vrchat-general-2

[noble depot]

wait until it's daytime in the US

[mild harbor]

General 2 has always been the more decent channel, go inside gen 1 with some form of wording you are against EAC and you get shat on rofl

[vocal shard]

LOL

[glass spade]

ong past midnight it's fuckin crickets 💀

[mild harbor]

It is 10:43 here atm xD

[vocal shard]

Thinking about the human instinct to want to be outraged, the human instinct to pretend to care, and the human instinct to want to be a part of something

[scenic dust]

Ughhh all I can say is I'm glad I haven't met some of those annoying kids from general in VRC

[mild harbor]

If u did you would probably block them.immediatly

I did see that vrchat added every single feature people whined about minus the amd boost thing, but if you need that to run a game.... concider upgrading really rofl

[scenic dust]

Yeah despite me not fully agreeing with all that EAC idea I still don't get why people love to jump on a hate wagon.

[mild harbor]

Worse part, i saw a 5 year old joke about lung cancer and heart cancer and other deceases.... im honestly worried about the generation

Yeh, i wish vrchat would add community people with a special rank who could server wide give out mutes xD

But that is a bit hard to do haha

[worldly lintel]

boob

[copper elbow]

Milk

[visual lintel]

boobs i'm awake finally

[calm cove]

How do I enable slow mode??

[grave haven]

What do you mean? Slowmode is something that is enabled by the moderators.

[calm cove]

UHM

sorry i'm new to disc 💀

[grave haven]

No worries!

[meager spear]

so they decided to add functions that will make communication (the point of vrchat) even more difficult, sound nice

[grave haven]

If you are still referring to the slowdowns, they were fully justified. Yesterday it was extremely spamming in both general chats.

[meager spear]

nop, i'm talking about the conversation dome, solo audio and local audio

now you'll go to people and be like "hi" "hello" and just get probably completely ignored cuz they will not hear you

[unkempt comet]

It is a big deal. VRC is only doing things after intense pressure by tens of thousands of people. Where was this care when they failed to implement these features for years prior?

[noble depot]

sigh

[bronze marlin]

I thought those were things people were complaining about losing? The entire point is to make it easier to hear a specific person/group of people so you can focus on the conversation

[open crescent]

Lmaoooo the tantrum gang strikes again

[unkempt comet]

sigh what?

[visual lintel]

mute the discord or go on dnd

[meager spear]

yes true, but just go on a private like...

[visual lintel]

your banner fire

[meager spear]

or mute people that annoy you, it has always been like this

[unkempt comet]

lol wut?

[bronze marlin]

I mean you could, but pressing a button is easier

[meager spear]

@visual lintel thx bro
@bronze marlin fair i guess, we will see how it goes

[safe inlet]

So what's the trick to get people in VRchat to socialize with you? Keep in mind I have zero social experience out of VRchat as well, so.

[visual lintel]

ofc

[bronze marlin]

I have hope that things will continue to get better. VRC has pretty much always been the dominant platform, and it will continue to be a popular option moving forward. With more QoL features in two weeks and more on the way I’m honestly pretty excited for the future of the game.

[meager spear]

there are no tricks so far, just don't give a fuck and go and talk

[unkempt comet]

Where did they say two weeks? I was unaware of any time frames they gave

[safe inlet]

Too hard. It feels rude to just insert myself into a conversation, and I never know what to talk about either -- I usually go off what others say.

[meager spear]

yeah same tbh

[bronze marlin]

I may be mistaken but I thought that was the timeframe given in the recent dev logs

[unkempt comet]

If you can point to it sure, but afaik they never gave dates

[meager spear]

well also true but it's not trust me, (ofc it depends on the way you are doing it) like rn for example you are talking to me

[safe inlet]

Text is different. Using my voice is scary.

[meager spear]

just wave like i usually do, and then when you'll feel comfortable just unmute and try to say hi, it's always a big surprise, at least for me

[bronze marlin]

Like I said, I may be mistaken, but the quote from the post was “Approximately two weeks of development was laid out.” It may come out a bit later, but it should be dropping sooner rather than later.

[safe inlet]

Now how do I get to the point I wave at someone? Usually in social worlds I just kinda listen to people and would have to be like jumping in their face to wave at someone. I also use a small avatar.

[unkempt comet]

Yeah, two weeks of work sure, but that could really mean anything. There could be delays and they likely won't release all of those features at once

[meager spear]

most of the people will just look at mirrors, you don't need to jump and their face, just be on their side and wave at the mirror kinda looking at them

[open crescent]

Just get fbt and start dancing in public

[safe inlet]

Is there a way to get people to talk to / interact with me first? 'cause going first is kinda nerve wracking

And I'm too poor for FBT

[meager spear]

i guess just stay there, and maybe they notice you? i did this thing with my name choice for example

[modern mural]

Can't get touched in vrchat 😭

[grave haven]

I would recommend going to calmer worlds, like Iris Garden. Avoid hyperactive worlds like Black Cat.

[meager spear]

fax

[safe inlet]

So far I've just been hopping to worlds that sound interesting. Walk around, listen to conversations for a bit if it's a social world, then hop to another. Some are calm, some are crazy. I kinda like the noise.

[grave haven]

Fax?

[meager spear]

like: you are right

[bronze marlin]

Ah, fair enough. I hadn’t really considered the other potential issues pre-release. Now that I think about it, two weeks being laid out doesn’t mean that there won’t be more, so that’s my b. Even still, the stock game will be improving a lot soon. In my personal view it looks like brighter days are ahead.

[grave haven]

[meager spear]

you are confusing me

[grave haven]

You started it! I am still confused why you suddenly said "fax"

[safe inlet]

They were saying you're right, calm worlds are nice. Fax is slang for "facts" Er, I pinged the wrong person, but you get the gist Foorack

[meager spear]

it was to say that you were right by saying that

[grave haven]

Ohh, I am not catching up with all of this slang.

[meager spear]

thanks sorry

[grave haven]

The only thing I could think of was a Fax machine. 📠
Or if you were confusing me with a person I know who's called Fax.

[meager spear]

ahah that's fair, i'm sorry didn't mean to confuse you

[grave haven]

[meager spear]

damn Fax is a fire name tbh

[safe inlet]

Yo Foo, can you do that dead emote by itself so it's bigger? I wanna steal it

[meager spear]

[grave haven]

Please don't screenshot it, here's the direct asset: https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/668315744492322837.webp

[meager spear]

mine better

[safe inlet]

Thanks, the higher resolution is better than a screenshot. \o/

[meager spear]

nft emote

[grave haven]

[meager spear]

btw you guys are pretty chill, where are you from

[safe inlet]

Mars

[meager spear]

[pliant harness]

it do be like that

[meager spear]

average chillout enjoyer

[pliant harness]

kinda

[ornate hearth]

i made a mistake, i joined vr chat when i have social anxiety someone just tried to make me go up on the stage in the black cat and i panicked said my game was lagging and left. i would like to be an extrovert please

[meager spear]

damn you good?

[ornate hearth]

yea im ok just shaking atm lmao

[halcyon creek]

What character were u like playing

[ornate hearth]

my avatar? i was just this girl avatar i found in a world i cant post an image here tho

[halcyon creek]

Oh alright then

[vocal shard]

Woah gen 2 is safe(?)

[meager solstice]

First time in a bit

[vocal shard]

Holy

Hopefully stuff calms down, i suggest the entire community smokes a massive blunt and orders pizza

[split zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/dreamy-dreamybullxxx-2022-gif-25339788

[meager solstice]

lol

[umbral reef]

Suggesting drugs to mentally unstable people isnt smart

[meager solstice]

I assume as vrc rolls out these new qol stuff things will slowly roll back to normal.

[vocal shard]

:)

[split zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/606497915287896076/977622661654020116/caption-17.gif

[halcyon creek]

Lol

[vocal shard]

Doesnt have to be thc either :P CBD calms you too~

[meager spear]

straight up fax

[vocal shard]

heh

[vocal shard]

Ayo you guys are chill here general 1 is no a mosh pit

[frank oasis]

Hit general 1 and I don't want to go back lol

[ornate hearth]

one day i'll get drunk on vr chat maybe then my social anxiety will go away 💀

by one day i mean next year but still

[sand beacon]

It's super fun but I made sure to get used to VR for at least a few months before doing it

[halcyon creek]

Ah yes get drunk
The only thing to solve problems and social anxiety

[pliant harness]

i guess its easier to get drunk rather than working on urself

[elfin abyss]

Don't overdo it with alcohol pls. Trust me that will make it worse if you overdo it

[main acorn]

:(

[vague sphinx]

Well until eac is removed ill be staying off vrc its too slow to do anything with my internet anymore

[vocal shard]

same man

[velvet spruce]

Wigma nuts lol

[full sail]

morning waves

[lyric eagle]

Wow, general 2 is literally empty. So happy about that

[olive marten]

Okay, I'm curious. Have people requested having leg anchoring in the suggestions area?

[robust spire]

hello @main acorn 🙂

[main acorn]

:(

[olive marten]

Because if not, I will pop it into suggestions.

[twin obsidian]

Leg anchoring?

[olive marten]

Yes, so that when I look around while laying down, my legs dont swivel around and blind people around me.

[nova gulch]

Hi

That does sound nice

[grim path]

Leg anchoring would be a great feature

[olive marten]

ayo my slow mode is stuck on 00:26 in general 1 lol

[grim path]

Restart discord

[nova gulch]

e

[olive marten]

noice, thank you lol

[grim path]

[devout lion]

Some avatar creators have already added anchoring to avatars but as I know a lot of people don’t use unity just would seem like something you’d want for the QoL

[atomic stream]

Everytime I got drunk in VrChat I had 0 problems with talking to anyone, I just talked and annoyed everyone Xd

[full sail]

This, but aggressive pantomime lmao

[ornate hearth]

i would get therapy but im still living with my parents and they do not believe in it, my doctor tried to get me to go to a therapist but it got refused by my parents, that was like 2 years ago tho

kinda why i downloaded vr chat cause i thought it would help but it just made the anxiety worse 💀

[full sail]

S'okay friend, I'm still Hella anxiety until I've either had a quick drink to ease nerves and general body pains, or some other form of depending-on-your-state possibly legal tipsy. As is my roommate. She goes to therapy, I do not, both outcomes very much the same

[halcyon creek]

I was just joking about the drunk part. And also funny thing I am going to therapy because I almost got shot with a gun because a stranger wanted a dollar

[ornate hearth]

that sounds extremely traumatic, id ask if you're okay but with you needing therapy maybe thats a no

[full sail]

Jeebus...

[snow parrot]

Chicago? Same sort of thing happened to me once as a teen.

[halcyon creek]

And this happened like 2 weeks before.

[halcyon creek]

Nope not Chicago

[grim path]

How did it make it worse 4 u?

[halcyon creek]

It was in Wisconsin near a gas station. I almost got shot near a gas station because some fucking stranger wanted a dollar bill

[ornate hearth]

i think it's because the rooms have quite a large amount of people in them and even though irl i'm terrified of even simply paying for something in a store, i can somewhat overcome that irrational fear because its only one person whereas if there is a line i will panic a lot more. it's most likely the amount of people around me and i just feel like im gonna get judged or something for my personality idk its hard to explain

[grim path]

Oh isee

I personally am the most boring person to talk to ever so im trying to change that in game :)

[halcyon creek]

Goals of changing ig

[vocal shard]

EAC should die

[full sail]

All valid thought processes~

[atomic stream]

[grim path]

This show was a fever dream lmao

[cyan falcon]

Hello Q2

[upbeat bear]

so.. peaceful

[worthy helm]

G2 is bliss, we can talk about other vrchat topics

[bitter talon]

Logging in to VrChat be like:
https://tenor.com/view/vr-virtual-reality-burning-fire-gif-17373130

[upbeat bear]

what feature that they’ve announced are you most excited for?

[vocal shard]

Honestly~I'm most excited for avatar hider. God knows my computer needs it

[worthy helm]

There's sooo many, but honestly I'd have to say avatar culling system finally being added

[upbeat bear]

idk if i could choose a favourite lol, but as a vanilla user finally having captions will be heaven since i’m HoH

[vocal shard]

I'm also pretty happy that they're even adding this stuff natively now. Future VRChat players will definitely be blessed LOL

[worthy helm]

Nice! Glad they are finally adding some accessability for yall 😎👍

[upbeat bear]

it’s gonna be like christmas for players like me lol, no more using a camera as a mirror

[vocal shard]

I just hope the captions aren't like shitty tts like usual programs.. and they're in a comfortable spot to read

[upbeat bear]

one thing i haven’t seen talked about enough tho is the player notes!! i have 1100+ friends, hopefully i forget them less now 🙏

[queen quest]

I'm pretty happy about that myself.

[vocal shard]

Speaking of, I need to go through my friends list and get rid of ones I don't remember lol

[upbeat bear]

i think on the captions mod it had the text under the player
and honestly i need to cull my friends list too but i’ll prob derank to known from getting rid of so many lol

[vocal shard]

I wouldn't think so. How many hours do you have? It also depends on how many avis you got uploaded.

[upbeat bear]

just reached 1k

but i’d prob go from 1100 added to like 100 lol. got 1 avi uploaded too

[vocal shard]

Friends don't actually have that much impact i don't think

But if you get rid of that many, you might derank

[upbeat bear]

yeah, i think i’ll just deal with randoms joining me and spending 10 mins tryna figure out how we met lol

[vocal shard]

Sounds good lmao

[wild bough]

I love this new update! especially the feature where VRchat now takes a solid 10 minutes to finally boot properly!

[safe inlet]

Get a computer from this century

[wild bough]

It didnt do this before the update :U

[safe inlet]

@upbeat bear Oh yo, I know that character in your PFP. Are you the artist I see on DA?

[bitter talon]

It's reviews like this that are really heartbreaking ***"3,864 hours on record. This game saved my life to be honest. I was at a dark spot in my life alone no friends to actively talk to and antisocial as all hell. There were the good times like meeting my best friend and finally finding my footing on who i am. And there were the bad times like dealing with the crashers and hackers and dealing with manipulators. We built walls in the form of anti-crash mods to defend ourselves from those subhumans we built crutches in the form of mods to assist those who have medical problems or poor preforming computers.

300+ friends. All of which varied in many ways. Some were the fearless types ready to take of the pain of life. Some were the gentle type those to ease your burdens and be a shoulder to cry on. Others were the funny type with a joke or a perfectly timed soundboard to make everyone laugh.

1 update. One update just shattered all of this. With the anti-cheat the only people being punished are those who use mods to assist in playing the game. No more better frame rates due to a AI upscale system. No more sign language assistance mods. No more anti-crash the only thing keeping the subhumans at bay. All of it. Gone. Yet the subhumans have free reign of this game now as easy anti-cheat is a easy to bypass system. Its the one ply toilet paper of the gaming world.

Vrchat was a good game. But what killed it was not the hackers or the rippers or the crashers. No it was greed. If it was not for this game i feel like I would of committed suicide with how alone I was before i found this game. I just hope that we don't have to watch it die."*** -Xaven

I just want to be able to play VRChat with my friends again. I want to have fun again. Why are they doing this to us? Does the VRChat team not care? Are they that disconnected with the community to just throw away so many of us like this? We've tried everything to support themYet despite (with only a 1 day notice mind you) have been reaching through support to try and get everyone back. But at this point to many of my friends it is apparent that a good portion of the VRChat Team are completely disconnected from the community and don't know how to care for their player base. I'll be real, waking up to half my friends list effectively banned from the game is not fun. Definetely has caused me to withdraw all funding VRC + accounts I had with VRChat. I will never give the VRC team another dime of my money paying for my friends VRC+ if this is how insensitive the Team is about how they treat their community. What's even worse, well at least for VRChat as a whole, is this has push some of the best VRChat content creators away. I don't believe this will be the "death" of VRChat like everyone says it will be. But it has easily set VRChat back 2-3 years at best. Really all quite sad that they decided to do this.

Apologies for my rant, just feel devastated I can no longer play VRChat with my friends.

[upbeat bear]

haha no i’m not, but i asked permission to use it <3

[lyric eagle]

this. im happy for them

[bitter talon]

Again sorry, but its really heartbreaking not being able to play VRChat that made my day so bright and wonderful.

[lyric eagle]

not to be kind of a dick, but im not sure how friendly your friends really were with you if they care more about their fun lil mods than they care about you...

Think about how insensitive your friends are that they can't suck up not being able to fly around just so they can spend time with you

dont go blaming vrchat devs because your either a) refuse to leave and go spend time with your friends or b) dont have good enough friends who are willing to stick with you to a platform

[gritty condor]

Outstanding post

[vocal shard]

Bit overdramatic no?

[lyric eagle]

very.

[gritty condor]

You didn’t read it obviously. The mods were for protection from scumbags. Not flying around

[lyric eagle]

I read the post. It doesnt really matter what the mods were for. what matters is that their friends abandoned them and the poster refused to go with their friends, and now they're malding like a baby

[pearl hemlock]

[umbral reef]

Really sounds like ahole friends, nothing stopping anyone from hiding in there private world with a giant mirror in front...
At best the performance mods could make a impact then but if your friends really cared they would optimize there avatar so all could play.

[pearl hemlock]

[cyan falcon]

Hows the lovely Q2 doing today

[gritty condor]

27k players aren’t wrong. The devs are. Eac was and never will be needed in a social platform.

[umbral reef]

Aith but wrong take

[pearl hemlock]

[cyan falcon]

I can't wait for the personal mirror so when Im in a smaller world I can have my own mirror thats not my camera

[jagged leaf]

No, these friends did the right thing by abandoning a platform that clearly gives a shit to what the community (that includes these friends) has to say. A lot of my friends didn't mod and left in an instant.

[gray narwhal]

LMAO

[lyric eagle]

Here's the population graphs over the last 3 weeks. Argue against that. https://imgur.com/a/VkRRjGC

[pearl hemlock]

I thought that website got taken down?

[umbral reef]

Give it 3 weeks and he will be back or wont touch VR at all anymore then

[cyan falcon]

Morning/Afternoon Disko!

[lyric eagle]

https://metrics.vrchat.community/?orgId=1&from=now-7d&to=now

[gray narwhal]

People fr need to get over the update, I’m sure the company will roll out more things to better manage it, but we’ve all seen crashers in nearly every public lobby, they’re approaching it carefully without making too much room for mistake and more than likely will implement something beneficial once the kinks are worked out

[cyan falcon]

is an i supposed to be missing in your name?

[jagged leaf]

Seeing how the VRChat Team has now announced several mod features as coming officially after they were backed into a corner shows that they clearly didn't think this through despite the fact that this whole sitation was super predictable. They are in super damage control and are scared now.

[gray narwhal]

They probably had it planned from the beginning but people act like animals and can’t be patient

[lyric eagle]

ugh, i thought it would be over today, but all the braindead people seem to be waking up.

Also morning @cyan falcon

[jagged leaf]

Which slowly dwindles the already small community and userbase that VR in general has.

[worthy helm]

Nah, they are just adding features people wanted

[ruby needle]

@bitter talon AMD FSR is not a false flag actually.
Virtual Desktop works just fine with the Steam VR Version of VRChat.

[gritty condor]

27k players aren’t wrong. The devs are. Eac was and never will be needed in a social platform. Your graph has nothing to do with that fact. I won’t argue with your graph lol

[cyan falcon]

This is why I'm ignoring them.
@worthy helm Morning my lovely timberjack of a looking sir!

[pearl hemlock]

Nah, that’s how my name is spelled

[gray narwhal]

27k can in fact be wrong because 1/4th of this world is just awful

[jagged leaf]

AFTER they majorly fucked up and are literally forced to. They are in damage control, if you think otherwise you are wrong.

[worthy helm]

Tell me about it lmao and morning @cyan falcon

Timberjacks a new one lol!

[bitter talon]

Maybe. Just been rough, VRC has been the only way for me to hang with my family and friends for the past year due to my international travel. Now I can't really see my family and friends like I use to. We still call, but thats far from sitting next to each other in VRC.

[ruby needle]

It'll come back.

[gray narwhal]

People expect too much in such a short time imo

[cyan falcon]

Ah. Understanding
@worthy helm how is my close to soda pop looking name, today?

[gray narwhal]

Why can’t you see them? What’s stopping you?

[cyan falcon]

Morning/Afternoon!

[umbral reef]

Been a 2017 VR owner and kinda lost hope the last few years not because of the games but the headsets itself.
The market is extremely unstable anyway just because of the headsets even if its growing like crazy.
VRC's impact on the VR users we mean is really just keeping them around while they would drop VR otherwise, so its not that dramatic if they leave

[jagged leaf]

The fact that VRChat was the only platform to hang out in a somewhat direct way. Now that everyone is gone he can only call them via Discord.

[bold sable]

youre trying harder than ill do in my english test

[worthy helm]

Makin breakfast then getting ready to head back into the pit known as blender and unity

Hbu?

[gray narwhal]

Everyone is gone what, I still have roughly the same amount of people online anytime I log in, only a little lower I used to have 120 or so online each night now it’s around 100

[jagged leaf]

Other platforms are now scrambling to get something of a working state together because no one expected VRChat to mess up this bad causing a massive influx in other platforms.

[lyric eagle]

Yeah, VRC population is only slightly lower. People are overreacting

[gray narwhal]

Iit’s lower cause the fake rumors of the data breach

[cyan falcon]

Updating my models again, I'm trying hard to get the bow to wanna fire x.x not sure what I'm doing wrong but I'll get it to work somehow. Also had breakfast with cut potatos, sausage, rice, onions and green peppers.

[worthy helm]

Plus they'll be back in a week lol

[gritty condor]

Nope wrong again. It’s almost the entirety of the active user base.

[pearl hemlock]

[full sail]

Oh dear

[jagged leaf]

Population here, population there. User count doesn't matter. Whats really going on is that VRC lost a lot of subscriptions and that's what hurts them.

[worthy helm]

Sounds good! Yeah I'm trying to have my frying pan turn into a crit pan when I activate it with a trigger and change sound effect. It broke last night so back to the drawing board lol

[idle estuary]

Mods don't stop crashers.

[gray narwhal]

Alright Donald trump

[umbral reef]

good thing they have never been it for the money

[bold sable]

people will eventually return to vrchat
theres simply no possible alternatives

[jagged leaf]

Those (like me) who do not have a subscription to cancel to express disagreement look for other ways of expressing (either via feedback, reviews, reddit, forums, media or if none of all of these apply, simply staying off)

[gritty condor]

Uhh ok ? Lol

[cyan falcon]

No you aren't you are just a bun.
@worthy helm Oh that sucks >: I hate when I work on something hard and it breaks in vr.

[fathom lark]

They literally need money to host servers and get investors lol

[gray narwhal]

Oh so I don’t have over 1000 added, only 959

[bold sable]

you can say chillout vr or something but
whos gonna guarantee chillout vr wont do the same shit like vrchat did?

[jagged leaf]

But since money is all that counts (and people will realize that) most people will eventully come back since it doesn't matter anyway.

[gilded slate]

I've been in it for the community. The EAC bs is fucking it up cuz friends have mods where they can play it with disabilities...

[idle estuary]

given the demand rn one (hopefully) might be created or expanded on. People just want an open social platform.

[gritty condor]

The devs sold out the community that made the game successful for them.

[worthy helm]

What sucks is testing a lot of phys bone stuff requires going into VR lmao but hey, getting there lmao

[umbral reef]

Yea but they aint hungry for it, for sure hurts the growth of the platform and with that the leading VR pusher.
But its not like they are desperate for money and make all there choises because of it.
They never have been and taking a risky stance like they did with EAC just shows that even more

[gray narwhal]

I think they did a good job in preventing trolls tbh, it was getting to the point public worlds were unusable

[cyan falcon]

XD This is why Im glad I got my Quest 2 because I can just pop the thing on and test and get off.

[idle estuary]

disabling mods doesn't stop crashers and trolls. if anything its going to empower them.

[gritty condor]

Correct

[gray narwhal]

A lot of mods are used to cause these issues too, unless you’re gonna tell us that doesn’t exist, which go ahead you can say that

[idle estuary]

things like avatar hider etc helped mitigate the problem. by isolating the community and not allowing them to mitigate harmful folks with mods they are leaving out high and dry to just deal with it.

[bitter talon]

Biggest issue right now is my cousin did use a modded client in order to get a playable fps using VRC. Unmodded he sat at a dismal 10-20fps on low demanding worlds. With his client he was getting 30-45fps reliable even in demanding worlds. For another member of my family I don't understand per say he just keeps telling me he can connect, he doesn't have a modded client so I am assuming EAC giving a false flag on something. Then the rest of my friends for the reasons I stated in my earlier rambling post. Maybe I'll see if ChilloutVR is easy enough for my family members to setup. I am hoping so as not all of them are all that tech savvy. Really maybe I am taking this a bit to personally, but a real screw you from the VRC team to my family. We will still have other games I guess. Just not the same as a round of minigolf.

[cyan falcon]

I would not want to piss off your icon, she looks like she could hurt me xD.

[gray narwhal]

The hell is chillout Vr

[idle estuary]

strawman. I'm not saying harmful mods don't exist. I'm saying there are also helpful mods that help combat them. By not allowing access to helpful mods we are left powerless and the only "protection" is EAC which is garbage.

[gritty condor]

They do exist. But most mods were just helpful to players to enjoy the game more.

[gilded slate]

money isnt the issue. it's where the mods and creators are on their ''mighty throne'' and being karens.. they just plain out won't listen to the community

[jagged leaf]

This. I'm less mad about them removing mods i'm more mad at them for the way this was handled. The way they quickly tried pushing it overnight, the complete ignorance of feedback and even bugreports, the lack of foresight, the lack of already implemented mods as features, their bad PR excuse that they are NOW reorganising their staff to make these features happen (which should have happened long before they attempted this), the simply bad approach of enforcing EAC rather than going with something better (like sanctioned mods or a "modded" realm option) as transition, the lack of communication with the community, the lack of working with the modding community ... the list goes on and on.

[cyan falcon]

Shitty alt to Vrchat and its only PC only.

[gray narwhal]

Thank you, I chose it because it’s sheer perfection ❤️ lol

[bold sable]

vrchat but made in china
people are starting to join chilloutvr but whos gonna guarantee its a good platform anyways

[gray narwhal]

Not me just playing Pokémon sword

[bold sable]

not me playing rec room

[cyan falcon]

oh how far are you?

[jagged leaf]

i checked out chillout and it has all the mod features as vanilla options already implemented, i was surprised and at the same time saddened even more.

[gritty condor]

Not to mention the audacity to ignore most of the community.

[worthy helm]

Then go to cvr

[gray narwhal]

Ah I beat it over a year ago and decided to get shield this time for fun, I just finished the gym in circhester, the sixth gym Melody

[bitter talon]

The pop numbers aren't what scare me, its the developers, world creators, and avatar makers that have all said they will leave, some stating fir good. Others stating they'll come back if they do a temporary roll back.

[idle estuary]

this has been normal for the VRC team for its entire existence unfortunately.

[gilded slate]

they're pieces of shit

[worthy helm]

A lot of developers I've talked to that make stuff for vrc are really happy with this update

And are getting annoyed by bratty players asking them to port worlds to other platforms

[gray narwhal]

My team is looking wack as hell

Cinderace
Weezing
Weavile
Noivern and 2 open slots rn

[rapid pecan]

Game?

[bitter talon]

Without quality content creators the platform will die, thats what concerns me. No new amazing worlds to go and explore and play games on. Just VRChat stuck forever in 2022 limp mode.

[cyan falcon]

Facts-
@gray narwhal Ohhhh I was thinking of getting models from Sw/Sh o: I think I got to the Elite 4 before my game cart went missing '='.

[gray narwhal]

Pokémon shield

[jagged leaf]

Was already included, but yea.

@worthy helm I'm already working on it as backup.

Also nothing guarantees that any other platform won't do the same but until they have proven that they don't care it is safe to assume that they do care.

[ornate tree]

Yeahhhhhhhhh. Yeah. :(

[rapid pecan]

Noice

[jagged pine]

first wildworks, and now vrc. So many companies are stooping so low for either their own personal gain or to please the community. wildworks had lured it's community into a trap to obtain assets for an NFT game, and made it so that people could not sue them for stealing their work. vrchat just thought what they were doing was good, unaware of the harm that would be caused.
just be glad the vrc devs are not like the wildworks devs.

[gray narwhal]

I think VRC will further add onto things to sort them out but it takes time to roll out updates like these

[bitter talon]

I'm sorry for your loss mate. I think we are all in this together in missing playing VRV with our friends.

[bold sable]

they'll come back after knowing theres simply no fucking alternatives

[fossil slate]

Hi

[cyan falcon]

After the new update, what do you think they will add next

[worthy helm]

When vrchat adds the monitization update it will bring in a ton of creators and keep existing ones, myself included

@cyan falcon i think sw and sh were the first ones I haven't played tbh

[idle estuary]

why not have the content already available for the folks who NEED it before updating then? I would be much less upset if these features had been added previously. You know, like the community has been requesting for LITERALLY years.

[gray narwhal]

More than likely they will make it adjustable to specific mods or develop their own to work in similar fashions

[gilded slate]

probably nft bullcrap and in game purchases

[cyan falcon]

Honestly I will be happy if they pay me even a tad bit for my models..

[jagged leaf]

Nothing unless you keep the shitstorm up. The moment it stops they will return to what they did previously.

[gray narwhal]

They could theoretically implement mods into the default client to help people who require a bit more assistance

[bitter talon]

Agreed. Had this happen in another gaming community 21 years ago. Thankfully one of the players bought the company on its last legs and slowly bringing it back.

[idle estuary]

why not having this done BEFORE removing the mods then?

[jagged pine]

what game was it?

[idle estuary]

the mods exist because they have been sitting on their laurels for years

[gilded slate]

the EAC is basically the same thing as adding the Oppressor in GTAV

[jagged leaf]

Second Life has been doing this for 15+ years caugh

[gray narwhal]

If they are planning on working on their own client to work similar to several of the mods and even added avatar lookup to default client then it will be highly successful and honestly they probably didn’t think it entirely though, or wanted to rush it out, but I’d say give them more time before we crucify the company

I know software development for VR games and clients take a bit of time, not something I’d personally have the patience for

[jagged leaf]

If we hadn't crucified them to begin with they wouldn't have started adding all these features. Their now 2 posts clearly express that.

[cyan falcon]

Yeah networking code takes a bit to do, think of it like a spider web;

[gray narwhal]

There’s a high chance they already had this stuff in development but weren’t ready to release it

[jagged leaf]

Maybe this was all a secret conspiracy by modders to get the VRChat team to finally implement all the features...

[gray narwhal]

They wouldn’t entirely alienate their fan base if they didn’t have an alternative being made or under development

[idle estuary]

No. Rule #1 is that all companies only care about one thing. The bottom line. The only way to get your message across is two things. Money and how vocal the community is. The only way this gets fixed in any timely manner is we all cancel VRC+ and constantly lambast the company publicly to everyone we know until their bottom line hurts. THEN something will get done. Its unfortunate but its how corporations work.

[bitter talon]

Thats good. I know it helps with removing the annoyance of "it didn't work with my client." At the same time.sad to see some of the most talented members leave.

[gilded slate]

it was basically throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

[gray narwhal]

I don’t even use vrc plus tbh I don’t use enough avatars to need 100

[worthy helm]

which creators have left if you mind me asking, I havent heard of any yet?

[umbral reef]

They state most stuff got made in a development Jam.
So they where playing around with it and trying most things we have seen video's of before this update.
It just was not a priority to get them out of the door

[gray narwhal]

All I’m saying is let’s give them a chance before we rush to any conclusions

[jagged leaf]

I was kinda joking around but i wouldn't exactly be entirely surprised (given that i always expect the worst, most fucked up shit) if this was a planned conspiracy stunt by either the modding community or the upset vanilla community that has been requesting features for years.

[gray narwhal]

Where did the data breach rumor come from anyways? I always here someone say “my friend” but I’ve yet to run into someone who’s actually experienced the issue

[umbral reef]

This community is known for spreading fake rumors so who knows 🤷
No one has proof and its always 'my friends' or 'someone said'

[gray narwhal]

||Not like most peoples data isn’t open to the public anyways|| but that’s a secondary conversation

[bitter talon]

Really I just didn't plan ahead. Will look at ChillVR and Neos to see how they are growing. It would be drastically ignorant of the VRC team to think that they could maintain market dominance when they give a big screw you to a huge portion of the community. I was not directly effected by the update, but seeing all my friends and family get effected has persuaded me to start looking elsewhere. Would be very sad if the VRC team doesn't learn from this mistake and kill the game.

[idle estuary]

all i'm saying is that before you release an update that has quality of life features for disabled folk and those of us who want to avoid world crashers how about release those features and THEN update. the only reason the mods exist in the first place was because people asked for them and they never delivered. What they have effectively done is pull the rug out from beneath everyone who either A. needed these mods to play their game or B. used helpful mods that should have been in the game years ago. Not only that but they DOUBLED DOWN on this before the update. Its a HUGE slap in the face to a community who has supported this company for years an given them insane slack.

[jagged leaf]

There is no "rushing" to conclusion. They had many chances (many dating back before i joined VRC even). Their actions in the past 5 years apparently have shown that they didn't care. In fact they did this kind of fuckup when they banned modders (especially the dude who makes the loader for Unity ((Not VRChat specific))) and got a massive backlash, you would think that they learned from that but instead they just went into full turbo against the wall.

[bitter talon]

I haven't checked out the other two that people keep reccomending here. Neos and ChillVR. I hear NEOS looks incredible and far more capable than VRC, but has a extreme learning curve.

[gray narwhal]

I think accounts shouldn’t be banned for having used mods before tbh

[worthy helm]

Modder made up around 20% of the playerbase at most, just because they are the most vocal doesn't mean they are the majority

[bold sable]

things are never gonna be the same
vrc will stay superior regardless

[gilded slate]

a friend of mine got banned for using a colorblind mod

[jagged leaf]

Keep in mind that the majority of people are INCAPABLE of modding (quest) and that a lot of the rest are scared because you know.. modding is against the TOS.

[gray narwhal]

VRchat has had a big head start compared to other VR social games so it would be difficult for a new platform to rise easily unless it had something unique about it that attracted players

[jagged leaf]

Actually i'm quite happy Quest was incapable of modding... imagine all the quest kiddies... with mods...

[idle estuary]

Power users are a real thing in any industry. In the same way halo products exist if you keep the top % of a community happy they will preach your good name and spread the word of your product. That same group will also tell everyone to not buy your stuff if you make a huge mess-up. It happens a lot in the PC sphere as well. Just because its a small percentage, they are the most vocal which does count for something because they are the power users. VRC should be aware of this.

[worthy helm]

yes correct, modding is against TOS, I never got mods because I never had a need tbh, so the total number of mod users are very very small

[cyan falcon]

First Vr social/creative making game, they are also on Oculus store and on Pc and run pretty decent depending on your gear.
@worthy helm Facts

[jagged leaf]

The total number doesn't matter though. The number of modders of the ACTUAL playerbase (that is PCVR/Desktop users, those who are realistically expected to subscribe) and subscribers is whats important.

[gray narwhal]

Yea it will be near impossible to compete with them and all the content the community had already added

[worthy helm]

idk if anything modders have shown themselves to be crybabys instead of "power users" they have also been extremely toxic through all of this so if they leave it'll probably be a net positive for the future of VRC

[bitter talon]

Yeah they desperately need a monetization update desperately. Although I think this may have driven way to many of their creators.to other platforms. If they could have monetized sooner before doing this PR nightmare of a update they could have really increased the quality and amount of content being pushed out. But I really do think that this may knock them off their post to allow for other platforms to take the market share away from them. Not saying the platform is dead. Just saying that its lost its nearly ultimately potential.

[jagged leaf]

If i was to remove the ability to upload avatars or worlds you'd be crying like a baby too.

[idle estuary]

Nice take. "I don't like your opinion because I don't need mods. You should leave" What about the people that NEEDED those mods to play?

[cyan falcon]

It is impossible, I know a person who worked with neos or it was cVR, they had the money to get on the OC store and blew it on stupid shit.

[jagged leaf]

Point is, if you remove something important to people, something people really care about, they will get emotional.

[cyan falcon]

Got that right, I used EMMC 1 time back when I first started playing VRchat and got bored with it. Now i make my own models lol.

[gray narwhal]

One day I might commission someone to make a model for me and upload it cause I can’t be bothered to go through the effort

[jagged leaf]

If VRChat added NFT's now, you'd start to yell and cry like a baby too, you'd go super toxic mode to prevent your VRChat from going down that road wouldn't you... or would you just leave it to die?

[cyan falcon]

[gray narwhal]

I mean I understand 3D modeling a bit and I’ve even experimented with it but it’s a bit boring for me

[worthy helm]

they are adding those features too, I have talked to a ton of people in the community, even those that give ASL classes and a majority aren't too upset. While it sucks majority of them see the posts saying the features are coming soon and just wait. However a majority of the toxic mod community has been hiding behind the idea that vrchat is ableist to push their shallow need for mods.

[gray narwhal]

How many days are in July?

[cyan falcon]

I make everything else but not egirls/eboys because the model base they use is ugly AF in my opinion.

[bitter talon]

Little game called WW2OL. Been around 21 years. Had worse PR nightmares then this. But its run by a player now and been making huge strides forwards got a full development team again and working for a Unreal Engine 4 release. Been giving them like $50 to keep development going. But unlike VRC team here they are massively active with engaging ever single player in game and ensuring bugs are rapidly identified fixes And bringing in content from players into the game. Really positive community. Despite the fact that the previous Dev team ran the game into the ground.

[gray narwhal]

Yo you should share in dms some of yours

[jagged leaf]

No. They are mad with the way this was handled. Get it right.

[cyan falcon]

Will do.

[idle estuary]

Then👏 add👏 the👏 features👏 before👏 you👏 remove👏 the👏 mods👏 . The mods EXIST because people have asked for them for years.

[haughty lily]

Anyone recently experiencing the "Anti-Cheat Error" suddenly popping out with no warnings?

[gray narwhal]

They should learn not everything goes the way you want it to, not to sound like a dick at all, but companies are prone to mistakes as much as people are daily

[worthy helm]

this we can agree on

[jagged leaf]

This right here is the very reason mods exist in the first place, everywhere. Every game. Developers can't or won't add something so the userbase does it for them.

[gray narwhal]

That’s why I’m neutral myself, it’s too soon to make a rational judgement when all the pieces aren’t on the board

[idle estuary]

your judgement should be that this is company that only cares about one thing. Your money.

[worthy helm]

none of these features are behind vrc plus? wut?

[gray narwhal]

How does this affect their profit though? That’s what I’m not understanding

[jagged leaf]

Infact mods even supported VRC+ by locking infinite favs behind VRC+

[lyric eagle]

applauding ensues. (seriously, why do people do this? i dont want to visualize you clapping)

[bitter talon]

So behind the scenes they were under enormous pressure to fix the fact that their platform was being used to backdoor and hack people PC's. Looks terrible for them as a company and as a platform. Why they rushed out EAC (along with a bunch of other reasons). The sad thing is that they went with a terrible solution that has already been backdoor and screwed over their user base in general. They went about addressing the problem in perhaps the worse way they possibly could have done.

[old trellis]

Sorry to interject but this update has definitely lost them money. But other than that I agree

[idle estuary]

Christ this is making my brain hurt. You all have a good day.

[jagged leaf]

Out of respect they did this because they wanted to support VRChat.

[cyan falcon]

Brain on fire like its 103 outside

[full sail]

side-eyes 105f temp ...yeah, yeah that tracks

[cyan falcon]

Are you a pastry bun or a meat bun?

[bitter talon]

Why they really, in all honesty should be crucified for what they are doing. They are very much "saving face." As oppose to actually supporting the community. Now I'll say this the community managers here are doing a great job with trying to manage the dumpster fire this has become without losing their cool.

[jagged leaf]

I'm really happy i wasn't a modder, i really wanted to at some point but Harmony Patches are... stupid i hate it but i would have liked to make cool UI mods, cool new features, QoL, give people the options they wanted (graphics, IK finetuning etc). Seeing as to what they did i would be infinitely more mad now and would feel even more betrayed.

[tacit wasp]

They're doing that. Read the article

[old trellis]

It just seems like a bit of a bonehead move. I get why they did it but still. It would be good if they integrated with steam workshop and then mods could be ported over to there?

[full sail]

Sadly neither :< I wish I wa- wait, no I'm not opening that door, lmao. Just a Lop Bun

[tacit wasp]

rippers can no longer steal avatars because of anti-cheat

[worthy helm]

also client crashers are gone, and mods that broke worlds are gone

[full sail]

A too dang hot Bun for sure. Summer needs to chill some

[cyan falcon]

Just thought since your name was bun that you might be pastry or a meat bun. OH Wait you are a choco bun!

[worthy helm]

even if they bypass EAC they can get banned WAAAAAY easier, EAC collects info on users that bypass or use a different client

[tacit wasp]

it's not that easy. They've would have already dun that and isn't just a matter of "looking something up"

[full sail]

Choco/Vanillabun depending on the season~ :D

[old trellis]

Yeah that's a good thing. I know people put lots of work into avatars but imo the accessibility mods are a bit more important

[vocal shard]

False, that is stored in cache, where it can then be extracted via UnityAssetRipper. That is a fault of VRChats design.

[cyan falcon]

I like you have a cupcake.

[bitter talon]

Amen. We aren't so much complaining about EAC eventually getting added to the game (or at least I am not) or some version of EAC that actually works. But we are complaining about the absolutely atrocious way they implemented it and cut out tens of thousands of users from accessing the game.

[tacit wasp]

ok but instead of them being a xenomorph killing everyone they're now tiny little flies in our ears. Still annoying but not fatal

[worthy helm]

yeah but at least itll be less common, at least little timmy on pc cant download a mod with the click of a button and commence trolling in vrchat

the amount of hoops should stop these users and the real malicious actors will be left behind, but at least they will be easier to ban

[old trellis]

EAC has been bypassed many times

[jagged leaf]

You know a bypass can reach all the way to completely disabling EAC so there is no "collecting"

[tacit wasp]

I've literately talked to a Ripper dev and they said they cant use their client.

[cyan falcon]

You can't win with these dead horse beaters sadly;

[vocal shard]

It isn't a client, it is a file, do your research kid.

[full sail]

If I could :KirinHappy: I would, haha

[worthy helm]

i literally can't I should give up but its kinda amusing

[jagged leaf]

You could never do that anyway, all publicly and easily available mods were safe and didn't allow trolling in game or club worlds. Only the hidden malicious mods did and they are usually paid and not easy to get.

[old trellis]

Honestly tho I doubt they'd listen because their player count has only dropped by about 1K according to steam charts

[cyan falcon]

I'll give you more chocolate then!
@worthy helm understanding.

[tacit wasp]

whatever it is, it's not happening anymore.

[old trellis]

True lol

[worthy helm]

they wont but their numbers will be suuuuuper crippled

[jagged leaf]

Wrong.

A it is important to differentiate between a mod and a client.
B while mods are no longer happening, clients will still happen.

[vocal shard]

Oh it still is, and it always will be until VRChat encrypts filedata from cache. I have already mentioned this issue many times as I am a model creator myself, they don't care.

[old trellis]

*temporarily until people find a way to bypass it

[cyan falcon]

Facts, the people I know that modded hard Maliciously are upset this happened but they can gtfo and get over it.

[jagged leaf]

Wrong again, they won't. All malicious mods will in time update and bypass EAC. Mods that didn't do anything malicious won't be updating anymore. They literally did not change a single thing.

[tacit wasp]

great, they called it a client, they have a "recent uploaded avatars" subchat and guess what? no more avatars are coming in. only from the "cache" that have been uploaded before eac kicked in

[bitter talon]

Very true. Not to upset about people who used clients losing their access. I am upset about the players who relied on them to actually be able play the game, and who have told the dev team seemingly infinite numbers of times that they needed to implement those features. Instead the VRC team just said screw you and got rid of tens of thousands of players. I'm thinking your right. Probably 20% of the user base over night. Those who didn't need the mods Uninstaller them or left. But those who depended on them to even be able to play the game just got screwed.

[old trellis]

On the plus side maybe other mods will bypass EAC but that'll probs get you banned

[jagged leaf]

As far as i can tell all public modders have denounced their support and are leaving for good even if EAC was to be removed, the modding community as it was is dead. What's left now is solely the malicious client community. There is no "plus" side. This was 100% a net loss for everyone.

[bitter talon]

If this is how the VRC team treats its player base I have severe doubts. Moves like this have killed platforms in the past and it is a very bad assumption by the VRC team to think it can't happen to them as well.

[tacit wasp]

Mods were against Vrchat to begin with, it's their fault that Vrchat is trying to not go against TOS

[old trellis]

Player count has only dropped by 1K

[atomic wing]

All there is left on vrc is gonna be kids

[forest snow]

I guess they don't know how to look inside a folder then cause, EAC didn't stop ripping.

[lyric eagle]

i guarantee you 2 hundred bazillion dollars that if vrchat said theyd be removing eac and letting modders do their thing that every modder would come back.

[vocal shard]

I mean they literally didn't say "screw you" and said they would completely rework their roadmap to focus on getting those features in the game as soon as possible. If you don't trust them to follow up on that then that's one thing but lets not be silly

McRib is based

[atomic wing]

Oof

[old trellis]

Steam charts says player count is only down by 1K. I've seen steam reviews

[jagged leaf]

No. New people maybe yes. Old modders, no. They are done with VRChat and i can totally feel them.

[atomic wing]

Steam reviews are always bull tho, it's steam

[vocal shard]

The mcrib is based

[vocal shard]

Which, ya know, mission accomplished for the VRC team lol. They've said they don't want modded clients for 5 years now

[lyric eagle]

not taking a side, but here's some player data from the last 3 weeks https://imgur.com/a/VkRRjGC

[worthy helm]

Ngl if the toxic people stay off vrchat because of this update itll be so so nice, I wanna know why people are still arguing for mods if they are adding a lot of the features soon?

by accidently replied to you @old trellis

[jagged leaf]

People are forgiving, so am i. If EAC was removed i'd probably come back in an instant too regardless of mods, simply to support VRChat and show them that its the right decision to listen but i don't think people would forget what they did.

[bitter talon]

Id agree there are a absolute crap ton of cry baby molders out there. But if you lost your ability to upload avatars or worlds you may be crying like them too.

[tacit wasp]

Yes, people are angry. Doesn't mean that they'll actually do anything. If anything its just scare tactics for mod users to make others leave the game because they've found out that its bad to use mods for VRC. Period. Even says that in the loading screen

[atomic wing]

Worlds are being deleted everyday, good ones to

[worthy helm]

eh not really, its a social game after all, its fun reguardless

[cyan falcon]

They will be adding it soon

[tacit wasp]

please read the article

[old trellis]

Huh weird. Maybe steam charts ain't that reliable 🤣 my bad

[worldly lintel]

boob

[atomic wing]

See

[vocal shard]

User creates model, a vrca (it is just an assetbundle compressed with LZMA) gets sent to the server. User plays as new super cool avatar.

Malicious user says he wants said model whilest playing on the same server as said model creator. Malicious user goes to VRChat's appdata, finds the userfile in Cache, decompresses it using any assort of AssetRippers (legit a swiss army knife). Cleans up compiled debrees, now they have the model and the textures.

This has been an ongoing issue since 2018, with a mod actually fixing it by causing AssetRippers to crash with that file, but there are no more mods. So again, get educated. The article means shit.

[worthy helm]

are there any social vr platforms that even have those features atm

[jagged leaf]

Its easy for you to call everyone toxic who disagrees with you isn't it? This update has hit everyone, including you to some degree. Worlds, Avatars, Content, all that VRChat is has been hit by this decision. You seem to be very delusional in how you go about this, you show no empathy, no understanding, you do not even try to understand, you are simply ignorant to what is happening, yo do not acknowledge that this was a BS move and you come off as someone who just fights for the reason to fight rather than most of the others who are fighting because they lost something they cared about.

[old trellis]

Tbf a lot of frame rate issued are caused by poorly optimised or high poly count avatars aren't they?

[bitter talon]

They are mad about how this whole EAC thing was handled, please get his right.

[cyan falcon]

Did you ever think it was your PC? Just saying that is what it sounds like from most of the PC users I've heard from. Its a feature the've been working on. They just recently got more funding and more help.

[tacit wasp]

A huge ripper discord is suffering because of EAC. And i'm not reading that paragraph because im lazy and don't care about your opinion. Gonna touch grass now and do something worth my while, cya.

[forest snow]

Wouldn't that just be an SDK change and therefor still possible?

[lyric eagle]

its not steam charts, they're plenty reliable. It's just this website (https://metrics.vrchat.community/?orgId=1&from=now-7d&to=now&refresh=30s) shows both steam AND total (including oculus), so it has more data.

[vocal shard]

See the issue is VRChat built itself around assetbundles. They dug a hole too big to escape without wiping the entire serverbase, or maybe just futureproofong (but we will se that in what, 3 years lol).

[bitter talon]

I'll say thats not the case for ww2ol anymore, but again we literally hold community votes and huge discord meats so the entire remaining player pop can decide on the games content direction and development priorities. Same with other games as well. Just.poorly amazed games like VRC needs mods.

[old trellis]

Ahh okay ty

[tropic quest]

i have a ok laptop with a rtx 3050 and cant run vrchat in vr above 30fps lmfao

[forest snow]

No I mean more so, modifying the assetbundle to make it harder for rippers, wouldn't that be an on upload thing, rather than some kind of client modification?

[full sail]

Higher end model gpu doesn't equate to having good RAM though

[old trellis]

Yeah it's probably the mobile rtx card with lackluster cooling

[vocal shard]

Whatever you got your news from, utter garbage. Maybe they just suck idk, anyhow have fun touching your theoretical grass or whatever.

[bitter talon]

Exactly my point!!!

[jagged leaf]

You simply seem to be incapable of understanding the bigger picture and implications of this update, how all of this was handled, what it means for the community and what it means ultimately for you as the small light you are. You will eventually miss out on an awesome game or world or avatar or friend that you could have met because that person left VRChat because their friends or other nice content creators left, or worlds were taken down or something like that. At the end of the day, you as the single entity user are the one who suffers the most from this and you seem simply incapable of understanding this. Everyone who puts this off as "i never used mods i don't care" is simply ignorant and selfish, only thinking about themselves, most don't even seem to try think about what this means for everyone around them, let alone finish this selfish thought because at the end it all comes back to you.

[tropic quest]

intel i7 11th gen 2.30ghz 16gb ram rtx 3050 laptop gpu

[full sail]

There's your problem. We'll that replied to the wrong person lol.

[worthy helm]

Okay so here we gooooooo

-Mods have always been against TOS
-I always played Vanilla and been crashed and had lobbies ruined by client users
-The devs are communicating and finally adding these features really soon
-Everyones finally gonna be on the same level, no more mod abuse
-The game will draw more developers now to especially develop games

• I wasn't effected by this update at all if anything it's been nothing but a net postivie

However
They should have added the accessibility features prior to the update, but lets be honest a majority of the player base was unaware of these abled mods existing until they took away mods and people wanted something to hide behind. The ONLY people I feel bad for are the disabled.

[bitter talon]

Absolutely untrue. Some of the rippers are gone.

[old trellis]

Strange how my desktop 1660 super can run my occulus fine tho

[silent hamlet]

:.|:;

[full sail]

Again, it's cpu heavy. People don't run optimized avatars or worlds. It's not really a headscratcher why things can't push AAA rates

[robust spire]

player count only seems down by 1k compared to last week. Seems like most people are still playing vrc.
ChilloutVR only has 500 players 😦

[cyan falcon]

Because they don't have a OCulus side. most VRC users are quest or Quest/PC

[worthy helm]

Loss

[vocal shard]

AssetBundles to LZMA is like RAR to .xxx, it is just a compression method. If you are really interested, it is a preset window lossless compression that allows quick access to certain directories, like Texture2D. Anyhow, VRChat uses a Unity internal tool to read these files, so not likely for them to change it (imo they don't have the knowledge).

[tropic quest]

so your saying you need more than 16bg of ram to run vrchat anywhere to get 30fps or above ok lol

[full sail]

I also don't want to debate the same points that have been on and on for the last half a week~ just here to sip tea and meet friends

[sonic kite]

& this isn’t even peak time yet

[bitter talon]

Malicious people will always be malicious. EAC has been bypassed a long while ago and our point is that EAC didn't even eliminate those truly malicious hackers. Just those idiots with simple modded clients.

[old trellis]

This definitely sounds cooling related or cpu bound

[old trellis]

As a British male. This is the way

[forest snow]

I'm just asking about you said there was a mod to make it harder for rippers, except that doesn't exactly make sense. A mod wouldn't have been able to make the assetbundle any less easier to rip. I know what they are, what they're compressed with, what they store, hence my confusion.
"mod actually fixing it by causing AssetRippers to crash with that file"

[tropic quest]

my friend have the same problem and they use desktop

[old trellis]

Do you have shaders and particles etc enabled for everyone?

[tropic quest]

no have everything as low as it can go

[old trellis]

Huh weird

[lyric eagle]

yes vrchat is absolutely insane on ram usage, mostly avatars are to blame. I easily hit 20+gb ram usage depending on whats going on in the background. Granted i have 64, so idle usage is a little higher but

[jagged leaf]

And heres the counter.

• Mods should have never been against the TOS, it was the first mistake to begin with. It's a platform made by its users, literally mods. Why "mods" were against the TOS is simply a mystery.
• YOU always played vanilla and have been crashed mostly by the plethora of unfixed shader loops, lacking content limitations, lacking simple sanity checks and verification in the game client. Only a small portion were malicious clients.
• The Devs are communicating AFTER they fucked up, BECAUSE they fucked up and are now in damage control to minimise the damage, they have been called out and are now just trying to safe their ass. In time this will go back to no communication at all. Let alone this "communication" is extremely lacking and they have in not a single word addressed mods or EAC despite it being by far one of the biggest topics. Where's the open roadmap, where's the "progress" on feaures, where's the actual communication about plans? The last dev stream was months ago. This is no communication.
• Everyone was already on the same level, again you seem to be ignorant to the fact that all public mods did not allow you to use any hacks in public/game lobbies. Only malicious clients did.
• This game will certainly not draw more developers now seeing how they treat their community and to some degree their developers.
• YOU were not affected is what YOU say, the reality is you will eventually find an avatar unavailable, a friend gone, a world down or simply less content coming out (or not at all). You WERE affected, you just don't realise how yet.

[vocal shard]

It just mixes up some directory placements that unity can still read. AssetRippers don't care for vrchat, so they didn't make a fix, but someone made a patch recently. but that don't matter as the mod no longer works

[bitter talon]

Believe it is a bit more than that. I haven't actually run number crunching to see what the actual hard drop is because I am showing a 1k right now. But don't know if that is a temporary low, or high, and if the trend will continue to go up or down.

[forest snow]

Again still makes no sense, any kind of client modification on my end would not change the file downloaded by another user. You would have had to mix up the file on upload, which is still very much possible with EAC. There is no EAC in the SDK

[bitter talon]

Fair point. I have unfortunately lot a huge amount of faith in the VRC team though.

[worthy helm]

ngl, stopped reading when you assumed I got shader crashed, I play with safety settings. Stop projecting your experience onto others and assuming everyone that's for the update is wrong.

"Mods should have been allowed" look at second life, it allows mods and it's gone to shit, I'm very glad we aren't going down that path

[old trellis]

Yeah I checked using the steam stats thing. Someone else pointed out a different source that I can't remember the link of thay showed a much larger drop but idk how to interpret the data tbh as they both show different things

That one time Facebook servers went down and there was no quest users was a really weird night lol

[tropic quest]

well i didnt know that thanks for letting me know ill upgrade my ram to 64gb in a couple weeks and hope that it makes a change to the bad fps

[bitter talon]

Thanks for sharing. Much better data then what I was looking at. Holy crap thats a big drop off.

[vocal shard]

It uses the dated link to give them an older AssetBundle using VRChat's servers by reporting that link as the link to download the model on serverside (aka the active avatar). They build multiple (3) assetbundles, and one of them is derived from 2017 for backwards compat I guess. That causes the AssetRipper to not be able to read the header as it goes into 2018 support. It is CDN shenanagins.

[lyric eagle]

32gb is plenty.

[winged moat]

Even though the Devs had a misstep, and rolled out this update with a lack of communication, the Developer updates they have been rolling out at the speed they are doing has been a good positive change. Sure it took an uproar of the community to get them to do it, but humans learn from their mistakes right? So I can only see VRChat improving from here on out natively, Sure it might take a long time, but this is also why I think other Social VR platforms should come up so that there's other platforms that are mod friendly, if other platforms grow to be a success I think both VRChat and other VR platforms will benefit from Healthy Competition.

[haughty lily]

If the Anti-Cheat error suddenly appears, what does it mean?

I got the error just hours ago

[lyric eagle]

its really not that big of a drop off? and you can already see an upward trend again...

[bitter talon]

Not when your friends can't log on its not. Sure walking around worlds and playing games and shit is fun. But not by yourself.

[old trellis]

If they integrated an easy way to use mods I don't see a huge problem? Still though it's a giant kick in the teeth

[lyric eagle]

thursday (yesterday) was only about 6000 people less than two weeks ago's thursday, that's less than 8%...

[bitter talon]

Ahhh.. thanks again for sharing!

[lyric eagle]

and id guess by saturday or sunday, itll be under 3,000 from 2 weeks ago

[worthy helm]

tonight will be a pretty good indicator if there is a massive drop off

[winged moat]

They could have done that route, but maybe they didn't want to add to their workload when they could try to incorporate these features natively to prevent malicious intent. if one mod is allowed, then all mods can be integrated, but it would require more work to monitor the ones that are good, and the ones that are bad. Sure could have whitelisted one or two mods, but then more Mod creators would be messaging Devs trying to get their mods Whitelisted, which would have someone working fulltime testing out which mods are good, and which mods are bad, when a Mod decides to try to run experimental mods (Which may have malicious content) but their already whitelisted would cause issues, so then they would need to go under review everytime a Mod updates, so one person would just be Whitelisting and blacklisting mods, which sounds like a painful duty, not to mention if the Modscript conflicted with their own game.

I don't agree with how the Devs handled the update initially, but what's done is done so, at least their making a positive change toward the future by placing these mod features into the vanilla base game.

[bitter talon]

Holy cow check out the other post. We are down 10k players (give or take 3k) from last week!!!! I had no idea it was truly that many. Just what I got from the steam page.

[lyric eagle]

https://imgur.com/a4V8i9S you can see the upward trend...

@bitter talon you're comparing the highest point of last week, which was a weekend... We haven't hit the weekend yet.

[bitter talon]

I think that may be due to the weekend and just natural. Would need more data to actually tell. But it may indeed be recovering. I don't really know tbh.

[gritty condor]

Slam

[lyric eagle]

that would be true if the last three days werent tuesday -> wednesday -> thursday.... the most idle days of the week?

@outer mirage That was from the weekend and the initial announcement...

[umbral reef]

From weekend to week days its always down, during the week it always climbs...

[lyric eagle]

https://imgur.com/gxZxEuh this graph?

[bitter talon]

I think ya'll right @lyric eagle Once a week has past the actual player loss will be much more apparent.

[grave haven]

It will for sure be interesting to see the player numbers this coming weekend.

[lyric eagle]

5,000 people out of 70,000 people isnt that much especially for an initial drop due to a controversial launch

[grave haven]

Times to look at is Friday night and Saturday night for US timezone. That is usually when it peaks.

[bitter talon]

I do notice the overall vanishing of 5k players from the previous week. And 5k out of 70k is not insignificant. That is a huge loss. Not as major as some people make out. Either way not good to have 5k players just pack up and leave.

[umbral reef]

Rought math but like 6-8% isnt as much as most people think but its still major.
But really for sure nothing new when a big update drops that has some flaws/bugs still too

[lyric eagle]

NVM

[bitter talon]

Thats pretty much every game

[umbral reef]

You really cant even compare this for like 2 weeks, people taking a break because of drama ect are also big.
If in two weeks its down 5K its worthh saying they took a fair bit.
Up to that point its really people not understanding statistics

[vocal shard]

saturday and sundays are VRCs largest peaks in player count (atleast viewable through steam metrics). The better form would be to wait a month or two to look at a the data across a long term to see growth/loss and compare %'s off of that to see positive or negative impact on the game. Players are going to remain in the game regardless for a variety of reasons, however, if they do lose 10,000 players and say 1,000 of them are VRC+ subs (probably more than 1 in 10) that's a almost 120k loss in sheer profit per year on a subscription model that takes maybe 1 intern to manage. That may not seem like alot, but when looking at it with a price to earnings mindset, that impacts alot for investment purposes. Short term metrics wont do much as theres too much commotion with the community and with news outlets now picking the update up

[winged cargo]

so now that the game is broken with no option to fix it my self, is there a plan to fix the IK2.0 update to actually work? literally no combination of any of the new IK2.0 settings give any desirable way of tracking motion... something vr has been based on since the beginning of vr... a decade a go. can we figure that out at some point maybe?

[drifting fractal]

I agree, I want my Ik-tweeks back

[lyric eagle]

this assumes every single person of those 5,000 cancelled vrc

[bitter talon]

Alright now yall just being petty. Wither way not what anyone wants to see and shows the playerbase is really unhappy.

[umbral reef]

If you really think 5% has VRC+ then im not sure what groupsyou hanged around with

[worthy helm]

Rule #1 of the internet, people love showing biased data when trying to make their point

[drifting fractal]

Gotta refer to mods in a scuffed way

[umbral reef]

Lets asume 100% of that 5K had VRC+ then 🙃

[lyric eagle]

yeah no thats my bad, im running on 36 hours awake

second time ive read data wrong in the last 5mins i should probably make myself something to eat

[bitter talon]

Ok please don't go down stats rabbit wholes. Either way I think we can all say suddenly losing a measurable % of the playerbase is bad. And shows a unhealthy community.

[grave haven]

[winged cargo]

okay so ill just let vrchat go the way of the dinosaur then. if they cant even bother fixing their own broken game when others have fixed it for free then why am i here

[bitter talon]

Nah take a break man and treat ya'll self to some good food!

[winged cargo]

also, side note, that VRCBot playing with 45855 other users is a lie

[grave haven]

What do you mean?

[winged cargo]

so they made a fake bot to lie to its playerbase into thinking that many people are actually playing?

only 21k online as of 30m ago, its ALL TIME PEAK is only 42k

[grave haven]

45993 are how many are actually online right now. You are likely looking at Steam-only data. Don't forget everyone on Quest.

[old trellis]

*on steam

[grave haven]

https://i.imgur.com/yK0lrK1.png

[winged cargo]

thats not accurate is what im saying. steamcharts and steam community dashboard only say 20k in game

[grave haven]

Steam is only a small portion of the entire playerbase. Everyone playing on Quest does not show up in the Steam graphs.

[winged cargo]

are you seriously trying to tell me that there are 20k+ quest users online right now

[old trellis]

Yes

[bitter talon]

It absolutely is. I use to play VRChat via Steam on the quest2.

[grave haven]

Yes, Quest is actually the majority, and has been since the Quest 2 explosion.

[winged cargo]

so that would make steam NOT a small portion of the playerbase, correct?

[old trellis]

Lots of the quest player base are younger AND don't care about modding therefore the whole EAC isn't as hughe of a deal for them I imagine

[bitter talon]

That is easy to believe. Have you not seen all the kids running around?

[winged cargo]

if theyre both equal to about half then how is quest the majority of the players? also consider that most of the PCVR users have jobs and also stopped playing because of dumb choices

[old trellis]

Not when the Facebook servers went down. 😎 that was a good night

[winged cargo]

dude go up and read like 2 people just told me that steam was the minority lol

[pliant harness]

lmao

[bitter talon]

Dang. Wish I had been on that night.

[old trellis]

Yeah it was way more chill in some of the more public facing lobbies

[steady moss]

bruh I was trying to watch something in movie and chill and I made the instance public on accident... was chill with it until people came in demanding I give them access to the video player and saying what I was watching was trash LMAO. like? go to a different instance then damn

also on an unrelated note if I have to tell another pc player how to turn their interactions on I'm gonna scream

[lyric eagle]

wait until i tell you it's closer to 2/3rds quest on the busiest hours!

[meager solstice]

It’s more like a 70% quest to a 30% pc

[meager solstice]

Steam is the minority

[analog helm]

What about all the quest users using steam via airlink

[steady moss]

those would fall under PC players

[tribal moon]

!online

[grave haven]

You have to do that in #bottalk

[unreal verge]

Time for new gpu getting real close for me

[tribal moon]

ty :3

[grave haven]

If they are using Steam with link cable, they would show up as Steam.

[winged cargo]

well it barely is now that pcvr users have been purged. where are you getting your math from and why are people wanting this to be a quest only fortnite game

[meager solstice]

The math? I’ve looked at the amount of players, it’s been this way for a while now. Even before this update.

[noble depot]

there are over 4 million PC accounts at least, and likely much more
https://twitter.com/vrchat/status/1086389685268635648?lang=en - this tweet was before the release of any of the Quest headsets

[sharp saddle]

Oh shit, it's Zu.

[noble depot]

also ^, the player count hasn't notably changed, https://metrics.vrchat.community/d/wnQj2Qjnk/vrchat-api-metrics?orgId=1&refresh=30s

[meager solstice]

U r correct, it really hasn’t

[noble depot]

If anything, some Quest/Oculus PC users stopped playing

[noble depot]

heya arte!

[winged cargo]

literally most of pcvr users have stopped playing or tucked themselves in a friends+ until a client comes out that lets them be safe and have features that were promised to be in the game years go

[meager solstice]

“Literally most” is a lie

[full sail]

Does anyone want to finish my last vehicle wrap? Too tired, too heat exhausted. Just wanna bump around in shenanigans worlds

[noble depot]

"most pcvr users stopped playing" lolwut

[winged cargo]

its not tho. lol. most PCVR players are either not playing or in pvt lobbies

[meager solstice]

Steam charts say otherwise @winged cargo, it barely has changed

[noble depot]

there's 20k pc/pcvr people on right now, not counting Oculus PC
sampling bias go brr

[winged cargo]

are you thick? i just said they eiter stopped playing or are in pvt lobbies because they arent safe. i have over 2k friends on my friends list and what usually is 1400 online plaaying is now below 100 playing since the update.

[sharp saddle]

You got proof?

[noble depot]

again, that's sampling bias

[sharp saddle]

All I see is a lot of talkin' but nothing to back it up with.

[noble depot]

even if all of those 2k people stopped playing, that's..not even vaguely close to vrc's entire pc/pcvr playerbase

[winged cargo]

yeah go to just about any VRC community/club server and theyre all on break waiting for a client that works

[tiny tundra]

e

[noble depot]

the number of total accounts is in the millions

[sharp saddle]

👀 That... does not answer my question in the slightest.

[regal glade]

steamPC users are down 9k, or 1/3 or their steam userbase. That's 1/7th of their total userbase and is a statistically significant drop in users over five days.

[meager solstice]

I also have close go 2k friends myself and have seen no change in the amount of “friends” that come on since the update

[winged cargo]

how many of the users are bots, can you answer me that i mean we can both sit here and play either side of the fence all day long but the fact remains that people are dying off from this crap

[winged cargo]

you also probably play on quest with a bunch of kids

[noble depot]

that is not one seventh of their userbase lol - again, the total pc/pcvr userbase is in the millions: https://twitter.com/vrchat/status/1086389685268635648?lang=en
there's a big difference between total users, and concurrent users

[regal glade]

true, I mean active users

[meager solstice]

lol wut

[full sail]

sips tea

[regal glade]

we'll see if the trend continues through the weekend, where there is usually an uptick in active users.

[full sail]

Some respectable metrics will have to wait for the coming weeks. This week alone is too small a sample size

[noble depot]

frankly I'd give it a month

[regal glade]

mmmhmm, but it's the numbers we got now.

[full sail]

((And everyone that is riled because others are riled will eventually form their own opinion))

[vocal shard]

I took pics last night on vrc and its not showing up in my folder on my pc.. does anyone know what to do about that??

[full sail]

Were they vr screenshots or steam printscreen shortcut?

[vocal shard]

i used the actual camera on vrc

[full sail]

Hmm... good question then! I've not had in-game deviate from the normal folder. I'm sorry friend q-q

[vocal shard]

thanks :/

[full sail]

First thing I'd check is steam itself if you use it to launch vrc. If they show up on the splash page you launch from on desktop you can find the destination folder.

If not there, it's possible a new folder was created either in documents or even in your picture files

Troubleshooting vrc isn't my Forte vs other games x.x

[forest snow]

rest in peace

[cold talon]

bot here 🤚

[worthy helm]

bots in vrchat, you must be joking right?

[quartz sapphire]

they probably mean bot accounts
like the ones people make so they can use their bots

[worthy helm]

yeah but like, how many people use bots, I've never once heard of that

[quartz sapphire]

really?

[robust spire]

More people watching VRC than playing https://steamdb.info/app/438100/graphs/

[cold talon]

know around 3 bots

[worthy helm]

it's a vtuber debut, what else is new

[silent hamlet]

Should I play vrc in my bed

I kinda wanna, not gonna lie

[vocal shard]

I've been doing that for a long time

It gets annoying when you wanna pet something that's lower than your bed, though...

[silent hamlet]

My bed is lofted so

[foggy wadi]

Fr

[thorny nacelle]

I love how it's civilized here lol

[knotty geyser]

The crashers have already adapted to EAC. There are now crashers that make EAC think that other ppl are hacking and EAC will DC you for hacking!!!

SO when will this be fixed

[spiral lichen]

Nice!

[knotty geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-keegan-peele-dance-noice-gif-4842557

[unreal igloo]

[vocal shard]

this isnt nice….i want it fixed

[mellow ibex]

are VRCHAT public lobbies safe rn? I just hear a lot about how crashers are everywhere and hackers are runnin rampant, genuine question not tryna spark arguments with either side

[modern vine]

you should be fine, its just a boycott

[mellow ibex]

Oh aight, thank you!

[modern vine]

also since when is there quest avi audio?

a quest avatar was playing music today and im on quest

[full sail]

Neat!

[rain vault]

damn this chat is dead

[mellow ibex]

It kinda nice that it aint so chaotic tho

[rain vault]

this one has a 15 second lower slowmode so this one should be more active

[pale forge]

I do get crashes but only at night and no hackers thankfully

[whole forge]

Has anyone seen that new vrchat documentary?

[exotic flicker]

slowmode? more like hard mode. i have to troll twice as many people per message to keep up

[full sail]

Even at its peak((for this shenanigans)) gen2 is pretty chill. It's comfy

[rigid crescent]

Have you? is it any good?

[whole forge]

I’ve seen it. Its a decent documentary in my opinion

[uncut glade]

Aight thought I would ask here, since here is less bashing.

Anyone else experiecing really slow DL times in VRC?
Worlds about 1mbit a sec.
Avatars same?

It feels weird to me

Oh yea please tag me, if you respond

[fair ruin]

EAC does nothing because theres still hackers and cheaters and crashers

[noble depot]

Try clearing the game's cache and restarting your router? otherwise I'd recommend trying Cloudflare Warp o:

[fair ruin]

Just an FIY, i dont understand this anymore.

[uncut glade]

internet itself is fine, only vrc is slow. cleared cache, will report tomorrow, or on restart

[exotic flicker]

vrc always had cheaters and crashers lol

[fair ruin]

Yep so EAC is doing nothing, just a waste of time

[noble depot]

Although your connection may be fine to most sites/services, that def doesn't mean it'll work for all - whenever you connect to something, your packets have to take a route through a number of unaffiliated, unrelated servers to get there (endpoints). If any of those endpoints are being slow or otherwise not working, you'll see connection issues

Using a VPN (like Cloudflare Warp, notably not affected by the ASN blocks unlike others) can help with that, by routing around the bad endpoint(s)

[exotic flicker]

they got a bazillion dollars for sticking it in thats not bad

[noble depot]

I don't like the addition of EAC either, but spreading misinfo isn't helping anyone.

[exotic flicker]

the servers dont run themselves moron

[fair ruin]

And they also lost money too—

[noble depot]

resorting to insults woo
And no they don't, which is what the investments and vrc+ money is for - their investment history is public, you can see they haven't gotten anything from Epic

[exotic flicker]

do you have a better explanation than a stipulation from anthos?

[fair ruin]

What

[fading sentinel]

Has anybody else got the new VRChat update to work under Proton on Linux, in the security update blog it said "EAC works fine on these platforms." but I haven't been able to get it to work myself

[exotic flicker]

experimental proton works for 90%

[noble depot]

Modified client use has been a problem in the game for years - the addition of EasyAntiCheat was a (misguided, imo) attempt at resolving that
It's been planned since at least December of last year anyhow, this wasn't just a sudden choice
<#vrchat-general-1 message>

[fading sentinel]

will switch to experimental branch 👍

[exotic flicker]

vrc devs are not dumb enough to enforce their tos against modded clients. theyve known better from the start. they have a reason this time

[fair ruin]

The vrc devs are kinda dumb but smart in a way? If that makes sense

[fading sentinel]

Wasn't there a underground client scene with paid clients usually containing malware?

[fair ruin]

Unsure

[noble depot]

yup - keyloggers, adding systems to botnets, etc

[fair ruin]

I wanna be so off topic rn😭

[fading sentinel]

I'm not super up to date with whatevers going on with vrc, was sent to this discord by a friend to ask about getting Proton working again cus she couldn't help me,
personally i don't mind the addition of EAC, i just think it was added in a rush so some edges haven't been shaved

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sneak-sneaky-spy-creeping-gif-16630574

for some reason i was put in time out

[somber palm]

I was really hoping all this backlash would've resulted in a greater playercount loss.
It was trending down but I don't think it was enough to show the true effect of the community..
gg VrChat, I think they won locking down there platform.

I really did have high hopes before this, it's been a pleasure for the 3k hrs and memories 💔

[jolly heron]

i havent played vrchat in months, whats the toggle mic button for pc again? i completely forgot

[edgy anchor]

v

[gaunt blaze]

v i think

[noble depot]

it's v, ye

[gaunt blaze]

gen1 is just argue and shout channel at this point lel

[jolly heron]

thank yoouuouo

[shy monolith]

casually sipping coffee in my Tower Unite condo

So...How are things in VR land currently?

[edgy anchor]

last few days after eac are some of the best i've ever had in public worlds

[shy monolith]

Mmm. Nice, nice. Personally I'm on the fence regarding the whole thing, however I haven't really had that much playtime myself.

I know why they added it, but I will not debate on the fact that the execution was pitiful. A medieval executioner with a blunt axe could've executed something better tbh.

But hey, I don't make the decisions lmao

[noble depot]

I don't like EAC being added, and I do think the execution of it's implementation could've been done a lot better - but also, people's responses to it have been eesh

the amount of dehumanization, vitriol, death/bomb/dox threats sent to the devs over this is disgusting

[golden rose]

It's good entertainment seeing the internet do what it does best by overreacting to the smallist of things instead of just going outside and making friends

Or playing other games

[abstract abyss]

i mean true man but mods also ban people who calmly disagree

[golden rose]

Eh we don't own the server

They can do whatever they want and in turn we can stop playing video games but... No let's dox them!!!

You've been typing for a while

Holy shit he's still typing

[shy monolith]

Oh indeed. I think a lot of that has to do with EAC's reputation as a less-than-ideal system that has costs that outweigh the benefits, but that doesn't excuse some of the backlash I've been seeing.

Now thankfully I haven't really needed any mods or relied on any for playing VRchat, And I don't mean to discredit people who do, but a lot of the arguments can be boiled down to:

1.) Screw you, I need mods to play the game because of a physical disability!
2.) Screw you, I need mods to play the game because I'm running off a less-than-ideal rig!
3.) Screw you, Mods are fun!

I can understand the perspective on all 3, but I should note that since this game is built in Unity of all things, its not as...stable...as one might want it to be. Adding EAC may help some but it won't be foolproof. It will, however at the very least, mitigate the number of issues caused by mods so as to actually fix issues that exist within the game's code itself.

Apologies for the Thesis, the slowmode is very annoying sometimes.

[noble depot]

the addition of EAC will help with people reporting issues caused by their mods, at least
It's always Fun™ to troubleshoot with someone for hours, only for them to reveal they're using mods, and uninstalling them fixed the issue

that eats up a lot of official support's time as well, along with lots of tickets on the Canny

[golden rose]

Unity isnt that bad in my experience it's just a lot of stuff in the game is horribly optimised like maps and avatars because the bar to make it is rather low

[noble depot]

ye, a lot of, if not most of, the game's infamous performance issues is thanks to unoptimized user-generated content
with Excellent avatars or just being by myself, I can hit ~80FPS on my 970m, i7-6700HQ system in VR lol

[hushed salmon]

Kumbaya my Lord kumbaya🎶

[golden rose]

Correct me if I'm wrong but from memory there was barely any performance settings like reducing quality of avatars instead of just hiding them

[noble depot]

there's lots of performance options the game gives - antialiasing, the graphics presets (which mainly affect LOD distances and shadow cascades), the minimum displayed avatar rank, the config file (can limit particles there instead of outright disabling them, if you want), safety settings, and etc
and that's without getting into SteamVR's built-in video settings, and your system's graphics drivers

[golden rose]

Hmm I stand corrected

[rugged agate]

I think the biggest thing to lose from mods is the OpenVR mod which used an AI upscaling tool called FSR. You could get a similar visual quality while greatly reducing the load on your GPU by downsampling the game and then using AI to upscale it again. VRChat doesn't have anything like that yet so it's a net loss for anyone who needed that to get stable frames.

[vocal shard]

Is there going to be a dev update post today? Getting pretty late and its still MIA

[sharp saddle]

I don't think FSR works with Unity 2019. It was hackneyed in or greatly modified for compatibility, more than likely.

Apparently it was officially introduced in Unity 2021 per this thread: https://forum.unity.com/threads/amd-fidelityfx-super-resolution-fsr-preview-now-available.1141495/

[frail pendant]

FSR isnt an AI

[rugged agate]

Ah, right. That's NVidia's version of it. Either way the effect is similar. Render at a smaller resolution because that's more performant, then upscale the result intelligently so it still looks acceptable.

[silver ruin]

Ever since the update and even reinstalling the game, my buddy has been having some jittery movement stuff going on for his game and ONLY VRChat. Anyone else come across this issue yet?

[sharp saddle]

I mean, I have. But it's not really that big of issue. Could be the client itself being weird.

[robust forge]

I don't have that issue, but my game just won't load publics anymore, it gets so bad to the point that sometimes it won't even load my home instance and occasionally causes the game to just crash entirely...

[lime jungle]

i do have a bit, when i try turn it turns me one way then another, its odd

[vast ore]

yo guys I’m new for this game, is there anybody could carry me?

[fading sentinel]

Got it working now

[high storm]

what does that mean?

[vast ore]

Just I want somebody play with me together

[rocky bolt]

bro said carry like it’s apex

[high storm]

wouldn't say "carry" is the right word you want

[vast ore]

Ohh my bed but now you guys get it

[cosmic needle]

Has vrchat been lagging today or could it be I made 3 avatars quest compatible?

[west peak]

my performance has been quite a bit lower since the update

[cosmic needle]

I got on even after the update & it was fine .. got on today & it's just lagging

[runic hollow]

hi

[bold flame]

hi

[balmy kettle]

anyone wanna play vrchat rn

[safe inlet]

Way way way way way too hot to put on my VR headset, so I'll pass

[bold flame]

sure

[green wadi]

what du you guys thinnk about the new update

[prime sparrow]

new to this game......what do I expect

[dire flint]

Heyy

[mint crag]

why is vrchat extending soft bans rn?

[meager solstice]

Honestly wish it was announced differently but could care less since the features r coming

[gaunt lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swivbEsD50

[slow lance]

Does anyone know if the new update is preventing VRC from allowing programs like SLOBS and OBS to conmtinue to capture the stream camera? Ran into that today and curious.

If so, is there a thing that needs to be turned on/changed to allow it?

[wet lark]

I heard ppl getting banned over having flying avatars cuz they r “malicious avatars” like wat the heck how? Its an avatar made in unity 2 just fly…

[lucid compass]

Devs probably scared that the avatars are using modded clients.

[wet lark]

But they were made like a long time ago n wat i cant use them now?

[lucid compass]

Ping a mod?

[wet lark]

😅 kinda scared 2 honestly..

I’ll just accept being banned over my lag 2 where i cant climb on stuff very good n using my flying avatar 2 even try n hang with my friends..

[leaden edge]

If its something you "heard" its probably fake. I would be asking for some sorta proof before blindly believing its true.

[wet lark]

I mean i can c it happening cuz with mods u could fly..

[muted wharf]

Nope.

[leaden edge]

Its just people like to fear monger to make out that vrc moderators are just bad when its the opposite.

[wet lark]

Just dont wanna b banned and knowing my luck i would 4 having a flying avatar lol.. cuz i was gonna make my main avatar fly and was gonna have a friend help me set it up in unity…

[leaden edge]

You wont be banned for having an avatar that can fly.

[muted wharf]

^ You will not. Don't fall for the fearmongering.

[wet lark]

🥺

Just paranoid on the wat ifs like always… 😞

[leaden edge]

Anything that will result in moderation against your account is in the ToS/rules (whatever you wanna call it). If anyone states otherwise they are just wrong.

[hollow grove]

what about an avatar that can toggle off. things.

[leaden edge]

Thats a very broad question. If you mean like toggle off clothes its fine unless it becomes nsfw.

[wet lark]

But wat if its a nsfw avatar but ur in a private world n u kno that if some1 else in the room is 18+ (im assuming thats wat they r kinda wondering or hoping anyway cuz nsfw should stay in private worlds if u gonna strip)

[lyric eagle]

Can I toggle off my situational anxiety

[leaden edge]

Thats a ban. perma no chance to appeal

[leaden edge]

Its never been allowed. If you look at the community guidelines it states nudity isn't allowed.

[wet lark]

shrugs idk iv never used em even if i found some cute 1s that could iv never toggled it cuz i have no reason 2 but I normally just lounge in a sfw guy avatar..

[leaden edge]

With that being said 100% moderation on all content is impossible so private worlds have been like a "safe" zone so to speak. As they rely on people reporting for moderation to happen, which is why you would see these avatars from time to time and people like to break the rules.

[vocal shard]

general 1 is a lot ._.

[safe inlet]

None of the NSFW avatars are cute. They have nasty looking faces and horrible proportions, with gross hands that don't function like hands. Don't blaspheme around me.

[leaden edge]

Always will be

[vocal shard]

nsfw avatars are weird

[wet lark]

No some r actually pretty cute tho hard to find tho i never cared 2 look i just want more male models that arent covered in more tattoos then clothes 🥲

[vocal shard]

you could always make one

[wet lark]

Thats requires money cuz i cant sculpt worth shit nor can i rig anything

[spiral lichen]

There is a really good male avatar by Reflex that fits that description. Best male avi ive used. I bought and uploaded it

[wet lark]

Can u link it?

[vocal shard]

time to learn how to do that :D

[spiral lichen]

https://reflexx.gumroad.com/?recommended_by=search

[steady moss]

the female ones all have talons for nails.

[safe inlet]

Yes, and they're horrifying

[wet lark]

But im stupid 🥲

[spiral lichen]

He has good content. I bought the silent model. I'll be uploading it to CVR as soon as they resolve server issues xD

[vocal shard]

many youtube videos can help you get started out

[safe inlet]

you could use something like vroid studio, if you like anime-ish styles.

[steady moss]

you're outta your mind if you think I'm paying 40-50 dollars for a bunch of other people's stuff amalgamated into the most generic looking eboy ever

[wet lark]

Thanks!

[spiral lichen]

Sure thing 👍

[vocal shard]

fbt is my most favorite thing getting

[spiral lichen]

CVR gained official Melon support. woo! Excited to see where it goes and where the competition between CVR and VRC takes social VR games

[vocal shard]

cvr is very laggy for me

i mean like fps lag not ping

[spiral lichen]

Ohhh interesting. The comparison tests that ive seen done on youtube show in favor of CVR in terms of performance

[vocal shard]

i have a bad pc so that might be the thing

on vrc i get like 20-40 fps

[spiral lichen]

From what I've seen in terms of its optimization, it should still run better than VRC. I wonder what would cause that.

[wispy hearth]

🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

[vocal shard]

i cant even join their discord to try to get it fixed becasue i joine 100+ servers 😭

[spiral lichen]

Either way, a lot of talent moved to CVR, exciting to see where it goes.

[vocal shard]

i like too many avatars on vrc to quit it

[spiral lichen]

Yeah that is a problem haha. Luckily for me most of the avatars I main I uploaded so I can just migrate them over. I'm hoping some creators move their content to CVR too. Especially some of the worlds. IMO VRC is great only because of the content creators (Worlds and avatars)

[safe inlet]

Stop fearmongering, CVR is garbage and was dead for a reason. Everyone who quit will be back within days to a week.

[spiral lichen]

You consider that fearmongering ?? maybe you should check your definitions.

[vocal shard]

the only avatar creators i know of is godfall so i wouldnt know if they went to cvr or not

[spiral lichen]

I'm in some avatar creator discords but I haven't looked through who is doing what. I just buy their stuff. I'm more active reading the mod communities

[vocal shard]

Fearmongering??! LOL

i dont have the money for avatars 😭

[marble gale]

Clearly you haven't checked CVR.

[safe inlet]

It's VRchat made by a bunch of 15 year olds who don't know how to code properly, and it's jank as shit. And a lot of the assets are, quite literally, ripped from VRC. Don't know how it isn't DMCAd.

[spiral lichen]

LOL. ok. Well even if that is the case they have a lot of talent that moved over there and are working on building the project.

[marble gale]

You mean talented coders who made all of the features that vrchat has yet to add?

[vocal shard]

Chill you’re fearmongering

[spiral lichen]

🤣

[vocal shard]

chill youre talking about another game calm down

[sharp saddle]

Really?

[wet lark]

Im excited 2 try cvr my friend streamed it n it ran pretty nice

[safe inlet]

Yep. Go look at a video of it. The tracking is like you're playing through a Kinect. And you'll recognize some of the worlds.

[wet lark]

Cuz some of the creators uploaded them 2 it..

[covert pelican]

so is general 2 the room for just being chill? I dig it lol

[safe inlet]

No, they were ripped. Creators are pissed in some cases.

[spiral lichen]

Well this has been entertaining. Was surprised to have an engaging conversation here. Kono is the only one that seems to be a little confused. I hope you all have a great night :)

[vocal shard]

for the few minutes i was inside of cvr it looked as good as vrc

[marble gale]

I've seen many fbt users on there and they're doing just fine.

[vocal shard]

Kisses xoxo have a good night fearmongerer

[wet lark]

Have a goodnight it was good chatting with u @spiral lichen 😊

[vocal shard]

gnite

[shell geyser]

Sure

[worthy helm]

Can you see people that aren't on the beta branch while trying out the beta branch or does it separate the instances

[open crescent]

separate (unless stated otherwise in the official announcements)

[storm matrix]

what to do if you keep getting stuck on the blue bubbly loading screen

[spiral lichen]

Thanks @vocal shard @wet lark @vocal shard ~ I was timed out so I couldn't say before xD

[wet lark]

Lol its fine 😊

[fresh thunder]

the main issue with CVR is looking up avatars compared to VRC but all of godfalls avatars are on CVR sense the conversation process is very easy for avatars. also your FPS you can change the graphics setting in CVR so you should be able to get better FPS.

[vocal shard]

the menu is very confusing

[coral current]

So how is the current state of the server?

[sharp saddle]

Slowly getting better.

[coral current]

It's getting there at least

[vocal shard]

The sad thing is that more people leave Vrchat and more crashers keep ruining peoples enjoyment from there

[coral current]

Feels like the game is going backwards in terms of community

[vocal shard]

I really don’t know what to do without VRCHAT

i can barley find pc players now lol it’s all quest users

yo i can

[coral current]

Nah sorry, I'm currently on basically withdrawal from that game

[vocal shard]

No thanks, I careless about the game

Right now I’m feeling depressed

[coral current]

I mean there are a lot of different games rn that could help

I heard a lot of people moved to ChilloutVR, plus you could just play something completely different like Green Hell VR or Onward or something else

[molten schooner]

Something i can do

[cold phoenix]

aight,just gunna confirm something real quick cuz of another stupid argument my friend is having: NSFW stuff,not allowed at all under tos,or allowed only in private and unshown instances

[vernal plank]

Any one have a anime avatar with lazy eyes dm me

[vocal shard]

i mean one of the loading thingies said that you cant have them in public worlds

[molten schooner]

I'd say just in publics

[vocal shard]

dosent say anything about private

[cold phoenix]

yea,thats why im confused,lotsa people saying its just entirely disallowed under tos ^^" alrighty

[molten schooner]

In privates, that would mean a friendo reported ya

[vernal plank]

Any one have a anime avatar with lazy eyes dm me

[vocal shard]

do you mean like a derpy avatar?

[vernal plank]

Yeah ig u can say that

[vocal shard]

should prob go into #avatar-search-old for if youre looking for an avatar

[vernal plank]

I did

[white canyon]

I cant walk through any portals other than the tutorial one

[open crescent]

not allowed in private, never allowed at all https://hello.vrchat.com/community-guidelines

[open crescent]

that is correct

[open crescent]

it's a stupid wording and people misinterpret it constantly because of that, Very frustrating that after years they haven't changed it.
but read https://hello.vrchat.com/community-guidelines
not allowed, ever

[exotic flicker]

its only allowed if nobody sees it

[rich prawn]

vrchat said fun isn’t allowed

[vocal shard]

here becomes the chaos

[steady vessel]

Men

Kinda always has been

[eager wind]

in the words of Keanu reeves, what's the worst crime you can commit? getting caught.

[steady vessel]

Its kinda 1/5 times you’d run into one, crashers still exist but only really just crash your game

[vocal shard]

i just got disconnected from vrc and it said Unusual client behavior im confused

People are seriously upset about not being able to use mods that made the game run smoother

Jesus fucking christ that is pathetic as fuck

Either grow the fuck up or don't play vrchat. Vrchat runs fine for me idky Y'all seem so upset about a few mods that give you slightly better fps

So far things have been fine so

[restive estuary]

I was crashing before the update so I can’t even tell

[daring thorn]

Well i hope the new particle limiter in the beta will help with crashers

[main rover]

tbf, without a powerful pc vrchat can run incredibly slowly in high populated lobbys

[daring thorn]

Why is this general so dead compared to the first one

[vocal shard]

Apparently this update has "ruined vrchat" my guy I think you are overreacting

[honest stratus]

How tf do you fry a headset? lmao

[unkempt halo]

No need to talk In it Ig

[dry marsh]

they JUST released another blog post. so things will get a bit talkative in here for a bit

ohhh. my bad

[vocal shard]

Vrchat "hasn't been ruined" because you can't run a few mods. I've played vrchat for a few months and everything has ran fine for me

[restive estuary]

Let’s talk about the new “text to speech” feature they are adding for mute people, that’s pretty cool right?

[honest stratus]

I'm trying to figure out the logistics of that but I cannot

[main rover]

That's what I'm looking forward to, hopefully they can implement it well

[dry marsh]

in know. they are also thinking of putting in little speach bubbles =] i love it XD like a cartoon character =p

[honest stratus]

You can't lmao

[bold flame]

imagine the amount of people that would abuse the use of it.. 😭😭

[main rover]

how would it be abused?

[dry marsh]

how?

[bold flame]

People spamming things in it, if it's used to say something (such as a robots voice generating something) kids would take that as an advantage to put stupidly long things

[main rover]

it would likely to be able to be muted, also that's no different from kids micspamming

[honest stratus]

lmao they blocked me because they knew they were talking bs about bricking peoples hardware with "hacks"

[dry marsh]

so just mute em like anyone else?

[bold flame]

True, it would still be annoying lmaoo

(screw damn time limit bruh.)

[main rover]

yeah tru, I wonder if they would add any filtering to it

[dry marsh]

i don't know? maybe. if there would be it would likely be on the speech bubbles too

[bold flame]

Yeah but would they make it where if you mute them it mutes both mic nd text to speech or just one? bc if it's only one they could js switch and i'm too lazy to mute two things js cuz a idiot is being stupid

[torpid elm]

Are they still working on it I’m confused on the announcement

[dry marsh]

also im glad about the "hide by distance" i don't need to see the avi of someone behind 3 walls on the other side of the world =p

[main rover]

yeah that should definitely help performance a lot in populated lobbys

[bold flame]

Ohhh for like low quality mirrors or??

[dry marsh]

its a "here is what we've go so far, but it still needs work". mostly just cluing people in on whats being worked on

[torpid elm]

Ok thanks

[main rover]

in the blog post, avatars are auto hidden and replaced with a grey sims like diamond, which should help performance greatly

[vocal shard]

think it is for like avatar loading,

[dry marsh]

how do you think the mirror renders them in the first place? their avatar is still processing all its animations n everything even behind the walls

[thorny nacelle]

Hi pretty calm tchat

[bold flame]

i'm confused.

[dull vapor]

Just hopped off vrc for the first time since update 😢 it was SO UNBELIEVABLY laggy. Ive never had issues with my avis/worlds id go to. and now its so bad. I hope they fix it!

[dry marsh]

yeah. dont go to g1 for anything comprehensible XD

[vocal shard]

hellos

[thorny nacelle]

I mean, they answer to question ,that's cool lol

[bold flame]

I haven't lagged at all, i mean if i go to specific laggy worlds i lag, i'm confused on why people are getting laggy. Is it just headset age or??

[dull vapor]

I had safety settings all the way up. Only showed mine and my bfs avis. and the lag was HORRIBLE. ive never had that issue ever 😢

[main rover]

headset age shouldn't do much, but vr is VERY performance heavy, even mid tier computers can lag in it.

[vocal shard]

like the new open beta update or normal?

[main rover]

are you quest or pc?

[bold flame]

That's weird...from what i've seen and heard me nor my friends have had the lag issue..

[dull vapor]

Pc. index and full body.

And im not sure, just update with no mods of any type. everything back to basics

[main rover]

Could you list ur pc specs? cpu/gpu

[dull vapor]

Yes! gimme a sec

[vocal shard]

i have a gtx 1650 and an amd ryzen 5 2600 and i havent lagged all to much

[cold phoenix]

just realised vrchat guidelines say "We do not permit political or religious figures and symbology." in it

ive seen more then enough of that in public worlds to raise a brow there ^^"

[vernal jewel]

honestly, i was on (still on) the fuck vrc train. but what they're adding is so refreshing. hopefully they add all the good mod features we all used and allow modders to come back.

[blazing lance]

lmao holy shit, the new open beta sets off EAC

[vocal shard]

where you finding these lobbies id rather have that then kids screaming in my ears

[dull vapor]

Gpu: Geforce rtx 3090
Cpu: Intel Core i9-10850K (3.6 GHz base frequency, up to 5.2 GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology, 20 MB L3 cache, 10 cores)

[vocal shard]

im on it rn and nothing has gone wrong

[cold phoenix]

oh,i kept world hopping lobbies till i had 5 minutes of pleasant background conversation in one XD takes some work

[bold flame]

Bro i get both of those in lobbies..and the ones with the guys that ask me out (when i'm very clearly sitting with my boyfriend)

[blazing lance]

its not immediate but i got disconnected after about 30ish minutes of playtime

[main rover]

yeah your specs are way above mine, so either the world you were in had a person in a client attempting to crash you, the world itself was super laggy, or a background application was tanking performance

[cold phoenix]

also group event lobbies where people are kinda screened before being allowed to enter :3 dance clubs were nice

[blazing lance]

never used a modded client or anything like that either

[main rover]

it could've also been a steamvr/hardware issue, lagging with hardware that powerful isn't normal

[dull vapor]

See but i was laggy in the og home world alone. 😢 so i don't understand jfndkdndkdndk

[round igloo]

I can only go in public lobbies when I have a group of friends with me, too nervous otherwise a lot of the time lmao

[main rover]

yeah must've been some sort of background program or something

[bold flame]

Nervous as in social anxiety nervous or?

[round igloo]

social anxiety is a big part of it; also doesn't help that I've had a group of teenage/college age boys harass me in public lobbies before for sounding 15, as if that's something I can control LOL

[vocal shard]

o okie, sorry to bother but is xso better then toolkit?

[main rover]

people will always try to mess wit people, best to just block them, even if your pride tries to stop you

[cold phoenix]

used to be like that,then covid happened,got stuck alone for a couple years,realised that whatever anyone else can say or do cant be worse then my own damn mind ^^" made things alot easier for me (disclaimer i still usually need 1 friend near or avaliable in case a panic attack sets in tho,so its not perfect)

[dull vapor]

Maybe.. but unlikely cause i never have anything open other then my usual Spotify etc. I never had this before update with mods. so if its update related i hope they fix it soon. Cause the lag is horrible and makes the experience less enjoyable

[bold flame]

People seem to love harassing others. I get harassed just because i'm a female..Like i get called slurs and shit like that for turning a dude down lmfao. They act like i'm the only female left in the world or that there's not single chicks around haha.

[main rover]

is it still currently happening? if so it would likely be a good idea to contact vrc support

[vocal shard]

have you tried playing with the open beta?

[dull vapor]

It happened the whole time i was online. (3 hours roughly)

And again im not sure what version i have. I just know i had to reinstall vr after deleting my Qol mods. and now its lagging 😢

[round igloo]

haha very true, I'm just still kind of learning to get a thicker skin about that kind of stuff :x I'm admittedly a pretty sensitive person

and awww very fair Alicia, my bf or a couple of my besties usually tag along if I go in public worlds, that way if things are getting a bit unpleasant then we can just bounce, lol

edit: and of course I have met a lot of sweet people too! sometimes just feels like the bad experiences stick with you more x_x

[cold phoenix]

yep ^w^ and company's always a plus anyways :3

mhm,theres always some really nice and sweet people out there,theyre just hiding like we are amongst the uncomfortably loud crowd XD

[vocal shard]

people be too thirsty, the amount of times people have came up to me flirting and after i tell them in lesbian they start to call me a bitch lol

[spice sequoia]

Where's the dude who got doxxed

[bold flame]

Right...I can be sitting there cuddling with my boyfriend (we use matching avatars that are obviously matching and we also got matching pfps so it's not hard to tell??) and they'll ask me out. it's so fucking annoying. Childish asf too if you ask me

[round igloo]

how dare you have a sexual orientation that doesn't include them specifically, blasphemy! /s

I don't understand why some guys think a woman they just met that doesn't even know them would be interested in them anyways, NGL...

[vocal shard]

whyre people talking about sexual orientation when none of these mfkrs even have it

[vocal shard]

you must be very smart

[vocal shard]

how dare you be gay smh my head my heads/j

[bold flame]

Bro I remember the time a older dude tried asking me out w/o knowing my age. it's honestly sad. I get I sound like i'm over 18 but read my bio before you try asking me out, it either says my age or that i'm a minor..🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[main rover]

There are some ppl in vrc that actually target ppl that are minors

[vocal shard]

people are so weird

[main rover]

Yeah if you ever have somebody that continues trying to flirt after you tell them ur age, instantly block them

[bold flame]

I know. There was some guy that asked me if i was a minor (he was over 18) and when i told him i was he walked off and came back 2 minutes later asking if i was sure if i was.. then my bf and his friend started making fun of him and he used childish jokes like "your mom" lmfao.

(i hate this timer bc i wanna respond and js have a non slow convo with multiple people)

[cold phoenix]

some people are just down bad,thirsty and have no sense of social cues and/or respect ^^"

[vocal shard]

you sure you havent been alive for more then 18 years? you really sure?

[obsidian helm]

lmao

[main rover]

lol

[bold flame]

LMFAO. Yeah no i'm not sure how long i've literally lived. Mind puzzling smh

[main rover]

Imagine being gaslit abt ur age

[bold flame]

💀🙏

[main rover]

"ur so weird, why do you keep calling urself a minor? you're already 15"

[cold phoenix]

bad bad bad sooooo bad ,NOPE

[round igloo]

maybe your sundial was just off by a couple thousand days, y'know? musta forgot to account for daylight savings or smth 💀

[bold flame]

There's also people that tell me i'm lying about my age just because of how i sound...Like it's not my fault i sound grown 🤷‍♀️

[main rover]

at least you aren't one of those ppl in their mid twenties that were doomed with a high pitched voice

[obsidian helm]

older people assume that 15's not old enough shit I sound like a goddamn 40 year old

[vocal shard]

how dare you have vocal cords that arent of a anime girl, youre not one of my anime goddeses, you must be lying

[main rover]

^

[cold phoenix]

god,that woulda made my life so much easier! would save me over 8k in surgery ^^"

[restive estuary]

Girls tend to sound like prepubescent boys online

[bold flame]

"oh yeah i'm 16" "No your not stop lying. how old are you? your above 18 for sure."

[round igloo]

voice is generally just a horribly bad indicator for age; there are 13, 14 year old boys I can remember having talked to on discord servers when I was younger that sounded between 17 and 25, everyone's vocal cords change at different rates lmao

[bold flame]

Sorry want me to sound like your average 12 year old boy.

[main rover]

this ^ I've seen 12 yr olds sounding like they're going through a midlife crisis