vrchat-general-2

[golden rose]

the game always did its not optimised at all and if it is its not done very well

[tulip vigil]

Once again. Compared to disabled people literally being unable to play the game, those reasons are shit

[vocal shard]

Eac only runs on startup so theoretically you could get a client to inject after each is done checking

[rotund venture]

The most common “mod” I’ve seen was just OVA which isn’t even effected, sure I’m not in vrc as much as other people here but I have my fair share of hours both originally on quest and now PC

Yes it is excluding disabled people but there is likely ways to get around that using tools outside of VRChat itself

[tulip vigil]

Oh I agree, which is why I’m kinda all for the unsubbing from plus thing

[limber solstice]

yes because ignoring minority issues are a great way to do anything.....

[fluid quail]

Your bio has vrchat stuff in it

[dull arch]

EAC lmao

[golden rose]

no way i would have never guessed that!

[wet atlas]

yea we have to show vrc we dont stand for the shit updates

[gentle scroll]

Won't eac gatekeep pc specs even harder considering its a vr game to begin with

[twin swan]

Nearly everything a company does is to ultimately increase value of equity, this isn't a secret. People were just pointing out your confusion about "paying back VCs several times over"

[vocal shard]

Yeah they should use another approach lol

I. Heading to sleep now

Team WOLF bitch is tired

[fluid quail]

Ik Im just saying you may want to change that

[gentle scroll]

wasnt there already existing mods that could deal with most malicious hackers or annoying avatar users already that could easily be implemented instead of eac?

[limber solstice]

I will say they are kinda lucky the game is free, if the game was paid for this would be alot worse lol

[wet atlas]

good bye vrchat hello chillout

[sand tapir]

yo can yall tell me a good vrchat alternative

[rotund venture]

A different server I’m in was sending task manager screenshots of the increased resources, most of the time 1.5 but the highest I saw was a little over double the amount of system resources

[brazen mirage]

minecraft

[umbral reef]

Outside

[pearl quarry]

There are 11,000 people who just recently led a negative review that’s 30% the developers literally don’t care

[sand tapir]

fair enough

[rotund venture]

I’ve heard a lot of stuff about neos but I’ve never looked at it personally, I’ll try it out later today to see if it’s worth anything.

[wet atlas]

chilloutVR

[onyx parcel]

B.r.u.h.

[rare cliff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/w8er3j/vrchat_slander/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[strange vigil]

I don't think chillout is on the quest store though, are there any other chatting games for quest players (other than rec room, there's no way I'm playing that)

[chrome ibex]

so my boyfriend suggested chill and neos and neos seem pretty ligit

[gentle scroll]

Imagine it being subscription based though but in return you got good features, good optimisation, good servers and good everything

[frank raptor]

Hm

[empty cargo]

Neos is legit. UI is clunky and it's harder to get into, but it ultimately gives more freedom to the player

[umbral reef]

They only recently did a hire push and it takes a fair while for small companies to scale into a medium one, even more when you work with software/tools in a way most people have never done before.
Ik2 and the new bones are examples of the first things they did with there new peeps, both really big and needed updates

[rotund venture]

The one thing I’ve seen from neos is the fact they show off the massive amount of creativity and player base

[plush osprey]

vrchat needs to use multiple cores and they need to get rid of the ridiculous amount of render passes. 2000 render passes is not needed

[empty cargo]

You can really let your creativity go wild in neos. Watching a friend make an entire new world in front of you is fucking awesome

[umbral reef]

The game is already multi core, your repeating a 4 year out of date rumor my dude

[plush osprey]

ah, didn't know they fixed the core issue

[chrome ibex]

im going to try chill later but for now im going to use neos until everything is cleared up with vrc i don't really want to get into the cross fire

[rotund venture]

Can you upload avatars from the start or is their speciations to upload if it’s even possible

[golden rose]

LOL the cope in this "community" is massive

[rare cliff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/w8er3j/vrchat_slander/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[empty cargo]

I don't know how uploading avatars work, but you can do it. It's still unity just like vrc

[plush osprey]

at least its something

[umbral reef]

The major processes are not on the same core.
The only real bottleneck that is a thing with threads is avatars, they already fixed the dbones part what caused the majority of the problems related to it though.
Render passes isnt really something the team can fix without just limiting what you can upload

[golden rose]

just what i was thinking lmao

[wheat bronze]

Yeah chillout is great. Glad the game couldn't handle more than 100 people trying to log in yesterday. Definitely going to do well.

[umbral reef]

All those processes are on different cores for a reason- No real reason to spend hours and hours of dev time for something that is 'close enough' fixed really

[onyx parcel]

0 clue

[flint silo]

I hope devs at least add DN into the game :(

[plush osprey]

so with a game being opened like vrchat, people being able to upload their own creations relatively freely needs more render passes?

[edgy pumice]

Most people just got off vr last night. so that why it didnt spike up

[onyx parcel]

pixel please, you clearly dont know how rendering works . . . just stop

[umbral reef]

no its people being too lazy to optimize really

@eager plinthAlmost all related to avatars being just so fucking bogged with unneeded things. I visit events where only medium ranked or above avatars are allowed and 50+ people instances are common there

[plush osprey]

its why im asking the question bc i don't know and i would like to know

[waxen steeple]

paws paws paws paws paws paws

[onyx parcel]

" vrchat needs to use multiple cores and they need to get rid of the ridiculous amount of render passes. 2000 render passes is not needed "

that doesnt sound like a question that sounds like a statement

Avatars with a gazillion material slots are the main problem for " bad running worlds "

[umbral reef]

If your talking about 50+ people rooms then yes, else lmao no.

[austere pawn]

🍞

[spring vine]

10k more and I'm out fam

[vocal shard]

wait till 6 PM :)

[sleek lynx]

So much commotion in all over vrc what’s going on???

[vocal shard]

mods are getting banned

[umbral reef]

Then your still talking about shit avatars without realizing it

[desert stratus]

some worlds are also just shit too, dont forget. go on community labs and join any random homeworld from time to time, you would be amazed at how much a seemingly simple two-room virtual apartment could bring your system to its fuckin knees

[onyx parcel]

There is a reason why club worlds ask you to not use very poor avatars in the first place

[vocal shard]

idiots who didn't read the announcements are acting like apes and throwing shit all over the place

there is more misinformation regarding mods and clients right now, don't believe anything you see on social media

EAC is actually good

[true tulip]

Currently at Mostly Negative on Steam reviews, 30% positive. To add to the "what's happening here" response, it's game modifications, not like moderators

[spring vine]

Fun fact lagging in world's with shitty avatars isn't what's killing your pc, it's vrchat, cbr doesn't have this issue with the same avatars (sometimes it is avatars tho if the shaders are ass I will admit)

[desert stratus]

cough room of the rain cough

[umbral reef]

Clown hour i see
They never did that, i know the dude who started that exact rumor and he is a client monkey in the bad sense 🙃

[onyx parcel]

well its the LABS for a reason , but yeah i know what you mean xD

[vocal shard]

i am sorry, but my modern 750k poly 95 material avatar isn't the problem, your PC is

please use an amazon supercomputer and stop blaming me

[sleek lynx]

Oh Okay Well is it safe to be on vrc then?

[frank raptor]

What a war
Am I right?

[onyx parcel]

thats not how rendering works bruh

[vocal shard]

it will not, if you log on your consciousness will instantly be uploaded to a PUBLIC black cat instance for eternity, by hackers who are 13, and then your dad IRL will leave you

[umbral reef]

So people are not allowed to go om vacation on there own cost and should slave away at the game for your needs. Noted 🤡

[desert stratus]

me and 11 of my friends when we join a public instance thats close to full, all with movie-studio-tier avatars in triangle and material numbers but imvu-tier in terms of quality

[spring vine]

It's not when I have tested said theory

[rain gorge]

!online

[vocal shard]

i am joking Glitch, i promise my avatar isn't

[onyx parcel]

Where is the Throwpie when you need it , some folks dont even remember what they reply to

[desert stratus]

source? because literally every other game studio has to grip with triangle and drawcall counts, vrchat is not magically exempt because The Devs Are Bad

[sleek lynx]

Only black cat or anything public :I can i join go to a new world thts my own friends+

[tawdry gulch]

moment of respect for the mods here to limit how much people can message on the channels

[strong oyster]

Rip

[vocal shard]

lol, mods do not protect you from crashers, that is very strong copium that shitheads who like to go against the TOS say for 2 years

[twin swan]

Side note, I'm surprised how many people had tragic throat injuries as a child, has no idea it was so common

[lyric plinth]

I know that pain my ryzen 5 2600 and 2060 super lags really badly

[true tulip]

Shoulda been here when I first saw the announcement, no amount of slow mode could have stopped that many people throwing their keyboards into a bender lmao

[onyx parcel]

the worst is gone by now , lets see what happens in the latter hours

[queen sapphire]

Who has elden ring on xbox? I need help plz

[lyric plinth]

Not for long

[burnt dove]

Unpopular opinion.NO ONE ASKED FOR THIS UPDATE

[true tulip]

"unpopular"

[vocal shard]

disabilities are more common because people actually survive accidents now that would normally kill them

also autism and social skills are at an all time low, mutes and people who have problems communicating is becoming more prevalent

[ebon bluff]

mich

[tardy spruce]

Any updates yet?

[signal field]

I mean... I like the update minus the eac stuff... The portal changes are nice

[gentle scroll]

Now imagine if VRchat had settings like defaulting avatar to default if they reach over your set poly-count number allowance per avatar, and maybe even having a customisation limit for incoming audio packet sizes, and disable seeing shaders by proximity

[onyx parcel]

its more a 50/50 thing i would say, roughly~

[burnt dove]

My friends can’t play anymore cause their mods turned audio to text. Cause they are deaf

[tawdry gulch]

don't forget y'all to check the recent steam reviews, we hit over 5,000 negative reviews in under 24 hours

we got a based community

[vocal shard]

EAC will help with that, there are serverside protections now being implemented, read the fucking announcement instead of Generic FUD Youtuber #489000

[untold cloak]

is ik twe a kz remobed?

[idle island]

wo hooo we destroyed a game that we love because were not getting what we want

[onyx parcel]

negative review bombing just shows how " adult" some folks are

[burnt dove]

Bring more quality of life changes every lobby that I popped into since last night, since that Beta has dropped, has been crashed

[tame spoke]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

The core problem is, the VRC Team does not really listen to their community. As the linked post suggest, bug reports and feature request lie around for years, no matter how many upvotes they have.
So, bad alignment to the community and - speaking in terms of agile development - a very low developing velocity as well as the lack of an official mod API inevitably lead to the situation we have now: community doing your work, using an not so official API. And it's not only long desired convenience features that get implemented by the community - it's also some really bad pain points, bug-fixes and protection. Also a helping hand for players that are handicapped or easily get sick from certain shader effects or low fps on big parties.
Yes, we, the community, helped you out. A big time. You are welcome.
And now you kick the boot into our face for that ? Not only that you never tried to see the world from our perspective, admit your slow development pace or tried to find an approaching and benevolent solution - no, you were putting all the "wholesome modders", how Knah called them, into the same drawer with hackers and other malicious people.
EAC may have been an option if you released an offical modding API shortly before - but you didn't.
This is basically the biggest slap into the face of the community in gaming history - and you even have the audacity to call it "security update".
So what now ? Like all my other friends, I will of course cancel the VRC+ subscription immediately ... and look for other options on VR social gaming ...

[signal field]

Like I said, minus the EAC stuff

[vocal shard]

They can download RabidCrab

[dire rapids]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

[tawdry gulch]

we're more adult then the vrc "team" that can't even moderate its own community and leaves it to a flawed report system

[true tulip]

I mean review bombing isn't going to kill a game this big, it's just a form of protest to let the community show they're not happy to the point they're writing comments, VRChat will survive being downvoted

[burnt dove]

We moderate the game more in game then own devs do

[vocal shard]

The amount of time and experience it takes to take off EAC on boot is also getting harder every year, you can FUD all you want and cry but this is happening, find something else to rage about

[onyx parcel]

well - valve will just press the * on them and everything is back to normal

[spring vine]

Source idk try it yourself, I literally tested it fam, I tested this way before this issue happened fam

[sand beacon]

The negative reviews only affect the “recent” rating, anyway. The positive reviews still heavily outweigh the negative ones.

[burnt dove]

The community is the reason this game is alive not fucking vrchat devs

[vocal shard]

very cool kid, sure buddy

[lyric plinth]

Dude why do they care about mods because all I do is play on private instance

[burnt dove]

Time is everything. Shorter time seen more people upset. Just cause an overall says good don’t mean shit, if thousands of people are giving a negative reviews in such a short period of time means that most of the community that’s been here for a while is having an issue with the update. Think about the people that’s been here since fucking day one.

[ebon bluff]

People are out here worried about FBT dancers where is your priorities bruh 🤨

[tawdry gulch]

the community is very much alive and breathing, this channel is the proof

[fluid quail]

Dang what happened to this being the chiller channel

[vocal shard]

the sky is falling for you avatar rippers and degenerate modders, i shed no tears or huff no copium

[true tulip]

implying the only mods are ones that negatively affect the game or other people?

[twilit garnet]

mods are good for vrchat.

[glad marten]

Tf did modders do to you?

[sand beacon]

ohhhh no no no I’ve had enough of NFTs. NFT bros are literally trying to make “rentable NFTs” a thing now 😑

[vocal shard]

you ever met a modder? their stench assaults you through the headset

[gentle scroll]

Pretty sure EAC wont detect avatar rippers

[ebon bluff]

not all modders are the same though 🤨 you just got shitty luck bud

[signal field]

I've seen complete ripping done without modded clients or additional programs, so eac won't stop that

[glad marten]

I did pretty cool ppl, still, you didnt say what the fck they did to you

[devout slate]

🍋

[true tulip]

Gimme $500 and I'll let you borrow this picture of a toaster I drew, but you have to PROMISE not to photocopy it when you give it back, it's my only one

[twilit garnet]

man imma cry this game was so good

[hollow tiger]

So, how's y'all mornings been?

[twilit garnet]

now I feel like the game is going to be killed just by this update alone, not by the actual update, that won’t effect me, but the players leaving and wayyy more modders, Idk I just don’t think it’s good

[lyric plinth]

I would rather smash my toe a million times then play this update

[true tulip]

I top scored in an MVM match as non-engy, riding that high still

[rich prawn]

Vrchat devs killed virtual machine users, this is not miss information so don’t even hit me with that shit vrchat mods. EAC is known to block virtual machines

[hollow tiger]

You love to see it

[vocal shard]

Anyone know why they upped the cooldown

[inner hearth]

wait is it true. vr chat is removing negative reviews. why are they doing this to people

[shadow fossil]

Modification of VRChat App or SDK
You may not:

Modify any part of the VRChat client or SDK. This also extends to any unauthorized 3rd party tools that interact with the client.

Create cheats, cracks, bots & exploiting bugs in the client or SDK.

Disrupt or interfere with the experience of VRChat users, including disruption of VRChat servers. This also includes attempts to decipher any transmissions to/from the VRChat servers.

Upload or attempt to distribute files that contain viruses, corrupted data, or malicious software in the VRChat app or through associated external communication software such as Discord.

You may not mine or collect unauthorized information from VRChat using unauthorized 3rd party software.

You may report exploits via our Moderation Report Form. Responsible disclosures of security issues will not result in moderation action being taken against the reporter’s account.

[rich prawn]

Probably not, but you won’t be able to play on plutosphere and shadow

[twilit garnet]

everyone is rioting (as they should)

[lyric plinth]

Probably for people to not flood the server do to this update

[true tulip]

Can't review bombs get reversed if it seems unwarranted, or am I thinking of like raids on reddit or some shit?

[vocal shard]

About what

[twilit garnet]

oh no, you haven’t heard?
they pretty much just killed vrchat cuz in 2 hours a security patch is coming out, adding an anti cheat

[shy nest]

uh oh, the clearly written ToS

[onyx parcel]

like i said , valve will just press the * on them 😛

[coral current]

They really bumped up the time? Damn

[worthy helm]

It almost like people should have been following the rules D:

[vocal shard]

I guess everyone hates anti cheats

[true tulip]

My chat cooldown is still just 1 minute, same as I think 12 hours ago

[barren perch]

yep

[shy nest]

nah mate, basically broken cv1

[twilit garnet]

well with vrchat it makes sense, the anti cheat they are going with kinda sucks, and it will only stop the non malicious mods from being continued, while the malicious ones will continue on

[vocal shard]

I was being sarcastic you shouldn’t hate anti cheats they literally prevent hackers from ruining the game for everyone else

[dapper lintel]

Is the chat still having a mental breakdown over the update?

[lyric plinth]

I'm sorry vr chat your going to make crashers life's easier

[hollow tiger]

A bit

[coral current]

Gen 1 yes

[minor dune]

Uh

[true tulip]

saw Void and thought the bot slapped my ass for something, jesus don't startle me fam

[wispy herald]

I see chats still going strong

[twilit garnet]

yes, it cant fucking happen

[umbral reef]

Top tier clown action, im impressed.
this is more silly then the people yesterday claiming they would sue VRC

[rich prawn]

devs killed half of the playerbase rip

[quaint forge]

That’s only true if you don’t understand how many anti-cheat-mods there are and how weak EAC at preventing malicious mods

[onyx parcel]

aye, thats next level clowning

[hollow tiger]

At least this chat is more chill then general-1

[eager cedar]

Usually if you cheat, or want to cheat in something, aka ruin someone's fun. You go through great lengths, doesn't matter how well protected it is and well.... EAC ain't exactly a good anti cheat, commonly used =/= good

[wispy herald]

A total of 1000 users between CVR and Neos left vrchat yesterday (for a single day), I think once all the huffing and puffing stops this too shall pass lol

[rich prawn]

Right took them years to add shit we already had in other vr social games

[onyx parcel]

i wonder why they put it in beta ~ /i

[umbral reef]

🤡 ok buddy
If they cared they would just pull the plug fully to save themself from being harrased by a dumb community
Why keep the 'dying game with plenty of replacements' alive if its so bad and not just pull the plug so there is no more dying game

[twilit garnet]

from my experience, it was just amazing and I was excited to play it when my controller was back, seems like that won’t happen

[quaint forge]

Thats… not how anything works. Or ever has worked.

[umbral reef]

Your the VC expert here not me :^)
It cant be those things you listed earlier

@quaint forgeIf it aint clear, im shitposting. If someone says silly stuff its a 50/50 on if i reply properly or just try to one up them in saying silly stuff

[barren perch]

I don't hate the anti cheat I just think this isn't the way to do it

[vocal shard]

'yes, anthos ceo, yes, my mod that rips avatars and makes the platform unsafe needs to be kept, please, please i beg you' lmfao

[tulip vigil]

If you think it’s those mods that people are wanting to keep, then you haven’t been paying attention. There are mods that are integral to people with disabilities playing the game. Those are the mods that matter

[umbral reef]

You literally just said yourself they are on the board 💀
So you really think something big as this, with predicted fallout would not have been talked about with them before? 🤡

[wispy herald]

I'm betting VRC has never turned a profit, those VCs that funded VRC are hoping Meta/Apple/Microsoft/someone buys out VRC once total VR users hits 10mln user TAM.

It's not about revenue either, because revenue doesn't put food on the table, its free cash flow

[vocal shard]

i keep hearing this, but you never provided proof for almost 20 hours now

nice try evil modder

[placid schooner]

This is such a shitshow

[maiden forge]

i use mods cause 60 fov on desktop is absurdly low. no pc game should have only 60 fov.

[lyric plinth]

I'm sorry vrc devs are acting like Rockstar rn

[tulip vigil]

Closed caption mods. Eye tracking mods. Hell I don’t even USE mods mate

[twilit garnet]

did vrchats bot just censor 3MM (e. Mm)

[umbral reef]

Ah yes anda big direction like this would never come up in a meeting
Im also sure they didnt talk about Ik2 or things like Udon hmm hmm

[vagrant badge]

Omg there’s no way people are still talking about this 🤣🤣

[twilit garnet]

ah yes, disabled people are evil

[maiden forge]

desktop fov mods, portal confirmation mods, voice falloff mods,

[tulip vigil]

It’s a big thing for a lot of people. I don’t care about EAC being in, I hate client users, it’s the people who now literally can’t play that matter to me

[light dust]

It never stopped once all night people were posting about it

[umbral reef]

Aka why they talked about it before 🙃
You really dont get VC if you dont grasp that you prep them for predicted fallout so they wont go full mental

[vagrant badge]

I never said anything about that. I just came here to see what’s going on and the same conversation has been going on since before 10pm yesterday

[tulip vigil]

Anyone who requires eye tracking to play: unable to play
Anyone hard of hearing or deaf who use closed caption: unable to play
Anyone using face tracking to play: unable to play

[eager cedar]

Text 2 speech, Certain types of sight disabilities

[heavy matrix]

Now how am I supposed to cheat my way to the top of the ranked competitive VRchat leaderboards?? Just kidding I use accessibility mods guess I'm going to NeosVR

[umbral reef]

Team has clearly stated before they are highly against crypto and nft's and have mocked it more then once publicly 🙃

@eager plinthFrom the msgs the devs wrote here its been in the work for months (with a predicted fallout)

[dull totem]

as someone whos hard of hearing i can still play but its a little more difficult

[tulip vigil]

Yeah I can only hope that the people who make the accessibility mods are able to bypass EAC easily too. Issue is if it’s one specific way of bypassing it, It’s going to be patched day one

[dusty halo]

So I started pissing

[wispy herald]

They spent months thinking about this decision, the EAC certificate is signed 5/25. They had months to think about how this would play out and they said it was worth it.
Our less than 24hr review of their decision is well, a lot less thought out too

[pseudo shore]

wait till all these people log in and realize nothing has changed

[rare cliff]

this

[dull totem]

^

[umbral reef]

Knowledge with =/= we want to make it 🤡
Again, they stated damn clearly before they wont and so far the team has never gone back on clear promises

[crude mulch]

EAC is its own software with a bunch of things to push away cheats and modifications, its not concrete and people are not gonna be able to do all the things they love, there is gonna be a HUGE decrease in playerbase until they dont use it

[twilit garnet]

yeah let me just boot up my virtual machine and play one sec

oh wait, right.

[pastel yarrow]

exactly xD

[vocal shard]

nothing literally has changed it all works for me

[pseudo shore]

sorry just been on this game since 2017 and every time theres an update or change the entire community goes ape shit and starts tearing up the walls for like 3 days, and then they are back to sitting infront of the mirror again

[royal light]

Good morning

[queen sorrel]

https://www.twitch.tv/lahyx they still be streaming dont think the hacking is a thing

[hollow tiger]

Morning

[wispy herald]

There is no competition, they are the Microsoft of VR Social. CVR and NeosVR picked up 500 users each yesterday, out of 67K concurrent. Heavily disagree there

[tulip vigil]

Previous updates didn’t stop disabled people being able to play. A lack of accessibility mods and option for those people is fucked.

[twilit garnet]

it’s not out yet I’m pretty sure haha

[pastel yarrow]

hahaha can't be more agree

[umbral reef]

Explains why they made a public statement about nft's and ect everywhere after they had the investment 🙃

[vocal shard]

nah not at all, clients are just down well was down because every update that happens lol

[quaint forge]

If you’ve been here since 2017 you’ve probably noticed the difference in scale

[wispy herald]

Yes it does, Microsoft charges companies extra fees every year because they can. They own the market. So does VRC and it's finally realizing it and setting the table

[worthy helm]

Things change but they'll always stay the same lol

[pseudo shore]

scale of what? people playing? vrchat is higher than ever when it comes to daily active users the last time i checked... https://steamcharts.com/app/438100

[twilit garnet]

as someone who is also from 2017, this update will ruin the game for many

[shy nest]

as someone also from 2017, i really dont give a fuck, i find this all funny lmao

[quaint forge]

Scale of outrage you goofus, I’ve never seen this amount of seething

[wispy herald]

But neither of us decide that, they have total creative control over their product

[pseudo shore]

nope this is pretty on point the last time they had the IK update and broke everyones avatars 🤷‍♂️

[umbral reef]

For sure- But they would not make such a loaded clear statement if they are planning to do something.
Its for a creator economy, what they have been clear about in the hows/whats they want from it.
They have never stated anything good related to nft's or crypto and id be insane to think they want to add that over all the things they talked about wanting to add.

[novel hearth]

!online

[twilit garnet]

I agree with the second thing, they should have added it before doing this, ez fix

[quaint forge]

I was there for the IK update that wasn’t even close to the same lmao.

[inner hearth]

hey does this mean mickey with a glickey is gonna be banned in the game now? because than i have to get in and delete that

[pseudo shore]

anger and rage doesn't mean correct lol

[tulip vigil]

Once again, this isn’t just Steve not being able to use his flying client. Accessibility mods are also being scrapped. People who are deaf or who rely on eye and face tracking, or who need to use TTS to communicate. All of those people are fucked now

[worthy helm]

I just can't believe so many people are outraged about something that has always been clearly stated in the TOS being enforced

[vocal shard]

ima miss flying when it does drop that’s really it

[umbral reef]

Almost like abstract currency tech and knowledge is needed when you plan to produce a digital marketplace 🙃

[wispy herald]

Look this too shall pass, after we're done collectively debating this for 2 weeks. It will go on and VRC will still have the lions share of the player base

[twilit garnet]

Many people straight up CANT play without some of these mods

[quaint forge]

Probably because most people who were breaking it were doing so just so they can play the game or create content for it.

[inner hearth]

thats what pisses me off the most. the deaf one is so discriminative for the game that it makes me think that they dont care for people

[wide island]

chaos is great right lads

[worthy helm]

Well then logically speaking its on vrchat to fix these issues not mods, mods make the vrchat devs lazy, why update the game if other people are making the content for you

[vale beacon]

Has the EAC implementation gone to the live build yet?

[twilit garnet]

no but they probably care for money, so once again, everyone should cancel VRC+

[iron lotus]

not yet, there's a few hours left

[pseudo shore]

the reaction from the community reminds me of genshin

[quaint forge]

Bro dapper what. That’s not how that works, that’s not how any of this works!

[tulip vigil]

Correct, it is. However the mods are there BECAUSE they haven’t added those things. Forcefully getting rid of those mods means that they’re actively excluding disabled people until they get around to making those changes

[worthy helm]

well now they're forced to add these features

and if they don't, they deserve the loss of players and funds

[inner hearth]

I never had VR+ so im ok in that realm. it just sucks that they cant figure out a way to block certian avatars in the game to be in public space and not nsfw or private servers

[vale beacon]

Welp... When it happens, I guess I just straight up won't be able to play anymore.

[iron lotus]

anyone who thinks it's a smaller portion of the community, is kidding themselves too. it's clearly the larger majority that are against this

[vocal shard]

The ToS is a binding contract which when you agree to one, you agree that your account on their platform is subject to the consequences of breaking any rule in the ToS, and therefore you forfeit your right to fight against it by agreeing with it blindly without even reading what's in the ToS. People are angry not just because the mods are getting banned, but because they never read the ToS and don't realize mods are literally prohibited on vrchat. And when anyone brings up the fact that the devs have been using mods, then they are trying to start an argument and get you to hate the devs. The devs own the game... it's their game. They wrote the ToS, they made the game, they get to do whatever they want with their game. We are just players, and they are the creators. So it's pointless to even be angry at such a thing anyway.

[umbral reef]

They have provided the game for years for free 💀
Fairly sure money aint there nr1 priority

[twilit garnet]

fucking clown tutor indeed

[worthy helm]

well now there is negative excuse lol. It's now 100% on the vrchat dev team to fix these issue and address them. If it's there choice to alienate mods fine, as long as they actually add features. If they don't it'll be there downfall, and they have to do it sooner than later

[iron lotus]

They literally said in the blog post this was for the interest of investors though so that idea is out the window that they're doing this for the betterment of community. They're doing this to try to appeal to bigger investors and companies by trying to make their product more bland and washed down.

[pallid surge]

lol do you actually think they wont be lazy afterwards ? nothing will get done out of these clowns

[viral birch]

Anyway Easy Anti Cheat is a kernel level monitoring software that infamously devours resources and despite the mods rule only affecting PC players, Quest players should expect to see a pretty noticeable hit to performance when it finally arrives to main release

[sand beacon]

Online endeavors are frequently free with the intent to grow a user base that can be monetized later. I am all for this type of growth as long as it results in a better product and is implemented in such a way that it encourages continued growth.

[pseudo shore]

pretty sure the game has pop ups in the loading menu that says mods are not allowed but people choose to ignore TOS,
i'm sure the devs have plans to intergrade these quality of life mods, and " its going to take forever" isn't a good argument either, why don't you apply to work at vrc?

[quaint forge]

Lmao god this chat is such a mess

[umbral reef]

Something something Soon
They first did a hiring push, got the new teams to work on IK2 and bones first and odds are big they got someone workingin the background on it slowly like the UI was

[iron lotus]

except this implementation directly hinders community growth, the thing VRC is based around.

[worthy helm]

past year of playing ive seen more content updates than I've seen in all my time playing, they are ramping up but I do agree they have to go a lil faster, especially now when they have basically cut off any third party support

[tulip vigil]

Most anti cheats are kernal level now, thinking that’s the issue here instead of disabled people being unable to play is dumb as shit

[vale beacon]

I'm not opposed to the fact that the devs are enforcing their TOS. My problem is that they are scrapping accessiblity features without providing any alternatives of their own. When this goes to the live build I won't be able to play anymore period.

[edgy anchor]

No it doesnt lol. I've been vanilla my entire VRC time and having no mods have never hindered any communities I've been in.

[quaint forge]

Anyone know when the update goes into effect?

[viral birch]

I'm talking about the performance hit. I despise the death of accessibility features, but I've seen people here say this won't affect Quest players either, which it absolutely will

[worthy helm]

However something I will say that I think everyone can agree on is that they should delay the update until they have accessibility features added to vrchat, as it is definitely really messed up to those players.

[umbral reef]

No idea what blogpost you read or maybe its me who;s blind, mind sending a photo/quoting that part?

@sand beaconThats why its so silly to think they are doing it for the money. The team stated as a passion project and grew that way ever since

[static parrot]

they said in the following 24hours thats gonna be i think 2 hours from now

[pseudo shore]

are you just making stuff up

[iron lotus]

If it's not clear from the outcry of the community, we are losing 10s of thousands of people due to this update. If VRC doesn't care about that, they don't care about anything than money. They said it directly in the blog post.. This is for the investors.

Will provide screen in a moment.

[tulip vigil]

are you disabled? Do you require accessibility mods to literally play the game? No? Then congratulations. You aren’t the main group affected by this.

[eager cedar]

Idk if 80m $ investment is free lmao

[worthy helm]

I mean technically they aren't wrong, the devs said within 24 hours and they said within a month, still falls in the 24 lmao

[viral birch]

aside from performance tanking

[vale beacon]

Yep. From what I am aware of, EAC is not quest compatible, so if the devs force their entire playerbase to use EAC, then ALL quest players will lose access to the game.

[heavy matrix]

This is astoundingly naive.

[pseudo shore]

dude you dont have to be disabled to be affected by the game change wtf

[pallid surge]

have to disagree except phys bones which is still only use on 1-2 avatars the updates have always been the most disappointing shit i had ever heard of. not only that but the incompetency of that team (if you are in the inner circle you know) is baffling

[tulip vigil]

See my previous wording of “the MAIN group”

[vocal shard]

Dude just log in, join homeworld, and play! There shouldn't be a need for accessibility feature unless the person playing the game is disabled and wants to use a gamemode which does not suit then at all, such as full vr. Just admit it. The devs are right, it's their God dmn game, and we are simple users who don't read the ToS upon agreeing with it.

[umbral reef]

Im sure they pocket all that money and spend it on buying fancy gold fish instead of paying wages like every company does 💀
Such greedy devs needing a living wage!

[twilit garnet]

no but disabled folk will be

[glad wasp]

The chaos thats happening from this new update is wild. Vrc just shot themself in the foot. Gg vrchat devs, hope you guys like having the playerbase leaving the game. Chilloutvr is gonna be better then this. XD

[severe estuary]

i used a mod to make the game not perform horribly on my modest hardware
that's gone now, reduced to atoms

[worthy helm]

all my avatar creator friends myself included love phys bones, the new ik system is really nice too and we aren't even done this year

[vocal shard]

'we should allow horrific vulnerabilities happen on a platform that make very vulnerable people to doxxing and leaking private information more vulnerable!'

[viral birch]

"if you're disabled, don't use a thing" is eugenics

[quaint forge]

Bootlicker mentality

[vocal shard]

Bruh just log in and play, it isn't that hard. You don't need mods or anything... lmao

[pallid surge]

so many garbage takes just went by jeez 🗿

[twilit garnet]

oh okay I’ll go turn on my virtual windows, go to steam and launch vrchat, fair enough makes sense

[inner hearth]

when will chilloutver be on quest

[daring thorn]

🍿🍿🍿🍿

[tulip vigil]

Pretty much, most that’s happening is public world crashing

[vale beacon]

So the devs are going to maintain a separate build of VRC for quest that doesn't use EAC? If that's the case then it's only a matter of time until everyone else figures out how to download and boot the quest build without a quest, bypassing EAC entirely.

[pseudo shore]

yea but youre arguing with a random person who said they don't mind the changes, just because they aren't disabled shrug tbh this is my last msg here, its exhausting watching people fight back and forth at eachother. at the end of the day it's a video game that has always had the same rules and they are just trying to enforce them. i got no idea how to make a video game so all i can do as a consumer is give my suggestions. and dats all i can do 🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

right now if you log on you will instantly be sent to the Realm of Pain for 10000 years, sent there by hackers and 13 scriptkiddies

[pallid surge]

yes exactly but apart from that can you name any other "good" changes? i can't

[twilit garnet]

this ^

[maiden forge]

i just want fov tbh

[eager cedar]

That is from one investment alone you absolute buffoon

[heavy matrix]

Actually I think the BIGGEST group would be VR content creators. Without camera Mods every YouTuber and streamer is pretty much fucked now

[quaint forge]

I’d be cool with a blacklist of bad mods/whitelist/steam workshop for good mods but this shit is a slapped on bandaid over a gaping wound

[vocal shard]

If you're using Windows 11 it's going to have issues starting up the game. Revert to windows 10, boot up the game in either full vr woth a proper headset other than quest because only idio⁷s use quest, or use full desktop mode, and just fuckn play! It's not that hard to use your dmn hands!

[pseudo shore]

talking to one right now lol, me group does not mess with that mod / client stuff

[fluid quail]

👍

[pearl moth]

This is entertainment

[heavy matrix]

Dude congratulations on not caring or whatever can you shut up now?

[worthy helm]

I guess maybe because I dev I view things differently, but the new SDK manager, the phys bones update, the ik 2.0 tweeks, and the osc update literally revolutionized the game. Alongside other updates like the quick menu and stability patches

[vocal shard]

when is eac being added or is it alr added

[vale beacon]

Yep, in that case it's only a matter of time until people start booting the quest version on non-quest platforms.

[pseudo shore]

it would be very silly for a content creator to show off that they break tos willingly idk if youre gonna find one whos public about using them either, maybe the avatar searching feature but yeah that was all that really applied. i do think the majority of helpful mods being affected here are unfortunately the ones that help accessibility

content ppl will be just fine

[tulip vigil]

Once again people coming back to fuckin “oh content creators can’t film stuff” “oh performance drops”
Lack of accessibility mods means that the majority of disabled people who require them LITERALLY CANT PLAY.

[quaint forge]

Mans straight up just said change OS to play a video game my Fkn sides lmao

[twilit garnet]

yeah I’ll go run an entire new os

[vocal shard]

Anti crasher? ANTI CRASHER? LMAO! You people are hilariously mentally dysfunctional. Just stick to private worlds and if someone crashes you, ignore them and play elsewhere! It's so simple.

[eager cedar]

Not like there are people with only one arm but idk

[viral birch]

Rook you can be concerned about more than one thing, it's humanly possible

[queen sorrel]

cough i been on vrc for a bit now no crashers

[sand beacon]

Yeah but… I want friends

[tulip vigil]

Correct. But when one thing HEAVILY outweighs others, surely that’s the one you should focus on yes?

[quaint forge]

Bro you’re actually trolling if you don’t think most mod clients have anti-crash tech. It’s the only mod I’ve ever used lmao

[heavy matrix]

So just never be social?

[edgy anchor]

what part makes them not able to play

[twilit garnet]

yeah but I’m pretty sure none of them really liked the game anyway sooo

[vocal shard]

There isn't a problem if you don't go looking for one. Avoid crashers, no problem. Go looking for crashers just to fcking complain, idiot.

[worthy helm]

Not gonna lie gettin real tired of people using disability mods as an excuse for why every mod should be allowed in vrchat. I guarantee more than half the people arguing the point had no idea they were even a thing.

However I do blame vrchat because these are things that should have been in the base game a long time ago.

[vocal shard]

they cannot, they want to FUD

when do they add eac

[viral birch]

You can still be concerned about both things.

[pseudo shore]

well people use the game differently.. some only use it for content, some only use it for interaction, some use it to joke and play around, some use it as an escape/2nd life... just because we don't like the game personally doesn't mean we don't support it for others yaknow

[tulip vigil]

If someone requires eye tracking to play, but cannot use eye tracking, how do they play?

[vale beacon]

This 1,000,000%

[twilit garnet]

their ears without captions or something Idk

[vocal shard]

Yeah, socialize. If you agree to a ToS that says no mods even if the platform is shit, THEN NO MODS LMAO!!!

[old shoal]

You realize that it’s so much more than that, right? Why aren’t the crashes being punished but we are for trying to use mods to avoid them? What about people with mods for their disabilities? Mods so that they can use the trackers that they’ve spend over one thousand dollars on? Do they not deserve to be angry? Sitting here spouting angry nonsense to suck off the mods isn’t going to make anyone less angry

[heavy matrix]

True

[vocal shard]

is eac already added ??

[fierce gale]

i dont see the problem personally

[edgy anchor]

isn't that supported natively? i've seen cannys about upping the update frequency of eye tracking from like 5 or 10hz

[twilit garnet]

yeah I totally get that, I’m kinda on both sides here but I’m sorry if you get this a lot but hi, very epic or even a bit of “pog” if that’s in your park

[vocal shard]

please think of the rich people, please, i beg you, we used mods so we could use our 3000$ vest to feel grass touch us for once, getting rid of the mods are against my human rights

[quaint forge]

So you will defend games being sold as a service and players owning nothing, along with companies killing servers to games you bought a year after because it’s “in the contract”?

[pallid surge]

im a game dev for more than 7 years now i have quite the experience albeit in unreal engine but i can still translate most stuff from that engine over to unity so the fact that you are a dev doesnt really equates better opinion in this context. ik2 was good yes, and the menu well idk i just felt meh about it i like the old i like the new its just UX stuff osc was great as well true

[pseudo shore]

i dont think the devs saw all of those helpful accessibility mods and said " fuck we gotta get rid of that" , how do we know they don't have plans to include them to the game 😮

[eager cedar]

Pretty obvious he is doing it for attention considering his family never gave any 💀 But anyways, lets say heck it mods are gone ; EAC still causes major issues like frame rate drops which is already a issue with a lot of avatars or public spaces

[pearl moth]

I’m honestly just gonna sit back and see where this takes us, I’m a questie so the mods aren’t really used but crashers tho there all getting banned because people are constantly using them

[vocal shard]

Cancelling VRC+ does nothing, VRC has investors and is only interested in what the investors want.

[worthy helm]

a developer confirmed in the chat yesterday that they are actively reaching out to those mod creators

[rotund finch]

you do have a point

[green musk]

They should at least keep wholesome mods like notorious that cant do shit.

[pseudo shore]

i wouldnt wanna talk publicly either if i was getting harassed and doxxed hahaha

[quaint forge]

They might but seeing as the UI update took 2 years and it still ain’t don’t I ain’t exactly hopeful.

[old shoal]

( respectfully /Nm ) they should have implemented those things BEFORE taking away the mods that help people. Until those are brought to the game people who need them/who are deeply helped by them have less access to the game and it sucks : (

[umbral reef]

No as there isnt a standartized eye tracking
This means they would have to add it for every version or add a system where people can set it up themselves

[worthy helm]

I was just saying as a developer I can see why just a player wouldn't like a lot of the recent updates as it doesn't really effect them, wasn't trying to argue your expertise, you're gucci 👍

[twilit garnet]

which already existed so fucking fuck

[vocal shard]

If they talk it’ll look bad, just look at what @sharp rose has been saying.

[tulip vigil]

To my knowledge, it is not. I don’t use it so I don’t know for absolute sure, all I know is the main mod used for eye tracking is now unable to be used

[pseudo shore]

as someone who lives under a rock i had no idea about any of those accessibility mods until after all this stuff happened 😦
i am pro these changes, but i think that those mods were really helpful and i think things like closed captioning, comfort menu etc should be given attention !!

[old shoal]

While I definitely don’t agree with the doxxing ( that’s terrible no matter how upset you are ) there are many people who are giving valid and well thought out criticisms that should be acknowledged

[umbral reef]

Oh im for sure saying its stupid, things like OSC are far from enough for things to not be properly supported.
Was just explaining why it wasnt natively supported (yet)

[worthy helm]

they confirmed comfort menu is coming with the ui update, closed captioning and accessibility however, well, hopefully sooner than later

[twilit garnet]

character development in discord, WHAT!1!1!1!1!1!!!1!

[vocal shard]

These changes only stop the small mods, like the performance enchancers, and the malicious mods are probably gonna come back within a couple days and is a waste of time to try to stop it.

[royal spindle]

alongside accessibility are optimization mods that make the game much easier to run on any system

[tulip vigil]

I’m also pro using EAC, I think that they should have implemented accessibility features first, then put in EAC

[edgy anchor]

OSC supports it, so?

[pseudo shore]

silly billy i had this opinion before i typed here hahahah i just think this place is going crazy

[old shoal]

Yes I’m aware but it’s about to be put in which is why we are all talking about it /nm

[eager cedar]

Ehhhh, I'd prefer any anti cheat that isn't EAC

[vocal shard]

Del is spreading lies and fearmongering, this person is trying to scare you away from vrchat because they are an that the new update will kill all mods. I say this us a win for vrchat. I'm glad fools like this will be banned soon enough

[quaint forge]

I think the main takeaway is that most people would be fine with EAC if the devs actually implemented any mod features or talked to any mod author beforehand even once.

[twilit garnet]

fair (yes I used the entire slowmode to say “fair”)

[tulip vigil]

Most are the same these days. The majority of anti cheats are kernel based

[pseudo shore]

me, top 500 rank vrchat now that cheaters are banned: who wants to see my toggles

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure OSC is way too slow for it to even kinda work

[sleek junco]

https://tenor.com/view/why-whatever-gif-23592041

[old shoal]

Yeah and I completely respect that! Although I’m not happy with the changes I’d feel much better about things if they put in accessible options without a pay wall, I’d just like to see that happen before the mods are taken away.

[pallid surge]

👌 i see, very well, must have not read correctly happens frequently with me. however as a dev who has to make money you must also understand that dividing your stable player base and fracture core aspects that ended up making your players stay is completely not the way it should go. this game was built in relationship with modders because thats what a good healthy community does it improves on it, to just out of the blue tell them they are not welcomed anymore is probably the worst way possible to not disappoint them even more

[vocal shard]

My FPS Is gonna drop a shit ton, and imma crash a lot more, I’m losing my performance enchaner, and anti crash.

[edgy anchor]

i mentioned above that there's a canny open to update the refresh rate for it

[pseudo shore]

ohhh yeah if they added these changes behind a paywall i would probably have a way different view on everything & not be as supporting. that would be crazy to watch unfold.. im sure sooo many people would feel the same way too.

[tulip vigil]

Then they find out how it gets bypassed, and patch it. That’s how you deal with cheaters

[north karma]

Sucks to be the messenger

[umbral reef]

Even then its gonna be limited- OSC is a super great tool for a lot of things.
But for some more whack stuff like eye tracking or those body suits things it kinda aint

[twilit garnet]

^^^^^ tupper didn’t do shit

[vocal shard]

Because tupper sucks.

[fluid quail]

Tupper didnt do this tupper is great

[stoic folio]

OSC is cool but it's really not fast enough, my lip tracking runs at like 5 fps

[worthy helm]

realistically speaking mod users make up around 10% if not less than the player base. I guarantee most people in publics could care less about mods being banned so they aren't upsetting too too many people.

[frank silo]

If we said. We would be banned

[quaint forge]

He announced the change, that’s it really.

[vocal shard]

People want a target to look at

[pseudo shore]

cause tuppers the most popular member. kind of like the face of the staff team at this point

[warped plume]

Honestly kinda wish they integrated more prior to EAC. Most malicious clients already have bypasses.

[white cairn]

Quieter in here I see. Guess the general chat 1 is where people decided to focus the most intense screaming

[white harness]

I did not expect to wake up and this still be moving so much

[eager cedar]

10% is a very very very very belittling assumption, 45% would be more generous, if not 60%

[vocal shard]

He’s the face for the worst reasons, most of the community dislikes him, atleast from what I’ve known.

fud fud fud fud

[old shoal]

Right? That’s my main concern. I wouldn’t put it below them to put it behind a pay wall, but if they don’t I’d be quite pleasantly surprised.

[tulip vigil]

Yeah pretty much, here it’s actual debate, in general 1 it’s angry swearing

[umbral reef]

Yea- I was mega hyped when OSC released.
Things like captions for TTS are great with it, but physical products are just too fast for it sadly

[pseudo shore]

this is informative

[quaint forge]

I think it’s more the daily users and power users, the same people who get full body and VRC+ would use mods

[fluid quail]

So uh wonderful weather today probably

[worthy helm]

bruh? Have you even considered the fact quest users make up more than 50% of the playerbase

[frank silo]

ikr. Great weather today

[stoic folio]

Yeah it's sad, because in order to get smooth lip tracking i need to make a really really over the top animator with like 6 bools per mouth shape, and that's not even perfect.

[vocal shard]

The devs don’t care about our opinion, they care about their Investors opinion.

[tulip vigil]

Okay illuminate me, what does fud mean?

[edgy anchor]

It's definitely not more than 10-15%. Quest users make up a majority amount of the playerbase and they dont have mods.

[limpid hinge]

Why y’all freaking out

[umbral reef]

Lets pray we will get like an API or what ever so all these things can properly work 🙏

[fluid quail]

I mean its hot as heck but other than that weather is decent

[north karma]

Literally got started VRChat 2 weeks ago.... Installed portable mirror last week. Smh

[vocal shard]

fear, uncertainty and doubt. it is used by mostly the internet users who don't touch grass enough whenever something happens that is change

[quaint forge]

Fear, uncertainty, doubt. It’s a crypto thing

[worthy helm]

oh yeah, the deeper in the vrchat pit you go the more likely you are to install/use mods. These also tend to be the most vocal in the community and the most vocal everywhere else. Which realistically speaking is nowhere close to the majority of players.

[mild kernel]

in vrchat safe now?

[pseudo shore]

my dream is everyone will log back on vrchat and get in their silly avatars and sit infront of their mirrors just like nothing happened

[vocal shard]

Whether you agree or disagree, this is gonna lose a lot of members and it’s kinda funny.

[royal spindle]

^

[edgy anchor]

portable mirrors should be coming in a few weeks according to dev posts yesterday.

[stoic folio]

We can hope.

[fluid quail]

👍

[tulip vigil]

Okay but… those are genuine actual issues with EAC, so I’m confused

[pallid surge]

👀 what you are you joking i have actually never met a single vanilla VRC player. i dont hang around publics either so i get slapped in the face because of some people using mods in public lobbies like that doesnt make sense to me im just a regular guy playing like i want to but i get punished as well even tho i never was a part of the issues since i just do my things on my end. way more than 10% of players uses mods. i know some services have built in player counts and some of them reach ~10k ish at rush hours

[full sail]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be

[vocal shard]

it is very unsafe, i am currently battling 5000 orcs spawned by hackers, i don't know how long i will last

[worthy helm]

your dream is just gonna end up being reality, majority are gonna stop caring in about a weeks time

[vocal shard]

Questies won’t give a shit, PC players who don’t use clients (rare)

[modest citrus]

Agreed! They must not be following basic MVC architecture if client side mods break the game.

[pseudo shore]

do not log on vrchat. it is unsafe. i just saw a chris chan avatar cuddling with peppa pig.. this is a warning.

[edgy anchor]

this is a lie. EAC is used on many other games that are completely safe to play.

[eager cedar]

I mean its not like quest users upgraded from it / downgraded to it : 45% at least.

[vocal shard]

Holy fuck..

[tulip vigil]

Well not the second point, EAC being spyware takes a single google search to disprove

[quaint forge]

It’s not the majority, but again it’s the power users, content creators, people who use VRC the most. Not a majority for sure but only 5% of redditors ever post/comment regularly too and they make up the sites content. VRC relies on power users, or well, they did before quest happened.

[vocal shard]

if you believe internet tryhards who think EAC is something shitty like 6 years ago when Valve implemented it

Valve just sucks as a company, Fortnite actually implemented all its features and it saved the game from easy hacks, now it takes forever to properly set up hacks because of all the protections

[vocal shard]

Reading this gave me a headache. Mentally disabled?

Who wants to be my friend… uwu…

[white cairn]

VRChat is 100% client side and allowing for client side modification means being able to mess with things like Udon networking, your own player position, yadda yadda. And once you start messing with your own client's capabilities, you break the trust and assumption strata that the entire game is built on. The solution would be to migrate to dedicated servers to run critical code to stop users having so much power, but that is simply not how VRC was designed.

[frail robin]

This war is stupid

[pseudo shore]

anti murderer? ANTI MURDERER? LMAO! you people are hilariously mentally dysfunctional. just stick to your house if someone murders you, ignore them and play elsewhere!

[worthy helm]

id say it all lines up to players you surround yourself with. I actively pub hop and never run into client users except for the occasional malicious actor. Plus all my friends who used to use mods stepped away once ik 2.0 and phys got added.

[fluid quail]

Im hoping this update actually just gets rid of all these toxic people and thats what actually helps with security is just getting rid of people who are lame

[coral lagoon]

I just wanna let people know that for those that spent their time complaining about an upcoming update. Touching grass is also an option

[vocal shard]

LOL I love this, and your humor ❤️

I’m a virgin!!!! I get no play bro!

[frail robin]

Why is getting rid of cheats so bad like this whole riot is stupid it makes no sense

[pseudo shore]

this discord channel is my morning cartoons!! i just wish there were more funnies

[fluid quail]

I believe you

[tulip vigil]

Accessibility mods

[sharp tulip]

Ban me daddy

[eager cedar]

Its a sledgehammer situation

[north karma]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ight-imma-head-out-gif-15010722

[vocal shard]

💀

[vocal shard]

Change that for him🙏

[vocal shard]

More funnies LMFAO, gotta love the d^k riding I’m seeing from some of the community members

!online

[frail robin]

Tf is accessibility mods and wtf is a sledgehammer solution I’m so confused

[pseudo shore]

Looking for a vrchat kitten (will buy you vrc+ plus)
requirements: must be 18+.. must have full body tracking but keep it on the charger when im at work.. must block all other females in game

[modest citrus]

If that’s honestly how the game is designed, the whole dev team is full of idiots.

[fluid quail]

Yeah at first I helped try and keep it in general 1 but eventually everyone came here and now Ive mainly just been watching

[white cairn]

Cite a game that does this

[vocal shard]

i logged onto vrc and i was hacked over 9000 times, my optimized avatar now has 2 million polygons and i am slowly turning into a SLIME

[full sail]

You sunuvabish I'm in

[vocal shard]

I got all these requirements 🤝👋🙏

[tulip vigil]

Accessibility mods are things like closed captions for deaf people, or eye tracking for people who can’t use a mouse and keyboard. It’s basically mods that allow disabled people to play, and they’re not not able to use them, and hence, not able to play

[vocal shard]

You think they do egirl bidding wars or some shit-

[pseudo shore]

wasn't there a client that edaters would use where if someone joined a lobby it would force the other person to join and follow them around? are you tellin me im not gonna be able to see flying matching ecouples now? fuck this game.

[vocal shard]

you can still do this, stop spreading misinformation

[worthy helm]

storage wars but with egirls

[white cairn]

Well friendo you said it was possible, so I assume you had an example I could go research. I'm sorry to have assumed that of you.

[modest citrus]

Source: trust me bro…

[frail robin]

Ok now I see why there is a war

[glass pendant]

E couples should be banned

[chrome ibex]

can I the slow mode broken on general 1

[pseudo shore]

please dont say that my mom met my dad in a void club. think before you speak

[worthy helm]

true and real, we need to keep room for the bible between these E-Sinners

[tulip vigil]

Exactly, it was a mistake

[vocal shard]

imagine a world without fbt heaven, void club and mcdonalds

[sand beacon]

I swear the person I marry will probably be from a relationship where we start as an E-couple

[quaint forge]

When when you stick a bunch of desperately lonely people in a room together…

Lmao emi got owned

[vocal shard]

losers who stole private avatars are launching a war on Vrchat, giving neos and chilloutVR a total of a FEW DOZEN new members, it is so bad that Tupper cried themselves to sleep and vrchat is obliterated, checkm8 liberal

[limpid hinge]

I want to react with a laughing emoji but it won’t let me so here’s my reaction [. 😂😂 ]

[green sapphire]

aw i feel bad for tupper, poor guy

[tulip vigil]

What if you wanted to go to heaven, but god said “the message you sent had words that are not permitted”

[north karma]

Imagine all the people.... Living for today ~

[eager cedar]

Lmao the fact that you are still on it.

[vocal shard]

The sentient vrchat AI detecting someone with a opinion that mildly differs from their programming:

[worthy helm]

Guys just E-Date on wizard 101, it's easier I swear

[tranquil mural]

comes in and dives under the couch to avoid the riot in the other channel

_<;;;

[pseudo shore]

my mom and dad met at club iridium. my mom had full body tracking and my dad bought her vrc+ and it was history from there. ❤️

[vocal shard]

you cannot defeat me, i am bored at work and like messing with the FUD

[frail robin]

Why would people steal private avatars it’s private for a reason

[static parrot]

E-Dating? I only accept A-tier partners miss me with that

[eager cedar]

Nah it was obviously you are basically just doing it for attention

[worthy helm]

I feel ILL

[tranquil mural]

Jinkies... You must be a time traveler. =P

[tulip vigil]

E-Dating? Who even still uses E-mails nowadays?

[pseudo shore]

at my mom and dads wedding everyone did the confetti emoji and then our entire family index caught on fire.

[slim pasture]

dasd

[vocal shard]

god, i wish, i am just doing it for the free robux tupper promised

[sand beacon]

That makes you like… 3 years old

[quaint forge]

5 actchually

[vocal shard]

Ive just seen what they are doing to vrc and i think its stupid
ive struggle to see due to issues with my eyes and some mods help me with this issue
and make it so the game is actually playable for me,

doing this update will mean im no longer able to play the game and instead will have to switch to another game

RIP vrc

defo cancelling vrc+

Are they hiding the bot removing messages 💀 💀 💀 💀

yes :chadface:

[fluid quail]

So many people dont watch drumsy and emi content here enough to know emi and its funny to watch

[tulip vigil]

This is the most legit thing said in this chat so far

[eager cedar]

I mean whatever helps the minimum wage money

[quaint forge]

I only watch one funny bee streamer but emi is pretty based.

[royal spindle]

i mean population control?? sounds like a W to me. also i met my partner online but we are together IRL so i also think that it is easier than pre-internet to meet & click with someone. just most people lie abt who they are lmfaooo

[tardy elk]

Rip

[worthy helm]

Why don't you guys go outside and play a real mans game like fortnite 🤔

[tulip vigil]

My message replied to the wrong one? I blame tupper

[vocal shard]

Vrchat community turning into Myanmar protesters over a update:

⛱️

[eager cedar]

Too busy with FF14

[quaint forge]

Guys why are you complaining, if you hate it so much just burn your house down and live in the woods of Alaska smh

[vocal shard]

going to lose?

[tulip vigil]

But bro, I live in the UK, i don’t have a license to burn my house down

[raw plaza]

Based take 🙏

[royal spindle]

LMAOOOO never ever

[viral birch]

it's elon, he meant white people

[eager cedar]

Besides not like I have much time for games anyways

[untold grail]

hey gamers

[pseudo shore]

i pray all the lost vrchat kittens find owners in these trying times...

[limpid token]

🤣

[golden dome]

update hasn't rolled out yet tho

[latent stone]

I honestly expected a lot of people to be mad about the update-

[tulip vigil]

That’s it, I’m out, I no longer want to live on this mortal coil

[worthy helm]

I'm excited for the mass exodus only for them to come back in 3 days

[fluid quail]

You can play it though its in open beta

[pseudo shore]

my vrchat daddy says im not allowed to get in full body tracking when hes not home.

[vocal shard]

tupper getting free advertisement from all the ragers is awesome

[eager cedar]

Well if it gives you an idea, China pretty much updated their birth populace rule from one child max to three children max. Japan is still in a decline so is most major countries but it ain't exactly people's fault either when the cost of raising a child became so freakin high.

[limpid token]

[golden dome]

true but naw, update rolls out in about an hour and a half from now, if not less than that

[latent stone]

Bro have you seen tik tok? Its a lot of people pissed about the update

[balmy pawn]

Happy national disability independence day everyone!

[worthy helm]

Something something "Theres no such thing as bad publicity"

[untold grail]

how am i going to rp with the mute furries if they ban tts mods? ill never find my wolf girl 😢

[twilit garnet]

why does the bot get rid of mmvrc

[limpid token]

Tbh I don't think the update will be horrible but it is what it is

[vocal shard]

they aren't being banned, TSS assets to put on avatars still work

[eager cedar]

Pretty sure VRchat needs it after losing 12k users in just two days 😉

[vocal shard]

Are they slowly gonna implement all the useful good mods into game ???

[untold grail]

oh so there's still hope, thank you. I'll keep searching for her

[fluid quail]

How about yall just chill wait a week and then see what kind of workarounds exist

[worthy helm]

its almost like it went from a weekend to a week day LOL cmon now

[twilit garnet]

yeah but they should have done that first

[balmy pawn]

Pffft it took them years to do phys bones. It'll take them years to do that if at all

[spark isle]

mother

[vocal shard]

the U.S userbase hasn't gotten online yet, it will go to 60k by 8 PM and drop off again

FUD harder and cry and shid

[fluid quail]

I doubt everyone who leaves stays gone a lot of them have left before

[vocal shard]

Breaks my heart

[raw plaza]

How do u moan in tts

[edgy anchor]

yeah exactly. people aren't realizing that there are natural peaks and troughs depending on time of day and if it's during the week or weekend. it's serious uninformed FUD.

[worthy helm]

how it should be, no pp in vr

[full sail]

Eerily similar to Stephen hawking

[balmy pawn]

God the TTS jokes are aweful. People with disabilities exist!

[vocal shard]

Agreed

[twilit garnet]

yup, like fr, who is benefiting from this update

[jaunty prawn]

not but the point is that its gonna hurt the gamers like me and now sense i have a relationship and spend time on their because we can have fun and watch stuff together i cant because of vrchat doing this i wish they would cancel this idea

[eager cedar]

I mean if your game is so sensitive to a massive change like that, I'd be cautious with each update given out.

[spring vine]

Just letting yall know that I have all the resources and server needs for people moving to cvr so if you need any help just dm me

[sturdy hedge]

Cool

[full sail]

They do, and I am also someone who benefits from TTS, so if I can joke lightheartedly about it so can others

[vocal shard]

hackers stole my socks on vrchat, they are currently using them for unspeakable horrors

i demand repercussions tupper, my hard earned socks have been gone for more than 5 minutes!!!

i also DEMANd that the AI parents update happen soon so i can feel the love of my dad again!!

[lament steeple]

what kind of mods is the anti cheat blocking? i didnt know this game could be modded

[twilit garnet]

that's a genuine question, is there a single person that is benefiting from this update,
if so
how.

[untold grail]

oh to moan it's usually a "inghhhh or annngh," depends on what you're going for - i like to spice things up and throw some "auuughhuuuhhhghghhhh"'s in there

[bronze hollow]

Just sayin, the cvr cck is pretty easy to learn and migrate avatars to, and they actually listen to their community

[cunning silo]

If I logg in with mods will I get banned? Or will it just not be able to logg in?

[chrome ibex]

i don't see the purpose for having anti cheat if most and almost all world within vrc forcibly has your mods turned off

[tawdry ledge]

https://www.pcgamer.com/vrchat-is-being-review-bombed-to-hell-and-back-after-anti-cheat-announcement/ lmao y'all fucked UP

[worthy helm]

Dude don't play VrChat, I just logged in and they took my Among Us plush 10" TM it is UNSAFE protect your friends and family!

[eager cedar]

DarkSouls_1_Male_Pain_Sound.wmv

[vocal shard]

easy anti cheat, that isn't even out yet, has created one TRILLION hackers, my day has been ruined and tupper is currently laughing over me as we speak

he keeps calling me a 'stupid idiot git gud'

[twilit garnet]

nobody has answered, so I guess, point proven

[full sail]

Does this count net neutral gains?

[untold grail]

AOE2_Wololo_sound.mp3

[limpid token]

Does it not prevent people from using clients? I assume that would be a good thing coming from it

[vocal shard]

BF3_US_DEATHNOISE4.mp3

[vocal shard]

it made the degenerate modders and client abusers who crash people mad

'wholesome hacks!' they logged people's data and stole their information, including disabled people's private details

[worthy helm]

okay but who would win a fight, One TRILLION Hackers or One TRILLION Lions

VOTE

[twilit garnet]

if by clients you mean malicious, no, that doesn't stop that.

[pseudo shore]

wait youre telling me my Toe Tracking Mod is obsolete? fuck. cancel vrc+

[edgy anchor]

it'll stop most 🙂

[viral birch]

the cons tend to outweigh the pros in this beta

[umbral reef]

Hackers, they are used to hiding inside dark rooms without needing sunlight for months
Lions cant handle that

[static parrot]

what are u gonna buy first in vrchat marketplace when it comes?

[tawdry ledge]

I rely on performance mods to be able to play the game. I literally can't play the game now.

[limpid token]

Wait so why even add it if it doesn't solve the problem of malicious clients

[proper eagle]

Hot

[worthy helm]

The Dad addon

[twilit garnet]

bc vrchat is going to be vrchat apparently

i honestly don't know, this seems like a lose lose lose
everybody loses

[full sail]

That's what most of this is about.

[edgy anchor]

because you can never stop all malicious actors, you can only make it harder.

[vocal shard]

hackers stink will kill the lions instantly, the mountain dew and gamer gunk fumes will cause a mirage so strong that even the sun will be blocked out

[eager cedar]

Btw whoever said Fortnite only used EAC is a massive tool considering they also use BattleEye and additionally now Hyperion

[worthy helm]

I hate how two of you gave valid reasons of how the hackers would win and it concerns me, skript kiddies too powerful

[static parrot]

this damn

[limpid token]

I see, so that's why people are upset with it, I was under the impression it would solve the malicious clients problem, but in that case it would exacerbate it cause it would prevent anti crash mods right?

[chrome ibex]

of course they have to sale out to gef whatever bayso

[twilit garnet]

well my point still stands, you never mentioned anyone who would actually benefit

[untold grail]

i have e-scent... how is this update going to affect my ability to smell people in game? should i even play anymore?

[vocal shard]

if you can't understand the implications, you need to go back to school

[viral birch]

they're just shitposting for attention, easy ignore

[raw plaza]

Incorrect. Malicious clients already bypassed eac. the open source non malicious mods are gone tho so yay? stunning victory?

[worthy helm]

just update to phantom scent so you can smell the gamer reek from the mirror in real time

[twilit garnet]

true, I just want literally anyone to answer that question fr

[edgy anchor]

i said most, not all.

[snow parrot]

Yeah. That’s why the people who are posing genuine questions are upset.

[eager cedar]

Was I talking to you, you fosten ?

[vocal shard]

update isn't even out lol, and no one credible has broke the beta yet outside of FUD youtubers who shit themselves every update with 'VRCHAT NOW DEAD? OMG!' tiktokers

also how long did it take to setup? how long did it take the hacker to make?

[twilit garnet]

exactly, this just seems like a loss for EVERYONE

[raw plaza]

The update is out on the beta branch….? It took less than an hour .

[limpid token]

Ah I see, welp, can't wait to get crashed every 15 minutes in public's again

[abstract blade]

Please tell me this has less slowmode

[worthy helm]

as a non mod user, HUGE W FOR ME

[edgy anchor]

yeah i've yet to see proof that people broke it outside of people just screaming rumors they heard

[eager cedar]

Shhh, they are trying to be ironic, at least

[onyx parcel]

people still copy pasting the same sh over and over . . . jesus

[vocal shard]

prove it, my DMs are open

[twilit garnet]

how? It's just going to encourage modding, script kiddies will want to prove they can get past the anti cheat (which they can) and so it will just cause more modding

[abstract blade]

Why does your name ring a bell?

[celest flower]

I feel like vrchat is gonna die

[onyx parcel]

literal veteran

[worthy helm]

I get around everywhere, I am inevitable

[viral birch]

Like, it'll stop like the lowest effort offenders, but if you look at other games utilizing EAC it cannot stop everyone.
At the end of the day it's going to affect people who rely on benign third party things like eye trackers more than it'll stop malicious content
Not to mention, again, the performance hit across the board

[snow parrot]

Yeah. I dunno. The debate in of itself will bring out people who thrive on arguing to make people mad, and malicious actors who want to ruin people’s good times. No clue what the future holds.

[inner hearth]

yet you seem to be causing some of the attention.

[vocal shard]

hackers have currently stole all the socks of my IRL house and turned my dad into a goblin

lpease halp

[edgy anchor]

everyone here complaining is still playing and will reinstate their vrc+ before the weekend when they realize they only have 25 avatar slots

[twilit garnet]

yeah, 100% agree with everything

[untold grail]

hackers erpd with my wife :/ what do i do

[worthy helm]

wat, I'm very confused

[onyx parcel]

👆

[abstract blade]

25 avatar slots? Just remove the ones that got old. Thats what i do.

[tawdry ledge]

At this point put NFTs in VRChat if you're gonna be this kinda dev team

[cyan blade]

I had this exact opinion until like more than half of my friend group moved over to chilloutvr and now i'm confused

[vocal shard]

please, god, please, think of the people with eye tracking

we should let everyone's private data and disabled people be even more vulnerable because of rich people with VR gear and 40000$ vr setups

[elder depot]

old but gold

[balmy pawn]

Hackers stole Tupper's girlfriend 😔

[static parrot]

we are gonna have in game marketplace of some sort for sure

[viral birch]

You're right I hate accessibility and people who rely on it should get off the game

[twilit garnet]

if I was a 14 year old who just heard that one game I used to troll got an anti cheat, fuck yeah would I try to get through, which is easy for EAC

[edgy anchor]

they'll be back before the weekend.

[light dust]

4 more hours rights?

[tawdry ledge]

or the people with $300 setups who literally can't run the game without performance mods, tf is your point

[cyan blade]

hopefully so 🙏

[abstract blade]

I have a friend that has a client and hasn’t been banned/kicked

[worthy helm]

Guys a modder fucked my wife, that's right, he took his quilly hedgehog dick out and I said that's disgusting, it's the size of this walnut but waaaaay smaller

[eager cedar]

12 groups I used to hang around with moved to NEOS, Ah well probably worth a try to check that out

[onyx parcel]

and another one who has no clue

[trail maple]

Did they launch the game with eac enabled?
if they press play in vr/desktop and not the option with EAC they won't be kicked

[twilit garnet]

they are a troll just ignore it

also @abstract blade, exactly, it's only causing more modding

[vocal shard]

please think of the people that cannot read the minimum specs for vrchat

[edgy anchor]

they'll be back before this weekend

[cyan blade]

i've been hearing really good things about neosvr for a while and from what i've heard chilloutvr is basically just more optimized VRChat so who knows, may be worth looking into 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry ledge]

3090s have performance issues wtf are you saying 💀

[devout heath]

people that say they are leaving are just going to forget about this in a week or two.

[abstract blade]

Idk, they have launched the game in the past 12 hrs

[worthy helm]

meta deez nuts

[static parrot]

i think there was talk about an ingame marketplace for some time hopefully buying assets and avatars in game but time will tell

[young jolt]

Poopoo peepee

[eager cedar]

Kekw they haven't been active for a long time, I understand why

[twilit garnet]

honestly at this point they would probably take more care of it lmao

[vocal shard]

i had a 2060m and have no performance issues

[tawdry ledge]

Do you play desktop or VR

[limpid token]

Because it's not just a gpu run game? It usually uses more RAM than anything

[devout heath]

Legit question, Has anyone tried to run this game and run a bitcoin miner at the same time? or is that possible?

[abstract blade]

Have you once had your user as sirdapperpenguin?

[onyx parcel]

tell me what do you actually know about blockchain ? exactly 🙂

[edgy anchor]

it's the natural way of internet freakouts. threaten to leave, but you know you actually can't. especially VRC where you have friends that exist in VRC, and the routines you've built in VRC, probably mean a lot to you.

[vocal shard]

i play VR, i am a FBT dancer

[worthy helm]

nope, I've been SirDapper for the past 8 years

[twilit garnet]

cherry is a troll, just please ignore

[trail maple]

The game is more cpu demanding then gpu, having an i5 + 3080 is worse then having an i7 + 3060ti. Even with an i9 + 3090 you won't be getting over 80 fps in a public lobby with all avis enabled

[tawdry ledge]

exactly, and I have performance issues with 32GB. wtf.

@vocal shard lol imagine

[untold grail]

it kinda smells like updog in h ere

[tropic epoch]

my fart smells.

[devout heath]

true. Discord also is a middleman for that if one wanted to truly protest VRC/

[onyx parcel]

most people here still dont understand that most " performance" problems come from badly made avatars/worlds

[abstract blade]

Why cancel my vrc plus? Even if i dont have it why should subbed members do so?

[worthy helm]

smart fella or fart smella

[edgy anchor]

this this this. optimize your avatars!

[full sail]

^

[marble plume]

I refuse

[tropic epoch]

UGH. people dont realize im BOTH!]

[vocal shard]

i am not a troll, i am paid directly by tupper in robux to defend vrchat with my life, and make fun of FUDs

[severe estuary]

i don't even play in VR mode cause i'm broke and have no headset, my RX 580 struggles to break 40 fps at times unmodded
and that's not even in VR so it doesn't have to render two viewports, if that was the case i'd get 20 or less
also yeah, optimize your avatars sure, hard to do when other people's avatars are the ones causing the performance issues
can't really do anything about that other than going to another world and hoping performance is better

[devout heath]

I have 32 GB of ram, a 2070, and a ryzen 3700x. the game does tax my pc but that means i'll have something to look forward to when i build a PC in the future

[full harbor]

Same dude. People don't realise that you can be incredibly smart, as well as shit yourself at the same time.

[tawdry ledge]

Most VRChat devs don't understand how to optimize their games to make this a non-issue to begin with.

@abstract blade because we should def not be supporting VRC devs

[twilit garnet]

ohhhh okay

[limpid token]

And they decide they want to enter lobbies of 30+ people with no safety setting and wonder why their game lags like huh???

[vital sparrow]

its called Easy Anti Cheat because its easy to get around, beta use have already bypassed it.

[worthy helm]

based and good rated avi only gang

[abstract blade]

That tickled my brain

[hollow tiger]

Back again

[edgy anchor]

why do I lag so much?!?!? >670k poly avatar, 430 material slots, 78 lights, 922 bones with 103 physbones components, etc

[vocal shard]

has everyone shown

[limpid token]

in an instance of 50 people

[worthy helm]

Doesn't force fallback avatars for people you don't know

[untold grail]

its called easy anti cheat because my wife is easy

[raw plaza]

God forbid you wish to see the people around you am I right, grey robot gang!

[full sail]

This reminded me of how I learned my friend sucks at monhun games..

[abstract blade]

Ion undrestand the drama between vrcdevs and users, ik theyre bad at keeping an eye on the game. But other than that that should’ve bother us.?

[cyan blade]

Only issue with that is that baseline safety settings can be a little bit jank sometimes. I usually need to run safety at either maximum or custom just to get decent frames in game since everyone likes the funny red exclamation mark 🔴

[dusk forge]

yall are morons braindead, EAC gon save the fuckin game!!!

[worthy helm]

man A LOT of people in here don't know how to force fallback avatars instead of robots and it SHOWS

[small sable]

no

[edgy anchor]

holy crap I can't turn my cod warzone to ultra with creamy RTX on my gtx 1650! WHY

[vital sparrow]

Got time to delete messages? Delete EAC.

[raw plaza]

Ur right. Sorry.

[surreal vortex]

uhhh guys I mean maybe the update isnt that bad

[restive yarrow]

fish

[onyx parcel]

i already told that someone on twitter but let me copy paste it

How do you want to optimize a community content platform ?

If people would use the actually good avatars and go to an actually optimized world, holy shit you guys would cry about how good VRChat runs

[trail maple]

Every game with an anticheat will be bypassed its just a matter of time until it happens but everyone claiming they have a working bypass at the moment is a scam

[tawdry ledge]

There's been bugs they've refused to fix for years, the game has fucking horrendous performance, and this update shows just how little in touch they are with their community

[vocal shard]

guys guys, my dad is a super elite haxor for the CIA and he said beta has been cracked

[round nebula]

balls

[vocal shard]

balls

[white lichen]

i love this update no more crashes

[raw plaza]

I’m not a filthy quest peasant, fallback avatars is for children with detached parents

[surreal vortex]

whats EAC

[full sail]

So they always generically had what felt like all these sets that required better play over the psp years right?

MonHun World comes around and they suddenly have infinite heavy bowgun wyvern fire chaingun mode. Never flinch. Monster can't move. but they couldn't turn one hit ko or 1hp damage without the anticheat catching and booting them

[tawdry ledge]

Idk, ask NeosVR or ChilloutVR. They both did exactly that. Bruh.

[worthy helm]

bro imagine liking framerate

Real brain rot mentality here

[cyan blade]

it's moreso that no one really uses good fallbacks, most of the time you end up just getting a stock knight or an alien. Which I guess is fine..?

[vocal shard]

NEOSvr runs like dogshit, and the tutorials are 2 years old to do anything

[surreal vortex]

well some people use cheats to spy on others for example I knew someone who used cheats to spy on my private converstations it wasnt fun

[tawdry ledge]

Cry

[edgy anchor]

i have all fallbacks and usually talk to people before showing someone, specifically because the game is plagued by crashers.

[worthy helm]

yeah but honestly the issue falls on avatar creators not making optimized stuff, i limit my avis to medium quality and 75 mb, most people get fallbacked but at least I can enjoy the game with good frames and not everyone is wearing one piece of cloth for clothing

[abstract blade]

I mean, im a quest kid and when i used a preformance avatar the game felt so responsive I couldn’t belive i was on quest. (I main a very poor preformance avatar.)

[sinful lintel]

I remember when games came out of mods.

[naive axle]

!online

[trail maple]

At least is better then Helios VR 💀 💀 💀
that game sucks and cost money

[onyx parcel]

bless you for actually putting work into your stuff ❤️ and not just copy pasting the best next jacket into your avi

[raw plaza]

Ya don’t get it. Eac doesn’t stop those, the clients they use bypass eac. all we’ve accomplished with the update is your everyday joe losing some very much needed QoL functions

[worthy helm]

I wasn't blaming quest peeps, I'm chill with quest people, they are a part of the game and community 👍

[vocal shard]

Is vr chat safe to play now or no

[white lichen]

bru why are lots of people now on panic like they are about to lose their life

[edgy anchor]

send proof

[vocal shard]

Defends a dead game

lol, can't be me

[sinful lintel]

But bypassing it is agaist TOS

[tawdry ledge]

This is, in fact, a dead game now

[abstract blade]

It was always, as long as you dont have clients.

[cyan blade]

I wanna reply to both of you but slow mode so @edgy anchor @worthy helm you both are totally right on that and I agree whole-heartedly, it will require people to actually be more responsible with the avatars they make and wear around but I genuinely don't know if most creatores are going to be willing to actually optimize properly. I think my poorest model is just baseline red, 65k ish poly's and like 8 materials but most of the models i see are uhm, not great

[worthy helm]

I'm planning on doing some public avis soon, a lot of peeps loved how mine looked so I'll make some variants avaliable publicly. Thank you!

[vocal shard]

only if you are braindead lol

[desert meadow]

having a client or not doesnt stop the lot running around and crashing people left n right

[vocal shard]

I only have world client but I don’t go to public worlds

[trail maple]

That's why you never have private conversations in public worlds
I see people saying extremely personal info from trusted users in the black cat public lobby

[sinful lintel]

It's dead, Jim

[tranquil mural]

I've heard that the update hasn't been rolled out officially just yet. When does it actually go live?

[tawdry ledge]

cry

[worthy helm]

When vrchat adds monetization to the game and an in game economy we may see improved avatars being sold, fingers crossed!

[fluid quail]

You know how many people will still be on after this way more than yall think

[vocal shard]

44k users vs 150 for both chillout and neosvr, gg

go defend dead games all day for all i care

[onyx parcel]

👆

@worthy helm oh my , can I see some of your stuff? ofc just dm me if that's your preferred method

[elder depot]

All we had to do was follow the damn TOS, CJ

[edgy anchor]

according to steamcharts, vrchat has lost less than 1k people in comparison with last tuesday. dead game.

[tawdry ledge]

cry 🥺

[tranquil mural]

Thank ya kindly.
Slips back under the couch and puts my helmet on

[vocal shard]

see you next week on vrchat, try harder

[sinful lintel]

Death by 1,000 cuts. We won't see it today, But it will slowly die due to how they are running it

[cyan blade]

on one hand idk how to feel about this but on the other people are already buying assets and models online so that could be a step in the right direction? we'll have to see.

[onyx parcel]

" Stop , they're already dead! T-T "

[fluid quail]

Yall sound like the fortnite community in here lol

[tawdry ledge]

You won't, because performance mods don't work. Keep crying 🥺

[vocal shard]

I only have world client but don’t even go into public lobby’s

neosvr sucks lol

mods, turn on amongus drip inhibitors, i am styling on these fools with my 2 million poly and 1k material avatar skills

[gloomy swift]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahahah-gahahahaha-haha-ha-fun-gif-19042485

[exotic fog]

chilloutvr, i see what you did there

[sinful lintel]

Remember when VR chat ran on Linux? kek

[limpid token]

Cry about it, we won't have to hear it since you won't be on

[vocal shard]

even if i might not agree with the changes i just wanna say good luck moderators / community managers 😔 🙏

[gleaming glacier]

Is Vrchat okay to use now?

[fluid quail]

Yes

[edgy anchor]

it was tested on steamos which is arch afaik, so it should be available to play on linux :). that's the first question I asked.

[vocal shard]

Even if we. Got clients

[vocal shard]

i repeat, do NOT log on, you will have fun and the hackers will steal your IRL roof, do not recommend

[gleaming glacier]

@vocal shard thanks so much!!!

[onyx parcel]

imagine reading "articles" on pcgamers

[edgy anchor]

last night hackers put fireworks inside my computer and lit them off. my cat got so scared and i still cant find her.

[sinful lintel]

Still sucks they added it. It does effect the profomence

[cyan blade]

not my roof bruh ;-;

[vocal shard]

that happened to my friend and he DIED instantly, i heard about it on tiktok

[viral birch]

yknow, you're doing a shockingly good job driving more people away from vrchat, good job despite that not being your intention

[pastel knot]

Can someone send me the petition? Also I'm cancelling vrc+ and moving to Neo's lol 💞💞

[tiny plaza]

What is this I keep on hearing about a vrchat hacker that will take your account permanently on this update

[still prism]

me too

[vocal shard]

Please do not play vrchat!!!! I had my microwave stolen at 3am aswell as my 2001 Honda Civic by elite eboy hackers!!!!

[brazen palm]

PC Gamer is still relevant?

[edgy anchor]

it always was.

[onyx parcel]

simple answer - because there is nothing else to talk about

advanced answer - there is nothing to discuss to begin with since mods were never allowed in the first place

[vocal shard]

Hey guys I’m confused I use virtual desktop can I play vrc?

[vocal shard]

that is my intention, i don't want the stinky mod users on my vrchat who steal avatars and rips them

i am glad tupper agrees with me, down with the modders

[cosmic needle]

Damn

[trail maple]

Has someone here actually tested all the vrchat clones and which one is worth playing?

[latent obsidian]

You know that’s not a mod right?

[sinful lintel]

"Would you like to sign my petition?" -Postal Dude

[untold grail]

OSRS is a pretty good one

[brazen palm]

yes

[round nebula]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[worthy helm]

based reference

[vocal shard]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[vocal shard]

fuck, the egirls hackers are even worse, they will hack your IRL ears and tell you about all the drama in their lives and how sad they are about 'stuff' which i still have no idea what that is, i had to listen to it for 3 hours yesterday before my dad turned off the internet!

[dusk forge]

this was the best decision the dev team made in the history of vr chat yall

[vocal shard]

What’s so wrong with the anti cheat?

another smelly mod user trying to defend their shitty mods with misinformation they got from reddit

nice try

[atomic quest]

Idk easy anti cheat is pretty well known for false positives and being pretty easy to get around

[vocal shard]

The Battle Of General-2 (2022) Colourised

[atomic quest]

Lol

[surreal vortex]

Ok guys it’s not that bad I use vanilla vrc all the time

[sinful lintel]

The RWS discord server is pretty sweet. The devs will actually talk to you. Besides Vince and MikeJ because they are busy people. My buddy actually met up with Vince and smoked weed with him lol.

[jagged halo]

When will vrc servers be up again

[eager cedar]

Think outside the box

[spare marsh]

Ngl it's more friendly that way in my opinion

[viral birch]

yeah but soon you'll be able to use vanilla vrc with mystery stuttering

[vocal shard]

thats your problem, poor, git gud, paid avatars are inherently superior and have protections against touching grass

[surreal vortex]

That happens like quite a bit

[atomic quest]

Im mainly just worried about the disabled community who use mods to allow them to play vrchat and also easy anti cheat is well known for false positives, so a lot of people are gonna get falsely banned
Also its just super easy to get around so it's not even going to be good for the reason it was implemented

[eager cedar]

How 💀

[worthy helm]

unfathomly based

[vocal shard]

least deranged modded client user

[wise fog]

I mean I haven't used mods at all and have had a marvelous time in VRC... I just don't see the issue.

[surreal vortex]

Oh shit ur right u have a point I forgot that yeah if it’s anyone who deserves to be angry it’s them

[gloomy locust]

Not to mention the anti cheat doesn’t stop crashers or rippers

[mild kernel]

whats neos?

[trail maple]

80% of the mods where useful and added a ton of extra feature.
Performance improvements, anti crash protections, Ui customisations, improved camera options, avatar search... It sucks to see vrchat removing all the community mad features

[viral birch]

VRChat that got into crypto from the beginning instead of renegging on the claim that they'd never do crypto

[vocal shard]

a worse vrchat experience with dead lobbies. ceo is currently trying to implement crypto into his game lmfao

[atomic quest]

Yeah easy anti cheat is really ass so tbh it's just a lazy"fix" to the problem

[eager cedar]

QoL for disabled people, actually its not even QoL considering they actively use it to become more on "leveled height" with normal users

[proud wolf]

This update is taking a lot from disabled people, and making your game worse. Legit not even a security update, this is a "we're bad at our job and we're upset that other people are doing it better than us" type of thing

[blissful phoenix]

They should have Vrchat beta at this point

[light dust]

Well I guess this is good bye for alot of us who don't support these actions vrc is doing

[wise fog]

isnt this already taken care of with the sitting and standing feature in VRC?

[worthy helm]

they don't ban people they just don't let you launch 😍😍😍😍

[trail maple]

Vrchat needs to fix corrupt asset bundles from crashing now that mods won't protect us anymore

[blissful phoenix]

Like every other games they make 2 server original and beta

[river bane]

You don’t have bypass anti cheat?

[vocal shard]

@full harbor VRChat has gone to shit and fell out. Joined it for funny people, like Ugandan Knuckles and what-not.
Now it's a bunch of weirdos and social rejects dwelling mirrors, and any attempt to do anything fun or make jokes results in you getting blocked, crashed, or kicked.

[atomic quest]

Idk it makes sense, the chat was going crazy last night
People were doxxing the mods and shit

[blissful phoenix]

I think there’s some mod that can bypass AC

[eager cedar]

Ah yes thats gonna be amazingly helpful for the mute / deaf and partial visioned / people with sight problems

[vocal shard]

least stupid mod user

[full harbor]

It's a massive shame, really.

[stone moon]

As a reminder:
The chat mods are volunteers, and are not employed by the VRChat team. Let's not go attacking them.
Let's take our time and propose alternatives to this EAC debacle.

[proud wolf]

is that an insult or?

[vocal shard]

Even those don't work entirely, but instead of fixing one of the problems, that people can somewhat resolve with mods, they instead "DURR LET'S REMOVE THEM!!! HAHAHA!!!"

[junior moon]

I don’t think the vrchat is willing to listen

[eager cedar]

Doxxing is never the answer, even if the situation is tasteless, making it know on the forums and with reviews. Valid

[atomic quest]

Yeah I reported a few accounts last night for doing that, it's sad that people think that is acceptable

[junior moon]

Surely vrchat has smart people if they wanted alternatives, they would provide them

[rose rune]

How can a mod help with vision/sight problems?

[vocal shard]

i will be moving to chilloutVR, we are LEGION, we have at least a few dozen more users of 100!

vrchat is dead with 50 thousand users! i shall see you all next week!

[lyric plinth]

Who's going to enjoy this garbage update

[atomic quest]

I really hope you aren't trying to justify doxxing rn... most of the mods are volunteers and don't really have the power to change much so doxxing them is just horrible. And some of them weren't even just doxxing the mods, but giving out their family info as well

[worthy helm]

me

[vocal shard]

VRChat is such a shit excuse of a "social game"
ROBLOX voice chat has a million times more entertaining and interesting people.
ROBLOX for fuck's sake, like how?

[eager cedar]

Even then, you wouldn't dox your worst enemy

[junior moon]

Vrchat honestly does not believe people will leave or cancel there membership, please people do t enter and cancel your subscriptions

[vocal shard]

do NOT log on vrchat, hackers doxxed my cat!!

[atomic quest]

They stole my fridge 😔😔😔

[onyx parcel]

my pepsi got hacked, not its a coke - man . . .

[lyric plinth]

I know 12 people that already have canceled vr chat plus

[static parrot]

modding your cat into stray rn

[worthy helm]

bro thats crazy who?

[junior moon]

We need more 12 is nothing.

[lucid shore]

How’s everyone in here, been in gen 1 for awhile >_>

[raw plaza]

Worse than gen 1

[vocal shard]

I've met more cool people on ROBLOX voice chat games than VRChat with maybe a quarter of the hours.
And stop doxxing the mods/devs. Literally a top-tier soyjak for that shit.

[onyx parcel]

your status is gold - thank you for a smile

[atomic quest]

Yeah I've I've hearing a lot of people saying they were going to in some discord servers for mods

[proud wolf]

This update is taking a lot from disabled people, and making your game worse. Legit not even a security update, this is a "we're bad at our job and we're upset that other people are doing it better than us" type of thing

[peak stirrup]

who the heck is doxxing the mods/devs

[timid hornet]

See you there

[vocal shard]

There's degenerate people out in the world, doing horrific shit to kids and animals and what-not,
and we got fat NEET losers doxxing people over a video-game update.

[eager cedar]

Placement of certain menus, re-adjusting positioning, re-colouring to support colour blind folks, re-adjusting brightness without reducing it too much (i.e a colour change per say).

[wise cliff]

Anyone want some of my popcorn? 🍿

[vocal shard]

i know over 12 trillion hackers that successfully made the beta obsolete, my evidence? tupper himself is behind it!

he is 4d chessing the entire process in order to get free ad revenue! i know! he paid me robux to post this! I don't even know how deep it goes ...

Adjusted investigator's cloak. i am in too far, i know that tonight furries will find me and laugh at me when i try to sleep ...

[rose rune]

Ok, thanks for the answer

[stone moon]

Let's slow down for a moment and provide an alternative for the vrchat devs.

I'd like to propose a plan of action in light of the massive community backlash on the whole EAC issue.

First, let's put EAC on the shelf for a bit. We can come back to it later.
I recommend opening up a dialogue with the VRC Modding Group. These people are willing to help add features for you, patch security flaws, and provide accessibility functions. You should absolutely take advantage of that.
For the next few months to a year, work with those modders to implement their features at your discretion. As the mods slowly become vanilla, less people will need mods.

Finally, with all the good QoL, security, and accessibility mods made vanilla... Now you can implement EAC with a bit less backlash.

[onyx parcel]

there is a platform for suggestions . . .

[lyric plinth]

I only play in private worlds so who really cares about me putting mods on the game please just fix actual issues with vrc like fix how the game run like garbage

[rancid burrow]

/dog

[vocal shard]

i also smell my own farts and think this is going work

[peak stirrup]

i like just hanging out in the movie worlds

[raw plaza]

Stop, critical thinking is not allowed here.

[steel light]

i loved text to speech now i gotta use my phone for it

[eager cedar]

To be honest, VRchat should add a steam workshop for green lighting mods that are both QoL / adding benefits to disabled people

[worthy helm]

kinda based

[timid hornet]

Dudeu already blocked one of your accounts shut up

[sand beacon]

As long as they don’t implement crypto or NFTs. I’ll definitely be gone if they do that.

[steel light]

yall i found a weird black rock, its shiny what do i do with it

[last delta]

how about the people who bought full body tracking and now they can’t use it😀 that’s hella money gone to waste

[wise cliff]

Oh shit

[trail maple]

or is ingame advertisements

[pastel oar]

Is anyone else having vrchat problems

[raw plaza]

Write eac on it and replace ur front door. This rock is all u need to protect ur home from malicious people

[vocal shard]

Ive just seen what they are doing to vrc and i think its stupid
ive struggle to see due to issues with my eyes and some mods help me with this issue
and make it so the game is actually playable for me,

doing this update will mean im no longer able to play the game and instead will have to switch to another game

RIP vrc

defo cancelling vrc+

[vocal shard]

Very well said, i agree

guys, my dad said vrchat will fall soon as he is strapping on his full body tracking, i think he is going to go into the metaverse and fight Tupper!!

[steel light]

lol

[eager cedar]

You could still use it, just not mods that help you adjust it some way without it screwing up your model

[wise cliff]

^Vrc dev blending in

[last delta]

the people on quest pc can’t use their FBT without mods

[frail pike]

honestly so true

[vocal shard]

read the announcement or go back to school lmfao

[ripe condor]

woah did i get muted

[atomic quest]

LOL

[static parrot]

spacecal or ovr arent vrchat mods so unaffected I tested q2 with fbt on beta

[timid hornet]

Nah

[lyric plinth]

What ever

[vocal shard]

yeah i have quest with fbt and someone told me it wont mess with the mod i use(openspace calibrator) if thats even true

[last delta]

i did read it, you must’ve not🏃🏽‍♀️ it says they’re gonna try to add it but vrchat is so slow they’re probably gonna take 3+ years to add it

[vocal shard]

you think those mother fuckers can read that

tupper needs to add a vrchat feature of learning how to fucking comprehend words

[steel light]

guys

[sand beacon]

Rich people probably be like “Just buy a Valve index”

[winter nacelle]

Boosters, please move your boost to another server

[trail maple]

Only mods that directly affect the game and its files will be blocked, the quest FBT run outside of the game

[lyric plinth]

Do yall only know copy and paste

[vocal shard]

hi

[vocal shard]

go back to school, it doesn't say that lmfao

[steel light]

guys am i rich if i have 45 cents

[eager cedar]

Also, absolutely based PFP

[sand beacon]

The copypasta-ing of intentionally unpopular takes is becoming a thing and it’s not even funny.

[atomic quest]

Oh my God yes 😍😍👉👈💕💕💕💕😍

[stone moon]

Enough with the copy paste spam

[vocal shard]

vrchat steam rating is much like the hate of CoD, it doesn't matter because CoD rakes in hundreds of millions

and @vocal shard copying and pasting is very unneeded, mirrors have nothing to do with what some mods help others do, so please explain

[lyric plinth]

It's more boring then this update

[eager cedar]

Dude thats almost nine freakin lira if you are talking about euro cent

[trail maple]

I dislike the update but I also agree that people are making a huge deal out of this issue

[steel light]

no just amercian cents

[atomic quest]

You need to touch grass, spending your afternoon doing this 💀

[vocal shard]

where are the chat mods?????

[eager cedar]

Thats still close to 9 turkish lira Inflation just hits hard

[timid hornet]

See you all in chill out VR.

[wise cliff]

Hellz yeah

[valid swallow]

its been a violation of the TOS for years... people acting like they aint been violating tos lmao

[vocal shard]

my uncle told me that vrchat is going down and then went to the shed to fight aliens again, i think i believe him over what the MODS say

[gloomy swift]

[trail maple]

You can if you buy the basestations and trackers. Native FTB on quest isn't possible

[atomic quest]

Honestly just worried for the disabled community and about how terrible easy anti cheat actually is. It's pretty well known for false positives and being fairly easy to get past, so it isn't even good for what it's being implemented into the game for
It will also put a lot of people out of a job since it will cause a ton of people to leave the game (avatar creators, world creators, that kind of thing)

[lyric plinth]

It's going to make it harder for content creators

[valid swallow]

not at all... stream cam works just fine

[sand beacon]

I wish Meta cared about them legs. Come on Zucc, give them native FBT.

[elder depot]

except you can

[lyric plinth]

I use a custom script for my streams

[mellow vessel]

It mostly affects content creators on YouTube or TikTok

[valid swallow]

oh no... anyways

[vocal shard]

No..?

OVR and all the quest FBT still works, I am literally in the beta and used it

[umbral reef]

You can if you had the ability to actually read things
Wait- so i guess you dont then

[still lotus]

are people still getting hacked? i need to know if its safe to play

[vocal shard]

fuck me sideways are people arguing about whos a furry now the hate is meant to be towards the devs

[mellow vessel]

There are mods for camera animations that make it easier to do more creative shots for videos.

[atomic quest]

Who's doing that lol

[trail maple]

It is not possible on quest 2, you'll have to wait for a quest 3 or they will have to release there own leg tracker, most likely a basestationless version of the vive trackers

[fresh dome]

So is the update that kills the game still going to go through in 10 min?

[vocal shard]

The normal camera is just fine. That’s why there was a whole update about it. Just make the camera portrait for TikTok

[vocal shard]

yes, i am currently hacked and i been turned into a goblin IRL, my cat was doxxed and now furries laugh at me

the wost thing now is that people are going to start using malicious mods/paid mods that will bypass EAC instead of the wholesome mods 90-80% of us use so L to wholesome modders W for the Crashers ect, it going to kill the game even more

[lyric plinth]

The stock camera is trash

[valid swallow]

people acting like they aint know modding was a violation of TOS lol. it literally warned you in loading menus that modding was a bannable offense. now they start cracking down and yall hit the panic button...

[atomic quest]

Rip anti-crashers and shit