android-dev

[teal warren]

i made the channels so im allowed to be first

[safe knoll]

I second that

[primal heron]

XD

[vapid orchid]

I'm... fourth then. Ha!

[bleak hamlet]

(Message about being 5th)

[cobalt portal]

gaming

[candid atlas]

Whoa, nifty.

[gritty shard]

Cool

[tight quail]

glad i got a headstart by having quest versions of everything in the first place B)

[long storm]

ok so what can we do to optimize for mobile

also do we get to have nice shaders and transparency

[stuck scaffold]

Optimize for Quest

[tight quail]

Poor or Better (Quest Standard)

[long storm]

guess I'll just test

[gritty shard]

it would still have the same Avatar restrictions as the quest

like a quest is just a mobile phone that's been shaped into a headset so the rendering problems that happen on Quest would also happen on Android

[tight quail]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/ It's the Quest Limits

[stuck scaffold]

The difference is in the controls really

[kind lagoon]

The info page also says that Very Poor avatars are disabled entirely though

[long storm]

rigiht i get what the documentation says but I mean like in real life on peoples' phones

[tight quail]

They are, so you have to aim for Poor or better.

[long storm]

because 3d acceleration on modern phones is definitely more advanced than quest

right?

maybe?

[stuck scaffold]

Not really, a lot of the phones have the same issues as Quest for 3d, you just aren't having to render things for both eyes

[tight quail]

Quest is extremely optimized and only running one app at a time. Android has a bunch more background processes taking up space.

[gritty shard]

that stuff like transparency having a hard time isn't going to be meaningfully changed as that's more characteristic of the tile based renders all Android devices use

[fiery lichen]

Rendering on Quest is a different story though

[west ridge]

first

[dark vigil]

second

[long storm]

third!

[vague pasture]

fourth? for what? whats happening?

[west ridge]

were the first people to type in this channel

[covert hatch]

ah, one more channel

[candid trellis]

Eyoo

[prisma pelican]

ok

[wheat slate]

ok

[quartz wadi]

ok

[floral flame]

ok

[candid atlas]

ok

Do you guys want Canny tickets for compatibility? I can't download it.

[gilded fjord]

No kidding

[rich trench]

What model phone do you have?

[candid atlas]

Samsung Galaxy Note 8.

[gilded fjord]

Asphalt 9 runs on both my phones with high graphics. How come this game won't

[rich trench]

Ah, gotcha.

[gilded fjord]

Tf

[stuck scaffold]

My Note 5 is listed as compatible, as has been said by team/mods, you may need to wait a little while for things to work correctly

[gritty shard]

Asphalt 9 doesn't have user-generated content

[gilded fjord]

The app itself is less than 100 mb. This should be graphics options at least

[gritty shard]

there's not really Graphics toggles VRC can work with like because everything being user-generated content folks might not bother uploading LOD models for worlds

[brittle pasture]

Can we use an android emulator to use vrchat mobile?

Would be great for testing stuff, especially quest content too.

[main viper]

I have a question, can I download the game now?

[long storm]

Yes and it runs

[main viper]

Can you send the link please ? :]

[dark vigil]

Playing works, but Button pressing not

[fathom parrot]

Damn my phone is android 9

Can't download it lmao

[gilded fjord]

My phone has 4gb of ram. Pisses me off ngl

[fathom parrot]

Damn

[astral fern]

On my Note 20 Ultra buttons and toggles are working

[honest dagger]

Is there any way to bypass the ram check?

[astral fern]

Why try to bypass it?

[honest dagger]

Because I want to run it on my phone, but the ram check makes the app crash before getting pass the title screen

[teal warren]

basically treat it like Quest

its very similar in requirements/content restriction

the only addtl restriction is that there are no VP avatars permitted

[long storm]

my phone gets hot enough as it is lol

very epic to finally be able to test quest content though

[honest dagger]

Are launcher commands a thing on Android? Lol

[untold mango]

my s10 is work

[brittle pasture]

I really like the idea of having android to test quest content, especially if i could emulate android to get it all done too in a quick manner, very good

[honest dagger]

I want to be able to easily check my Quest avatars on my phone, but none of my phones in my household have 6 gigs of ram. Only 4 gigs + 2 gigs of virtual ram.

[hollow zealot]

Daaamn 😆 my world goes brrrr on Phone 😅
Time to figure out the ins and outs of how to get nice screenspace UI for Phone 😆

[unreal marsh]

My world is like 30fps on quest or like 60fps locked on my phone. Neat.

[young badger]

my world run at 25 fps on quest, but on phone it run at 60

[hollow zealot]

I'm currently trying to figure out if my phone is an issue or my world is an issue but damn I'm getting some crazy audio lag issues once every few min xD

[young badger]

i was having audio issue. i just clear all the background apps and stop all the issues

[hollow zealot]

hm

I think my phone's shit I just tested, I run 50FPS in my world I think ? While on Quest user can run around 70 FPS when alone

[rustic warren]

Hello friends i just saw the news, where is my Udon documentation for adding touch controls to the user interface? 😛

[fleet otter]

My issue is
It keeps dropping rhe Audio
At the beginning my headphones and mic is all fine
But after like 5 min it disapears and reconnecting doesnt work
Restarting only does but then only 5 min agein :/

[dark vigil]

the doc already exists on unity docs

[regal pivot]

Does that even run on Android 10?

IIRC it is running on Android 9 max

and you need Android 10 to be able to play

[rustic warren]

Oh I can just use Unity's built in stuff. I thought it would all be locked down and have to be manually exposed through udon

[candid atlas]

Found out it's 9

[regal pivot]

Yep, that's why

[candid atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-crossing-tom-nook-so-no-head-chanbanhi-mad-gif-16699016

[regal pivot]

I got lucky with my S9

[regal pivot]

Time to buy a S23 Ultra xD

[dark vigil]

Yea that's just a screen space canvas on a UI Layer

[dark vigil]

More cannys for you to make :D

[regal pivot]

hm?

[rustic warren]

I need to go to bed but thank you for sharing. I might see if screen space canvases work on Desktop windows as well. Currently Im just floating world space canvases in front of the user

Sorry one last question. Would I be all good using an android emulator on PC for world testing?

[dark vigil]

As long as your emulator is compatible with the current vrchat build on google play that should be fine

[dark vigil]

Do you have an android?

[regal pivot]

I have a Samsung Galaxy S9+ and a Galaxy Tab S7+ yes

[dark vigil]

S23 is better :D

Also the RAM requirments are so high

[gritty shard]

I'm not surprised as your phone is not having to render the World twice and it presumably has a much lower screen resolution

[unreal marsh]

Yep

[kind walrus]

hello tyhere

[rigid herald]

I'm on a s22 but idk if I can turn on other people's avatars

My phone runs smoothly and has good ram.

But ut can't seem to get other people's avatars.

[dark vigil]

2 other people and it will start dying though

[gritty shard]

very poor avatars are completely disabled on the mobile build

[dark vigil]

A lot of quest avatars are very poor these days ._.

[gritty shard]

yes as lot of folks don't know how to optimize

[rigid herald]

Oh my.

[lone drift]

Damn, I'm stuck on an LG V30

[regal pivot]

I know, which is why I'm getting a S23 Ultra soon

[brisk hornet]

If you're creating a world for VRChat on Android Mobile, check out this best practices guide! https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/android-best-practices

[edgy dawn]

my S21 Ultra is doing a good job at running the game its pog

[brisk hornet]

Awesome!

Have you developed any worlds or avatars for Android?

[edgy dawn]

not yet

[brisk hornet]

Ah, well if you're curious about creating VRChat content, I hope it goes well!

[edgy dawn]

[gritty shard]

so if you use the the check if someone's on an Android phone you could have like menus swap over to screen space on the mobile build compared to the VR builds?

[unreal marsh]

Very pleased with my LG V60. Even with dual screens running discord and YouTube it runs great in my world.

So wait. Can I grabpass on mobile?

[gritty shard]

no not really as pretty much all the rendering problems that happened on Quest would also happen on mobile

[brisk hornet]

Yes!
Check out Lightcycle Arena by MyroP. They're waaaay ahead of the curve.
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_9157c81d-24fe-402d-8ba9-2e0ae6e15fa2
They added special UIs for Android Mobile users!

[regal pivot]

I mean... if you want your phone to explode lol

[unreal marsh]

I don't see how this would be the case.

[gritty shard]

both your phone and Quest would be using a arm-based tile renderer

[near plank]

Easy android cheat

[unreal marsh]

The issues with GrabPass on quest are mostly due to VR.

[gritty shard]

all the content will also be shared with Quest

[unreal marsh]

I'm aware.

[near plank]

it's less to do with the architecture and more to do with the specific libraries available on Android and the more limited opengl ES API, but that's just my assumption from past precedent, I don't know anything about this specifically.

that's usually what I've seen causes devs trouble when things on quest or android don't work

also mali and qualcomm gpu drivers are just awful

[edgy dawn]

Beautiful

[unreal marsh]

Fr tho

[near plank]

The one thing zflip is good for

[vapid orchid]

Is that Papa Meat?

[unreal marsh]

[edgy dawn]

[unreal marsh]

I need to try with my Xbox controller still. Make sure my world doesn't have issues there either

[edgy dawn]

xbox controller works real good

[honest dagger]

Shouldn't the OnePlus 6 work?

[teal nymph]

my samsung a33 works with it so it should

[honest dagger]

It says it's incompatible no matter what I do and if I sideload it, it just crashes.

There must be something that I'm missing.

[teal nymph]

it should be working im not sure why its not...

[honest dagger]

I'm losing my mind, I've checked the spec sheet for my phone like 20 times now. I meet all the requirements. X3

[coral bough]

so you can build android content separately??? that seems... interesting

makes sense though

[teal nymph]

i am now testing it on my z fold 2

oh yes 40fps lol

[gritty shard]

https://vxtwitter.com/Wunkolo/status/1692325158848282785?s=20

[teal nymph]

feame rate go fukin burrr

theres no avater audio????

[vapid orchid]

.....No?

[gritty shard]

sound effects on avatars don't exist on Quest

[vapid orchid]

Quest never had it.

[sturdy pendant]

Yep, doesn't exist on mobile

[teal nymph]

im outraged

[gritty shard]

there are going to be no PC only features showing up on Android

[teal nymph]

ooohhh like wut?

pc avas on phone??? lol

[sturdy pendant]

It can't handle avatar audio, it's really expensive to process on android.

Anyway y'all know the first thing I'm gonna do with the phone build, is try and get osc to work on it lol

[teal nymph]

iim gussing that qould be pretty easy

just forward network over to the device?

[gritty shard]

people have asked about that today

[teal nymph]

herrmm fps seems limitged in a way

could be due to the fact its on a large foldable oled (thats dead)

it handles res changes very well

and looks abosuuttly stunning on an oled display

the two phones i tested it on handled it nicely both didnt heat up that much was expecting the phone to get very hot after 15mins

my pixel 6 pro wont work with it idk how (andriod 13 might be the issue)

[unreal marsh]

Well, I'm on A13.

[teal nymph]

A33 pixel 6 pro and a z fold 2 (i have two)

[honest dagger]

I can't get this thing to work with any of my phones, even ones that should be supported

[teal nymph]

what hpones?

[gritty shard]

https://vxtwitter.com/MyroDev/status/1692358782381183414?s=20

[pliant flare]

bros multitasking 💀

[gritty shard]

https://vxtwitter.com/MyroDev/status/1692359720827322731?s=20

[honest dagger]

OnePlus 6, Pixel 4, and a OnePlus 6T. Also tried a chromebook, but that is unsupported. I'm starting to think maybe it has something to do with my Google account...? I have no idea at this point.

[ashen bane]

galaxy s9? yo same

[teal nymph]

andriod versions?

[honest dagger]

OP6 - Android 13, P4 - Android 12, OP6T - Android 11.

[fervent heath]

May have already been mentioned, but despite running the Quest platform versions of worlds, the android app does not trigger the #UNITY_ANDROID preprocessor directive in U#, meaning that behaviors that are tailored to PC or Quest platforms may not work correctly and if your check is for UNITY_ANDROID it will return false.

[paper path]

I could not install VRChat on my Xaiomi 12 Pro. Is there a requirement that I have to Pass SafetyNet as a prerequisite? Has anyone here been able to install from the Play Store with SafetyNet Failed?

[honest dagger]

All my phones fail SafetyNet, since I have Magisk... I really hope this isn't the case, because then I'll have to unroot all of them or find a bypass. I don't understand why I would need to pass that anyways for a social hangout game, ugh.

[plain minnow]

eac moment

[teal nymph]

i belive there is a way to trick andriod into thinking it still has safetynet

[honest dagger]

If this is for anti-cheat reasons, that pretty dumb since you can easily cheat without rooting.

[honest dagger]

I think MagiskHide is broken atm, and has been for a couple of years.

[teal nymph]

yep....

[honest dagger]

Unless there is a new method

[teal nymph]

im going to dm you something am i able to?

[honest dagger]

Yeah sure, go ahead

[plain minnow]

pls dm me too!

think this might be my issue

[old geyser]

use shamiko with zygisk and magisk denylist

then universal safetynet fix

[ashen agate]

is my vrc supposed to say something about invalid token??

i'm confused

[dry tree]

Mine is saying the same thing

[ashen agate]

i got to play it for one session, then closed the game and restarted it later, but that came up

[dry tree]

I was playing from when the video dropped until 5 minutes ago it started doing this

[flint mortar]

Honestly I just recently downloaded the game and got hit with that even tho I have vrc+

[plain minnow]

So I have to make my device less secure by leaving the bootloader unlocked just to pass a security check for a social game. Awesome.

[flint mortar]

So sadly I haven't gotten to play the game yet

[dry tree]

Yeah after you log in and gk to your home world it kicks you with that message

I was chilling in my home world amd got kicked with that message

for the past 5 minutes I have been trying to relog in and join back but no luck.

[flint mortar]

Yeah

[dry tree]

Usually we have to wait these sort of things out.

[flint mortar]

Imma just go to sleep and see if it got fix by the time I wake up

[old geyser]

no? I was just offering a solution to pass safetynet if you're rooted with magisk and you don't want to unroot

if you're unrooted then it should work ootb

[plain minnow]

I use Calyx and I think this is my issue

[old geyser]

😔

[worldly gulch]

Stock US Verizon Samsung S23Ultra and I'm hitting the token limit

it's... global I think

[plain minnow]

debating if its worth trying grapheneOS instead for the sandboxed play services instead of microg

[plain minnow]

I had this issue minutes after launch, before everyone else

[dark vigil]

do people need VRC+ to play this when it’s fully done or no?

[plain minnow]

might buy another Pixel 5a to test with

[plain minnow]

no

[dark vigil]

… ok I need my table back

[plain minnow]

?

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[dark vigil]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

No flipping tables

[plain minnow]

oooo actually this might be an excuse for me to buy a pixel tablet

there's a GrapheneOS release for it, wonder if it'd work there

[dry tree]

You can flip tables now

[ornate pulsar]

resolution on my phone is so high.. but the screen is so small... can't read the error messages

[shrewd thistle]

Is there any in-game switch or setting to change between horizontal and vertical mode?
Do I really have to do it through the device's settings? ;-;

[warped plaza]

im not sure if this is a bug, but it seems like it is seeing how the previous conversation was:

the samsung s22 does not load horizontally, it loads verticaly

[alpine geyser]

Yeah

[bitter vortex]

my phone has 4gb of ram, hopefully later in development after adding a bunch of optimisations they could lower the minimum ram from 6gb to 4gb?

[frail bluff]

[dire wadi]

still the wrong chat

[cold ore]

?

[desert ravine]

#android-discussion message from sticky bot

[dire wadi]

read the description

[dire crest]

If you get a message about not getting an integrity token, that's normal. It's a limit that Google implements that will have to be increased. We'll be addressing this soon! @cold ore

[dull flame]

Question can I still login with steam on my tablet?

[hazy iris]

No

[dim harbor]

nope

[keen beacon]

Perhaps I'm mistaken. I believe it said the device needs to be at least android 10 with 6GB ram? This GPD XP should work perfectly then.

[cedar ledge]

I got my gf to download it on her phone and then create an apk file with MiX file explorer (No root required)

I still get the integrity check error which apparently is a known issue, but other than that I could install it and run it

[keen beacon]

That was my next plan. So I imagine it's a bug. I'll use MiX. Thank you!

[wheat shore]

So uhhh got a quick question.
Regarding Android VRC... Can we use it to 'test' quest content?

(probably a stupid question as well.)

[west ridge]

yes

[final mountain]

Yes! That's the exact use case I wanted to get it so bad

[west ridge]

it runs the same content quest does

only difference is you cant show very poor avatars whatsoever

[stone lark]

The 6GB minimum is because that is how much the Quest 2 has, the Quest 1 only had 4GB and crashed really easily.

It is unlikely that they could really do anything to allow lower end devices to run it without crashing quickly, since it depends on the user uploaded content.

[weak yoke]

I have a Moto one 5g ace. Android 11 with 6gbs of ram

But says my phone is incompatible?

[wheat shore]

Time to code a touchscreen detector inputs...

[limpid sapphire]

Is there going to be a "battery saver" setting? My phone keeps overheating to the point of burning my hands...

[stone lark]

That is VRChat for you, there is a frame limiter in settings I think.

A battery saver would likely only cap fps anyway

[limpid sapphire]

Oh is that what overheats it? Cool I'll try that. I thought it was the graphics settings

[stone lark]

No graphics settings to really change in VRChat, user content doesn't have multiple versions.

It is overheating because it is running the phone's SoC at full tilt, lowering the resolution can help (but not sure if you can do that), so other than that limiting the fps is the simplest way to force the SoC to work less.

[dark vigil]

I have galaxy flip z 3

Idk if it work

Would love to test quest compat worlds in an android emu-lator

Help

You need vrcplus it seems

Bruh

😭

But why

I wonder how the anticheat stuff is gonna go with android.

Well, non quest android anyway. Probably about the same.

[limpid sapphire]

Bruh it defaulted to 120fps.. I lowered it to 26 and it's fine now. Thanks to whoever suggested it!!

[primal creek]

yeah thats some bull right there, like why do we have to fucking pay for it when its free on pc wow

[rustic turtle]

I got it but,
Will the beta be taken down when it's done with testing and be replaced with the full game?

Cuz I already have vrchat Mobile downloaded but I don't wanna lose the app on my phone when it does go public after testing

[dark vigil]

tmk its gonna be free, but you're paying for access to the alpha.

[stone lark]

And because they don't want people who aren't dedicated to VRChat to use it.

It is a buggy alpha

[primal creek]

yeah prbably, but why does beta testers have to pay for it to test it, if it becomes free anyway

[stone lark]

People paying for VRC+ will be dedicated players, they aren't going to care as much if the alpha has tons of issues.

If they allowed anyone to download it then random people would download the app, completely ignore that it is an alpha, and write it off because "that game is just really buggy".

[primal creek]

fair enough

it makes sense

u have actually changed my mind, im honna buy vrc + at the end of the month

[dry tree]

I think the app will be gone but you can just log back in your account from the public game

@rustic turtle

[rustic turtle]

Ok

[somber moat]

I keep getting an error logging into vrchat on android:

Galaxy Note 10+ (Verizon firmware).

If there is a better place for this feedback I would love to know.

[azure crest]

Look in general chat
The bot keeps sending the same message
That is normal
VRC is being limited by Google
They have to bump the limit

[somber moat]

ohh, like a mini New Years Day rapture. lol Guess they didn't expect the high demand.

[dire wadi]

Read the description!

[honest turtle]

This is a known issue and is being looked into. See the pinned comment in #android-discussion.

[somber moat]

I see, I had channels hidden because of the new roles setup, I can see everything now thank you.

[honest grove]

Right now it's good that it's vrc+ subscribers only, because the main issue right now is that we are hitting the limit on api requests. (Which is 10,000 a day out of those who are curious. Its being pushed to 10,000 in about a few hours maybe some more give or take)

[near lava]

Okay, so that audio cutting off issue, is probably not entirely a Bluetooth problem, as even changing the audio output to external speakers and back doesn't fix the problem. 🔇

[honest grove]

Me too. It requires a full game reset for now. I also notice that going out and back into the game can mess up external audio too

[dark vigil]

i have the same error with samsung s22+

[astral onyx]

I get this error message after a minute of launching the app. Not sure how to fix this

[rustic turtle]

Hopefully,
Vrchat will be available for all android devices soon..

[unreal marsh]

Yeah. Cuz running it on a 50$ Walmart phone with 1gb of memory is totally doable.

[real loom]

Grenade fr

[sterile crow]

XD

[desert ravine]

[gritty shard]

VR chat is unlikely to drop the 6 gigs of RAM requirement

[rustic turtle]

What do ya mean? So they're gonna have the 6gb requirement still??

[vapid orchid]

Well... yeah?

Why would they support older phones?

[gritty shard]

wouldn't surprise me if Android devices also crash if they run out of RAM

as the Quest 2 is functionally just an Android phone

[rustic turtle]

Ok,
But how can you see if you have the ram requirement?

Just go to system and look at the system part

[gritty shard]

the Google Play Store will tell you if your phone is compatible or not

[rustic turtle]

This is my phone system

[gritty shard]

that's file storage not Ram

[rustic turtle]

How do I look up the ram?

[gritty shard]

https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-check-ram-in-android-5192499

but in general all you need to do is go to the link to download the app and it'll tell you if it's compatible or not

[rustic turtle]

Thank celestia

I have the 6gb requirement

Yay

[rustic turtle]

I looked it up on my phone,
I have the 6gb requirement

[gritty shard]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_09223a99-64b6-4c69-8237-ee1b3a172e0a if you want to go around Ponyville on your phone

[rustic turtle]

Yay

Hopefully,
Vrchat will release it publicly within a few weeks since this is in alpha testing,
Which if I'm not bad mistaken,
It's the final part of getting this game public

So hooray to the devs for making this happen!

[ember basalt]

Not close enough to public because i tend to crash still when joining a public world like McDonald's

🥺

The last trouble shooting step i didn't do is uninstall the game and reinstall it

Maybe its my mobile data I'll wait until im on internet

[flint mortar]

Yeah I feel like this game might take another 2 months or so release

There still a lot of things to work on

Like the audio issue, control ui, and new ui to see people avatar

[ember basalt]

And world crashing

[flint mortar]

Yeah

[gritty shard]

it's going to take a lot longer than a few weeks to fix all the bugs to make it a general public ready product

[rustic turtle]

Ok

[gritty shard]

like this is a alpha test not a beta test

[mystic sun]

What I Have noticed so far bug/game wise for android

I Have realized that the Bluetooth headset isn't using the Bluetooth mic for in-game.

So I sound far away lol. Dunno if that's just my thing though.

secondly looking down while running causes the 8-bit arcade run. The movement is choppy like a 2 fps slideshow also the same thing with dance emotes.

It would be nice to have a way to rotate objects that we pick up like when we pick an object up maybe have another joystick just for rotation or to scroll it closer to us cause it's so far away lol.

Also I would like to suggest an afk button. Because it doesnt really detect when we are afk and people just tend to think I crashed since I stopped moving.

third thing, I cannot play pool/billiards. Big sad.

[unreal marsh]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/bt-microphone-not-turning-on

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/missing-input-options-without-adding-peripherals

If ya wanna make a canny about rotating objects, go ahead. It would be useful. Those two are related to your other statements

[mystic sun]

Sadly it wont let me make a post because of my phones build number

[dark vigil]

Yall perf blocked everything FIX ITTTTTT

[unreal marsh]

Hm? The build number is the same for everyone, it's asking for the build number of your game, not your phone.

[mystic sun]

oHhhhhhhh

Ill post it in the morning

[honest dagger]

I have a OnePlus 6 on Android 13 with 6 gigs of RAM and it still says that it is incompatible (it crashes if I sideload it too). Are there any other requirements that I'm missing?

[vital sleet]

Android 13,ram 8,realmi gt master edition

[honest dagger]

VRChat just pushed an update and now it's working for me!

However, I had to wipe the app's storage first, before it began working.

[muted robin]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/front-camera-face-tracking-for-android

[muted robin]

This would also allow us to test our avatars with face tracking without having face tracking hardware on our VR devices

[short pewter]

if for those who have moto g6 or 7 play or plus we cannot enter the game or download

[stone lark]

Neither has enough RAM for VRChat.
The 6GB RAM requirement is based on the Quest 2, which honestly isn't enough in the first place, so it really is the minimum usable.
A 4GB phone would have the same experience as the Quest 1, which literally can't enter big worlds.

[muted robin]

@stone lark I commented on your comment

👍

[vast cove]

So did they change what Avis we can use cause the ones I was using yesterday aren't working and I see my fallback, I wish there was an option to pick whether I wanted to see very poor or not cause my phone was dealing with showing and using them fine

[mystic sun]

yeah

Android cant use very poor quest avis anymore

So like all of them

[vast cove]

I am depress

[mystic sun]

Same

[vast cove]

Now I can't test Avis for quest

[mystic sun]

And my unity and blender is having a fit

[vast cove]

Since I do comms

[mystic sun]

Basically best thing you can get are fallbacks.

[vast cove]

Eh I'll probably uninstall the app, I don't have any use for it anymore

[mystic sun]

felt

[vast cove]

Also does anybody know where I can leave feedback about the app?

I'm new to doing anything like that

[muted robin]

For now. They will change it as it progresses

They don't want crashes from poor performant avatars atm

They want a smooth experience, and if anything does crash they probably don't want it from avatars

It is an alpha after all

[oak crag]

Hopefully the ban on very poor avis for mobile will make creators try optimise their stuff better however I feel it's more likely mobile users will be ignored

[unreal marsh]

First step before purging them from quest.

[mystic sun]

so will we eventually get it back?

Because Now You cant see ANY avatars.

[muted robin]

Very Positive yes

Im not a dev for VRChat, so I can't give you a straight up answer,

But I'm fairly positive they will once it's out of alpha, or closer to out of alpha

[mystic sun]

I really hope so. Cause I like being in my own stuff. I only found so far 3 avatars that are public that can even be seen on android.

Out of the millions...

[muted robin]

Shows why VRChat lags so bad

[mystic sun]

Its user made content. Not everyone knows how to optimize things. If I wanna die Ill die on my own accord dammit

But also pc good 70k poly is so much more reasonable than 20k

[muted robin]

The problem is no one cares to optimize- It's actually really easy.

Tho I do feel like vrchat could makes the process easier by either adding tools to the SDK, or approving more automated tools

[muted robin]

Sometimes it's as easy as Turn a 4k texture into a 1k or 500x500 texture, cuz all it is is an ear piercing

[muted robin]

A computer can handle 100,000x20 polys without issues really. It's the textures and materials that really eat it.

A mobile process tho- it would struggle

[unreal marsh]

sometimes

[mystic sun]

But for things like dancing avis or lots of outfits and customization it ruins it. Because 20k polys in my opinion is just not enough. The body base itself takes up 90% of it already.

Maybe it's easy for you. But to most it is not.

Like I wanted to optimize one of mine but rn unity and blender are not cooperating with me

[vast cove]

It should be optional like everything else, I don't really go to publics and I prefer models that are smoother and less polygonal so I add to the topology to smooth it on certain models but I use other models of mine for publics if I ever go into them

[mystic sun]

Its frustrating.

[muted robin]

Well, VRChat is about to add Imposters

so that will be nice

[mystic sun]

imposters(?)

[muted robin]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f0770791aaf57311515b23d/20e99b69-6af8-4202-ba40-accbccc09261/imposters2.png

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f0770791aaf57311515b23d/cfb7ef9a-597b-41d0-a46e-db4f91621d01/imposters.png

Automatic fallbacks

[mystic sun]

so its just another fallback

[muted robin]

per avatar

[mystic sun]

[muted robin]

https://youtu.be/5K4mMn_JLpk?t=530

[mystic sun]

What about toggles..

Also our own very poor would we just see ourselves as imposters

?

[muted robin]

By a press of a button

[mystic sun]

But what about toggles.

[muted robin]

Probably not. It will generate it based on what is enabled by default im assuming

[mystic sun]

So no goloco?

[muted robin]

GoGo Loco is IK based to sum it up

It will still work, it already does with fallbacks

[mystic sun]

But how do we know that it will even keep go loco toggles in the menu

[muted robin]

Imposters are not something you can wear

It's just to replace the bot when your avatar is hidden

You will see your very poor avatar just fine,

for others that have you performance, or safety blocked will see your imposter

[mystic sun]

But on mobile where very poor is removed..

[muted robin]

Again this is temporary, it will probably be lifted once it's closer to being out of alpha

Also, you can still wear very poor avatars on android,

[mystic sun]

I really hope so...

[muted robin]

you just can't see others

[mystic sun]

no I cant see my own ones anymore

They fixed it so you cant

[muted robin]

Hm, odd

Yea, I'd assume it's temporary.

[mystic sun]

You can see them preload in the menu but if you go to change into them it just turns into a fallback.

So rn Majority of avatars are fallbacks.

Regardless

[gritty shard]

I'm inclined to think they're not going to remove the no very poor avatars considering the avatar ranking screen mentions the possibility of removing very poor avatars all together

[mystic sun]

Exactly..

If they are going to do this could they at least make it more reasonable

[muted robin]

I don't think so, They've been considering removing Excellent and just replacing it with Good.

They never mentioned removing poor, or very poor. To my knowlage. I see no reason to.

[mystic sun]

Its to force more optimized content

[alpine geyser]

I cant change into my avatars now on vrchat mobile come on

[mystic sun]

yeah

same

[alpine geyser]

It was there a few days ago

[mystic sun]

they patched it last night

[alpine geyser]

Nooooooo

[mystic sun]

yeah.

[alpine geyser]

😭😭

That makes no sense r u kidding me

[mystic sun]

im not.

[muted robin]

And with VRChat performance ranks actually not providing 100% accurate performance, it will be a poor move. My avatar is very poor, that don't mean it does not run well.
Considering 95% of the avatars on the platform are Very Poor, this would basically be like they removed 95% of the content. All users have a choice what they don't and do not want to see and I don't mind auto showing poor or very poor avatars

[gritty shard]

I imagine some of this is why the imposter system is getting made

[alpine geyser]

Seriously vrchat

[muted robin]

I hope VRChat is excited about making people mad again.

[alpine geyser]

When was this made?

[alpine geyser]

What is this?

[gritty shard]

that note has been on there for several years

[mystic sun]

Exactly!
In fact if you dont meet all the requirements your avi is very poor even if you are just a few polygons off... And even then it still isnt lagging people.

[alpine geyser]

Oh wut

I dont understand why they patched it on android mobile

[gritty shard]

https://youtu.be/5K4mMn_JLpk

[mystic sun]

no clue. Its not like we really lag ourselves in our own avatars.

[gritty shard]

It would be possible to definitely upload a very poor Avatar that could lag yourself

[mystic sun]

Yeah but what I mean is. You cant hide your own avi from yourself. And Even in a lobby where I have everyone hidden im not lagging from it.

[gritty shard]

Then I suppose you only have a somewhat very poor Avatar not one of the over the top ones

[mystic sun]

The people that are saying they are experiencing major lag on android so far seems to be people that are using data or have sideloaded it

[mystic sun]

Most of my avis in fact all of them Do not lag me.

They are reasonable avatars. Not severely over the top at all. They are only big in polys cause they are customizable in game.

[alpine geyser]

I dont have any issues

[mystic sun]

The only time Quest even experiences lots of lag is really when having Multiple People shown all at once. I tend to keep 3 or 4 shown at a time. I don't need everyone's avatars on especially if they aren't even talking with me.

[stone lark]

Considering that the vast majority of phones simply lack any active cooling (and the 20 minutes I spent in my own optimized worlds made my phone hot enough) removing very poor might have been justified by simply not wanting to fry people's phones, and hands.

Even if our phones had a more powerful SoC than a XR2, phones simply lack the active cooling to allow for VRC to run full tilt continuously.

[mystic sun]

So instead of optimizing their own graphics they are bonking user made content?

[muted robin]

on the new docs, that warning isn't there

[stone lark]

ehh, you do know the vast majority of performance problems come from the user made content and has been out of VRChat's control? (removing very poor is VRChat's way of doing something about the problem)

And even then, VRChat doesn't make Unity, they can't exactly just optimize the graphics (there are small things they can do, but nothing major like you expect them to be able to do) at most they could make the CPU stuff more efficient, but it isn't like that is easy.

[muted robin]

I lied

i think vrchat should just put a hard cap for very poor avatars

so the rank can still be in the game, however if it caps over basic restrictions then it blocks the avatar

that seems smarter

[mystic sun]

It's still a matter of what I said earlier. Even most pc players don't have everyone's avatars on either.

Couldnt they do chuck loading. Like only have x amount of the map loaded at a time. It would reduce the strain a lot since it renders Less.

[muted robin]

Already a thing

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/vrchat-2022-2-2p3/13315#avatar-distance-hider-4

[mystic sun]

dont see it mentioning anything about map rendering. Just avatar distance.

[muted robin]

It's called culling. Already a thing

[stone lark]

That is how pretty much all demanding VRChat worlds work, occlusion culling, LOD groups or just manual culling allows for turning off things that shouldn't render.

Avatar culling helps with the strain from avatar's GPU wise.

But because of hard technical limitations (or at least very difficult to overcome), VRChat can't entirely unload people, which is where the CPU cost of people not visible come from.

Wish they would allow for segmented Udon zones though.

[mystic sun]

i get that it can't unload people.
But still this games content was built by people who don't have degrees in these kinds of things.

Everyone is happy to learn how to contribute and to share their ideas. I have been in worlds that didn't have culling before.

Simply even just going to those worlds was enough to make my Quest Screen jitter and Black out to the point it made me sick.

And that was just with only me in the world.

[muted robin]

I like how this conversation got aggravating so fast

All im say is, Im scared for VRChat when it comes to such a drastic change like that.

It would be EAC hell in channels all over again

But instead of PC users complaining, it would be Mobile and Quest users. Which make up more of the platform mind you.

[mystic sun]

I'm aware. I was standalone for a long time. But I also played on desktop before eac as a deskie. But after eac was put in, I couldnt stop lagging out.

Sorry for being aggravating. Its just I am rather upset as I Cant express myself anymore in game.

[stone lark]

Fun fact, they don't.
PC and Quest take turns being the bigger one, but it is usually only by 60%.

And the way I am counting it is clumping the PC users on the Oculus PC App (||and viveport||) together with the Quest users, so they make up even less (not much of a difference, but worth noting).

Now this will probably change with the release of the android version, but as most people likely would be new to the platform, I don't think there would be much backlash from mobile users.

And while I do want an option to view very poor for development reasons, for performance reasons I agree with keeping very poor off the android app.

[muted robin]

Your saying their won't be backlash, when 95% of their avatars are going to be gone.

[mystic sun]

exactly

[stone lark]

As of right now, there is nothing saying that Quest will loose Very Poor.
It is likelier, but I doubt they would.

But they should put in a hard cap on very poor on Quest.

[mystic sun]

And the thing is when they say android. It means it will be removed from quest and mobile

Quest is an android system.

[stone lark]

Being entirely honest, I definitely got caught up in the statistics of player numbers, so my argument is definitely not that solid.

[stone lark]

That is a technicality.
Removing a feature makes people angry.
Never giving you that feature in the first place just annoys people at most.

They realistically can't remove very poor from Quest.
But cap it off and redefine the performance limits (the capped off very poor becomes poor) and they could functionally remove it after a Quest generation or so.

Not saying they are or would

[mystic sun]

realistically is not going to stop them.

[stone lark]

Just, theorizing.

[stone lark]

They aren't evil

[mystic sun]

._.

From what it looks like they just don't want people to crash anymore. What easier way to fix it than mass removing all very poor avis?

[stone lark]

You are making it sound like they are evil, the reason you give is the simple solution to it.
Whether they would or not is up in the air and apparently they have something cooking to help (going off small hints from one of the VRC team).

[mystic sun]

You mean imposters(?)

[stone lark]

Don't think so, they didn't want to say.

[mystic sun]

well what hints.

[stone lark]

Imposters have been announced so I would assume they wouldn't be that vague with them.

[mystic sun]

Even then. After implementing eac didn't stop crashers anyways.

In fact people have found ways to mod vrchat on Quest Because it doesn't have the eac limitation.

[stone lark]

I'll have to get back to you on that, have a thing that needs doing and those dev comments are not in the channel I expected it to be in.

[mystic sun]

Take your time. Im gunna make some food ig and try to calm down

[edgy shuttle]

i hope quest's polygon limit gets bumped a i tiny bit...

[mystic sun]

Same. At least to 70k...

[edgy shuttle]

nah 30k

[gritty shard]

It's not going to change until like the quest 4

[edgy shuttle]

20k is hard to keep under when you want your avatar to do stuff with alot of toggles.

even keeping it as 1 material.

then it's too many bones :B

[mystic sun]

10k more isn't really enough to cover.

[gritty shard]

There's your problem trying to do lots of toggling

[edgy shuttle]

i'm glad there isn't a "too many blendshapes" ranking

[mystic sun]

[gritty shard]

Honestly there should be given the current performance impacts

[muted robin]

They should add one tho, honestly

As it is calculatable, and DOES in fact hurt performance

[edgy shuttle]

wasn't that only an issue with 2019unity?

[muted robin]

Luckily tools like VRCFury remove un-used ones on upload. :3

[mystic sun]

no.

[muted robin]

I have no idea, we about to get VRChat Unity 2021 so like

hype

or was it Unity 2022? I forgor

[edgy shuttle]

i think they said it'll change based on what looks better

in the long run

[mystic sun]

Ngl. I kind of value your opinion a lil less since it seems like you already understand how models work and the process of making them.

to me it just seems biased

[teal warren]

yet

[warm plover]

blendshape are stored in an avatar's server-side perf metrics, so maybe later

[muted robin]

YEA! That's the cool stuff about Server side perf metrics

they can legit just "update" new ranks

As the data is already there

[stone lark]

#android-discussion message
So of course shouldn't read too much into it, but whatever they are working might help with crashing.

My phone allows for swapping, which has kept it from crashing at times (seems like I need to clean up my background tasks), but if they are working on something better than it then that would be great.

Using swap stops crashing, but leaves you with single digit fps until it stops swapping. (swapping is your phone moving things from the very quick RAM into the incredibly slow, by comparison, storage of your phone).

[bitter elm]

betting every face tracking avatar that isn't already very poor becomes very poor the second this happens

[muted robin]

[mystic sun]

I havent lagged at all on android tho

[mystic sun]

probably

[stone lark]

You probably don't have swapping set up on your phone then or it isn't available at all.

[frosty scaffold]

Actually it was, not sure why it's not an issue on later versions. So it's an issue that will solve itself, eventually...

[mystic sun]

oof

[dry pawn]

Anyone been having issues with latest build being stuck on fall back avatars?

[mystic sun]

its intentional sadly

We cant see very poor quest avis anymore

[dry pawn]

aaaaaaaa any reason?

[mystic sun]

forced optimization

Basically

._.

[dry pawn]

:< I hope get choice in future

[mystic sun]

Sadly no

I fought so hard on this earlier but like it kinda makes me depressed tbh

[sly flame]

Optimize your avatars

[dry pawn]

damn that sucks, I was using it for avi testing

[dry pawn]

very big oooooooooof

[mystic sun]

[mystic sun]

so like 99% of quest comp avis we cant see on android now

[sly flame]

Based

[fresh dune]

Thing is u can't even make most solutions poor easily

[frosty scaffold]

Users: "Quest crashes too much!"
VRC: "We're not letting Very Poor avatars on mobile to keep performance sane and stop crashes"
Users: "How dare you!"

I mean, come on guys.

[fresh dune]

Ofc u can optimize everything away but all the features and shit ppl used for years will be cleansed too, all toggles if you don't bake the stuff perfectly fine like only a master avatar creator can in blender

[dry pawn]

Not Quest tho, Its mobile

[frosty scaffold]

Dont use toggles, make different avatars.

[frosty scaffold]

Same difference, but now it's even more risky given that it's not set hardware.

[sly flame]

Yeah, you don't need everything in one avatar

😬

[fresh dune]

:< but maintaining stuff is ugh

[dry pawn]

Same as every PC out there

[sly flame]

Bro NEEDS 37 sock toggles available at all times

[fresh dune]

i need 4 mat slots for my mouth alone 😭

[sly flame]

Lol

[fresh dune]

ya im lz

[mystic sun]

Yeah let me just make 50 different version of the same avatar ._.

[fresh dune]

teeth gums tongue lips

[sly flame]

You for real

[fresh dune]

:<

[sly flame]

😂

[fresh dune]

[frosty scaffold]

Except infinitely less powerful.

[mystic sun]

They wont understand cause they like basic simple stuff

[sly flame]

Yeah you really don't need 5 materials in your mouth

[fresh dune]

It's optimized tho

[sly flame]

Doesn't check out

[fresh dune]

it takes like 1/200th of the resources of what those real vpoor avas use

[mystic sun]

Biased avatar creator moment

[sly flame]

Those vpoors are blocked too, don't worry lol

[fresh dune]

:< ripppp

[sly flame]

Android moment

[mystic sun]

Dont even.

[sly flame]

Android moment

[fresh dune]

for the next few months the ava quality will degrade

Well only see bananas

and pixelated shit

[sly flame]

Return to monke

[fresh dune]

(avas that are polygonized with cats 20x)

[dry pawn]

Don't get me wrong I do think Optimizations are the best but blanket ban just seems very limiting to those trying to push avi work

[fresh dune]

Is 10mb the limit too?

or is it like 5 now

[dry pawn]

its still 10mb

[sly flame]

Isn't 20mb the limit for quest?

Oh

[gritty shard]

the limit has always been 10 megabytes on Android and Quest

[fresh dune]

welp, won't be able to use multiple textures anyway

[frosty scaffold]

The problem is, it's not exceptions, people are making Very Poor avatars the norm and that's not OK.

[fresh dune]

or mid poly count models

[gritty shard]

putting all of your outfits on one Avatar is a bad idea for mobile Hardware

[dry pawn]

sometimes new people just have a hard time

[gritty shard]

which is probably why vrchats working on the Imposter system

[sly flame]

for all hardware

[fresh dune]

Yea but im also talking bout specific setups like vrcstation

With high bounds

[sly flame]

walking wardrobes everywhere

[fresh dune]

and also everything thats more than 5 mat slots

[gritty shard]

fair but PC do have a lot more RAM to spare

[fresh dune]

The avas will be limited af for months or years again

[dry pawn]

mobiles have a good amount these days

[sly flame]

my vram usage quaking in fear from loading the next egirl avi in range

[dry pawn]

To be fair all I want is it to work on my galaxy gear 2 XD

[gritty shard]

and honestly tooling is a lot better these days to handle multiple avatars for different outfits

[mystic sun]

Sorry that I dont know how to make avis and also dont want to upload the same model with different things 500 times and have my friends download each and everyone of them for my own inconvenience

[gritty shard]

PC have dedicated vram that shared Ram

[sly flame]

I really don't care lol

[mystic sun]

yeah cause biased

[sly flame]

My framerate is more important than your slight inconvenience

[dry pawn]

so does quest

[mystic sun]

._.

[gritty shard]

yes which is why the whole put your entire wardrobe on one Avatar is a terrible idea

[mystic sun]

[sly flame]

🙂

[gritty shard]

low frame rates can make people physically nauseous so yes you are potentially causing harm by stuffing way too much in one Avatar

[sly flame]

👆

[mystic sun]

Clothes dont take up that much depending on what it is.

[dry pawn]

Again this is for mobile being limted not quest

[mystic sun]

quest probably will soon

._.

[dry pawn]

i hope not

[mystic sun]

Since they are both run from android software

[gritty shard]

my point overall is basically the quest and the phone is in the same boat compared to even the weakest PC VR

[sly flame]

Bros are always quick to call out people, but making a mess of everyone else's experience and frame rates is completely fine apparently 😆

[mystic sun]

._.

I like diversity and different tops sorry that I dont wanna look basic

[dry pawn]

Again optimization is key but it should be a choice

[mystic sun]

yup

[gritty shard]

you don't need to be changing your outfit every 20 seconds

[dry pawn]

but its their Avi they can do what they want

[sly flame]

you don't understand, i must switch my shoes every 25 seconds

[mystic sun]

No but I like to change it depending on my mood.

Sometimes hairstyles too

[gritty shard]

then don't be surprised if no one wants to render it and it just turns into the fall back

[dry pawn]

if there is a problem why not Limit worlds to Good or Performance Avis?

[mystic sun]

Like sometimes I want a ponytail.

[dry pawn]

private worlds any low fps avis

[mystic sun]

They wont listen bikko

[gritty shard]

Tupper has mentioned the idea of groups being able to enforce performance rank for their instances

[dry pawn]

tbh wish they could age range worlds too

but thats just me

[mystic sun]

I agree

they should have age limit

[gritty shard]

that's unlikely to ever happen

[dry pawn]

yeahhhh

[mystic sun]

Yeah cause you need facebook for meta account so they would have to leak ur private info ig

[gritty shard]

there's not really a good way to actually track people's age that isn't a terrible Invasion on people's privacy or basically just praying pretend by asking and you could put anything you want

[dry pawn]

doesn't have to be public

age isn't a protected by data protection

[sly flame]

bikko when data breaches happen:

[dry pawn]

especially when its a age range

[sly flame]

😱

[gritty shard]

VR chat even keeping that data for themselves creeps out the VR chat staff

[mystic sun]

Recently my state made it so you have to be a corn creator to actually access corn. And you have to provide your id and everything ._.

Enforcement weird

[sly flame]

what

[mystic sun]

Yeah

[sly flame]

you gotta make it to watch it?

[mystic sun]

Basically yeah

[sly flame]

[mystic sun]

Its Dumb

[gritty shard]

oh dear that must suck to be corn Farmers there

[mystic sun]

Good thing vpn exist

[mystic sun]

are you done bullying me my guy

Like actually

[dry pawn]

This Post is sponsered Raid Shadow VPN..

[sly flame]

Corn on the cob enthusiasts in absolute shambles

[mystic sun]

Raid shadow legendsss

[dry pawn]

children of the corn?

[gritty shard]

honestly folks who enjoy any processed food would be in trouble considering how much high fructose corn syrup is in food

[mystic sun]

[mystic sun]

I mean everything is slowly turning into organic only over here too so

[dry pawn]

Corn syrup just not a thing here

[gritty shard]

you can make organic high fructose corn syrup

[sly flame]

*syrups your corn*

[mystic sun]

had no clue tbh dont really use corn syrup

[sly flame]

there is no escape

[gritty shard]

organic only really answers if there is pesticide involved in the growing process

[mystic sun]

Yeah but its also more expensive for some reason

[dry pawn]

Noo my subsidies

[gritty shard]

basically increase labor requirements and lower crop yield from no pesticide

[mystic sun]

I guess that makes a lil sense.

[rustic turtle]

I'm seriously thinking bout going ahead and buying one month of vrchat plus to get into the game....

But,
Question is,
How can I pay for vrchat plus through my phone while on the game itself?

[mystic sun]

Idk

In fact you cant do it yet

Says buying vrchat isnt supported on so and so console or whatever

[rustic turtle]

So,
I have to go to the website to buy it?

Ok

[tight quail]

You have to buy it on PC or Quest atm I think

Either through Steam or Oculus

[rustic turtle]

Well,
I don't have a PC or an oculus so basically,
I'm fucked .
Which is good cuz I was trying to wait for the public release of the vrchat Mobile anyway...
Thanks for the help

My patience is not so good and I tend to jump before I walk

[tight quail]

This is the wrong channel to ask in anyway. This is the channel for developing content for VRC on Android.

Speaking of, I am a very unskilled dev, I need to figure out how to add some custom UI buttons to VRC mobile for the fly functionality in my world

[gritty shard]

https://vxtwitter.com/MyroDev/status/1692359720827322731?s=20 a prefab you could poke around inside of to figure out

[quick verge]

Please.. make it a toggle or something to ignore the setting that auto hides all very poor avatars for only the person that toggles it on.. I can only use two out of 160+ of my avatars because all the rest are very poor ratings 😭
It wouldn't be an issue if I can have a setting to only show my very poor avatars but auto hides everyone else's

[dim oriole]

That won’t be something they’ll change.

[thorny hollow]

Question. Is the 20k "polygon" limit also factoring in the triangulation that occurs on import into Unity Engine (aka is this going by 20k tris?) or is it purely polygon count?

Otherwise if it is going by tris, then shouldn't the limitation be renamed from "Polygons" to Tris?

[long storm]

after triangulation on import

[thorny hollow]

So tris are being counted then towards the polycount for vrchat?

why cant vrchat just say the limit is by Tris rather than polys? O.o

Cuz if we're talking tris, then shouldnt the true polycount limit be around 10k instead?

[long storm]

quads haven't been used for graphics rendering since like the ps1

probably even before that

[thorny hollow]

Well yeah I know that, but why are they even making polygons as a statistic

[long storm]

n-gons exist too

[thorny hollow]

Yea but it would make more sense for the statistic to view by tris since the game engine triangulates your mesh

[long storm]

the terms are interchangable in this context

it's just semantics

[thorny hollow]

It just seems a bit misleading that's all since not everyone triangulates their mesh before bringing it over to unity

[long storm]

this is the very first time I've heard someone say this lol

if you think it should be changed there's a canny you can submit feedback on

[thorny hollow]

Well it wasnt much of something to think about just because you weren't originally limited by polycount for the upload (there was of course a limit back before 2019 for pc n such). But I will mention it on the canny just because going by Tris for the count than Polycount would make more sense for other artists.

but having that reworded would encourage artists to triangulate their assets before bringing it over to unity to ensure it's within the limits

[long storm]

tris have been the only poly for decades

even blender triangulates your meshes under the hood

this isn't really an ambiguous thing

[thorny hollow]

yes

but to the simple human brain, polygons is anything 4-sided.

[long storm]

that is an anecdote

[sly flame]

that's a bruh moment

[vapid orchid]

No.

It's an alpha for a reason.

I would rather wait for a more stable build, personally.

[modest perch]

reasons*

There is a lot of bugs and missing features still

[long storm]

grocery stores please give me food without money

[sturdy pendant]

It will be at some point, just probably not for a year or more. So you can wait or get vrc+ to try it early.

[hollow nest]

How would I go about one time paying for a sub?

Like, go in, pay for it, remove the card info so that it can't auto-renew

[thin locust]

Pay for a whole year/month and unsubscribe in steam

Then you can remove paying information in shop settings

Dunno if you can remove PayPal

Probably

But i need to sign in often again anyways if i pay with PayPal on steam

[tight quail]

Is there a way to have a UI button have a bool as active only while it's being held down continuously? Trying to figure out how to replicate something in my world that's controlled by keypresses/button presses

[fair spire]

You can use the event system to get extra UI events.

[topaz lotus]

if you cancel it in steam after buying, it wont auto-renew and it stays active for the duration you paid for, no need to remove your payment info

[fair spire]

Then you can pass that to Udon and simply set your bool to true in PointerDown and false in PointerUp

[tight quail]

Perfect, thank you

[valid pike]

Has eney one else have a problem where u can't see your avi I was able to for 2 days now I can't

[long storm]

disabled in update

VP avatars are automatically perf disabled

[valid pike]

I'm guessing we can't do nothing about it

And I can't see my own made avi along with it

[long storm]

you can: use more optimized avatars

[valid pike]

Hmm

[sturdy pendant]

Just don't be Very Poor ranked ez

[tight quail]

ok i'm stupid, do i still need an event on OnClick for the button itself? this doesn't seem to be working

Wait, I think I got it working now. The main thing now is what canvas settings do I use to get the UI buttons in the general area of the Android UI buttons

[tight quail]

ok all buttons are working but discovered i'm colliding with the rect transform in 3d space. i have no idea how to fix this

hmm, i think setting it to UI layer is what I want here

[dreamy summit]

vrc UI shape adds a box collider by default as it's needed for the raycast, you can override it by adding your own box collider with is trigger enabled.

[dark vigil]

I didn't know that. That's very helpful. Cheers!

[brave fjord]

yeah don't be Poor LOL

/j

[mystic sun]

Imma smash my head through my window at this point. Like why do you have to be impossible catboy

[brave fjord]

[mystic sun]

[brave fjord]

[sly flame]

Imagine being very poor

[brave fjord]

Fr Imagine

[modest perch]

What i did is to use a alt account and gifted myself VRC+

[thin locust]

Can't do that unfortunately

To be able to subscribe to vrchat gotta wait 90 days first afaik or buy a game

[fresh dune]

Just buy a used steam/vrchat account

[thin locust]

I'll buy you

[modest perch]

Not a alt Steam account, but a alt VRChat account.
And I'm pretty sure you can buy VRC+ the day you create the account.

[modest perch]

That's the best way to waste your money

[ember basalt]

True i mean why buy a used account when its a free to play game

Except android at the moment

[modest perch]

Why buy a used account when you can just create one for free and gift VRC+ to yourself

[ember basalt]

True

[delicate prairie]

Ayo another lucifer fan 👀

[dire wadi]

he's just like me fr fr

[tight quail]

Medium on Android/Quest for life

[tight wasp]

Good on Android/Quest for life
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803184566574645270/986797304566657104/com.vrchat.oculus.quest-20220615-194353.jpg

[rose solstice]

Do yk any medium or good performance avis public? 😭

[tight quail]

Nope, I did this optimization myself and it's an avatar i've been using for almost 3 years now

[mystic sun]

Good luck on that one

[unreal marsh]

I have one single Kon avatar on a pedestal I made good a long time ago with physbones. Lol

[rose solstice]

Is it a pub avi if u mind me asking?

[mystic sun]

pls let me hab

[unreal marsh]

Oh NVM it's poor lmfao

Least it's not VP xD

The only physbones avatar I have that survived on mobile lmao.

[rose solstice]

Is this avi cloneable aka public ?

[unreal marsh]

Yeah it's on a pedestal in my world ADRIFT. To the left of the main mirror. But sadly it's just poor. Least it still works tho lol.

[rose solstice]

Do u yk Any avis that r "good performance" or "medium performance" for android?

[unreal marsh]

Nah. Of all my favorites and personally uploaded that's the only one I can use that isn't a fallback.

[gritty shard]

Android users the same time to the quest so just look for the quest compatible medium avatars

[flint mortar]

Anyone having a problem where they can't see thier skin but only see their fallback skin?

[merry fable]

Learnt today and from General board that very poor avies are no longer supported for phone app.

[flint mortar]

Yeah I was reading rn up top

That sucks

And that cause all my avatars are in that level

[dark vigil]

Hello. VR Chat on mobile sounds cool, will it work with some kind of Bluetooth gamepad eventually?

[ember basalt]

Its cool until it crashes

Then it's annoying

[oak crag]

I've been playing it with a 8bitdo bluetooth controller for a few days now and not had any issues

[old root]

it does work with ps4 and ps5 controllers using bluetooth so pretty sure it works on all bluetooth controllers

[near lava]

Poor on Android/Quest for life?... hoo boy 📱 🔥 😵‍💫

[mystic sun]

what world is it in

[brave fjord]

Wild. Only quest for life? Not gonna at least try and save some money for upgrades?

[near lava]

I got a desktop that's equivalent of power to the PS5, gonna continue sticking to that as my primary platform. (Just wanted to make a lil opposite joke here ^^')

[brave fjord]

(Fair enough)

[brave fjord]

Are you in vr or something on the phone somehow???

[near lava]

That's on my Galaxy Tab S8+, didn't bother with the Quest and got a used Vive instead

[brave fjord]

I use a Galaxy A71

[near lava]

How's vrchat on there? (If you have it installed there)

[brave fjord]

Ehhhh You know the Gumball Lounge?

[near lava]

Never been there ^^'

[brave fjord]

After trying to load that damn world 4-5 times it finally allowed me in

[brave fjord]

Try it out. Has some puzzles. Has flashing and A LOT of colors

It's really fun though

[brave fjord]

Either way I'm not intentionally mentioning this but in my YT video I showed my experience with the game as well as how to work the controls.

My experience wasn't THE WORST but my phone gets pretty hot

It's why I made VRC Home as my home world lol. It's simple

[near lava]

Damn, you know what temperature exactly? (If you have something to track that on screen) cause both my phone and tablet, both powerhouses, goes up to 44 degrees C, and that's while capped to 30 fps and having new users' avatars blocked. 🔥

[brave fjord]

How do I find out?

All I have to show what my phone can handle is from 3DMark

One being specs other being a test

[near lava]

I use this plug-in that's from Game Plug-ins

[brave fjord]

Huh?

That might be a S model feature

[near lava]

Really? I was able to use that before when I had a Galaxy A53 (and A51)

[brave fjord]

Not aim assist

[brave fjord]

Oh I never looks maybe I should look for it then

[near lava]

Oh, I meant in the red circle, Perf Z ^^'

[brave fjord]

How do I get Game Plug In? Or PerfZ?

If I use It I can show you

[near lava]

You got the Game Launcher app? It should be in the Galaxy App Store

[brave fjord]

Oh yeah I auto have it I guess xD

[near lava]

The Game Plugins section is on the options tab, the three dots on the top right side of the screen in Game Launcher

[brave fjord]

[near lava]

Ohhh.... and the app is updated too, huh? ><'

[brave fjord]

Found it

[drowsy jungle]

do my avis need to be bad or medium?

*poor

[wanton moat]

Poor

[drowsy jungle]

thanks!

[wanton moat]

Damm the 80% of avatars are not gonna be able to be seen on android

[drowsy jungle]

yeah

mines very poor

[wanton moat]

Its very hard to optimize an avatar to be “poor” and make it look great

[drowsy jungle]

but only 20mb

[wanton moat]

quest can only see 10mb right?

9.99mb

[drowsy jungle]

dam

ill need to remove alot of things

[wanton moat]

they should add again the very poor for android

because i think theyre gonna remove it from quest too

[drowsy jungle]

bruh

they ruining the game fr

[wanton moat]

fr, they should reduce the map size instead of avatars

[drowsy jungle]

YEAH

[wanton moat]

when im in quest with the fallbacks avatar it still crashes

[drowsy jungle]

TRUE

[wanton moat]

and the game tells me “You ran out of memory ram” 😂

[drowsy jungle]

fr its bs

[wanton moat]

thats what needs to be optimize

not the avatars

An avatar has never crash me fr

its always the maps

[drowsy jungle]

except crasher avis lol

[wanton moat]

yeah but that one doesnt matter xd

thats the people fault

not vrchat

[drowsy jungle]

vrchat should do something if they can though

[wanton moat]

but for the quest or android they should reduce the maps size, no the avatar one

[oak crag]

It's rare I see an avatar in a public lobby that doesn't raise my room temp by 5 degrees whenever I look in their direction ngl

Most worlds usually have stats similar to your average very poor avi from what I've seen

[wanton moat]

i mean in quest, i know theres so many unoptimized avatars but what its crashing the most are both

Both at the same time

if they reduce maps sizes they dont have to reduce the visible avatars to poor

[brave fjord]

You still there?

I have some screenshots from the game I can show now. I'll go tk #android-discussion to show

[near lava]

Ah yes

[brave fjord]

You can check now when you're free

[cobalt portal]

no, this is flat out wrong. it's the avatars that are the problem. Very Poor should have never existed in its current unregulated state in the first place on Quest

[modest perch]

Then you should start to optimize then if it's our own avatars

[mystic sun]

there are very poorly optimized worlds that will murder quests frames

[cobalt portal]

sure, I'm not going to deny that those exist. but in the majority of cases, single avatars can be just as heavy as entire worlds

[modest perch]

50MB for a map is not enough. 100MB is okay.
And from what VRChat's team said, the issue isn't worlds, but avatars that aren't optimized properly.

[modest perch]

Very poorly optimized worlds do exist indeed, but the most popular worlds are pretty optimized, and it's mostly avatars that need to be optimized

Honestly, it was a good choice for VRChat to not allow very poor avatars on Android

and I'm pretty sure in the next few months, the same will happen for Quest.

[mystic sun]

most likely.

Which makes the extra $5 per pc quest avi I have bought useless

[flint mortar]

Rip

[modest perch]

Or you can optimize them

either manually

or with this :

https://markcreator.gumroad.com/l/Polytool

[mystic sun]

I have polytool. But sometimes it destroys the clothes if I go too low.

[cobalt portal]

automatic tools will never be perfect. some amount of hands-on work will be required

[mystic sun]

like certain things just dont like polytool

[modest perch]

but it does a amazing job for a automatic tool

[mystic sun]

Besides cant get most things down and have it look good using polytool

[sturdy pendant]

I'm still 100% on the side of, very poor should not be on quest at all. It's nice that android doesn't have it.

[brave fjord]

Well very poor was remove to help phones on the low/middle end to not have as bad as an issue for avatars. Quest can handle very poor. Well I never had issues with very poor when I was a questie

I do know VRC is regretting the very poor option though.

[sturdy pendant]

Okay but

[brave fjord]

That's why I said I know VRC regretted putting them on their platform in the first place

[bitter elm]

honestly I've just got the popcorn out for that day when they follow through on this, my only hope is that the performance metrics become more accurate by that time. IE: discriminating between regular polys, skinned polygons, and blendshape polygons.

[brave fjord]

I mean they seem to have a back up plan. If what I saw was real thye have "Imposters" instead of complete fallbacks

Where you can see ones avatar but it's quality has lowered a LOT

[candid atlas]

"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make."

[brave fjord]

LMAo

[formal snow]

What phone can u use to do VRC Android? I already have vrc plus

[vapid orchid]

Anything that has >8GB of RAM for best performance.

[stone lark]

Should be anything with at least Android 10 and 6GB or more of RAM.

[dry tree]

I had a quest for 2 years and all my avatars were very poor

never had a problem with em

been playing vrc for 2 until the headset broke and now I am on vrc mobile

this is a major downgrade

[brave fjord]

I bet...

[delicate prairie]

Am i allowed to ask questions here

So um, when will vrchat mobile be for everyone ;w; cause i am broke and i dont have enough money for vrchat plus

[tight quail]

#android-announcements

[delicate prairie]

Im having a bad day alr so cut me some slack ;-;

[dry tree]

Bro no one said anything bad about you lol he just sent you to the info channel

[delicate prairie]

No he didnt, i just moved myself :/

[crude cypress]

What according to avatar stats are you over on? You might just have to remove one or two things.

[dry tree]

all of my avatars are very poor

[crude cypress]

Yes. But why? In VRChat, you can view the stats and see if it's polycount, materials, physics, texture size or something else. Depending on the cause, it may not be as hard as you think to apply a bit of optimisation and squeak in to 'poor'

[dry tree]

No one makes or cares about the Good status for avatars when they make them lol

Quest and PC was able to use very poor avatars just fine

Only now are they deciding to make it so quest can't see them

despite there being no issues with them on quest

Mobile on the other hand can't run them

[oak crag]

if you see the amount of people complaing about vrchat running out of memory on quest you'd know this statement is outright false

[dry tree]

Again I had vrc on quest 2 for 2 years and all my avatars are very poor lol

I had zero problems

[tight quail]

don't make me tap the sign

[dry tree]

my biggest problem was opening my friends list

[crude cypress]

Most avatars I get are good or medium to start, and I try to keep my edits so that I don't end up in very poor or I'd get kicked out of some clubs by moderators for performance hogging.

[dry tree]

Oh lol I don't make avatars lmao I see the misinterpretation

[crude cypress]

I'd be keen to see a screenshot with an example of your avatar's stats to get an idea of its currently performance

[crude cypress]

Do you just use publics, or do you download and edit and/or upload private versions?

[dry tree]

I just use publics

[crude cypress]

Ah. Then, short of you finding the avatar author and asking them to improve their performance, not sure there is much you can do.

[thin locust]

On pc at least for that reason i have a good performance version and very poor

[spark spade]

then it defeat the purpose of the whole physbones on quest.
they added it in an already very limited quantity and any avatar with barely any physbones gets very poor instantly

[modest perch]

The max number of physbone components on Quest is 8, which is also the same for the poor ranking

You can't exceed this limit on Quest, and this in the Poor column

[spark spade]

exactly, which is why removing very poor on quest is bit hypocritical. It should have been done from the beginning, since exceeding that limit defaults by removing every physbones components

the only reason very poor exists is because ppl cant be bothered to atlas materials