android-discussion

[little furnace]

In the East, standalone launchers on Android are actually far far more popular

[half tapir]

yeah i thought fpaul meant something like that. You download an installer basically that downloads the apk for you

but this would result in 2 seperate installs

[little furnace]

No. What he's talking about is a stub launcher

[half tapir]

then fortnite loads its assets while you run fortnite

[vale edge]

cod is like 2gb and has no downloader and is on the play store, Fortnite is not on the play store and has its own downloader.

Fortnite and I think genshin are the only games that I have played personally that use downloaders.

[half tapir]

yeah fortnite requires 3 seperate download instances

launcher apk, fortnite apk and in-app download of the game

[vale edge]

Lmao yeah

[half tapir]

the latter being what people probably mean here for vrchat

[little furnace]

It does not make any sense for VRC to use a standalone launcher to try and bypass the Play Store

They don't have the market for that

I mean sure they could potentially have that on the side

[half tapir]

yeah so vrchat would skip the first thing and just go with the other 2

[little furnace]

I have plenty of apps that have a standalone APK version as a way to get around Google Play policies but when you are a big company, you can't play that game as easily

[vale edge]

Is anyone suggesting that?

[little furnace]

It's just most likely going to be what is very very standard in mobile games where you have a small 30 to 40 megabytes stub download which is the main binary and everything needed to get you through the initial onboarding

And then once you create the account or sign in etc, it downloads the rest of the content

That's just mobile app onboarding

[half tapir]

rest of the content being avatars and worlds

[little furnace]

You want as little friction as possible for people to get going

No. Rest of the content being everything that makes VRC work

But that is dependent on a lot of factors if they can actually decouple that much

[half tapir]

the whole apk of vrchat is pretty small so an ingame download of the game would be fast

[hasty stratus]

Gacha games also download their assets after install

[little furnace]

Even then, if they can break it down such that you can create an account login and start the tutorial without needing to download the rest of the assets, that would be a far superior onboarding experience because they could either download in the background or let you get through the setup

[hasty stratus]

There's also two other games (Simpsons and family guy) that do as well

[half tapir]

given vrchats very small size on mobile i think it can just download everything in one go

[little furnace]

Yeah. The onboarding experience of a mobile app is incredibly important. The more time it takes to get it open, the higher the chance the person just closes it and never opens it again

[little furnace]

600mb isn't "very small"

[half tapir]

the apk is not even 50MB

[hasty stratus]

How big is it on Quest?

[half tapir]

on quest multiple hundreds MB

[hasty stratus]

So are they correct?

[reef venture]

I do not know. This game just launched on Android. Moreover, there are countless Android phones. If you have a lot of money, buy redmagic, if you have less money, there are many other phones for you to choose from. I swear you should not buy a ROG Asus phone, that phone at my house has a bunch of broken charging pins and other burned circuits, I have to re-solder the power pins constantly to the point of getting bored. It may take another 3~5 years to have a stable 60fps on Vrchat Mobile.

[half tapir]

On android the downloaded apk from playstore gets shown as less than 50MB when extracted

[vale edge]

Downloading off app store for me shows 176mb and finishes in a split second

[hasty stratus]

No need to flex the fast downspeed

[vale edge]

I wasn't flexing. Just clarifying that it downloaded fast to confirm it was indeed small

Size in storage is around 800mb. Download APK from the store is def under 200. I can only see mine tho, and I don't recall what the initial launch apk size was to know if it changed with the initial update.

[vale edge]

Interesting. I don't know play store functionality enough to understand the difference

[hasty stratus]

Mine post install reads 889 MB and stopped by subscription gate

[vale edge]

Yes. It takes up around 800mb in storage like mentioned

[hasty stratus]

Also, compression

[half tapir]

my screenshot shows the raw apk file

not installed

[vale edge]

Indeed

[half tapir]

i dont need to have it installed as i cant even use it haha

but i extracted that apk myself

not downloaded on some site

[vale edge]

Same. It runs fine but the game is basically unusable because of mic issues and audio crashing for me. Just waiting for an update.

[half tapir]

i cant login into the game

[vale edge]

Lol oof

[half tapir]

no vrc+

[vale edge]

All those people loving your avatar edits and none will hook ya up with a month of VRC+

Work yo fans

[half tapir]

but even then its unplayable for me too

i would need to be in a freezer to be able to play it

[vale edge]

Oof. Luckily my phone hardly even warms up

[half tapir]

mine overheats to the point it reduces performance until im at 12fps

[vale edge]

Yikes. Do you have a case on?

[half tapir]

in a empty world

yes

[reef venture]

😹

[vale edge]

Cases will drastically impact thermals. I can't play any game with a case on my phone for more than a few min without thermal throttling. Without a case I can play for hours.

Fortnite throttles immediately to unplayability with a. Case

[half tapir]

my old phone i couldnt even hold in my hand properly without a case

[reef venture]

Be careful if it's too hot or it will cause the veins to expand.

[vale edge]

Fair. I use a bumper. It's just the edge of the phone covered. The back is exposed entirely so it can cool down. The edge bumper makes it easier to hold

[half tapir]

never heard of that

[vale edge]

Yeah. Mainly did it for using wireless charging but it worked out lol.

You can always mount your phone to an AC vent lmfao

[half tapir]

i would definitely need something to protect against falling

my phone constantly falls out of my bed lmao

[vale edge]

Yeah the bumper helps but it is still exposed

The edges of the case are raised so the screen or back can't actually touch the ground

Still not a lot of protection tho

But I just buy 150 ish $ phones so I don't really care

[half tapir]

mine is double that

[reef venture]

Maybe you should buy this. Hot and cold radiator.

[vale edge]

That's not a radiator, nor can it produce cold air.

But little clip on fans can be useful

[reef venture]

I've been using that for over a year now. reduce 10~15 degrees. My phone temperature fluctuates 45~55 degrees when playing nintendo switch emulator on EGG.

[vale edge]

Yeah. Little fans can be useful

Airflow is always helpful lol.

[reef venture]

It's OK. It cools like a refrigerator. Sometimes it even drips a little water mist.

[vale edge]

Wat. How can that tiny fan have a refrigerant cycle and heat exchanger?

[reef venture]

Here is the picture you can refer to.

[vale edge]

Yeah... That's just a normal cooler. There's no refrigerant cycle

Ah nah. I see how it's setup now. Everything being in Thai or whatever wasn't helpful lmao.

[reef venture]

That is produced a lot by Chinese magicians. We can call that square a peltier chip.

[vale edge]

Yeah. I see that now. I had to look it up on the English site

Interesting.

[reef venture]

🫡

[vale edge]

Update is live

[torpid quest]

Just got the new update... Tried it out and uh... Some issues yes. X)
It 'detected a debugger' and crashed out while it was locking up while I was trying to talk to people. Oh well. X)

[ancient birch]

Ty for telling me

Now I can play idle Home with my friends while I'm at work

[ancient birch]

LMAOOO

"Cannot Join Instance" 💀💀

[muted kayak]

HAHAHA

[native igloo]

Can you add these link to #android-announcements also?

[tranquil fulcrum]

Does anyone know about the setting, "Show Secondary UI"?
I cannot realize what is the difference between On and Off...

[mystic moat]

that seem safe o.O

someone going be in vrchat and running off the road and hit someone or something

[glad creek]

I wonder if it’ll play Vrchat..

[silent quartz]

No

[ancient birch]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

His phone

[silent quartz]

Agreed

[hybrid tendon]

At least it's not a Galaxy Note 7

[potent obsidian]

Anyone know how to fix this I've re-downloaded it multiple times and have given it all permissions

[ancient birch]

That just means you didn't allow the mic for the app or whenever it gives up that pop up as it loads you must have clicked cancel.

At least that's my experience with the same message

Basically whatever that's needed for the app (like the mic for ex) you must have denied or cancel

[potent obsidian]

I'm able to use my mic just fine and I clicked always allow

[ancient birch]

Hmm

I'm not sure then

That was just my experience so I gave you what I had when I denied the mic before

[ancient birch]

Just check the settings of your app and make sure everything needed is enabled

[potent obsidian]

They are

I'm able to load into worlds just fine and talk to them but it keeps popping up

[grim stirrup]

Question about Vrchat on mobile, the ones who are on phones, how can they interact with someone who's on PC and Quest, is it through open-beta?

[naive bluff]

Uh. I mean, if it's Quest-compatible.

[ancient birch]

Bad internet? That's the only time the loading screen takes long. Either that or the world is too much for me, and so I just crash

[ancient birch]

I normally just click okay. Maube it's nothing to worry about. I was told it's a wrong perms issue.

"Probably no storage access permissions enabled" is what I was told

Not sure then

I try to be helpful ;^;

[glad creek]

It’s an S7 edge, in a Note7 color lmao

[hybrid tendon]

Crazy

[warped thistle]

Hi, I have a little problème, when i use my Bluetooth headset (Sony wh-1000xm3 and airpods 2) I hear never things but people can hear me

[hybrid tendon]

Why can't people hear me when I talk

[grand zenith]

Are you hitting the PTT button? :3

[hybrid tendon]

Yes

It will show my mouth moving but they can hear me

Cant

[hallow vale]

i knew this might be possible. what about vrchat on da Samsung smart fridge

[hallow vale]

https://youtu.be/AmTJBlNYxc0?si=soGVxE1VtGvEBkcL

[lethal ether]

has anyone tried vrchat on a google tv yet?

[modern zinc]

Nah I'm not risking my tv exploding

[ancient birch]

Thye have audio issues sometimes

[ancient birch]

Bluetooth mostly

[terse fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[merry edge]

So cool I want to learn how to do that

[grim hare]

Just saw the client updated! (I haven't been paying too much attention)

Do we have expressions menu yet?

[native igloo]

check here. https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/19659443577491-VRChat-Mobile-Controls

[vale edge]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-202332m

[grim hare]

Thank you so much!! I didn't know we had the actions menu

[regal plume]

W EATS

[smoky dagger]

On my mother's word where my food at.

[supple spruce]

Clouds

[ancient birch]

Where and what is that?

[supple spruce]

It's a mystery

[ancient birch]

It doesn't look like vrchat xD

[grim hare]

screenshot says paraspace... definitely not vrchat

[supple spruce]

XD

The worlds are still used by the same game engine. Unity

[ancient birch]

Paraspace. VRC take notes

Like they don't have an avatar search but you can still look through avatars without finding them through people. Can't use vr but can still move your hands around.

Even has a good camera

[pearl mulch]

first time hearing of the platform

[ancient birch]

My phone still gets a little hot but its pretty cool.

More warm than hot comparatively to vrchat

[pearl mulch]

curious that it doesn't have a PC build at all?

[ancient birch]

Someone that I met on there said it's just for mobile

[pearl mulch]

which is kind of funny given the whole you require a Windows PC to upload anything

[ancient birch]

Only through android emulator

[ancient birch]

Ikr so fuckin silly

Only can play the game if you have an android emulator it looks like

On PC I mean

[ancient birch]

It uses unity to upload to

I think it uses something called "URP"? I guess

Whats funny is it has some of the same world's vrchat has

And avis

[pearl mulch]

yep that refers to unity's Universal render pipeline

[ancient birch]

Idk what that means xD

[pearl mulch]

and wonder how much of a user base is still going to have once the VRC mobile version comes out

[ancient birch]

Unsure but as of right now, I feel like Vrc should take notes

As I said I can find avis a little easier rather than looking through worlds or finding them through other people. I can't search them but I can shuffle.

[pearl mulch]

so far poking around the documentation is it auto generating LOD models for avatars is about the only interesting thing

[ancient birch]

Has a working camera that I can move anyway I want

I don't like the hand moving system

But better than vrc has even as a desktop user

This one was mebeing able to play with my hand and take a photo at the same time

Also doesn't lag my phone xD

Drain tf out of a battery tho

I like how easily most avis load. Unless it's like 40mb

It takes a minute but nothing bad happens

Weird. Most avis that would be very poor on vrc are considered excellent on the game

I joined their server

[pearl mulch]

Hope you have fun myself I have no interest because no vr or PC build

[ancient birch]

I was told the game is still fairly new

I guess they released on phone first?

[pearl mulch]

The documentation seems is just it's only been around for like 4 months

[ancient birch]

Damn

I thought it was one of those games I just never saw until now

It isn't that old though

[pearl mulch]

July 20, 2023 is the earliest Google Play reviews

[half tapir]

Damn that app is apparently incompatible with my device

Release date is 07/10/23

Mmh

[pearl mulch]

weird that it would be giving you trouble given those are much lower specs than VRchat Android

[grizzled coral]

Huh, not even available here.

[muted kayak]

VRChat isn't that great on the Redmi Note 10 Pro

[half tapir]

This isn't for VRChat

[muted kayak]

It works, but it's not great

[muted kayak]

oh

[half tapir]

Read a message above

The picture above

[muted kayak]

I did

The app itself isn't avalaible

"You are searching for ParaSpace ? / This app isn't avalaible"

[half tapir]

It exists though

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paraspace.together

[half tapir]

Yeah but it exists given someone has shared screenshots of them playing

So it's some weird compatibility thing going on

[ancient birch]

I made a bug problem.

Asking about compatibility in the server

[vale edge]

That game is literally filled to the brim with paid VRChat models.

Saw dozens of paid private only booth/Gumroad models being showcased by the company. Totally not sus.

[ancient birch]

I mean, its the same thing as publishing edited models for public use. Then again I do see what you mean. Can't get mad at the developers

They weren't the ones who said to post them.

[vale edge]

I said "private only"

My issue is the developer is boasting this content for anyone to use

[ancient birch]

Well they probably don't know a lot? Idk I feel like we shouldn't be trying to out them down as they are new.

[vale edge]

....

[ancient birch]

It's not right but I also feel like it should be talked about to them rather than trying to put them down

[vale edge]

Used car lot opens in town
Sells nothing but stolen cars
"Aw they're just new"

[ancient birch]

Look

If you have an issue they have a discord server

You can always, Idk, talk to them about it. Tell them to rethink their advertising

[vale edge]

Bruh. Didn't know you'd be running defense over me making a statement about an observation I made. Lmfao

[ancient birch]

I'm not it just feels you're putting them down, like they aren't vrchat. The models weren't made for that game, the people that posted those models on the game are to blame. Only reason the developers are probably advertising with them is because it's content their users posted.

They probably don't know about the models themselves

[vale edge]

Bruh

[ancient birch]

They probably don't know about the models that their users posted are supposed to be paid only.

I'm not even saying it's justified

[vale edge]

Sure. They're totally clueless. Entire shop setup for anyone to host any stolen content they want. No idea that coulda happened. Woopsies!

[ancient birch]

I mean they probably don't know about the avis gumroads is my point

[vale edge]

I find that very, very hard to even fathom

[ancient birch]

They probably aren't aware of the fact the avis are supposed to be paid form

[vale edge]

That assumption basically means the devs are brain dead idiots

Because they clearly have a legal team....

Besides. Implying they have no knowledge of how avatars work in a game they made around avatars in a shop they made to host and sell those avatars. Is kinda..... Crazy.

Hell, the person uploading most of the paid models is literally listed as a "VIP Founder" and has mass uploaded hundreds of paid models for anyone to use and his name looks like a typical Eboi edgy crasher name. Tbh seems like they had access to some sort of database because ain't no way he's uploaded thousands of models or actually owns all these paid models. Some of the paid models I've seen aren't even for sale anymore and were removed by the author but they somehow have em.

Def has no idea what he's doing tho.

[thorny star]

honest mistake

[ancient birch]

Maybe it should be brought up. Pretty messed up then

I guess I never saw it through a more in depth perspective

I only saw through the top layer the cool game not thinking about it

[ripe sorrel]

does android show fallbacks if u vpoor? Didn't check

[vale edge]

Yes. Specific to mobile

[ripe sorrel]

Oki

Might actually make a fallback

I simply don't wanna optimize every model i got

Or be invisible for ppl when i use some public ava

This is driving me insane, why is the requirements for android poor so high

[vale edge]

Yep. My phone can run VRChat at max performance in a lobby filled to the brim with no safety but I'm not allowed to see a few VP avatars when I'm chilling with my friends cuz someone somewhere else owns a cheaper phone than me.

[ripe sorrel]

Can't wait for the vpoor avatar mod lol

No i don't condone modding

Just saying that i 100% expect ppl to try to unlock it plsnoban

And then 70% of the android users have it and then vrc be peer forced to put it in again

i just wanna have an sdk where having big bounds don't make u vpoor

Sure you can resize natively now

but still

[ancient birch]

Wouldn't recommend

The purpose of the removal was to help android users

So modding it defeats the purpose of optimization

[ancient birch]

Also I can see the app is more sus than I thought

The server doesn't really care it feels. Like not just about avis but overall

[ripe sorrel]

Report to discord team if sus discord guild

[vale edge]

Their TOS literally states they're under no obligation to act on content that violates 3rd party licenses.

That said. There is stuff I wish VRChat mobile had:

Toggle for first person and third person view is very nice on mobile and makes picking up and interacting with things easier

Gesture menu

Lobby chat feed

Doesn't kill in background

Works with BT mics

Avatar audio, particles, animations, etc. Unsure what render pipeline they use but it runs extremely well despite all that.

Past that. It's meh. A lot to not like. VRChat mobile shows more promise long term fr but is currently in a worse state obviously.

[balmy pilot]

vrchat mobile does have expression menu

hold the menu button

[vale edge]

*gesture. Holding menu gives you action menu and the main menu. You can't select or activate gestures currently.

[muted kayak]

I'm not allowed to see a few VP avatars when I'm chilling with my friends cuz someone somewhere else owns a cheaper phone than me.
Soon even the Quest version won't be able to display very poor avatars, so it's not because of "someone somewhere else owns a cheaper phone than you".

[fresh lion]

Pretty much the point lmao

[vale edge]

No shit Sherlock. I'm pointing out the absurdity of the claim it has entirely to do with phone performance rather than VRC removing access to content that has existed since the dawn of the Q1 and this purely being the first step at staggering outrage as I've previously mentioned in depth.

[fresh lion]

I should get my popcorn ready for this debate.

[vale edge]

There's nothing to even debate. I made a sarcastic reply. Who cares.

[fresh lion]

You'll see.

[ancient birch]

It uses URP

[vale edge]

yeah, explains why it runs decent. But staying on BIRP is better than changing pipelines so whatever.

[ancient birch]

I wish vrc works just as well

[balmy pilot]

If people put half as much effort into optimizing their avatars as they do complaining about it in here then we wouldn't have this issue lol

[vale edge]

Bruh

[pearl mulch]

checking the SDK it seems like they also hard cap the avatars and use a LOD system ParaSpace

[vale edge]

Yes.
150,000 Tris
30 textures
20 meshes
1 realtime light
200 bones
32db collisions
Rigid bodies allowed
Audio allowed
Transparency allowed

[pearl mulch]

wow that's quite the high cap for Android phones weaker than The Quest 2 that they do allow

[vale edge]

Modern phones are pretty powerful. My 3 year old phone has no issues running VRChat in a max lobby with no safety at all at 60fps... Plenty of headroom indeed

[half tapir]

If they're using URP that might be the thing allowing it to be possible

[vale edge]

Absolutely. URP helps

Least for the more advanced shader stuff they have.

[half tapir]

I personally wouldn't have had anything against switching to SPS-I. But that's just me. I would simply accept old content to be wiped.

If it ever happens then it happens and i would be ok with it

Switching to something like URP for VRChat would however probably not be a good idea

[vale edge]

Goodbye all content

Plus VRC is VR.

[half tapir]

Since that wouldn't mean just making shaders compatible with it but instead having to completely recode everything

1 shader would probably for sure be eventually compatible then -> Poiyomi haha

[vale edge]

That said, I only compare or mention PS here as a general conversation of semi comparable tech. However, PS I don't see as a valid competition to VRC as it lacks VR, PC, Quest support and was seemingly filled with avatars that were acquired from unknown sources and bulk uploaded by founders which is super sus to me so idk if it's worth even investigating

[half tapir]

Poiyomi i guess is basically most if not all income to poi for their life. I doubt they would give that up

[vale edge]

Lmao. As a hypothetical, course not. But I couldn't fathom that happening anytime soon unless BIRP becomes unmanageable in the future and everyone is okay with a total game reset or some shit.

VRC to me is like an art gallery. I don't like the idea of content being removed. It's all people's art to me. Regardless of how some feel about certain users works, to me, it's still their artistic, self expression and I hate the notion of loosing that. Which is why I'm more for disabled by default, preventing future uploading of VP, marking as legacy, etc etc. Rather than removal.

[half tapir]

Yeah i understand that

[ancient birch]

Lmao based comment

[vale edge]

Yeah, screw those thousands of people who uploaded content that conformed to VRC avatar upload guidelines for the last forever. How dare those lazy people do what's officially allowed. Certainly no other explanation other than their own laziness. Better mock them for daring to upload content at all. Only users with enough skill or time should be allowed to engage with the game and nobody should be given the ability to choose what they want to see depending on how they play. Yep. Based af.

[balmy pilot]

i mean the warning was right there in the docs lol. if they'd bothered to look up the performance ranks at all they would've seen the warning

[vale edge]

Yes. The warning. On one doc page. Not the SDK. Or anywhere else. Or during upload. Or in the game. Just a footnote on a doc page seldom few probably even saw. But let's rub it in everyone's face like a haha gotcha! Hell, I use the docs page a shit ton over the years and linked doc pages to many and never once even saw that. 20k hours of play time, dozens of avatars, worlds, etc.

Guess I was just lazy. Oopsie

[balmy pilot]

it's not a footnote it's right there on top of the performance ranks, again, if you'd bothered to look at the performance ranks at all for quest youd've seen it

anyway i'm musting this because this is insufferable

[vale edge]

Hell, I've been helping people with avatars here for years. Almost 50k posts. Never even noticed the one single blurb in one single spot half way down the performance rank page that takes up a few pixels of height in visibility and no where else mentioned, referenced, or anything.

The fact that wasn't in the SDK, on any official video tutorials which is what most use, or in the game as a loading screen or warning, is just unfortunate.

[ancient birch]

I mean I should optimize since I talked about it before, as far as other people, again I will stand by the statement of it not needing to be expected from others. Would it be nice? Yes, but not everyone can make their avis compatible let alone force it to be poor instead of vp. Idk anything about stuff. Though from what I can tell I can optimize meshes and textures all I want but I still need the skillset for Blender to make the avatar itself optimized enough via polygons for quest. I don't have that skillset, so whether or not others do as well Idk. I just know I don't.

I will always stand by that statement although I can just simply try and optimize a few avis

[balmy pilot]

We'll see how long it takes for impostors to come out. Ideally it should be before the Android version comes out of alpha

[ancient birch]

Yeah we'll have to see

I've seen the Imposter logo in vrc before

But never works. It's just there sometimes

[hybrid tendon]

Me too on this

[ancient birch]

I really hope the system doesn't ruin the way most avatars will look

[hybrid tendon]

I just uploaded a new avatar yesterday, thought it was so cute, but unfortunately, it's nowhere near being Quest compatible

[ancient birch]

According to some people no matter what it's always possible to make it quest compatible

So I'm sure whatever you gotta do it's for sure possible /s (sarcasm)

[hybrid tendon]

Very Poor Quest compatible, yes, but we aren't allowed to do that anymore

[ancient birch]

That's what I'm saying some people here are saying it's possible to make an avatar poor or at least in some way usable to be compatible Not very poor

[hybrid tendon]

[ancient birch]

I don't know or understand how but shrugs

[hybrid tendon]

I was thinking of making a heavily decimated version of my model for meme purpose, but at least should be on Poor for Quest

Just for shits and giggles

[pearl mulch]

considering most people are running around as anime people or furries you can definitely get most character designs accomplished in the quest triangle budget

[ancient birch]

Sounds hilarious

[hybrid tendon]

Hens have a few of those

They made me cracked up when I used those

[ancient birch]

Lmao

[ancient birch]

"most" hinting that not every furry avatar is meant to be able ot look good and still be useable

[pearl mulch]

I was more referring to like if it was a centaur so it requires rotation constraints

[ancient birch]

Hmm

[pearl mulch]

but pretty much any biped furry can be modified to fit in that triangle count

[ancient birch]

Either way, not every avatar can get forced to be optimized and still GOOD for quest

[hybrid tendon]

[ancient birch]

You good? xD

[hybrid tendon]

Unless if the creators make Quest version, like Rusk avatar that has Rusk Quest version aside, or at least if the poly counts are near to the Poor ranking limit, then I be ded

[ancient birch]

You and me both

I dunno how to help make an avi optimized, or at least the avi itself, aside from the texture and clothing meshes

I personally don't wanna go through the hassle of removing clothing from one of my avis to make it qeust comp, cause thats what I essentially would have to do.

One of my other models could probably work but not my main

Has way too much stuff and took way too much tiem to put it together

[pearl mulch]

remove an extraneous outfits is a lot easier than trying to lower the polygon count of everything

[ancient birch]

Sure but it's still alot of time and effort

[pearl mulch]

not really that's just deleting a mesh in unity

[ancient birch]

My point is I took the time and setting it up, I'm not gonna take the time and take it down. Also I have other avis I can make optimized

Doesn't need to be that one

[pearl mulch]

Fair as long as you have at least one fall back Avatar that's you

[ancient birch]

Man right now I am just getting frustrated at recording

I wonder how people make videos to post on tik tok but also make them work for YT

I mean Tik Tok/YT

[ancient birch]

one of the testers said this

[ancient birch]

they are in this server as well... interesting

[vale edge]

don't want this to stray far off topic and dunno about posting discord screens n stuff. Don't go on some vendetta that isn't worth it ultimately lol.

Call-outs aren't allowed so just be careful with your actions is all

[ancient birch]

well no this is meant to be general. this isn't calling out so much as just showing what someone else told me in a public server

the server this was take from is public not like it was dms xD Its abouttheir mobilegame but you're right about off topic.

[vale edge]

Dude in the screenshot isn't entirely wrong either, like a politician saying things that are technically true but ignoring the main issue. Course that screen is just a clip, regardless. They could have some form of deal in the background for things but don't make that clear at all and they use a lot of paid private restrictive models for their advertising and official site and app which feels gross to me. Just devil's advocate, benefit of the doubt kinda thing. But I have a ton of doubt lmfao.

Also the app is 18+ so idk. There's lots of mobile social games. More will pop up. Clones of clones. Not surprising some may somehow harvest swaths of avatars, though that's ultimately speculation. Regardless, can't just endlessly chat about all of them here, and you shouldn't waste much time on them either.

[ancient birch]

fair enough x)

[hexed iris]

Anyone know how I can increase the phone's built-in microphone volume? I already have the mic volume to 100 on vrchat, but people are saying that my voice is very quiet despite me speaking right onto the built in mic.

[vale edge]

Very buggy. Sometimes mic will be super quiet. Sometimes rejoining will make it loud again. Sometimes changing the sensitivity can make it louder again. Sometimes gotta restart. Sometimes it is what it is for rn.

[rough valve]

So i dont know if this is a bug or not but i had untrusted URL's enabled and tried to click on stuff in a Movie world and couldnt click on anything despite the fact that i was the world master on Mobile

[glad creek]

Android 10 ain't supported??????

[ancient birch]

"Hello, right now we support the following devices:
iOS: iPhone 7 and above, iOS12 and above
Android: Android 7.0 and above, RAM 2G and above."

That's what they told me

[muted kayak]

How much RAM do you have, and what is your device ?

[glad creek]

galaxy S9. Note9, A71.

[muted kayak]

Your phone is definitely powerful and recent enough it, my Pixel 7a, and my Redmi Note 10 Pro too.
Probably the game is only in certain countries ?

[glad creek]

6gb ram on each phone

[muted kayak]

Continue to talk with them about that your phone isn't compatible even if it should be.

[muted kayak]

canny time
https://feedback.vrchat.com

[ripe sorrel]

Rainbow theme OwO

[ancient birch]

It works on my phone are you saying you want me to try and tell them it doesn't?

[ripe sorrel]

Won't the apk work?

[ancient birch]

Idk how I would do that when I only have your screenshot as showing it doesn't work ><

[ancient birch]

Yiisss

[glad creek]

Weirdly it refused to install.

[muted kayak]

Oh my bad, I forgot the story a bit, that I thought your phone wasn't compatible.
Tell to them that someone have a Google Pixel 7a and a Redmi Note 10 Pro which are higher than the minimun requirement, but they aren't compatible with the app.

[ancient birch]

Will do

Now just gotta wait for a response

[ancient birch]

To be fair I wouldn't feel upset if you didn't play the game.

Since they have a lot of models on the game that were posted freely to used when they are paid to use normally then again Idk all the TOS for the furry avis that are posted on there

[muted kayak]

I know, and I might not play it at all.
It's just to report a bug.

[ancient birch]

But Merc already talked about it xD

I wanna play it more so bad but I don't wanna support it because of that

[vale edge]

Note you need to also be able to pass play integrity. This is an app that you can use to check this.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gr.nikolasspyr.integritycheck

[vale edge]

Eh was worth checking.

[ancient birch]

They said they wanted your phones details

Like specifically

[muted kayak]

Google Pixel 7a :

• Google Tensor G2
• 8GB of RAM
• Android 13

Redmi Note 10 Pro :

• Snapdragon 732G
• 6GB of RAM
• Android 13/MIUI 14

[ancient birch]

Para ID:
Country:

I'm confused how are you gonna have an ID if you can't even play the game

[muted kayak]

Para ID : wtf is a Para ID
Country : France

[ancient birch]

That's what they said they wanted

[half tapir]

Me still having Android 12 on my Redmi Note 10 Pro :(

[fleet hornet]

Being able to flick select the prone and crouching by sliding/flicking the button towards the direction those options pop up on instead of pressing and holding it would be nice so that youd be able to do those actions much faster :)

[ancient birch]

strange

[muted kayak]

Me that will have Android 14 in a few days max.

[ancient birch]

Mine has it on auto flick seelct

[muted kayak]

He's not talking about that

[ancient birch]

I was about to say if you ha dyours activated but mine has it already automatically activated

[ancient birch]

Oh xD

OH

NVM I get it

[muted kayak]

canny time
https://feedback.vrchat.com

[half tapir]

Oh wow

And me with same phone won't get any updates lmao

Cause miui shite

[muted kayak]

My Redmi Note 10 Pro won't get Android 14

My main phone is a Google Pixel 7a

[half tapir]

Oh, but i still won't even get Android 13 even though it exists for my phone lmao
Maybe i should look into Pixels once i get a new one

[muted kayak]

Either the Pixel 7a, you wait a month for the Pixel 8/8 Pro, or you wait next year for the Pixel 8a.

Or if you are rich and live in one of the few countries, Pixel Fold

[glad creek]

eww… tensor

[muted kayak]

Honestly it's not bad.
Performance-wise it's much better than my Snapdragon 732G, like 4-5 times better.

[glad creek]

an S23 base outperforms it still.

[muted kayak]

A S23 is 850€
I got my Pixel 7a for 400€

[glad creek]

ok. an S21 ultra then.

[muted kayak]

Still between 750 to 900€

And it have a exynos

[ancient birch]

not unless you know where to get one cheaper

[glad creek]

Not if you have a U varient though..

[muted kayak]

And the tensor G2 is more power than the exynos of the S21 Ultra

[muted kayak]

I don't live in the US.

[muted kayak]

I'm talking about brand new.

[glad creek]

You can buy U varients IN countries that aren’t the US.

[ancient birch]

meh

[glad creek]

I’d rather have an older flagship than newer midrange.

[ancient birch]

Who needs brand new when refurbished can sometimes do just fine

[glad creek]

like.. these specs knock the tensor out of the park.

and the GPU clock is actually better than the tensor

[muted kayak]

I'd rather have stock Android with major updates until 2026 than OneUI with updates until 2025

[glad creek]

still stuck with a tensor

[ancient birch]

Wow one year difference

crazy

[muted kayak]

You don't know the quality of the replacements part when you buy something refurbished

[glad creek]

backmarket

[muted kayak]

Not only that, but OneUi is just garbage compared to Android stock IMO

[glad creek]

Your not on stock android yourself

you have the nightmarish pixel launcher

[muted kayak]

I'm on stock Android with some exclusive features

[ancient birch]

well considering the very person you're trying to argue with has good reviews throughout their entire family, I think I'll take my chances

[glad creek]

if I wanted I could just put lineageOS on my Note9.

[ancient birch]

rather than spending an arm and a leg.

[muted kayak]

I don't want to mess around with custom roms anymore.

[glad creek]

sounds like a skill issue

[muted kayak]

I had a custom rom on my old phone for months, but I went back to the even more garbage MIUI just because a lot of things are missing on customs roms, especially about cameras.

[glad creek]

MIUI is literally the epitome of Chinesium.

[muted kayak]

I know

OneUI is definitely better than MIUI

But not as good as Android Stock + Pixel experience

[glad creek]

pixel experience is a nightmare.

I’d rather have MIUI

[muted kayak]

Pixel experience is just Android stock but with Pixel things

that's what you have on Pixel devices

I also know that there is a custom rom called pixel experience, but I'm not talking about that

[glad creek]

A buggy launcher that crashes on basic tasks, ok.

[muted kayak]

Sound like a skill issue

[glad creek]

yeah for you. Cause I’m on OneUI

[muted kayak]

The only bug I had on my Pixel is... well none

[glad creek]

can say the same for my Note9 lmao

[ancient birch]

bruh won't let go of google. Do you prey to Larry Pape every day with that phone? I sure would pray to Lee Byung-Chull for these amazing samsungs

"The pixel is so great" ok? Its like you have nothing bad to say about it

[glad creek]

pixels ain’t buggy… yeah

[muted kayak]

But OneUI is pretty slow.
My Pixel 7a launch apps and tasks faster than a S23 Ultra that should be more powerful.

[muted kayak]

galaxys ain't buggy... yeah

[glad creek]

that’s spotify causing that. It’s a known bug on their end

[ancient birch]

sounds like they hearing you talkin shit

skill issue. Ive had nothing but samungs with no problem

[muted kayak]

Bro you are litteraly closing apps when they didn't finished to load 💀

[glad creek]

Then I’ll redo it.

[muted kayak]

But after all, iOS isn't better

[ancient birch]

Never had issues with samsung

[muted kayak]

Never had issues with Pixel

[ancient birch]

I will at least agree with this

[ancient birch]

Never owned a pixel, but unlike Azza here, I hear nothing from you making pixel nothing but god tier

isn't the reviews Im looking for

I need reviews that are honest and fair. Not "omg this phone is good in every way"

[muted kayak]

Holy shit that's slow

let me do a video

[glad creek]

it’s 1 second per app. Only one that was slow was Samsung pay, something I haven’t even set up.

[ancient birch]

So if every pixel user is like you, thinking the phone is so much better

then no thanks

Not very nice with your counters no cons to the phone either

Like: this does this but sometimes does this. feel me?

[glad creek]

better?

it was on power save.

[ancient birch]

Couldn't show Twitter after realizing I was opening it because there's NSFW as soon as I open it

[half tapir]

Bad idea

[half tapir]

You might not have frequency bands optimal for your country

US and EU use different frequency bands

[glad creek]

Ours uses the same band.

[ancient birch]

I see no differnce

[glad creek]

fr

[ancient birch]

mine yours. same.

[muted kayak]

everything load faster

And if you see no difference, you should get your eyes checked

[glad creek]

my phone is 4 years older.

so..

[ancient birch]

My phone loads same speed

why not try tik tok?

like I did inthe next video

[muted kayak]

Because I don't have tiktok, for my own mental health

[ancient birch]

sounds like you cant do it 💀

[glad creek]

skill issue

[muted kayak]

I will instal the app just for you

[ancient birch]

awww Id love to see how yours takes

waits

[glad creek]

I didn’t beat him to it.

[ancient birch]

AT least your tik tok is better

[ancient birch]

But still everything else loads better

Or at least the same not better

EVEN MY MAPS loaded the same time

[muted kayak]

That's also slower

[glad creek]

Again. It’s 4 years old.

[muted kayak]

Tiktok really take its time on your phone

[glad creek]

again. ITS 4 YEARS OLD

[ancient birch]

imagine using its age against it

[muted kayak]

I’d rather have an older flagship than newer midrange.

[ancient birch]

i guess elderly people being slow isnt their fault

With age logic

[half tapir]

Bros fighting over which phones are 1 milliseconds faster

[ancient birch]

I dont care personally I just wish thry would admit any cons

which they haven't yet

causethe pixel is so god tier

[half tapir]

I can't say about both. One con for my phone though = MIUI

[glad creek]

this better?

it’s limited to 70% CPU on that video.

and also on 7%

[half tapir]

Before i change my phone there will be at least another 2 years

Will have to deal with MIUI but whatever

[muted kayak]

I can admit a few cons of my phone :

• it overheat often (especially in the camera app, it doesn't on VRChat suprisingly), but most of the time, it's just the brightness lowering, which is fine.
• charging speed is slow, but not deal breaker.
• battery is okay-ish, but I can't really say that it's garbage since there will be a huge improvement on Android 14 releasing soon.
• the fingerprint sensor is not as reliable as the one on my Redmi Note 10 Pro.

[half tapir]

Does Pixel not have fast charging?

[muted kayak]

But beside that, everything is better than my old phone, and it was the best phone I can get for that price.

[half tapir]

My phone is full in 1 hour

[muted kayak]

My 7a have 18w wired charging, but the Pixel 7 Pro have 23w wired charging

[muted kayak]

Yeah chinese company like putting 120w chargers on their phone

but it harms more the battery than being conveniant

if the battery life is great, you would only need to charge it the night, and so 18w is perfectly fine, even 5w is fine.

very fast charging put stress on the battery, and so degrade it faster

[ancient birch]

i beg to differ

[glad creek]

@ancient birch can charge at 25W…

[ancient birch]

If I charge the phone which takes an hour or hour and a half to charge if not being used it can last a fullday and a half.

if I use it constantly the phone takes the useage pattern and lets its battery stay on longer after next full charge

[muted kayak]

It will be pretty hard to do that, since people using phones with 120w charging report that their battery life is already degrading after 5-6 months of use...

[half tapir]

My phones last usually only until evening then i need to charge again

[ancient birch]

Ive had my phone for a year n a half

perfectly fine

[muted kayak]

Your phone doesn't have 120w charging

it have 25w, which is fine

[ancient birch]

And? charges fastrr

than yours

[half tapir]

Like im awake since 6am and now it's almost 2pm with 65% battery left

[muted kayak]

Do you even read what I say ?
I was talking about 120w charging...

[ancient birch]

thats why I said I beg to differ. My phone battery hasn't been harmed

[muted kayak]

because your phone doesn't charge at 120w

wtf is wrong with you

[ancient birch]

Oh wait

yeah my bad

It goes at 25w like Azza said.

[muted kayak]

120w charging charges your phone is less than 20min

which is crazy fast, but useless when you charge it at night

[ancient birch]

Then if thats your phone thats charging at a wattage thats harmful thrn thats a skill issue 100%

[muted kayak]

And that's 100% what Xiaomi and other chinese companies does

[ancient birch]

Ok?

[muted kayak]

heck, infinitix annouced 260W charging 💀

the charger is more powerful than my gaming laptop's charger

[half tapir]

Soon it'll be more powerful than PSUs

[muted kayak]

this thing can do a 0% to 100% in 7.5min

and can do 0% to 25% in 1 min

the battery won't survive for long

[half tapir]

MIUI try not to be annoying challenge (impossible)

Never opens links in apps for me. Always browser.

[muted kayak]

MIUI by default you have ads everywhere

[half tapir]

I don't get any ads

[muted kayak]

Also the virtual proximity sensor (to turn off the screen when you do a call) is garbage at best

[half tapir]

Never had any ads

[muted kayak]

You open the theme app, or the file explorer, ads

[half tapir]

Oh i don't use these

[muted kayak]

you install a app, the security app open itself to "scan" a app and also display a ad

[half tapir]

I've a file explorer from play store which also doesn't have ads

[muted kayak]

you want to change the default ringtone of your phone ? ads

[half tapir]

There is also no ad every time that happens

I never encountered ads in the whole system so idk

[muted kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090622976732438529/1139620088425742356/VID_20230811_173635.mp4

And that's just one ad

[muted kayak]

there was for me

[muted kayak]

I also count the installed bloatware as ads

[half tapir]

Tried it, no ad appearing there

[muted kayak]

Do you have a ad when you launch the theme app ?

[half tapir]

I don't have it enabled

[muted kayak]

oh

[muted kayak]

well, this list is part of the theme app

[half tapir]

I refused to open it

[muted kayak]

anyways, beside ads, there are also chinese spyware on MIUI (I'm not joking)

the only way to remove them is to use a java program that use adb to delete the apps

which is basically debloating

[muted kayak]

it wasn't like that at all for me

[half tapir]

Maybe you've different Region phone?

I've EU phone

[muted kayak]

EU too for me

the file explorer

[half tapir]

I just use Solid Explorer

[muted kayak]

I can't really show to you how it looks since I don't find anything on google, and I don't have MIUI on my Redmi Note 10 Pro

I installed Pixel experience on it to abuse of the free unlimited google photo cloud

I have litteraly 13k+ photos and videos, for a total of around 200GB, without any compressions or quality drop, and while not talking any storage on my 15GB of cloud storage

[half tapir]

My gallery is mostly screenshots lmao

[muted kayak]

First crash on VRChat Android

[hybrid tendon]

First time? :))

[muted kayak]

I also got for the first time on Android, the bug where audio just stop working randomly

[hybrid tendon]

Audio in-game?

[muted kayak]

yeah

and you need to restart the game

in the past, it was a annoying bug on the PC version of the game, that got fixed a long time ago

[hybrid tendon]

I see

Have you made a Canny post about this yet?

[muted kayak]

I think I already saw a canny about that

[thorny star]

Damn, 1344 leaves my phone hitching and stuttering more than 50% of the time 😔

1335 would eventually sort itself out

[naive bluff]

Scotty ne pas!

[ancient birch]

I love getting the message that someone else talked about

I get this to now :/

[glossy scarab]

Anyone have good worlds for models that show? I'm honestly about done messing with this as 95% of vrc is very poor quality...

[sick herald]

very poor performance*

but certainly also quality tho ngl

[ancient birch]

The honest truth lol

[sick herald]

avatar search world 🤷

[ancient birch]

Most avis are Very Poor. Not saying they all are but a good chunk of them are

Only 20 something of my 100 something favorited avis are at least better than Very Poor

Less than a third, or perhaps a third.

[glossy scarab]

Yup, I think Insted, they shoukd do what the quest dose and auto hiding it and letting thr player show it on their choice would work.

Maybe doinf a system of you can only see up to 10 or so very poor models at a time would work? Since they showed before...meaning it CAN be shown. . . Lol

[glossy scarab]

That won't work as theirs no way to look for avi baised on performance as it won't even show 90% of quest modules. . . So you have to find those ones that are in essence just a cube or even a toaster could play. (My main irritence is that they worked before why change their mind . . .tbh its making bw regret paying for vrc+ as that's why I paid for it this month lol...)

[half tapir]

I already don't have vrc+ anymore

Same reason

[glossy scarab]

Yea I canceled my thing as I can only pay for it on a month by month basis. With the money they get form it they SHOULD be able to may very poornwork on your phone. I mean phone can play genshen impact why not show my and my pals modules

[half tapir]

For me it's less of my avatars but more or other people's avatars I wouldn't see

Like all my friends ones

So mobile doesn't really have much use for me

[glossy scarab]

Exactly, I was excited becuse then me and my bf can sit together late at night and I can sleep in vrc without the headset bothering me. But if all I can see is his fall back and the three modules I have that are under 2 megabytes .. .honestly why bother. It's just another gimmick. And i honestly think that not even the wueat kids would use the app woth it being this bad

This should get more backlash then the quest limits did. Becuse I remeber back jn thr day how annoyed people were..it should be same for the phone

[rain vault]

@glossy scarab
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/desperately-need-a-very-poor-allowance-on-mobile

[glossy scarab]

Already updated it I know happy in game so ye

[hybrid tendon]

A simple solution had been to give very poor depending on how well the device works. So a 100 dollar phone from walmart, maybe no very poor. A 900 one? very poor allowed. Or even a friends only can be very poor, even if that'd be really weird but...minimize the amount and hope the friend wear good vpoors
I'd finally buy VRC+ to test my own content from Quest prespective. Until then, there's no point, even if I optimize to poor, I add 2 particle systems to fire 1 particle each for a gunshot? Great, poor. Now a grenade--oh very poor. Even though I can't use all three at the same time, because I can't fire two guns and throw a grenade. Still get punished. Not worth the time to break up the avi into several test versions. VRC+ not worth it.
Thinking we're stuck with this. that means there's still no reason to buy VRC+. oh unless you want to color your ui...
unless the imposter system comes to mobile, and it's better than the previews, that might just make the cut for average players. Still sucks for content creators unless the animator/toggles work too. but who knows how far away that is.

[muted kayak]

simple solution

So a 100 dollar phone from walmart, maybe no very poor. A 900 one? very poor allowed.

Do you know there are millions of different Android phones, so it will be impossible to do that.

[hybrid tendon]

Um....grab the model number, check the specs to an allowed/disallowed list? it's not rocket science

[muted kayak]

RAM can be check, but not the SoC itself.
There are too much SoC out there. It's like if VRChat needed to add compatibility to each PC's CPU (both desktop and mobile).

[hybrid tendon]

Eh fine then, just do one of the other suggestions or better yet, allow everyone very poor with disclaimers. like "we stronlgy recommend against turning this on." > "you've turned on very poor, whenever your frames dip under 5, all v poor avis will automatically be turned off. you will see this pop up every time unless you choose to turn it off." etc, etc. Or make a benchmarker that tests the phone by showing it various degrees of materials/meshes to figure out if it can handle very poor

[glossy scarab]

Mmm maybe having a max 20 users you allwyss see model even if very poor and you chose who those users are woukd work?
When you reach that limit it shows a list and asks who you want to remove?

So base game ir hides them/shows quest modules but woth trust/module show system ir could work?

[hybrid tendon]

Yes! There's a ton of different ways they could be handling it, they just chose "nope."
I'd run an android emulator just for content testing, so I wouldn't need any restrictions
Still no one should have to be flat out denied, for use-case reasons you mentioned earlier (late night movie watching). Until then, VRC+=no

[frozen plank]

No, the correct approach for both platforms is to get rid of the content that causes both absolute harm.
As long as it's tollerated some way it will mean that's the goal for 99% of users aim to reach and not a fraction further.

Did you know, that for a long time, 20k polygon's was the limit for PC?

Let that sink in. 🚰

hides

[muted kayak]

The best solution is to not allow very poor avatar and force yourself to optimize your damn 1M polygons avatar.

[glossy scarab]

Thing is it won't even show anything about 2mb. Meaning people who made modules that are literally just 2d planes won't show up

We're talking base modules like avali or freak hounds or tiger bees which are fall backs but even then don't show up despite people only changing thr textures on it . . .

[muted kayak]

The mb is limited to 10mb, if it's under it and the avatar is still very poor, then it's something else

[glossy scarab]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted kayak]

the polygons, material slots, bones...

[glossy scarab]

Maybe I'm just annoyed all my quest modules are not showing up st all . .

Granted their public so I can't edit them but you'd think they'd still show queat

I'll prob just not pay for vrc+ and undownload mobile. It works foe those who like fallback but for me it just dosent make sense as alot of quest worlds are built for vrplay in mind. So allt kf worlds also are not built for a desktop quest player (not vrcs fault just something people never thought needed to be adressed)

[ancient birch]

I may not know a lot about PCs and Phone but that's like saying they should do the same for PCs.

Well this PC/Laptop specific can't handle this stuff very well, so let's specifically mess with this particular one and make it so they can't see something or whatever. I feel like it would be a long and tedious process even if they did it that way. I would just wait until the Imposter system whenever the tf that's supposed to be released

[hybrid tendon]

Fine, I mentioned other solutions. Use one of them.

[hybrid tendon]

That's not it. There's ton of content already very poor that just becomes inaccessible. Give an in-game optimizer tool or let very poor avis exist.
(like the imposter system is a step in the right direction, problem is it just hasn't been released yet).
Besides, very poor rank can be wrong. Or overly punishing thus disencouraging optimization. Like 2 particle systems=poor. 3=very poor.
So what if the avi has 3, but only ever uses two at any given time. That's poor. Reward: very poor rank.
Say an avi has 300k polygons, but all of it is different clothes/toggles and it only uses ~70k at any given time. Whoops very poor. Same with materials.
What if an avi has 10 physbone components, but only ~8 are active at any given time. The rest are for different settings, for different hairs, etc. Because the docs advice against animating the sliders, so logically you use multiple components and toggle off/on the ones you want/don't. Whoops very poor.

You must even bug-fix StandardLite which costs a material and mesh, already putting you at poor rating. No extra room for fun stuff, like eye glowing.
Some worlds aren't baked right. Avi turns pitch black. Solution is, add albedo texture to emission slot. Then you can control the lightening. But now your glowing tattoos or hair or eyes can't glow, because the albedo texture in emission affects everything. So you have to go to Blender, use knife tool, cut out the tattoo parts, make into own material/mesh. For the body, add albedo to emission. For the tattoo, use standard emission map.
Great, that's fixed but now you've lost a mesh and material. ...They're updating StandardLite, they aren't adding a secondary emission/minimum lightening like Poi/"use albedo as emission" button. So this isn't going away.
.

This can all be solved if they give a custom rank, where we can decide what we want show. 40 materials? block. 10 lights? allow (it's probably you know what and a flashlight, maybe gamma). Not everything would be used at the same time. It'd be even better if this system detects by what is being rendered, so anything that exceeds it is removed at run-time. Like how stations or audio sources work when you exceed their limit.
But they just won't do it, even though they've already done it for some things.

Because of this, @frozen plank is wrong. The goal is to remove content that causes absolute harm, the solution is not to just block every very poor avi.
The docs themselves say this.

[ancient birch]

There's the wall of text

[hybrid tendon]

No one's forcing you to read:)

[ancient birch]

Honestly tho I'm just as frustrated as you are

I find it annoying that almost every I know not all avi is very poor. So to not allow it is stupid

Not allowing it on the phone I don't care about tho because that's a new platform

But removing it on the quest seems annoying and dumb. Especially for all the content creator who made their avi for quest

[frozen plank]

"This can all be solved if they give a custom rank, where we can decide what we want show. 40 materials? block. 10 lights? allow (it's probably you know what and a flashlight, maybe gamma)."
I think you missed the point that even if you have moderation tools, that having the high limit encourages people to use them and the main distribution of avatars to be this way.
That's the key issue.

[muted kayak]

Firstly, there is a reason why VRChat Android is still in alpha : they are waiting for imposters.

Secondly, it doesn't mean that something isn't displayed that it doesn't take performances. And if there are unused content, why you just don't remove it from the avatar ? You would look like a dumb creator if you leave unused content in your avatar.

[ancient birch]

Although what's wrong with the idea of just making it so you can hide by Rank?

Not by specifics but just rank

[frozen plank]

Did you read what i wrote?

[ancient birch]

I totally can't read. Which is why I'm currently typing to you

[frozen plank]

I said the argument twice now

[ancient birch]

I think you missed what I said.

I didn't say SPECIFIC hiding

I just said thr RANK that the game gives the Avi

Not by light or whatever have you

My question was what's wrong with the idea of RANK hiding. Not hiding by EVERY single little thing.

[frozen plank]

This still does ignore the point i made.
Having the sole option of making such conent will mean people will push limits and the majority of content will not care.
That's what you have now already, and how well does it work?

[ancient birch]

You can't hide by rank?

[ancient birch]

I mean it works pretty well

Tbh. Taking about the phone?

[frozen plank]

Because as long as the options to "show the avatar some way" exists, people will make that content and the majority will stop the moment they can hit upload.

Which is why android is nice

Cus you can not show the terrible VP avatars.

unlike on quest.
And quest should become this way.

[muted kayak]

The point of disabling very poor avatars is to force people to actually think about optimizing their avatar.

[ancient birch]

Guess so.

[frozen plank]

And by that also stop people from causing harm to them self, willingly or unwillingly.

[ancient birch]

Nah I'm good. I don't mind optimizing some. But get bent thinking Imma optimize every 80 something avis I have

They are all PC anyway. So

[frozen plank]

Quest (2) running out of memory is the single most anoying issue that can't be solved without limiting creators more.

[muted kayak]

You should have optimized your avatars in the first place

[ancient birch]

Nah can get bent

I don't make content for quest people. I'm not an Avi creator. So I don't care

[hybrid tendon]

Toggles aren different clothes isn't a bad thing, no one is dumb for making that And the cost is minimal then the skinned mesh renderers are turned off.
The problem is that the performance rank is static. Something that removes on run-time had been better. That might be hard to make.
VeryPoor isn't even a rank, it's "everything goes." PC poor is generous, Quest poor is too strict.
People won't be able to optimize, because it takes time and they don't have the knowledge. The solution has to come from VRC.
The solution can be better than "blocking all very poor avis." Like a custom rank.
Obviously the current method isn't working because people are complaining, not sticking with VRC+, and content makers say "eh screw mobile then"

[ancient birch]

If I hang with a Quest user, I'll just change to something they can see

[frozen plank]

you can make cloth toggles without having multiple meshes tho

A few ways.

Just putting on a new gameobject is the utter most terrible way to do it.

intertgrate it in your atlases, maye even same materials

[hybrid tendon]

I know. I always optimize to one material, one mesh. Except for when I can't. Like a world placeavble object and I need the bounding box to be attached to it. Or when I want my eyes to glow, and that needs its own mesh. The thing I don't find fair is when my medium avi becomes very poor because I added 2 lights and both of them are off 90% of the time.

And those types of avis should be allowed on mobile too. Bad example because it's lights. But I'm sure there's an equivelant scenario of a good avi marked very poor and not allowed because of its status, when mobile can run it very well.

[ancient birch]

Besides, I'm making YT content helping Quest users in my own way. They can't see PC worlds and I can at least help with that by having fun showing them. So I may sound mean but it's not like I'm not thinking about Quest users. I just don't have the time to make Avis comp for them.

[muted kayak]

But the thing is that the game would need to check constantly on avatars their stats, and do I need to remember to you that most of the time when loading a avatar your game freeze is just because your game takes time to count the number of polygons, material slots... so if it does that constantly, it will be horrible performance-wise.

Anyways, this is, again, getting no where.
Very poor won't be allowed anytime soon on Android.
If you aren't happy, then just stick to the PC version of VRChat.

[hybrid tendon]

The game already does that. It removes some things on runtime, like audio sources, like cameras, like stations. If this system can't be expanded upon, well we come back to the static custom rank system. I could let the best of very poor be shown, while the worst of very poor stays hidden.
Unlike the awesome system we have right now, where I need to show an avi to know what amount of polygons and materials it has. It's basically a blind guessing game right now. Anyone avi I enavble can be a crasher or too heavy-duty. A custom rank would solve that.

And we weren't gonna get anywhere, anyways. VRC doesn't take canny suggestions all that often, at least not the good ones.

All we can do is voice our discomfort with that.

[ancient birch]

Speaking of which

VRC WHERES MY portrait mode Menu

When will that get created. It's annoying asf to make my phone deal with loading a world while I'm trying to load my menu AND menu is forced to go landscape

[balmy pilot]

I imagine there will be a lot of UI work before it comes out of Alpha

[half tapir]

Why would that be? I assume something that's off is not using any resources

[hybrid tendon]

Hence why the performance ranking system isn't perfect, until this day

[sick tusk]

are mobile users not able to gett good quality avis?

[native igloo]

There are ton of optimised good looking avatars.

[sick tusk]

i cant seem to get my love to see them

idk whats wrong

they say good

[native igloo]

maybe very poor rated avatar, need to optimise it.

[sick tusk]

it says good rated

[native igloo]

huh....

[sick tusk]

but the mobile cant see it

idk why

[native igloo]

you need to upload quest version as well.

[sick tusk]

shield on the acc is none

its a quest and pc avi

[native igloo]

huh?
and avi size?

[sick tusk]

32mb

[native igloo]

quest is limited to 10MB so more likely need to upload again...

[sick tusk]

download isze is 10.51

i can see it on quest and pc

[native igloo]

still .51MB over.

[sick tusk]

hmm

know any worlds or anything with some avis

that have been made yet?

[native igloo]

you can search avatar world, I think.

[sick tusk]

the ones i found are those

[native igloo]

ic...

[vale lark]

Sup

Yeah im her love that is having issues ;-;

[sick tusk]

confused tbh

[vale lark]

I been trying everything but nothing worked

So shes on my account helping me

[sick tusk]

i understand quest cant see very poor avis but these are good rating ones its confusing

[vale lark]

Indeed, maybe the team might update the app to fix some bugs

[sick tusk]

idk its in alpha so

[vale lark]

I know its a alpha but their prob workinh on some codes for the game to fix things

[native igloo]

previously, no size limit for quest avi so can use it, but now strict limit of 10MB so if it over by 0.01MB even, not working....

[vale lark]

Yeah....

I wish their was a way for their to be mobile avis like a 3rd icon that says mobile avis for alpha....

[ancient birch]

I beg to differ. Majority of Quest avis are VP. There are some not very poor but not always the ones you expect. Makes it disappointing

[vale lark]

Like when i go into a world i can only see fall back avis...

Well on mobile since its a early testing stage

[ancient birch]

Maybe it's just most Quest Furry avis that are very poor but

It's still a lot

[ancient birch]

Its still on testing but their removal of Very Poor is something they may do on actual Quest

[native igloo]

new fallback system impostor be under development, so once it's ready....you will be happy. (more info on dev blog)

[vale lark]

Yeah and i cant even see "dont block" as a option

But hey at least i can stream

[ancient birch]

It's under development but I still have no idea when it's gonna come out.

[vale lark]

Prob in 2 years ;n;

[ancient birch]

Probably hopefully once Android is out of Alpha

[vale lark]

What if we just 👀 have someone make mobile avis and finish the updates quickly

Like make mobile unity

[ancient birch]

No.

Phones can't handle that much. There's a lot to Unity.

Sure Unity could maybe load by itself. But once you try importing avis with shaders and all that. It's through

[vale lark]

Scarlett get on vrchat, i fixed it

[ancient birch]

The phone would either shut itself, or close the app before anything could happen

[ancient birch]

?? Wrong chat?

[dusk needle]

Why do you need vr chat+ for mobile? Is it only because its in alpha?

As in reason?

[native igloo]

as it said on dev update. it is super earlybird be reason.

[dusk needle]

Ah ok ;-;.

[grand zenith]

Wanted to limit the amount of people to get better feedback.

[dusk needle]

Wouldn't a wider selection be better to find exotic bugs?

[grand zenith]

That's what beta is for

[dusk needle]

Like with certain kind of phones/OS/etc...

[dusk needle]

But id' mean that only people with money (mostly people that can afford good phones) will play.

Idk who Mf would play on a note 7 or Pixel, not me deffinetly...

But i do understand...

[grand zenith]

It is quite standard for most software life spans.
Development -> Internal QA -> Limited alpha -> Open beta -> live.

[native igloo]

VRChat just push update so may lag. so try again.
also reinstall be more ideal if it still not solve.

[fervent anchor]

Kinda sucks you need VRC+ to play it on android

[lusty hazel]

Only during the Alpha as is also explained in #android-announcements

Or well, in the video linked in that channel

It for the most part just boils down to having a way to limit the ammount of users as the main purpose of this currently is to find bugs

[fervent anchor]

oh ok

[vale lark]

Is it me or is everyone else feeling like they dont see all vrchat worlds that are mmd related

[native igloo]

not that much quest supported mmd world exist.

due to size.

[vale lark]

Theres not that much worlds for avis that are for phones, unless their is a world for mobile users

[visual frigate]

Still cannot install on my pixel 6a 😢 😢

[muted kayak]

I can on my Pixel 7a haha

[grand zenith]

Mine works fine

[visual frigate]

I know, that's why it's weird. It says not compatible with this device(?)

[naive bluff]

Oh snap, Mondo!

Long time no see.

[glad creek]

try the APK.

[lyric trench]

On android how do I click on people? I only see the option to open the main menu and radial menu

[ancient birch]

Like desktop there should be an option that says "Select User" on the Menu

The small pop up, not the big menu

[ancient birch]

Correction, after pressing and holding the three lines you see those options. Click Main Menu

And you should see a "Select User (Or Player)" option

[lyric trench]

Hmm ok ill look again

[half tapir]

Just use here tab like on pc/quest

Funny thing about here tab is that an A/B test is going on

[ancient birch]

?

"here" tab???

I just click the 3 lines once for the menu and then click and hold if I want the option for both

[half tapir]

In the quick menu where it lists all players in the instance

[ancient birch]

Ohhh that

I mean that requires open the whole big menu which then forces you to go Landscape. So if your portrait that's a little less convenient than just opening your menu and tapping "Select User"

Even in landscape that's less convenient cause you still need to open to big menu

[half tapir]

It never opens the big menu for me

I only ever need to open the big menu for some specific settings or world search

Everything else i do in quick menu

[hybrid tendon]

Hello, just tryed android version and it runs pretty well, but it should run at least quest avatars fully even if they are poor optimised (i have a powerful phone)

[naive bluff]

It's still in alpha, you know.

Also, how "powerful" is your phone?

[ancient birch]

It's not your fault. Don't worry. Avi creators don't optimize. So the best we can do is hope. It doesn't matter how powerful your phone is. If people as a general consensus can't handle VP avis then the best option qas to remove the VP visibility

[hybrid tendon]

Thank you ✨

[ancient birch]

Is this sarcasm

I'm too slow I can't tell, thay and I'm sick so my brain is worse.

[glossy scarab]

They were planning on showing them, bur they changed their mind for whatever reason.

On thr bug report page 140 something people up voted very poor showing so hopefully vrc doesn't pull oa vrc and they for once listen lol

[hybrid tendon]

It should be optional

Up to the user if want to show or not

Maybe disabled by default

[glossy scarab]

Exactly that's what I said

[glossy scarab]

This was my suggestion, not what everyone wants but it's better than what we have now

[grizzled coral]

They never had any intentions to allow it on Android, being able to see your own avatar the first few days was a known bug.

Or have you heard something else?

[glossy scarab]

Idk I heard that it would be little bit better then queat bur worse then pc..

[pearl mulch]

the documentation has noted very poor avatars could be removed from the quest altogether whenever they feel like

so I'm not surprised by no very poor avatars on Android

[grand zenith]

Tbh, it's for the best. Very poor, as it stands right now, should not exist on android/quest lol.

"oh yeah this one avatar that is the equivalent perf rank of 25 avatars is fine. I don't drop fps"

[vale edge]

And that's your opinion.

The UI2.0 causes far more performance regression on quest than any avatar I've ever used or any of my friends. Never once had an issue in thousands of hours on quest. Not once. Amazing how hard it is to just hide an avatar for some people let alone choose to not load them if you wish.

[grand zenith]

I stand by the opinion avatars on quest should have been hard capped

[vale edge]

That day has long passed. There's thousands upon thousands of avatars now that are all VP. People coming in here on a daily basis to express their distaste with this. Removing them now is just absurd when there's currently no alternative. Completely ignoring how people play is widely different, how people interact with their avatars, etc. Not everyone sits in massive lobbies. The only thing in the last few years to reduce my frames on quest hasn't been anyones avatars, but UI2.0. My avatars, all my friends avatars. Worked great for years happily using them in a world with 40+fps on a quest 1 none the less Now it's time to gaslight everyone into thinking avatars are entirely to blame for all performance issues and they need to all be deleted regardless of anything or anyone or any safety settings that have existed for years. Pathetic

[grand zenith]

Man, sample size of one really do hit hard.

Anyway, you say this like I've not been around for years. I said they should hard cap the stuff since they Doubled the perf ranks what.. Three years ago. Lol

back in my day 10k polys was very poor

[vale edge]

ok and?

[grand zenith]

I do also 100% put the blame on asset creators. Who make 100k poly avatars, shader swap to mobile, and call them "quest compatible"

[vale edge]

ok that's not everyone by a long shot

[grand zenith]

Yeah, you say that.

[vale edge]

I do. Yes.

Obviously, as you're aware, there is more to rank than just Poly count.

[grand zenith]

Yes, I'm mostly calling out the prefab makers.

Like, for the average Joe who just downloads and uploads content. I feel bad.
But for the people who post this non-sense on like booth, no.

[pearl mulch]

honestly the folks who post pc very poor avatars on shop sites is also a irresponsible bunch

[vale edge]

Prefab makers aren't the ones who will be/are disproportionately impacted by the removal of their content that has existed for years.... nor are they even to blame. It's extremely easy to push an avatar to VP for a novice or someone who doesn't have a ton of free time. Even when just using a simple naked furry lmfao

[pearl mulch]

the naked furry one would be on the base maker for modeling it in the first place with that many triangles

[vale edge]

Again, poly count isn't the only thing going into rank....

[grand zenith]

Yes, but it's the easiest bench mark. It takes too long to run through the whole perf list lol

[pearl mulch]

and stuff like material count is considerably easier to fix with tooling

[grand zenith]

Yeah, just fury away like 90% of your mats.

[ancient birch]

Watching this shit argument is always entertaining lol

Me and someone got on common ground. That people like me (who just upload/attach stuff even maybe, to their avis) aren't to blame. It's the content creators to blame.

They created it, so it's annoying that it is VP, like majority of Avis on quest.

[ancient birch]

Tho on the note of this, if there's people like me that's just uploading. We aren't gonna go through the trouble of adding stuff to Unity and trying to get Avis optimized or comp for Quest if we are just doing just that: Uploading. Not to mention, I've stated it before but not every tool will work for every Avi sometimes you will still have to get into Blender which still does require skill and time. At MOST time.

Not to mention, Avis are made the way they are, which is me adding onto not going through the hassle of something on a system we know nothing about (Unity I mean).

I'm not saying this to say "I don't care about Questies" No. Actually the opposite. I want them to see Avis. Although the problem being is we are all arguing about Avis not being seen or not being Optimized. When at the same time we are pushing for a system that will completely erase Quest users from seeing a vast majority of the Quest Avis. They are all gonna come rushing in just as Phone users already do, complaining that Avis canr be seen anymore. Guess what? It's because of all this.

Again though, I digress. All of this is from Content creators not optimizing their products. Nobody else is to blame but them.

[ancient birch]

Bruh I hate I used the same statement twice. Damn I'm trash. Worse than the VP avis-

[lunar bobcat]

I can't use the avatars that I had gotten within the mobile app cuz they were either poor to very poor in avatar rating...

Please make it to where we can use very poor to poor avatars within the vrchat app please!

[pearl mulch]

that's not going to happen and vrchat has noted in their documentation they could remove very poor avatars all together from the the quest whenever they like

[naive bluff]

You realize how much of a burden Very Poor avatars have on your RAM?

[pearl mulch]

which is the primary source of crashing on vrchat

[lunar bobcat]

Oh

Ok thanks for letting me know

[ancient birch]

An example of how crazy I think it'll be once its removed off quest. No matter how many times we remind everyone VP cant be seen more will come and ask annoyed/frustrated/upset
(Ps. Wasn't using you for a bad example just you asking about it along with everyone else is my point regardless that we've told others.)

[edgy zodiac]

that is right! my friend's very poor avatar has 520 mb vram. almost half gb!

[ancient birch]

520? That's way more than even my 214 Avi

[hot cave]

Why do I see everyone’s avatar and my own avatar fallback?

[rose leaf]

those people are likely using Very Poor avatars

[hot cave]

But I saw that one of my friends uses ‘good’

[rose leaf]

were they specifically in that avatar at the time? and are you sure that wasn't just their fallback?

it could also be your safety settings blocking everything

[hot cave]

I tried using the same avatar as my friend

Mine shows up, but my friends don’t

I checked that my settings are all on

[hybrid tendon]

Hello

[hybrid tendon]

Damn cool

sadly i don't have vr chat plus but i get the early access how

[rose leaf]

no, check your Safety tab (shield tab at the bottom)

[hybrid tendon]

Since my phone isnt compatible, is it because of the RAM or is it something else?

[naive bluff]

RAM, most likely. Needs >6GB.

[steep laurel]

You need ram and also a good gpu

[glad creek]

my Note9 isn’t compatible either but that has 6gb of RAM, so I don’t think it’s RAM. I think it’s something to do with android.

If you need I will send you the APK file.

[balmy pilot]

#android-announcements

as a baseline, your phone needs at least 6 gigs of RAM. Any less, and it’s unlikely the app will run. Likewise, you need to be running on at least Android 10.

[quartz oxide]

hmm goes the, the with VR (PICO 4)
in a 3D in xapk to use

but with toggle intergrate can at VR better to use ?

[hybrid tendon]

can you send me it then?

[glad creek]

Before I do, what phone you got?

[hybrid tendon]

Redmi note 11

[lunar bobcat]

If you have a phone with 2gb of ram,
Can you still use vrchat on the device? Mine's a Motorola e

[rose leaf]

no. 6gb is the minimum

[lunar bobcat]

Dammit

[hybrid tendon]

So how do I fix permission error? I enabled all of the permissions And I still get that error.

[half tapir]

2GB of RAM is barely anything lmao, not even enough for proper multitasking on android

[rich iron]

Yay I have just enough ram

[hybrid tendon]

What "interest" really means?

[hybrid tendon]

How many gb ram u got

xiaomi have an option to "upgrade" ur ram, so even if u have 6gb or 4, u can add 4 gb from ur Storage to ram

[hybrid tendon]

into virtual ram or physical ram?

[hybrid tendon]

Virtually

I added 4gbram to my 8gb so i have now 12 gb of rma

Ram*

In Memory expansion

ohh

tyy

[hybrid tendon]

Np gurl, if u need to know where it is just ask

[copper spoke]

Hey does anyone know how to turn on people's avatars on mobile?

[pearl mulch]

If you're referring to very poor avatars they've been completely removed from the mobile version of vrchat

[humble dust]

Need help me

[naive bluff]

What do you need help with? 👀

[humble dust]

Yes I can't play

[naive bluff]

It, uh... it helps to read the text.

[naive bluff]

Bruh.

[boreal ermine]

When will VRC mobile be available to non VRC+ users?

[native igloo]

No ETA

[boreal ermine]

So, for all we know, it could be at least a couple years

[native igloo]

more likely few month later.

[humble dust]

Not work

[floral rapids]

Anyway you can get into the mobile version without vrchat plus ?

[rose leaf]

no

be patient and wait until it releases proper and is no longer in alpha

[naive bluff]

Do you have VRC+?

[ancient birch]

Not VRC+ user.

Get VRC+ to play

[wet holly]

U need VRC+ Lmao

[nova ravine]

any new news on when it's available for free?

[pearl mulch]

No official announcement

[nova ravine]

damn

[pearl mulch]

Considering this is called an alpha probably at minimum like 4 or 5 months

[humble dust]

I don't have

Can you send links please

[hybrid tendon]

What "interest" really means

[native igloo]

usually means you want to try out.

[hybrid tendon]

So with Luck i can get an Access ?

[native igloo]

once become beta maybe than alpha.
so in few month time.

[hybrid tendon]

Oh okay thanks !

[humble dust]

I sad 😔

[ancient birch]

It's 10 USD basically a month

[humble dust]

I need links steam vrchat vrc

[ancient birch]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/438100/view/2905347189759891799

[humble dust]

Not work

[boreal ermine]

Too much for me

[ancient birch]

Oh wait you have to do it through the game

In the Menu

[ancient birch]

Well it's worth it in some way

[humble dust]

Okay

I just wait
Fix vrchat
add Facebook account

[ancient birch]

No I mean like on quest or whatever your other way of playing is

[half tapir]

Facebook account?

[coral mountain]

so wait, I have VRC+, but it's saying I need it to use the android version