "I stole this" and upload it again will it be on the stolen avatar as well?

I tried to go into public room yesterday. Left after 10sec.
Knuckles and cheaters everywhere.

Haha I'm gonna do that

Thats a good idea. Lol

[crude whale]

i only once had a problem with a dude teleporting me, but after that i never had problems with cheaters or someone that ripped off my friends skin, guess i was lucky

[idle cipher]

oh yeah those people who teleports the whole server into one spot, they're everywhere

[vocal shard]

with this situation publics will be dead soon 😛

well cheaters stealing each other avatars will remain i guess. In the end everone there will become knuckles, world will make circle, and we wil lreach nirvana

[sick gyro]

Honestly sucks most for new people who don’t have any connections of friends to join

[vocal shard]

yeah i know

[latent sorrel]

Cheaters

In vrchat

[sick gyro]

I enjoy my time world hopping in new worlds and occssionally meeting people that way

[vocal shard]

sadly i had to stop doing this, only joining on friendsi n restricted rooms atm :<

[sick gyro]

Since most of the action happens in more popular worlds

[crude whale]

i managed to install a addon yay

[sick gyro]

Also we like to call them script kiddies and not cheaters

[royal basin]

i'm having issues connecting to a friend's world

when i traced his location nobody's there

[crude whale]

it sometimes takes a while to update peoples location

happens to me all the time

maybe he is already somewhere else

[vocal shard]

Lol I updated the avatar and now it has the sign that says "stolen avatar" lol

do you just copy the id from your own avatar to the other avatar? then upload it?

🤔

[sick gyro]

🤔

[vocal shard]

[idle cipher]

gee i wonder if the problem will be fixed

[sick gyro]

I’d they can lock the ability to copy someone’s avatar id then that should resolve it

[vocal shard]

perhaps

[idle cipher]

should i be panicking

[sick gyro]

About the avatar issue?

[idle cipher]

yeah

[sick gyro]

No. Devs made it clear you won’t be banned if somebody impersonates you, they have a way of identify the IP of the offended if a valid enough report comes in.

And if you do get banned you can easily appeal it by emailing the moderation team

Something like that

Prob best to ask a mod

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard The procedure is
Get copied avatar's blueprint ID (manage uploaded content)
Make new avatar that's just a cube or something worthless
attach that blueprint ID to the cube (via pipeline manager)
Upload
Detach ID from proper avatar, upload (it'll generate a new ID)
Done!

[vocal shard]

ah thank you!

[vital rune]

although

it would be really ironic

if a hacker "stole" your avatar

but instead fixed it up for you

[idle cipher]

as if they would do that

[sick gyro]

The avatars are only available to them in vrchat

[vocal shard]

Copying that because I'm too lazy to type that everytime. Thanks, Gallium.

[vital rune]

because if your avatar was not even well-made and yet they stole it

they're just wasting their time

[tall monolith]

hello ladies and traps

[vocal shard]

hello cow

[tall monolith]

it is I, transgender cow

[idle cipher]

wait, can they also copy your avatar and publish it to their personal avatars ?

[tall monolith]

@vocal shard hello loli

[vocal shard]

🤔

[tall monolith]

@idle cipher if I was that famous, then why not

[rough pulsar]

@idle cipher Sort of. It's very easy to deal with. See the message I sent to Lolita Reishi just now.

[tall monolith]

well, I am actually that famous, but until now I saw no avatars that look like me

so this means I'm not famous

[rough pulsar]

@idle cipher Unless you lose the blueprint ID you still have some degree of control over the avatar data. And with that method you can, in a way, remotely wipe it. Or rather replace it with something else.

Exactly.

[idle cipher]

@rough pulsar so basically your avatar won't be stolen again if i do it? i'll try

[vocal shard]

upload giant male private parts instead of cube. huehuehue.

letssss not

[rough pulsar]

@idle cipher It can be copied again. This is for when one makes a copy and end up having it in their menu.

The VRchat team are working on sorting the whole thing out.

@vocal shard Not recommended, since it's still possible to trace the blueprint ID back to your user account.

[idle cipher]

oh ok! thank you

[vocal shard]

damnit

wait a second

why such tracing cannot be done on the fly then to detect stolen avatars passively in background?

detect -> autoban 😛

[eager ledge]

@rough pulsar Instead of uploading something new to the same ID, I heard that if you simply delete the avatar from your upload manager, it will also disappear for them. Then simply detach and reupload under new ID.

[sudden cloak]

Do you know da wae

[woeful jackal]

How do I report a dude with a huge donger avatar?

[polar elm]

[e-mail]

[vocal shard]

#moderation-reports

[merry nova]

dont know if I can ask here but I will anyways xD -- there is a world called safe haven, where there is an avatar that I would really like to have but I dont know who made it. Only thing I know is "pencil avatar" anyone know anything? 😃

[unkempt berry]

I love how steam is giving me an error and when i click reboot it says "rebooting vive"
i have an occulus you absolute muppet

[wary canyon]

hey guys, how do you hide usernames again?

[turbid agate]

ctrl + n

[wary canyon]

thank you

[turbid agate]

:3

[open karma]

How do you do that in VR?

[vocal shard]

You need to go to your keyboard and do it there.

No keybinds for that in VR controllers.

[pseudo anchor]

can anybody help me? i've been trying those days vrchat,but can't see anybody...even by restarting steam and getting the patch nothing happends

[knotty dew]

hello

[delicate merlin]

we have a newtype of hacker

fucking portal hackers

lagging out servers

[vocal shard]

Not really new, people been reporting those for a while now.

But do report them in #moderation-reports

[delicate merlin]

yeah

[surreal roost]

Is it a bug that random people can get into friends only map?

[knotty dew]

yes

sounds like it

[pallid river]

Hello, world upload is down ?

[earnest heath]

if anyone needs a friend, pm me. This game is so much better playing it with people. So if you are new or currently solo add me up and I'll show you the world. Dont worry, its not like I am in a weird club or anything 😉

[vocal shard]

ok

[worldly comet]

Dont worry, its not like I am in a weird club or anything

That's what someone who is in the weird club would say

[vital rune]

@earnest heath I was about to deploy the SWAT team if you said that meme phrase but thank god you didnt

[earnest heath]

lol, thank god. I was scared. It was a reference, there was this succubus club being advertised until some person reported the person for asking weird questions lol

it was like last week or something

it was pretty funny

[vital rune]

just thank god

you didnt say that phrase

[vocal shard]

succubus club, wtf

[dire palm]

is it illegal to use text to speech in vrchat?

[earnest heath]

ya, the wanted people to send them mp3s of them saying weird sexual stuff

its fine sygnomi go crazy

[vocal shard]

wow

[dire palm]

oh, thanks cause my mic doesnt work

[worldly comet]

no, it's not illegal to use text to speech

[earnest heath]

ya, they also wanted only girls but they only people in the group were guys with fake girl voices, just a bunch of creeps wanting girls to talk to. I did the application so I could find out all the info and post it inchat so no one would join

[spark fog]

omg it's so nice: https://imgur.com/a/GBPsj

[earnest heath]

what the cat girl?

[vocal shard]

satsuki, you gotta run

[earnest heath]

why?

I took one for the team

lol

[vocal shard]

😭

[spark fog]

the world i'm building.

[vocal shard]

your sacrifice will be remembered fam

[earnest heath]

yaya

[spark fog]

i'm learning to put youtube stuff in and mirrors

[earnest heath]

oh nice it looks good remmie 😄

[spark fog]

thanks 😄

[vocal shard]

looks good

[spark fog]

i'm just testing my limits right now so far too many trees creates lag >.<

lighting glitches with un-naturally tall mountains.

and that's iiiiit

i can't figure out how to make it possible to jump yet. >.<

[earnest heath]

free floating mirrors will also cause lag

[spark fog]

right that ones a giant cube with a mirror script on it

for some reason the mirror is in the cube's center and not on one of the faces.

and the cube becomes transparent

xD

[earnest heath]

lol\

[spark fog]

is there any way we can stick normal C# scripts onto objects to create automations or object paths.

I think that's a limitation right?

[worldly comet]

no, you're not allowed to use custom scripts

[spark fog]

yeah. is it a technical limitation or is it on purpose for security reasons?

[worldly comet]

they are adding Playmaker support later which you can use in your own worlds (as in not on avatars) though

[spark fog]

I only want it on worlds

[worldly comet]

and yes, it's for security reasons as it's hard for them to verify that custom scripts aren't malicious

[spark fog]

what are some ways a custom script could be malicious, when it executes from within vrchat are there any potentials for ROP or bypassing ASLR, or anything like gaining kernel level permissions on a target machine ? are there vulnerabilities?

(if it were to execute from within VrChat I mean)

or is it more just a precaution.

also just to be clear I think that the limitation is totally and 100% understandable and sane.

[shy rain]

No I use TTS on vr chat

[worldly comet]

The fact that you are able to write code means that you could, potentially, do things that are harmful. Escaping the sandbox of the VRChat client isn't impossible, though it may be tricky. I believe it's more of a precaution though rather than "this will definitely be exploited in this particular way".

[spark fog]

Right, so it's not so much like there's a very clear and easy way to escape sandbox.

[worldly comet]

Either way, since they are adding Playmaker support, you will be able to create your custom "scripts" via that

[spark fog]

just like. We don't want to risk it.

[worldly comet]

yeah

[spark fog]

I want to create a map with a 3d zepplin that's big enough to be it's own miniature map (the size of a 2d plane by default)

And I want it to be moving, and also hold players inside, with windows to look out of.

[shy rain]

Reason scripts are not liked on avatars is because griefers outdoor use it to attack people

[spark fog]

and when they spawn in I want them to spawn onto it (despite it always being on a path of movement in 3d)

[shy rain]

Opps

[worldly comet]

we're talking about world scripting though

[shy rain]

Ah

[spark fog]

Yeah i could care less about avatar scripting.

[lilac swan]

I would suggest moving the world instead of the zeppelin

[shy rain]

I guess mostly a limit with lag etc

[spark fog]

Moving the world would be so hard :/

[lilac swan]

More network performant and will be less headache to work with

[spark fog]

oh

Well would it even be possible?

moving the world might involve moving a ton of props

[lilac swan]

Of course

[spark fog]

ok you know, I want like npcs and stuf down there, trees, maybe cars on a highway going on a loop and de spawning at world's edge.

balloons, fireworks..

[shy rain]

You could move it all to one folder to move it together

[spark fog]

oh ok that makes sense..

[lilac swan]

Just parent everything non zeppelin to an empty and animate it

[spark fog]

might be weird. for like say some walking npcs

we can animate something on a path?

[worldly comet]

couldn't you also create the spawn point inside the zeppeline?

[spark fog]

already?

i want the spawn point inside the zepplin yus

[lilac swan]

Yes. Use unitys built in animator

[spark fog]

oh!!!

It's not a script?

[lilac swan]

No

[spark fog]

cool.

[shy rain]

Remake I guess it works like the dancing npcs at clubs

[spark fog]

can we do moving platforms that you stand on that way.

[shy rain]

Remmie

[lilac swan]

Look up "animation view"

[spark fog]

ok

found ont much

not much

[carmine stream]

Moving platforms with player characters on them can be difficult depending how the physics engine handles it. I’m not too familiar with unity to say for sure in that case though.

[shy rain]

The a mmd club on vr chat that has dancing npcs

[spark fog]

I want to make spinning cubes, that you hop across.

and other cool platforming challenges.

[worldly comet]

yeah, it can be difficult for players to stay ontop of moving objects, so having the zeppelin stationary and having the world moving is probably the best solution

[carmine stream]

Yeah

[spark fog]

oh okay.

so it's possible but might not allow them to stay on it in vrchat

[lilac swan]

IIRC ctrl + 6 brings up the animation window in unity

[worldly comet]

yeah

[spark fog]

hmm.

do we define a path over a timeline?

[lilac swan]

Also add a animation sync component to the animated object

[shy rain]

You are so brainy zarniwoop I bet you have a mad lab on vr chat

[lilac swan]

Via the animation view

I do have an avatar dungeon 👻

[carmine stream]

I have to ask

Is it a sexy dungeon?

[lilac swan]

Not at all

[carmine stream]

Dang

[spark fog]

can I just press record and rotate the object? on the timeline?

it doesn't seem to work

[shy rain]

Oh, the one with hidden avatars

[lilac swan]

Rumors say users who get lost in the dungeon appear as avatar pedestals

[shy rain]

No I don’t wanna be avatar pedestals

[carmine stream]

Ya know what that made me think of. How fun it could be to try and do D&D type stuff in vr chat

[vocal shard]

There are people that already do sessions of DnD.

[shy rain]

Tabletop in vrchat

[lilac swan]

Friends of mine do play DnD in VRchat

[carmine stream]

That’s awesome

[lilac swan]

Dice, sheets and all

[shy rain]

Wonder if big company’s will support this one day, like walk around a 3D bmw to see it

[carmine stream]

I’ve always wanted to play DnD, never had any friends though

[lilac swan]

Hopefully in the future there will be a easy way to make your own DnD game in VRchat

[modern sand]

Wizards of the Coast publicly endorsed altspace for D&D, Vrchat could get the same deal tbh

[carmine stream]

@shy rain what would be awesome would be if they ported the full technical model so you could have an exploded view of all the parts of the car. Would really help with how complicated some stuff is getting now.

[shy rain]

Being vr chat supports desktop and vr it would be good place for it

[spark fog]

So when I move the object after it's been animated..

the animation is literal to world coordinates and not relative to local

[shy rain]

True that, you could have a show room with main car then bits of it around the show room

[spark fog]

how can I make the animation local?

[warm turtle]

Animations on worlds are usually local by default

[spark fog]

so like uhm.

I created the animation on the object but it doesn't appear to be automatically playing.

nevermind found it in all it's ugly un-textured glory xD

[fair magnet]

Itd be great if uganda map was removed

would save me the trouble of having to block half a server

[vocal shard]

That's alot of fucks to give

Yeah, sometimes i wonder why did they even allow uganda world ;-;

[tired sphinx]

because the meme gave the game publicity

[carmine stream]

Surprisingly I have not

I saw a regular penguin though

[open relic]

There was a whole world the other day with multicolored pingin's.

[coral halo]

Platforming challenges in first person in vr just sounds dull. Especially if you have to slow it down so certain people don't get motion sickness

[stone flax]

Hii

[carmine stream]

Hello!

[spark fog]

I made a raising and lowering platform using animation. SO HAPPY.

makes platforming challenges where you have to time jumps right to land from one moving platform onto another

So happy

[stone flax]

Nice lol

[spark fog]

oh yeah there's like no glitching through the platform or falling off it if i stay still.

i seem to also be able to move fine ontop of it while it moves vertically not sure about on the horizontal planes.

[stone flax]

Ahh that's cool, what did you use to animate the platforms?

[spark fog]

uhm. I have a problem.

I just used unity's default animator

So an observing player sees the player riding the platform as glitching through it and feet not animated flat on it

but for the player riding it, it looks fine.

I put the vrc_sync_animation object on it.

i'm trying to put it on the animation and not the platform

I think that was what was meant.

oh yeah that makes sense, the platform probably de-synced.

[coral halo]

Kk

[spark fog]

mm.. so this was my issue

https://i.gyazo.com/654439bdabee93f1209decf061a95d85.mp4

[sick gyro]

well, obviously the block your suppose to be standing on is moving slower then you are. So I would assume it might be a parenting issue?

if the block was parented it would move direclty with teh bone itself

unless thats a object in the world and your not able to stay on it, in which caseimnot sure.

[spark fog]

When I stay on it, it looks fine.

when i watch another player stay on it.

they glitch through it.

it's not syncing up the animations or physics between clients for some reason but on the client own player it all looks fine to them

[sick gyro]

In that case its definantly a delay

or something like that

[spark fog]

It seemd to sync better when i put the animation sync on the cube

and not on the animation

but it was still out of whack

so on my end i see one animation running. could it be that the object state isn't persistent between joinworld?

ie someone else joins and the object is in a different 'frame' for them than me?

[earnest heath]

@vocal shard there is a nazi world with avatars probable just went up fyi

[spark fog]

what does apply root motion do?

[sick gyro]

Thats intresting Satsuki. From what I heard, worlds can't go public till there reviewed... maybe im wrong id need to quote a source on that.

might want to report that if thats the case.

[earnest heath]

its true, got invited by some people there

[carmine stream]

Well I guess it’s time to make the Allies world and send them back to the pit the crawled out of?

[earnest heath]

its called german hanger

[vocal shard]

hm

The person who invited you might have been the one who made it. Owners of worlds can drop portals/invite people for their private worlds.

[earnest heath]

It's public I looked it up

And it had a small population so it must be new

[potent heath]

Gather up all the edgy teens in one place

[tired sphinx]

take them out all at once

[onyx heath]

https://i.imgur.com/IYFOQ6J.png

boy, this is going to be a piece of work

[tired sphinx]

Jesus Christ that was fast

[vocal shard]

The symbols are gone so I think that's why it's passed.

@onyx heath Is there a Mei one. D:

[onyx heath]

well, I exported it myself. this only has textures applied, nothing else, so far from vrchat-ready

mei is doable for sure

[vocal shard]

Owh, alrighty.

[covert chasm]

@onyx heath make sure you merge those meshes 😉

i bought that skin as soon as servers came up yesterday

[onyx heath]

I know, I remember your tutorial, thanks btw 😉 it's just a teaser

same, it's fantastic

[covert chasm]

it looks good!

do you use blender's rigify for rigging?

[onyx heath]

not recently. so far I didn't need to rig anything from strach - for vrchat

I'm hoping that the overwatch rig will transfer painlessly too

[covert chasm]

rigging is always my least favorite part

[onyx heath]

oh yeah, not surprised

[covert chasm]

precisely positioning bones is something that just doesn't translate well to a 2d screen

[steel coral]

Hey, I've got a buddy who's thinking about getting a VR setup going. I never had one, so can anyone tell me how well a 1060 handles VRChat?

[covert chasm]

if only there was a way to rig a model in VR 🤔

1060 should be fine. the CPU should be the main concern

[steel coral]

Yeah, I'm waiting for his specs.

i3 6100 3.7Ghz

[cerulean horizon]

im running a 1050 for vr

[versed folio]

i3 is a little outdated

[cerulean horizon]

dontusea1050forvr

[onyx heath]

there's pretty amazing sculpting/painting/drawing software for vr. it's probably a matter of time for a skinning app

[versed folio]

if he keeps up with his cache that should maybe be alright

[soft turret]

i5 is recommended min for VR generally

and I have one and it stutters a lot esp. in crowded rooms

[sterile bone]

Servers down?

[steel coral]

He's been using VRChat for a long while, but in desktop mode.

[onyx heath]

i have to say, my OC'd 4670k struggles sometimes

[soft turret]

VR is a whole nother ball game

[potent heath]

Anyone here use mixamo for rigging?

[steel coral]

@soft turret Bloody well everything stutters in crowded rooms.

[soft turret]

every time you drop below 90 you get a stuttery mess

[steel coral]

That's hardly true.

[soft turret]

in VR? it's super true

[crystal rock]

Below 45 is where it leans into unplayable, reprojection techniques can make up the difference for frame loss in many cases

[steel coral]

^This.

[crystal rock]

While it isn't ideal, it is still playable for a large portion of people

[soft turret]

alright I concede that

[steel coral]

Right. 90 is always what you should aim, and optimize your worlds, for.

[crystal rock]

Yes, optimize always, for yourself and those around you

as not everyone runs a beast rig, and every bit helps

[steel coral]

I still have no idea how my SH2 map runs so well. It really shouldn't. I haven't done any optimization yet except for cutting down some duplicate materials and baking lighting.

And the drawcall count is through the fucking roof.

[modern sand]

90fps without anyone in the room, i don't expect to hit 90fps if there's other people in there

[soft turret]

yea

[steel coral]

I can usually hold 90fps in certain worlds with up to five people, depending on how fucked their avatars are.

[crystal rock]

Yeah, though I run 2x super sampling on my rig, soooo :V

[steel coral]

Same.

I can't go back now.

[soft turret]

that's fucked

specs?

[modern sand]

Often related to avatar fuckage yes

[crystal rock]

Mmm, I keep all of my public avatars at 3 draw calls max (different shader for skin, hair, and clothing)

but that is because I love good looking stuff

[steel coral]

Xeon e3 1231-v3 @3.4ghz, GTX 1080 8gb @ around 2ghz

@soft turret

12gb of DDR3 ram.

Most of my build is older, I just upgraded my GPU recently, obviously.

[soft turret]

wao

[lilac swan]

I COULD drop my main avatar to 2 drawcalls, but I opted to have fancy eyes so I went with 3

[steel coral]

@crystal rock I think mine is four drawcalls, unfortunately. Would be three, but for some reason my fucking shirt (which has two parts but the same texture) refuses to actually tile the texture the same way on both parts so I had to make a duplicate material to fix the main part of the shirt so it wasn't a blurry mess.

Whoops. Didn't mean to tag him.

[lilac swan]

And your avatars are gorgerous Korro

[steel coral]

Still trying to find a way to fix that on mine so that I can cut out that duplicate material.

[crystal rock]

Thanks zarni ❤ But yeah no, you may need to adjust the UV for that particular model to get it to line up, but also make sure you texture atlas everything that uses the same shader as well.

[covert chasm]

@steel coral I'm a bit late but that i3 is gonna hurt.

[steel coral]

Yeah, I did both of those things. Both parts tile perfectly in Blender with one material, but Unity shits the bed for reasons I haven't figured out.

@covert chasm Yeah, I thought so.

[crystal rock]

Did you join the meshes?

[steel coral]

Yup.

[crystal rock]

Huh, strange

[steel coral]

Believe me, I've tried a ton of stuff because it irritates me to have a duplicate material for a reason as dumb as tiling,

I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually, but my avatar still performs well so it's not an urgent thing.

[crystal rock]

It should, as long as you diddn't go crazy with dynamic bones, those are some of the real heavy hitters

[safe yacht]

I enjoy how rooms are not overfilled and easier to get into now

[lilac swan]

I do wonder how the social dynamics would change if people could look up "avatar stats" ingame, like tri count, drawcalls, number of dynamic bones and such

[crystal rock]

Yeah, smaller groups of people where you can make friends are some of the best expiriences out there in VRC

[steel coral]

I have a few, but I always keep it below 15. I was told before "If you go above 20, you're an asshole", but even 20 seemed pretty damn high.

@lilac swan Avatar racism.

[modern sand]

@lilac swan It would become a form of respect to have a "good performance" avatar

Same as looking unkept at a wedding

[steel coral]

It would be really useful for figuring out who just joined and tanked everyone's FPS. That'd be nice.

[vocal shard]

Glad i still have an interest in low poly when it cones to creating avatars 🤔

[lilac swan]

I would perfer a system like that in place, but maybe make it more generic sounding?

Remember when gearscore was introduced in wow. Holy shit, EVERYTHING was about the numbers

[steel coral]

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. If it existed, I think it should only be in place for the world host. I could see it getting messy if everyone had access to everyone's information.

[modern sand]

I just blame any MMD in the room if my FPS tanks anyway

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lilac swan]

^

[vocal shard]

My FPS is gone? Blame the mirror

Mhm

[lilac swan]

Atleast the CATs plugin does optimize MMD models quite a bit

[steel coral]

In my world there's two mirrors, but they're both in their own small rooms and culled out by vis leafs, so I can keep them triggered.

[lilac swan]

Definitely not as bad it used to be

[steel coral]

^This. I would never have used an MMD before CATs.

[lilac swan]

15 skinned meshes and 30+ materials :(

[flint fern]

Hi

[modern sand]

🙏 join meshes 🙏

[steel coral]

Jeeeezus. Even my main model, which is an MMD that I've been optimizing, didn't have 30+ materials at its worst.

[terse cliff]

Seems to be all the particle spam and fancy shaders that kill my fps now

[lilac swan]

Some MMD models for whatever god awful reason have reduntant materials even using the same texture

Like a material for the eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, eye details... the list goes on

[safe yacht]

So what do we feel about "nazi" models? They dont have the swaztika but they for sure are nazis.

[steel coral]

Eh, keep it to private worlds and I personally don't give a shit.

[safe yacht]

Theyre walking around talking holocaust denial.

[modern sand]

@safe yacht Any name/screenshot ?

[steel coral]

Yup. I'd probably do a Mod call.

^Oh right. team member right there. Forgot you were here.

[vocal shard]

Gg

[lilac swan]

As for the models themselves, obviously nazi imagery is not allowed.

[vocal shard]

Someone was going around as adolf hitler

[lilac swan]

However if the models were "generic" enough, then maybe?

Adolf Hitler also is not allowed

[modern sand]

We allow model from the Wolfenstein game, so very grey area

But any clear representation is a big no

[steel coral]

I think that, unless it's changed, VRPill said before that anything that would be objectionable is "tolerable" in private spaces with people who are fine with it.

[vocal shard]

ruubick can u PM me please?

[steel coral]

But I could see that having changed with newfound playerbase.

[modern sand]

@vocal shard what for ?

[vocal shard]

had a question if you don't mind

[modern sand]

Yeah i figured but on which subject ?

[vocal shard]

😐

[lilac swan]

Unless it's private matter, why not ask it here?

[torn mesa]

Hello friends.

[safe yacht]

@fathom onyxubick I've already left the server without grabbing any evidence 😦

[vocal shard]

yeah private matter... lol :p

[safe yacht]

Felt like I had to leave it.

[torn mesa]

@safe yacht Wrong Ru you atted there

[modern sand]

@safe yacht let me know if you see them again, no worries

[safe yacht]

Missed one U!

I might be ablek to find them agian

[vocal shard]

yes ruuubick.. private matter

[steel coral]

Ah, fuck. I have class in 30 minutes. I should probably disappear. Talk to you all later.

[safe yacht]

Yepp found em

[covert chasm]

@modern sand @lilac swan HEY i see you bullying my MMDs

if i get FPS drops in the room i actually end up immediately blaming Maya users. 🤔

[lilac swan]

😼

How so?

[covert chasm]

Merging meshes in Maya is apparently a PITA

so some people just don't do it.

[lilac swan]

Oh, wow

[torn mesa]

Hey my guy Tupper, you're the same tupper who made the 1 hour and 30 minute long tutorial on how to upload an avatar?

[covert chasm]

1 hour 40 minute

but yes

[lilac swan]

Never knew

[torn mesa]

Ooof

[covert chasm]

😄

[torn mesa]

Do you happen to know any free alternatives to Dynamic bones? As I am a little short on pocket money to throw around right now.

[lilac swan]

Unity rigid bodies

[covert chasm]

but those are... well

good luck getting that set up

[safe yacht]

@modern sand Would you like a screen to judge?

[lilac swan]

They ARE free though

[torn mesa]

Sounds like I stepped into a rabbit hole here.

[covert chasm]

I've yet to see an MMD set up rigidbodies/joints that worked properly

yes, it is

[modern sand]

@safe yacht Yes please !

[torn mesa]

Ill just go find a pirated version and hope that it isnt a virus ;PPP

[lilac swan]

Jragon managed to set up rigidbodies on his avatar really well

[steel coral]

I hear rumours that you can ask around, outside of this discord.

[covert chasm]

@torn mesa please don't >_>

[torn mesa]

Oof

[lilac swan]

• Waves #rules book *

[covert chasm]

1. please don't chat about pirating in here, and 2) that guy has put a ton of work into dynamic bones, its worth the pittance of money

[modern sand]

that's literally the only thing you have to buy for vrchat

[covert chasm]

pretty much. consider it the cost of purchase, haha

[safe yacht]

It wont let me PM it to you @modern sand

[neat rose]

dynamic bones is legally found in the Unity store, that's about it

[lean pivot]

$20 is worth it

[torn mesa]

I'll see what I can scrape up ;P

[steel coral]

^This. I "acquired" the plugin before hand to learn with, but bought it pretty quickly after because it's an impressive plugin that the creator should be paid for.

[potent heath]

Buy dynamic bones, make at least 20 dollars doing commissions, there it paid for itself

[covert chasm]

oh shit

its STILL the top two

[torn mesa]

yup

[safe yacht]

Oh I can show it here maybe?

[potent heath]

Yea boi

[lilac swan]

Muscle animation editor made me enjoy life again

[steel coral]

Please do good commissions though. There are way too many low effort avatars that are poorly optimized right now.

[vocal shard]

Mhm

[safe yacht]

@modern sand Here's a screen. https://imgur.com/EcboJ5V

[modern sand]

Ah, thanks

[steel coral]

I've never heard of Muscle Animation Editor. Sounds like it's worth checking out though.

[potent heath]

Me either, what's it do

[lilac swan]

If you're gonna make animation overrides, then it's a godsend

[steel coral]

I really need to get around to that. I've completely neglected that entire thing.

[primal herald]

muscle animator is the best one right next to dynamic bones

its so good

[potent heath]

Sounds promising already, so far I've just been importing mixamo animations for emote overrides

[steel coral]

Mixamo
My soul.

It hurts.

[safe yacht]

What was that map where the Japanese folks hang out?

[potent heath]

Hey, it's a start

[steel coral]

Yeah, that's true. Work with what you have. Nothing wrong with that.

[potent heath]

I usually see a lot of Japanese players in the fantasy cabin, I forget what it's called

[raven silo]

Muscle Animation Editor make animation humaniod soo much easier

[safe yacht]

One problem I have currently, now that the hackers seem to have been solved, are gigantic model that are so big theyre outsid ethe map and you cant block them and their extremely obnoxious effects

[vocal shard]

Don't people also buy VR for VRChat.

Not just Dbone.

[steel coral]

Yeah, seems to be a pretty big HMD seller.

[potent heath]

I just did yesterday

[raven silo]

window VR is cheap right now

[steel coral]

Ah fuck. About to be late for class. Talk to you all later.

[potent heath]

Yea, I got the Dell mixed reality set for 250

[vocal shard]

Class well

[potent heath]

See ya vincent

[hollow tendon]

anyone know how to block windows security update popups?

[empty sand]

vrchat the only good vr game

[hollow tendon]

nah gorn is good

[raven silo]

i treat vrchat not game more a social app with feature let you make your own avatar and worlds

[potent heath]

Can't wait for my set to come in, I'm gonna rob people at gunpoint

[raven silo]

same idea from ready player one

[empty sand]

nothing else has even close to the same meme output, and we all know thats what drives the world now

[hollow tendon]

hotdogs horseshoes and handgrenades is also good

[vocal shard]

Dynamic bones was worth $20 in all honesty, I'm suprised it wasn't more.

[raven silo]

ready player one is idea VR app let you create thousand worlds but in ready player one you have to pay for teleport Fee lol

[potent heath]

Yea it's totally worth it

[vocal shard]

hey does anyone here model avatars from anime models?

[raven silo]

@vocal shard people just use cat plugin and mmd models

for anime

[vocal shard]

I don't even know what that is

[pure junco]

You mean

Rig them for use?

[vocal shard]

yes

[hollow tendon]

my pc keeps trying to install an update that fails every single time. is there any way to block it from trying?

[raven silo]

#avatars-mmd have all info in pinned

[potent heath]

What character, if your lucky there might be an mmd model out there

[vocal shard]

like, if you want to use an avatar from an anime but you can't find a 3d model in the internet

[raven silo]

devianart

or bowelroll

[vocal shard]

Kurama Yoko (Yu Yu hakusho)

[raven silo]

were people find them

[vocal shard]

Deviantart
Bowlroll

Just typing it again in case they get confused.

[vagrant bloom]

How do get Unity 5.6.3p1?

[vocal shard]

https://unity3d.com/unity/qa/patch-releases/5.6.3p1

[potent heath]

I think I found a link, but I don't know the rules of posting deviant art links here

[vocal shard]

Should be fine.

Or you can PM them if you want.

[potent heath]

I sent a pl

Pm

I have done the deed

[vocal shard]

You did good.

[potent heath]

And with that, my lunch break is over, I'm shall lurk around here later

[coarse blaze]

Nothing feels better than

entering a room with 10 people

only to hear 7 speaking

and all of them speak russian

[safe yacht]

At least I can understand the Germans.

[coarse blaze]

I heard german only a few times

While I hear russian even when entering into a room with 2 fucking people

[vagrant bloom]

Playing VRchat but using Discord VC as a speaking

[coarse blaze]

Germans have weird taste tho

[safe yacht]

Ive notcied they can be peculiar.

[coarse blaze]

for some reason all of them like the "Diamonds" song in MMD club

[glacial reef]

our screamo is the only thing that comes close to their language

of course they like it

unneces·sary roars and gargles within the context

[coarse blaze]

lmao

[night nimbus]

Buy particle effects package on the Unity store

VRChat doesn't allow any custom scripts

fucking RIP me I guess :\

[torn mesa]

Think it was a security thing but R I P

[night nimbus]

It sucks because the tris cap is too low and nobody can use any fancy particle effects, so it looks like we're partying in 2005 VR space. :

I get trying to cater to lower end machines, but..come on.

[safe yacht]

I see plenty of people with effects.

From small to way too big

[glacial reef]

if it didn't lag the game so much it wouldn't be that big of a deal

[vocal shard]

Hello weebs

[glacial reef]

but since it lags the game when they go all out there had to be limits to the particles

[night nimbus]

You can use particle effects in VRChat, but it's hard to get fancy with it without custom scripts. And not allowing any makes VRChat pretty much automatically incompatible with a lot of Unity assets that are otherwise perfectly compatible with Unity 5.6.x

[halcyon creek]

Yo! is it possible to add Visemes to XPS models in Blender? I know you can do it for MMD models and it's fairly simple from there

[night nimbus]

Yes, but you have to make the Shape Keys yourself.

[thorn latch]

My game keeps crashing when I try to load a certain world, but others can connect fine

Theyre not using vr, but I am

[glacial reef]

are you waiting for it to load

sometimes it black screens and you have to sit and wait

[halcyon creek]

Ah okay! Thank you x)

[glacial reef]

otherwise just clear all your vrchat cache and see if that fixes the crash for that world

[night nimbus]

The loading struggle is real. I have fiber internet with average 700-800 Mb/s download and a high-end computer, yet I get disconnected all the time or stuck in loading loops.

tl;dr - it's just VRChat being shitty, probably

[keen chasm]

I used to loop but know it either sends me back to the hub or it actually loads

[umbral reef]

@night nimbus btw speed does not make it stable btw
Not saying its on your side but its kinda an eee argument

[night nimbus]

Getting bumped back to the Hub is one of my biggest gripes. VRChat hiccups? Whoops, hope you remembered what world AND what instance you were just on while talking to those people, because now you're back in the Hub, in an instance with only you in it (why VRChat prefers to do this, I don't know. It's a social chat game. You don't foster this sort of feeling with rampant disconnects that force you out of social situations and then throw players into a room by themselves.)

[safe yacht]

It's just an early access game having troubles.

Rarely happens to me though.

[coarse blaze]

@glacial reef Does it really affect that much though?

[safe yacht]

Seems to be a problem on your end if you disconnect a lot.

[glacial reef]

@coarse blaze if its abused

[coarse blaze]

I mean, for a computer as shitty as mine, the difference in high polys vs low polys feels only around 30 people

[night nimbus]

Eh, I'm hesitant to give games the "It's just Early Access" slack, with the trend of games staying in Early Access hell for years now a days.

[coarse blaze]

Or, worst-case scenario, unjoined meshes

[umbral reef]

Its a free early acess game man

[glacial reef]

I have people with the shit particles lag my 1070

[safe yacht]

Because game development takes years, you pillock.

[glacial reef]

by having wayyyyyy too many of them

[umbral reef]

Just if it was free that is enough reason to explain the bugs imo 👀

[coarse blaze]

I mean, imo 20k is definitely way too low

[vocal shard]

well the difference CMG .. this is a FREE early access game

[safe yacht]

Several early access games I've been part of have taken 3-4 years to come out of EA.

[vocal shard]

and its very stable and working for a free game

[safe yacht]

So get that stick out of your bum.

[coarse blaze]

EA

[night nimbus]

It's only free because they made it free. I'd pay for it if they added a price, to help things along and get better servers.

[safe yacht]

I rarely ever have disconnection problems unless it's something everyone else has.

[neat rose]

You can be a VR music idol that's pretty good to me

[vocal shard]

yeah

[glacial reef]

@coarse blaze Basically the game engine can't handle it or in this case isn't "optimized" for those kind of taxes on it, so thats why we can't have all the nicest features

[vocal shard]

same

[safe yacht]

HTC invested 4 million into this game.

[vocal shard]

o.o

[night nimbus]

Then what's the excuse..?

[safe yacht]

The development team are the people in yellow text.

[coarse blaze]

@glacial reef From what my friend has told me, it's not exactly the polys that make people lag

but rather, the people who have unjoined meshes

[carmine stream]

More money =/= faster development

[visual birch]

@safe yacht seems legiT*

[glacial reef]

@coarse blaze Like I said I think its the back end which lands within how the game was designed

same reason we can run games at ultra and get stable 144+ fps

but others ultra and only 60

[safe yacht]

It's an early access game you twat. An early access multiplayer game even. It sounds like you've never played them before.

[visual birch]

nah fam just make your own VR Headset.

[safe yacht]

Not to mention that this game was in the start just made by 1 guy who didnt see all this happening.

[coarse blaze]

I mean, I'm already loving the game the way it is atm

[visual birch]

iz easy. 👌🏻

[coarse blaze]

but seeing it actually develop far would be amazing

[night nimbus]

It's a good opportunity that I would hate to see squandered while the popularity is high.

[umbral reef]

Also its not like an insane amount of peeps know how to program for big games or understand how to program for Vr things

[night nimbus]

Would be a shame if VRChat went the way of Pokemon Go.

[glacial reef]

who touched mah spaghet

[safe yacht]

Leave the game development to those that do it.

[carmine stream]

It’s always funny when people who know next to nothing about the gritty details of game development try and give devs shit.

[visual birch]

I mean true but he might have missed the security flaws in some stuff..

[coarse blaze]

the popularity rose because of the fucking knuckles

[visual birch]

except people who are reputable can critque. @carmine stream

[safe yacht]

There's always some entitled little jerk @carmine stream

[umbral reef]

That stuff is on the client unity side though
They could have predicted it and it kinda ish cant be prevented at all, just made a lot harder with things

[visual birch]

@coarse blaze true to a certain degree

[coarse blaze]

I mean, you can't enter a bigger room

without a knuckles

that's actually 12 years old

[keen chasm]

Oh no

[safe yacht]

Comes with being free and popular.

[glacial reef]

I'll be honest I'm having a hard time finding people speaking english in game anymore

[upper cedar]

^

[visual birch]

@umbral reef Yeah like Data hiding?

[keen chasm]

Cyka

[coarse blaze]

Well, all I hear is either Russians

or nobody talking at all

[carmine stream]

Yeah there’s some stuff you can criticize if you actually, ya know, have the knowledge to make a constructive criticism. Otherwise you may as well flap your arms and yell “I’m an idiot”

[safe yacht]

So talk to people

Get them talking

Dont wait for them to talk

Fucking hell.

[upper cedar]

Other ethnicities have also been extremely rude

[coarse blaze]

Yeah, I can't get them to buy a mic

[glacial reef]

^

[coarse blaze]

hell, I have 2 mics on me right now, but I can't just toss one across the world

[upper cedar]

Will send mic for n00ds

[visual birch]

@carmine stream True like I'm a bit confused if he implemented Data Hiding kept in mind while making VRChat.

[keen chasm]

If you get them to buy a vr set id think you're the mvp

[safe yacht]

Find some friends and stick with them. It's an international game with no limitations on language. People will speak all kinds of languages but if you try to engage them in English, most people apart from the Russians, will talk back to you.

[coarse blaze]

My friend convinced himself to buy a VR set, lol

I do have some friends, everyone were offline

[visual birch]

@coarse blaze lol I mean more interactivability when having one.

[coarse blaze]

one just came on, though

Yeah I know

I'd love to have a VR one day too

[lilac eagle]

Can you activate HANDGUN animation without vr headset?

[safe yacht]

it also depends on what hours you play the game.

[upper cedar]

Dude I’ve convinced about 3 people to buy vrs just by telling em to turn off personal space and giving them some...hands on...time

[glacial reef]

All my friends left after the community went toxic

feelsbadman

[safe yacht]

Different time zones means different nations are online.

[visual birch]

@coarse blaze I'm thinking of building one from scratch. the VR Headset

[coarse blaze]

How do you even

????????????

[upper cedar]

Lol gl not happening

[carmine stream]

I would be very impressed (not that I think it can’t happen, that I think it would be a legitimate achievement)

[visual birch]

@coarse blaze It's possible with the help of Arduinos and knowing how to program.

I mean the hightech expensive VRs are expensive due to multiple sensors grabbing the input

[glacial reef]

what if I was to tell you

that humans are a living VR

[visual birch]

Lol I mean It's possible @glacial reef. I mean what if we were all virtual?

[coarse blaze]

🤔

[glacial reef]

blue or red pill

[carmine stream]

What if

[glacial reef]

your choice

[coarse blaze]

blue

or wait

[carmine stream]

We’re all figments of our own imagination

[coarse blaze]

which one is the one for the matrix

[visual birch]

Red Pill. You know. "VR Pill" is red. ^

[glacial reef]

watch me bend this spoon with my mind

[visual birch]

WHOA man that's insaneeee @glacial reef

[vocal shard]

or blue pill

[coarse blaze]

@upper cedar there's another problem to with buying VR

[visual birch]

@vocal shard

[coarse blaze]

I have no money

[visual birch]

That's true @coarse blaze

[night nimbus]

I wouldn't recommend getting VR for VRChat.

[glacial reef]

blew money on VR no ragrats

[visual birch]

Get VR when VR matters. ^^

[night nimbus]

Wait until it stops being Early Access.

[upper cedar]

Sell ur left nut

each testicle IS WORTH around 32,000

[glacial reef]

well i mean

I only need 1

[coarse blaze]

I'd buy VR even if I didn't have VRChat

[glacial reef]

brb

[carmine stream]

Oh fuck. Chances are I’ll never use em

[coarse blaze]

In VRChat I'd buy it for molesting lolis

[carmine stream]

Time to go buy a R32

[visual birch]

lol nah we'll just wait until VR becomes VRD or Virtual Reality Dive. Where you Dive into a game virtually like Tron or SAO or something.

[coarse blaze]

all the lolis would run from me

[upper cedar]

VR DOES MATTER NOW DAMNIT

you can touch loli heads

and touch fluffy tails

[coarse blaze]

and boobs

and look under skirts

[visual birch]

@coarse blaze you mean "bobs"

[glacial reef]

endless possibility

[visual birch]

^

[upper cedar]

and vagene