#vrchat-general-2

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compact tapir
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And that's not any better in my opinion, does that imply vrchat is gonna implement another form of getting our money other than vrc+? What, we gonna have to buy models directly from vrchat? That's where I see this game going

open crescent
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how about you read the part where it says the aren't planning to go into crypto, and the job is not about crypto

lyric eagle
umbral reef
earnest chasm
open crescent
lyric eagle
peak mauve
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I literally posted a link to an official answer from Sacheverell (Trust & Safety Lead), but people still keep bitching around this topic, jeez...

light dust
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i dont believe this one bit i want an announcement of them clearing up what they intend to do with that job role not just showing us they has that opening there and telling us "oh this is what it could be used for"

compact tapir
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Look all I'm saying is, vrchat is going down this safe "corporate" path for a while now and that's never good. It's fueled by the Zuck and will just be too regulated for its own good

umbral reef
earnest chasm
light dust
peak mauve
leaden edge
open crescent
umbral reef
# light dust im not lying its my opinion bub

Your opinion is based on clear lies and fake news.
You have made statements that are clear lies and harmfull 'predictions'

The literally cant add crypto bullshit without getting into major problems, stop being delusional on this. Im the only one allowed to be that.

peak mauve
vocal shard
lyric eagle
leaden edge
earnest chasm
lyric eagle
umbral reef
open crescent
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it is true, fighting with tantrum making kids will not help them specifically, but maybe some one that's not a troll with reasonable doubts will take a look at real information and become more informed and less ridiculous

lyric eagle
peak mauve
light dust
umbral reef
elfin turret
lyric eagle
peak mauve
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fr

umbral reef
lyric eagle
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who tf is accusing anyone of bigotry but you

sharp saddle
peak mauve
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gen-2 is becoming a subsidiary of gen-1 again?

umbral reef
ripe thorn
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i don't agree with the update but the amount of people harassing the devs is saddening everyones fucking human like jesus christ

vocal shard
peak mauve
elfin turret
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Wow would you look at that

hushed cradle
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ive been out of the discord today, any news about the update that i should know?

lyric eagle
viral tendon
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Am I the only one who can’t go into worlds in vrchat, it just loading but then sends you back to your home world

umbral reef
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Fairly sure he got ya mixed up with someone else that had the same rought color sheme as pfp

It took me also a few seconds to realize you where someone else then who posted earlier

ripe thorn
elfin turret
vocal shard
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So wait

If the EAC detects a modded client is the user banned or just simply rejected access to the game until they remove it

heady hemlock
ripe thorn
vocal shard
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Just unable to access the game until you remove any sorts of modification

hushed cradle
vocal shard
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That cleared that then thanks guys

peak mauve
golden tulip
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my vrchat action menu wont pop up as soon as i join a game

ripe thorn
umbral reef
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Welp its 2:30 am for me, i did my night fitness round so guess imma sleep or something
Take care qties, dont spread rumors or the boogie man will get you

elfin turret
dreamy ore
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this is lame

peak mauve
vocal shard
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What if I'm both a Questie and a PCVR player? vrcAevSip

ripe thorn
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best case scenario vrchat adds all the accessibility features in a relatively short while

stuck parrot
ashen sail
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Vrchat just delete over 4 thousand negative recent reviews

hushed cradle
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Vrchat team making this update: we're Making the mother of all omelettes here Jack. Can't fret over every egg

ripe thorn
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theres plenty of people still on vrchat

elfin turret
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Ew whattt

peak mauve
regal vortex
quaint forge
ripe thorn
vocal shard
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You refuse to listen to people specifically entitled with something, while we aren't actually any different from being members of this server. I guess you can go ahead and keep that thought, but just saying, you are missing out on some legit advice and instruction, not from us being Nitro Booster, but us being just regular users as you. vrcFPaulSip

hushed cradle
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i trust the team has some sort of plan, they couldn't have done this without a plan right?

regal vortex
elfin turret
quaint forge
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Oh gee wiz I missed that. Also nice, not enough decent VRC sergal avis

peak mauve
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There are ≈59320 people online on VRChat right now, ≈18789 of which are on Steam and ≈40531 on Quest Standalone/Oculus Store/Website

elfin turret
regal vortex
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Impossible.

vocal shard
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Are there any one-handed avatars in VRChat that I can search up by the way? I only have the left controller to play VRChat with mUmSad

regal vortex
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Haters are always louder than the non-haters anyways. Just ask youtubers regarding negative comments. (I know not a great comparison, but it's all I got)

hushed cradle
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what i don't understand is that
clients weren't the crashing issues
it was the avis

vocal shard
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It was both

ripe thorn
elfin turret
regal vortex
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Going to be glad I can sit in black cat and not have client morons forcing all the mirrors on for everyone, and making objects circle around people they don't like

craggy path
vocal shard
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Anyone know what to do if i cant open the anti cheat setup?

urban mirage
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So they did this just to gain more control of the game right? This can’t be about security

vocal shard
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Welp, lucky you, because I used to be in public lobbies where there was an audio crasher rampaging and everyone got crashed. The audio was pretty obnoxious as well vrcTupDead

ripe thorn
magic gate
regal vortex
craggy path
elfin turret
ripe thorn
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atleast it will stop a lot of script kiddies

urban mirage
hushed cradle
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they did this with misguided intentions, what they should have done is launch steam workshop modding along with the anticheat, still would hit hard but not as bad

exotic prism
magic gate
regal vortex
worldly lintel
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good song and or movie and or book

urban mirage
# exotic prism Chedds dont give them ideas

They have the ideas. They got 80 mil in funding to turn vrchat into a digital marketplace. I suspect this update has more to do with that and almost nothing to do with securoty

ripe thorn
regal vortex
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Where in my sentence did I mention it was impossible.

urban mirage
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The game needs more security but the larger function of the anti cheat seems to be to remove other peoples ability to add features

magic gate
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it's faster in terms of dev time for them to just add the features from mods back themselves, then add a whole fancy system for checking and and verifying mods
-- unless you wanna complain about them pushing updates even slower I guess --

hushed cradle
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they will fix their mistake, if they dont then their investors are gonna leave, because the game is gonna plummet sooner than later

worldly lintel
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pat @short egret

regal vortex
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My bad :(

ripe thorn
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they will fix it all with the accessibility features in due time

stuck parrot
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Except of course, without the express written permission of the modders, doing so would be IP theft, opening them up to losing even more money

urban mirage
mellow schooner
magic gate
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EAC does do it natively, but im talking about functionality tests, implementation, and the creation of systems that prevent unauthorised mods
This isn't 'just' a small change, a lot of non-developers seem to forget

ripe thorn
hushed cradle
lethal terrace
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I’m gonna play vrc and just cry while y’all do this shit.

exotic prism
magic gate
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I will bet $50 on it - PM me.

open crescent
lethal terrace
hushed cradle
quaint forge
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testdostrees still here 6 hrs later to own the mod users

urban mirage
sharp saddle
ripe thorn
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people are overreacting way too much over an anticheat everything will be fixed soon enough

mellow schooner
lethal terrace
open crescent
viral marsh
sharp saddle
vocal shard
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i posted a copy and paste post from reddit and tupper personally came to my house and told me he is stopping the update, all my neighbors cheered and obama was there

urban mirage
regal vortex
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Movie worlds are working fine for me. Just tried LS Media, and works as normal.

open crescent
ripe thorn
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my brother in christ its a movie world and its a social game that can still be played for the most part without mods and the accessibility features 100% will be added soon enough due to the devs knowing that if they wont bad things will happen to the games rep

lethal terrace
hushed cradle
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look, if they really wanna do something, talk to the modders that made the anti crash and just, add it to the base game, simple

opal cedar
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Please be a fix

flat spruce
# ripe thorn people are overreacting way too much over an anticheat everything will be fixed ...

People are reacting the way they are because vrchat has lowkey doomed their play base with a lazy solution that hurts 70% of the community. People no longer have protections and due to the now major crashing (because you cant have anti crash) and there now being no quality of life mods that have bypassed EAC yet, people are losing friend connections, a social platform , and it feels bad. So many memories, friendships, hours have been made or put into this game and now its all gone because they didnt listen to the community.

peak mauve
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bruh...

lethal terrace
burnt anchor
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welp.

vague ravine
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no more vrc

magic gate
vocal shard
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WOW personal mirrors are really going to help😐

dawn viper
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Welp. Time to be a vr immigrant

vocal shard
peak mauve
full sail
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ngl ive not noticed a difference. just bumping around andeverything feels the same

magic gate
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First off, some that we’re aiming to get into VRChat by the end of next week:

severe estuary
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game still runs worse, and there's still spyware bundled with it so
i'm not sold on this yet idk about y'all

sharp saddle
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Isn't this what people used mods for?

still gust
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man whats the best way to deal with wave of players votekicking everyone

mortal root
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“When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"

uneven wasp
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Eac is malware!

silk berry
peak mauve
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Holy fucking shit, they've actually listened to our prayers

ripe thorn
uneven escarp
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Yet no ETA on any of the promised features

magic gate
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Yes? I'm pretty sure we'll get those in less than 2 years 0.0

vocal shard
rancid river
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I'm really nervous that they aren't addressing the security issues of eac, or that most of the intrusive mods/crashers can be worked around eac easily...

hushed cradle
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look look, i think there is a quote for this

sharp wren
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When do you think Half-Life 3 will come out?

halcyon void
proper cape
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Heres my input on the whole anticheat and why I don't understand the freak out: put yourself threw the devs shoes, theres a hacking and modding issue ruining some of the community fun via crashers, account breaches, and mods that can be game breaking. You could go the slow route however thats quite expensive it makes sense they went for the fastest. Why not suggest certain addons to be apart of the main game. Just how I see things

If someone can explain to me the other side of the coin would be very nice

hallow yew
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i need a new pc to run vrc now

jaunty hinge
mortal root
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Why roll out such a shit controversial feature before having even a roadmap for the changes people are asking for?

torpid elm
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Did they still not fix it

uneven wasp
mellow schooner
ripe thorn
craggy path
sharp wren
vocal shard
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bruh personal mirror and new menu this really fixes it why cant we have avatar search like wtf

proper cape
hushed cradle
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But who's to judge the right from wrong. When our guard is down I think we'll both agree. That violence breeds violence. But in the end it has to be this way.

jaunty hinge
vocal shard
severe estuary
tacit hearth
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Bruh I cant even open the game now I keep getting unknown file error messages and I dont even have mods. Does anyone know what could be causing it my only guess is because my steam directory is not in program files due to me moving it for other reasons?

magic gate
verbal elk
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is it ever gonna be possible to play the game using virtual desktop again

i know the eac, yada yada yada, but is there any way to make specifically virtual desktop work with it natively?

i know i can just use the steam version but like. that's inconvenient and lame.

tawny creek
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Ok so their idea is to put the update but just make the mods yall want be a vanilla feature?

dawn viper
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The amount of back lash is amazing, i dont know how your deciding to continue the game like this, but i am praying for something to happen

open crescent
vocal shard
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they should teamup with some modders

tawny creek
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is that givign backlash or? cause that sounds reasonable enough lol

mystic hawk
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This announcement literally addresses none of the issues

severe estuary
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what's worse about all of this is that the steam workshop literally exists
why didn't they leverage that, akin to what garry's mod does
instead of banning mods outright like this

proper cape
verbal elk
umbral reef
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Can i kiss the dev who didnt forget about the particle limiter?
What is it, 3 years of me complaining it aint in the game and soon 🙏

rancid river
# proper cape Heres my input on the whole anticheat and why I don't understand the freak out: ...

The amount of modders that were using malicious mods is miniscule compared to the users who were modding to improve the quality of life in-game. Now they've essentially isolated a significant portion of the community and, while I appreciate how quickly they're trying to show us what they're changing to make up for it, I don't feel like crashers are a significant enough issue to deserve this.

Modding allows a user to customize their experience with the game specific to their needs. Sure, they're changing some things around with the menus but it's never going to be what every user needs.

torpid elm
vocal shard
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So far I've had no luck finding a genshin avatar world that does Ruin Guard avatars EXSGT

vocal shard
nova yacht
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okay but why when talking about Personal Mirrors, instead of doing it yourself, you instead show footage of the mod, which under your own TOS is disallowed

ripe thorn
restive estuary
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I walked into civil war today

fresh charm
verbal elk
tacit hearth
glacial isle
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just hope they fix the performance issues brought by EAC

leaden edge
cedar abyss
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Rome wasn't build on one day either

dry gate
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I see the "Size" menu in the mirror update thing.
What does look like?? I am very curious on how they setup the mirror size feature. Are there only presets or something else...??

severe estuary
vocal shard
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DESTROYING VRC mate you dont even understand mods i understand some people used it for malicious things but most of us used it for nostalgia and make fps better or even avatar search or just to fly about and explore so shut up and think about what your saying

stiff heron
mellow schooner
hushed cradle
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I've curved my own path, you've followed your wrath; But maybe we're both the same. The world has turned, and so many have burned. But nobody is to blame. - vrchat devs

sharp wren
urban mirage
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I just hope this isn’t the first in many steps that limits functionality and hurts the community. The fact that this didn’t roll out with a big update that included features is really upsetting.

rancid river
vocal shard
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ya'll are orange people who haven't had someone join on them for 2000 hours, you don't know what it is like in a public lobby

eac fixes bigger issues than the dollar store computers that ran with client mods

wispy osprey
burnt anchor
glacial isle
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Thanks I'll try that.
I also get heavy fps-spikes whenever someone changes avatar after the update, very annoying in VR.

tiny sigil
severe estuary
urban mirage
umbral reef
leaden edge
fiery token
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It is, you just have to launch it through steam, oops responded to wrong comment LMAO

tacit hearth
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lmao EAC is just like the modern Battleye all talk but its only a thin sheet of protection

stiff heron
hushed cradle
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look we can all agree, if vrchat does die, we meeting up in wizard101 ✋

vocal shard
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those ripped avatars are really broken lmfao

i am talking about favoriting someone's PRIVATE avatar too, you can't do that without mods

but reading comprehension with mod users is ... virtually zero

mellow schooner
vocal shard
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ive used mods on vrchat for over 900 hours and all i did was change my fps , change the loading screen and be able to no clip and i bet thats what most people who used mods did too

severe estuary
# leaden edge Yes but people are stupid.

i figured it's not exactly a big issue
reply with "is your game modded?"
if reply yes, reply with "please test again with the vanilla client" or just "we don't support modded clients, sorry" and close the issue
not a big deal?

fresh charm
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As if it would shut them up, these people are going to shill for vrc and eac no matter what.

pastel lion
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bruh eac wont stop half of the shit that happens, wont stop crashers, ripping, ect.

wispy osprey
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vrchat community when the devs do what literally every other dev does: 😭

vocal shard
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this new update kinda nice ngl, i havent been crashed in publics more at all the last day and a half.

tacit hearth
tribal marsh
hushed cradle
umbral reef
restive estuary
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I’ve crashed in worlds only because my pc sucks to my knowledge

signal wasp
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The most important is not a portable mirror of to move a menu. Most important is AvatarHider, that allow to unload people’s avatar (keep only nameplate visible) depending on their distance. Increasing by 50% performances in big Vrchat rooms. Simple and efficient….

chilly hazel
muted dust
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I’m so happy there’s EAC I don’t have to deal with hackers in my high rank comp vrchat matches

tacit hearth
vocal shard
mellow schooner
# umbral reef No 🙂 I wont check the link

It's a VRChat feedback link, it describes a solution to fix the problem for everybody 🙂

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/an-option-to-create-non-eac-world-instances

An Option to Create Non-EAC World Instances

The Security Update sets all instances and user gameplay to use EAC. While this helps users who do not like using mods, this does not help users who do like using mods.
To solve this, there should an option to create non-EAC world instances.
This benefits players who do not use mods and who want to be protected from them because, by default, EAC will be required for them and for all instances.
This benefits players who are willing to accept the risks of mods because they have the option to turn off EAC and knowingly expose themselves to third-party code. By default, non-EAC instances would be hidden, this is similar to how Labs worlds are hidden. Portals to non-EAC instances should not be accessible to users who have not chosen to disable EAC. Players who have chosen to disable EAC but who are in an EAC instance cannot use mods because EAC is enforced. This ensures that players who are in an instance with EAC by default are not exposed to mods.
This solution needs to be implemented to promote the security of VRChat as described in the Security Update, and to support the dedicated community members who have been supporting VRChat for years and dedicating their time and effort to the improvement and freedom of the platform.

vocal shard
fiery token
umbral reef
rancid river
wispy osprey
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So, if VRChat doesn't add something that the community wants the community resorts to ableism racism fascism communism?

vocal shard
vocal shard
noble oracle
umbral reef
tacit hearth
open crescent
mellow schooner
hushed cradle
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look, most people that are mad are the dumb crashers, but some of us just wanna get crunk in the pub without getting crashed 🥺

vocal shard
viral marsh
gilded token
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Ngl I think EAC was mainly added for the bigger streamers

fiery token
tacit hearth
noble oracle
sand beacon
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EAC doesn't stand for End All Crashers, sadly

hushed cradle
vocal shard
noble oracle
wispy osprey
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I'm literally 13 and I don't care what VRChat dev mfs do as long as I have a game to play

errant hound
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Y'all wanna know what the crazy thing is? This outrage never would have happened if they had just reinforced their TOS and never allowed mods to get a foothold in the first place. They allowed the community to exist for sooo long, modders did all the work of building up the game for them, and now that they're no longer useful to them, they suddenly want to stamp it all out.

But even that is all beside the point because mods should have never been against TOS to begin with! These new features are just band-aids on a gapping wound that they themselves cause. So yeah, fuck VRChat.

vocal shard
umbral reef
# mellow schooner Why do you think it is shit?

I spend enough hours just like many others explaining in detail why that would not works.
Il keep it really short so just take my word for it like you do from people on your side or leave it at it.

Not having it run constantly with the game will always make it not work right. It does not need to be perfect, no system can ever be. It just needs to prevent the majority. It would take insane man hours anyway to build and maintain two games and would not solve most of the VRC support side problems of users losing there accounts, avatar theft and bad reports.
Most 'needed' mods or w/e are being added as they stated clearly now and in rapid pace like they have done in the past.

vocal shard
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tupper is a knight in shining armor, getting rid of the mod users from existence

go join the 100 or so people that went on for an hour in chilloutvr

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segio desttttttttt

wispy osprey
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If the game is unplayable I understand

fiery token
noble oracle
sand beacon
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I'm just sitting here and waiting, chilling, anticipating the time where things settle down. I don't really wanna overload the servers of other games. Good time to take a break anyway. Middle of summer and I can find other stuff to do.

vocal shard
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most the crashers ive seen latly have all been using client mods to crash people. i dont know if they even got models that can do it anymore tbh.

vocal shard
errant hound
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The devs will never be able to add every single QoL feature that people want, that's what mods are for! They should be embracing mods, not banning them outright.

carmine shore
wispy osprey
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hey um I just got VRChat how do I play

umbral reef
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Disable animations for all ranks and your odds of being crashed get lowered by a lot 🙏
For sure if you enable that particle limiter and even more if you disable shaders by default if you dont mind the npc looks

tacit hearth
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Bruh I cant get in even after reinstalling ima just go play sykrim vr somehow that is more stable now lmao

noble oracle
fiery token
leaden edge
mellow schooner
vocal shard
hushed cradle
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yooo new feature idea, people who get far enough away get turned into ps2 Hagrid, who agrees?

vocal shard
vocal shard
# carmine shore killed their grandma 🥺 (movie reference)

my grandmother died when tupper tripped during his battle with the mega elite haxxors of 4chan, he couldn't prevent it, but at least he turned my cat back into a dog

my roof is still missing IRL because of the hackers, but i will return my dad to his non slug self ... eventually

tacit hearth
lunar ice
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Anyone got a Xbox?

umbral reef
noble oracle
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So true I can't wait for that to actually be a thing tho ngl

wispy osprey
leaden edge
brazen sundial
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is anyone screen just black with white dots on it when trying to get vrchat to load

fiery token
rotund finch
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Hey devs your amazing and you all deserve a cookie ❤️

gilded token
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I saw a video with a guy saying that adding EAC to vrchat was the greatest screwup in gaming history. Man clearly never saw games like battlefield 2042

vocal shard
hushed cradle
carmine shore
vocal shard
rancid river
# fiery token I mean most people who do crash are just dumb, and show avatars that will crash ...

tbh as a primary quest user every time I've crashed randomly it's because I've gone through and shown every avatar in the instance like a dumbass. I didn't use the safety features. I haven't been crashed when I've had safety settings on, or only showing friends.

That being said I have had one or two people go "hey this kid's being terrible to everyone in the lobby I'm gonna crash him, hide my avi" but the avatars aren't getting yoinked by eac so 🤷

umbral reef
lunar ice
vocal shard
noble oracle
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No I just think it'd be cool is all cuz we already have sight, hearing, and touch in vr so why not smell or taste?

leaden edge
vocal shard
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L game

rancid river
umbral reef
vocal shard
gilded token
fiery sky
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Hi there! Any reason why steam reviews are getting marked as “Activated by key” and dragged to the top of the review list despite the game being free and not requiring a steam key to add to your library? As well, they’re ALL positive reviews. Seems a little suspicious 🤨

hushed cradle
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also, when will 206 point tracking be added? i wanna hook up my xray machine and have every bone tracked smhhh

noble oracle
karmic chasm
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Turns out there is a one click vrc to chilloutvr avitar converter now, migration has never been easyer

vocal shard
umbral reef
fiery token
rancid river
fiery sky
pallid saddle
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are ppl actually playing with the update

noble oracle
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So what you're saying is if you saw something lets say a flower in vr and you wanted to smell and it actually had a smell that wouldn't be nice?

gilded token
slow owl
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Tupper is a STENCH

graceful halo
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so is this horizon mover thing play space??

rancid river
pallid saddle
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hm

fiery token
gilded token
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Imo, if the devs find a way to raise fps and add most important mod features, the game legit won't be any different

noble oracle
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Bruh wdym? lolathon and jameskii are really good content creators

umbral reef
vocal shard
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man it would be a shame if none could stream or record fornite too huh.

safe inlet
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VRchat personalities are cringey, not what I'd call good content creators.

noble oracle
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???

mellow schooner
vocal shard
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i like how a good 70% of the people complaining are ether crashers or people who have payed for an anti crasher.

umbral reef
nocturne lodge
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I just kinda wish we would’ve gotten some news on easier avatar searching

vocal shard
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i am so glad that VRchat support has continued to grow after the update, there is more people on than BEFORE the update

fiery token
gilded token
umbral reef
nocturne lodge
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I understand that. Still. Hopefully these features are like a week out or something

magic gate
earnest chasm
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Lol screenshots of Tupper e and r and ping in a pub are being posted all over his twitter

coarse raft
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John Fitzgerald Kennedy, often referred to by his initials as JFK or by the nickname Jack, was an American politician who served as the 35th president of the United States from 1961 until his assassination near the end of his third year in office. Kennedy was the youngest person to assume the presidency by election.

mellow schooner
noble oracle
umbral reef
earnest chasm
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idk who tagged me but yes

fiery sky
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Likely those reviews WERE positive then the user changed their review. Keep an eye out. Might get that tag removed.

rancid river
# pallid saddle hm

A significant portion of the modding community are boycotting right now. someone else mentioned a lot of the accounts are new quest users, and wondered if the numbers were being beefed to combat it. I don't know if that's true, but I'm not getting on to check lol Maybe that's bad reporting but I don't really have any reason to go back for now-- most of my friends utilized mods to improve accessibility. Even with the proposed updates from the devs, this isn't enough to customize the experience the way some people need.

humble cairn
#

i never seen them do some thing like this like so quick so maybe they already had plans for it for this year but they should of added it before the anti cheat for sure

noble oracle
fallow veldt
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boooo.

coarse raft
#

Donald John Trump is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021. Trump graduated from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania with a bachelor's degree in 1968.

umbral reef
magic gate
regal veldt
#

Dude, as it stands looking at steam charts it took them 24h to destroy 2 years of growth on the platform with 1 bad decision. wtf is wrong with this company?

fiery token
errant lagoon
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how much you guys want to bet that all the stuff that thay say thair guna add the the mod menus hade thair guna lock behinde vrc+

umbral goblet
#

wait thats odd but same for me

rancid river
coarse raft
#

Abraham Lincoln was an American lawyer and statesman who served as the 16th president of the United States from 1861 until his assassination in 1865.

magic gate
umbral reef
noble oracle
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And they will still be able to crash you lol cuz EAC doesn't block all the actual mods that do crash people sooo yeah

gilded token
noble oracle
#

Literally like 💀

coarse raft
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George Washington was an American military officer, statesman, and Founding Father who served as the first president of the United States from 1789 to 1797.

restive estuary
#

If the anti-cheat worked this drama would be alot more fun

frail torrent
#

Lets goooo VRC for the win you guys need to cope

rancid river
leaden edge
umbral reef
#

tbf, they mainly clamped down on editing name tags with shaders because of people going full invisible and crashing/trolling people with it.
It also worked damn shitty so them making it official is kinda nice even if its locked behind the system

regal veldt
#

its 100% to clean out the "trash" aka PC players who use mods so they can add those features to VRC+ or an in game store. It also gets rid of R18+ mod users to look better for hedge fund investors as a more family friendly application on Oculus. It is all a sham to sellout its creator community.

humble cairn
#

i mean at least they arent banning people like last time. they added something like this like 2 years ago and also ban the users so idk

noble oracle
gilded token
vocal shard
arctic wind
#

Chillout vr looks pretty cool ngl

obtuse vine
grim bridge
#

who else can’t open up there vrchat bc of the anti cheat

errant lagoon
#

i just still finde it funny how mod menus have made the game better and bug fixing thair game befor the devs in a faster time and still thair taking thair sweet time and now going to extreams for money

magic gate
restive estuary
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You guys convinced me soley because it inteferes with 18+ content

noble oracle
coarse raft
#

George Walker Bush is an American politician who served as the 43rd president of the United States from 2001 to 2009. A member of the Republican Party, Bush family, and son of former president George H. W. Bush, he previously served as the 46th governor of Texas from 1995 to 2000.

rancid river
vocal shard
gilded token
umbral reef
#

When will CVR Ui update drop, been waiting for 2 years by now

regal veldt
#

you need to add they are 18+ friendly with an 18+ free DLC

errant lagoon
#

try out chillout or neos thay both are rilly good

vocal shard
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i mean my friend tizzy works for neos but its legit a diffrent game then vrchat

regal veldt
#

I think Chillout has the best potential, has a much cleaner UI and transitioning it is much easier for current unity creators.

humble cairn
#

i still think the investment they just got pushed this anti cheat update like people ask for something like this for years but they said no and now that the just got 80m a few months ago it might of been part of the deal or idk but it all seems a bit off to me but i look in to things too much too so take what i say with a hand full of salt

umbral reef
coarse raft
#

Barack Hussein Obama II is an American politician who served as the 44th president of the United States from 2009 to 2017. A member of the Democratic Party, he was the first African-American president of the United States.

wispy barn
#

start game
just works, no issues whatsoever
play with friends
everything is normal

errant lagoon
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all i need is a flashlite to make the whole world cuse my eyesite and avi serch

tight oar
#

chillout seems great, but it's currently unable to be logged in to because of the user influx

boreal radish
naive goblet
#

i do hope all of the QoL stuff they announced today does actually get done in the 1-2 weeks they predicted

vocal shard
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and cvr from knowing a dev from the game is not safe and sells your personal info more then the government takes your money with taxs.

noble oracle
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Why don't they just hire mod creators? So they could implement those quality of life stuff directly into vrchat itself sense they don't do it themselves?

errant lagoon
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if you used melonlaoder you need to remove it so vrc can lonch

viscid lagoon
#

🍋

naive goblet
errant hound
#

VRChat has made the grave sin of limiting customization (mods). You must never take away customization.

gloomy sequoia
#

With relatively low player base and lower server numbers neither really has the capacity to take so many refuges from VRChat. Neos VR is made more for people who know software engineering and it's UI and avatar creation is not as easily used as VRChat. Putting in avatars isn't as download and pop in and will have you taking longer to put things together. I have no experience with Chillout other than joining to nobody online whatsoever on a few occasions. In all honesty, they are /much/ smaller platforms and cannot support as many people as want to leave VRChat, in all honesty I would consider just taking a break from VR social games for a short while while everything gets sorted out.

vocal shard
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you cant mod on overwatch why would you care about vrchat?

noble oracle
granite snow
restive estuary
#

I think you guys are crashing chillout vr’s website

round igloo
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overwatch is a competitive game while vrchat is a social platform tho, they're not exactly comparible

coarse raft
errant hound
gloomy sequoia
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It's easier if you want to do it from scratch. You can't have a mass creator make you an avatar unless they want to make it public or join you and set it up. Well, for all the effects, dynamics, etc.

umbral reef
vocal shard
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so you as a person are aloud to decide what games your aloud to cheat on or not?

magic gate
round igloo
granite snow
noble oracle
errant hound
errant lagoon
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with all the ppl trying to join chillout itself is grinding to a halt thay wernt prpaird for somthing like this but i am exsited about it

vocal shard
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its the same way they can enable anti cheat. if you dont like it then dont cheat or use another game lol

umbral reef
granite snow
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im honestly just sort of excited to see what comes of this whole situation. this mass exodus from vrchat might actually like drive some innovation in the other adjacent platforms! or i can hope at least lol

noble oracle
vocal shard
#

you evaded my question why do i have to respond to yours?

regal veldt
safe inlet
errant hound
magic gate
noble oracle
umbral reef
coarse raft
#

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is an American politician who is the 46th and current president of the United States. A member of the Democratic Party, he previously served as the 47th vice president from 2009 to 2017 under Barack Obama and represented Delaware in the United States Senate from 1973 to 2009.

round igloo
#

aaa I honestly feel bad for the main dev of chillout, though? I imagine they're having to go through a lot of trouble trying to get things up and running rn, and if I was a game dev it'd feel a bit bittersweet if the reason I was suddenly getting a lot of traffic was because people were protesting another game's dev team, and not because they genuinely were just interested in mine? :')

vocal shard
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and from day one staff said dont use mods. its not that hard to do. just dont use mods.

leaden edge
noble oracle
white latch
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I swear to god people who keep using "hurr durr avatar ripping still exists" as a point against VRChat are so ignorant.

You can literally never stop model ripping in ANY game without doing some insane drastic bullshit.
In the case of VRChat it would be absolutely stupid of the dev team to put and work into preventing ripping, because no matter what people will find ways to rip shit.
We're supposed to have them dedicate time fighting a battle you literally cannot win instead of focusing on other more important things?

The only way you will EVER stop avatar ripping is if they made the entire game cloud-based, then stream it to people's devices like Stadia, and definitely nobody would fuckin' want that.

floral condor
#

Steam Review Page By the Numbers:

First half of 2022: 2826 Negative Reviews
Negative Review Counts by Day since EAC announcement:
7/25: 2811
7/26: 6709
7/27: 8899```
umbral reef
magic gate
craggy path
safe inlet
granite snow
vocal shard
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whos mute whos your friend? id like to know because im friends with a good majority of the people from helping hands.

lethal bough
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The bait. Makes me just want to take a big wiff of pure exhaust fumes.

naive goblet
gloomy sequoia
# regal veldt all that comes with time, they know how many people are trying to sign up and wh...

Neos is nice, just steep learning curve and you have to put in a lot of stuff on your own. However, they do allow you to make coding of your own for your avatars. It's part of how they learn and expand their game. However, they don't have the best servers and there aren't really loading screens. I'm more likely to head there though because I already have a few friends there. Well, I'm mostly just taking a break until VRChat chills out.

round igloo
tribal marsh
umbral reef
vocal shard
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so deaf people can verbally respond now? wow im surprised.

jovial forge
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Justice for the hard of hearing and mute people!!

wispy barn
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i love vrchat even more now that there are no crashers and the low iq anti-EACoids have left

granite snow
craggy path
vocal shard
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if someone's speaking with there voice there's a vary good chance there not deaf.

granite snow
noble oracle
round igloo
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w..what? there are plenty of deaf people that can speak lmao

vocal shard
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Not just by now vrcAevSip

vast halo
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@covert chasm great response to all of this, i know you're overwhelmed with distraut and community response and although i also disagree with the update, from a professional standpoint your response is amazing and keep up with the good work. you need to hear this for an extra boost of motiviation
and listenting to the community and implementing these accessibility features immediately is a really good thing

granite snow
#

lmaoo

vocal shard
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so all the crashers bring up the deaf community to defend there mods? thats kinda fucked up ngl.

lament zinc
noble oracle
vast halo
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guys i'm legally diagnosed with broke, can't afford VRC+ so i need unlimited favorites rn for free!!!!

granite snow
vocal shard
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yall almost as bad as hazard vr

noble oracle
safe inlet
umbral reef
west lotus
granite snow
open crescent
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@umbral reef was it you who said the cvr guy killed it's community twice? What did he do ?

regal veldt
round igloo
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On a similar note, unsure of whether Nisakaru has ever heard of Helen Keller? she was an extremely famous and awesome author who could speak despite being deaf and blind

vocal shard
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plus im pretty sure they already announced there adding closed captioning to the game files. so what mods are you guys really defending here?

unborn gate
#

Hi

mellow schooner
sand beacon
granite snow
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omg did he call me slurs?

noble oracle
umbral reef
restive estuary
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Adding a toggle for a security function is just admitting that it doesn’t work, it will never be a thing

vocal shard
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its in announcements as a spoiler but check gamelogs.

west lotus
open crescent
noble oracle
sand beacon
vocal shard
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so what mods are you guys defending? im wondering now. please indulge me?

west lotus
umbral reef
# open crescent I c

Really comes down to what you would expect of someone whos community is only there because of the hate for another game and how they did things

noble oracle
vocal shard
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its already being implemented though i stated that. what mods are you defending?

sand beacon
meager trench
light dust
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im actually a LITTLE more happy just a litttle now that they actually said some thing is happening sooner then later. i understand that this has pushed other things out of the way, that probly had alot of hard work put into them but you cant just leave your community cold turkey with nothing then just one small update yay ik2.0 no the amount of abilities we had were to great to just leave us with a small gain. @covert chasm i hope your safe and no ones knocking at your door or sending you pizza's. @urban talonthanks for putting up with us. @sharp rose thank you sooooo much for your efforts in replying to so many comments and keeping your cool it was awesome. @dark harness hi system ❤️ hope your doing ok <3. the mods for vrc were like drugs if you take them away and leave us with nothing with out meds it could end up hurting us more then taking the drugs did. you guys have made me a little less depressed with being so quick to react this this mob community you had to deal with i hope things will get back on track for you guys once you give us some meds to deal with our lose of mods. one of the biggest features that is above all other mods that glues all them to gether is the avatar search. avatar search is what makes all this feel good alot of us have adhd,add etcetera. i get that maybe this makes people visit less worlds maybe instead of letting us clone the avatar with in the menu first we would have to of got an achevement by loading into a world containing the avatar or if the avatar is not in a world then instead we would have to meet that user ingame befor we are able to use it or clone it from the menu?

restive estuary
#

Can you guys Recommend rec room so I can at least sign in

noble oracle
granite snow
dreamy badge
#

i need help

noble oracle
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So they're just stating false claims? Lolw

round igloo
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they will tell us what they need help with after 60 seconds

granite snow
dreamy badge
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im trying to load up in steam vr it lagged more than ever now loads up initializing world freezes and force closes vrchat

idle sandal
#

I don't understand why they can't make these update first before adding EAC, wtf are they smoking?!?!

west lotus
# vocal shard its already being implemented though i stated that. what mods are you defending?

I'd also like to point out, basically everything that was stated in that announcement was a feature that was already implemented in one mod or another. And there's also absolutely nothing regarding safety of the players from other people's malicious avatars - people can upload whatever the heck they'd like without any mods and still completely screw over someone's machine. Mods have already implemented safety checks.

vocal shard
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all these crashers so mad they got there mods taken away look at all the people @ ing me.

round igloo
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oh crap! I almost forgot to do my Dutch lessons, Duo is gonna kill me

restive estuary
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I’m gonna turn off shaders and particle when I log in

granite snow
dreamy badge
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like25 to 50 depending on what avi or world im in

west lotus
humble cairn
vocal shard
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all them crashers still @ ing me its funny af

noble oracle
verbal gale
granite snow
west lotus
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I think this is likely the point at which one should stop feeding the trolls. Namely Nisakaru.

granite snow
noble oracle
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He likes to do that I'm pretty sure they are just trolling though

dreamy badge
#

Can i dm you ?

vocal shard
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its pretty sad the crasher community is freaking out and using the deaf community as a "we want our mods back" to ask for it.

west lotus
safe inlet
noble oracle
granite snow
rotund drift
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will anyone date me in vrchat im lonley 😢

vocal shard
leaden edge
noble oracle
worn raft
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amazing, no comment in the blogpost about eac perfomance issues. did i expect anything less? no.

granite snow
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this is holy media, thank you so much

west lotus
rotund drift
warped mountain
restive estuary
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Grim Reminder that there are a nonzero number of cowards and lowlifes saying bad stuff to the vrc team vrcTupStare

vocal shard
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@covert chasm you want to deal with that?

worn raft
safe inlet
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Ironic considering what happens in VRchat.

proud root
#

Be sure to upvote all the negative reviews on Steam for VRChat

solemn cave
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This seems like grade-A hypocrisy

round igloo
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tbf for certain players, I think it might not be so much EAC impacting performance drastically on its own, as it is that those players were also using optimization mods previously? so there are a number of factors at play there

restive estuary
#

But I do enjoy a bit of smart trolling

safe inlet
#

Oh no, you might have to turn down graphics on your computer from 2006. Whatever will the world do? Or maybe avatar makers will have to actually think about optimization?!

leaden edge
worn raft
vocal shard
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someome go make tupper a real good mod for great use he love it like premban tool vrchat for hackers and cheater

nimble knot
#

Part of me is wonders what is actually in their road map... the problems with ripping that have been around for years nah, mods ban.
I can understand why but there were better ways, and honestly more important things.

solemn cave
safe inlet
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Bro you're playing a VR game, which is KNOWN TO BE DEMANDING, on shitty computers. It's your fault. In what world is it disrespectful?

noble oracle
quasi marsh
warped mountain
worn raft
solemn cave
vocal shard
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ooof

dreamy badge
safe inlet
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Cool, so figure out how to program VR to not have to render twice as much, or convince avatar makers to not use 40 materials and shaders to do the hair. Do something productive instead of whining.

sharp pollen
warped mountain
restive estuary
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They can’t stop you making the game run better by improving hardware vrcTupSmug

final flame
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@knotty yew Switching channels because of the delay but yeah that'll be awesome! No longer need to use a station to fake it!

solemn cave
noble oracle
worn raft
restive estuary
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You aren’t allowed to dislike this update, violators will be persecuted

solemn cave
noble oracle
round igloo
knotty yew
craggy jay
safe inlet
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The problem is your shitty computer not being able to handle VR. So, make VR less demanding by figuring out a new way to render things (not what your mods did), or convince avatar makers to actually give a damn about optimization (also not what mods did). Other option is to just upgrade your computer.

worn raft
noble oracle
sharp pollen
leaden edge
restive estuary
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Even Basic user created avatars tax the rendering process from the looks of it

safe inlet
worn raft
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how the fuck does eac have dickriders

final flame
solemn cave
sharp pollen
warped mountain
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There’s also finding your own limits. For example, I can handle most worlds except ones with full instances. I just stick to worlds I know my computer can handle and I’ve done this for a while now.

vocal shard
#

Anyone else have problems with movie and chill movies not loading?

worn raft
round igloo
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I would like to see that I don't disagree that a lot of avatars are horrendously optimized btw lmao, especially some of the anime ones? Like, most of the furry avatars I've fiddled with it unity were very well optimized, whereas the anime avatars I helped set up for some of my friends had like 60 different materials, what's up with that? LOL..

vocal shard
#

you guys should check gamefiles patchnotes announcments vrcfourms and logs for things before you complain, also if you dont see a feature that hasn't been talked about in vrchat yet i recommend suggestioning it. you complaining about a change is not going to fix it on here.

leaden edge
noble oracle
solemn cave
vocal shard
restive estuary
#

I think muda just said it didn’t work and didn’t provide proof, you can easily prove it though

knotty yew
leaden edge
round igloo
# vocal shard you guys should check gamefiles patchnotes announcments vrcfourms and logs for t...

Tbf I don't think there's anything really wrong with people mentioning features they'd like to see here, so long as it's done in a constructive manner (ofc everyone hasn't been doing that, but I certainly think things are a bit calmer than yesterday), especially since in the blog post it was implied that they have been keeping track of the chats and seeing what people would like to see added.

vocal shard
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they dont read suggestions on discord they use vrcfourms for that.

vocal shard
round igloo
#

"We've also been watching and documenting constructive feedback via our typical channels like our Feedback boards, social media, and this Discord." is in the most recent blogpost, bb

edit: the forums are probably a better route though with how fast chat has been going here though even with the minute delay, yes

warped mountain
#

Also people are saying the dev team is not listening. Honestly I don’t think there is a way for the dev team to not listen to everything that’s going on. People should just give this time instead of lighting fuses.

noble oracle
leaden edge
final flame
# knotty yew Yeah i can agree with that, to be honest if physbones werent a thing i would hav...

Yeah imo if they had just focused on those small features before pushing for EAC the uproar wouldn't have been nearly as bad, ofc even then EAC doesn't solve everything* but if the features from QoL or accessibility mods were implemented first people would have way less reasons to complain. On another note I still don't quite understand why they don't fix what is the actual root cause of avatar ripping because by now they have to be aware of it so this one just puzzles me. Anyhow, can't wait to have the full list of features that they'll implement even just to quell the outrage

restive estuary
#

The dev team will start listening to people after they come back from their mental health breaks

thick lantern
#

Y'all see they updated the TOS and community guidelines

thin crow
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I just want better performance tbh.

worn raft
#

this update feels like pulling the trigger before loading the gun

round igloo
# leaden edge I cant comment with precision on this but my understanding is that they dont typ...

aah okay, so it's possible they've just been paying more attention to it since the discord was going a bit crazy the past few days, maybe? vs it normally just being for discussion

and yeah ngl... can't blame them there* I'd go on a bit of a break from social media too if people were threatening violence towards me and threatening to ddos me

edit: accidentally sent it before I was done typing lmao

restive estuary
#

That’s a new one

warped mountain
bright void
#

I simply do not understand <@&397642795457970181> I rid of all my QoL mods re installed and got a 5 day ban

restive estuary
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No grace period?

vast tulip
#

it just closes the app

vocal shard
#

yeah

leaden edge
# final flame Yeah imo if they had just focused on those small features before pushing for EAC...

From my understanding vrc had planned EAC since December but put it off to bring phsy bones etc. Which were the biggest reasons for modded clients. They felt they tackled the biggest reasons so launched eac. Was it a great launch? No as we can see from everywhere but they launched it regardless and now are tackling the issues they didnt see before and pushing the out as soon as they can.

bright void
thick lantern
# warped mountain What exactly did they change recently?

Just made it stricter on nudity of any and all types, banned political/spiritual oriented avatars/symbology, and made a creator responsible for if anything linked in their world, including portals to other worlds, violate any portion of tos

worn raft
bright void
#

said it had something to do with Clients I will get a screenshot once I re-re-Download

naive goblet
modest wasp
#

Is there any way for me to get around EAC.. Because EAC kick me out for playing with vanilla client..
Is it me or the game just got laggy and world load so slow still cannot play without gettin kickout by EAC
I dont wanna turn off any PC setting everytime just for playing VRchat ..
Or i just need to move on from this game

final flame
warped mountain
# vast tulip eac doesn't even ban for detection

Actually now that you’ve mentioned it, this reduces all the time it takes to ban malicious mod users cause it straight up does not allow them to launch the app. While some malicious users may find work arounds, this puts a lot off the plate.

restive estuary
fast trench
bright void
#

Use of disruptive avatars???? I don't understand I have a custom Avi of my Vtuber Model

worn raft
warped mountain
thick lantern
graceful pewter
leaden edge
round igloo
vocal shard
restive estuary
#

I need those jiggling assets

final flame
#

@graceful pewter @leaden edge Those are very valid points but from what I gathered the main issue stems from people being able to access other people's cache and extract avatar information out of it, I feel like this is something that should not be possible or at least should be fixable right?

halcyon void
jovial kestrel
warped mountain
fast trench
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idk if they were confirmed malicious if by malicious you mean crashing people

thick lantern
vocal shard
warped mountain
sand beacon
vocal shard
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LOL im joking i've been on a vr break b4 this

round igloo
#

huh, interesting, maybe it was just an update to how they worded it, rather than it intending to be a change and how they actually enforce those rules?

also oh gosh unrelated but on the note of odd vrc avatars, is it just me or are those anime avatars that have actual human skin texture on the hands and arms absolutely terrifying :')

halcyon void
fast trench
#

rated T according to the tos but its unrated by the ESRB

leaden edge
thick lantern
open crescent
#

67,000 users online, yep very dead game lol

warped mountain
final flame
vocal shard
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TBH i dont think these changes are bad honestly i think having the vr social community split between different games would benefit the consumer as a whole wiht more competition from alternative that were never given a chance like CVR it gives pressure on Vrchat to provide better communication and service in the future. In the end of the day people who have VR and enjoy these game will be around and can switch between games they choose freely. This debacle just potential gave an opportunity for other competition to rise up making more option and more drive from all the companies.

thick lantern
warped mountain
vocal shard
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In the end of the day Vr social game was monopolized by VRchat similar to how Facebook was the original dominant social platform as more competitor rise up it only will provide more option tailored to us the consumers

open crescent
round igloo
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oh gosh, that's a bit nervewracking.. it'd suck if your world was linked to another and then later down the line that world did something to violate ToS without you knowing about it

vocal shard
#

Tbh im still sad movie worlds don’t work for questies

#

so no need to quit vrchat but if this patch of vrchat aint your fancy give chillout a spin if chill out isnt your taste maybe come back to vrchat until chill out is worth it

edgy anchor
round igloo
sand beacon
thick lantern
vocal shard
vocal shard
wispy barn
#

gonna be super totally hilarious when all the crashers move over to chillout and neos and then they have the same issue

thick lantern
verbal gale
wispy barn
#

so you think its appropriate that people should have to install mods to be free from that kinda stuff? that seems pretty counterproductive

verbal gale
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well anticheat isn't going to magically solve the problem

wispy barn
#

better than no anticheat

restive estuary
#

Unless it does

vast tulip
verbal gale
wispy barn
vast tulip
#

the people who use neos and chillout up till now were a pretty close knit community without much outsiders pushing the need for security

verbal gale
vocal shard
# wispy barn so you think its appropriate that people should have to install mods to be free ...

Alot of client crashers uses exploits within the VRchat sdk and Unity Anti cheat wont really prevent this only acts as a basic filter. The best way to fix these crashes such as error 14 (photon) would be to fix it within the SDK. Ofcourse Vrchat devs wouldn't but this in priority since its a endless cat and mouse chase and there aren't really any competition to warrant imrpouveing this factor. That is why i said having competiton such as chillout will incentivize Vrchat to fix the core root of these crashing problems which has been neglected for years now

thick lantern
frank silo
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Seems like it would've been a much better idea to roll back the update and then implement it after adding the features people need. I'm kinda curious why the devs didn't do that.

sharp saddle
wispy barn
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not responding to the lowIQness anymore, if you still dont understand what the anticheat does, you never will

frank silo
verbal gale
distant wolf
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sup chill channel

urban mirage
vocal shard
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i mean @vast tulip most the people defending mods want features they used to vary not good things such as stealing models, flyhacking, teleportation, and crashing users. the only community effected has been the deaf community and im pretty sure its basically public knowledge that thats being implemented. i wouldn't trip about the people complaining because if its features they wanted they would go to vrcfourms to ask for it.

distant wolf
slow owl
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#tupper smells bad

urban mirage
south mesa
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fix desktop vr

sand gyro
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we dont care about the HUD you guys have been working on it forever

wispy barn
verbal gale
urban mirage
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I just want it all to be good

thick lantern
lament zinc
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Say, on desktop, I'm not seeing any of this harsh performance hits people are mentioning, with my CPU and GPU being at a comfy 50% despite being a on a laptop. I agree with most points, but my fps is fine.

sand gyro
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bruh read whats in the announcements they are just trying to remake all the mods like the portable mirrors mod. but the script was already written by the community.

frank silo
slow owl
lyric eagle
verbal gale
frank silo
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The investors pressured the devs to add eac?

thick lantern
graceful pewter
sand gyro
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to much money for little kids

lyric eagle
# frank silo The investors pressured the devs to add eac?

why wouldn't they? EAC is a very recognizable piece of software, even to a non-tech-savvy individual. The new update post says plans have changed in order to push these updates out as fast as possible following the EAC update. It would make sense that new investors from their recent series d funding might be itching to have some extra security put in place, which otherwise wouldnt have been ready by the time future improvements were released

frank silo
graceful pewter
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they will eventually have to pay back that 80 million dollars so they will have to think about monetization

sand gyro
lyric eagle
urban mirage
sand gyro
thick lantern
lyric eagle
sand gyro
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im pretty sure it makes enough money to buy it when most of the community has it

urban mirage
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I expect soon that they will begin sanitizing communities they deem offensive and policing behavior more closely

lyric eagle
frank silo
atomic stream
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🤝

thick lantern
vocal shard
sand gyro
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im glad i just got back into COD

urban mirage
lyric eagle
hot pollen
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When the Trust ranks system was added as a way to improve player safety. vrcTupSmug

graceful pewter
lyric eagle
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im so glad that dumb sprout thing is visible now. really shows how many people are actually present in the community versus the people who just joined to complain

vocal shard
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fudge

frank silo
smoky bay
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Do I need to download steam to play VRchat on my laptop? I’m new to this

thick lantern
urban mirage
graceful pewter
lyric eagle
# frank silo True. I just kinda wish it wasn't eac of all things for multiple reasons. Any ot...

when asked about it, Sach said it was "the only option." What i think he meant by that was that it was the only option they might have had that was familiar to investors (since big games like fortnite and apex use it, as theyve stated in their hello post) and could show they were taking steps to better secure their game, since all the security issues theyve been visibly having.

@jovial sundial im not saying its everyone with the sprout, im just making an observation

urban mirage
# graceful pewter they literally only listed features they could Implement within the week any fe...

Right but the fact that they weren’t even working on them until people raised hell (even though they must have been well aware of the accessibility issues beforehand) tells me that this update was done not with users in mind but more likely investors and future users. Crashers etc have been an issue forever, why is eac so important that it must be implemented NOW, ahead of feature additions? Eac is obviously more important to them than all of the rest. Why?

lyric eagle
sand gyro
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❌ We dont care about the new update✖️ the dev team is trying to remake most of the popular mods like portable mirrors, custom mic sens, and the movable main menu. quite frankly we dont care what ur remake mods can do. most of the scrips was already made by the community but they add EAC to make there own versions

thick lantern
graceful pewter
urban mirage
lyric eagle
vocal shard
graceful pewter
thick lantern
frank silo
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(in response to the angry guy who had his message deleted) You do realize Tupper was cleared right? The devs of that particular mod explained that someone spoffed his ID

vocal shard
thick lantern
lyric eagle
vocal shard
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ahaha im not like the angry crowd saying stop playing VRChat cause thats the last thing i want! I want vr social game to be main stream and to show that VR technology can be applicable to the larger mass. But i want to promote competion within this space so that VR social game improuve as a whole

thick lantern
thick lantern
edgy anchor
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tupper didn't make the decision to implement EAC. he's only community manager.

vocal shard
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yeah and for general note @covert chasm and the rest of the mod team do care about VRchat and the development i do believe investors and higher are involved but pining blame soley on them is wrong since from what ive heard about them they truley care about the game ( ive also rarely seen devs be so active in playing and talking to their player base in their game)

open crescent
frank silo
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I have no idea what that is

open crescent
frank silo
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I'm on mobile data rn Im trying not to do much. Also from your explanation it sounds about the same as eac

deft iron
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Are we seriously not going to talk about how @cunning dagger is lowkey leading a rebellion against the mighty EAC

thick lantern
open crescent
cunning dagger
deft iron
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Lol don't worry Sipp, I'm just pulling your string ❤️

open crescent
lyric eagle
graceful pewter
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the chat mods would have even no say over how vrc is run

upbeat dew
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Woah, general 2 has been reclaimed

daring thorn
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It's quiet. Too quiet

open crescent
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But also, don't spread misinformation that's just a real dick move

upbeat dew
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Honestly, I think a lot of people doing that are knee deep in the Dunning-Kruger effect and don't realize they're doing it.

deft iron
daring thorn
open crescent
upbeat dew
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Also it's FUN to come up with FUD.

deft iron
daring thorn
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Wowow

lyric eagle
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everything will be calm by the end of the week

upbeat dew
supple marlin
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Is vrchat local mirror wip gonna have an option to toggle off local only so we can see ourselves and friends?

lyric eagle
sand gyro
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shut up disko

deft iron
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What's the better alternative, NeosVR or Chill w/e

upbeat dew
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Everything VRChat has put out lately, minus you know what, has been so damn polished, really hope that's the case for all the new stuff. (eventually)

supple marlin
lyric eagle
daring thorn
deft iron
rapid pecan
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When do when time

daring zenith
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Agh I’m so excited for neos

supple marlin
thick lantern
deft iron
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Any versions with mature adult oriented contents is fine by me

upbeat dew
open crescent
daring zenith
leaden edge
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Crypto isnt coming to vrc

thick lantern
open crescent
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If you are talking about the job post for compliance, read it again

@daring zenith just open the neos website, they have a section for their cryptoshit

graceful pewter
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vrchat doesn't have any plans for crypto

daring zenith
upbeat dew
lyric eagle
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we've gone over why this isnt true stop bringing it up mfg

daring zenith
graceful pewter
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it's kind of hard not to run a virtual currency without sounding a little similar

deft iron
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Almost like that was the original intention of crypto currency in the first place. Virtual money

vocal shard
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Is vrchat crashing for anyone on quest when they try to load in on the game

lyric eagle
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right but that's not what they're looking for. They've already explained that they wan't their own digital currency.

daring zenith
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I’m sure if people bring up that they don’t want it/ don’t interact with it, they will like actually do somthing instead of sweeping it under a rug, instead kinda like how does vrchat does

thick lantern
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Any virtualized currency or rudimentary economy requires that skill set. It doesn't necessarily mean they're taking the real monetary crypto route

Just an in game currency is the more likely route

upbeat dew
# open crescent If you are talking about the job post for compliance, read it again <@799206108...

That stuff about crypto is all the CEO going rouge, the CTO, Frooxius, and the rest of the dev team are actively trying to removing him from the project.

Also, virtual currency from companies can be even more predatory than alt-coins, look at robux and their developer payout system or any kind of company scrip system for how bad that can be. I honestly rather crypto over a scrip, and USD over both by far.

unreal verge
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This chat way more calm lol

vocal shard
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Yeah i think its more like roblox currency where you can buy avatar or premium access to worlds etc. (this is all speculation since there is no official post so take it with grain of salt)

graceful pewter
jagged sinew
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Really excited for all the new features coming out

lone parrot
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So I guess VR chat is just stealing from mod makers now? Good to know where your priorities lie I guess

thick lantern
deft iron
graceful pewter
lone parrot
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Yeah I'm done with VR chat.

upbeat dew
lyric eagle
polar latch
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Disko

thick lantern
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I can already see it now

A 13 year old that has their parents cc info on their quest buying hundreds of dollars worth of chatbucks

The more things change the more they stay the same

deft iron
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Servers are expensive. The 13 year old must be sacrificed for the good of mankind

open crescent
polar latch
vocal shard
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i believe its still only allows mobile shaders i dont htink anything changed in that regard

lyric eagle
graceful pewter
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vrchat is never going to change the shaders available on the quest 1 and Quest 2 because literally the hardware can't change on them so what they can run can't change

polar latch
upbeat dew
open crescent
lyric eagle
upbeat dew
deft iron
vague marlin
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I play on quest, will me and my bf be able to still play vr chat in private servers?

graceful pewter
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what do you mean by private server as vrchat hosts all the servers?

lyric eagle
upbeat dew
honest cove
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I think they mean invite only instances in which case yes that is fine dw

vague marlin
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Ty ty

jade onyx
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hiiii'

snow ridge
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Unlike vrc, neos listening to the comunity and is removing thr crypto bs

cyan shell
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Hello chat

open crescent
jagged sinew
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neos always kinda felt a bit like a fun tech demo for ideas, bit too many options for the average consumer

honest cove
graceful pewter
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the amount of shaders available on Quest has not changed and is unlikely to ever change

snow ridge
honest cove
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Still doesn't change the file sizes xd so I'll prob go to cvr when it stabilises and still use vrc here n there fir quest friends I don't hate the game just makes it less fun for me without being able to mess around

snow ridge
graceful pewter
honest cove
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We had touched on the topic of other alternatives that's how it came up , idk if they was tryingnto direct that for me as I mentioned bout file sizes

magic gate
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if you're on pc, you'll see the PC version of the avatar, with shaders and sound - they won't.

upbeat dew
vocal shard
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So the minor fix they put out I can’t login with my quest to vrchat right now lol

blazing patio
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They should add in the update that pc only is able to fly and no clip or just avatar search

livid remnant
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"we've been listening!" doesn't do anything that shows they're listening

lyric eagle
open crescent
livid remnant
magic gate
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just because you don't like what they say makes it a lie

lyric eagle
magic gate
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I love reading the reddit and twitter posts too
just making up random shit and people copy-paste that crap around like it's the truth

lyric eagle
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VRC peaked at 66k on a wednesday night, i expect numbers to be close if not slightly less than usual by the weekend. maybe 75-85k

livid remnant
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I'm happy they've listened to some things, but theyre completely ignoring the facts of eac- it doesn't do what they want it to do, and it only does harm.

silent heart
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I’m not sure how much the player counts will drop. I guess maybe around 30-50k

lyric eagle
magic gate
viscid arrow
gaunt blaze
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neosvr has a dlc?

lyric eagle
honest cove
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With the rate of how much cvr is down. And the lack of players able to actually play neos vrc is go na ba. Default for most so I'd say player counts yes will b lower but not by a huge margin least till the other games get some more server stuff runnin

raven prawn
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the player count last night only dropped 10K on steam. Really i don't see that being the case much longer, people are very likely going to come back regardless. EAC is a common thing in bigger titles like fortnite. I'm sure like with how the VRC+ update did, people will calm down like they have with gas prices every time it hikes, and come back because VRC has social currency in the same vein that WOW did for so damn long

magic gate
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I love the whole going to neos/cvr - reminds me of the people who said they're moving to canada during 2016 elections

livid remnant
# magic gate I mean does it? - half the stuff I've read are complete fabrications the only th...

performance drops are bad in an already hard to optimize game, not to mention how eac basically acts like malware (literally steals files off your PC and uploads them to epic servers, goes through your entire file system every time you start up the PC)

and it means people have to wait for all of these accessibility features they've had for months and months.

EAC doesn't do much good at all, and the harm it does outweighs that tiny amount of good

viscid arrow
lyric eagle
open crescent
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That video was fake

lyric eagle
viscid arrow
silent heart
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The performance is lower, load times are longer and there’s a lag spike anytime someone switches avatars

open crescent
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Then idk what you are talking about, there was a video circulating about that that was fake.
But you can achieve speed with avatars without using mods. It's a collider trick

livid remnant
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exactly, eac fixes nothing.

this whole thing is part of a wider argument about anti-cheat in the games industry as a whole. this discussion happened around vanguard when valorant released, and it happened when EAC went public.

how much of your privacy are you willing to give up for "safety"? people don't seem to realize that EAC gets essentially full access to your system. more access than you, the end user, have.

and while it does that, people STILL get around it.

unreal verge
magic gate
sharp saddle
unreal verge
lyric eagle
viscid arrow
magic gate
vocal shard
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Like i said this situation is not black and white there isnt a need to only have 1 option in terms of VR social game . I encourage peoeple to try out the other alternative when they work as competition in the VR social game market will only benefit the consumer by driving motivation to the developpers

jagged sinew
livid remnant
# sharp saddle Do you have proof of this?

it's kernel level. EAC runs at an extremely elevated permission level on your system and can inspect the entire thing. do you trust epic not to use that data maliciously?

do you trust them to keep your data secure?

do you trust them to keep EAC secure? do you trust that no one has a backdoor into eac, and therefore your computer?

giving ANY program this level of power on your computer is dangerous and a violation of privacy. you can look it up yourself. EAC has a kernel-level component to it.

magic gate
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I'm looking forward to JanusVR - proper open source project, so we'd potentially see federation among servers unlike any existing platform (something like mastodon)
plus it's godot, which is neat

unreal verge
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There do be some mods I'm missing, but it seems like if i half my resolution in SteamVR i can get similar fps back

sharp saddle
graceful pewter
rancid burrow
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Hey does anyone know when indiana jones the temple of doom comes out?

livid remnant
sharp saddle
viscid arrow
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well EAC is free anticheat, i can understand why VRC devs went to it 🙂

livid remnant
sharp saddle
meager solstice
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@livid remnant can I ask u one thing….

magic gate
cyan dove
graceful pewter
livid remnant
meager solstice
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Why r u afraid of epic @livid remnant?

pine horizon
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Hey my VRC wont open after the anti cheat update. how do i fix it

livid remnant
# meager solstice Why r u afraid of epic <@143097978817740801>?

why do you trust epic?

I don't trust any company to have that level of access to my system.

@old stump LMAO MF COMPARED DISCORD HAVING MY IP TO EAC HAVING ACCESS TO MY ENTIRE SYSTEM 💀

TELL ME YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS WITHOUT TELLING ME YOU KNOW NOTHING

lyric eagle
obsidian helm
viscid arrow
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my ISP changes IP once a 24 hrs or when i restart router and location data is in capital city and i live over 400 kilometer away from there 🙂

pine horizon
livid remnant
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every website has your ip. I could get your IP in like 20 seconds by getting you to clicked a bugged link.

every minecraft server you join has your IP. it's literally SO EASY to get your IP 💀

@obsidian helm unfamiliar with it, so I couldn't say

magic gate
viscid arrow
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connecting to internet give your IP away sadly

graceful pewter
unreal verge
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Unfortunately i won't be able to attend community meetup anymore. Without runtime texture decimation mod i can't exist there with 80 people :(

obsidian helm
meager solstice
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I mean if it’s privacy he’s worried about kinda seems strange to go after epic which is heavily investing Tencent, which just so happens that Tencent is invested in discord.

livid remnant
lyric eagle
thick lantern
pine horizon
unreal verge
meager solstice
naive forge
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i really wish i could @ the devs rn, EAC is ass ong, i really think that not having a vrc plus subscription will help bc then they wont have much money to pay for eac, and take it down

livid remnant
viscid arrow
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@thick lantern my external IP is what changes because i use 5G and to get static IP i would have to pay for it xD

thick lantern
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it is entirely normal to get a static global ip address dawg lol. least where i live dynamic globals arent even an option and you have to call to get it changed if someone ip grabs you

lyric eagle
timid hornet
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jsut fyi: chillout vr has reopened registration and 'psy bones' are a native feature,

livid remnant
naive forge
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thats dumb, i still think that even with their money loss that it would show how much of a dumb decision they made

magic gate
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Semi-related, can anyone find any decent source of the free EAC (that vrc are using) being kernel level?
someone mentioned it but I can't find anything about it

unreal verge
naive forge
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but i think someone will find a way around eac bc someone did with fortnite.. goes to show how ass the antii cheat is itself

hasty rose
magic gate
graceful pewter
vocal shard
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there is no way there are getting money anymore unless they take this anti cheat away

magic gate
lyric eagle
meager solstice
unreal verge
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I'll never begin hiding avatars, that makes playing VRChat entirely pointless for me. At that point i can just hide in invite only instances.

vocal shard
lyric eagle
thick lantern
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gonna be real, lived in several countries and have never seen that as a standardized option let alone be in the sop.

unreal verge
vocal shard
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do you see how lots of ppl are not playing bc of the EAC

lyric eagle
magic gate
unreal verge
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But without seeing others avatars I'm unable to interact with them. I also don't talk so avatar to avatar interaction is pretty much the only way i interact.

elfin turret
hasty rose
lyric eagle
magic gate
unreal verge
lyric eagle
unreal verge
lyric eagle
unreal verge
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Also on my old pc I literally always had to hide all avatars. Result was i just never even went into publics.

hasty rose
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when the developers release a significant update, once in a blue moon, it's generally well made and impactful. Safety, PhysBones, Avatars 3.0, etc.
a lot of the features included in these systems were initially parts of 3rd party mods though. The safety system was a client long before it was implemented. A lot of Unity scripts were blacklisted to make room for 3.0. IK 2.0 was done adequately by mods years ago. The QoL features they're talking about adding in the recent post were all parts of mods and performance enhancing mods weren't even mentioned. Straight up banning mod support just seems silly when looking at updates in retrospect.

magic gate
livid remnant
hasty rose
# magic gate oh no how dare they...... add new features?

your brain is impaired. adding new features is great. removing the grey area that existed around wholesome game improving mods limits the opportunity for 3rd parties to contribute ideas that improve the game. many of the features they've added that the playerbase has enjoyed were initially created by modders is the point that I am making.

atomic furnace
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@covert chasm low-key no bitches

magic gate
lyric eagle
unreal verge
magic gate
hasty rose
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it was always against ToS, but they proved in the past that they were capable of banning people with modified clients if they wished. it being against the ToS is understandable, but there was a grey area because they didn't ban people who didn't act maliciously.

unreal verge