vrchat-general-2

[stray canopy]

on a game as volatile as that

is a bad idea

[odd ravine]

Guys we need to make a world thats a MOBA

[zealous pecan]

who needs any other game when you have VRchat

[odd ravine]

And the grunts creeps can be knuckles

[stray canopy]

and pouring millions of dollars into overwatch for esports so early in its life..

why?

just why?

[mellow zephyr]

Vrchat is pretty much just a social platform untill they add support for developers to make proper game worlds

[fair magnet]

@odd ravine already made summoners rift

[vocal shard]

VRchat’ll one day get to the point where it IS every game

[surreal mica]

Overwatch had like, 10 million viewers with OWL
They are doing fine

[odd ravine]

@fair magnet put knuckles in it

[stray canopy]

i can't wait to play games in vrchat

[zealous pecan]

nexu, they know if they don't support it it'll die even faster

[fair magnet]

@odd ravine kys

[stray canopy]

u right waffle

[zealous pecan]

OW will fizzle out in a couple of years tops

[odd ravine]

@fair magnet but if it had knuckles then you would finally get to murder the knuckles

[river sequoia]

@zealous pecan hi

[odd ravine]

OW is already fizzling out

[zealous pecan]

@river sequoia hihi

[vocal shard]

theres already shooters on VRchat, bowling... we’ll have sports on VRchat and full gamemode servers once the game develops more lol

[odd ravine]

people are slowly waking up to the reality that the game has no progress and no reward to it

[mellow zephyr]

Those games are janky

[vocal shard]

janky but theyll improve

[odd ravine]

Agreed

its jank city

[mellow zephyr]

..That's what i'm saying

[bleak tusk]

I love watching the OWL, its koreans vs koreans, and they play game very well, 😛

[muted jolt]

But one subscriber

[fair magnet]

@vocal shard pubg is bad tho

[odd ravine]

They have VR battle royale

[mellow zephyr]

untill they add support for developers to make proper games

it's pretty mucha social paltform

[fair magnet]

did you see the console version

[mellow zephyr]

platform*

[stray canopy]

@fair magnet what is a "good" game to you?

oh no

don't even talk about the console version

[fair magnet]

@stray canopy nms

[stray canopy]

pubg was never made for consoles

[vocal shard]

we just need a few japanese devs to stop making decked out avatars and focus on worlds 😂👌

[stray canopy]

they just want to force it out so they can make their $$$

before the fad ends

[odd ravine]

@vocal shard yes

[fair magnet]

doki doki

yugioh

space engineers

[odd ravine]

leave it to the asians

[ashen quail]

Hi

[stray quartz]

If your lookimg for a PUBG VR game look into Stand Out

[stray canopy]

oh no

space engineers

[bleak tusk]

I mean like come on, the UK London overwtach team is all Korean 😛

[odd ravine]

they will go from winning every game to building every game

[stray canopy]

the game that's been in beta for almost a decade

[fair magnet]

tabletop sim

[vocal shard]

the doki doki map is pretty nice but it feels incomplete

[stray canopy]

^^

that's because it is

[fair magnet]

i dont like the doki map

[stray canopy]

i'm sure there are plenty of secrets in it but

i don't

really care?

it's sort of the whole

[odd ravine]

oh space engineers, you mean that game that wont run on my system cause it loads so much shit

[stray canopy]

first impressions sort of thing

[fair magnet]

the music

[muted jolt]

I require a a vrchat mario partyyyy

[fair magnet]

it drives me insane

[stray canopy]

put your own characters into mario party

that would be something else

but putting that idea into vr?

who wants to make millions?

[surreal mica]

OW is more popular than it has ever been
I don't like the game and don't play it any more, but while the casual audience might be moving on the game is becoming popular as an esport
There is no reason to not want it to be successful, Overwatch being a successful esport with the amount of money and effort put into making it successful will allow other games to try to make efforts to have longer lifespans and making money from other ways than just ripping their players off

[vocal shard]

is there any way to get into the crime scene? a few people in the world i was on were doing it but they were probably just respawning at the door so shrug

[surreal mica]

I type big text oh boy

[flat moss]

What? Overwatch is a shit eSport.

Terrible to watch.

[stray canopy]

overwatch makes me so angry, it's not even funny

you can't control ANYTHING in that game

[surreal mica]

10 million people watched it my dude

Can't control it if you are bad maybe

[flat moss]

10 million ain't nothing.

[fair magnet]

lack of heroes in overwatch is my distaste to it

[muted jolt]

Vrchat hopefully will be the next roblox amiright bois

[fair magnet]

i want 100+

[stray canopy]

if you're amazing and you're put on a team of 3 eight year olds and a guy who doesn't know how to work a keyboard

• a leaver

[zealous pecan]

ha ha viewer numbers translating to game longevity ha ha

[stray canopy]

(which there is in every match)

you can't do anything

put that into a game like csgo, or whatever established esport you want

[surreal mica]

Yeah, esports where people don't watch them are the true winners

[stray canopy]

you can easily carry the team and win the game

[vocal shard]

i played Overwatch during the betas a lot so by the time the game got released i was already bored. there’s not enough content to keep it interesting

[stray canopy]

but you just get punished for playing overwatch

[zealous pecan]

death is correct

[fair magnet]

wasnt it supposed to be like a hero a month

[mellow zephyr]

Your team comp has nothing to do with your individual ability to control what you're doing.

[tacit plank]

How difficult is it to make worlds? Compared to avatars

[stray canopy]

there's no room for improvement if the game keeps you stuck in the same place

[fair magnet]

theyre getting as slow as dota with creation

at least lol does that right

[stray canopy]

i'm talking the people with no mic + no game sense

[fair magnet]

2 heroes in a year

[stray canopy]

• picking symmetra on attack

[flat moss]

@tacit plank Harder for interesting ones, easier otherwise.

[fair magnet]

both on the same day

[stray canopy]

and switching to every single character in the game

[latent badger]

aren't worlds just, like, full unity scenes?

[mellow zephyr]

I mean, are you playing ranked or casual

[tacit plank]

Alright, thanks

[fair magnet]

idk what that is

[stray canopy]

i'm just so tired of the widows in solo q

[vocal shard]

Lmao roblox

[stray canopy]

widow really needs to be able to talk to her team mates

[fair magnet]

roblox is the shiz

[surreal mica]

I never got widows in solo queue

[vocal shard]

OFf

[stray canopy]

and we all know how much people talk in overwatch vc

[fair magnet]

i was a god in it

[flat moss]

wot

[fair magnet]

^^^

[stray canopy]

roblox: survive the disasters

[vocal shard]

My shyt

[flat moss]

Why're we talking about ROBLOX?

VRChat's far closer to garrysmod.

[elder harbor]

Are you trying to summon mert?

[hidden grail]

I honestly gave up on OW around the time solo queue quick play would always lead to the shimada brothers on the team at all times.

[fair magnet]

roblox>everything else

[elder harbor]

With your competitive VRChat talk

[stray canopy]

i gave overwatch my best effort. i really did.

[surreal mica]

Roblox is the future of competitive esport

[stray canopy]

but i have nowhere near the amount of fun with that game as i do other fps

[zealous pecan]

we all gave OW a fair chance, but there's only so much you can do with an FPS moba

[elder harbor]

I only play junkrat on attack

[stray canopy]

i hate mobas with a passion

[fair magnet]

well im sure a group of us can make tournys

[zealous pecan]

its left click till you can hit Q

[rich ember]

Battle discs needs it's latency issue fixed first

[zealous pecan]

rinse and repeat

[stray canopy]

yeah

maybe mix one or two of them to get a better result

[hidden grail]

I just want to play Mei and not be forced to switch to all the other characters I don't like being.

[velvet quarry]

Final boss of battledisks would be KimplE

[stray canopy]

(if your team has played the game for more than five minutes, that is)

[hidden grail]

But that's not how OW works

[rich ember]

psh

[stray canopy]

(which is ENTIRELY RANDOM)

(because blizzard can't seem to make a decent match maker)

man

[rich ember]

KimpIE has nothing over Chatacha

[stray canopy]

i am a very hateful person

[fair magnet]

already throwing them pro names around

[stray canopy]

let me go stick my head in the freezer so i can cool down

[surreal mica]

I'm not saying Overwatch is the perfect esport
In fact, I have a lot of problems with it
But it is successful

[fair magnet]

im game if anyone wants to organise a tourny

[surreal mica]

I only played on a varsity team for a year and a half, what do I know

dead esport

[stray canopy]

but the problem here is the longevity of the esport scene

i mean, it's so open, and widely available

it's kinda crazy

[fair magnet]

esoport will be permanent

[zealous pecan]

i'm not talking about the esports activity of the game

[stray canopy]

but that's both a good thing and a bad thing

[zealous pecan]

with blizz actively pushing their own product

[stray canopy]

of course it will

[zealous pecan]

of course it will have viewers

[stray canopy]

but all esports fizzle out eventually

[zealous pecan]

im talking about the replayability and the actual fun of the game

[stray canopy]

i don't think overwatch is the right game to put your money on

[zealous pecan]

of which there is none

[fair magnet]

how long will that take dota to "fizzle out"

[stray canopy]

who knows

[fair magnet]

with the prizepool getting so damn large

[stray canopy]

milk expires faster than steel

god

yeah

that's scary

[fair magnet]

@vocal shard yes

[stray canopy]

imagine being so good at a game

you earn your entire life's worth of money

[fair magnet]

@vocal shard now that tupper is taken

[stray canopy]

by playing it for people to watch

[fair magnet]

wink wink

[elder harbor]

I would like comp kart racing, because see a Florida driver, Everytime I drive it's a competition

[surreal mica]

I could agree if you said Blizzard can't maintain an esport based upon what they did to Starcraft, but I don't think you can say Overwatch is dead just because you don't like it

Junkrat is the peak of competitve gaming and you know it

[fair magnet]

dota is that game

[surreal mica]

I can get you off

[fair magnet]

exit it

no

the x button

not the power

[formal terrace]

[surreal mica]

On getting off?

[fair magnet]

uh

[elder harbor]

Are we trying to call dibs on angel?

[fair magnet]

i said nothinbg

according to yt

telling someone to buy a computer implies that you disrespect women

[surreal mica]

Tru

[elder harbor]

🤔

[surreal mica]

Women are obsolete anyways

Men are just better women nowadays

[fair magnet]

oh no

[elder harbor]

I'm glad I'm versatile so I can never be obsolete

[stray canopy]

-madcatz

[fair magnet]

what bout a d chick

[surreal mica]

In the future there are not men and women, but menlike men and womenlike men

[fair magnet]

but how can they be womenlike if women dont exist

will we ever know what women are

[stray canopy]

i'll give you the same answer that everyone in the development chats give people

google it.

[vocal shard]

💩

[fair magnet]

whats a google?

[vocal shard]

🤔

[stray canopy]

google it.

[vocal shard]

😂

Lmaooooo

[elder harbor]

Google "it?"

[vocal shard]

😂😂😂

[stray canopy]

google google

[vocal shard]

That was funny

[fair magnet]

when you spend more time in blender making an avatar for vrchat

[safe yacht]

Is anyone experiencing that random people have been put on block?

[fair magnet]

than playing vrchat

[gleaming quarry]

true

[surreal mica]

I mean, that's just me, but I don't have my own headset yet

Making models for the day I can play

[fair magnet]

eeee

are you a trap

[surreal mica]

I could be

[fair magnet]

no

[gleaming quarry]

thats all true

[fair magnet]

im a genderbend

there is a dif

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard I'm not a trap I'm a person

[gleaming quarry]

ha lol

[fair magnet]

i activate my counter trap card!

[vocal shard]

OH SHIT

[gleaming quarry]

go get em

[fair magnet]

its called solemn warning

begone trap

[vocal shard]

I counter your counter with "Counter Counter"

[gleaming quarry]

BE GONE TH......TRAP

[fair magnet]

....

@vocal shard you play yugioh

or was that just a guess

its a real card

[hidden grail]

I'mma dark bribe your warning sir

[vocal shard]

@fair magnet Yep I used to

[fair magnet]

i still do

[vocal shard]

I'mma wiretap

[fair magnet]

i need a life

[gleaming quarry]

uggg

[surreal mica]

I play POT OF GREED

[hidden grail]

banned

[elder harbor]

Traps are allowed here, you know it to be true

[vocal shard]

I got one thats why I dont play Yu-

[surreal mica]

This card allows me to draw two cards!

[vocal shard]

Gi oh

[fair magnet]

you cant chain a spell card to a counter trap

[gleaming quarry]

i do also

[fair magnet]

only counter traps can counter counters

[elder harbor]

playing pot of greed when all you need is right here

[surreal mica]

I quit
I can't play without pot of greed

[fair magnet]

I play seven tools of the bandit

[vocal shard]

@fair magnet I might not be male

[hidden grail]

Should we bring magic in to this? I cast counterspell

[vocal shard]

I'm not a trap I'm a female

[fair magnet]

oh

[surreal mica]

Reverse-trap

[gleaming quarry]

ya you can

[vocal shard]

🤔

What if a girl likes traps?

[fair magnet]

then ill be a trap

[elder harbor]

Girls can't like traps reeee

[surreal mica]

What if a women plays a trap character?
Are you a trap if your character is a trap?

[gleaming quarry]

same

[vocal shard]

I don’t mine

[elder harbor]

It's forbidden

[vocal shard]

Mind *

Lol

[muted jolt]

Im a reverse reverse trap trap am i still a trap?

[fair magnet]

wait why did you tell me your gender

[surreal mica]

That's gay

[vocal shard]

I'm a trapppppppppppppppp

[gleaming quarry]

ooooof

[fair magnet]

the rules of the internet clearly state that there are no females on the internet

[vocal shard]

😂

[serene reef]

Jesus christ just enjoy what makes your lust thrust and be kind to others 💜

[vocal shard]

^

[muted jolt]

And eat corn

[gleaming quarry]

@fair magnet classic

[serene reef]

U get what u see in lewdness

[fair magnet]

although the next rule states that the previouse rule has an exception

[elder harbor]

Good thing rules are made to be broken

[surreal mica]

I mean, we're mostly just memeing
I agree though Yakeno

[muted jolt]

Lots of corn

[fair magnet]

if you actually see the person

[vocal shard]

I wish there was a voice room in this server

[fair magnet]

otherwise assume its male

voicechanger

[muted jolt]

What if im a corn trap?

[vocal shard]

with limits

[serene reef]

@surreal mica i know its just memes but i like to spread postive lewdness awareness 💜

[elder harbor]

I'm a selective rule breaker.

[fair magnet]

ive seen some really good irl traps

[gleaming quarry]

voice changers suck

[muted jolt]

I cry

[vocal shard]

Memes are my life

[elder harbor]

I like VRChat so I don't break the rules here

[fair magnet]

breast implants and everything

creepy shit

[vocal shard]

@fair magnet I know a trap that can go from a male to female in 0.1 seconds

[fair magnet]

yeah ive seen them to

[muted jolt]

I know a trap, it catches bears

[gleaming quarry]

A CLOWN FISH

[vocal shard]

Is there anyone here over the age of 12?

[fair magnet]

did you know if a group of frogs have no females

[glacial reef]

im 12 1/2

[fair magnet]

one will become a female

[muted jolt]

Im over 12 months

[vocal shard]

👀

Anyone wanna join the Clone Army?

[gleaming quarry]

exactly

[elder harbor]

I'm old but I just look really young

Is that okay

[jovial yacht]

Speaking of traps. How long do you guys think it'll be till Polygon makes a new article about how Knuckles is "Transphobic" because they keep spitting on traps?

[fair magnet]

did you know the mountain chicken is actually a endangered frog

[vocal shard]

@fair magnet All snails are female and male at the same time

[fair magnet]

flowers too

[vocal shard]

🤔

[muted jolt]

Lets report it to them

[gleaming quarry]

wtf is a mountain chicken

[fair magnet]

a frog

[muted jolt]

Like message them on Facebook about it

[fair magnet]

google it

[gleaming quarry]

k

[fair magnet]

https://www.google.co.za/search?q=mountain+chicken&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiw7bCO09_YAhVLCcAKHRPfAXsQ_AUICigB&biw=2844&bih=1455

saved you the first search

[gleaming quarry]

wow cool

[glacial reef]

someone was high as shit when naming it

"dude look at that chicken"

[vocal shard]

Vrchat looks like it's working

[fair magnet]

"its on a mountain"

[glacial reef]

fuck it mountain chicken it is

[fair magnet]

doesnt kangaroo mean i dont understand you

[gleaming quarry]

ha

[glacial reef]

queue is just Q

resume and resume are too different sounding words

[fair magnet]

when they came to australia they asked the natives what animal it was and they replied kangaroo

[surreal mica]

No don't do this to me Karma

[fair magnet]

broke?

[gleaming quarry]

MIND BLOWN

[hollow pulsar]

cat and dog are 2 different words

[elder harbor]

You can't say forbidden knowledge like that

[muted jolt]

Thats a fish

[fair magnet]

BUT MASTER

[vocal shard]

Do Australians ride the kangaroo instead of a car

[gleaming quarry]

kill me please 😃

[elder harbor]

A cat is just an angrier dog

[fair magnet]

ITS BEST WHEN ITS FORBIDEN

[hollow pulsar]

a book is a squashed tree

[muted jolt]

A cat is just a baby dog shaken too much

[keen chasm]

Are bugs really 100X bigger there

[hollow pulsar]

yes

[fair magnet]

in australia?

[elder harbor]

squashed tree

[glacial reef]

common misconception australians ride crocodiles

[elder harbor]

Lel

[keen chasm]

Yes

[hollow pulsar]

and the ants have 2 legs and 2 arms 🤔

[fair magnet]

idk but the mothas are huge over here

[muted jolt]

What do spiders have?

[fair magnet]

ears?

depression

[surreal mica]

Can't fool me
I know full well Australia is just a folk tale

[hollow pulsar]

8 penises

[muted jolt]

Ears of what?

[glacial reef]

web

[fair magnet]

ears of depression

[gleaming quarry]

wow

[muted jolt]

But do they have social anxiety?

[keen chasm]

They say you can hear the exact moment when they get depressed

[gleaming quarry]

all vr chat players do 😛

[fair magnet]

i dont

[hollow pulsar]

oof

i do

[muted jolt]

Owie

[fair magnet]

i like teasing people who have it

[gleaming quarry]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof

[fair magnet]

cause thats humane to do

[hollow pulsar]

tease me

[keen chasm]

I have paper thin walls plus pc hums a lot

[elder harbor]

Teasing people who have what now

[hollow pulsar]

social anxiety

[muted jolt]

Peewee hermans

[fair magnet]

@hollow pulsar i would but i know its the only attention you would get so ill pass

[gleaming quarry]

why

[hollow pulsar]

:(

[elder harbor]

It took me 4 days to be able to talk to someone.

[vocal shard]

Sad

[elder harbor]

Crippling shyness ftw

[muted jolt]

It took me 12 seconds

[fair magnet]

oh im shy tho

usually

[muted jolt]

Just he a knuckles and join the flock

[glacial reef]

I would have social anxiety too if all people heard was "Do you know da wae spitting and clucking sounds " coming from my room

[muted jolt]

You only say like four things

[little holly]

It's so hard to log on anymore these days.

[gleaming quarry]

i hate the knuckles

[little holly]

Fear of getting hacked doesn't make it better.

[fair magnet]

i really love you?

[surreal mica]

Games popular

[elder harbor]

They have a nice voice to listen to so I was a little intimidated 🤷

[muted jolt]

You dont get hacked just the game

[keen chasm]

Getting hacked or listening to children imitate a Mem

[fair magnet]

be my vrife please

[timid light]

Hello

[muted jolt]

Im a gud vrwife

[hollow pulsar]

the knuckles meme will probably be dead in february

[muted jolt]

Yeah

[fair magnet]

i wonder what happened to roblox

[muted jolt]

Vrchat will be dead in may

[fair magnet]

its probably got lots of knuckles stuff

[gleaming quarry]

who

[glacial reef]

don't get my hopes up

[surreal mica]

Vrchat has no competitive future

[vocal shard]

roblox had a uganda map but it got taken down

[surreal mica]

Roblox is dead

[fair magnet]

nuu

[surreal mica]

Long live the king

[fair magnet]

they stole the wa

[hollow pulsar]

de kween

[muted jolt]

But the idea of avatars should be implemented in more games

[hollow pulsar]

yes

[serene merlin]

wa wa

[surreal mica]

I like being able to slaughter my opponents as a submarine loli

[serene merlin]

same

[hollow pulsar]

I like being a house made of cory

[fair magnet]

i knew you were a trap

[muted jolt]

Even if vrchat dies i hope kore games implement that feature

[keen chasm]

Someone should just be a taco stand

[fair magnet]

im in

cya

[keen chasm]

And have Waluigi

[muted jolt]

More*

[hollow pulsar]

who will be the disco ball

[muted jolt]

I wanna be you in the new games onnichan~

[fair magnet]

fbi open the door

[muted jolt]

Magnets computer

[hollow pulsar]

fbi apologises and leaves

[muted jolt]

cops come in and shoot yoy anways

Filthy degenerate

[keen chasm]

Imagine the magnet takes the hit

[muted jolt]

True to Caesar

[hollow pulsar]

unless you're a white male yeah

[elder harbor]

Is that how you bend the bullets trajectory?

With magnets?

[muted jolt]

I hope Legion from Fallout becomes the new knuckles

[keen chasm]

You gotta curve the bullets

[surreal mica]

I just wear the magnet over my heart at all times
Like a badge

[hollow pulsar]

If I swallow a magnet will bullets come towards me?

[keen chasm]

Like that on bs

[surreal mica]

Why doesn't the military just make their armor out of magnets

[muted jolt]

If you glue magnets to bullets where do they go?

[hollow pulsar]

they get s t i c c to car

[surreal mica]

Honestly we should just make armor out of sherrif badges
That could stop like, a hundred bullets

[safe yacht]

Magnets have no impact what so ever on the trajectory of a bullet.

[hollow pulsar]

it could stop the police from moving too

[muted jolt]

Or we make armor of bullets to stop sheriff badges

[safe yacht]

The amount of magnets you'd need and their strength would by far ruin any usefullness

[hollow pulsar]

or we make bullets out of sherrifs to stop armor

[muted jolt]

What if the sheriffs are bullets and we shoot the armor to stop the magnets?

[safe yacht]

I shot the sherrif. And then I shot the deputy because I missed with the sheriff.

[hollow pulsar]

what if we shoot

[paper cloak]

then I had a popsicle

then I passed out

[muted jolt]

Cant shoot anymore

[hollow pulsar]

what

if

[muted jolt]

Shooting blanks old age

[fair magnet]

remind me later to tell you all a story

[paper cloak]

the point is that they still make a noise

[hollow pulsar]

what

[muted jolt]

@fair magnet tell me a story dad

[paper cloak]

@fair magnet story time daddy, spray me with your stories 😮

[muted jolt]

Woo boy

Roll tide

[elder harbor]

Wew

I don't know if I like where this is going but please continue

[muted jolt]

Yeah quit posting i got studying to do

[surreal mica]

This is going exactly where I want it

[tribal current]

does Razer Gydra works in game?

[muted jolt]

Ye

[carmine dew]

I came in, saw daddy, now im leaving

[muted jolt]

Comeback mom

[lean mortar]

Im back

[vocal shard]

Its my childhood, all over again

[muted jolt]

dad left to buy cigarettes and never came back

[lean mortar]

Rip

[vocal shard]

😂

[eager kernel]

How is the razor hydra

[sharp moth]

bad

[solid roost]

@fresh hornet heya, I'm having issues with keyboard not showing up on vrchat too, how did you fix yours?

[paper cloak]

wait, can you use motion controllers without a headset?

[eager kernel]

Lol just saw review of it

It came with whopping one game to do

[opaque star]

Razer LUL

[paper cloak]

like I might be able to afford controllers if I can just use them with my monitor

[surreal mica]

Just strap a laptop to your face

[paper cloak]

no, strap a laptop to each eye

gotta git dat immersion

[surreal mica]

We're going to look like the ADVENT from Xcom

[quiet willow]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 13316 users in VRChat currently

[shy storm]

the dell mixed reality is really solid

[rich ember]

WMR in general is ok

not great, but ok

[lean mortar]

I think it's pretty good

Its just great for the price

[stray canopy]

^^

for the 200 it's been at

it's a steal

[lean mortar]

Yaa

[stray canopy]

you're getting something as good as a rift, if not better in some places

for half the price

[shy storm]

yeah

[lean mortar]

Thats why I got it

[rich ember]

the dell one is 450 on ms website

others are 400 flat

[shy storm]

its great for the price

[paper cloak]

@vocal shard I just realized you'd still have to use the mouse to move the camera, so it wouldn't work lol

[shy storm]

nah the dell is 200 on amazon

[lean mortar]

Well on website

[stray canopy]

the dell one was 200

yeah

i hope to god it stays that way

[lean mortar]

On Amazon its cheaper

[stray canopy]

i don't get paid for another few days

[shy storm]

i got mine for 210

[stray canopy]

why is it so cheap??

[shy storm]

idk

its not cause its bad

[stray canopy]

no i know

[lean mortar]

Might be windows trying to get the platform starting

[stray canopy]

but like.. damn

[shy storm]

i mean its not the best but far from the worst

[lean mortar]

To get a lot of people to vr

[paper cloak]

What are the specs on the Dell?

[stray canopy]

every time i mention the wmr to someone, i get a

"dude just get a vive" back

[lean mortar]

Lol

[stray canopy]

well, i would pick the vive in a heartbeat had i had the option

and all of them were the same price

[lean mortar]

They are so diffrent

[shy storm]

i dont know the specs but the resolution is better than that of the og vive

[stray canopy]

but the vive is a cool 700

[rich ember]

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Virtual-Reality-Controllers-Compatible/dp/B077R65C4D/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1516217310&sr=8-2&keywords=windows+mixed+reality

there is the dell wmr

[stray canopy]

yeah, the rez on the wmr is better than the rift

[lean mortar]

I bought the lenovo one

[stray canopy]

all of them

[lean mortar]

Couldn't buy the Dell one

[rich ember]

dunno why M$ shop has it at near twice the price

[stray canopy]

the wmr headsets have to follow a guideline

[shy storm]

not to mention it looks great

[stray canopy]

the comapnies do everything else

[lean mortar]

And heard the lenovo is really good

[shy storm]

yeah'

[stray canopy]

asus was decent too

[west mango]

HTC vive works best

[timid nimbus]

I just got my lenovo yesterday.

[shy storm]

But its 600 bucks sam

[stray canopy]

dude, it better work the best

for 700

[lean mortar]

Yaa its one of the best wmr headsets I heard @vocal shard

[shy storm]

oh

wow 100 off

[west mango]

True but ask daddy for his credit card

[tepid burrow]

@rich ember sorry for tagging you, but im guessing it works just fine with vrchat and other things right? The headset you linked to?

[stray canopy]

it's like

[lean mortar]

Just save me from shipping ploz

[paper cloak]

@timid nimbus how is it?

[lean mortar]

I can't take the wait

[stray canopy]

700 dollars is about the sum of all of my monthly bills together

[shy storm]

what i like about WMR is how it auto turns on when you put it on your head

[stray canopy]

so would i rather lose my house, not have electric, and go hungry

[rich ember]

@tepid burrow yup, works fine, arms get wonky when camera can't see controllers though

[stray canopy]

but have a vr headset?

[west mango]

Oh my dad got me one for free from work lmao

[stray canopy]

...possibly

[timid nimbus]

the image quality on the lenovo is top tier from every review ive seen, and i can agree everything looks REALLY good in it. the controller tracking is the only slightly poor thing as if the controller goes out of your vision for to long it stops tracking.

[tepid burrow]

Ah yeah I heard about that Mert

[shy storm]

sounds pretty alright

[lean mortar]

Yaa but its a minor problem

[timid nimbus]

yesterday i was talking to some people and my hand just disappeared cuz i dropped it to my lap for to long.

[lean mortar]

Not the end of the world

[tepid burrow]

That's why im looking into the windows ones? they say you can use them behind your back just fine too lol

[stray canopy]

yeah, the wmr controllers i've seen have been compared to wii motes

[shy storm]

for the dell, what i have, it does the same thing but it barely breaks immersion

[stray canopy]

the original ones

[timid nimbus]

the WMR cant go behind your back, they are tracked by the headsets cameras.

[stray canopy]

they track acceleration and angle

[lean mortar]

It works well enough if you don't do it for a long time

[stray canopy]

all that stuff

but not exact location

at least when they're out of sight of the cameras

[lean mortar]

If its a short behind the back grab it works really well

[shy storm]

it works pretty good though

[stray canopy]

^^

[rich ember]

@tepid burrow the dell headset is Windows Mixed reality

Windows does not actually make anything

[lean mortar]

And you can always you know

Look behind you

[tepid burrow]

hmm

ill have to save it

[rich ember]

they made the platform that acer/asus/dell/hp/samsung

they all use it

[lean mortar]

And fujima

(In the future)

[vocal shard]

Is this where i can get support for VRChat character uploading problems?

[tepid burrow]

Mert may I add you as a friend in case I have a question later ;;v;; you seem to know much more than I do

[stray canopy]

i'm just hoping the rift / vive / both go down in price soon because of the wmr headsets

[timid nimbus]

i think i may have my bluetooth censor in a poor spot, ive been told also to move it to a usb 2.0 for better results.

[stray canopy]

so i can snag one with my TAX INCOME MONEY BOIS

[lean mortar]

@celest heart Nah its not a real problem

The wmr controllers use htc vive and oculus settings

[timid nimbus]

from a bunch of reviews of head sets your not suppose to have the bluetooth censor and headset plugged into the same hub.

[lean mortar]

Its like a windows peresite

[vocal shard]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/933802598690076290/D5FB209D297B73EC6A0C260E2C88840468C25EB3/

public room with 36 people
higher beings (non anime) vs lower beings (anime)
dodgeball

[lean mortar]

Hek

[shy storm]

hek

[timid nimbus]

^ thats amazing

so far the hardest thing to master in VR is hand gestures

i look like im throwing gang signs constantly.

[surreal mica]

That must be dope

[lean mortar]

Same

[timid nimbus]

internally im just like "IDK WTF IM DOING WITH MY FINGERS"

[lean mortar]

I have an avatar with an always existing sword

Gonna be fun slashing people down

[timid nimbus]

i have a custom Yami Yugi

[vocal shard]

i made an avatar with and without gun sound/animation bcs i keep accidently triggering it

[timid nimbus]

^ thats my worry once i put in some card summoning effects i wanna do ill just be doing it as im walking somewhere

peace sign, rock n roll, finger guns, point, finger guns, peace sign, thumbs up, peace sign

at the moment im lookin to make a new world. since my avatar world is finished other then adding more avatars

[tepid burrow]

@timid nimbus what headset do you use? Is it expensive? >:

[untold basalt]

Is there any way to favorite worlds?

[velvet quarry]

Not yet, but the developers marked it as a planned feature.

[untold basalt]

Oh great. That’s definitely a must have.

The devs must have their hands so full rn

I feel bad for rhem

[crystal epoch]

@velvet quarry I'm scared that your avatar is gonna scream at me.

[velvet quarry]

It's just keeping an eye out 👀

[vocal shard]

Is there like a group or guild thing in vrchat?

Are servers still weird

Seems like no

I just joined in no problems

[fickle plinth]

when i wish i could talk to VR Pill but can't

[languid flicker]

he was around earlier

but not responding to msgs

[velvet quarry]

Pill's a busy fella

[fickle plinth]

ok

[languid flicker]

ik hope he isnt burnt out

[vocal shard]

Can you form groups in Vrchat?

[fickle plinth]

well i just made a discord that is going to find all the Hackers if that is the last thing i do to keep VRChat going

[vocal shard]

a dude changed avatar and crashed my game

lmao

he was a knuckles

[frail viper]

how do i add a dab emote on a model

[tepid burrow]

of course he was haha

[frail viper]

i must have it

[fickle plinth]

i would give the discord but i don't know were to put it

[tepid burrow]

random chat?

[velvet quarry]

Discord links are currently not allowed, and get automatically removed.

[tepid burrow]

oop nvm

[fickle plinth]

ok i did put rules aswell that state if you don't want to be randomly banned by hackers leave discord because it's a suicide/ban/kick mission

just because of hackers

so am going into VRChat so yolo

[eager ledge]

Sooo we went from no longer allowed to upload pictures, to no longer allowed to even share pictures at all? FeelsBadMan

At least emotes from other servers are allowed again. ^^

[fickle plinth]

i only show reported players if i can

[raven silo]

@fickle plinth if you see hacker send in your output log it collect info on them to #moderation-reports

[fickle plinth]

gotcha

i'll try my best

can i atleast put the code to the discord??

[eager ledge]

randomly banned by hackers? Hackers can't ban people... <.<

[raven silo]

they can steal avoid till they add hardware ban on vrchat

@eager ledge it fake messenge just restart vrchat

[velvet quarry]

@fickle plinth Nope, handle that sort of thing through direct messages if you must.

[eager ledge]

I know it is. fake stories go around way to fast.

[fickle plinth]

will do

thanks for helping out Afromana aswell

[raven silo]

@eager ledge well got to point one person was able enable mod tag

[eager ledge]

Probably part of the name change visuals. Aka still no actual mod priviledge

[muted jolt]

VRPill didnt have that

[trim hamlet]

They can toggle it

[muted jolt]

Okie dokie artichoke

Yeah recently a few hackers been saying “do you wanna die” and if you respond yes, theyll delete your player model.

[eager ledge]

Just for clarification, Senior chat mods do not have any priviledge in-game right? Only VRchat team?

[haughty parrot]

Delete?

[velvet quarry]

We do not handle anything ingame no.

[eager ledge]

Ok, ty.

[velvet quarry]

@muted jolt In what sense do you mean "Delete"

[muted jolt]

Like you cant move, cant open menu

Nobody sees you and nobody hears you

[haughty parrot]

There were 2 giant naked men swordfighting yesterday

[eager ledge]

Pretty sure they can only delete the avatar from their own personal selection.

[regal sedge]

@haughty parrot define "swordfighting"....

[glacial reef]

lol

[eager ledge]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[crystal epoch]

VRChat is honestly not worth playing once you look at what people can actually do to other clients. It's GTA Online all over again.

[glacial reef]

I just can't get over toxic people with repetitve memes

ruined the experience when every room is the same

[muted jolt]

The guy who deleted me was a half naked man with an exaggerated bulge and cat ears.

[haughty parrot]

Then one of them turned into a giant dog

And...

[crystal epoch]

all

[glacial reef]

don't fuck with someones avatar

[quiet willow]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 13536 users in VRChat currently

[muted jolt]

I dont really care all my avatars i upload to Deviant Art

[haughty parrot]

I pressed the cry for help button but noone came

[inland root]

3w*/98/

[eager ledge]

K: Teleport that player out of the map
L: Hold to lag the selected user and crash their game
That's the worse thing they can do to other people...

[inland root]

hi

[cedar granite]

@queen ice please don't discuss exploits

[inland root]

please don't the don't

[crystal epoch]

If we ignore it, maybe it'll go away.

[inland root]

should be addressed instead of pushed away

yes

[vocal shard]

Found a dude with a ryuko av lol

His looked way bettet

[keen chasm]

Sweeping dirt under a rug is disgusting

[muted jolt]

Yeah I feel back for the exploiters, I honestly think they need someone to talk too thats why they lash out

[charred scroll]

well, they gotta do that themselves, we cant force em

[glacial reef]

that they are aids?

[keen chasm]

Kinda like forcing memes

[inland root]

@queen ice agreed

[keen chasm]

I say these words so it must be used

[inland root]

There's always some that just do it for malicious intent

but you know

[glacial reef]

everything can be exploited

the problem is the people who do it

[inland root]

Maybe it just means hello, this is vulnerable, please fix

[eager ledge]

Pretty sure it's just mostly the aftermath of the knuckles cancer invasion.
People that join the game because of some stupid meme, they have no idea what they are doing and are too dumb to create their own avatars. So they look up new ways to entertain themselves.

[charred scroll]

^

[muted jolt]

Avatar uploading aint hard though

Finding exploits would seem harder to do

[keen chasm]

In smaller words I'm bored let's poke the game till it bruises

[eager ledge]

Downloading exploits though...

[quiet willow]

if only people have ultimate patience and act like them hackers dont exist, u know? play ignorant

[glacial reef]

kinda hard to ignore them when they spawn the whole room on them

[quiet willow]

them trouble maker like it when people troubled by their actions

[burnt locust]

Hello 😄

[inland root]

play ignorant

thats not gonna work 🤔

but okay

[vocal shard]

A pig is harrasing me OH GOD

[glacial reef]

we tried to ignore the knuckles

we got more

[quiet willow]

well, at least on the outside, and just calmly do the report

[burnt locust]

guys I need your help by answering this question if you don't all mind it will really help me a ot

[inland root]

oh yeah that 😂

[quiet willow]

act like they dont matter

[inland root]

rip egt tho

[burnt locust]

yesterday have you guys ran into any arabic people in Presentation Room ?

[sharp moth]

@burnt locust just ask the question, don't askt o ask

[burnt locust]

@sharp moth ok xD

[eager ledge]

<@&397642795457970181> Discussion of hacks? ^

[sharp moth]

get over yourself

[eager ledge]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[burnt locust]

i just posted up there if by any chance someone saw them or if there is any arabic people here i want to meet them

since i never meet any arabic people in vrchat but only me xD

[tepid raptor]

bans aren't gonna do shit anyway

"xaxachingq1" joins room, stars hacking.
"xaxachingq1" gets banned.
"xaxachingq2" joins room, starts hacking.
🤔

[quiet willow]

first time hearing about arabic people

[covert chasm]

I've met a few Arabic-speaking people in VRC 😄

[burnt locust]

I didn't know there are someone speak arabic there , i was in the presentation room and it was lagging for me so i couldn't see their name or anything

[covert chasm]

we have players from all across the world, its pretty nuts

[quiet willow]

well, maybe cus of my time zone

[eager ledge]

Naming specific hacks kind of helps people to look them up, don't you think?

[burnt locust]

i just heard them talking and i wanted to tlk with them but i couldn't

[vocal shard]

where is quique's avatars dimension

i haven't seen it in days

[burnt locust]

@covert chasm are they usually in 1 place ??

like you saw them in a specific server ?

[covert chasm]

I mean, usually? People who speak the same language tend to group up since they can talk to each other. 😛

[trim hamlet]

Just putting this out there, if you have anything to report send it to [e-mail], thanks ^^

[covert chasm]

yes, that too. Please don't post info on hacks/cheats/whatever in this Discord. It's a good way to get banned pretty quick. Just send your info to [e-mail]

[vocal shard]

im so upset that this world is no more

[quiet willow]

and sitting here's one dude who have never met his own kin yet

[eager ledge]

The harder you make it for them, the less likely they will find it.

[polar bone]

Where do I find the logs?

[covert chasm]

Yes, barbaric isn't it

[burnt locust]

@covert chasm well all the people i know they don't play vrchat , so i kind felt happy seeing others in vrchat

[floral flax]

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt

[covert chasm]

@torn hawk

[inland root]

soon

[trim hamlet]

Tupper give us changelogs

[inland root]

hotfix soon

[crystal epoch]

Ayyy!

[surreal mica]

The changelogs are stacking up

[eager ledge]

Now I'm off to test my adorable chibi avatar. brb

[quiet willow]

well, but maybe im glad that i dont see much of my own people. Im afraid of my own community getting cancerous

[spiral tide]

the gulag

[crystal epoch]

You know I'm suprised that I've not seen a Pepe avatar yet.

No doubt there is, just odd that I've not seen one.

[surreal mica]

Knuckles is the pepe of our kind

[covert chasm]

"Pepe" avatars fall under our Politics and Religion section of the Community Guidelines. https://vrchat.com/community

tl;dr: those avatars are fine as long as you keep them in private instances where everyone is ok with you using the avatar.

[eager ledge]

Wew, emoji's from other servers aren't even allowed now? FeelsBadMan

[covert chasm]

If they're in public rooms you'll probably catch a swift kick in the butt.

[stoic goblet]

Anyone know what channel to ask help from if you have a problem with weapon animations?

[trim hamlet]

they work for me

[spiral tide]

:Okay:

[covert chasm]

Pepe emojis aren't permitted here as explicitly laid out in the #rules

[velvet quarry]

@eager ledge #rules #16

[timid nimbus]

thats all i got, left shark lol

[vocal shard]

are we allowed to live

[spiral tide]

lol

[covert chasm]

Yes, encouraged even

[spiral tide]

HOW DOES IT KNOW WHAT IS PEPE

:/

[tall monolith]

Guys what the bloody heck, simmer down

[eager ledge]

I'm badly informed on memes. I had no idea pepe was related to religion?

[trim hamlet]

Tupper is typing...

[covert chasm]

Without getting bogged down into details or debate about it (because its a rule, it simply isn't up for debate), it falls under the political icons rule. Same reason a DMC or GOP symbol emote wouldn't be permitted here

[tall monolith]

You're typing like maniacs

Simmer down

[covert chasm]

i have a 120WPM ok i can't help it

[trim hamlet]

Way to brag

[covert chasm]

[eager ledge]

I see. good to know for future ference. Aka won't be used here then.

[covert chasm]

that's all we ask. 😄 thanks for understanding.

[vocal shard]

say why is vrchat so heavy on the cpu

welp

[tacit plank]

Tupper

[wheat condor]

120wpm seems unlikely

[crystal epoch]

Why do the rules against Pepe trigger me?

[tacit plank]

You know where that emoticon is from right?

[haughty parrot]

Whats wpm

[covert chasm]

@vocal shard https://vrcat.club/threads/what-is-optimization-and-why-is-it-important.65

[eager kernel]

words per minute

[tacit plank]

Your :smug:

[wheat condor]

words per minute

[crystal epoch]

@wheat condor is my waifu

[haughty parrot]

Oh

[covert chasm]

@tacit plank I know precisely where it is from

[tacit plank]

😄 I see you're a man of culture as well

[trim hamlet]

[eager ledge]

[trim hamlet]

tupper with the self promotion

[covert chasm]

@tacit plank i'm an oldbie, i've been here all summer

[haughty parrot]

You better take responsibility tupper

[covert chasm]

[crystal epoch]

[quiet willow]

holy crap, there's a proper map with proper knuckle avatars!!

[surreal mica]

Are you guys considering raising the Tri limit for avatars in the near future?

[tacit plank]

😛

[covert chasm]

There's no considerations at this time for that @surreal mica

[surreal mica]

Aww, darn

[meager sundial]

Someone know tutors how to rig model for mmd (i cant rig model in blender, maybe in mmd will be easy)

[covert chasm]

@celest heart Moderators do not police private instances unless they are requested.

[trim hamlet]

Cats' plugin auto decimation is super helpful by the way

[crystal epoch]

But do police police police?

[covert chasm]

@crystal epoch its ok, i watch the watchers

[haughty parrot]

???

[eager ledge]

I'm sure you hear this all the time Tupper, but I just want to let you know your tutorials are awesome.
totally not sucking up to you

[trim hamlet]

police police police police police police police police

[eager ledge]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[haughty parrot]

Who polices the police policers

[surreal mica]

The people, my dude

[vocal shard]

What

[eager ledge]

[vocal shard]

Omg

[haughty parrot]

90?

[meager sundial]

So now Strip Club private room allowed?

[vocal shard]

Lmao

[knotty glacier]

Do we really want that.

[tacit plank]

The group I hang out with average like 22-23

[eager ledge]

You mean: 90% of VRchat INGAME = kids. 90% of Vrchat IRL = neckbeard.

[whole lodge]

@knotty glacier yes

[crystal epoch]

@covert chasm There's a checkbox to mark avatars as NSFW before uploading, was a toggle to hide avatars flagged as NSFW ever in the works?

[surreal mica]

I am an anime in the game, I am the anime in real life

[whole lodge]

What are we talking about now.?

[vocal shard]

Lol

[burnt locust]

guys if my name in vrchat is long will it all appear ?

[trim hamlet]

The checkboxes never have served a purpose

[crystal epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/hsIatBj.png

[burnt locust]

like 20 words

[haughty parrot]

Why do I always see it as prof. Snake

[burnt locust]

*20 letter

[velvet quarry]

@burnt locust I've seen some names cut off, so I imagine there's a certain length limit.

Your name can be long, but the nametag box won't show all of it.

[trim hamlet]

There's a character cutoff, but the social menu displays everything

[covert chasm]

@crystal epoch That checkbox, for the moment, does nothing.

[tacit plank]

If your name is too long, it will only display some of the characters, but you can click them and press "info" to get full name

I need to up my writing speed

[burnt locust]

ok thank you all

[haughty parrot]

Also, I want to know Tupper, Snep, and afro favorite kanmusu

[vernal cave]

is it unpossible again to upload or was there a new SDK?

[covert chasm]

I usually spend about 2-3 hours a day parsing emails. @torn hawk

That time grows daily

[trim hamlet]

Tupper works hard

[haughty parrot]

Whats parsing

[trim hamlet]

so much so that he barely gets in vr now

[eager ledge]

Worst part of any job: Ticket/email handling

[covert chasm]

Reading them, answering, doing support

[quiet willow]

kudos for tupper's hardwork

[crystal epoch]

The first time I ever emailed [e-mail] the response time was pretty fast. So 10/10 on that.

[covert chasm]

I try to stick on top of it, but its mostly me doing the emails at the moment

so it goes in sprints

[tacit plank]

Sounds like a lot of work

[eager ledge]

Wait... Job.... VRchat team is voluntairly right?

[tacit plank]

Do you guys get paid Tupper?

[covert chasm]

No. I am an employee of VRChat

[trim hamlet]

Chat mods are voluntary, tupper is paid :>

[covert chasm]

yes, that

[eager ledge]

I see. That is very interesting.

[covert chasm]

purple people (eaters) are volunteers that were asked to help

[trim hamlet]

HEY

[tacit plank]

I'm not going to claim that you aren't working hard, but I'd love to have your job

[trim hamlet]

I ONLY EAT SOME PEOPLE

[keen chasm]

Getting paid for vrchat? The future is now

[covert chasm]

is that so

[trim hamlet]

[haughty parrot]

Eating?

[tacit plank]

I'd prefer it if I didn't have to interact with the real world again, really

[crystal epoch]

So this is Tupper? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0cG11lTS1E

[eager ledge]

But this strikes my curiousity. If VRchat has paid personel, then how does VRchat earn the money to pay said personel?

[glacial reef]

[trim hamlet]

Investors

[haughty parrot]

What is eating

[eager ledge]

Hmm

[vocal shard]

urgat.exe

[dire prism]

are the servers down again

[haughty parrot]

What does it mean

[visual zealot]

right when I uploaded

[haughty parrot]

Eating

[covert chasm]

@visual zealot you did it you broke it

[marble hare]

cant login what happened again

[trim hamlet]

[visual zealot]

Do I get a trophy?

[weak frost]

yeah something is wrong

[covert chasm]

[trim hamlet]

Guys tupper broke the servers!!

[visual zealot]

[covert chasm]

it was me sorry

oops

[velvet quarry]

riot

[trim hamlet]

[quiet willow]

crap, in all honesty, im so scared of public place that i turned into an texture-less bunny avatar now

[vocal shard]

[weak frost]

i cant believe youve done this

[glacial reef]

[crystal epoch]

[terse finch]

oh noes

[vocal shard]

What happened this time?

[trim hamlet]

Tupper, you weren't supposed to eat that wire!

[haughty parrot]

[eager ledge]

I almost wanted to post a REEE emote but then I figured even that is pepe.

[covert chasm]

q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tacit plank]

Can I break things too? I always break things. Not intentionally, software just has some personal problem with me

[opaque star]

hate symbol 😡

[crystal epoch]

@eager ledge Don't worry I got you covered I have a non-pepe ree

[covert chasm]

me too

[trim hamlet]

[proud folio]

rip servers

[eager ledge]

[tacit plank]

I have yet to play a game without encountering at least half the possible bugs, and discovering half the possible exploits, it's like a curse

[haughty parrot]

I wish i could use other servers emotes

[trail torrent]

rip again

[vocal shard]

S E R V E R M A C H I N E B R O K E

[crystal epoch]

[charred scroll]

well, everytime i first start a game it crashes for me lel

[placid umbra]

[tacit plank]

I played VR chat for a few days before I accidentally discovered how to fly around

[charred scroll]

upload works fine but world switching is broken

[opaque star]

give me ree

[trim hamlet]

[charred scroll]

ok O_o

[weak frost]

how do you fly

[proud folio]

fly around?

[eager ledge]

REEE ?

[twilit basin]

Uh

[charred scroll]

you gotta have a custom avatar for it

its not that fun doe

[tacit plank]

yeah, you jump at least 40 times a second, and then press W about twice a second

[vocal shard]

[twilit basin]

i can't log in 😠

[tacit plank]

You will keep jumping upwards

[visual zealot]

just log in harder