vrchat-general-1

[upper coral]

Hiiii

[winter gate]

hehe...faster than Flare. xd

[latent mango]

Is this Discords Announcement channel on it's own server realm now? xD

[sinful lion]

[olive bramble]

swirly cyoot

[bold parcel]

Hai 😋

[mint niche]

Chat is slower than usual

Darn

[upper coral]

Ughhhh

[olive bramble]

people busy working and doing stuff

[mint niche]

VRChattians dont have jobs

[zealous nacelle]

like petting their cats

[upper coral]

Lol

[granite lantern]

Excuse me, why am I waiting that much for an email to change my password?

[stuck wedge]

Boring dev update this time lol

[latent mango]

I wouldn't know.

[olive bramble]

how about I pat you instead

[zealous nacelle]

i accept

[stuck wedge]

Maybe that because I don't understand the implications of Soba

[olive bramble]

[zealous nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-mio-yuuko-slam-anime-gif-24420922

[olive bramble]

so mean

[mint niche]

I see all anime watchers as the deku voice people

[zealous nacelle]

ive been realizing lately that

no matter what i eat

if its not meat it never keeps me full

[mint niche]

There should be a VRchat club that specializes in jungle (the genre of music), but it is designed to look like it’s in the middle of like a jungle (the biome) with like a dilapidated temple and vines and shit

[zealous nacelle]

i ate 3 hours ago and im hungry

[mint niche]

Gayest thing I've ever heard

[zealous nacelle]

not that meat but okay

[mint niche]

Lost lands but VR

[zealous nacelle]

yes denji from chainsaw man

[mint niche]

He's going to chainsaw all the man

[onyx topaz]

Why do games choose to release updates on Thursday?

Always get like 6 different game updates on Thursday.

[mint niche]

Paper

[zealous nacelle]

because thursday by itself is a fucking boring day i guess

bread

[mint niche]

Ur mom

Owo

Igor my beloved

[zealous nacelle]

a human being

[mint niche]

Rip up the united states constitution because clearly it's irrelevant in 2025

America has fallen pensive

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-team-fortress-2-emesis-blue-template-gif-11719258778611419701

Oh you wanna read my bio? Wait for my 7 dollars effect to end first.

Chat died again ok

[forest fulcrum]

[onyx topaz]

[merry cosmos]

Hihi all

[coarse steeple]

[mint niche]

Hi

[void pulsar]

Oh noes... chat is haunted

[loud laurel]

bout to hop on

[void pulsar]

just hopped off

[loud laurel]

l

[bitter pollen]

[mint niche]

Blow up

[humble pilot]

hello

[cobalt summit]

I just need 1 more part

😭

[mint niche]

You're 6'3 bruh

I'm 2007 and 5'4

Stop fucking hacking

[cobalt summit]

?

You're short

Thats cute

[mint niche]

You're tall

[cobalt summit]

Also nice

[mint niche]

Never no stop

hi

[cobalt summit]

Hi

[mint niche]

Making Mac n cheeeesuh

[pine hornet]

i wish i were short -w-

[cobalt summit]

Thats what I'm saying

[mint niche]

Trust me you don't

[cobalt summit]

Being tall hurts

Literally

[mint niche]

When I was in college it felt like I was a child who snuck in because everyone else was so tall

It's not a nice feeling

Tomorrow is gonna be great

Whay

[cobalt summit]

I'm too tall to fit in some cars. Also back problems.

Life sucks

I also told someone who was taller then me if I was their hight I'd off myself

[mint niche]

Yikes

[cobalt summit]

6'3 sucks as is. If I were taller it'd be unbearable

So I hate it when people say "I wish I were tall"

[mint niche]

The game coming out

What game

[mint niche]

I guess being 5'10 is the only real way to win

[cobalt summit]

You don't understand. Tall people wanna be short because they understand what it is to be tall and short people wanna be tall because they don't know better.

[mint niche]

That's a little one sided

[cobalt summit]

Also it depends on how short we're talking 5'7 ish would be perfect

Like 5'7-5'9 is a good hight opinion wise. But it also depends on what you wanna do in life

[mint niche]

Exist without being belittled and not taken seriously on account of being fucking tiny

[cobalt summit]

I know many short people who are very strong and no one would ever dare say anything to them about hight.

Telling you. Doesn't matter if you're tall or short. You'll always get picked on for something. Unless you're jacked

[mint niche]

Yeah no I'm not jacked

[void pulsar]

"That's a little short sided" Fixed that for ya

[mint niche]

Sheru

[void pulsar]

yes?

[mint niche]

[void pulsar]

Not good enough for you?

[mint niche]

[void pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sigh-cute-lucky-star-gif-12069368

[amber dawn]

Uhh can someone help me?

I was in a Avatar world the Prismatic one I believe and I was randomizing avatars and I got a crasher one and now I can't join back on quest I have pc/quest but my pc is a laptop

[latent mango]

https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/360060847634-Unable-to-switch-out-of-an-avatar

[void pulsar]

prismatic

[tender girder]

No u

[void pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/no-u-kiwa-gif-21008644

[bitter pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-8037700062970091444

[vocal tusk]

since today for absolutely no reason -.-
And yes, steamvr reinstall or pc restart doesnt work, beat saber works just fine https://prnt.sc/t1Dn3UChR6Qw

[fluid bane]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4ip2x8/how_to_fix_steamvr_error_301_steam_support_just/

[pallid lava]

Muu visits

[cursive epoch]

Toot

[mint niche]

Guys just make linux available, if you guys acknowledged it's possible, why no make an outlet to support it, more users for the game too 😭

[white garden]

proton

[mint niche]

Exactly

[cursive epoch]

I ate the protons

[mint niche]

Plus C coding can run on linux as well

[white garden]

everyone just needs to get their proton packs ready, we out here busting ghosts

[fluid bane]

Linux accounts for 2.06% of Steam's overall userbase, it's not financially viable to specifically support it

[olive bramble]

[latent mango]

And even less so when it works just fine already with proton

[fluid bane]

this is your reminder that vrchat is a corporation that needs to make money, not someone's hobby project

[urban blade]

Kartoffel

[white garden]

they dont need to work to focus on linux, proton just be chillin doing the job

steam decks exist

[mint niche]

True

I'm using windows rn, I used to use linux a good chunk myself

[fluid bane]

bless proton making gaming on linux viable at all

[mint niche]

Well it is getting more intergrated

[white garden]

i was just using my steam deck earlier, played a bit of yugioh on it

[mint niche]

Eventually linux could practically out windows, windows

[fluid bane]

ehhhh

[white garden]

all i would need for my steam deck to be my daily driver is a good music player app, replace the ssd with 1 or 2 tb ssd and i'd be set

[mint niche]

I do get what you mean zana, I think the hassle of porting it ot to run on the many distro already could be a hassle, however I think if given in the hands of devs for linux projects, it could be achieved

[fluid bane]

however I think if given in the hands of devs for linux projects, it could be achieved
once again, vrchat is a corporation needing to make money, not someone's open-source hobby project

[mint niche]

Well but then again

Vrchat has been kind of not been doing too hot

Honestly though even if not, the fact that they did knowledge it is awesome

[steady cipher]

Is age verification still locked to paying users

[white garden]

yes

[fluid bane]

yes and it will be for the foreseeable future

[steady cipher]

Wdym foreseeable

[fluid bane]

forever

[steady cipher]

It was stated it’d be for the beta period

[fluid bane]

no it wasn't

see pinned messages for more information

[steady cipher]

Bro is spreading misinformation I swear

[left steppe]

no they arent

[steady cipher]

Did they change their stance

[fluid bane]

they did not

[brave raft]

it's for vrc+ users only now but later it will be a fee

[white garden]

because it costs them money to use the service they use to verify identification.

[steady cipher]

Okay someone understands what I’m saying

[white garden]

That service being "Persona"

[steady cipher]

Yes I know

[white garden]

I would assume 1 vrchat subscription eats a portion of that cost.

per user'

[steady cipher]

But if it’s just a fee later I won’t need VRChat+

[white garden]

it would just be a 1 off whether it be gifted or bought.

[left steppe]

Mods in this chat said it wont be free a lot tho (because the service costs money). It might change to a one time only payment but it will still cost money

[fluid bane]

it's just a fee right now if you buy a month of vrc+ and then cancel it

[latent mango]

Also a reminder that it's a one off thing.
You can verify and then not continue the VRC+

the verification stays

[steady cipher]

Nah I don’t wanna support vrchat

I’d rather pay the persona fee

[white garden]

That seems like a "you" issue.

[shut sundial]

age verifying is exclusive to vrc+, never have they said that they will make it free

[mint niche]

Welp I'm glad I got age verified early before a pay wall stuck in the way

[latent mango]

Fee not free.

[steady cipher]

It was implied in the beta announcement

[latent mango]

As in, a dedicated one time payment just for verification

[shut sundial]

[fluid bane]

are you seriously assuming that just because there's a one-time fee, 100% of that fee would go to Persona?

[latent mango]

And that might happen, who knows.
But that'll still be about 2-3$ realistically

[steady cipher]

More than the subscription would

[steady cipher]

Still cheaper

[rocky thorn]

🤨

[left steppe]

Youre saying you want it to be free, yet arent willing to support vrchat. How are they supposed to make money at all then

[shut sundial]

if you can buy battle pass for gacha games, you can afford vrc+ just for 1 month

[white garden]

This logic doesn't make sense. How would persona give the information to VRChat if you are bypassing VRChat?

[slender shore]

just make it vrc+ instead of doing xyz stuff

[keen kernel]

hewwo, what did i miss? xD

[steady cipher]

“Early access with vrc+”

Like if vrchat is lying through their teeth they should change their previous announcements

[shut sundial]

someone currently not satisfied with age verification process

[fluid bane]

"I want to use this platform but I dont' want to support it" lookin ass

[white garden]

Honestly the process is simple, buy vrc+ verify, boom.

[steady cipher]

I don’t wanna give VRChat money

[keen kernel]

so an average thursday

[white garden]

Then don't age verify.

[slender shore]

I cant afford it buys vr headset costing 1000$ or a phone

[flat bough]

Then don't, lmao

[white garden]

And stop complaining.

[shut sundial]

its literally $10

[steady cipher]

I will when it’s a fee

[keen kernel]

why?

[brave raft]

that fee also goes to vrchat you sponge

[flat bough]

Who's gonna tell em

[steady cipher]

I’d rather buy age verification than buy nitro at home

[shut sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-barnacles-funny-gif-gif-14509494416451968887

[white garden]

Just wait till discord does age verification 😂

[steady cipher]

Would it be paid tho

[flat bough]

Probably

[keen kernel]

persona is not free

[steady cipher]

The data they obtain would cover the costs

[white garden]

nah

[latent mango]

?

[flat bough]

Wouldn't be surprised that if discord does it too then it'll probably be a nitro thing

[brave raft]

no lmao

[white garden]

Its either you paid to get verified or you don't get verified. period dot the end.

[left steppe]

100%

[white garden]

new topic

[steady cipher]

Yeah just sucks the VRChat company is full of snakes for PR

[cursive epoch]

[brave raft]

lol
lmao
kek even

[flat bough]

Mf thinks free game with 0% support equals updates and bug fixes lmao

[keen kernel]

so you don't want vrchat to make money?... it's just a charity for us then?

[slender shore]

evil vrchat , its dead soon anyway, time to bail

[shut sundial]

minus the on-going topic, am currently waiting for monster hunter wilds launch, it is tonight, its gonna be the bomb

[fluid bane]

why is bro even here if they hate vrc so much

[cursive epoch]

Enemies

[steady cipher]

Because I use vcc

[fluid bane]

why

[steady cipher]

For other people

[keen kernel]

hype! heard good things of the series, i'm concidering getting this one in the future as my first

[rocky thorn]

MH Wilds looks fun

[slender shore]

no interest in monster hunter , not for me

[mint niche]

I really want them to remove custom stickers prints and emojis so bad

[white garden]

I unfortunately bought a yugioh collection instead of monster hunter. Plus a backlog is preventing me from buying more and more games

[fluid bane]

monster hunter? what do you do in that game?

[shut sundial]

indeed and alot of my friends are lining up tonight cuz launch is tonight

[keen kernel]

go to the corner

[left steppe]

I like it

[shut sundial]

we have caffeine ready to stay up all night

[cursive epoch]

Woah wamii change

[white garden]

I got monster hunter rise and world for $9.99 with all the DLC in a bundle

[slender shore]

prints get excessive in some rooms, its like flyers all over

[mint niche]

Why

[shut sundial]

hunt monsters 😂

[fluid bane]

I also hate it when people have fun

[mint niche]

I don't like them because people keep just printing and posting gore

[left steppe]

yippie

[white garden]

Then report them.

[uncut comet]

In monster hunter you're gonna end up grinding

[fluid bane]

no way

[mint niche]

Id be reporting tens of people a day which just ruins the experience

[cursive epoch]

She’s so cute who is she

[white garden]

I report people often, takes 2 mins out of my day

[steady cipher]

And of course when there were announcements for age verification updates it’s just engagement farm because it’s only visual changes

Is there no official announcement that retracts the early access for vrc+ part

[shut sundial]

she's a character from an indie game on steam. Her sticker is from steam stickers and i got it for free.

[fluid bane]

new wife dropped

[mint niche]

Do they ban people or just delete the stickers and stuff because it wouldn't be worth it to me if they don't disallow people to upload custom images

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

[uncut comet]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-26349474

[shut sundial]

@cursive epoch her name is Mi-an from My Time at Sandrock game

[white garden]

Depends on the severity of the image. From my knowledge i've seen someone get a 1 day ban for a inappropriate sticker, i'd assume if they kept repeating the behavior the ban length could increase

I just report it regardless if they are my friend or not

[mint niche]

Yeah that's butt and not enough

[mint niche]

I've reported my friends on stuff before

[steady cipher]

Wait you’re not able to have naughty stickers even if you don’t use them?

[mint niche]

But usually with VRC I never befriend anyone who's a turbo degen or a weird incel child

[fluid bane]

hello mods, it's this person right here

[white garden]

TOS Exists for a reason lol.

[keen kernel]

so that's 90% then

[mint niche]

Yeah

[cursive epoch]

Hell yeah

[steady cipher]

Just crazy that you can’t have stickers that you only use in private spaces if it works like that

[mint niche]

It ain't easy being normal

"normal"

[cursive epoch]

No one here is normal

[cinder crown]

@rocky radish The message you've sent contains words that aren't permitted on this server.

[mint niche]

Neither of those categories I mean

[keen kernel]

who's this normal you speak of?

dude stop

[mint niche]

People who don't fit into the two categories I mentioned just now

The 1 percent of VRC players

[cursive epoch]

Gross

[fluid bane]

you can go to a platform that allows it, which is not here

[shut sundial]

that person is likely a minor

[fluid bane]

figure it out

[steady cipher]

Well hopefully VRChat stops pretending persona costs them an arm and a leg sooner rather than later causing abusing customers for a 10 dollar subscription on a service that ain’t worth 10 dollars is wack

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/bakugan-doom-card-set-card-anime-gif-17744447

[shut sundial]

[fluid bane]

buddy I'm going to say this once. what you're asking is not allowed on vrchat, and certainly not in this discord

[mint niche]

I mean imo compared to nitro which is the same price- VRC+ is more than worth it

[olive bramble]

what the scallop

[shut sundial]

dude is gonna get thanos snapped

[olive bramble]

fpawl smite this child

[shut sundial]

paul thanos snapped that man

[steady cipher]

That’s subjective brother

[mint niche]

Literally how

[left steppe]

then lets all stop having opinions because almost everything in life is subjective

[fluid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[shut sundial]

ayyy paul did it

[keen kernel]

nitro have way more features then vrc+

[mint niche]

VRC+ does the same things nitro does, and nitro basic is far cheaper

[steady cipher]

I get nothing from vrchat+ so I hate that I need it for verification

[brave raft]

too bad nitro costs me less than half than vrc+

[mint niche]

Yeah no idk who came up with that but that was so stupid

[latent mango]

It quite possibly costs them 0,50$ - 1$ per user (A guesstimation based on Persona's public information and assuming VRChat having a individual contract.)

Additional, from the 10$ they get with VRC+ 3$ already drop off at their Steam, or Meta, or Google as a platform fee, then there is handling of the money / taxes so even a one time payment will likely be 2-3$ just for the verification.

[rocky thorn]

Then don't get it, verification is optional

[keen kernel]

is the world ending if you don't get age verified? don't think so

[mint niche]

Why is it locked behind a paywall though?

[true bear]

rage verified

[mint niche]

Because I thought it was a safety feature

[true bear]

https://tenor.com/view/sunkook-cat-despite-all-my-gif-27008343

[shut sundial]

this guy did not read the pins

[left steppe]

Read what FPaul wrote

[mint niche]

Who?

[steady cipher]

No it’s not

[mint niche]

Idk who dat is

[rocky thorn]

Please read our FAQ: https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/age-verification

[olive bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[mint niche]

Alright I'll read it

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[steady cipher]

It’s a whole part of the game locked off with a 10 dollar subscription when it’s not worth 10 dollars for the service being paid for

[true bear]

whole part of the game what

[left steppe]

#vrchat-general-1 message

[latent mango]

It's currently part of that subscription.
VRC+ is not just that thing.

[steady cipher]

Like you know it locks off content but then choose to make it the most expensive paywall possible for a 1 dollar service

[white garden]

$10.00 now or double it and hand to the next person?

[shut sundial]

now

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-prince-charles-ew-it-smells-so-poor-in-here-poor-smells-poor-in-here-gif-25996196

[steady cipher]

VRChat company is just siphoning money from people who want to be verified under the guise of a beta and its scummy

[fluid bane]

double it

[latent mango]

Right...

[white garden]

keep in mind you have two hands. i could hand it to myself, thus doubling it, i could hand it to you doubling it and we could have a infinite loop,. think bout it.

[steady cipher]

And then backpedaled the beta part even because the PR management is total ass

[brave raft]

where were you when it was introduced then

[mint niche]

Eeeeeh it's. I mean if what I'm reading is genuinely true then its perfectly makes sense and stuff. But.. I mean I've literally never heard of any company other than VR chat who's made people have to pay to do it

[shut sundial]

sounds like you live in poverty

[steady cipher]

So what if I am

[olive bramble]

Poverty has nothing to do with this

[rocky thorn]

VRChat is a free service, there is a difference

[white garden]

when i didnt have a job i could treat $20.00 like it was $100.00

[pallid lava]

Wanna see my car

[steady cipher]

It’s a dogshit paywall for a service that costs pennies

[keen kernel]

sure lol

[latent mango]

Except it's not pennies

[brave raft]

show the Muubile

[rocky thorn]

Source: I made it the fuck up

[pallid lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228115505965957241/1344806558810374267/20250227_145903.mp4?ex=67c24034&is=67c0eeb4&hm=bfe72b12b99f4ab5d9b4f7490b3ded0de1119bb458c38332a4f5e91fdb821ba6&

[mint niche]

There's a fair amount of things that have age verification that don't require paying to do so though

[shut sundial]

if you had a job, $10 means nothing

[mint niche]

This lol

[keen kernel]

if you adults can't affort a 1 time 10 dollar fee for an optional feature, then don't get it and stop complaining

[brave raft]

that's a nice car

[steady cipher]

lol ok fam prove me wrong that you’re not just milking customers

[latent mango]

We don't know VRChat's invidual contract, hence my guesstimate of 0,50$ - 1$ per user.

But here is what Personas base tier is.

[left steppe]

You do realize that the entire game is free. That should be enough to justify having to pay 10€ to get additional features

[mint niche]

You're probably gonna get bapped for the tude

[fluid bane]

all that really means is they make their money off you through other means, whether by selling off your data to the highest bidder or otherwise

[latent mango]

Which is 250$ a month whit 500 inclusive verification and then 1,50$ PER USER after those.
This is NOT trivial costs / pennies

[keen kernel]

the CatCar

[olive bramble]

well let him in then

[pallid lava]

It doesn't " cost pennies " and in reality it's a great double barrier in most cases if you're working you're an adult, if you're an adult you can prob afford 10$

[pallid lava]

He wanted out, the weather is nice

[mint niche]

Is that ragebait or

[shut sundial]

if you live under a rock like Patrick, you can save up money

[fluid bane]

no

[white garden]

i bet if we gave them vrchat+ then they'd support vrc

by proxy

[shut sundial]

you can also get gifted vrc+ and then age verify yourself, easy and simple. Don't even need to spend money.

[pallid lava]

Additionally you only have to pay it once to get the verification

[steady cipher]

Persona ain’t even over 5 dollars per user since it’s a corp paying for it in bulk

[left steppe]

Its like when people say discord nitro is annoying and useless. The second they get it gifted their profile just explodes with effects and animations

[steady cipher]

It’s at most 2 dollars per user if the vrchat company is being shafted by persona

[mint niche]

Also this, plenty of people on VRC will give VRC+ just because

[flat bough]

Once again, don't want to pay it, don't, want things? Pay, pretty much anything is like that, stop crying over something such simplified system

[shut sundial]

people do drop vrc+ yeah

[keen kernel]

this xD

[pallid lava]

I can't figure out why you're upset over having to pay for it once for something you want

[slender shore]

petty whining about vrc+ ah its greed

[latent mango]

You keep making this bullshit statement that makes no sense,
Verification is a PERK of VRC+
VRC+ is NOT the "buy this to get verified and that's it" thing

[quasi glade]

damn there's a lot of "i don't wanna pay for a total optional feature that enables my free game to recoup some costs, i prefer them going down under" in the chat tonight

[true bear]

all the time lol

[mint niche]

I was instance and some guy started dropping hundreds of subscriptions

[white garden]

I tried it with trials for a while and the big use for me was file size and soundboards and servers. last year i caved and bought a year and am going to be sad when it expires.

[steady cipher]

It’s locked behind it so it’s the only valuable thing

[pallid lava]

2$ per user with THOUSANDS of users quickly would add up would it not?

[shut sundial]

that guy up there just have poor luck probably

[mint niche]

Visitor account, robot avatar- just started giving so many

[flat bough]

Specially in group publics

[white garden]

once i get sustainable income i'll buy it again along with other stuff.

[left steppe]

Okay and what about the whole process that took place to even make verification possible, the transaction fees, managing such payments and so on + the extra it has to cost to even make a profit

[steady cipher]

It’s weird to have vrc+ be so expensive with no alternative

Even discord has alternatives

[keen kernel]

introducing: manchilds

[white garden]

everyone donate $1.00 in monopoly money

[flat bough]

Dude just want to live life for free, they probably young so that's it

[steady cipher]

I just don’t want my money primarily going to a corp I don’t like

[shut sundial]

the mentality to live off freely is definitely a kids mind

[slender shore]

save 0.5 cent a day you can afford it

[steady cipher]

I’d rather just pay a fee

[white garden]

lets raise this person enough money in vrc+

[mint niche]

VRC basic where you get to have the extra avatars and get a little rank points doesn't sound like a bad idea

[true bear]

then dont let it go to the corp

its literally their service

[pallid lava]

It's not subscription based though, if you buy it ONCE it stays forever

[left steppe]

But you spend your time in life on a game by a corp you dont like

[quasi glade]

well don't use vrchat then if you don't like the corp behind it like??

[flat bough]

Then don't pay, if you don't pay you won't pay the Corp that you don't like their extra features that supporters of the game will, one thing you should learn is stop complaining when you shouldn't

[bitter pollen]

$10, one time fee. Can't be that bad bro 😭

[steady cipher]

That’s like saying don’t use Twitter

[slender shore]

euuw

[pallid lava]

I don't

[white garden]

lets pay for twitter

[true bear]

plenty of people dont use twitter LOL

[quasi glade]

well yeah, if you don't like elon don't use twitter, aint hard lol

[mint niche]

You can always go play resonite with their actually terrible community and team

[white garden]

ive been using blusky more recently

[quasi glade]

let's not put down other communities lol

[rocky thorn]

yeah, let's not be rude

[harsh frigate]

are there any portal remakes with a functional portal gun where you can see through the portal?

[mint niche]

I've had only negative experiences with resonite / neos so Im just talking from my own experience

[brave raft]

but you're willing to play their game so

[pallid lava]

Point is @steady cipher you only have to pay for it once it's 10$ it's completely optional

[left steppe]

It is! Man, I hate VRChat sm... okay but I'm done here, ill go and buy the battle pass and 10 valorant skins 😍

[white garden]

I know of prefabs that do things like that but the issue with them is they don't work for you, they only work for other players.

[pallid lava]

Also YOU. wanna join flare ati and I for overcooked

[flat bough]

They just ha e a childish mindset, can't really do anything about it

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/opening-a-duct-tape-the-chainsmokers-high-song-im-going-to-tape-you-duct-tape-gif-26380304

[steady cipher]

When people bring it upon me yes

[vocal tusk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4ip2x8/how_to_fix_steamvr_error_301_steam_support_just/
that doesnt work at all.. i even uninstall antivirus and resttart the oc again.. what is this bs...

[steady cipher]

And if someone invites me to vrchat and then I have to decline cause it’s locked behind a 10 dollar paywall

[pallid lava]

I need ONE more person and I'm shaking everyone I know down

[bitter pollen]

Simple thing is if you hate it so much then why bother investing in it?

[harsh frigate]

wdym they don't work for me but only for other players

what makes me or my build different

[brave raft]

it's like talking smack about apple while using an iphone

[pallid lava]

That's ... Not how that works

[steady cipher]

It’s literally how it works brother that’s the only reason for the verification

[rocky thorn]

Perhaps another time! Tonight / tomorrow is MH for me and some friends, so I won't have too much time

[slender shore]

'furiously typing'

[keen kernel]

i want a coffee, like a nice cappuchino

[white garden]

They can go through the portal. your player model can't. Its not about the size or build. its just a restriction of the prefab to my knowledge

[tranquil coral]

I’m Rei Ayanami

[flat bough]

Don't bother, they have a locked childish mindset, they will out any excuse trying to get what they want

[steel granite]

[pallid lava]

Well ya not tonight cause I'm ALSO playing monster Hunter

[harsh frigate]

alr

[rocky thorn]

GAMING

[true bear]

[keen kernel]

let's go to the cafe and get on.... what do you mean i have to pay for this? greedy corps!

[cursive epoch]

i miss muu

[left steppe]

I dont even understand what the point in arguing about the verification thing is. Its not just gonna be free now 😭 (also I dont hate vrchat I was just joking)

[rocky thorn]

[pallid lava]

No because I have it, I already know how it works sister

[pallid lava]

Hell yeah 😎

[tranquil coral]

I threw my vr controller remote hand control thingy out the window

[cursive epoch]

too bad muu dieded

[pallid lava]

I am really hoping I get to see the Palomu but I'm not sure if they're in the game- also I'm right here @cursive epoch

[steel granite]

How could you

[steady cipher]

Sorry for not reading the bio sister. Did they change how it works? It should definitely lock you off from entering certain worlds that was the whole advertising campaign for it

[bitter pollen]

It's pure basic business. Nothing is free in this world and I'm 100% sure companies aren't going to play charity for a feature that literally costs money - quite a lot for a large user base to be in fact

[left steppe]

would you even get 18+ if you verified

[cursive epoch]

its like i can still hear her voice

[steady cipher]

???

[slender shore]

subtle asl

[pallid lava]

I'm telling you, if you want it you only have to pay for VR+ for a singular month so it's quite literally a one time fee, I have it I know that's how it works

[steady cipher]

I’m not talking about the subscription

I’m talking about the age verification gated content

[pallid lava]

Because there was a month that I DIDNT have it and I still had my 18+ verification

[bitter pollen]

I bet this guy pirates indie games with that talk that

[white garden]

i got age verified during a beta.

[slender shore]

I havnt seen a single verified locked instance yet , too few in groups have it

[pallid lava]

Yeah even without VR+ you can still access them as long as you're verified

[tranquil coral]

Lowkey 18+ verification don’t do shit 💔😭

[white garden]

keeps the kids and some ppl out

[pallid lava]

That's what everyone has been trying to tell you

[steady cipher]

But you can only be verified if you get VR+

[left steppe]

"We need more indie games because AAA is awful!"

pirates said indie games

[bitter pollen]

It kinda does, depends on who locks it to that

[keen kernel]

it's not that deep, and also not a problem, you just make it a imaginary problem. i ask you to stop rambling about this topic

[pallid lava]

Right you only have to do it once though

[steady cipher]

It’s just a lot of money for a service I won’t use

That’s why I referenced discord

[slender shore]

then dont get it

[pallid lava]

But you don't have to use the service

[mint niche]

Most instances that are 18 plus are just gated by "ERM HOW OLD ARE YOU" and you can just lie anyway

[cursive epoch]

its a one time buy kinda thing

[pallid lava]

It's a one time buy

[fluid bane]

if you won't use it why do you care so much about getting age verified

[white garden]

$10.00 is a lot of money

[bitter pollen]

Yup yup it infuriates me when people pirate indie games, especially 1 person studios

[tranquil coral]

Yeah I’ve seen so many 12 year olds in the most absurd of places

[white garden]

if u make $1.00 an hour

[pallid lava]

Like I said @steady cipher there was a month I DIDNT have VR+ I STILL had my verification and was still able to go to 18+ instances

[steady cipher]

Because it’s the only thing I want from it but the price is inflated to hell because it’s priced for ALL services it provides

[cursive epoch]

verified instanes on vs ppl asking ages is different

[brave raft]

some people cannot be reasoned with

[steady cipher]

Like the introduction of the system has caused me to play less

[cursive epoch]

hii pea

[white garden]

i still get ppl asking for my age despite being age verified in bar instances,

[pallid lava]

That's okay I'm about to take a nap

[steady cipher]

Because it’s just FOMO garbage

[bitter pollen]

Only thing i can agree on but unfortunately that's a state or country fault. Sucks tbh

[mint niche]

I'm 17 right, if someone ever runs up to me and starts squeaking about how old are you I just say my birthday + 1 year because even if I don't plan on sticking around for a bit id still rather leave on my own instead of being kicked by an ego head

[fluid bane]

it's better than buying them off grey market websites, many indie devs have said they'd rather people pirate their games if it's the only way they can get to play them but to avoid grey market keys at all costs

[keen kernel]

agree, dense people sadly, it's the gen 1 life

[pallid lava]

You wouldn't be experiencing fomo if you READ what people are saying.

[white garden]

i made a faux drivers license for vrchat to show them, in print form

[steady cipher]

And because the vrchat team is a bunch of snakes that lack transparency it’s just a dartboard guess for when verification will be accessible without a hefty 10 bucks

[cursive epoch]

omg was it the hawaiian man one

[keen kernel]

what?...

[slender shore]

hefty 10 $

[steady cipher]

I have read it you’re misinterpreting or I’m not making my point properly

[flat bough]

Tbh I'm just waiting for the boot of em lmao

[pallid lava]

So you're saying you think that you have to pay 10$ every month to keep it correct?

[steady cipher]

No

[slender shore]

me when im buying a 5090

[left steppe]

How much did you play VRChat?

[white garden]

i wanted to be original and i made my own customized one. with my vrc avatar, fake address, birthdate little close to my actual age, and such

[fluid bane]

I also love burning down my house

[bitter pollen]

Idk about that I personally would think if its a free game I'd worry about it around black markets

[cursive epoch]

ohh thats smart and cool, i wanna make an asset like that for myself

[slender shore]

need a room, i mean apartment heater

[pallid lava]

So you just want age verification to be free instead of having a payment for the service ?

[latent mango]

Me when new games cost 70$+ and don't even remotely give the play time VRChat does

[bitter pollen]

As always, if its free, you're the product

[white garden]

I made it in photoshop, I used the state of ohio for mine, it's not too hard if u have some skills

[white garden]

mood

[latent mango]

Or others have to compensate for you, which is VRChat's model

[steady cipher]

This is a bad take since you make use of all your vrc+ features

[cursive epoch]

id make it fully vrc based like address is my homeworld and stuff

[white garden]

honestly i made my location a donut shop in ohio

[zealous nacelle]

hi

[pallid lava]

Muu has to walk away

[white garden]

go eep muu

[cursive epoch]

you are so real for that

[keen kernel]

run away now you still can

[fluid bane]

it's because grey markets hurt developers more than piracy. whereas piracy is maybe a lost sale here and there, grey market keys (cdkeys.com for example) are often acquired using stolen credit cards to be resold which actively takes money away from developers when they have to deal with the chargebacks

[steady cipher]

53 hours since I can only play on pc since iOS beta will never leave beta and most of it is just avatar dev

[zealous nacelle]

why

[bitter pollen]

Guy named away: 😊

[white garden]

im not even from ohio, i was tempted to make my location skibidi ohio

[left steppe]

Do you look at Ikea furniture and then get mad because you can only buy the entire chair but you actually just want one leg?

[bitter pollen]

Ooooh that yeah fuck that

[pallid lava]

Muu naps for monster Hunter @rocky thorn good luck budy 🫡

[steady cipher]

Better example would be a furniture set but you go king

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-laughing-hysterically-gif-26398146

[left steppe]

Then dont worry about verification yet. Just play a little bit more, maybe someone even gifts you vrc+, that happens often

[bitter pollen]

Thought you meant as in black market kind of grey

[white garden]

i want to go to ikea again just to get more blahaj's

[keen kernel]

nothing, hewwo ^w^

[steady cipher]

Why would I open the game knowing content is gated

[zealous nacelle]

hawwo

[left steppe]

What content is gated, you told us you wouldnt make use of the content that costs money

[steady cipher]

The existence of verification incentivizes me to not even open vrchat until I can get it

[white garden]

then spend $10.00 and be quiet

[fluid bane]

no I meant key resellers in general, greenmangaming is the only legitimate one actually partnering directly with Steam and publishers to my knowledge

[keen kernel]

you are pissing me off

[latent mango]

Have fun with your time off then

[left steppe]

There arent many 18+ instances yet anyways

[keen kernel]

how are you? c:

[white garden]

ty,

[zealous nacelle]

sleepy

im laying down

[steady cipher]

Am I being confusing somehow I don’t know what I’m failing to convey

[bitter pollen]

Yeah actually I think that equally ticks me off as much as pirating lmao

[pallid lava]

No you're just being kind of entitled

[keen kernel]

better rest enough ^w^

[steady cipher]

How is it entitled to want a one time payment for verification

[zealous nacelle]

thats how it works

[brave raft]

on an unrelated note I started playing ffxiv again

[cursive epoch]

it is one time

[pallid lava]

Because there already IS one time payment

[keen kernel]

t h e r e i s o n e

[cursive epoch]

you pay 10 dollars, cancel boom done

[zealous nacelle]

oops, misunderstanding

[pallid lava]

We've been TELLING you that

[cursive epoch]

it sticks

[zealous nacelle]

guys calmmm downnn

[fluid bane]

buh buh I want it cheaper rahhhhhhhhh

[cursive epoch]

doesnt go away when the sub goes out

[pallid lava]

Oh I play...

[steady cipher]

It’s not a one time payment for verification

[cursive epoch]

it is

[white garden]

but everyone, i want everyone to pay for it for me

[pallid lava]

Yes it is

[cursive epoch]

you pay vrc+ once, thats it

[steady cipher]

It’s a one time payment to a cancellable subscription that provides it in its list of features

[zealous nacelle]

it is trust me, you only need to get vrc+ once to verify and thats it

[steady cipher]

I don’t want vrc+

[brave raft]

you don't have to maintain vrc+ to stay verified

[bitter pollen]

Can't get it paid for me? Grrrr I hate vrchat

[cursive epoch]

bro

[steady cipher]

People when they can’t read

[pallid lava]

I'm going to jump off my roof

[left steppe]

"It’s a one time payment" there you just said it

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/timon-hold-me-back-liong-king-gif-10658271

[rocky thorn]

Good luck! Enjoy the launch

[fluid bane]

I'll get the trampoline

[zealous nacelle]

you just consider the 10 bucks as the verification fee i guess

[steady cipher]

For 9 dollars of services I don’t want

[white garden]

Muu, focus all the energy on eeping plz, you got monster hunter tonight. we got this.

[cursive epoch]

then dont use the service, just use to verify

[bitter pollen]

I think this guy just wants the verification tho like as in a separate feature rather than bundled, in this case as a subscription. That's again basic business though. Welcome to the world lil bro

[fluid bane]

I need to see if I can finish this asset for my booth before Wilds opens up

[pallid lava]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anger-angry-annoyed-annoy-gif-1201591705503717426

[keen kernel]

nuuuu :c

[brave raft]

I did white mage to lvl60 but I did it on a different datacenter than the rest of my friends so I abandoned it and now I'm doing archer on their datacenter

[cursive epoch]

smh muu

[steady cipher]

If I only use it to verify then yes it is 10 dollar barrier of entry just to verify

[pallid lava]

What center are you on

[bleak orchid]

the haters are mad they can't grimp my style

[steady cipher]

I have no use for anything the subscription provides

[cursive epoch]

picky picky

[slender shore]

you want this isp speed? okey wich tv stations do you want bundled ,, you dont want tv ?? but you must ! its in the package (places here) uugh

[white garden]

cept age verification 🙂

[pallid lava]

Creating imaginary problems ✨

[brave raft]

NA, Crystal, Diabolos

[cursive epoch]

oooh muu guess what

[tender swan]

Then dont and wait untill they figure out another way like they said they want to find

[steady cipher]

I’m not some social butterfly that wants fancy animated stickers and 5000 favorites

[cursive epoch]

i have this buffalo chicken salad, its SO good

[keen kernel]

you are blocked now

[pallid lava]

I'm on chaos - Moogle

[steady cipher]

They have no plans to

[pallid lava]

His?

[steady cipher]

Average discord user announcing the block feature

[fluid bane]

did bro really just try to insult people for being social

[tender swan]

Oh your part of the devs team? You know more then what they wrote in there own posts?

[keen kernel]

i need to calm down xD see ya later everyone ^w^

[cursive epoch]

#vrchat-general-1 message

[steady cipher]

How is it insulting to say I’m not social

[slender shore]

okey blocked (wont say who) secret

[sinful lion]

Mango Muu 🥭

[rocky thorn]

Oh, since you guys are discussing it, I also play FFXIV!

[pallid lava]

Oh delicious

[pallid lava]

That IS my favorite fruit

[zealous nacelle]

@steady cipher the reason why making it a separate thing isnt a great option for vrc is because when you have an already existing subscription model running through steam (which makes handling payments way easier) then it wouldnt be viable to jump through the hoops of setting up a new payment system and somehow making it direct to persona without any additional transaction fees

[cursive epoch]

it has blue cheese though, no likey

[left steppe]

We reached his token limit, he forgot the previous messages

[pallid lava]

What server 💅🏻

[zealous nacelle]

atleast thats what i think happened

[rocky thorn]

Aether, Faerie

[steady cipher]

Yes when a corpo can siphon you for profit it makes sense to “have no plans” to change the system

[fluid bane]

you can say you're not social without talking down on people who are in the same breath

[pallid lava]

I think u can visit me

I'm on chaos- Moogle

[zealous nacelle]

vrc isnt a corpo

[steady cipher]

Turns out making profit off a service you can claim as expensive is PROFITABLE

[brave raft]

my main goal is to get to nier duty

[steady cipher]

Yes it is

[zealous nacelle]

i think you got the meaning of corporation messed up

[rocky thorn]

I'd be down to hang with you two sometime, I'm clearing FRU either today or tomorrow (hopefully before MH)

[bitter pollen]

See i kinda get the guys frustration tbh and by business means, they should in my opinion offer a one time fee, but make it so its more expensive than it's actual verification cost so I say $5. That then makes vrc+ look more attractive when it says something like oh btw you get this all if you get this plan instead for a month wowzers

[tender swan]

Implementing your own payment system isnt easy lmao
From the legal trouble, extra support work and developer knowledge its a costly step to do, there is a reason most games/platforms use premade systems and lose a bit of there income to them

[steady cipher]

Sorry if it came across that I have nothing against folks who do use all of the social features vrc+ provides my issue is the value you get from it is very diminishing if you don’t make use of them if that makes sense

[latent mango]

Awa!

[pallid lava]

Good luck I just recently started back up o got level 50

[rocky thorn]

I still use your tool :)

[latent mango]

[brave raft]

it's a private company

[pallid lava]

Paul makes a tool?

[steady cipher]

...still a company?? what

[zealous nacelle]

hairball

[brave raft]

you said corporation

[zealous nacelle]

does vrc have stocks

[steady cipher]

Yea my bad

Both be feasting for your wallet

[steady cipher]

I just wish the announcement team was less manipulative

[zealous nacelle]

except if they were theyd make vrc+ and other things like credit feel like a must have

[fluid bane]

me when people need to make money to put food on the table and keep the services I use going

[pallid lava]

I'm gonna mcfucking lose it

[zealous nacelle]

nobody’s manipulating you here you’re just paranoid

[tender swan]

Fairly sure if VRC could go 'non-profit' they would do it, but seeing how that doesnt pay for the server costs or employee wages 👀

[zealous nacelle]

[steady cipher]

To announce a thing as early access gives the guise that it'll eventually leave early access

Then in #vrchat-general-1 and not a announcement they say it isn't actually changing

So then what's the early access?

[bleak orchid]

what does that have to do with it not being behind vrc+

[zealous nacelle]

it was early access for groups

[rocky thorn]

[steady cipher]

No the announcement for the sub wall was the early access

[latent mango]

The way you can use it in game?

[pallid lava]

I'm gonna bite em.

[zealous nacelle]

now it became a thing for all vrc+ users

[steady cipher]

beta was the beta

[tender swan]

announced past
Doesnt mean they arent looking into things my dude

[pallid lava]

No no, hinki is clearly the victim

[steady cipher]

Just saying it is manipulation to announce early access then backtrack it silently

[true bear]

they are private

[pallid lava]

They're being manipulated

[steady cipher]

People are more likely to spend when they think it's the only option

[left steppe]

anyone have any hehe silly stories from their day?

[pallid lava]

Strong armed

[zealous nacelle]

i know, rhetorical question

[bleak orchid]

isn't that just marketing

[steady cipher]

Most marketing doesn't rugpull

[fluid bane]

The early access was it being locked to specific groups with limited slots

[true bear]

rugpull is crazy what

[zealous nacelle]

okay now you’re just throwing terms around

[bleak orchid]

no rugs have been pulled

[true bear]

[zealous nacelle]

what does this have to do with rugpulling

[bleak orchid]

?????

[rocky thorn]

Lmao

[pallid lava]

Someone in final fantasy today came up to me asked if I was new and then gave me so much stuff I had to empty my inventory

[steady cipher]

Then why would they keep the early access tag when it was available to all vrc+ payers

[bleak orchid]

my guy

[latent mango]

Tbf the way it's implement in what can be done in game with it also still is likely gonna see improvements.
Probably gonna se changes / other use ways.

But that doesn't mean the payment way also is early access.

[steady cipher]

Only other case is if they just don't communicate with the announcement guy

[pallid lava]

A true crusader

[left steppe]

but were you new or did you just scam them 😭

[fluid bane]

See what fpaul said

[bleak orchid]

I wish I had the time to spare to be openly upset about this kind of shit lmao

[true bear]

[white garden]

zana isn't lieing, age verification had limited slots in certain groups. i was in one such groups. When the news dropped that age verification was dropped people were spamming groups to try to get age verified.

[pallid lava]

Oh yeah I'm very new, if you are there's a little sprout next to your name LOL

[zealous nacelle]

they can keep it for as long as they want if they feel like there’s work that could be done to improve said feature

thats just common sense

[queen sand]

I'm buying a new headset

[steady cipher]

If only what they said was in the announcement

[fluid bane]

Boohoo

[pallid lava]

They're very nice in the FF community

They are girls girls there I s2g

[tender swan]

As they would love to implement it for non VRC+ subscribers in one way or another, but for now there isnt anything announced about it.
The team has stated before they dont wanna say things and not follow up in the future, so they rather say 'we look into it' and actually push it live once they figured out a way.

[pallid lava]

Oh and this older player yelled at a bad tank for stressing me out that was kinda funny

[steady cipher]

we're currently expanding to just VRC+ members.

To have this be in the FAQ but then also directly stated that it won't ever change

[rocky thorn]

This conversation feels like it has gone in circles for hours

[steady cipher]

Like it's just manipulating users to think they can ONLY pay for it

[pallid lava]

" why are you using the mage for a meat shield??? You can pull aggro "

[zealous nacelle]

and its not like saying “we’ll look into it” means they’ll 100% change something

it just means status quo, nothing more nothing less

[tender swan]

Where tf does it say anywhere they dont wanna change it

[steady cipher]

in this channel brother

[tender swan]

Im blind, point it out for me.

[true bear]

https://tenor.com/view/average-conversation-in-this-server-discord-server-donowall-ignored-gif-2054677438560113125

[steady cipher]

#vrchat-general-1 message

[zealous nacelle]

point where they said it wont ever change

[steady cipher]

from spark themselves

We don't have any plans to announce beyond that

[tender swan]

Doesnt say what your claiming it does

[rocky thorn]

that literally says we have no plans to announce beyond the current state, that's all

[steady cipher]

That doesn't match "currently expanding"

[tranquil coral]

Hawk tuah

[bleak orchid]

honk tuna shit on that thang

[zealous nacelle]

you know that doesnt mean from now until all eternity

they could change their minds

[lean echo]

Oooh am I missing stupid drama?! Let's goooo

[bleak orchid]

the stupidest

[lean echo]

[zealous nacelle]

its literally called plans

[steady cipher]

Catch me when vrchat company actually chooses to not make 9 dollars of profit for verification

[pallid lava]

Don't you have like monster Hunter to get ready for @steady cipher

[tender swan]

Does it say 'we wont ever change this! Even if a nice and handy solution gets cooked up'?
Pretty sure it says they right now dont have any alternative way figured out, as they have stated before, just like how they want an alternative way.

[bleak orchid]

ok. does that mean you're going

[lean echo]

I don't plan to shit my pants later, doesn't mean it won't happen

[steady cipher]

Wrong ping?

[true bear]

making profit is evil apparently

[zealous nacelle]

hardly, considering the verification cost and steam’s cut

[fluid bane]

Currently expanding from limited groups and slots to vrc+ members, no plans for further expansion at the moment

[slender shore]

🍔 its like watching someone put pineapple on a burger

[pallid lava]

No I'm saying don't you have something better to be doing?

[fluid bane]

Reading is very difficult

[pallid lava]

Like literally anything.

[tender swan]

Yeah we need good non profits like OpenAI that totally dont rake in cash

[steady cipher]

There is no steam cut

[true bear]

fuck openai they can smd

[slender shore]

woo caps

[tender swan]

Give them 2 years and they might

[fluid bane]

Steam takes 30% of all money going through it

[left steppe]

bruh

[latent mango]

... yes there is?
Steam, Meta and Google play will take 30% of the payments xD
Pretty much branch standard sadly.

[rocky thorn]

It is actually very funny that my post was somehow misconstrued for that because I thought they were talking about something else the entire time

My post is literally just repeating what we said in our blog post: "To control costs, we're currently expanding to just VRC+ members."

[zealous nacelle]

sobbing right now

[true bear]

“open”ai

[steady cipher]

But good point I should buy only on steam so I pay the better company, instead of in the vrchat app

[cursive epoch]

Hi bedhair

[latent mango]

Those 30% would go to google, not VRChat.

[steady cipher]

Fine by me

[true bear]

bipp wtf is ur new profile

[zealous nacelle]

?? are you delulu

[cursive epoch]

i like harley

[steady cipher]

Apple takes a higher % afaik

[zealous nacelle]

“in the vrchat app” vrchat doesnt handle the transaction anyways

[pallid lava]

No no don't tell them

[tender swan]

Deepseek tho 🇨🇳

[lean echo]

Bro looking for any hill to die on

[zealous nacelle]

thats why they use a 3rd party like steam

[pallid lava]

Anyway who's playing monster Hunter

Mindless no no

[zealous nacelle]

thats why they dont make it so verification is excluded from the subscription

[lean echo]

I'm huntin ur mom. So same thing?

[zealous nacelle]

because its hard to set up a dedicated system

and costly

[cursive epoch]

is it free

[pallid lava]

You know what that's the only time I've ever seen this joke work for my mother

[latent mango]

Tbf they can have one time payments on those platforms too.
But that's a completely new system to implement.
While making it VRC+ tied was a instant available solution.

[pallid lava]

Congratulations

[steady cipher]

"hard" "costly" it barely costs vrchat anything to provide them

[pallid lava]

No... It's 69$

[true bear]

which number bipp phase is this

[cursive epoch]

fuck

[zealous nacelle]

youd have to figure out how to give that money to persona

[lean echo]

Your mother employes jokes? How well does she pay?

[zealous nacelle]

its like a 4th party

[latent mango]

?
The same way it works now with VRC+

[bleak orchid]

it's insane to me that you're complaining so much about something you've obviously looked so little into

[slender shore]

seen the places wich have 5090 cards but they bundle alot of other random components to get rid of it, 'buy this bundle and get a 500w psu wich cant even be used with it'

[pallid lava]

God I wish she'd be a lot less scary

[cursive epoch]

you didnt know me when my profile was like this before, im just sidling through

[steady cipher]

Prove me wrong

[bleak orchid]

nah, keep going

[steady cipher]

How is it expensive when they make 10 dollars per verification on users that are one time purchasers of vrc+

[cursive epoch]

i got really tired of being bipp

[true bear]

i knew yo mama tho

[lean echo]

"I'm wrong, and now it's your problem to prove to me that I'm wrong, so I can tell you that you're wrong anyways"

[zealous nacelle]

can persona get their money from steam directly or any other app

[cursive epoch]

nuh uh

[steady cipher]

So not even including recursive subscribers

[zealous nacelle]

i mean they probably can but

theyd have to set up something

[fluid bane]

Well they dont make 10 dollars, for one

[tender swan]

Because they dont make 10 from your subscription as you made clear earlier

[bleak orchid]

this is exactly my point lmao

[steady cipher]

they make 9 dollars instead 😱

[tender swan]

Still not correct

[lean echo]

I don't even know what anyone is talking about.

[steady cipher]

You wouldn't know since you don't work for vrchat

[steady cipher]

it probably costs even less per user

[latent mango]

Again, already 30% drop of the 10$ so 7$ without any internal handling / tax shenanigans yet.

[pallid lava]

No there's still between 30-45% taken by either steam- apple- Google

[lean echo]

Is this pure speculation?

[keen kernel]

i'm back ^w^

[steady cipher]

Sorry that vrchat company sucks at implementing paid features

that's a you problem FPaul not a me problem

[bleak orchid]

who hurt you

[steady cipher]

Why do I get shafted for bad management

[keen kernel]

he's still going?

[lean echo]

FPaul isn't even employed by vrc

[brave raft]

pure shaboingery

[slender shore]

ramble of the week right here

[pallid lava]

Hinki can't read

[steady cipher]

Turns out many apps just use a web portal for paying for things to dodge the man in the middle

[lean echo]

Such a technical term.

[steady cipher]

But VRChat really wants you to feel bad for your payment cut

[latent mango]

I'm not sure what exactly my problem is supposed to be here.
I'm just trying to help you learn math properly.
And 30% of 10$ are 3$ which leaves 7$ as a reminder that reaches VRChat.

[tender swan]

If VRC was good at making payment processors, they would be selling that and not an almost unmonitizable live service game

[zealous nacelle]

foxy

[zealous nacelle]

nono its your problem

[bleak orchid]

have you considered simply not purchasing the product

[steady cipher]

Sorry the company only makes 6 dollars per user per verification 🥺

How will y'all afford dinner

[fluid bane]

Many apps don't, actually. And you know doing so also costs money?

[steady cipher]

(not including data collection)

[zealous nacelle]

me frr fr

[lean echo]

Yay

[zealous nacelle]

dude ive been saying

[latent mango]

Source: I made it up

[steady cipher]

Offering paypal and basic CC functionality is so very cheap

[zealous nacelle]

“i could go for a drink” for a solid week now

[tender swan]

They can run like a few seconds of development of that 👍

[bleak orchid]

do you have an actual point or are you just being cynical and inflamatory to stroke your ego

[lean echo]

makes shit up

"It's your problem now, prove me wrong"

[fluid bane]

Then PayPal takes a cut as the payment processor

[zealous nacelle]

but im too lazy

[pallid lava]

But if that's all they charge what's the issue? The servers have to run, they have to pay the people that work for them, do you think running ads before every instance and in-between your time in an instance would be better?

[latent mango]

Okay.. but you can't take any payments outside those platforms without breaching their TOS and getting booted of the store. 🙃

[tender swan]

Those are also platforms that take a cut lmao
And your forced to hire more people to handle support/legal stuff then instead of letting steam do that for ya

[pallid lava]

Like can you imagine being in the middle of w conversation and getting slapped with an ad?

[steady cipher]

I'm saying vrchat chooses to take the most expensive route, then takes the role of the victim, on a service they still make profit off of

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-doll-the-salesman-train-to-busan-gong-yoo-gif-24377334

[tender swan]

Alright what is the alternative then?
As just 'use paypal' isnt it as we explained.

[zealous nacelle]

how are they taking the role of the victim

[latent mango]

VRChat HAS TO USE the platform's payment processing because that's the platform's rules.

[zealous nacelle]

whut

[tender swan]

They cant make it free without it costing them a lot with how easy it would be to abuse that way.

[steady cipher]

Other apps manage

[lean echo]

Source? Are you some form of insider? Do you work in this industry with advanced knowledge of how these systems function or are you just speculating based on nothing?

[true bear]

bro feinin for age verification

[tender swan]

Almost makes ya wonder what he wants to do with it

[zealous nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nanachi-made-in-abyss-made-in-abyss-season2-anime-ナナチ-gif-26144993

[latent mango]

You mean like how FFXIV has a litterally separte subcscription system for the Steam version vs the other versions because the steam version requires them to have everything processed trough steam?

[steady cipher]

I just don't wanna be paywalled on content, not at a steep 10 bucks

[true bear]

how is 10 bucks steep

[fluid bane]

Things that cost money:

• using an external payment processor (steam, PayPal, Google, etc)
• being your own payment processor (now you have to employ people and deal with all the things involved in handling money)
• server maintenance
• having employees
• using trusted external services for things like age verification (cheaper than doing it yourself)

[lean echo]

So vrc should be entirely free with no income source?

[zealous nacelle]

how is 10 steep anyways

[steady cipher]

On Discord I can pay 10 dollars and join 200 freaking servers

[zealous nacelle]

thats a whole other thing i know but still

[lean echo]

Discord hardly gives u shit for nitro

[steady cipher]

both 10 dollars brother

[zealous nacelle]

they give me my shark boy banners

[tender swan]

If a one time 10 bucks is steep you should not be allowed near adult places anyway

[zealous nacelle]

and ban my 2017 account

[lean echo]

I pay 50$ a month on nitro just to have a fkn custom url for my server

[steady cipher]

My problem is vrc+ is such a dogshit paywall

[lean echo]

Then don't buy it.

[true bear]

then dont buy it

[steady cipher]

But I have to eventually

[tender swan]

No?

[lean echo]

No you don't

[bleak orchid]

no you don

[zealous nacelle]

no you dont

[true bear]

why

[keen kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[steady cipher]

Because "there's no plans" to have me not pay for it

[bleak orchid]

wh

[lean echo]

Nobody is forcing you to buy shit.

[zealous nacelle]

age verification isnt necessary

[tender swan]

Why do you so badly need the 18+ tag my dude?

[zealous nacelle]

90% of instances run without it

[lean echo]

Gotta collect all the tags! Lmfao

[steady cipher]

Yes they are? I literally cannot play vrchat without paying for vrc+ because company wants money

[bleak orchid]

ok is that unreasonable tho?

[steady cipher]

MORE money than the service is worth I mean

[lean echo]

Wat absolute nonsense

[zealous nacelle]

me when i fuckin lie

[bleak orchid]

then stop using it ❤️

[left steppe]

already tried telling them this

[slender shore]

no

[zealous nacelle]

you just said its shit

[steady cipher]

Who willingly plays vrchat knowing they are gated from most worlds

Like non verified users

[lean echo]

Crazy I have over 20k hours in vrc and maybe payed for like 3 months of vrc+ ever

[left steppe]

most

[true bear]

bro fr said most

[zealous nacelle]

how is 10% or less “most”

[tender swan]

Ok so we are just lying now with the 'most' and 'its a must' right now for fun?

[zealous nacelle]

mfw

[steady cipher]

It aint 10% unless you're counting bots and stagnating accounts

[bleak orchid]

crazy

[lean echo]

Source?

[zealous nacelle]

do you think we dont play the game my good brother in christ

[bleak orchid]

again, my point

[tender swan]

Flat out lying is cool guys

[left steppe]

Im starting to actually think verifying would do nothing because you aren't 18+ anyways

[steady cipher]

you have vrc+ so you're the metric my man

[fluid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-mr-knight-source-i-made-it-up-funny-gif-25342188

[lean echo]

And you don't. So you're also a metric

[true bear]

yeah and i aint see no age verification instances around

[bleak orchid]

was this like, a roast?

[zealous nacelle]

i bought it this month to get verified and im not missing those 10 bucks, im not exactly a veteran

[true bear]

lmfao

[tender swan]

If you need it so badly go E-beg for someone to gift it to you 🙃

[zealous nacelle]

i could buy 3000 more

[steady cipher]

I haven't opened vrchat for anything other than avatar debugging since it dropped so no I'm not the metric

[lean echo]

That is a metric tho.

[tender swan]

So you admit you flat out lied?

[fluid bane]

sounds like you don't need age verification then

[bleak orchid]

then why do you need age verification

[latent mango]

Then why would Age Verification even be a matter for you

[tender swan]

As you have no way to know to know if its 'most worlds' or not

[lean echo]

I never play vrc, I'm just here to bitch

[steady cipher]

Because if I had it I could actually join worlds

[keen kernel]

guys i have an idea: ignore him

[slender shore]

already on it

[latent mango]

But you said you don't even actually play just now

[bleak orchid]

you already choose not to tho?

[fluid bane]

I'm not verified and I've never had any issue joining worlds

[lean echo]

I've never once ever even been to an 18+ world and play like 60 hours a week lmfao

[bleak orchid]

this logic is CRAZY to me

[steady cipher]

Because I can't do anything since unverified

[bleak orchid]

this can't be real

this is a bit

[fluid bane]

chat is this real

[zealous nacelle]

did you try gr-

[steady cipher]

I would open vrchat for actually playing if I could buy a verification

[subtle ferry]

grimpy?

[lean echo]

This is absolute nonsense bullshit lies

[latent mango]

But you can do pretty much most things without age verification

[bleak orchid]

nah. not buying it

no you wouldn't

[steady cipher]

Why wouldn't I

[left steppe]

bro is hallucinating

[bleak orchid]

because you can

[tender swan]

But zana! You forget that you cant join 90% of all worlds now! Everyone in VRC lives in 18+ lobbies, all those events are totally 18+ only too!

[steady cipher]

I cannot, not at value

[lean echo]

Because you're spouting bullshit anyways

[bleak orchid]

ok then bye

[zealous nacelle]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6ZOmzsjKgeBr27rWAw2HGR?si=d68180ef91b04c5d

[lean echo]

opens game

Literally thousands of instances you can join

Countless worlds

Finds one single 18+ instance

"This game is unplayable"

[zealous nacelle]

me when i

[tender swan]

If only you were as smart as Hinki and could just know things without experiencing or seeing them 🙏

[tired scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-fumo-touhou-fumo-plush-gif-23217054