vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

They hang out in specific places. Usually popular public worlds.

[vocal shard]

doesn't mean we can't include the modded client crashers, you're just letting the mosquito fly around like that huh.

exactly! everyone defending it is ignoring the fact that the EAC is known not to actually work against these kinds of people. all this is doing is causing a lot of damage to their community with no functional benefit

[turbid sand]

they want to damage the wholesome people is all im seeing

[nocturne linden]

95% of crashes are avatars, modders who do it will still do it no matter what anti cheat they do

[cedar abyss]

Or maybe just someone with a different experience, nah that couldn't be possible right

[timid hornet]

I mean honestly if even half of us don't get on vrchat for a week and cancel our vrchat+ they'll be screwed.

[vocal shard]

where'd you get that number from? the laughing coffins brain? pretty empty if you say so.

[true wind]

_> what does that mean? id know if i was crashed by some scum

[vocal shard]

that's literally all they're doing

[glass orchid]

its much more them trying to enforce ToS and standardize their game, Hopefully being actually effective to Atleast SOME degree

[torn shoal]

highkey doubt, had far more network crashers than avatar crashers in the last 3 years

[vocal shard]

cope, this is a banger update 😎

[nocturne linden]

if you think most crashes are mod related, you are blind to the game or dont play it that much

[halcyon tapir]

people can bypass EAC in other online games. this is a unity based game. UNITY! it's open source as they get, people will figure out ways around this and we will still have crashers in lobbies.

[crystal fossil]

So much misinformation and entitlement. No wonder they only gave 24 hours notice even though they've been prepping since December. The backlash is typical though. Can't please everyone.

[vocal shard]

infact, i'll be playing it a lot less now, you really gotta read your statistics.

[edgy anchor]

you can just use safety settings.

[mystic carbon]

Mark my words, the mod militia will storm the Capitol over this

[gusty aurora]

It feels like this is an issue that can't be solved.

The amount of people that are acting like Tupper is the entire VRChat dev team

[nocturne linden]

the quest users are usually underage and cant use a credit card

[timid hornet]

Sadly I think you're right, thankfully there are a few options left to pick that aren't vrc that have optimized servers

[vocal shard]

I'm just so glad that vrchat is going to be so much safer.
I know that people are upset about the nice mods, but I have been terrified of going into instances beyond my closest circle because of avatar thieves. I didn't even know about the other malicious ones. Although things are def gonna get bypassed still, just knowing it'll be less accessible is great!!

[edgy anchor]

safety settings should now actually work 🙂 use them

[cedar abyss]

Fair, I have not followed their reasoning and whatever.

[broken condor]

underage to the point where they shouldn’t be on the fucking game

[vocal shard]

i'm a quest user, I am over vrchat age requirement , and use a debit card, a lot of quest users are 10 year olds who eat cheetos and watch josh dub all day, you're missing out the good , and pissing on the bad.

[mystic carbon]

It won’t be safer, malicious mod users will find a way around EAC and QoL mod users will be left in the dust

[valid swallow]

Based VRChat update

[shut escarp]

its only less accessible to the ppl who dont do much but the real hackers and stuff will now rule the game cause they can bypass it easy

[vocal shard]

Exactly, less accessible 🤨 thats wat i said

[edgy anchor]

they absolutely do, especially when clients are gone and all that's left are shader crashers 🙂

[elder depot]

that's why it's only in beta atm

[vocal shard]

can we do a mod lives matter chain

[nocturne linden]

actually there are 22,284 steam users on vrchat right now, which means the rest are quest users =]

[timid hornet]

It's not gonna help at all the crasher mods will get by the eac easily

[floral flax]

There are 66975 users in VRChat currently

[reef silo]

Otherwise Cancel it to show that this is NOT the Solution...

Its like the Gun Law All Over Again......Criminals are still gonna get thru Crash Users .....

And id be Damned if one gets thru and crashes Users after this update```

[merry ore]

@vocal shard @covert chasm already posted once that it shouldn't effect it.

[frozen jackal]

It's just going to cause more crashes due to no anti crash mods, avatar ripping never needed mods either, this won't do anything good for avatar ripping. Anti rip mods that some people have developed now won't work and will make it easier to rip them

[wraith prawn]

i think thats a bit of an overreaction its just a game

[halcyon tapir]

exactly, people still get around turned off avatars when it comes to crashing networks. How is this going to resolve that?

[cold phoenix]

22284 users rn,and 15k signed the thing to remove EAC

[gusty aurora]

Ai tell me you're joking dude. VD is how I play the game. Christ.

[rugged agate]

It's in Open Beta... for 24 hours. They plan to release to Live tomorrow.

[edgy anchor]

not with clients banned :). safety settings hide shaders, animations, whatever you choose. you can learn about them here: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-safety-and-trust-system

[languid helm]

Tupper is the face and shouldn't be attacked so directly, just the messenger after all. I honestly feel sorry for them at this point as its going to be near impossible to run through the messages and see what's genuine and what's just a 'meme/trolling' at this point, and thats kinda bad as there is alot of genuine concerns and points intermixed between all the vitriol.

[vocal shard]

Someone's never heard of safety settings 0_0

[vocal shard]

i've been crashed by people who's avatars i've had hidden... :/

[vocal shard]

it's not just a game , the point of the game is that behind the game is a real person,really hate it when people say that's

[willow bough]

EAC will do absolutely nothing to stop people that want to be malicious with clients; Developers of said clients and people themselves will bypass EAC. It's not in any way a foolproof anticheat. On the other hand, everyone else not using such clients gets fucked by the change. It's a pretty 5head move by vrchat tbh. Will be cancelling my VRC+ sub, sadly

[flat star]

God I hope not, I use quest with virtual desktop so this better not fuck with it otherwise no more wireless vr for me

[rugged agate]

Safety settings aren't going to be enough. It's not going to stop people using EAC-patched clients and doing the same as usual. EAC is notoriously easy to get around and people have been getting crashed in the open beta.

[edgy anchor]

so what else is there?

[lost prairie]

Hell nah

[vocal shard]

aint no way

[vocal shard]

work with the modders and actually take time to fix their game?

[nocturne linden]

lol EASY ANTI CHEAT loads up real big on your screen anyway when you boot any game using it

[vocal shard]

Air link works perfectly without VD

[night fern]

Nah they capping

[regal lake]

Literally this

[valid swallow]

Facts

[frozen jackal]

Yeah I shouldn't have to in order to be in a big lobby, I've never had to before thanks to anti crash mods

[wraith prawn]

people hacking is really not as severe as criminals irl idk

[flat star]

Airlink Is awful, i get worse frames with it.

[reef silo]

same face

[merry ore]

Okay, I can see devs are heavily moderating chat right now, nothing I said in the last 2 sentences should have gotten me flagged like that.

[lost prairie]

Aint no way they said that yo like really wtf

[edgy anchor]

works on my machine, except when someone has a client

[frozen jackal]

There are also avatars that can crash people even when hidden with safety settings, those have been around for a while

[vocal shard]

there's way more cons than pros in this update , rlly bugging me

That's fair. Sorry guys. I just haven't had much luck with VD :(

This update actually is hella good and helpful, for all the people complaining, why don't you just go on neos or cvr 🤨

Vd works for me

[flat star]

Also it reduces the image quality significantly

[edgy anchor]

safety settings can hide those 🙂

[valid swallow]

Guess I’m renewing VRC+ 💯

[vocal shard]

idk what either of them are lmao

[vocal shard]

yeah and the people who make crashing clients and the like aren't going to stop just cuz of EAC, they're going to (and already have) find work arounds to keep crashing people

[frozen jackal]

Because I don't want to do the hundreds or hours of perfecting my avatars and worlds ALL OVER because vrchat decided no quality of life for you

[nocturne rose]

Not photon bots tho, I’m just gonna stay off vr til they fix it

[sick tide]

cuz i like vrchat and want the best for it. This update is crap and gonna kill it

[vocal shard]

Oh shoot noton open beta

[rugged agate]

Just to name a few...
• Shader crashers that overload memory
• FinalIK exploits
• Floating point manipulation
• Photon exploits (aka RPC / Event 9)

[valid swallow]

Why. I thoroughly enjoy VRChat. Idc about the update because I don’t mod the game. Never once had a crashing issue.

[vocal shard]

sounds like ur coping with this fire update

[edgy anchor]

did you read the link

[vocal shard]

there's no way you've been on vrchat, had vrc+, and never been crashed..

[pure minnow]

Man you got to talking about this up to you a lot and it is sure a huge impact into virta and to all the PC users out there huh?

[tribal lotus]

Bruh

[valid swallow]

i9 11900k, RTX 3070ti FTW

[rancid willow]

I have never crashed either lol]

[vocal shard]

Update is shit lmao

[vocal shard]

are you just trying to annoy people

it's working.

[flint slate]

Not sure what they mean by saying that Virtual Desktop doesn't work. I regularly play say, Rec Room which has EAC using a wireless Quest 2 using Virtual Desktop. It should just work since Virtual Desktop doesn't interact with VRchat's files in any way?

[vocal shard]

I'm not, this update is actually a godsend. Less client users is always epic

[rancid willow]

yeah i9 and rtx 3080 for me never crashed either lol

[sick tide]

maybe not kill, but not healthy. The hole game is made by modders. you limit the modders, you limit the game. plus the update isnt gonna change anything thats actually wrong with the game

[valid swallow]

Airlink is the one issue. I’d buy the link cable but it would mean I’d have to give Facebook another 80$

[vocal shard]

yo it's the recroom guy

hi recroom guy.

[vocal shard]

the crashers aren't going to leave, you'll just have less people to talk to in general :/

Guys theres a thing called safety settings for a reason yk

[mystic carbon]

I’m not trolling when I say we are starting the official ™️ VRChat rebellion militia. They will regret these changes 😡

[torn shoal]

Yeah, good hardware irons out a lot of things. I'm running a 2700X and a 2080ti and like 32 gigs of RAM. Only crashes that actually hit me are network ones

[languid helm]

I wholeheartedly approve of this.

[sinful tree]

yea google eac bypass, youll get a whole waaaay too detaiuled guide and everything!!

[edgy anchor]

i've never needed mods and i've made some of the best friends of my life. no issues here. i understand accessibility for disabilities, but otherwise they really aren't necessary.

[valid swallow]

See I’ve got a community. Majority of us all play in public worlds together

[rancid willow]

but I support mods fully because before my 3080 i had 1650 and mods helpt me for nnot crashing etc

[flint slate]

Weird. It should just work without any additional work. 😕

[vocal shard]

Client users are going to become less common, with only the more real hackers having access to client stuff and whatnot, crashing is always going to be a problem no matter what, but I've never had to deal with it using safety settings. So in the end fire update, and everyone complaining can go to neos or cvr 😈

[calm whale]

"this update personally doesn't affect me so I have no idea why anyone could get mad!"

[vocal shard]

Ik im talking bout the people who dont mod and are happy bout the update

[vocal shard]

ngl you sound like you don't even PLAY vrchat

y'all are so delusional but ok, hope one of those assholes doesn't brick ur computer :/

I don't like the update just bc the only client I use is an avatar searcher 🤷‍♂️

[edgy anchor]

i absolutely never get crashed unless it's client users, because of my granular safety settings. i've also seen only people modding get crashed in worlds before.

[raw plaza]

i never need a car and i've made thousands of trips to grocery stores in my life. no issues here. i understand accessibility for disabilities, but otherwise they really aren't necessary.

[languid helm]

okay dumpster fire ni ni, love you all 😛

[rancid willow]

cuz they are all quest users? lmao 💀

[flint slate]

Interesting. I know this is the VRchat Discord 😆 but if you want to DM me and send an output log of you attempting to start the game using VD, I can forward it to the right folks.

[vocal shard]

There is crasher clients

[mystic carbon]

Instead of storming the capitol maybe they should’ve stormed vrc headquarters LOL

[edgy anchor]

so use safety settings?

[void latch]

I wonder if the devs are gonna change their mind after all this chaos or not, there is lots of damage done already

[vocal shard]

But most are avis

[torn shoal]

There's definitely both, let's be real

[terse burrow]

and photon users

[vocal shard]

a lot of people are also showing their blatant ableism and it's kind of disgusting just how many people are ok being out about that 😬

[sick tide]

im gonna get crashed more in public worlds though. i see people saying they have never has problems with crashers. yall must not play alot. i get crashed all the time. Mods stop the crashers. And know the crashers are gonna run free

[vocal shard]

I already lose a psu bcuz of particle crashers

[nocturne rose]

Photon bots can bypass safety settings, what will you do then huh?

[vocal shard]

I don't believe safety settings protect you from clients 100% of the time,

[rancid willow]

let me be honest i had mods and anti crashes because I used to have 1650 and now I have 3080 and dont crash at all and there different kinds of crashes there is also audio crashing alot of people dont know

[flint slate]

Just interested in the topic, what sort of accessibility features currently exist that are going to be prevented if mods aren't enabled?

[vocal shard]

To everyone talking about crashers , I've never been crashed by an avatar crasher, only client ones and with the new update those are gonna be less accessible :)))

[nocturne linden]

ok let me ask you this, if most car crashes are caused by bad brakes, and just sometimes its the tires, what should you focus on? oh the brakes

[vocal shard]

They did now. My buddy had a client to crash people today and it worked

[terse burrow]

i switched to chilloutvr but the servers are crashing due to everyone switching

[edgy anchor]

they wont, but clients are now gone

[alpine folio]

The amount of quality of life mods lost will be tragic. Opening vrchat will feel stale and dated.

[vocal shard]

hi recroom guy again

you're the guy from
recroom

[vocal shard]

i don't know the names personally, but from what i've been seeing in discussions is a lot of things for motions (like tics) or things for colorblindness, regular blindness, deafness, it goes on and on

[torn shoal]

I was just correcting the comment, I wasn't making any sort of statement. Back off

[versed pivot]

I've only been crashed a handful of times in my time of playing vrc

[nocturne rose]

I don’t think you realize how smart they are, they will find a loop hole

[rancid willow]

so I have to mute everyone automatically then? because audio crashes were big thing back then and still was couple of days ago

[slate verge]

agree with you here, i have never once got crashed by avatars and only mods. Even my old gpu 970, i was never crashed by avatars. Lagged at most.

[flint slate]

shhhh

I'm just another VRchat player too, I have maybe 400 hours in VRC. Also a very fun social platform.

[raw plaza]

they're gonna be just as accessible as before, because it was never the open source easy to use mods that were the problem, but the malicious private clients that, lets be real here, majority of malicious client users pay for

[vocal shard]

No.

[edgy anchor]

in software, you'll never catch everyone, but you can make a dent in the malicious activity

[proper wharf]

The AMD FSR mod should be implemented client-side.

[vale tundra]

cmon now

[vocal shard]

but they're also now blocking off parts of their community that rely on mods in order to play with different disabilities or who can't afford UBER powerful PCs

[idle wharf]

Yeah, everyone's gonna believe you there

[nocturne rose]

Your just defending because you got a fancy color or your blind

[vocal shard]

Then you clearly don't know how to use safety or just don't use it, i've never been crashed with safety on by someone with a avi crahser. This update is just good.

[dim stirrup]

This is my favorite game over 900hours and your going to make it unfair with this new update why do you hate your community so much

[sick tide]

ok lets see how this goes, i have always used safety setting do to me having crap internet. have still gotten crashed xD
Ill take your word on it though, despite safety setting not helping in the past for me against crashers xD

[vocal shard]

love seeing innocent messages get removed ,

[ornate tree]

I agree that I am also for this update. I've never had to use any mods, but thats just my opinion.

[rancid willow]

I mean I am glad that security is better no offense but they should have done it another way by still having mods

I think mostly they want vrchat to make it kids friendly game because game self has been in spotlight many times for bad behavior aka clubs childeren having at age 13 quest 2 thoo I think its also parents fault that kid get quest 2

[slate verge]

love seeing people who uses mods acts like innocent

[light summit]

i have a question? why not just separate the versions of VRC? like one part moddable and the other part anti-cheat? that way people who are using quest will have bare bones and people with pc can decided if the wanna use Vanilla or modded?

[flint slate]

That would be maintaining two versions of the same app, which is very difficult and unreasonable from a dev perspective.

[vocal shard]

that involves actually putting time and effort in, which the vrc devs are clearly unable to do

[edgy anchor]

i've just played vanilla my entire vrc time and don't see a need for mods. like I said, I understand the accessibility concerns for disabled individuals, but outside of that I don't really see it as anything other than people getting their TOS breaking mods removed as the TOS said could happen and even warns you constantly during loading screens.

[vocal shard]

then it wouldn't be so mixed and mixing it up really makes vrc vrc

[torn shoal]

Effectively increases the serverload and also workload as you have to maintain both

[sick tide]

sounds good in theory but idk about all that

[broken condor]

literally almost all crashers are avatar based.

[rancid willow]

its not that easy its to big game and to much effort

[dim stirrup]

Split the game into two parts don't ruin the whole pie!

[void flint]

my ability to save my full body calibration is really breaking the game super hard a guess lul

[barren whale]

give us wild west vrchat once again

[nocturne rose]

So your supporting them removing mods that assist people who have weaker set ups? Oh don’t forget the disabled! Not everyone has big buck or fancy WiFi to avoid crashing CONSTANTLY

[light summit]

i mean car x does it pretty well and their a indie company

[vocal shard]

i mean i'm just gonna say this, if full body will be harder, does this mean couples who are long distance can't get their groove on ? weird question but is that a thing , like they gonna cockblock

[hollow moon]

Among us vr

[vocal shard]

honestly that's a really good point i haven't heard before, this could have a bad effect on a lot of peoples LDRs

[stable eagle]

....I use a cloud pc to play vr chat and it was banned due to the anti cheat..I can't talk to my vr chat friends anymore

[topaz rose]

idk how they're gonna add more stuff into the game when the game is already poorly optimized lol, my poor rx 6600 can't even handle vrchat with all the avatars turned on because the game is just meh /shrug

[vocal shard]

like i mean thats how some people cope with their partner if they're long distance, and since fbt will be harder without mods, it's kinda gonna just gonna crumple it up and burn it.

This update is honestly helpful, everyone complaining, just play a different game 🙂

[timid hornet]

Because wholesome mods exist.and the malicious ones will still make it through the eac

It's just another prime example of the devs laziness

[vocal shard]

cant they implement some form of fbt accessibility into the mainframe OF vrchat to save peoples freaky time or whatever on earth they do

because simulating physically being close to each other can help make the distance easier to manage

[stable eagle]

....I have friends in vr chat and now I'm unable to speak to them again, how is that helpful

[vocal shard]

L + Fire update + ur maidenless

[viscid egret]

I wonder how neos vr is doing right now with this news...

[valid swallow]

Based

[alpine folio]

if the update is so good, why don't you go play it.

[torn shoal]

Probably not better when they realize it's a cryptobro VR game

[sweet gazelle]

I wonder how CVR is doing

[west raft]

in neos whoever makes the instance is the server host so most the time you are lagging

[vocal shard]

someone always gonna play the go outside card

[vocal shard]

I have been, it's pretty epic. Just taking a break for a while

[nocturne rose]

“Go play a different game” some people bought vr gear specially for vr and now it’s gonna track like garbage! Not to mention that people who can’t hear are gonna get screwed over and you think that’s fire?!

[valid swallow]

Fire update

[torn shoal]

Full body cost me a total of 400 dollars. Way less than a plane ticket. Not that I use it for that sorta thing, but full body isn't "thousands"

[minor raft]

actually https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799749214329897031/1001287509004800092/unknown.png

[viscid egret]

the crypto is a subculture, its like saying vrchat is a furry game because there are furries in it. it offers a lot more than cvr including making/customizing and transferring avatars from within the game

[west raft]

So like how many quest users are gonna get broken up with to find a epartner with a good headset

[vocal shard]

I mean joke or not it quite literally will ruin peoples LDR's like @vocal shard mentioned

[runic zinc]

Exactly

[vocal shard]

By different game I mean Neos or CVR goofball

one time FBT purchase < multiple trips

[idle wharf]

i wasnt making accusations, i was just saying there's plenty of people here who wont believe you

[slate verge]

it doesn't matter, allowing the use of mods will destroy vrc and the Good People doesn't realize this either. Its like fighting fire with fire against malicious users.

[nocturne rose]

Why don’t you go play snakes and ladders because your mind isn’t mature enough to realize there’s an issue

[torn shoal]

3 vive 2.0 trackers + straps? This was before they updated the game to support more, but I still have legs

[vocal shard]

fr., some people may have people / animals they need to cater too, this is why vrchat holds so much importance for socialising, it kinda holds some people together.

[viscid egret]

also neos tripled in users rn with a new all-time peak. This is what cvr and neos was looking for, they can thank vrc for that

[vocal shard]

i meant that FBT is cheaper than multiple trips. OBVIOUSLY trips are preferred but that's expensive, it's cheaper to pay that for FBT once

[raw plaza]

@vocal shard is just trolling to stoke the flames, new acc freshly joined just to spew dumb shit 🤡

[vocal shard]

Imagine not just switching over to Neos or CVR if not having mods is that much of an issue on vrc

[alpine folio]

If you never used mods and aren't into that stuff why are you even talking. Just here because you like drama?

[torn shoal]

Yeah, I already had a vive pro sitting around. Tho base stations are like 150 each so still under "thousands" as he claimed

[timid hornet]

That's not even true ekm loader made the game actually work for more than 30% of userbase

[void latch]

Maybe because moving out isnt as easy as you think?

[west raft]

haha smell like broke in here

[vocal shard]

just .. irrelevant ..

i was strictly talking about cost since that's what you brought up in your argument first FBT is cheaper than multiple trips idk how many times i have to say that for you to see it

[dim slate]

hi again sorry, my friend and i go into vc on discord to talk and mute each other on vrchat, does doing that too often affect our user ranks? or does muting friends in vrc not affect their ranks?

[slate verge]

by allowing mods, malicious users thinks all mods are allow, thus destroying the game

[fossil idol]

Go to bed. They wont listen

[night lark]

if its so easy to bypass then it isn't stopping wholesome mods

[runic zinc]

Yep

[vocal shard]

what is it w y'all and the go outside card, it's not that easy for some people , you never know what someone may be feeling .

spoken strongly by @rugged agate

spoken strongly by

[rugged agate]

A bit of a privileged position don't you think?

There are many, many people who rely on VRChat as a way to connect because they are unable to "go outside". People with disabilities who simply cannot physically do so, mental disabilities that make it impossible to function in public spaces, people in communities that do not support their lifestyles and where it can be dangerous to do so, people who are stuck in isolation for any reason, people who can't travel because they're living paycheck-to-paycheck or they can't get time off or that simply cannot afford the incredible expense of traveling as prices surge.

[torn shoal]

I got each tracker for like 110 bucks + some cheapo straps. Not a bad deal but I wish I had the battery life of the 3.0 trackers

[jovial roost]

G e t R i d O f A n t i - C h e a t

[alpine folio]

agreed

[lost prairie]

Agreed

[valid swallow]

CaNcEl VrC+ bruh

[void latch]

What does touching grass and peeking at the sun have to do with moving out? Didnt quite catch that

[vocal shard]

I was literally gonna buy it today , then someone pinged me in the rr server abt the chaos here, saved my ass tbh.

[torn shoal]

NGL you're kinda being a douche here my guy. Trips can be in the thousands compared to a few hundred bucks.

[calm whale]

All of the people saying "cope" or "touch grass" are either trolls or don't understand that even if they personally think the complaints are minor, the sheer number of them is indicative of a clear disapproval of the update and will certainly lead to a loss of revenue for vrchat. Dissatisfied customers won't spend money on a product they dislike.

[vocal shard]

The update is good it literally is gonna make there be less client users and reduce the chances getting crashed. I've only ever been crashed by client crashers and never avi crashers since i use safety settings

[slate verge]

even vanilla vrchat has its own issues, having mods will just give malicious users with more power to mess with everyone else

[rugged agate]

Because people who are using mods casually have something to lose, and the griefers don't. Normal people want to keep their friends list, they just wanted to have a more comfortable experience.

Griefers will just hardware spoof and get the next EAC-patched client to continue harassing people because they find it fun. They know it's wrong, they know it'll get them banned, and they know how to circumvent it to keep doing what they've been doing.

[vocal shard]

sorry but wtf is a photon bot

EAC was obv gonna get bypassed by someone, but with it being tougher, it's gonna reduce the amount of people running around with clients

[timid hornet]

You're missing the point Einstein. This update. WILL NOT STOPP CRASHERS.

[runic zinc]

Literally

[void latch]

You're goddamn right

[slate verge]

you do know that OSC is a thing right? if people would be more smarter and actually dive into avatar creation, they'll learn more about the system in creating a more diversity way for disability people without the use of mods

[valid swallow]

VRC doing gods work. Please accept my server boost

[rugged agate]

I get the feeling they won't, because they saw what happened last time and that's why they're giving us 24 hours to accept it. The patch goes from Beta to Live tomorrow.

[vocal shard]

feeling so bad for tupper rn, had to stop friend requests and dms , can't imagine what he's going thru rn..

If i use 🍉 loader will i get banned

[torn shoal]

Bro's been doxxed lmao

[vocal shard]

ik it sucks all because of an actually good update that they pushed out

[neon spade]

After the update pushes yea

[timid hornet]

When they screw every single user and allow crashers to stay. They deserve it.

[ashen ember]

All of the mods rn trying to manage the chats 😅🥲😂

[vocal shard]

Aaaaaaaa all i wanted is for some avatars to be searches

[vocal shard]

i still don't agree w you , but the poor guy literally only announced it.. poor thing ;(

[cedar abyss]

People only see the negative sides as per usual

[rugged agate]

To clarify though, they aren't outright banning people for mod usage. They've said in the announcement that they'll disable your client until you delete the game and do a clean reinstall. Maybe they'll ban you if you keep trying, but being caught once doesn't seem to be an instant ban.

[void latch]

There's too many of us

[ashen ember]

LOLLLL

[vocal shard]

storm area vrchat, they can't delete us all

[valid swallow]

VRC doing gods work. Please accept my server boost

[vocal shard]

VRC is honestly doing gods work ^^

[rugged agate]

As it stands now, it seems like they're giving people a chance to remove their mods and firmly telling those who forget to do so, but they're not going to do a sweeping ban across the community. That would be a massive mistake because so many users use mods that their numbers would plummet.

[void latch]

VAC is less of a joke

[void flint]

giving people a chance 24 hours heads up 😂

[edgy anchor]

safety settings are more granular than that

[vocal shard]

@willow anvil pls change your name..

[rugged agate]

Likely, yes. If the solution now is to hide all avatars for newer users, that basically means your experience is going to be seeing lots of gray robot avatars unless they're friends or you allow some higher trust levels through.

[vocal shard]

this update is actually the best thing vrchat could have done, it's a godsend

[neon spade]

God forbid someone wants to see other people's avatars with full details and not have their game crash, truly an inconceivable reality for the vrchat devs

[vocal shard]

oh

[ashen ember]

Ok there is pros and cons to this situation that we alll know of. The good side no crashing eachother ripping peoples avatars or worlds so there isn’t drama. The bad side is like the small things in it people use it for like portable mirrors for the folks who are mirror dwellers to people not being able to use like there facial tracking or those vest. They’ll probably do an update soon for maybe some mods to be available just they are in beta to get rid of the bad ones. Then the goods may come back. My opinion

[runic zinc]

^^^^

[slate verge]

well thats why vrchat may hire smarter and genius people to give ways into better creation, not the ways of modding a game.

[vocal shard]

@covert chasm hope ur holding up Tupper

[rugged agate]

They said they want to implement more of the conveniences that people get via mods, but the problem is they have a very slow development cycle. Given their past, it could be several months, maybe a year, before those are added. These are simple fixes that should have been available long ago but they've ignored.

[wide cove]

i feel like this is a sign that vrchat is becoming less of a community-focused platform

[timid hornet]

This is literally a screw you to anyone with disability. So why are we still supporting this

[vocal shard]

people are upset about something they dont understand, repeating what they see, which is to be expected i cant blame them. if they actually leave then the game will be better for it, if they dont theyll forget about it in a week or so.

[spark ore]

XqcL

[neon spade]

"THIS UPDATE IS NOT THAT BAD" repeatedly spams the same message as bait, don't respond to them

[ashen ember]

I know but at least there trying :/

[broken birch]

Don't forget to leave a negative review for the game on steam

[fossil idol]

Clones are top tier

[maiden aspen]

Hmm so confused

[vocal shard]

Im using my alt to boost the server, they honestly deserve it. This update is super helpful

[ashen ember]

Wah

[slate verge]

you say that, but as a video game company, any video game company will improve their security system.

[neon spade]

^^^

[viscid egret]

I guess after a couple thousand hours dedicated to vrc... time to try neos vr

[vocal shard]

What is neos vr

[wide cove]

i think over time theyre appealing more and more to a younger primarily quest user audience who doesnt bother with mods and losing focus on some of their original community

[shell warren]

Destroying or removing fundamentally the thing the keeps PCVR / Standalone VR interesting is a mistake. This is a huge slap in the face to not only our mod community but also our HH and Deaf community and so many other that use mods to help them communicate and fully enjoy VR.

[topaz ravine]

Wait. So people with Quest won’t be able to use FullBody now?

[past willow]

They divide us by our Platform they Divide us by our tongues They Divide us men and Woman they divide us old and young But they’ll tremble at our voices when they here these verses sung for the Union makes us strong

[vocal shard]

Me and many more 🙂

[timid hornet]

^cap

[mild rivet]

i think too many people seeing this update in black and white!
there are certainly problems with EAC but also advantages

[rugged agate]

Look, I don't want to see the game fail because the alternatives honestly aren't very good. NEOS is too complicated, Chillout doesn't have the funding to compete, and Meta...

Anyway, this is why people are angry. This is a short-term solution that probably won't work. People don't see the value in this update and it feels like the solution is causing more damage than the problem they're addressing.

I know what they're trying for. They want to fix the crashing, they want to make it a safer place to be. I'm sure most of us want that. It would be GREAT to go into a public lobby and not have the game come to a grinding halt because some kid found a crasher avatar and wanted to be like their favorite youtuber.

[valid swallow]

I boosted lol

[ashen ember]

Don’t tell me that ;-; someone please say some to this

[rich prawn]

L game rip vrchat

[neon spade]

This update brought to you by the 3 apes on keyboards that work at vrchat rn

[hexed belfry]

This is cancer

[topaz ravine]

I just heard clients control the FBT for Quest. Shiiiiit. My friends are about to go back to being half bodies.

[past willow]

I mean to be quite fair it just seems like the devs are just trying to divide us on platform lines

[runic zinc]

oh god 💀

[vocal shard]

Vrchat is really starting to suck

[edgy anchor]

what creative freedom are you losing?

[valid swallow]

Poggers update

[vocal shard]

just realised?

[lime hare]

Okay, surely even if you DID have to implement anti-cheat you could have gone with literally anything other than kernel-level? It's invasive for invasiveness sake and adds no new protection - it's literally been cracked within 30 minutes by malicious parties

[vocal shard]

FR this update is a godsend

[coarse crane]

you pinged the wrong seiko :p

[past willow]

Like trying to get the quest people to scab for them while turning them against each other seems really stupid lol

[hidden raven]

I agree this helps a lot

[undone comet]

I love spyware put on my computer that does nothing to protect my games

[wide cove]

i suspect things will eventually move to another platform as vrchat transitions into a platform with less creative freedom, especially with a significant portion of the userbase being on Quest now, much larger than ever before

[vocal shard]

Nope

[idle wharf]

whoops

[slate verge]

well to be fair they have been working on security fixes over time, this is just a bigger update. Whether it messes with the deaf community or not, this is probably just collateral damage and unfortunate one at that. Gonna have to roll with it.

[sand beacon]

Bruh, I uploaded a video to Twitter simply talking about the EAC situation and it got flagged as sensitive somehow 💀

[hexed belfry]

This update will only make things worse, it just kills wholesome modders

[edgy anchor]

what creative freedom is being lost?

[timid hornet]

That's abelist as fuck

[vocal shard]

It also reduces unwholesome users 🙂

[neon spade]

Why are all the nitro boosters suck dickriders on god! !

[fleet pivot]

Can someone please help me I can’t turn on flick select on and I’ve search google and reddish and I can’t find anything there!!

[mild rivet]

it is a temporary solution to work with the modding community on implementations while still having a more improved security.

[runic zinc]

Keep saying that and see what good it does 💀🤓

[lime hare]

it literally doesn't, it was cracked within 30 minutes by malicious parties and parties that develop anti-crash aren't going to want to touch it

[vocal shard]

just checked general 1, still hell, this one's a lil more chill.

[rugged agate]

Because people are still responding to them and they're getting a kick out of trolling the people that are upset about this change.

[edgy anchor]

so because TOS breaking mods got removed for breaking TOS, they're going to remove creative freedom?

[neon spade]

Yea idk why people are still responding to them lmfao it's somr of the lowest quality bait shit ever. For example the post above by peas is basically saying that since "rules say itz bad, so it is clearly objectively bad!!!!" Like cmon man

[undone comet]

I'd rather they do something with their own codebase that fixes the problem than relying on outside sources that only break stuff that works

[lime hare]

what do people who like this update actually think it does?

it's already been cracked within half an hour by malicious teams, and benign teams who develop anti cheat, QoL, accessibility, etc. aren't gonna wanna touch it.

it leaves the accessibilty community stranded, has performance concerns, and makes people less safe on average, not more.

there's also a streisand effect to stricting up anticheat/anti-mods - this was seen in the GTA5 community, when things got clamped down on, malicious outsiders migrated to the community just to prove they could mess things up there too.

It's going to increase malicious activity, worsen the effect of it, and lessen the quality of the experience for benign/wholesome users

[placid karma]

RIP VR Chat

[distant sedge]

@lunar obsidian apagaram minha receita de bolo no general-1

[fast trench]

Carpet Bombing good and bad mos isn't such a good idea. This update has alot of negative consequences that outweigh the benefits. The Secured Instance is a good idea though

[hidden raven]

easy anti cheat isn't spyware it doesn't run unless you open a game thag needs it plus I have tested easy anti cheat there is nothing wrong with it

[runic zinc]

Exactly

[empty raven]

mó maldade issae

[blissful lake]

pse, eu ja tava indo pa cozinha fazer

[warm mason]

Eventually I still think that community drawing conclusions too early. Update is not even released and we already see a so damn big negative feedback.
Maybe we have to wait at least a week after releasing update? And only then we can say if that was good or not

[valid swallow]

Poggers update

[drifting shadow]

Yea Anti-Cheat i love playing a E sports chat room

[slate verge]

you're right, it was unavoidable because it uses modification. They shouldn't have use modification in the first place. Like i said again, some people from the other communities will have to step up and make a change if they really want to change people's play style or if it helps. Don't say that vrchat is removing features, because No they aren't. They have been listening and thats why we have Avatar Dynamics and even OSC now.

[lime hare]

please explain how you think the update helps, and see my above post for responses ahead of time

[earnest pendant]

Oh boy

[hexed belfry]

The beta is out and has been tested.

[timid hornet]

Yes because I don't believe in abelist behavior I should be banned

[opal carbon]

The Crashers are going at it now

[long finch]

question dont avatar rippers do so server side?

[lime hare]

what would be good

• legal action against malicious m*d teams
• implementation of patches and security/safety features modders have added (shader blacklists, event limits, bundle verification, avatar scrubbing, etc.)
• implement accessibility features

at the VERY least. that would improve the game tenfold without a lot of people even wanting m*ds

[rugged agate]

They're giving the community 24 hours to test this change before pushing it out to Live. There's no "testing" this out. They're forcing it to happen in such a short period that people can't react.

Besides, people already cracked the EAC with photon bots. The most this will do is slow the crashing down for a few days. By the weekend, you'll see it back in full force as malicious modders release their EAC-patched clients.

[timid hornet]

My bad

[warm mason]

And how do you know? The creator of mod said? Everything that I can see now is people's just like parrots without personal opinion

[edgy anchor]

they were not part of the game.

[lime hare]

this is personal opinion my dude. the facts are there and we're interpreting them. this update doesn't deter crashers. it rewards them

[vocal shard]

All you guys are probably quest kiddies honestly, this update will greatly help vrchat and reduce the amount of client users on the game, if you're scared about avatar crashers, just learn to use safety settings. and for the people crying about disabilities and not being able to play without mods, just play Neos or CVR 😎

[valid swallow]

Pc user via airlink here

[distant wolf]

L update

[void latch]

Quest kiddies wouldn't be complaining about this

[cedar sentinel]

kinda a phat L

[slate verge]

you are supposed to use what you are given, Not mods. You are mislead into using mods by people who don't even like vrchat. 100% go ask them if they like vrchat, they'll say no. You are supposed to become an aspiring creator and come up with some thing new. You're not supposed to use mods. Thats not how life work.

[bronze canyon]

kinda a phat L

[undone comet]

They're just going to add back in accessibility and mod features into VRC plus, that's the endgame

[next nest]

Anti-Cheat Update hmm seems fucked up

[lime hare]

how will it reduce the amount of client users?

also, really incredibly hateful to tell disabled people to just go away

and safety settings don't do anything for a lot of popular crash methods

[warm mason]

...that prohibited in VRChat rules?

[valid swallow]

Poggers update. Based VRChat. #vrchatisgreatagain

[hidden raven]

yeah the people who act 4 and like to crash people can get banned now

[undone comet]

Yea

[earnest pendant]

Wow those reviews

[cinder imp]

Yep

[void latch]

More like a few hours

[broken birch]

Don't forget to leave a negative review for the game on steam

[dull vapor]

Cause the devs dont care about the community at all

[slate verge]

you are supposed to do it via a website called canny, not complaining in spams

[next nest]

Uninstall VRCHAT RN

[vocal shard]

Never been crashed using safety by a avatar crasher + It'll reduce client users because it can still be bypassed but it's tougher + disabled people can def go play neos or cvr lmfao

[rugged agate]

If you want a direct answer, it's because this doesn't address the exploits. It's a bandaid solution.

It won't solve the avatar crasher problem because that gets uploaded through Unity and stored on their servers. They can't possibly process all of that data to try and detect bad avatars and they haven't modified the game to prevent that.

It won't stop malicious clients because malicious modders simply patch the EAC and bypass it. EAC's notoriously bad at securing games and VRChat doesn't have the manpower to keep up.

It won't stop avatar rippers because they can just pull your avatar data from their cache. If they see you and download your avatar, it's already theirs. It just requires decryption and tools exist for that already.

So what does this protect us from? We still can't enjoy public lobbies safely and it'll at most cause a brief dip in crasher activity.

[simple venture]

The pedophiles are still here and now I can’t use anti crashers

[worthy helm]

yall are aware clients were always banned right?

[slate verge]

i disagree, people who uses mods are Not creators. You can fight me all you want, but you are not a True creator in this sense. Don't get me started on the types of people who you get yourself involved. Not everyone is innocent.

[nimble rampart]

y'all

[toxic portal]

are people still going on about this? istg these people...

[cedar abyss]

I hope people realize that their great reviews on Steam can be removed with one message from VRC to Steam as long as they can reason it

[mild rivet]

^

[valid swallow]

Poggers update. Based VRChat. #vrchatisgreatagain

[long finch]

Quality of life mods that add NEEDED features to the game is what im sad of loseing

[vocal shard]

cope, you're mad with this amazing update. #vrchatisgreatagain

[edgy anchor]

disabled people can def go play neos or cvr lmfao

I definitely dont agree with this. accessibility for disabled individuals should be VRC's main priority for features after this mod ban.

[lime hare]

have been crashed with maximum safety + it wont do anything to reduce client users since it only has to be automated by the client creators, meaning client users wont have any tougher time doing things + if you think disabled people shouldn't play vrchat, you are an actively awful person

[simple venture]

Listen I just wanna be led around with wholesome loader cause I’m too lazy to move now I can’t

[honest cove]

People aont upset cause they use them to crash they use it for quality of life rhat vrc doesn't add like optimisations to increase frame rates or for anti crashers or simple ui changes for colours or even limb grabbers to have fun with people , camera mods to improve online content and mods to make life easier for deaf users its dumb to try blocks mods and call it quality of life when they won't even make the game accessible or listen to their community

[mossy herald]

just lose all your friends LMAO

[slate verge]

exactly what i implied. They are not true creators. As long as you touch mods, you're a bad guy.

[worthy helm]

bruh on god, find god

[torn shoal]

That's a bit of a stinky take ngl

[mossy herald]

maybe malls should remove ramps so peeps in wheelchairs can go to more accommodating places like neovr and chilloutvr

[simple venture]

Tried 👍

[severe oriole]

you play genshin shut up

[edgy anchor]

reminds me of that "boycott call of duty" picture from like 2004 where everyone in the group is playing call of duty

[celest gull]

What’s going on??

[nimble rampart]

VRC is rec room 2.0

[slate verge]

no it isn't. Its just how it is.

[hidden raven]

yessssss

[knotty venture]

Agreed

[honest cove]

Banning of mods as a qol

[vocal shard]

thats a L if you've been crashed with max safety, I never have 😎 + it will reduce client users, as it's harder to bypass now + never said disabled people cant play vrchat but if this update hurts them that bad inside, then they can play a diff game that's better for them.

[next nest]

That is true

[hexed belfry]

Bye bye wholesome mods

[cedar abyss]

That is what I remembered looking at the numbers under VRCBot xD

[simple venture]

If you create something people use you’re a creator that’s just basic knowledge.

[torn shoal]

Yes it is. You genuinely think it removes all merit from someone even if no harm was ever done?

[celest gull]

WHAT THE HECK also what’s qol

[tame dagger]

quality of life

[pastel adder]

Quality of life

[honest cove]

"Quality of life" in this case is bull

[vocal shard]

Overall, this is a great update. I hope this update prevents these cheaters from ruining my VRChat experience. 👍 Keep it up devs

[next nest]

Just imagine adding an Anti-Cheat in a shitty game, just Imagine

[valid swallow]

Poggers update. Based VRChat. #vrchatisgreatagain

[runic zinc]

🤓

[mild rivet]

while i can agree that the quoted statement is questionable, i can also see only little usage of mods in the accessibility that can’t be circumvented with already existing features. (VRC Sign, etc)

[slate verge]

thats not what i think. It is how the rules are interpreted and even good people misinterpret it.

[lucid mountain]

pineapple doesnt belong on pizza

[jaunty saddle]

Love how anti cheat just defeats mods that helps the game run smooth for fbt or even quest users, mods that make the game more fun. But....

Does nothing about ripping avatars, crashers, hackers, ect

[vocal shard]

die

[torn shoal]

I get that the rules say "no mods" but saying that people aren't creators if they touch em at all is a bit harsh, don't ya think?

[blazing fulcrum]

Yeah screw deaf/disabled people lol also how do u cheat at vrchat xD. Educate yourself before you post

[hidden raven]

I agree 👍

[vocal shard]

I see nothing wrong with this update, banning cheaters from participating in the game as intended is nothing but a positive. 🙏

[fervent hedge]

how long till the update ??

[odd moon]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-crying-sad-gif-17901663

[lime hare]

it wont prevent cheaters doing anything

[worthy helm]

less than 24 hours

[unborn cove]

You know what? How exactly, and I mean, Exactly, have they been ruining specifically your experience, I’d love to know

[nimble rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-herrington-dotman3-gif-18657921

[runic zinc]

Underrated

[slate verge]

nope, i stand by that. If you are a true creator, you will have no need for mods or addons. You use what you are given and study how the tools works without the use of any other additional programs.

[scarlet hornet]

time

[torn shoal]

You are a fucking moron then

[next nest]

why do you say that, it's like you want people to crash others, man I didn't realize it now but VRChat Devs is planning things with the crashers instead of getting rid of them

[silk iris]

Props for the moderators trying to filter this chat.
At the current state VR doesn't work on Linux with EAC. I hope they will at least delay EAC until the several issues are fixed that people have pointed out.

[valid swallow]

Much needed update

[jaunty saddle]

Love how anti cheat just defeats mods that helps the game run smooth for fbt or even quest users, mods that make the game more fun. But....

Does nothing about ripping avatars, crashers, hackers, ect

[blazing fulcrum]

Bro u should be a comedian lol this update wont stop people who crash ur game

[lucid mountain]

never

[simple venture]

this bad update still doesn’t fix the amount of pedophiles

[fervent hedge]

imma cry

[vocal shard]

I'm glad this update is forcing cheaters to play fairly!! Thank you devs!! 😄

[fast trench]

well made that in less than a day of the beta being announce, its already broken.

[slate verge]

now you're just attacking me for differentiating the difference between a true creator and a false creator. You probably aren't even a creator so why does this bothers you?

[mild rivet]

i agree with that, as a creator for sign language tools on avatars i always try to create user friendly non modded avatar features that help with accessibility etc.

[strange canyon]

"EAC bad idea, im not recommned this game" - by vrchat player playing for 8.000 hours

[rugged agate]

People trying to argue what a "true" creator are what stifle creativity. There's no honor in doing things the hard way unless you're seeking approval for having done it the hard way. This is why artists struggle, because people are convinced any sort of shortcut is "cheating" and therefore they're invalid for using them.

[jaunty saddle]

Love how anti cheat just defeats mods that helps the game run smooth for fbt or even quest users, mods that make the game more fun. But....

Does nothing about ripping avatars, crashers, hackers, ect.

[torn shoal]

I'm attacking your absolutely braindead take. Also, I have made a few avatars thank you very much

[celest gull]

That’s bull shi vrc provides little to no quality of life

[vocal shard]

If it's not vanilla then don't use it. 😄 Silly cheaters

[unborn wasp]

just cancelled VRC + subscription

[valid swallow]

VRChat is based

[fervent hedge]

i love how the server is on fire

[next nest]

GReat IDEA

[vocal shard]

same uwu

[timid hornet]

If we all cancelled vrc+ and got off the game for a few days they'd actually listen

[runic zinc]

“Silly cheaters” 🤓🤓

[sharp girder]

asking vrchat users to get off vrchat, good luck

[dull vapor]

Spoken by someone who has the pleasure of not needing any type of modification to ENHANCE the playability and smoothness of the game itself (that devs dont fix)

[jaunty saddle]

Love how anti cheat just defeats mods that helps the game run smooth for fbt or even quest users, mods that make the game more fun. But....

Does nothing about ripping avatars, crashers, hackers, ect

[vocal shard]

🙏 Don't listen to these haters, you guys did a great update. Hopefully this will stop people from using 3rd party clients and cheating

[next nest]

Doesn't that mean you can use your play space mover anymore in vrchat, that is stupid as fuck

[slate verge]

Thank You Saiko, and for this you have inspire more folks to use the tools given for you and discovers much more into using it.

@rugged agate yes, any shortcuts are invalided because there is no shortcuts in reality. Even by just using a small portion of mods will thus destroy your ability or skills in becoming a true creator.

@torn shoal Few avatars won't cut it if you don't follow the rules. Aka very poor performance will lag your friends. Become smarter and make them optimized.

[fervent hedge]

u're so dense cheating what ?

[vocal drift]

Check my status 👀

[hexed belfry]

Worst bait all day

[worldly locust]

lol

[timid hornet]

This part right here

[finite marlin]

L BOZO game just lost so many users BAHAHAHHAHA

[reef bramble]

yo can you guys use vpn's on vrchat still? I have no idea why my friends having problems.

[simple venture]

I feel like there’s a difference between cheating and modding. Cheating implies getting something unfairly or getting an advantage over another. But modding for your own personal benefit that doesn’t harm others is different. Calling people with one or two mods that don’t harm you cheaters isn’t really true

[viscid ravine]

Literally. There ain't no way the vrc admins don't use mods

[valid swallow]

Imagine canceling your VRC+ because you like to ruin other people fun

[edgy anchor]

boycott call of duty we want dedicated servers

[vocal shard]

It doesn't matter what updates they put out tbh, you social shakers will keep coming back because you can't operate in a public environment. 🙏

[fading bough]

..pff

[lapis root]

How exactly does one socialise unfairly?

[mild rivet]

It’s interesting to see the huge amount of the toxicity in this server (on both sides) like are most of you still in middle school or what?

[fervent hedge]

stopping mods wont stop the crasher take the L

[torn shoal]

That's the same problem you see with lots of console players. They read the word "mod" on PC and immediately assume cheating when in reality it's a skyrim outfit or some shit

[blazing fulcrum]

🤣

[pastel adder]

No way y'all actually believe this is going to be good for vrchat. It won't help.. it's making a lot of people hate it already AND it's just useless... I just got full body and it hasn't been two days.. I won't be able to enjoy the game or my full body... Good job vrchat.. making your game worse than good... Sorry if y'all devs don't like it, but there are so many who are making an uproar already. Take the hint. Cancel it. Actually take steps into making your game better. And not just rely on bull-. Make an apology and actually make your game safe because this. It isn't going to.

[strange canyon]

I love the VRCHAT community. Instead of waiting and seeing the results prefer to defend the leash mod on the web girlfriend

[edgy anchor]

nothing will stop crashers, ever, you can only make it harder

[simple venture]

It seems like it. Or just making it harder to mod. They aren’t actually fixing the core issues, actual malicious clients and pedophiles

[slate verge]

there is an actual difference between cheating and modding yes, thats why the vrchat team communicated with those mod creators awhile back into what we now have Avatar Dynamics and OSC. So you can't say that vrchat did their portion of helping the community.

[fervent hedge]

yes with anti crash mods

[torn shoal]

Agreed, people need to chill more but some takes here are just braindead and you have to call em out

[viscid ravine]

They didn't remove mods. They may of removed easy access ones but the ones that actually do harm to set ups will easily get passed this. I've already seen a few blue screen mods get passed it

[fiery token]

If anything they made it worse for crashers to screw people over. As in more bad things. Lol

[viscid egret]

neos vr has a much more developed ui and system than cvr does -,-

[prime rampart]

Removing the ability to have quality of life mods, whether they are to make the game more comfortable, or perhaps they are to assist with a disability, you are taking away something that people need in order to function on VRChat. You are taking away things you REFUSE to implement in your own game because you either don't have the ability to create them yourself, or you just find joy in ruining the lives of people who spend hundreds of hours in your game. I think you need to look at the people who are dedicated to you, and think about whether or not you really want them there anymore. With other platforms like NeosVR and ChillOut VR, there are other options out there. Yeah, it'll take time for everyone to move, but at least on those platforms, the devs listen to their fans. And allow them to make quality of life mods to their games that allow their players to enjoy themselves. Think about what you're doing...

[edgy anchor]

they dont always work

[lean pulsar]

ello

[simple venture]

But correct me if I’m wrong you were going on about how mods make you bad.

[slate verge]

you'd think that people would actually dive into Udon and Avatar OSC stuff so that everyone else can find a breakthrough in discovering and making unique avatars in vrchat for better communication.

[fervent hedge]

this "fix" wont work either

[valid swallow]

Imagine canceling your VRC+ because you like to ruin other people fun

[torn shoal]

The UI in Neos is absolute complicated dogshit tho from what I remember. Nearly unusable on a headset.

[jaunty saddle]

Love how anti cheat just defeats mods that helps the game run smooth for fbt or even quest users, mods that make the game more fun. But....

Does nothing about ripping avatars, crashers, hackers, ect

[mild rivet]

but exactly this view on the situation supports further toxicity

[vocal shard]

The petition won't prevent progress 🙏

[versed pivot]

They're not going to change anything. I'm betting you they're going to stick with this.

[edgy anchor]

nothing will, like it said. it will only make it harder.

[torn shoal]

I mean, have you seen the takes in here? Shit's unreal

[vocal drift]

Never let a good disaster go to waste

[simple venture]

I’ll sign

[narrow yew]

update buns

[slate verge]

yes, mods will make you look bad no matter how good or beneficial it is. This is because you are using a shortcut in everything you do. Its like i gave you an Apple(as vrchat) and you used a Knife to cut the apple so you can eat it.

[vocal shard]

This update is honestly good, It'll help the game out a lot with limiting client users, I'm all for it, anyone who thinks otherwise and dm me but those complaining, just go play Neos or CVR

[low saffron]

welcome to the warzone that has been happening for the past 7 hours

[lean pulsar]

oh

[tribal moon]

We need anti-cheat because VRC is a hyper competitive platform where we fight for friend requests and to drink more in drinking lobbies. Thanks for removing the ability to cheat in my favorite competitive game.

[frigid peak]

People have already with udon based avatar keyboards.

[versed pivot]

"The 7 hour war"

This isn't half life lol

[valid swallow]

VRChat is based

[simple venture]

But using a knife is ok. That logic is weird dude

[torn shoal]

The fuck does this even mean. This is the worst analogy I have ever heard. A knife is a tool you dimwit, it was DESIGNED to make things easier.

[mild rivet]

i mean a lot of people are!

[honest valley]

not yet

[vocal shard]

Nice to see y'all take 30 minutes out of your extremely busy day of cyber fucking eachother in 3d rendered dog costumes only to cry about an update that will effect the smallest % of degenerates on a fake reality. 🙏 You should all be proud.

[blazing fulcrum]

Lmfao what, that analogy is awful

[vocal shard]

f

[low saffron]

announcement went out 7 hours ago about the beta for it and things spiraled since then

[rancid lantern]

not good obv

[slate verge]

exactly, so why aren't people getting into those udon based keyboards then? you tell me.

@torn shoal A knife is consider a mod in your hand in this perspective you dimwit.

[mellow rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/bubsy-meme-explosion-3d-gif-15828100

[simple venture]

People use knifes to cut apples all the time. It’s a normal thing and it’s not bad so then saying that is weird

[versed pivot]

Yes, and I had a good chuckle over it.

[rugged agate]

Just stop responding to Fooni. They're only going to argue that mods are bad and that no one should be taking shortcuts, as if we all had the privilege of time and ability to do things "the hard way" and that "the hard way" is praise-worthy in itself.

All that say is they'd rather see fewer people create, because people who are unwilling or unable to do it "the hard way" can't be creators.

[blazing fulcrum]

This, exactly

[valid swallow]

W update

[torn shoal]

Look up the definition of tool and knife and come back to me why your analogy was shit

[versed shuttle]

F

[runic zinc]

🤓🤓

[mild rivet]

yes very extreme opinions. tho for me it looks like the ani-vrc side tends to be way overboard with some of their statements and arguments.

[vocal shard]

People are very angry rn lol

[timid mural]

i love super mario

[empty agate]

Imaging timing people out longer for saying "F".

[slate verge]

exactly what i said. You can't get experience if you do nothing.

[fiery token]

Damn general 1 being go crazy rn lmao

[low saffron]

which are you referring to?

[magic minnow]

amazing lmao

[versed pivot]

I can't wait to see the aftermath of this several days down the line, will be interesting to watch

[vocal shard]

This update is super helpful and for all the people that are complaining about it, just go and play Neos or cvr lol

[edgy anchor]

yes i fully expect them to make it harder for people to break TOS, and so should everyone. they aren't removing any creative ability and honestly most creators are probably ecstatic that they wont have to deal with as many client users.

[torn shoal]

That is very true, some people pushed it way to far with actual threats and doxxing etc.

[vocal shard]

Mfs care more about being able to carry a fake mirror around than they care about actual world issues. 🤣 🤡

[pure owl]

i for one love this new update, ive always wanted less protection from pedos online

[ionic pawn]

Chillout VR here I come

[runic zinc]

F

[sharp barn]

f

[brisk herald]

I don't even use mods to take shortcuts. I use them specifically for creating unlimited avatar slots, and for adjusting for height deviation in worlds. Ohhh the horrors!!!!

[lusty fossil]

Invade

[long finch]

Esports VRC cant be having any cheaters m8

[versed shuttle]

F

[fiery token]

Honestly it’s funny af 😂😂

[valid swallow]

Chad VRC devs

[rare thunder]

Pretty sure they don't allow mods on chillout

[sinful lagoon]

This isn't a security update, it's a "we're too scared of people doing our job better then us" update

[empty agate]

I agree LMAO.

[slate verge]

Thats why you become a creator and create your own unique avatars weirdo. By having unlimited avatar slots you are hogging the storage gigabyte so you're a dick for doing that.

[glossy thunder]

This is obviously a trolling child don't feed it lmao

[versed pivot]

It's funny watching mods do damage control, this entire thing is hilarious to watch. It's the biggest circus show I've seen online

[mild oriole]

f

[teal grotto]

☕

[errant folio]

F

[brisk herald]

Real question is if they give a fuck.

[valid swallow]

W devs

[royal wharf]

F

[placid karma]

🇫

[fiery token]

I just saw that 😂😂😂, people just be spamming F so they upped that bitched.

[hexed belfry]

Yeah :/

[merry peak]

so is anti-crash getting added to vrc+ now or? When is the better camera dlc getting released?

[torn shoal]

THE STORAGE GIGABYTE. Damn, you got me good with that bait. If it isn't, please go sleep, it's clearly past your bedtime

[runic zinc]

F

[sinful lagoon]

Here's hoping we actually get a response from the developers and this isn't all for granted

[vocal shard]

f

[prime marsh]

At least they're aware and letting us know about the situation instead of implementing the change without notice.

[cunning bobcat]

t

[peak pewter]

F

[bold stream]

L

[magic minnow]

5 mintue slowmode on general 1 lmao, copism

[empty agate]

Not for me?

[proven minnow]

lol better camera??? Probably like another couple of years

[slate verge]

Someone here doesn't know how avatars are stored. Maybe you should look into how an online game works.

[cedar mortar]

F

[brisk herald]

You don't know o shit about how the added storage works. The added slots are not stored on VRChats servers

[acoustic nymph]

Typical Hazbin Hotel fan

[zinc venture]

https://tenor.com/view/yh-gif-25406060

[half cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[hexed belfry]

Don't have control over that

[torn shoal]

There is no thing called a "Storage gigabyte". I literally work in IT, don't try to teach the teacher

[fossil stag]

f

[fiery token]

Nah I doubt it, people are having conversations and sharing their opinions. Gen chat 1 is literally just spamming the f and L.

[rancid lantern]

Ron silently watching the chat as his playerbase goes down in flames

[runic zinc]

Facts

[rugged agate]

They are, however, removing conveniences for creators, meaning there will be fewer world creators. It's hard enough as it is to build worlds, now they can't even debug them as effectively.

[prime marsh]

Idk either. I just joined the server now to keepnup with all of this

[valid swallow]

Poggers devs. Y’all hiring?

[wooden star]

Hello

[versed pivot]

They're not gonna respond to this, they'll probably sweep all of this under the rug like nothing happened during the past several hours.

I bet you there's probably a big channel working on a video that'll bring more attention to the public about all of this tomfoolery and will cause even more backlash.

[odd moon]

its probably going to only be questies after this update goes live :/

[silver hatch]

We banning mod in 24 hours, that's doing it out of nowhere

[coral storm]

ayone valorant?

[acoustic wren]

F

[haughty cedar]

val

[acoustic nymph]

Hopefully they don't hire whatever cringe you are

[edgy anchor]

what ones are they removing for world creators? i make worlds, haven't seen anything that makes it a negative experience for me, only better.

[sage wharf]

F

[teal grotto]

I cant believe how dumb vrchat devs are

[hexed belfry]

They hate their community

[maiden canyon]

Cringe cool down

[hidden flame]

slowmode go brrr

[odd hollow]

Imagine being as cringe as the devs rn

[prime marsh]

Better than doing it without context, like how Roblox makes changes

[latent island]

devs arent hiring they just robots, listen to us itsnt gonna solve anything because woof woof people love money and devs dont care

[peak pewter]

Lots of mods are used to debug world's

[valid swallow]

Ayo VRChat? You hiring?

[mild rivet]

i agree there are some really useful mods, but on the other hand it doesn’t change that they’re modded which is against the tos, so actually complaining that vrchat is actually doing something to enforce their rules shouldn’t be something to complain about (no matter if it’s the actual right thing to start with)

[magic minnow]

are they really lmao

[nova yacht]

why is the change.org link blacklisted? is freedom to protest not a thing here?

[teal grotto]

Let gen one to know to move here

[silver hatch]

I'm thankful now for the amazing devs, thanks for your comment

[fiery token]

I mean personally I don’t have vrc plus so I don’t give them money, but I do think it’s kinda whack. See I think it would have been ok if they implemented mods into the game from these clients, like they said they are doing later. But instead they went around it backwards, and so it kinda just screws everything up. And who knows when those other features would be implemented from mods.

[latent island]

https://tenor.com/view/kane-tiberium-gif-22119534

[valid swallow]

Oh no i cosplay what ever shall I do

[placid karma]

🇫

[steady grove]

Finding avatars is part of the problem. It’s a breach of security, some avatars are named specifically so that they can be given or sold without the intent of mass cloning

[rugged agate]

I'm not a world creator but I can make a few guesses. Flight and no-clip to make sure their map looks good in-game. Flight-only to test boundary walls, to make sure scripts fire appropriately. Testing those tools to make sure their Udon scripts are resilient and will do what is expected, like how Freeze Tag prevents playspace movers from repositioning on the map.

[mild rivet]

you not wanna be able to read the chat or what?

[versed pivot]

surprised they haven't done that sooner.

[chilly ibex]

L vrchat

[half cosmos]

vrchat is my favorite game

[torpid wharf]

🗿

[vocal drift]

pretty much

[gritty pendant]

they dont like fun, what the really like is kissing questies\children's feet, damn pedos

[plain bramble]

It's almost as if VRChat should implement better creator tools for this reason. ChilloutVR already has ways to do this without making avatars public

[hexed belfry]

Ew

[valid swallow]

Poggers VRChat.

[latent thicket]

ChilloutVR is pretty nice

[fringe lily]

L

[narrow tree]

L

[latent island]

maaaaan i hate the vrc community as a whole, at least theres resonable people,

[chilly folio]

Y

[neat mist]

🤷‍♂️

[peak pewter]

Should do that before the break the existing ones

[slate scroll]

tru

[fervent quarry]

happens

[torn shoal]

And now Jamie said something on the matter and is getting dogpiled which is concerning

[dry flare]

https://tenor.com/view/monki-flip-monkey-monkey-flip-gif-18319480

[prime marsh]

I don't even play VR Chat. I saw the trend on Twitter and decided to check it out.

[twin atlas]

L update

[acoustic nymph]

I am currently hitting the griddy for Ukraine

[viral olive]

at this point can we just get a shop update to vrchats interface ☕

[dim cosmos]

#removeEAC

[fiery token]

Very true lmao, I mean if you go in the game half the people don’t know how to have basic conversations.

[upbeat bear]

mods made vrchat what it is today, jesus. this was handled terribly and a terrible way to handle crashing

[hexed belfry]

That is such cap, this update is horrible tho

[runic zinc]

L update

[versed pivot]

You can't control an angry mob. They'll be mad until something is properly done or they're forcefully silenced.

[latent thicket]

next thing you know theyre going to add a battlepass to VRC 🤦‍♂️

[sage arrow]

bro who trying hang

[tacit tangle]

Bababooey

[valid swallow]

Imagine doxxing a dev because you don’t agree with something

[latent island]

eveeryone keeps doing the hanky panky like lmao

[rich prawn]

[acoustic nymph]

Typical Hazbin Hotel fan 💀

[tight flax]

lmao

[wise prawn]

This update be steaming garbage,rip to anyone physically impared who used those mods to help themselves navigate the game better :/

[prime marsh]

As much as I don't like that, I'm not too surprised, considering how the people who overturned Woe vs. Wade got doxxed.

[peak pewter]

Amazing how

[hexed belfry]

Social investment exists

[worldly locust]

This vrchat update goes up: everyone moves to rec room

[fiery token]

Yea I mean a lot of people will def stop playing, they will lose money. And who knows if they will even care at this point. I think what’s more sad is that the communities that were made in this game are gonna suffer big time, especially if a lot of people leave.

[timid hornet]

So they deleted messages but don't address the issues

[muted badge]

i'll have all the fun i want no matter what you say

[upbeat bear]

disabled, deaf, HoH, epileptic people and more don’t deserve to be pushed to a seperate game because of the devs. it’s wrong.

[latent thicket]

'reb' and 'based vrchat' really kissing the devs boots 🤡

[versed pivot]

can't wait for a video to come out on this matter going into a deep dive

[edgy anchor]

boycott call of duty we want dedicated servers

[half cosmos]

dude these people here are dramatic

[prime marsh]

At least they're aware of the situation. They literally mentioned on their article that stuff takes years to implement.

[sage arrow]

Who's trying to hang out?

[runic zinc]

Literally 💀

[valid swallow]

W devs

[teal grotto]

lol this shits funny

[mild rivet]

you don’t need mods to do VR-sign

[wise prawn]

Nah the devs are idiots

[dull vapor]

there is a petition, but they keep deleting the links too it. so thats not very fair of them

[fiery token]

Oh yea of course, I mean I am not a game developer but I know for sure features take a long time to implement, they just went around this backwards so it kinda unsettles things.

[dim cosmos]

#removeEAC

[dusty ocean]

Dm it please!

[odd moon]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-joji-know-your-fucking-place-trash-gif-16032216

[sage arrow]

yes

[valid swallow]

pog eac. POG update

[upbeat bear]

not everybody knows VR-ASL. a large chunk of helping hands is learning, and deaf people use a captions mod to know what non-signers are saying. there’s also mods that translate deaf peoples signs to show to other people. also what about epileptic?

[chilly folio]

Rec room?

[runic zinc]

Just like the Nitro boosters 💀

[worldly locust]

Everyone is going to play recroom now

[half cosmos]

vrchat creators do be careful

[wise prawn]

Boot licker detected 🤖

[latent island]

staaaay mad ya mf just have your damn peace, just take it up the ass and accept you screwed up vrc, just admit it

[muted plank]

Came here bc I’m not. Entirely sure whats going on? Can someone explain???

[ionic osprey]

xbox liiiiiiive

[sage arrow]

sure

[sage quartz]

why dont the vrc team just simply put a announcement out and have a community vote? that would solve most of this drama

[chilly folio]

@dim cosmos @covert chasm be friends

[valid swallow]

POG update

[empty agate]

If you are on VRC get off now, your account may get hacked as VRC servers are being attacked as we speak because of this update, people are not happy!!

[half cosmos]

no keep vrchat plus

[wise prawn]

Like stated,their morons

[runic zinc]

L’s are big spammed in #vrchat-general-1 💀💀

[topaz meadow]

L

[vocal drift]

Aaaaaa rip

[dull vapor]

Dm for petition link

[upbeat bear]

vrchat is putting EAC into beta. easy anti cheat. this will get rid of mods. many mods reduce crashes for people and a lot of others help accomodate disabilities. this will lead to more harm than it will help and is a horrible decision.

[versed pivot]

no idea

[rotund finch]

Good general one is legit a riot

[tardy crystal]

You being serious?

[jovial heath]

Ngl This update is a problem i do feel bad for a lot of Vrchat creators and users But honestly if people wasn’t crashing how they were this wouldn’t be happening They should keep the safe mods tho petty for this one

[muted plank]

Thats awful :-[

[peak pewter]

The security update does nothing for security and removes tons of functionality that the devs could have implemented but chose not to

[sage quartz]

your just toxic about it, being toxic does not help the situation dude.

[quick pasture]

Hello welcome to McDonald’s what would you like

[valid swallow]

W vr devs

[half cosmos]

W

[edgy anchor]

this is now a mcdonalds

[worldly locust]

Vrc is dying now

[dim cosmos]

im not being friends with a dumb dev

[upbeat bear]

i know! so many people have cancelled their vrchat+, stopped logging in and given bad reviews. hopefully they actually listen to us.

[vocal shard]

How do I know if anything is broken by my quest 2 or the controller

[wise prawn]

Tell that to the physically disabled people who used the mods to navigate the game better who are now forced to struggle more than necessary 🤡

[rotund finch]

I just want to see the thought processes they went through for this update

[tardy crystal]

I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda

[wild steppe]

👍

[hexed belfry]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VbiUTjJKBhE?feature=share

[placid karma]

🇱

[timid hornet]

L

[jovial heath]

Ik quest users happy rn pc players done fighting for they life

[languid forge]

L

[magic minnow]

L

[muted badge]

get pranked

[valid swallow]

VPN on vrc ftw POG update

[muted plank]

As someone disabled and has many friends who play vrc who are disabled this is literally terrible :-[[ Ik my brother is super upset and has really just stopped using socials as a whole since this happened which is why I stopped by to get the scoop

[native rivet]

L

[dim cosmos]

actually nvm cause maybe i could tell him to remove the update

[quick pasture]

No they are coming to general 2

[sage quartz]

🤦🏻‍♂️ wow, could not think a human could be so stupid ||Grimm||. Legit you guys are going baout this the wrong way, there is no point in causing even more drama and trouble for the VRC team and moderator's. Sure the update is... Irrational but there are SEVERAL different ways you can go about this...

[fickle willow]

We love slowmode

[rotund finch]

This is the maddest I’ve seen a community in awhile

[mild rivet]

well helping hands is trying to approach this by giving people the recourses to learn the language to communicate. (about epileptic people i can’t really say anything as i have little to no idea on how to deal with accessibility regarding this problem) also for tools, osc as well as avatars dynamics creates lots of possibilities to improve communication without knowing sign (keyboards, tts, etc)

[lost prairie]

L

[valid swallow]

VPN on vrc ftw POG update

[hexed belfry]

A guy explains why update is bad from a creators perspective https://youtube.com/shorts/VbiUTjJKBhE?feature=share

[vocal shard]

Delete AntiCheat System unsub from VRCHAT Plus

[quick pasture]

HOL Up WHATT bro,,

[lilac oak]

W

[errant folio]

F

[meager trench]

"Easy Anti-cheat" being used is a good enough reason. it's a garbage anti-cheat that barely works.

[timid hornet]

Imagine not listening to your community.

[dire sleet]

Vrchat removed all mods. Including anti crash and those that helped disabled people communicated and such

[vocal shard]

chicken nuggies

[grave fog]

E

[native rivet]

A

[wanton canopy]

I have the petition message me

[sage quartz]

dude, legit read my last message

[rotund finch]

So the community is now in a riot

[hexed belfry]

This

[valid swallow]

VPN on vrc ftw POG update

[terse heath]

☕

[latent island]

☕

[wise prawn]

Nah man,mam, devs do not care about community at all,I feel bad for their discord mods and anyone else who told them the update was a bad idea,yet here we are,also being an ass doesn't really help either

[empty agate]

This

[jovial heath]

Quest users enjoy life rn while Pc users going crazy shi- crazy

[mild rivet]

0/

[teal grotto]

☕

[regal spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/youtube-twitch-meme-chair-office-gif-19928140

[upbeat bear]

people won’t learn sign just because deaf people are in the game, mods like this allowed them to be apart of the conversation. and epileptic people have no way around this. they said they’d introduce things to be more accessible, but putting the anti cheat before those things is a horrible way to go about this. they didn’t plan this through or even think about it deeper at all

[mild pagoda]

👀 ☕

[dire sleet]

@dark sand yes I’m dead serious….. they removed every single mod…. My mute friend is gonna have a hard time now

[sand beacon]

[ionic osprey]

Idr care about this eas thing but earlier today i ate these mcodnalds chicken nuggets they we’re really good!!!!!

[sage quartz]

LOL you legit came at me, dont play that game with me

[latent island]

"you get what you fucking deserved!"

[cedar mortar]

F

[chilly folio]

Quest users:let’s play some vrchat Pc users:fuck me

[vocal shard]

nuggies are 10/10

[valid swallow]

POG update

[vocal shard]

I really feel for the nitro server boosters rn

[terse heath]

☕ ☑️

[lost prairie]

So y’all take away our mods and now we can’t even protect ourselves from this Biggest Hacking that is happening in history because y’all taking our stuff away

[empty agate]

Right 💀

[slow pawn]

you can tell the people supporting this new update are toxic and trolls who more than likely know that their more malicious clients will still work and nobody will have protection against them anymore, you know your updates bad when the likes or 4channers think its a good idea

[lofty hedge]

finna go back to being a 4 limbed man on rec room

[runic zinc]

ong

[quartz pagoda]

As someone who is hard of hearing, this is bad to me, itll be awkward to ask people to repeat themselves because i cant hear them well and dont have closed captions

I feel like the devs dont care about people like me

[sand beacon]

I spent over $2,000 to sit in front of a mirror

[wise prawn]

I'm just saying it how it homie,try pointing your aggravation at the right people ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight wolf]

@covert chasm I hope you guys are paying attention

Dont forget to tag the team xD

[dire sleet]

Yup… very disappointed. My favorite game turned into this. It hurts to see

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-riot-riot-protest-peepo-angry-gif-21768097

[upbeat bear]

completely ignored the point about epilepsy but ok

[vocal shard]

Literally installing rn lol! saw the update and thought welp there goes my favorite social vr game, last straw type stuff

[chilly folio]

I’m on pc and I’m going to shit myself and @covert chasm fuck MEEE

[muted plank]

This isn’t good at all, this update could be really terrible for disabled people and it really sucks that people are encouraging it

[valid swallow]

W update, devs, yall hiring?

[sage quartz]

lol, i am. Out of all the ways you guys went about fighting this update you chose the most toxic way of doing it, also causing WAY more drama than was needed

[lofty hedge]

bro tryna get payed

[sour cedar]

A five minute cool down seems a bit much

[latent island]

damn to these shitty people?

[vocal drift]

Aaaaaaa

[lost prairie]

I Respectfully agree with this as I am also a quest vr pc person who can only use virtual desktop and my pc does not support a cord also

[runic zinc]

Constantly saying that won’t do anything 💀

[twilit cave]

sigh

[lofty pelican]

💀

[magic minnow]

well if thats the case im double screwed from all of this stuff they are doing, amazing dev team right here!

[timid hornet]

It's another prime example of poor moderation by the vrc team. We're simply voicing the issue and devs were deleting messages. That's why we are mad

[hexed belfry]

The devs somehow made the worst update ever :)

[shrewd hound]

How’s the fire?

[mild rivet]

i’m not defending vrchat here, just saying that they’re also not entirely wrong as you’re certainly able to do a lot of accessibility work without using mods. i’m an avatar creator that focuses on accessibility regarding deaf hoh mutes and vrc-mutes without having to rely on mods i know there are ways (at least in the deaf etc. topic) to overcome lots of problems regarding this.

[sand beacon]

Whoa… if that’s true that’s an absolutely massive issue

[lucid garden]

honestly i think u fat fucks shouldve quit a long time ago get out

[wise prawn]

Your saying that like anything ive said has any effect lol,I'm just a dude stating my frustration, if you got a problem with that keep it to yourself

[ionic osprey]

Me and my quest:

[upbeat bear]

i don’t have epilepsy. i just have basic empathy

[honest tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[dire sleet]

I’m luckily on vacation so hopefully this gets changed by the time I get back…. If not idk if I wanna content create. I understand getting rid of mods but they got rid of the ability for disabled people to have more freedom

[jaunty dust]

🍉 🍋🍉 🍋

[tacit kernel]

Foolishness devs..Foolishness, Mods control everything, and without mods, you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself.

[runic zinc]

Growing bigger by the hour

[vocal shard]

The quest users dont know how to submit steam reviews so the game will be fine guys no need to worry they wont change a thing!!!

[lost prairie]

L Update saying this won’t help at all this update has cause hell within vrchat itself even hacking is now happening

[sage apex]

cant wait to be banned for using an anti crasher for a game that cant run properly

[hexed belfry]

Corrupted asset bundles bypass everything in vrc, it it loads for you you are dead, it's an l for anyone who wants to see avis at all

[twilit cave]

Oh no, you're right. -_- I have a link cable for my Quest 2 though.

[ionic osprey]

no freakin way lois.

[dull vapor]

People are trying to talk calmly with logic and even have a peaceful petition going on. But ALL the realistic comments and then petition links arw getting deleted because it doesnt go in the devs/vrcs favor. So people ar getting rightfully angry

[chrome prairie]

EAC won't ban you, only prevent you from starting the game

[lost prairie]

Not a lot of link cables can support pcs reason why people use virtual desktop

[mild rivet]

also most deaf friends of mine who i met in vrchat aren’t really interested in people who are against learning about their culture/language. i mean interest in the others person culture is key for communication

[twilit cave]

True..

[mild pagoda]

F

[lofty hedge]

imagine paying for full body but black screening bc ur on virtual desktop 💀

[dire sleet]

Ya the beach is taking my mind of it. Just I hate to see them do this. I’m not gonna go raging over it it’s just. Unfair

[languid forge]

Crashchat

[lucid wigeon]

hm

[silver hatch]

x2

[ionic osprey]

xbox liiiive

[queen root]

test

[leaden edge]

Source is they made it up

[halcyon tapir]

vrchat.canny.io if you want to give feedback

[sage apex]

eac 90% of the time doesnt work and it lowers performance as well

[ivory kelp]

fresh lemonade

[vocal shard]

I played once and saw masterchief controlling a mini flying delorean, sick

protest vrchat cancel youer vrchat plus then they will have no money for the devs and then thay will Delete AntiCheat System

[latent obsidian]

So vrc, how are y’all gonna handle this shitshow this time on your platform?

[rapid tiger]

Fuck you VRC

[sage quartz]

well since this is the only chat not being spammed like no tomorrow, if any furies want to come hang out feel free, just pm me. I will prob. be playing Space Engineers or something like that, otherwise imma do anything other than deal with this drama (P.S i am only 16, just so you know)

[chrome prairie]

Tupper mentioned an impact of 1% in testing. Not exactly a major contributor to PC load

[languid forge]

🇱

[glad tinsel]

hi @wary gorge

[latent obsidian]

got hackers n crap goin on out of the blue, so come on, tell us your plan of action this time since this one was such a good idea.

[vocal shard]

aggressive sniff wheres the nuggets, hand them over

[sage apex]

in any other game easy takes up more than that so thats bs

[ivory kelp]

freshly squuueeeezzeedd

[magic minnow]

L

[vocal shard]

I have never met a single trusted user who did not use a client.

[wary gorge]

Hello @glad tinsel

[edgy anchor]

hi i've never used a client

[vocal shard]

billy, stop

[dire sleet]

Poor into a cup

[chrome prairie]

I have a whole bunch on my friends list, including me, who has never used one

[ivory kelp]

can’t get enouuughhh

[wooden star]

Wonder what’s going to happen

[vocal shard]

welp guess im weird

[desert stump]

Vrchat pulled an NWA and now the mod community is Ice Cube

[mild rivet]

same! i never used any mods

[fervent jackal]

[lofty hedge]

so glad my oculus broke

[edgy anchor]

i enjoy the game for making friends and seeing cool art...never needed mods. i understand peoples with disabilities needing them and sympathize, but personally i've never used them.

[timber dew]

Never used Mods, nor did I had planed to

So dunno, don't care

[near herald]

Fuck VRC lmao VRChat is over party

[desert stump]

I'll bring the burgers

[halcyon tapir]

the fact that they don't offer anything yet that can replace the protection and quality of mods is just a big FU to everyone. like you think a bandaid will work on a leg chopped in half?

[vocal shard]

@ivory kelp @dire sleet love you both for that xD

[mild rivet]

^

[onyx dagger]

the other vr game I play which is pavlov, even with EAC the hacks still exist.

[dire sleet]

XD

[edgy anchor]

boycott call of duty we want dedicated servers

[onyx dagger]

EAC is shit why bother using it

[real oak]

Does anyone know about these (hack raids) apparently going on in vrc atm? Are the true

[vocal shard]

if vrchat EAC does indeed block any VM from connecting to vrchat then i will be even more upset then i already am.

[ivory kelp]

this slow down getting mad annoying 🥱

[leaden edge]

Any game that has an anti cheat will have cheaters but it makes it harder.

[vocal shard]

Does it affect notorious?

[halcyon tapir]

people bypass eac in online games so much so that i'm surprised anyone still wants to use it

[ionic osprey]

Literally 1984

[wraith grotto]

AKA DBD

[worthy helm]

bro you mean the minecraft mod

[worldly thorn]

im wondering to

[vocal shard]

idk i dont have notorious. What i mean by VM is virtual machine meaning virtual desktop or anything else that lets you connect wirelessly to your pc.

[dull vapor]

EAC doesnt stop malicious people from hacking and crashing etc, it just makes it harder for normal players to protect themselves against it, let alone make their PERSONAL game more playable

[worthy cove]

apperently its blue screens, info grabs and crashes

[edgy anchor]

i've been sitting in a public world for like 2hr now, it's absolutely super calm and there are no crashers or clients already.

[onyx dagger]

true

[desert stump]

From what I've seen it does affect virtual desktop function but idk to what degree

[swift spoke]

F

[leaden edge]

Probably just people fear mongering

[real oak]

I appreciate the little bit of feedback. Thank you very much to the few that replied

[vocal shard]

i dont see why i mean virtual desktop doesnt modify anything yeah its an external program but it doesnt touch any folders.

[teal nacelle]

What tf is going on

[night lark]

copypasta

[tiny perch]

facts

[pastel adder]

yiikes... y'all are getting hacked now?

[halcyon tapir]

just go to black cat, people crash that world all the time

[vocal shard]

and those 90% knew it was against ToU lol

[desert stump]

No your way fun allowed. Only our way fun

[frigid peak]

chats going by so fast people won't notice I'm gay KappaPride

[nocturne linden]

every public world i went into is getting attacked by people in robot avis in black suits lagging it out

[edgy anchor]

people are angi that they broke TOS and it came back around, with very limited legitimate concerns.

[night lark]

no it isnt

[ionic osprey]

Do u listen

[past jewel]

everyone sees it now

[pastel adder]

vrchat is getting a huge hit of hackers. stay off vrchat

[teal nacelle]

This is honestly getting out of hand imo

[leaden edge]

Source? Or you just make it up? Or did some random pleb on discord say it so you believed it?

[mild rivet]

i would guess there are some people being so upset that they would do such stuff rn, definitely be wary in public worlds atm! there have been already people trying to dox devs etc.

[vocal shard]

R we safe in privates?

i logged onto vrchat and a hacker stole my roof of my IRL house

be safe guys and keep your teddy bears close tonight

[nocturne linden]

this update is complete dog shit, but theyre going to far tbh

[fiery token]

This one made me laugh out loud LMAO

[unique perch]

You can know it's in TOS and still not like TOS. Just because it's against tos doesn't mean it's bad. And legitimate concerns depends entirely on the objective, and if you look at it from the perspective of user growth the actual concerns don't start to matter for a while, but it's still morally abhorrent to restrict what people can do like this by installing something like EAC.

[pastel adder]

There are sources, some of the servers i'm in are pinging it

[valid raptor]

I've heard that before. It doesn't mean much if we say anything

[vocal shard]

yeah though a majority does have a legetimate claim with the mods they use making it easier and a better game all around. Avatar search smoother framerates and anti crash features being among the good mods used. They would have no reason to use these mods if vrchat had instead did these before pushing the eac instead of hey were going to block it and then maybe fix it later down the line.

[torn shoal]

I mean, the game is a safety hazard atm and people have been doxed. It's going way too far

[timid hornet]

Pf course it got deleted.

[sand beacon]

I love how I understood that “eggman’s announcement” reference before it got deleted

[ionic osprey]

HOLY SHit we get it its bad shut fuck up!!!

[mild rivet]

i completely agree!

[finite crescent]

Does anyone know what’s happening with this supposed hack raid?

[prime vapor]

More like 5% (if that)

[rotund finch]

Tbh what is eac going to do hackers can bypass it very easily

[fair scarab]

Is it true abo he people getting hacked

[real stream]

lol

[fiery token]

Bruh no need for the spam learn to have actual conversations.

[quick pasture]

General 1 is currently agony

[edgy anchor]

fear mongering to drop the user base

[onyx dagger]

my accounts been hack all over the world. From us to brazil to argentina to japan, I guess EAC wont help protecting that

[teal nacelle]

I really didn't expect vrc to get an eac out of everything

[dense notch]

That’s gonna change watch

[vagrant badge]

General 1 is going crazy rn

[pastel adder]

General 1 is Always agony

[strange magnet]

It's actually probably closer to 1% of players that use mods

[tidal cape]

this one isn't better

[vocal shard]

be safe guys, i was hacked and doxxed, then thousand bees attacked me IRL

[rigid tulip]

hey question? would virtual desktop not work with EAC??

[vocal shard]

Leave then, smh. It's free.

[mild rivet]

#vrchat-general-2 message

[leaden edge]

Damn not the bees

[fervent hedge]

making the switch to chillout goodbye vrc

[sand beacon]

I can’t even look it keeps glitching cuz it’s too fast lol

[winged adder]

can we stop spamming?

[halcyon tapir]

you have dedicated modders to help improve protection and quality of life, most popular mods update with VRC updates. you can't get that type of QC in a small dev team like VRC.

[onyx dagger]

bruh like 90% of people who play VRChat use modifications you guys have tried this before and lost a lot of people and you didn't even add an anti cheat now that your adding this it will make things even WORSE. even more people will leave if anything make your report system better because it almost feels like that doesn't even work there have been instances where I and many others that I know have reported malicious use of modifications or total harassment or bullying online as well as racial attacks and messages said to one another. Vrchat is not just a game but a wonderful world that we can all talk with each other and connect as well. vrchat has been like a home and family twords me and many others and now that this update is getting released a lot of people will leave as well as for content creators as well. this update will be your downfall