android-discussion

[tacit summit]

I mean I got the client itself running on a galaxy A32 which is technically an unsupported device

[cobalt pine]

I mean if you split the payment between all the users, sure is around 2.50USD

[boreal moss]

No payment splitting.

Single payment.

[molten furnace]

Everyone's getting that message I think

[cobalt pine]

Gimmi

[tacit summit]

Oh alright

[hybrid tendon]

yep everyone has the same error

[half tapir]

Sent friend request

[cobalt pine]

Works at Google 👀

[molten furnace]

Lel

So phones at best run vrchat at 90fps?

Stfu sticky

[fresh lion]

lmao

[echo lynx]

wondering when the token will be fixed rahhh

[cobalt pine]

Max I got was 55 fps main Vrchat home and a Milk as avatar

[half tapir]

In vrchat home i get 30-40fps

[molten furnace]

So if I got vrchat to work on a phone with 4gbs of ram you'll literally be limited to the starting world only

[echo lynx]

rip

[boreal moss]

Probably not, since the Quest 2 only has 4 GB of RAM.

[cobalt pine]

Time to test expandable ram on phones

[proud creek]

?

[boreal moss]

And also most phones implement some sort of ZRAM

[boreal moss]

4*

[errant lichen]

the play store says my device is not compatible, what kind of device do I need? (I have a Google pixel 2)

[molten furnace]

Ain't no way💀

[grizzled coral]

Android 10 and 6GB of RAM.

[grizzled coral]

The Quest 2 has 6GB of RAM.
VRChat only has access to 4GB.

So a 4GB phone would not work.

[boreal moss]

Mmmm, I forgot that the Quest 2 OS was actually Android and it had 6

[proud creek]

Android 10

[hybrid tendon]

Man I wish they would fix it I wanna see how it runs

[echo lynx]

i think I have enough storage guys for this

[molten furnace]

Second phone got Android 13 its just short of ram lel

[proud creek]

What...

I read the ROM size as MB for a sec...

[echo lynx]

lmao

[half tapir]

I got 8GB of RAM

[errant lichen]

help I only have 3 GB of ram XD

[echo lynx]

rip

[cobalt pine]

Most ppl in VRC with Plus sure have 8+GB phones, no surprises there

[proud creek]

Yes

[molten furnace]

Damn lmfao

[echo lynx]

640 available

[cobalt pine]

Why tho? Idk where you live but here, 2nd hand 4gb phones are in the 40-50USD price range, and 6gb 50-70USD

[echo lynx]

maybe look at some tracphones?

[errant lichen]

idk, I got it from my dad

[errant lichen]

what's that?

[molten furnace]

Or you can just buy a flagship LG for like a hundred dollars lol

[proud creek]

Rip LG

[half tapir]

3GB RAM is pain even for normal usage

[ripe sorrel]

Why the fuq no vpoor

I want vpoor

I need bc of model

Discrimination

[half tapir]

No vpoor for you

[echo lynx]

So instead of paying monthly for a phone service you could just pay for calls text and stuff like that when if runs out. Makes it less heavy on monthly bills and its a good burner phone

[ripe sorrel]

but what if vpoor bc vrcstation is broken

[molten furnace]

I still don't know why they just stopped making phones lol

[ripe sorrel]

and needs to be setup a few m from avatar

[echo lynx]

i had lg

Switched to motorola

[molten furnace]

Ew

[half tapir]

I constantly switch phone brands. Currently i have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro

[proud creek]

I miss my Oneplus 7 Pro

[echo lynx]

sounds expensive

[half tapir]

Around 300€

[molten furnace]

I've had a samsung since LG was shitting on everyone

Which was like

2014 to 2016

[echo lynx]

My phone was more expensive then rip

[boreal moss]

I paid 300€ for 8 GB of RAM / 128 GB of STORAGE and Snapdragon 778G and well AMOLED screen whatnot. Phones are darn cheap.

[half tapir]

Which phone you have

[boreal moss]

Xiaomi 11 Lite 5G NE with Lineage 20

[half tapir]

Mine has amoled too. It's pretty cool

[cobalt pine]

Refurb LG V60 here is $250 on Amazon

[half tapir]

Ah ok. My phone doesn't have 5G support

[molten furnace]

They don't even sell em in normal stores anymore 😭

[half tapir]

Wouldn't be able to use 5G anyways

[echo lynx]

Motorola edge+ 2022 512gb unlocked carrier
Cosmo blue

Around 1k usd or 499 usd i guess as of rn. Seems they doing a discount since to 2023 came out

[cobalt pine]

Same, Poco X3 Pro Stock here. Hatin that ram management

[half tapir]

My contract doesn't support 5G

[fallow laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1142149989187981362/1142149989523521667/Screenshot_20230818_203133_VRChat.jpg?width=619&height=515 why do i keep getting this in the game now on my phone

oh ok

[echo lynx]

mine does

[cobalt pine]

Whyyyyyy

[echo lynx]

no one reads lol

[half tapir]

At least i have no data caps

[molten furnace]

Phones can cost 80$ and have 5g and a 90hz screen nowadays

[echo lynx]

I have my phone through boost mobile

[fallow laurel]

I only played for 2 minutes does it depend how many are using the app?

[echo lynx]

i think

Its being capped rn

sooooo

[half tapir]

Vrchat can only do 10k requests to integrity check a day

[fallow laurel]

!warn @vital ploverspamming

[vital plover]

**Hey!**👋
My prefix in this server is: %.
Use the %help command to get a list of commands.

[dusty pumice]

Time to sit and wait

[fallow laurel]

okayyyy this is interesting

looks like kids cant access it easily after all

[half tapir]

For now

[dusty pumice]

Well that's a good thing lmao

[cobalt pine]

So you were playing, and then got kicked out? Even tho you already logged in?

[half tapir]

Unfortunately end of this month I'll lose access again lol

[half tapir]

It checks every time you join an instance

[desert mango]

Whats this????

[cobalt pine]

Dude

[fallow laurel]

no its after i stopped

[dusty pumice]

But just wait for the alpha to be over THEN kids will probably be all over VRChat then chaos will break which is something I really don't feel like dealing with

[echo lynx]

reading hard

[echo lynx]

True

[half tapir]

Just go to pc only worlds

[cobalt pine]

I see. Then lucky who's already in, they better not close the game

[echo lynx]

Normally golden rule is dont get on vrchat on christmas or christmas eve.

[fallow laurel]

i was really excited to play with my gf who doesnt have a pc or quest guess its f-ed then

[dusty pumice]

Oh god 💀

[echo lynx]

the amount in black cat

Its scary tbh

[cobalt pine]

YyyyyEp, gLaD JHP iS Pc OnLy

[dusty pumice]

We don't speak of the black cat

[cobalt pine]

Will be my refugee

[echo lynx]

rip

[dusty pumice]

I don't even play vrc as much but it'd be nice to actually have it on the go

[molten furnace]

Someone asked me if vrc will work on a galaxy 13 5g

[echo lynx]

probably

[dusty pumice]

Galaxy what now

[proud creek]

?

[dusty pumice]

My tired brain isn't functioning rn

[cobalt pine]

Same, whenever I get on is sleepy time, and a warm headset doesn't help, so I end up falling asleep within 30 minutes ;-;

[echo lynx]

SAME

[cold steeple]

has anyone taken a "photo"of the irl gathering using the app yet?

[dusty pumice]

For me I only get on with my bf or if I am really bored and rarely avatar testing

[echo lynx]

irl gathering?

[cobalt pine]

I wish

[cold steeple]

give me a sec

[bleak dust]

I keep getting a token error

[echo lynx]

pls elaborate my brain no work

[echo lynx]

Everyone is

[molten furnace]

Possible ngl

[dusty pumice]

Gtg back to my college class. Currently learning packet tracer and I gotta be there for it. See y'all later

[echo lynx]

yeah

[bleak dust]

Thanks

[cold steeple]

I think the app will take these meetings to the next level
https://fxtwitter.com/texiga_2525/status/1285917508424220672?s=20

[molten furnace]

I got a a13 somewhere in here

I gotta find it

[echo lynx]

interesting

[proud creek]

I have this for some reason

[cobalt pine]

More like...:

[echo lynx]

man I just wanna get on and see how well it runs

[molten furnace]

I heard those things so smol

[zinc sapphire]

hrmmm yes today we shall release android test without asking google to increase the limit in advance

[honest raft]

Bruh wait how soon

[zinc sapphire]

to me the message means "soon, but its not important"

[lost ore]

"minor mis-calculation"

[echo lynx]

[zinc sapphire]

did want to test this now cuz my work wifi times out every 5 seconds (thanks 4 seconds ping)

[molten furnace]

Found it

Now to test if I can download

[honest raft]

I just got vrc plus for this now I have to wait imagine the day it runs out the issue is fixed😭

[echo lynx]

Transfered my boost so I could use other server emojis

[echo lynx]

i would cry

[cold steeple]

[lost ore]

I'm sure it won't take that long lol

[buoyant zinc]

adress it now ffs

[lost ore]

nope

[echo lynx]

bro it came out yesterday calm downnnn

[lost ore]

cope n seeeeethe

[honest raft]

Lol imma save some funds just incase don't trust vrchat Devs with "soon"

[lost ore]

it's called an alpha for a reason

[lost ore]

lol

[molten furnace]

[echo lynx]

rip

[molten furnace]

This thing haven't been charged in forever lol

[echo lynx]

9%

[lost ore]

rip

[molten furnace]

I'm shoked it turned on ngl

I found it in the closet

[lost ore]

epiccc

[cold steeple]

will vrchat collaborate with a smartphone manufacturer to release a vrchat edition phone?

[cobalt pine]

I had to cut the video, got smolNitro

[lost ore]

that's waaaay to far in the future lmao

[molten furnace]

I hope not

[echo lynx]

It look funni

[cobalt pine]

Don't think so, but maybe iPhone covers as merch will be a thing

[echo lynx]

rip

[cold steeple]

I hope Vrchat will someday have a virtual phone with a camera to call your friends in other worlds and from an app on your phone you can also call your friends with a real camera.

[west arrow]

if a vrchat edition of a phone comes out i want the default wallpaper to be grass

[echo lynx]

Sounds complicated

might not happen

not even the quest can use the stream camera so

[echo lynx]

read pin

[west arrow]

If you get a message about not getting an integrity token, that's normal. It's a limit that Google implements that will have to be increased. We'll be addressing this soon!

[maiden heart]

Sweet thx

[neat grove]

So what does it mean?

[raw osprey]

I am trying to play with my walmart nokia but it doesnt let me login

[echo lynx]

it mean theres too many requests rn for people to join basically

think of it like a hard limit

[west arrow]

its a security thing for android devices to prevent modifications of apks

[cobalt pine]

It's possible, there's a shader that allows your avatar to be seen in multiple instances without having to even load your Avi. More like a sci-fi protection you see in movies

[vapid sable]

have you overclocked it?

[cobalt pine]

Lol (couldn't even read the full message before it got deleted)

[neat grove]

Ahhh I see

Thank you, I shall wait then

[molten furnace]

Modify the files to vrchat mobile to support your phone or root it

[west arrow]

you can typically get in mornings british time with no issue

[west arrow]

all the above

[raw osprey]

yes, i put a powerbank connected to it with a aliexpress type C cable

[molten furnace]

It won't play the best but on some phones accordingly the increasing screen size trick would give you at least 10+ fps lol

[vapid sable]

that's the wrong brick to use

[neat grove]

I'm usually on 10pm pst lol ( California time)

[west arrow]

home bomb making exercise?

[raw osprey]

I am humble, just that

[west arrow]

that will work

[raw osprey]

I tried to use my old siemens but aparently cant install apps on it

[cobalt pine]

Meanwhile, people when VRChat Mobile gets fully released:

[dusty pumice]

My PC loading a 1GB world in VR be like:

[west arrow]

i have a old pentium 4 cooler i use when playing switch games XD

[cold steeple]

No why not. It just takes the image from the camera and the sound. even a super low resolution 360 by 360 will do. And it's sent to the servers and then received in another world or on a phone over the internet.

[proud creek]

VRChat Mobile CardboardVR mode when

[west arrow]

i was gonna ask about that i have a old daydream with a 3 dof controller

[cobalt pine]

Y E S, + Xbox controller

[molten furnace]

[vapid sable]

"why does my phone not work in vrchat? it isn't even that heavy."
the phone in question:

[cold steeple]

I'm scared to try installing a Vrchat on a switch. But it has 4gb of RAM, so it probably won't install there.

[half tapir]

Do it anyways

[molten furnace]

It probably will if you do some extra stuff

[dusty pumice]

Do it it'll be funny

[west arrow]

i just realise there is gonna be a new flood of people on XDA asking for vrchat optimised roms like they did with PUBG

[neat grove]

Oh I got in with my other phone. ( pixel 7a)

I kept getting that one issue with my fold 4)

[proud creek]

Pff

If people are gonna try to play VR chat on Switch then how do they communicate?

[cold steeple]

why haven't I seen a picture of Vrchat on tablet yet

[brave blaze]

I know exactly how to make it install. Your welcome to DM me for the instructions

[west arrow]

someone already posted it running on a Mi Pad

[cobalt pine]

👀

[molten furnace]

We gonna have vrchat running on this?

[proud creek]

What about those android powered flip phones

[mystic moat]

sorry. caps lock

[brave blaze]

I love how there's so many people challenging everything to get it installed on the weirdest things lmao, can't wait for someone to play from a fridge or coffee pot

[west arrow]

watch me hop on movie and chill with this bad boy

[cobalt pine]

I want tone of those, no jk

[proud creek]

When does it release for Windows Phone

[mystic moat]

i hope your joking. it will never run on old phone

[cobalt pine]

Doom be like:

[mystic moat]

No! o.O too weak

[brave blaze]

are you serious

[proud creek]

I don't own one

[dusty pumice]

Y'all are doing it wrong we playing VRChat on this:

[west arrow]

wait vrchat UWP would be lit imagine having a fortnite kid scream at you over a xbox live mic

[mystic moat]

LOL! sure why not!

[cold steeple]

VR computer system

[brave blaze]

Someone gonna be playing vrc from a freaking paramotor or somethin now

[dusty pumice]

Lmfaooo

[proud creek]

Actually Atari made a modern version of this that just runs on ryzen so it could be possible 🤔

[dusty pumice]

Ayo VRChat on the atari when?

[mystic moat]

i think it need some mods for Atair to run it

[proud creek]

My Wii U collecting dust

[dusty pumice]

Fuck it port vrchat on the wii u next

[proud creek]

Yes there is a BIOs lock but people are able to bypass that and install windows

[dusty pumice]

The old vrchat logo oml 💀

[proud creek]

I don't think that's...

[dusty pumice]

Funny thing is the wii u and new 3ds can run unity

[proud creek]

ye

[dusty pumice]

The poor thing would explode just showing the vrchat logo spinning

[molten furnace]

Lol

No joke me and some people currently figuring out ways to play vrc on unsupported devices

[proud creek]

I mean, it runs minecraft

[dusty pumice]

Oh god, I remember crashing that with TNT on my new 3ds that I had

[proud creek]

Yea

[west arrow]

we need someone with a smart fridge to try vrc on it

[proud creek]

You need a lot of TNT for it to crash

[dusty pumice]

Mmmm yes nintendo handwarmer

[brave blaze]

There's a couple good tricks I know

[cobalt pine]

Sure can run Vrchat

[molten furnace]

Share

[brave blaze]

Dm lmao

[dusty pumice]

Me over here about to laugh my ass off in my college IT class 💀

[west arrow]

Soon:
why vrc laggy dev please fix

[dusty pumice]

Is that a S6 lmao

[west arrow]

galaxy core prime

[dusty pumice]

Even worse

[orchid owl]

Hello i actually made it into a public version of McDonald's and then stayed for a few seconds before i crashed i updated the app recently so maybe that helped a little bit?

[molten furnace]

Missed my galaxy grand prime

That shit was so good

[proud creek]

The Samsung View

[orchid owl]

Whats that?

[proud creek]

18inch tablet go brr

[orchid owl]

Is that the grand prime?

[west arrow]

OMFG

i forgot that existed

[dusty pumice]

Me and the boys running vrc on one of these:

[orchid owl]

Dang

[dusty pumice]

Needs more STREEEETCH

[bright socket]

Is there any plans of getting VRChat outside of the Play Store? Not all Android devices have Play Store.

[dusty pumice]

How does your android not have the play store

[proud creek]

Gotta play VR chat on the Amazon fire tablet

[orchid owl]

I don't even see it in the play store when i searched for it

[west arrow]

gonna melt that turd

[orchid owl]

I had to use the link here

[bright socket]

Huawei smartphones such as the P40 don't have Play Store nor can be installed.

[proud creek]

VRChat on Amazon firestick?

[dusty pumice]

I see it when I look for it

I didn't need to use the link either

[orchid owl]

Is it because hauweii did something bad

[cobalt pine]

Awwwyeeeeeea

[naive bluff]

You don't know about the Huawei thing?

[dusty pumice]

Huawei is banned in the USA and google banned their services on their phones

[orchid owl]

I do but forgot why

[naive bluff]

Alleged spying.

[orchid owl]

Oh okay

I once owned a huawei until that news came out

[proud creek]

Not like there are any other brands spying on us right now👀

[brave blaze]

The new "can it run crisis" is "can it run vrchat"

[bright socket]

Anyway I have to get most apps through alternative stores or apks. The phone runs perfectly games such as Arknights, Neural Cloud, Genshin, or Star Rail, it's just that I can't get apps from Google Play Store, so it would be nice to have an alternative source for VRChat app.

[void yew]

I'm running it on a Samsung 23 Ultra.

[brave blaze]

Aurora

[cobalt pine]

144fps

[little halo]

Same and I hit 60fps in a pub blackcat with 20+ players

[bright socket]

But for that VRChat should have to be available on Aurora I guess?

[void yew]

Lol, I was running 60fps in the home world.

[cobalt pine]

Wut? Is it one try per device or what? Been trying all day to get in, I install it on my tablet and works straight away

[brave blaze]

Aurora uses the play store and installs apps directly from Google, no 3rd party sketchy stuff

[molten furnace]

If it shows up that is lol

[orchid owl]

What does aurora do different then the play store?

[bright socket]

Right now VRChat doesn't show up searching it on the Play Store, so I guess it won't be available in Aurora:
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=VRChat&c=apps

[brave blaze]

It's just an alternative for devices where the play store doesn't work, and allows for more privacy

[orchid owl]

Oh

[brave blaze]

Trust me, it does

[orchid owl]

Well my playstore works

Just the game needs more optimization

[grizzled coral]

But presumably (considering the integrity token pinned message) you'd still need google play services, so would it still work?

Or more like, what is the point then

[brave blaze]

Actually don't know, and I also as always don't recommend installing it any way other than the official play store listing unless you 100% know what you are doing and aren't going to report bugs that are caused by using it on an unsupported system

[cobalt pine]

Lenovo P11 kinda works, freezes, but works

[brave blaze]

I only installed it on a slightly underpowered (by literally half a gig of ram) device so I could test my worlds and avatars on Android now since I don't own a quest

[orchid owl]

Did it work

[brave blaze]

Yes, I am able to play using a pixel 4xl

[orchid owl]

Nice

Have you tried joining McDonald's yet

And if so how does it do?

[echo lynx]

https://dx30.gumroad.com/l/HoloSpace?layout=discover&recommended_by=search&_gl=1*1eo2gd4*_ga*MjEzNjY4NjI4Ny4xNjgwMjM2MjI2*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTY5MjM4MTk2NS4xMDEuMS4xNjkyMzgzNDUxLjAuMC4w

I found the thingy

[viral narwhal]

damn, cant even download the VRChat app bc i have a huawei 💀

[worn drum]

Aurora store time 👿

[bright socket]

I just installed Aurora Store, logged in with my gmail account (joined to the testing program), but I can't find VRChat app. It doesn't show up.

[worn drum]

gotta search vrchat [alpha]

not just vrchat

[bright socket]

Omg thank you, it appeared. Downloading rn.

[orchid owl]

Hopefully it works

[cobalt pine]

Guys, try joining now, I've been able to access with 3 devices already

[brave blaze]

I haven't, only been alone in my home world and a box, been at work all day so no chance to talk or test anything more

[orchid owl]

Oh

[bright socket]

I was able to install and open the app, then login, then my home downloaded, the "Go!" button appears, but when I press it I just get a black screen with "Alpha Build 1335" on the top right corner and then it crashes after a minute. (Huawei P40. Installed through Aurora Store.)

[cold steeple]

What if it says your account has too many login attempts?

[tacit summit]

Got it running on a low end phone

Galaxy A32

@swift token would it be morally correct to install VRchat and run it natively on a smart fridge

[proud creek]

People installing VRChat on the fridges in BestBuy

[echo lynx]

I GOT IN

[bright socket]

Nevermind, it works with "Default home". VRChat running smooth on Huawei P40. For some reason it doesn't load world Cyber Love Suites 3.

Thank you

[cold steeple]

how do you login to vrchat

[hybrid tendon]

Let me in to the alpha!!!

[cold steeple]

yay i loggined

[hybrid tendon]

I want to do theogginend

I will use excessive force like my Skyrim dragon shout

[muted kayak]

Is there a way to get access to the alpha without having VRC+ ?

[hybrid tendon]

You have to be cool and VIP

I'm on the list but they didn't add me inyet

I'm sure it's a mistake though

[muted kayak]

Wdym ?

[hybrid tendon]

Yknowz the 'cool' people person list that isn't a code word at all

[muted kayak]

I don't get it 💀

[barren field]

nope

[hybrid tendon]

That's technically misinformation checkmate

[barren field]

you're just vomiting words

[worn drum]

The best way to play vrchat

[merry stream]

😭

[brave blaze]

I want to see this

[wary umbra]

that feel when i cannot get into even the poor ranking on my avi because the base model alone, is over the poly limit, and decimating it, absoutly destroys the avi

[worn drum]

Time to properly cut down polys instead of decimating

[wary umbra]

if only i was blender savy enough to know how

[worn drum]

Only one way to learn c:

This'll finally be that motivation

sipp actually has some really good tutorial vids for quest avi conversion, covers a bit of blender in them

[wary umbra]

link?

[grim lotus]

Thought it had 6GB?

[worn drum]

It's not as hard as it may seem, when modifying avi's ; creating from scratch is a different story though

This vid is the one that i followed along with though https://youtu.be/8MkgXcidxg4

[grim lotus]

Niiice, 4GB version?

[tacit summit]

Yeah, if I use your avatar hiding thing I shouldn't be able to max out it's ram, however I believe the instillation is on my SD card which explains the slowdowns

[median jolt]

That guy fucking sucks

[tacit summit]

It should still operate even with page filing

[brave blaze]

It does but it has some dedicated to the GPU and only actually says it has 5.4 GB

[worn drum]

Nah that guy is pretty cute c:

[grim lotus]

I mean I think that's expected

[ebon bay]

How do you open the action menu in android?

[brave blaze]

The play store does not consider the pixel 4xl as supported, though it runs quite well even compared to some of the actually supported phones

Since the play store listing is limiting based on REPORTED ram it eliminates almost any phone that actually has just 6 GB

[neat grove]

Pixel7a gives me 22fps black cat public

Fold 4 gives me 43fps black cat public.

So not to bad for alpha ^_^

My rog ally in vrc mode gives me 57-71fps 🙂 I'm impressed by the power of pc handhelds

Just wanted to try my luck with pc worlds on my phone ( darn) lol

[brave blaze]

I personally feel that the play store listing should limit to only phones that have 4+ GB, but recommend 6+ (this would enable a whole chunk of pixel phones from the 4-5, and a ton of others that have high end CPU and GPU)

[grim lotus]

oh no that would explode at the moment. The Quest 1 has 4GB, more of it available to the game than most phones... and it crashes in most worlds these days

Workin' on it though!

[brave blaze]

Im just looking for some way to enable pixel 4s to be able to use the play store since they function quite well, but are technically "unsupported" due to the 6 GB requirement lmao

Cause I don't want to be doing the crazy things I am to get it working XD but I'm also a few months away from buying a new phone

[grim lotus]

We'll get there! I actually specifically ordered a Pixel 4 XL to test on, so you'll be getting first-class support... eventually

[tacit summit]

Virtual memory, wouldn't that work? Similar to what windows does when your ram gets too full

[proud creek]

The storage!!

[grim lotus]

nah, Android doesn't really do paged memory, beyond ZRAM these days

The Quest itself has it disabled completely

[brave blaze]

4xl runs it great, takes a few seconds for the world to load up and be functional for movement especially in heavy udon worlds it seems

[brave blaze]

pixel 4xl has swapfile built in

[tacit summit]

Crap, could you force the game to run at a lower resolution?

[grim lotus]

That wouldn't do anything - it's the objects loaded into memory that's the problem, not the render speed

(but yes I have plans for that, better than swapping!)

[grizzled coral]

My samsung does have "Ram+" (which is just virtual memory).
Can't assume it to exist (or be turned on), but presumably that should help right, at least against crashing?

[brave blaze]

Should speed it up a tad and allow more avatars/complex worlds

[grim lotus]

You'll just sorta 'suffer' rather than 'crash' in that case

[grizzled coral]

At least it isn't suffering in VR.

[brave blaze]

I left vrchat running in the background all day and forgot about it, phone is almost dead now

Ya know, really cool idea would be to allow limiting vrchat on any platform to use only a specific amount of ram, and if an avatar is attempted to load when that limit is reached it would cancel loading 🤔

[grim lotus]

Like I said, I'm working on it |3

[brave blaze]

Just tossing thoughts, I'll do more testing on my 4xl in a couple hours when I get off work

[neat grove]

In VR through my phone? I have tested it with my steam deck, gpd wm2 + rog ally. & rog ally was the winner 🙂

[ancient birch]

Were you able to join that world?

I don't see PC worlds. I just see Quest.

[proud creek]

I remember trying to run VRChat in VR with a ryzen 5 2500U and I got 15-30fps in a murder 4 lobby

[ancient birch]

I can't see PC avatars also

[grizzled coral]

Yeah, it is android, it only sees Quest stuff.

[faint pier]

Is there any other way of getting the Vrc apk since my phone has 4gb of ram?

I know it will crash a lot, but I want to destroy my phone since it's very similar to the quest 1, and I want to take a funny screenshot with my switch. (I modded to to run android.)

[echo lynx]

Not the best view

[brave blaze]

Oh Jesus, joined a public black cat and my pixel 4xl HATES the pickups lmao, lagged at 1 fps for like 5 minutes before I just gave up... The pickups were just loading in SOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOW

[echo lynx]

lolol

[umbral scaffold]

running vrc android on win 11 fun

[icy knot]

Wait, actually that might be enough reason for me to upgrade to W11...

[plain anvil]

When iOS

[umbral scaffold]

this fps

[brave blaze]

I started a new instance and it ran nice and smooth, 40-50 fps steady, phone getting TOASTY tho

[nimble path]

Lol vrchat is trending on twitter

[lunar bobcat]

Good thing I made a vrchat model using only Vroid mobile

[umbral scaffold]

yea running this on win just very fun

[next vault]

Is anyone else having an issue, saying that your password/username is incorrect, when you know it is correct?

[velvet badge]

the only time I get that error is if I accidentally do a typo that I don't initially notice
However, if you changed your username, your original username is still used, not your new one. at least afaik. idk if they changed that recently

[vale edge]

Use email

[velvet badge]

or that, email works.

[echo lynx]

it really does get hot lol

[next vault]

I haven't changed my username, and I know my password is correct, because I changed it twice, and even using my email, it comes up with the same message

[brave blaze]

Free hand warmer for those cold lonely nights

[echo lynx]

fr

[spiral basalt]

Got a strange message saying it detected something and to protect me vrchat would close

[brave blaze]

Make sure you aren't accidentally putting a space at the end of your username, android likes to put a space at the end of you use auto complete

[next vault]

Yup, that was it

Just one thing to say, F*** you android autofill

[brave blaze]

Lmao someone should actually open a bug report or whatever for this, as trailing spaces should be stripped anyway

[brave blaze]

I am interested in what it detected O.o

[wet sorrel]

Had my first crash on mobile from people loading in a Friends+, but Safety has been at normal with everyone on fallback

FPS got down to 3 in Sovren's Chill Home

Everyone notice my mic was not clear

[velvet badge]

Agreed. F*** autofill. although it helps me in some cases such as using my fold underwater where phantom touch is an issue

[wet sorrel]

Changing comnnection from cell to wifi will end the instance, and you rejoin the world again

[velvet badge]

wait... I can play VRChat underwater now

[wet sorrel]

Apparantly? get a phone with more than 6 GB if joining friends

Any suggestions for raising FPS on mobile?

[upper fossil]

would this be a 'questtop' mode of sorts? lol

[zinc sapphire]

uwaa this tab isnt needed

[lusty perch]

I was able to get in, but I have almost no mic volume on VRChat Android. I have the same headset connected to PC and Android at the same time (it can do that), and it's SOOO quiet on Android... almost not registering any audio.

[zinc sapphire]

i was getting a solid 20 with 5 people and a hq mirror

[hybrid tendon]

wait how do i do it

Second attempt to get vip alpha beta access on mobile !!!

Give give give

I no pay no money

[proud creek]

Quest version go brr

[rose leaf]

not sure what you're trying to achieve here

[balmy jetty]

I played yesterday using the external screen of the flip 5 xD it was so... oddly small, but worked perfectly. Audio is lowish in my opinion though.

[brave blaze]

So biggest thing I've noticed on a slightly lower end technically not supported? Phone, if the world has a bunch of synced pickups (eg: black cat) they will DESTROY frames for a long time while they are syncing their positions

At least that's what it seems to be 🤔

[hybrid tendon]

i will just wait

[frail lantern]

It’s been stuck on this screen. Wonder what the problem could be.

[hybrid tendon]

until get money

[hybrid tendon]

Access

[rose leaf]

then pay for VRC+, simple.

[hybrid tendon]

I'm pogchamp tho

[next vault]

you need vrc+

[dense dagger]

Yall do realize that this is only going to attract more dumbass kids with brush avatars to public groups making it impossible for the people who have been in vrchat since the age of Ugandan knuckles to enjoy anything about vrchat anymore. I thought you guys where stupid when you added an anti cheat system to a social game but this takes the whole shit flavored cake

[hybrid tendon]

Yo gimmie that's interest access my IGN is same as username

[calm ember]

When the issue is gone and people stop asking

[heady sparrow]

Damn thats negative for something that is nice to have

[rose leaf]

to play the android version yes

for the time being

[dense dagger]

For those of us who have been in vrchat for years now yes it is a good thing to have. But there needs to be a limit on it. Like only people who have been part of vrchat be able to use it. Like your rank as a user or something. Cause if you don't regulate it the amount of trolls and kidsa will grow to the point no public world will be without 20 12 year old kids running around screaming through a shitty android phone mic

[calm ember]

You can watch the update video to get more info

[dense dagger]

And i know that we already have that with quest users but this will make it 100 times worse

[heady sparrow]

not really

[molten furnace]

Someone's triggered about the upcoming beta lol

[dense dagger]

Im not triggered at all, im just trying to get people ready for the brush-pocalypse

[serene jay]

I cant believe we're at the point theres players with phones more powerful than their laptops

[serene jay]

Some phones have face tracking support, its going to happen sooner or later

[dense dagger]

My final pont to all of this is simple. This is V R chat. Not phonechat

[proud creek]

RecRoom

[pearl mulch]

desktop mode already exists

[brave blaze]

They are simply making the game more accessible to everyone, this also adds the ability for world and a avatar creators to test their stuff from an android platform without having to shell out money for a quest. All the points you are making were made years ago about the quest and guess what? It's still rare even today to find a kid under 13 running around, and guess what else? There is and has always and will always be a block button! It is not going to be a detriment to the game at all, in fact it will be a MUCH better tool and make all of vrchat better

[pearl mulch]

and you could just hang out in PC only world if you don't want to ever see mobile users

[molten furnace]

PC worlds

[dense dagger]

Just voicing my opinion guys

[brave blaze]

Also limiting it to only people who have previously played to achieve x rank is about the worst thing they could possibly do. What this will do is allow new users to join, find a community, and likely buy a PC and VR so they can get more into it!

[molten furnace]

And besides there ain't enough players in sessions honestly 🤌

[brave blaze]

Your opinions are horrible at best... Usually I don't bash on people's opinions but if your opinion is to make a new thing only usable by people who have already been in the game for some time, that is just a horrible elitist opinion. You have many ways of avoiding all of the supposed negative things that you claim will happen, so do those things

[molten furnace]

They just want vrchat to have more people playing

Literally that's it

[brave blaze]

They are enabling more users, and in turn VR equipment is likely to have an uptick in sales which is amazing! I want more new people in the amazing realm of VR

[dense dagger]

Aside from the whole android thing. I know they will eventually get this going on iPhone, and with apple coming out with there own headset are they now going to be adding and apple user side when creating worlds and avatars? Or is it just gonna run off a modified android version

[orchid owl]

Same

[brave blaze]

Unity has to be built for Android, Windows, and Apple, but there's a likelihood they will be able to work something out to enable just the two uploads we currently do, one for PC one for mobile

Since the only difference will be the platform, and not the actual limits, I'd bet there will be an "upload once" and it will convert Android to iOS, but we will find out when the day comes

[orchid owl]

Turtle dude still typing one year later

[brave blaze]

Lmfao

[torpid drift]

Having to build for also iOS is going to be a pain, they'll need a way for the server to compile both android/iOS builds instead

[orchid owl]

I tried to send it before you stopped typing

[torpid drift]

if you have to build for iOS separately there's going to be barely any content for iOS

[hybrid tendon]

It's been another thirsty minutes it's time to ask again for instant vrc app access free thx

[orchid owl]

No

Only reason i say no is because i had to pay for it so why shouldn't you

[hybrid tendon]

Because I'm coo l

[proud creek]

s

[hybrid tendon]

250k + discord messages easily in lifetime

[hybrid tendon]

I saw ur video originally

[brave blaze]

Just wait for the full release? Then it will be free!

[hybrid tendon]

NAHHH I got to get in right nowzo

[brave blaze]

Then you will have to pay to be a supporter of vrchat. Very simple and helps the game get better and better!

[hybrid tendon]

Nahh

[brave blaze]

Then stop complaining 🤔

[maiden socket]

is Redmi Note 12s that has 8GB RAM,256GB internal storage and android 13+
compatible for vrchat mobile apk?

[dull lily]

I don't have money, but I'll post this image I made here anyways

[hybrid tendon]

I call it appealing

[brave blaze]

Should be!

[hybrid tendon]

Ok I'll be back in 30 minute

[worn drum]

It's more known as being a nuisance

[maiden socket]

@brave blaze
ah i am so so carefull about those thing now
bcz the previouse devices cost me almost like a fortune

anyway thank you for the help 👍

[proud creek]

You can always check the playstore if it's compatible but won't know about performance

[worn drum]

based

[brave blaze]

Currently the requirements are android 10 or higher, and 6 GB ram or higher (workarounds available but not recommended for the ram)

[proud creek]

There are so many people using their switch running android to try the alpha lol

[maiden socket]

@brave blaze
yes i know
but if i buy android with 6gb of ram i will only have 4gb because the system and other integrated apps that can't be disabled use 2gb of ram
so the vrchat will tell me again "your hardware is not compatible to install this app"
so i better up for the smartphone or tablet that has 8gb of ram and i will then have 6gb of ram
which is compatible for the vrchat on mobile

[ancient birch]

Oh yeah autofill makes a space after the text on username I dealt with it too

[proud creek]

The quest 2 has 6gb of ram. The quest 1 had 4 and isn't supported anymore because there isn't much to work with and sends you back home with an out of memory error

[ancient birch]

How?

[proud creek]

Side loading the vrchat Mobile app onto quest

[grizzled coral]

VRChat on Quest 2 only has access to 4GB of RAM.

[edgy saddle]

Thats good to know!

[ancient birch]

Horrible pfp it's not the true Lucifer

[ancient birch]

Bro just shut up. You're not getting it. It's that simple

[thorny star]

totally uncalled for

[ancient birch]

That's interesting

[vale edge]

Bros replying to all the comments lol

[ancient birch]

I'm wondering if My VRC is having issues because me having 2GB left on my phone

[proud creek]

Gotta catch up

[vale edge]

Guess so lol

[proud creek]

If the Quest 1 struggles to have any ram left then well... Yeah

[ancient birch]

Just trying to make sure I don't miss anything

[vale edge]

There's a reason I literally never leave my world on Quest 1 lmao. Very few places work well

[maiden socket]

huh really?
i didn't know about it
oh well i will buy the phone with 8gb ram just in case vrchat make more ram consuming worlds and avatars for vrchat mobile apk

[proud creek]

2GB allocated to the system and background processes on the quest

[grizzled coral]

More RAM will definitely help, the Quest 2 just simply doesn't have enough. (mainly against crashing)

[ancient birch]

I mentioned this before but I can't get over how every phone acts different. This world had a pink sea

[proud creek]

Cool missing shader

[ancient birch]

Also had a pink pool, and some pink pillows

I couldn't see myself in the mirror at first

That's what the first ss is

The world is normally fine but >< It's pink in some places on my phone

[proud creek]

VRchat World SDK also warns developers about shaders that might not be compatible in android

[ancient birch]

Ikr so pretty

I wonder if this is what Quest users see. Scary

[vale edge]

Also that's Magenta. Not pink. Ffs smh xP

[ancient birch]

Oh boy a we got a professional /j

[vale edge]

[ancient birch]

I'm not good with color specifics

[proud creek]

Gotta specify the Hex code for the color

[ancient birch]

I forgot the hex for magenta

Lmao

[vale edge]

Imma get it tattooed on my ass

[proud creek]

Pff

[molten furnace]

I just now seeing worlds have a thousand people in them lol

[ancient birch]

Ahh

[brave blaze]

True, but with some technicalities. Best bet is to have 8+ agreed

[modern zinc]

Guys do you know how video player worlds work on mobile?

[hybrid tendon]

sirrr oh siirrrr

[ancient birch]

Side note: I find it funny how the point of the bot was to tell people what's wrong with the tokens situation on Google, but people still ask. Even in "Android Dev". Nit mad just find it funny that the bots existence just seems pointless

[hybrid tendon]

i come again to ask once more (but many more frequency is to e in the future yes)

will thy bee granted the right of vrchat mobile app for no currency or worth

the bell has struck thirtay

[vale edge]

Just go beg for VRC+ in vrc.

[hybrid tendon]

no i dont play the game

[vale edge]

Play the game.

[hybrid tendon]

i will reside in this channel once again when the clock tick 7 EST

[modern zinc]

Wait could realistically we could have mobile face tracking?

[blissful flint]

most likely

[modern zinc]

I mean it's a no brainer

[cosmic cobalt]

No I think he’s onto something here

I think VRC+ should be given out to anyone who asks nicely enough :-)

[lusty hazel]

Lol

[blissful flint]

would you be a pookie bear and waste 10 dollars on some random person that you dont know 😊

[native marsh]

omg lmfao

[molten furnace]

Go overkill and use 12gb of ram for vrc

[cosmic cobalt]

Only if they have a cat girl pfp and fancy letters and aesthetically pleasing emojis in their name

[gray gate]

It still said the same thing

[blissful flint]

i would never do such things thanks for the idea

[cosmic cobalt]

My friend’s method of choice is getting vrc+ from people who are incredibly drunk but hey the e-girl approach works too I hear

[maiden heart]

Imella stoked this is amazing

[proud creek]

Thought they didn't allow very poor avatars?

[maiden heart]

Apparently it dose

[blissful flint]

im just gonna beg my friends 24/7 for it 😎

[gray gate]

I wish I can play it but my phone isn't compatible :[

[blissful flint]

too much work

im lazy

[cosmic cobalt]

You can wear them but you can’t turn them on for other players

So if someone else is wearing a Quest Very Poor avatar you can’t show it

[blissful flint]

thats understandable

[torpid drift]

Locally yes, but other android players won’t see it. This issue is listed as known in the changelog

[proud creek]

Did they apply it to quest yet?

[cosmic cobalt]

Now please incorporate that to Quest VRC!

[proud creek]

Oh that answers my question

[cosmic cobalt]

I want to dissuade as many people as possible from uploading unoptimized crap

[ancient birch]

Hmm I need to do some edited to my video. I forgot to add how the camera works in my recording gonna have to make an extra video forthat

My recording will be mostly uncut except world loading tbf. I can't post until Sunday though.

[gray gate]

How come some phones can run on vrchat but not mine

[ancient birch]

Just compatibility is my guess.

[gray gate]

I don't get why it doesn't compatible to my phone, I have like android 12 versions

[ancient birch]

I have 13

[cosmic cobalt]

No idea what OS mine is because I use an iPhone now and I’ve just been testing on an old Galaxy S10 I used to use

[thin dome]

My method (accidentally) was making lots of public avatars for a specific fandom and someone happened to like them enough to give me a year of vrc+

Now I'm gonna get used to it so once it runs out I'll end up paying lol

[ancient birch]

My software info XD

[blissful flint]

i dont have a pc😔

i cant make avatars

[ancient birch]

;w; me neither

I honestly don't know how bad of an idea it waa to post this

[hybrid tendon]

Now 3 minutes has elapsed since 7 EST

If you are fancy you would say 19EST

[ancient birch]

So I deleted it xD. I just wanted to show I use a android 13

A71s are nice. Not fancy but nice

[proud creek]

Android 13 aaaa

[hybrid tendon]

yet again I send in an official inquiry to get vrchat app alpha access immediately free

[vale edge]

[proud creek]

[blissful flint]

you wont get banned for that?

[ancient birch]

Honestly I'm ignoring them at this point

[hybrid tendon]

Ahh I am determined

[brave blaze]

Amount of ram

[gray gate]

I think mine is just 2 gb of ram

[ancient birch]

They sound like a kid that wants VRC+ for simply asking. Although nicely asking could be cool, that defeats the purpose of vrc+. Maybe a discount but definitely not Free unless VRC made an event or something for it to be free for some odd amounts of people.

[vale edge]

Welp.

[brave blaze]

Ooooof yeah need at least 6, recommend much more

[ancient birch]

I have 6GB total. If I have 2 left is that bad?

[hybrid tendon]

Bro is lost

[gray gate]

I have found a way to change the ram size, it can change it from 2 GB to 4 GB but there's no 6 sadly

[brave blaze]

I was just in a black cat and turned the mirror on, and IMMIDIATELY audio died

[ancient birch]

[brave blaze]

Even 6 is on the low end of what works

[ancient birch]

One cannot live without thoust mirror

[brave blaze]

Audio just went bloop right out

[vale edge]

Audio crashing is common. Not from the mirror itself.

[half tapir]

unfortunate cause i cant see any of my friends avatars because of that lmao

[brave blaze]

Oh well lmao

[vale edge]

Yeah. Pretty much all my friends. Everyone is a fallback

[ancient birch]

If I load anyone but friends I'd crash most likely. So I am just gonna block everyone's avatars but friends

[hybrid tendon]

Will the app be available to other android devices?

[vale edge]

Neither of those are your actual memory. That's swap space

[ancient birch]

I think at the moment it's only compatible for 6GB Ram and Android 10 devices but I think the app is very picky. So not every phone with these requirements may allow download. I think there's a way around it somewhere in this chat xD

[half tapir]

how to erase 90% of all content

[cosmic cobalt]

Good, it’s unoptimized garbage

[half tapir]

so you want quest to simply have no content

[cosmic cobalt]

If I was able to program an entire smart phone and a slots machine into Quest avatars without hitting the very poor limit, so can other creators

[vale edge]

I get it. But tbh purging it is pretty rough. Disabled by default was fine with me. On mobile I can easily run maxed lobbies with zero safety too so it's kinda a bummer regardless. We'll see how it all works out tho. Most likely to proclaim it's all unoptimized but that's simply not the truth with how many factors can push you into vp.

[cosmic cobalt]

No I want Quest to have OPTIMIZED content

[half tapir]

only reason my avatar on quest is only poor rank is because someone else optimized for it lol. Otherwise i would have never bothered

[cosmic cobalt]

There is an INCREDIBLE amount of things you can do without hitting very poor, you just have to be smart about it and don’t take lazy shortcuts to port stuff to quest

I have a grand total of 1 very poor on quest and it’s solely because the mesh is triangulated and had too much detail to be decimated properly

[vale edge]

Lmao

[cosmic cobalt]

Every other facet of the avatar I optimized

[half tapir]

i can do almost nothing on quest

everything i do is not even allowed on quest lol

[cosmic cobalt]

Simply put you just have to abuse every tiny thing you can do with animators and animations

[opal needle]

Sounds like hell to touch the original file

[cosmic cobalt]

It was a game rip from Tears of the Kingdom, so sadly I don’t technically have the original file

[opal needle]

Ah lol

[cosmic cobalt]

That’s why I can’t just dissolve edge loops

[half tapir]

all my quest stuff is pretty much legacy content anyways now. New stuff i didnt upload for quest anymore

[cosmic cobalt]

I tried some cats optimizations but due to how the UVs are set up and the custom normals, it does not work well

It’s just simply not in the cards to optimize the actual geometry without completely re-topoing the model

But everything else is no problemo really in terms of optimizing

PC only base with 80k tris? No worries, destroy those edge loops

8 different materials slots? Time to put the UVs in corners and stitch the textures together

[ancient birch]

Lucky you. My game lags like hell sometimes

[cosmic cobalt]

Optimizing isn’t hard

It just takes knowledge and patience

[half tapir]

ive a good and very poor version on pc and thats all i really care about, since quest restrictions just feel awful

[cosmic cobalt]

And if you don’t care about how the model looks on quest, well just use cats tools and throw good old toon lit on there to hide the messed up normals

[cosmic cobalt]

I’ve never even gotten CLOSE to very poor on pc

[thorny star]

all meshes are triangulated on import

[ancient birch]

Are we talking about optimization? Cause I have no time to make stuff quest compatible

[cosmic cobalt]

The only poor avatar I have on pc is because it has a light source

[ancient birch]

Unless the avatars have quest versions already

I don't f*ck with it

[opal needle]

(They mean the source model)

[cosmic cobalt]

Yes but I’m talking about optimizing in blender when it’s still quads

[half tapir]

its easy if you have any fancy feature. Im 30k over poly limit and over bounds limit due to GPU particles

[cosmic cobalt]

Game rips are triangulated because well they’ve already been imported into an engine

[thorny star]

ah gotcha

[half tapir]

a lot of toys push you immediately to very poor

[thorny star]

problem is optimizing for quest is really fucking difficult

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s really not

It’s just fucking tedious

[ancient birch]

Thus difficult/annoying and useless

[cosmic cobalt]

Yes useless when it’s the majority of the player base now

[thorny star]

you say that as a person that knows what they're doing. how many people uploading avatars do you think actually know what they're doing?

[opal needle]

useless

[cosmic cobalt]

I play primarily on quest despite having a pc because that’s simply where more players are

[ancient birch]

Skill issue for kids

[half tapir]

which most are kids, thus irrelevant

[cosmic cobalt]

So just because they’re kids they get a shitty experience? That seems hardly fair

[half tapir]

these kids arent even allowed to play

[cosmic cobalt]

I’m talking about kids 13 or older who are within VRC’s TOS

I don’t discriminate who uses my content; I want everyone to enjoy it equally

[blissful flint]

this

[half tapir]

also i dont even know a single person on quest myself, so i dont have any reason to care

[tepid dagger]

NGL, I sometimes forget children exist in vrchat

[cosmic cobalt]

That’s how my friends were til they met me and had to start making quest stuff so I could see it lol

[whole crystal]

Anybody got a fix for Google saying your phone is not compatible when your phone clearly compatible

[ancient birch]

Actually it's fair. Lol. Imo. Kids are only on the game because parents are letting online babysit

That's my opinion

[cosmic cobalt]

Even if that’s the case, may as well make them happy so they don’t grow up having a shitty childhood right?

[thorny star]

I'm with you on this one, and the blame lies with oculus/meta for making the quest so tragically underpowered. Either that, or the blame lies with VRC for porting to quest and requiring an entire new platform to build content for. I refuse to blame the content creators or consumers on this one.

[ancient birch]

I mean they already are messing up their brains being exposed to a vr game

It's not good for them

[cosmic cobalt]

The hardware of the quest is pretty great, the firmware is just shitty and gets horribly throttled by bad cooling

[thorny star]

regardless of why, it's still the way it is.

[opal needle]

It’s essentially a phone, and the strict restrictions are definitely in part caused by meta’s restrictions

[cosmic cobalt]

The whole situation is damned if you do damned if you don’t because the nature of UGC is so unpredictable

[opal needle]

It’s honestly a miracle it was allowed on the meta store with its performance

[half tapir]

also quest content is awful to test

[cosmic cobalt]

Between vrc and college I’m very much encouraged to make optimized content. I know a lot of vrc creators aren’t simulation and game dev majors like me so it’s less important to them

[cosmic cobalt]

Why’s that? You just slip on the headset, launch vrc, boom it’s being tested

[thorny star]

until recently, it's just been straight up impossible for a lot of people

[thorny star]

it requires owning a quest? lol

[half tapir]

thats assuming someone has a quest

[cosmic cobalt]

Fair point there

[half tapir]

i have a quest 1

[cosmic cobalt]

But that being said, why not just test it with av3 emulator?

[ancient birch]

Overall. My opinion: I understand kids play the game and all that. However, although it's not their fault they can only use a Quest,people shouldn't be expected to make a quest compatible avatar cause not every avatar can be compatible or the steps is annoying so why waste the time?

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s not like like the shaders are drastically complex and need to be tested in various worlds

[thorny star]

there are plenty of documented cases where av3 emulator behaves differently than in game

[half tapir]

because it doesnt get same results. You cant test performance and for worlds it can behave in lots of weird ways

[thorny star]

also testing worlds was just straight up no-go

[vale edge]

Mobile is a bad way to test quest content too tbh. Aside from "yes it works and looks okay", anything past that would be useless, such as performance testing.

For world building, you really should own a quest

[cosmic cobalt]

I’m definitely aware of this one, my slots machine avatar’s random results don’t behave correctly in the editor but do in game

But typically, a quest avatar is not going to have such meticulous features

[vale edge]

If I used mobile to build a quest world I'd build a world that would be unplayable on any quest.

[half tapir]

have a grabpass shader accidentally in your world? have fun with vision only in one eye which you cant see on android or unity

[cosmic cobalt]

For worlds I just try to stick to standard or xstoon

[vale edge]

Still need to upload a quest world full of different shaders to test on mobile lol

[thorny star]

This combination of factors is why I have the position I do. Supporting content for multiple platforms is simply infeasible for most hobby creators.

[ancient birch]

So much is going on at once lol. I just don't like seeing under 13 kids on the platform.

[cosmic cobalt]

I don’t disagree at all

[ancient birch]

I can understand your perspective

[half tapir]

yeah most of my world also uses standard but then there are edge cases of shaders for glass and rain and seeing how audiolink behaves on quest

[cosmic cobalt]

You forget though that it’s not just kids on Quest VRC

[ancient birch]

All I am saying is not everyone may feel inclined to go through the process of making an avatar quest compatible

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s the casual everyday joes as well

[thorny star]

did someone say audiolink?

[half tapir]

yes

[thorny star]

:3

[cosmic cobalt]

Most PCVRC players are much more leaning towards vr enthusiasts

[ancient birch]

Well yeah, but still the statement stands

[cosmic cobalt]

I want to make content that can be enjoyed by ALL, not just enthusiasts like myself

[vale edge]

Me with my entire world using Poi and Shadertoy shaders on quest lmfao.

[ancient birch]

LMAO

[thorny star]

there is nothing less satisfying than creating content for an audience that lacks the ability to understand how impressive it is

[half tapir]

sometimes thats not feaseble

[cosmic cobalt]

Au contraire

[vale edge]

What, everyone doesn't have a ton of free time?

[cosmic cobalt]

If you put details and optimizations into every little facet of your work, people enjoy it subconsciously without even realizing why they love it

[half tapir]

like my quest avatars are not even nearly the same as on pc. Basically all features had to be cut out for quest

[cosmic cobalt]

That’s what I always love to see

[ancient birch]

Apparently

[half tapir]

since everything i do is forbidden components on quest

[ancient birch]

I second this

[cosmic cobalt]

It may not be always feasible, but that’s my dream as a developer

[vale edge]

The forbidden pass

[cosmic cobalt]

To make something that can make a vast majority of people happy and inspire others to try what I do as well

That’s why I love optimizing content and that’s why I’m in college for development

[vale edge]

Same. Which is why my world runs great on Quest 1.

[cosmic cobalt]

Because I want to make people happy with my creations

[ancient birch]

We aren't saying you shouldn't chase your dream we are just saying you shouldn't expect everyone to make stuff quest compatible

[half tapir]

my avatars on pc make use of shaders a ton for example

cant do that on quest

[thorny star]

If you're arguing that something is subconscious I can't refute that. The only response I have is that I think that sounds like bullshit - people enjoy the artistic vision, they don't care that the geometry is perfectly optimized and vertices with blendshapes are on their own mesh or whatever

[cosmic cobalt]

I don’t expect people to do so, I just am explaining that the process really isn’t that difficult if you know what you’re doing and what workarounds to use

[half tapir]

source: every average public lobby

[thorny star]

getting to the point that you know what you're doing is the hard part. that's hundreds, THOUSANDS of hours in unity/blender

[vale edge]

This is me. I create to create. I care about the art and having fun. I've only spent the hours optimizing like three of the hundreds of uploads I've done because it's simply not feasible for everything I want to pursue.

[cosmic cobalt]

Maybe that’s personal experience talking, but being so restricted by quest limitations has taught me so incredibly much

[ancient birch]

The process you said yourself is tedious and sometimes unavoidable if you're using cool shaders you can't make certain things quest comp

[vale edge]

Getting my world for instance, to be optimized, took hundreds of hours of effort.

[cosmic cobalt]

I feel like I do my best work when I have limits I have to work around

[thorny star]

"limitations breed creativity" - thing I heard a guy say once

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s the challenge of it that’s so appealing I suppose, but that’s not the case for many

[half tapir]

my avatars main feature is basically audiolink

[ancient birch]

Like there's a asset I added to my avatar

[vale edge]

Over specialization breeds in weakness.

[ancient birch]

It's a magic spell casting thing

[half tapir]

given i have over 8 toggles with audiolink designs

[ancient birch]

That's used ONLY with shaders I believe. It can't and will never be quest comp

[cosmic cobalt]

My avatar’s main feature is an interactive smart phone with features such as a photo gallery, player detector, coin flip, and settings like brightness and global visibility

[ancient birch]

Well sure that can be made quest comp

[cosmic cobalt]

My avatar also has some audio link features on PC, I just simply removed them and tried to make replacements for them on Quest

[thorny star]

I like audiolink

[ancient birch]

LOL

[half tapir]

i love audiolink, everything i do incorporates audiolink in some form

[cosmic cobalt]

Today I actually did some optimization for a couple of my worlds

Just simply changing the texture compression halved the file size with very little change in quality

Also better framerates

[vale edge]

Change to what, crunch? Lol

[half tapir]

someone said to me they get around 30-40 fps alone in my world on quest with audiolink and video active. dunno if thats even good for quest standards

[cosmic cobalt]

Changed to ASTC 6x6 compression for textures on Quest

Said world gets around 72fps without the mirror active

But with the mirror and video player active it gets around 45-50

[half tapir]

on quest 1 i get like 15 fps

at most lmao

[cosmic cobalt]

I use a Quest Pro and deliberately tested on the eye tracking channel where performance was worse

But now I don't exactly have that option anymore xP

[half tapir]

ill move on from quest soon

gonna get a pico 4 so i wont be able to test anything on quest itself anymore

[cosmic cobalt]

I have zero reason to get a Quest 3 since I own a Pro, but I'm still going to anyway so I can make sure my content works on what the majority of players will be using

[vale edge]

I still get 45fps in my world on q1

[half tapir]

well i would lose that ability anyways as my quest isnt supported by vrchat anymore

[cosmic cobalt]

Yeah I stopped prioritizing Quest 1 content a while ago since so few people use it now

[thorny star]

how did you land on this? experimentation? did you reference any write-ups or anything?

[half tapir]

i use my quest 1 only for pcvr basically

[cosmic cobalt]

5x5 is a bit heavy on file size, 8x8 starts to show noticeable artifacts, 6x6 is a good middle ground

[opal needle]

Even then that platform is so underpowered it would not be worth the work anyway

[cosmic cobalt]

Yeah

[half tapir]

quest 1 is already dying just starting the game

it takes like 3 minutes until i loaded in

[cosmic cobalt]

Truthfully I never owned a Quest 1

I started with a Rift S and then moved to Quest 2 when that came out

[vale edge]

I specifically have kept my Q1 because if it works and performs well on Q1 it will for everything else. This is why my world works so well still on it even with a full lobby

[half tapir]

next year im gonna buy a pico 4 instead and retire my quest

[opal needle]

I did, it was great

The quest 2 is better in literally every single way (except ipd adjustment and default comfort)

[cosmic cobalt]

Also the fact that Quest 1 was OLED right?

[half tapir]

yes

[proud creek]

Yes

[opal needle]

I have to get a foam pad and place it between my head and the strap to not die

[cosmic cobalt]

Quest Pro lens are so freaking nice

It's not OLED but damn it has some pretty insane color depth

[half tapir]

what were the lenses

pancake or however its called?

[cosmic cobalt]

Yeah, it's what's going to be in the Quest 3

[half tapir]

yeah pico 4 luckily has these lenses too and a bit larger FOV even

[cosmic cobalt]

The pancake lenses themselves don't have too much effect on the visuals aside from no rings in your view, it's more so just to be very good for form factor

[half tapir]

quest 3 has too much stuff bloating the price i dont need

[cosmic cobalt]

And the resolution is the same as the Quest 2, it just has much better color depth and the pixel density is much higher

[half tapir]

aint gonna pay 650€, can basically almost buy index kit for that

[steep laurel]

How do you crouch?

[cosmic cobalt]

Hold down the jump button

[steep laurel]

Thx

[cosmic cobalt]

But yeah I will say, after being booted out of the Quest Pro eye tracking channel and v55 boosting performance by around 20%

All of my stuff works way better than I thought it did

[half tapir]

im kinda sorry for everyone who bought quest pro

[cosmic cobalt]

Like in one of my worlds I still get over 60 fps with a mirror on in a Medium avatar

[cosmic cobalt]

I got extra screwed over because I bought mine before the $500 price drop

But in terms of the features it has as an all in one headset, it is unrivaled

[uneven axle]

I genuinely like the mobile version rn

[thorny star]

spicy take

[half tapir]

thats my performance in my world (from someone else that video) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749685926824902767/1140294152513404998/286f2da3399389a73c536416018761de.mp4

[lapis briar]

Vrchat switch real (CONFIRMED?!)

[brave blaze]

im fuckin losin it man

[rain vault]

I wonder what that key/input is..

[steep laurel]

I was in a lobby, i opened the keybord to type and then all sound went

[brave blaze]

common issue currently

[steep laurel]

Yoo

[steep laurel]

Ok

[frail lantern]

i got it to work as well

[lapis briar]

It funni

[frail lantern]

this

[brave blaze]

bruhh you 2 need to get in a world together both using the switch

[lapis briar]

Yesss

[vale edge]

Hope u find it.

[brave blaze]

lmfao

[proud fern]

Wait, there's controller support?

[brave blaze]

Yep

[rain vault]

Always has been

[frail lantern]

kb/m as well

[proud fern]

I couldn't get any mode on my 8BitDo to work

I'll try out with other controllers

[frail lantern]

i've only had my switch controllers work so far

[rain vault]

Currently gestures dont work on mobile but i'm pretty sure L or R on a controller like a xbox controller should open up 2 wheels which you control using the joysticks to pose your hands for gestures.

[proud fern]

Oh wait it works! i'm just dumb

[brave blaze]

lmao

[rain vault]

Steam deck has it since it is basically a whole controller with a screen.

[lapis briar]

Saaame

[brave blaze]

been trying to figure out how to click on ppl in android, or is that just not a thing rn

Think someone said it isnt but I dont remember

[rain vault]

Its the same like on desktop, check the place where the seated and standing button would be for pcvr.

[blissful flint]

i gotta try it with my ps5 controller

[brave blaze]

I havent done desktop in bout 2 years lmao

[rain vault]

So uh

[blissful flint]

i cant tho i dont have vrc+

[rain vault]

Bottom middle right button in your launch pad

You click that then you move your reticle to a person and click

[brave blaze]

huh fancy, used to be just open quick menu and look at em I thinl

[cosmic cobalt]

That is in fact a deck exclusive feature iirc

[rain vault]

Really? Aw man.

[cosmic cobalt]

Deck allows developers to set up those wheels when making a controller layout

I've seen it used in a couple other games

[rain vault]

Neat

[proud creek]

Its not just for deck its been in controller binds for controller users

The buttons are mapped to keyboard keys though
Left stick is literally wasd and Shift WASD for running

[hybrid tendon]

top ten saddest moments

[orchid owl]

Im sorry i know how you feel i remember when pokemon go became popular and my phone couldn't play it

[naive bluff]

'Twas not meant to be.

[orchid owl]

Twas the night before christmas

[hybrid tendon]

hahaha, my phone is too old for amazon app

[orchid owl]

Oof

Which app?

[hybrid tendon]

samsung s7 moment

amazon shopping app,

[orchid owl]

Ooof

You need to upgrade

[hybrid tendon]

wish i could

[orchid owl]

Why cant you?

[hybrid tendon]

ahh its a bit personal

[orchid owl]

Ok

[hybrid tendon]

sorry

[orchid owl]

Tis fine

Tis was the night before Christmas

[hybrid tendon]

HAH

[orchid owl]

😃

[orchid owl]

First get android working

[brave blaze]

Everything we have heard, they are working hard on it

[orchid owl]

🥺

[slate loom]

so much harder to develop iOS than to leverage some of the work already out for Quest for Android

definitely in the works though!

[orchid owl]

Sparky how are you doing?

Dang sparky is an og on discord

[hasty stratus]

me who wants to try testing the app but who refuses to buy a plus sub:

[slate loom]

it's going well!

[hasty stratus]

I just want to test with my K92

[brave blaze]

Id love to work in support at VRC

[orchid owl]

Which is it the 5 or 2

[hasty stratus]

re-checked myself

it's the original comment

[brave blaze]

Currently Im working in support at an ISP billing software company

[orchid owl]

Nice

[hasty stratus]

specifically, LG K92

[orchid owl]

Oh okay

[orchid owl]

So what are you up to

[hasty stratus]

will it be no longer plus-gated after a week or two or?

[orchid owl]

Probably after release

[hasty stratus]

just playing modded Minecraft

[orchid owl]

Oh nice what mod are you using

[naive bluff]

Highly doubt it'll be out of alpha after only a week.

[hasty stratus]

I'm not saying "out of alpha in a week" obviously

[orchid owl]

2 artemis

[brave blaze]

Too many breaking bugs currently, like the audio bug

[hasty stratus]

I meant specifically the sub gating

[hasty stratus]

ATM8 Volcano Block

[naive bluff]

My guess, it'll be Plus-exclusive till release (however long it'll take)

[orchid owl]

Noice

[orchid owl]

How does it work

[hasty stratus]

just a skyblock-like

[half tapir]

After this month i can't use the app unfortunately anymore

[orchid owl]

Why

[half tapir]

My subscription runs out

[orchid owl]

Oh

[brave blaze]

I would think they would have a more open beta once the breaking bugs are fixed, since technically vrchat is still 'early access' right?

[orchid owl]

Buy new

[half tapir]

Nah, i don't like having too many subscriptions

[hasty stratus]

I just wanted to see if head tracking is using the phone's gyro, if the sensor exists

[orchid owl]

Oh your loss i guess

[brave blaze]

Ive had vrc+ since the month it came out

[orchid owl]

Idk

[brave blaze]

Dont believe they have any of that currently, could be wrong though

[hasty stratus]

so if anyone with a plus sub, let me know maybe?

although regardless could just be submitted as a feature req, but anyhow

[half tapir]

Just gets very expensive very fast

[orchid owl]

I don't know i barely can play in any other world except home world