Not a fan, there's a lot to work on

[acoustic epoch]

I have 400 hours on sor1 spanning multiple consoles. I played the demo for sor2 for an hour or so and defeated the mayor and did a few side quests. Overall it just feels like a more bloated less fun sor1.

Let me start with the positives:
the graphics look neat, and i like the new structures added. the textures look great.

Now the negatives
the cars feel slippery/ clunky to control, no matter what type I use. the roads are too narrow so I constantly bump into other vehicles, and they can't crash through buildings like shown in the trailer.
To fix this I'd make the cars slower with an acceleration factor, and make their turning smaller. adding wider roads as well as crosswalks would also be cool.

The whole stardew valley/ house thing sucks ass
If I wanted that kind of experience I would play minecraft or stardew. No one plays a hectic action game for this, and a lot of dev time should be going to other things. I assume this mechanic was added to provide downtime to the gameplay, but that already exists as you have to stock up on weapons and reach destinations.

The whole hunger/food mechanic sucks
my favorite memories of sor1 consist of stocking up on food and going guns blazing through areas. not being able to do that in 2 takes a lot away, and makes you play like a coward. I assume this was added to counter how easy food is to get, but this just isn't it.

Not a fan of the day/night cycle
self explanatory, just makes the game feel dead at night. would be better if it was always day.

Too dark interiors
self explanatory

I got a lot more to complain about lol but I'll stop for now. I hope my feedback helps

also kinda disappointed with the lack of change in gameplay. feels too similar

EDIT:
some more compliments
I really like the chunks, the structures are pretty nice, although they can use a lot more npcs
some more complaints
Not a fan of the city generation, I think each city should have less roads but be more cramped, to allow for more chaos and destruction
this applies to the structures as well. a lot have wasted space esp the mayor building, can use tweaking

Inventory is too cramped
the buttons are too small, it just plain sucks to navigate. a simple fix is just to have everything for building in like one category

A lot of structures feel pointless
i get its a WIP but so much of it feels like wasted space. I hope each structure becomes useful in its own way

Key points: I feel like a lot of the changes make the game more lame, tedious and slower, when it should be more hectic and insane. I hope the action part of the game will see a huge overhaul

Gameplay suggestions: Add a rechargeable dash to make getting around cities by foot better

also the bigger map size makes it so damn annoying to chase down escaping targets

[steel oyster]

holy what a take

its an open world game not sor1

[vapid lintel]

not a problem for me, I'm doing pretty well

just get better bro

[acoustic epoch]

it was for me, which is why I wrote it. it's my review not yours

[vapid lintel]

Indeed, and we can disagree

[static hare]

this one is actually kinda right

[vapid lintel]

just get better

it's easy to catch them

[magic ermine]

The "stardew valley/house thing" was one of the first things that he really wanted to put in that many of us wanted lol

[acoustic epoch]

tf you mean agree to disagree this review has nothing to do with you

[vapid lintel]

It has, I'm a consumer like u

[acoustic epoch]

well ig I'm not one of those many lol

[vapid lintel]

u just got a bad take mate, sorry

[magic ermine]

This IS a fundamentally different game too, he mentioned in a post that he wanted Sor1 to scratch the Roguelike itch while this game can scratch a different itch

[magic ermine]

fair lol

[vapid lintel]

exactly

[acoustic epoch]

so why does it feel like more of the same?

with some tacked on mechanics

[magic ermine]

probably because like 60% of the mechanics don't work lol (not hating but that's how it is rn lol)

[acoustic epoch]

listen, if yall are just gonna hate without looking at my points, i don't really care

[static hare]

your points are "this and this sucks"

[vapid lintel]

U don't need to care, if u just write your points and nobody disagrees with you, Matt may look at that and think it's a good idea, we need to give a thumbs up or thumbs down, feedbacks and reacts in general are important

[acoustic epoch]

please go back to the fifth grade so you can learn how to read

[static hare]

pass

[proper flame]

getro, it seems to me that some of these problems might be solved by mutators in future versions, like No Day/Night Cycle

[acoustic epoch]

That only adresses one of my many issues

[sterile linden]

I will show youn the options

[acoustic epoch]

the demo is just so barebones that it's really concerning how eary indev the game is despite being so many years in the works

[sterile linden]

this in world settings

[steel oyster]

because its a sequel?

[acoustic epoch]

like i said, it just feels like more of the same but just bloated to an extreme degree

[acoustic epoch]

a sequel is suppoesed tt improve on its former

[steel oyster]

"bloated" hasnt left tutorial island

[sterile linden]

And if you don’t like it just go bald to SOR1! Simply ! I love the SOR2

[steel oyster]

its literally increased in amount of content

and improved gameplay

[proper flame]

Ohh, this is great! The game won't run on my potato, so it's cool that you showed this, thanks ♫

[hidden crystal]

Guys you are arguing about a FUCKING OPINION

[acoustic epoch]

my point is that the content isnt good. tell me how the gameplay was i,proved

it's worse if anything as I pointed out below

above

[rocky patrol]

Well
Just like Darkest Dungeon 2 when compared to DD1, SoR2 is just a different game. It's not a roguelite fast-paced immersive sim, it's now a immersive-sim deadly-combat open world game. If the guy don't like it he don't like it

[steel oyster]

we are arguing his points

[nimble arch]

Its very funny to me how this guy went out of his way to write multiple paragraphs of his feedback and is clearly an actual fan of the first game and is getting attacked for having no points when he listed them all very clearly and his reasoning for coming to his conclusion

[acoustic epoch]

yeah this

i get that yall are loyal but just look at this from an objective view

[steel oyster]

i am

you are complaining about a pre-early access beta test

[acoustic epoch]

seeing as you are not considering any of my points, you clearly are not

[rocky patrol]

It's just that people don't like negativity about their game and will blindly defend it sometimes. Me personally, I can see myself playing this more as a "Relaxing time" kind of game compared to SoR 1's very hectic gameplay.

[steel oyster]

and drawing conclusions based on one hour of gameplay

[acoustic epoch]

there is only one hour of gameplay tf?

mfw I play through a demo and review it

the fact of the matter is that if these just get swept under the rug by just saying "it's just a demo bro" the game won't get better

[rocky patrol]

I do want to ask how you think the cars are clunky? I can understand slippery, they're very mobile in terms of how they move, but after experimenting with the controls a bit I found that only trying to pull out of an area without hitting a civi is about the hardest part.

[acoustic epoch]

wayyyyy to sensitive to turn from my experience

[steel oyster]

the car movement is pretty intuitive

[rocky patrol]

As in if you wanted to turn, it turns too fast?

[acoustic epoch]

makes me bump into buildings and others constantly

[acoustic epoch]

yeah that's one of em

[rocky patrol]

I would say, if the cars just turn too quickly, it might be something you'd have to get used to. After all, I got used to the cars pretty quickly, and can take sharp turns with ease without bumping others.

[acoustic epoch]

maybe, but I usually never have this sort of problem with driving in other games

[steel oyster]

yeah same

[sterile linden]

Well it’s it’s will be improved so I am sure but I still love it

[rocky patrol]

Usually being the keyword. Sometimes, for no reason, games just make your brain itch and something that should come intuitivly just doesn't.

If you wanted to, you could probably try just practicing the car controls? I know I took a good 5-10 minutes just turning with a car to get a feel for how they move.

[acoustic epoch]

by that I meant I can't remember a game having driving this clunky. back to my critique, I feel like the changes I suggested will go a long way

[prisma saddle]

SOR can be a hectic action game. But it isn’t just that, I would argue that isn’t even most people’s favorite part. I think your criticism is more just coming from the fact that you want to play an action game.

[acoustic epoch]

I already have, I played for an hour

[acoustic epoch]

mfw I boot up an action game to play an action game

[rocky patrol]

I also wanted to get to that point

[prisma saddle]

It isn’t an action game.

[rocky patrol]

SoR1 and SoR2 are, as far as I'm concerned, two different games.

[acoustic epoch]

what about this screams "not an action game" LMFAOOOOOOOO

[prisma saddle]

It has action In it, but calling it that is reductive

It’s a sandbox

[acoustic epoch]

it's trying to do so many things at oncee but just fails

[rocky patrol]

Not in terms of gameplay, but the genre. SoR1 is a roguelite immersive-sim action game. SoR2 is more akin to a immersive-sim sandbox game.

[steel oyster]

mfw the open world sandbox survival has building and survival

[rocky patrol]

It's not a survival game.

[steel oyster]

Action not necessarily high intensity action

[acoustic epoch]

but the sandbox is literally the same as in sor1. you tackle the missions the exact same way, just with more hinderances in between. the cars don't add nearly as much as hyped up to be

[steel oyster]

PMAO WHAT

[sterile linden]

Bro just be patient when things are polished nits will be good

[acoustic epoch]

dude stop replying. you literally have no points and are just fanboting

[prisma saddle]

And for a lot of people that’s what they wanted from the sequel. More stuff in the sandbox and a bigger sandbox.

It seems like you just want the first one again

Having bigger worlds and more to do will always slow the game down considerably

[acoustic epoch]

please detail the "new sandbox features"

[rocky patrol]

No. While the base fundamentals from SoR1 are still there, SoR2 takes the idea of SoR1 and expands it towards a new genre. A good example is that you now have checkpoints, specific character saves, world saves. The game is designed around long-play, rather then SoR1's Roguelite philosophy.

[steel oyster]

your points were that you can’t drive, that the sandbox game lets you choose to farm and that food has been altered accordingly to the gameplay change

[acoustic epoch]

this is saying a lot without saying anything

[rocky patrol]

It's simply not a fast-paced roguelite anymore.

That's the summary.

[rocky patrol]

I said fast-paced roguelite.

[steel oyster]

also doesn’t rpg and rogue like kinda go against eachother

[prisma saddle]

I didn’t say new sandbox features, I said more stuff in the sandbox

[rocky patrol]

No, there's Barony.

[steel oyster]

Effective

Not required

[prisma saddle]

Is that even talking about games

[desert pond]

hope matt can scroll thru all the semantics

[rocky patrol]

Okay, I want to ask you something; Do you know the relationship between Darkest Dungeon 1 and Darkest Dungeon 2?

[acoustic epoch]

I have not played eithr

listen, yall can hate and fanboy all you want, I'm just giving my two cents as a long time fan

[rocky patrol]

Okay, to sum it up; DD1 is a soft-managment, Roguelite dungeon crawler game. It's a long-play form of game, where you spend a LOT of time on one save, but the Roguelite part comes from upgrading your town to improve your party's chances of survival in the dungeon.

DD2 is a "One run and done" kind of game. You set out a party, and that party will either beat the game on that run, or will lose. There is still minor Roguelite elements, but it is a FASTLY different expereince from DD1, to the point someone could perfer one over the other.

That's the same thing going on here. SoR1 and SoR2 are different enough games, that people can decide they like one over the other.

[acoustic epoch]

the comparison does not work cause I have not head of either games lol

you can be making it up for all i know

[rocky patrol]

So despite the fact I explained the summary of both to you, my point is invalid because you "haven't heard of it?"

[acoustic epoch]

yeah

[rocky patrol]

That's the same kind of "Nah you wrong" mentality everyone else is giving to you.

[acoustic epoch]

no not really

[rocky patrol]

So if you're not going to take my points, then I can't take your points either.

[acoustic epoch]

you havent

neither has anyone else in this thread

[rocky patrol]

Wtf do you mean I've been asking you your points and discussing them with you.

Not just blowing them off.

[acoustic epoch]

your replies are basically just skill issue lol

[rocky patrol]

I am saying that there is the possibility that you, as an individual, do not like the game because it's going for something different.

There's the possibility you won't ever like the game because it's not what you're looking for.

It's the same thing that happened to many players going from DD1 to DD2; it was such a drastic change in gameplay that there's people that perfered DD1 over DD2, and vice versa.

[acoustic epoch]

so I keep getting two responses. whenever I say it's too bloated and a lot of the added mechanics suck, its "oh its a completely different game" and when I say that the gameplay mechanics/loop are too stale and have not changed at all from the original its "oh well it's a sequel what did you expect". end of

[rocky patrol]

First off, that's because everyone has different opinions.

Second off, not everyone is going to try and make an informed decision, and instead will make a hot take without thinking about the implications of their answer.

I tried to have an informed, polite conversation with you because you were being hogged by fanboys, but you're not giving that sort of respect back to me.

[acoustic epoch]

ai ahh reply

[rocky patrol]

You're just grossly simplifing anything I say to "Lol skill issue"

[prisma saddle]

I feel like the moment to moment action really hasn’t changed, there’s just more to do outside of it. As with the first game, you don’t to have to engage with much outside the combat if you don’t want to.

[rocky patrol]

And while yes, maybe the car thing is a skill issue, your other points aren't. Which we havent even been able to get to yet.

[prisma saddle]

Therefore it really doesn’t feel bloated to me, because it’s all optional

[proud lynx]

Review was written in a perspective that benefits the reviewer, not among peers/others who currently enjoy the demo despite its bare minimum functionality, or clunky/bugged parts. If I recall the message that comes up at start in demo states bugs, etc anyway.

[proud lynx]

A sandbox where you do what you want in the world of SOR

[prisma saddle]

Yes lol

[cedar compass]

Game good

[rocky patrol]

This. That's what SoR2 is.

SoR2 is trying to be a living enviroment, jumping off from the in-depth mechanics from SoR1

[proud lynx]

Freedom with the notation in mind that you don’t HAVE to go after the mayor, you can roleplay, do whatever

[cedar compass]

objectively correct

[acoustic epoch]

none of the mechanics in sor1 wer ein depth lmfao it's a simple arcade rougelike

which is why it worked

[rocky patrol]

This is like your first objectively wrong statement

SoR1 is like, a symbol of immersive-sims.

[acoustic epoch]

you clearly have never played an imsim in that case lmfao

[rocky patrol]

Dude I played the original Dues-Ex

[prisma saddle]

I don’t think OPs criticism is invalid , I just think it’s coming from a kind of player that most of us aren’t. And that’s not something that can be changed by “fixing” the game. Maybe this just isn’t the game for OP

[cedar compass]

SoR1 is a roguelike interpretation of an immersive sim, SoR2 is a living immersive sim based on SoR1

[static hare]

dang didnt know that sor1 is just about killing everyone

[prisma saddle]

I enjoy the slower sandbox like gameplay, it’s what I did the most in SOR

[rocky patrol]

That's what I've been trying to say, but he's just been changing my words to "damn skill issue"

[static hare]

mb i was playing it the wrong way

[prisma saddle]

But I understand that I’m different from OP

[acoustic epoch]

I'm the only one here who 100 percented sor1 and apparantly I'm not a sor fan? news to me

[static hare]

only one 😂

[prisma saddle]

Never said you weren’t a fan

[acoustic epoch]

u too bbg

[prisma saddle]

Just saying this sequel may not be for you

[cedar compass]

games arent for everyone, thats alright

[prisma saddle]

You’re always welcome to go back and play the first one, or play this one in a way that feels like the first one if you can.

[rocky patrol]

Outside of the car thing, most of your points have been "Nah this mechanic sucks get rid of it" which isn't exactly a healthy idea to just strip the game back and make it "SoR1 with better graphics."

[cedar compass]

EXACTLY

SoR2 is its own creature

I do beleive the eating mechanic can be improved, but i dont want it gone

[nimble arch]

Besides the building one they explain clearly why they think the game would be better without it?

[acoustic epoch]

make it sor1 but better, improve on what made that game great, not make sor1 but with a bunch of shit that sucks

[cedar compass]

Why does it suck

because of bloat?

[acoustic epoch]

reminder to read the original post

[cedar compass]

perhaps there can be options to turn certain things off

[rocky patrol]

That's not what the dev is going for, though. You are talking from what you want, not on how to improve the Dev's vision. That's the crux of the problem with your post.

[prisma saddle]

Most of the mechanics you don’t like are mechanics most of us were excited for and enjoy. They could be improved, but they will most likely not be removed. This game will most likely never be what you want it to be.

As they were key selling points of SOR2

[acoustic epoch]

I'm looking at it obectivley. not if it's what the dev wanted or not, but if it's fun. which rn it kinda isnt

[rocky patrol]

Dude, I can't WAIT to make a fucking mega-base, and there's the problem. You don't find it fun, but the fast majority of players do find it fun.

[acoustic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/reggie-not-fun-why-fun-if-its-not-fun-gif-18524715

[prisma saddle]

I don’t think he’s going to get it guys.

[static hare]

yeah, why do you bother continuing to type here

[rocky patrol]

Exactly, you made my point. Your post doesn't mean much, because no matter what you will not like this game, if you don't want the product it's selling.

[acoustic epoch]

because it's my thread?

some real racecar brains here

[prisma saddle]

I’ve said all I need to say. At this point it’s just going in circles.

[cedar compass]

i think that if Matt could add a mutator that adds back SoR1 healing and makes cars slower, youd like the game a bit better

[static hare]

me me

[cedar compass]

palindrome moment

[acoustic epoch]

then it would just be the same thing as sor1, and at that point just play that

[static hare]

https://tenor.com/view/kachow-cars-lightning-mc-queen-pixar-disney-gif-5931942

[rocky patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-cat-gif-17984166845494923336

[static hare]

yeah go play it

[prisma saddle]

THATS WHAT WE’re saying

[cedar compass]

go play it then

no hostility

[prisma saddle]

You want to take away all the new mechanics. That will just make it SOR1 again.

That’s fine go play mods if you want new stuff

[acoustic epoch]

holy hell yall are dense. is it hard to understand that I want SOR1 but BETTER?

[prisma saddle]

Matt obviously is done with SOR1.

[static hare]

clearly this is not happening

[acoustic epoch]

no shit

[rocky patrol]

You made our point, which is "You don't want to play SoR2, you want to play SoR1"

[prisma saddle]

SOR but better was the DLC

[acoustic epoch]

when did it say that

[prisma saddle]

What else could he add?

[rocky patrol]

Matt want's to make SoR2, you want SoR1.5

That's the whole thing we're saying

[cedar compass]

Matt already MADE SoR1 but better, its called "Streets of Rogue character pack"

[proud lynx]

Make your own game

[rocky patrol]

The problem with your post is that, while it's your opinion, we all believe your opinion has no place here because SoR2 is trying to be vastly different.

[acoustic epoch]

behold the worst response to critisism in all of media. didn't think it would get this far

[cedar compass]

I think the slippery cars arguement makes sense

maybe certain cars can have certain levels of slipperyness?

[prisma saddle]

Please give an outline of this SOR1 but better game you want. Is there really that much more that can be improved without making it…. this game.

[cedar compass]

^^^^real

[rocky patrol]

Like, straight up, I just had a peak SoR moment where I'm driving around, and without warning I suddenly see this MASSIVE fight break out between cops and the goons inside someone's shop. Like, SoR2 has so much more potential for the cool, wacky, in-depth mechanics then SoR1 ever had, because it now is in an open world format.

I believe SoR2 is a different experience that I will find many hours of enjoyment in, even on multiple playthroughs.

[prisma saddle]

A sequel can be the first game but better, but there’s not much more to do with SOR1, that’s why Matt went in this direction

That’s why there’s no gungeon 2

[acoustic epoch]

behold the "why don't you make your own game" part 2 electric boogaloo

[prisma saddle]

Everything they felt they could improve upon was added in updates

[cedar compass]

I think SoR2 is the natural evolution of SoR1

[prisma saddle]

I did not say that

[cedar compass]

if you dont like it, and cant bring constructive ideas to the table, then why play it?

[static hare]

btw exit sucks

[rocky patrol]

SoR1 is mostly a perfect game. Outside of expanding the scope of the game, SoR1's only real improvement would be graphics.

[cedar compass]

facts

[acoustic epoch]

reminder that this is my thread

[prisma saddle]

I’m saying the game you want is probably can’t exist

[rocky patrol]

Yes, also means we get to come here and tell you if your opinion is lacking.

[acoustic epoch]

I literally did bring constructive critique lmfao please go back to the 3rd grade and learn to read

[rocky patrol]

Not that your opinion is wrong, but that it's not great.

[cedar compass]

you had ONE constructive critique about cars.

[acoustic epoch]

read past the first paragraph

[rocky patrol]

The rest were "I don't want this."

[cedar compass]

YES

IT WAS

[rocky patrol]

"Constructive criticism is a type of feedback that helps people improve by providing specific, actionable advice"

The first bit was JUST you saying "Hey graphics good "

[prisma saddle]

You say you want SOR1 but better, but everything you’ve said hinted you just want another SOR1 update.

Because that’s what SOR1 but better is

[rocky patrol]

And that's okay!

[acoustic epoch]

google sequel definition

[prisma saddle]

Yes

[cedar compass]

Sequels build off the first

[prisma saddle]

It’s certainly not what you think it is

[cedar compass]

how is this not that??

this builds off the first

in many creative ways

[proud lynx]

You want feedback to your feedback I can take what you said in original post, play the same hour and bring in better criticism other than “self-explanatory”, “not a fan”, “this is what I would add to fix this”.

Your post is completely one sided perspective, not optimistic for it being a new endeavor for the indie dev to explore, community wanted features you hate and want the game to be sor1 but better? But fail to extend on that when asked but keep deflecting because rest of us can’t take criticism, when in the end you just can’t accept the fact the game itself is going to a new direction that you just don’t approve of because it steers out of the original sor1 game loop. Which you suck at driving cause you run into cars and things in the demo and I haven’t ran into that issue.

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[rocky patrol]

If squeles were always just "The first one but a little more" Call of Duty wouldn't have overhauled the gunplay in MW 2019

[acoustic epoch]

aint readin allat

give me a tldr

facebook ass pfp

[cedar compass]

the worst response to criticism, right here folks

[rocky patrol]

TL;DR you got crtitcs, didn't like crtitcs, and cried that people said your critics aren't for the game.

[rocky patrol]

Actual clown energy

[cedar compass]

if sequels were "first game but with DLC" then every sequel would be bland and boring

[acoustic epoch]

none of yall 100%ed sor1 and yall think yall know better than me abt sor1 real clown energy

please

[cedar compass]

we know the core of the game

and thats what matters here

[rocky patrol]

Also, the fuck you mean "You ain't reading all that" when Your post was longer.

[acoustic epoch]

nuh uh

[rocky patrol]

[prisma saddle]

Yeah your point is that this isn’t the sequel you wanted, but that’s not really something that can changed.

[proud lynx]

He needs to go back to 5th grade

[proud lynx]

Better tldr to op post

[cedar compass]

Go have a Capri-sun and come back when youre not cranky

[near lintel]

this shit still going on

its been an hour

[cedar compass]

i dont know why im still here tbh

[prisma saddle]

I’m gonna go back to playing the game instead of arguing about it. Good Looks op

[cedar compass]

same

[rocky patrol]

I tried to have a conversation with him but god damn he got too much clown energy for me.

[proud lynx]

I’m about to load demo back up myself

[acoustic epoch]

before yall say anything remember I 100%d sor1 so ur opinion < mine

[proud lynx]

See y’all later

[proud lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/its-karen-it's-karen-karen-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-karen-philadelphia-gif-18156971751044503816

[trail hatch]

i have too, , i think ur just hating because sor2 isnt what You wanted it to be heheh

[cedar compass]

A permanent daytimme option!

look at that, your problems are on their way to being solved

[sterile linden]

I did mention it earlier

[cedar compass]

sorry didnt see it, apologies

[sterile linden]

It’s all good

[proud lynx]

He threw that mention out the window cause it doesn’t address all the other underlying problems with the current build not being sor1 but better

[acoustic epoch]

oh wow! now it can just be sor1 but worse

[brisk bolt]

you are just a troll 😂
you are just bashing the game, if you want to give feedback try to be nice next time and not like "this sucks ass" "this is sucks"
how do you think people would react to that ?

[cedar compass]

trying to be positive man

i genuinely want to help

[acoustic epoch]

if yall arent giving serious answers to my inqueries or interested in having a civil informed discussion theres no point in trying

[cedar compass]

if i recall, there were quite a few serious answers to your inquiries

[prisma saddle]

Literally most of my replies lol

[acoustic epoch]

again

[proud lynx]

There was, but again none of us has 100%d sor1 so our current opinions aren’t enough, he is the only one that has done that

[prisma saddle]

This is SOR2 sir

[trail hatch]

i do kinda agree that the demo is a bit sloppy,, there are lots of leftovers from sor1 which just don't seem to mesh well with what sor2 is going for? but this is like. an alpha build so those things are likely to change

[cedar compass]

this whole argument is gonna go round and round so long as getro keeps reflecting

[acoustic epoch]

finally a good take. and wouldnt you call it, it's from someone who 100%ed sor1

[trail hatch]

sjfhsjs

[acoustic epoch]

from now on if you haven't 100%ed sor1 stop

[cedar compass]

its a good take that directly challenges your own

[trail hatch]

i still think ur hating waaay too hard

[proud lynx]

“Finally a good take”, cause someone stroke his ego and agreed with 1 criticism remark that actually potentially had genuine feedback.

[trail hatch]

but i do agree that there's work to be done

[cedar compass]

if you havent 100%ed fortnite stop playing it

[acoustic epoch]

eh the only thing I hope gets taken from this is my initial statement. I was being blunt but it's just how I put things. everything else can kinda be disregarded

[prisma saddle]

Okay but what right do you have to criticise SOR2, have you 100% it?

[brisk bolt]

Just try to Accept that you are trolling the Community.
You started it with bashing the game.
Sure you can give Feedback but you are Just salty that the Game is different like you expected it

[acoustic epoch]

100% sor1 then come back pall I'm not reading that

[proud lynx]

The demo yes and when the release comes out he will have that done in an hour too

[cedar compass]

we got elitists in SoR discord before SoR2 😭

[proud lynx]

Morgan freeman: he did in fact read that. Yet he strokes his ego cause that’s the only thing close to the original gameplay loop that he yearns for sor2 to be.

[acoustic epoch]

sorry is that a white role? yeah not reading that

[brisk bolt]

For real ? 😂
So you are cool because you have 100% in SoR1 ? 😂😂

[acoustic epoch]

yeah

[brisk bolt]

I guess you are more Like a 100% troll

[cedar compass]

hes gotta be trolling

[prisma saddle]

That’s cool and all but this is a different game

[cedar compass]

nobody is this fucking dense

[prisma saddle]

He’s probably a kid

[brisk bolt]

Yes

[prisma saddle]

Not being insulting I genuinely believe that

[acoustic epoch]

a lotta white roles talking trash 🥱 100% the game then come back pall

[proud lynx]

None of us have actually read his op post, we just jumping a band wagon and hating on him when we really should be looking at his post and look at the details he left. The details that all of us feel and see in the demo.

[cedar compass]

yeah no you are most definitely trolling

can we get mods to close a thread if its made for the purpose of trolling?

[acoustic epoch]

no it's like keeping out people without degrees from an enlightened phd discussion

[proud lynx]

Idk good question

[static hare]

and i agree with them. 100% is not a metric of anything.

[acoustic epoch]

my original critique still stands

[cedar compass]

i dont want to drag mods into this preschoolers arguement though

[proud lynx]

Preschoolers argue better imo

iPad kids evolved

[acoustic epoch]

and you have a right to

as someone who 100% the game I can also hold my informed opinion

[robust lagoon]

Hey I just wanna quickly jump in and moderate a bit.

We will be reading all the feedback and we will consider all of it. Please everyone also keep in mind that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and there will be positive and negative opinions regarding the new game.

If you don't like something in the demo that's coo., If you got criticism, it's fair to share it and we also like to hear it to make the game the best it can be.
Please if you write critique, still always keep the tone frienldy and answers aimed at the topic. It's hard for us to read a topic like this and sort out all the answers, especially if a lot of it is discussion.

Huge parts of the game will be improved, keep in mind that this is a demo and then the game launches into early access, SOR1 also had many updates and improved over a long period of time.

If you like things, you also can share this in your own review.

Anyways it's back to work for me.

[proud lynx]

Yeah but your stance is since no one else here 100%d the game our opinions are nothing. Make up your mind

[cedar compass]

the devs grace us with holy knowledge

[acoustic epoch]

alg. just gotta point out mostly the stuff I said in the start is my genuine opinion. after that just taking the piss

It has potential and I hope it improves

[static hare]

as someone who 100% the game, i say: screw you. it doesn't matter if the person 100%ed something, their opinion is still valid.

[desert pond]

yall r being ragebaited so hard

[cedar compass]

we really are

[acoustic epoch]

hold on one second, as someone who speedruns the game, you disregard the actual game mechanics, so I'm taking that reputation point away pal sorry

[static hare]

yeah except i sit with a stone emoji ahh face lol

[static hare]

😂

[proper sigil]

why is there like an actual war

sorry OP you're delusional

[cedar compass]

lmao this is great

[static hare]

said the guy who thinks sor is just an action game

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-kenan-thompson-snl-mmhmm-gif-704775788876592410

[desert pond]

oh god its about to get worse

[static hare]

we got popcorn fucking before playtest

[proper sigil]

I don't know how there's 350 comments here

[cedar compass]

popcorn fucking

[proper sigil]

all he said was that he didn't like the demo

no consideration paid to any other feedback post

[acoustic epoch]

sorry but if you don't have the blue name I have to politely ask you to cease

[cedar compass]

he was snooty about it afterwards and the war began

[proper sigil]

you all need something better to do with your time than losing your rags over this clown

[static hare]

i do

[cedar compass]

like playing the demo

which i should probably get back to

[static hare]

cant rn

[cedar compass]

i apologise to myself for taking this long to do more productive things

[proper sigil]

also i kinda agree with the car thing

it's really uhh

aggressive

[acoustic epoch]

go 100% sor1 maybe you will become more knowlegable and apologise for your bad takes

[static hare]

havent tried cars yet

[proper sigil]

the rest is, to me, just issues with personal preference

but the cars go from 0 to 100

[trail hatch]

true,,

[proper sigil]

I don't mind their implementation

I think that's also a case of just getting used to them

most people are gonna be driving them at 100 anyway

[static hare]

no words needed

[acoustic epoch]

so why did you write words

proof that speedrunning rots your brain

[static hare]

why did you write words?

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

[desert pond]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[static hare]

human... i remember you're genocides

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-spin-rotate-rotating-twirl-gif-27369771

Snas

[static hare]

HOLY SHIT IS THAT NESS UNDERTALE

so uh is the funny over

oh well

[cedar compass]

I returned to say sand undertale

[static hare]

my popcorn ran out anyways

[sterile linden]

Thank you and I can DM you? Cause I want to talk to you regarding. Something

[cedar compass]

All out of popcorn fucking

[desert pond]

rsd58 foxpaws has a huge business offer

[static hare]

we need more popcorn fucking

[desert pond]

its really gonna change up the game

[static hare]

matt should add popcorn fucking to the game

and popcorn fucking houses

and popcorn babies

[cedar compass]

Yea

[static hare]

and popcorn world

[cedar compass]

Fopcorn pucking

[static hare]

just make a mutator that turns everything into popcorn

and edible

i want to eat people

and cannibal is not here yet

[cedar compass]

Can I ball

[static hare]

anyways do you guys think hes just actually fucking stupid or is he trolling

with that 100% talk

[cedar compass]

Both

[static hare]

damn

you found the true answer

you win more popcorn fucking

[cedar compass]

Believes it somewhat, but thinks he’s trolling

MORE PF

Wonderful

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[acoustic epoch]

schrodingers troll

[static hare]

hi

[cedar compass]

Can we start a shitposting server specifically for SoR2

[static hare]

give me a sec

[acoustic epoch]

aint no one joinin that

[cedar compass]

Nuh uh

[acoustic epoch]

what are you still doing here go 100% sor1

[cedar compass]

Nuh uh

[acoustic epoch]

once you do you will feel so dumb abt the things you said

[static hare]

join i sent it in dms

[cedar compass]

Splendid

Adios getro

[wraith token]

Popcorn fuckinh

[brave cargo]

me this whole conversation

[static hare]

so real

[brave cargo]

why do I need to play a game when y'all are so entertaining

[acoustic epoch]

yall dudes gotta 100% sor1 it opens a third eye

[brisk bolt]

When you have SoR1 100% how cant you See the differents to SoR2 ? 😂

[static hare]

untrue i checked

[brave cargo]

simply untrue

[acoustic epoch]

sees white name, yup, another guy who hasn't 100%ed the game, opinion disregarded

[brave cargo]

or a person who did 100% but did not send a screenshot to the people of the discord

[wraith token]

Chat, is this digital racism?

And/or classism

[brave cargo]

oh it is

100% percent

[rigid shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-popcorn-cat-amigos-de-los-gatos-cat-jam-popcorn-gif-20604542

[static hare]

stop playing fortnite if you havent 100%ed it

you're not a true fan

[tired solstice]

damn, how u still arguing with everyone?.. you coulda made sor3 in unreal engine urself alrdy the way u wanted it, pretty sure all this does it make matt skip reading the review 😂

[tulip skiff]

Hey there! Is there anything I can help you with?

[static hare]

hiii unhinged messages 2 when

ill be FAMOUS

(actually they probably wont mention the authors of crazy stuff tho)

[sterile linden]

Yeah I can’t DM staff about something

[tulip skiff]

I'll send you a DM 😄

[upbeat badger]

As someone who has the blue role:
We do not claim this individual.

[turbid belfry]

👀

[proud lynx]

[vapid lintel]

I have white name and I did 100% many times, so what's ur point ?

[broken bison]

Why you guys still arguing about HIS opinion? 💀

[vapid lintel]

at this point, he looks more like a troll

[acoustic epoch]

do u didn't

if you 100%ed you would haave a blue name

[vapid lintel]

Yes I did, many times... I have all characters unlocked, all mutations, etc...

Probably I wasn't in DD before, ig.

[turbid belfry]

stay respectful everyone

[acoustic epoch]

so why don't you have a blue name

u cappin

[vapid lintel]

I did so many times, since a long time ago...

in many ways

[vocal beacon]

tbh i agree with everything, so far demo only made me less interested in buying game

if its what matt was cooking for so long i honestly would call it waste of time and effort

[acoustic epoch]

brutal but fair

I have a similar feel

i really hope the ea build is huge

[vocal beacon]

my hope is dead already

at most i hope when it gets out of ea its passable

[acoustic epoch]

a little pessimistic

but yeah I find a lot of the new additions lame or poorly implemented

[simple onyx]

it's way, way too early to be like "wow this game is dead already there's no hope" lol

[acoustic epoch]

the game has been indev for many years so I can see why people might say that

[simple onyx]

And it will continue to be developed for a while after the EA is out. Some of y'all are acting like this is going to be the final game with nothing else added or updated

[vocal beacon]

which is why they're is small hope at end of early access to me

but if this all took years there is no room for optimism

[simple onyx]

SoR1 took like 4 or 5 years to fully come out tho??

[acoustic epoch]

on ea launch sor1 was still very fun to play, and conceptually was all there

[vocal beacon]

feedback was supposed to be honest and im brutally honest. if things improve then great, but there is a LOT to fix

[simple onyx]

i'm pretty sure the point of the demo is to get a general feel for what people think, not to show everyone what the end result is going to be like

do you think he's just not going to listen to any feedback? lol

[trail hatch]

i think most of the work has been like. worldgen, schedules, making all the Big systems., but i do think there is a lot of work to be done in terms of like. moment to moment gameplay

[acoustic epoch]

that's not the point of this discussion. If it took this long to make this kinda shallow experience it will take even longer patching it to a better state, therefore I will prob buy in like 3 or 4 years when the game is out

[trail hatch]

in terms of gameplay, it's basically sor1 shoved into an open world,, and sor1's gameplay on its own doesn't really work as well in an open world, imo

[simple onyx]

how tf do you figure patching it is going to take longer? like, what metric is even being used for this?

[acoustic epoch]

common sense?

you don't see a completely broken car and say hmm yes this will be fixed by tommorow

[wraith token]

Translation: just trust me bro

[simple onyx]

game dev and fixing a car are two different types of work

why are we using this as a metric

[tired solstice]

litterally yes... make turning a constant speed, thats not too fast and it'd be perfect? o.o

[simple onyx]

like I'm not even saying that the demo doesn't have flaws or anything like that. it's very janky in my experience and clearly needs some TLC patches as time goes on

[acoustic epoch]

thats far far from the only issue

[simple onyx]

but why are you acting like none of this is going to be addressed and the game is just going to stay like this lol

[warm breach]

People "Matt is a perfectionist and never let us play the game even when clearly it is already ready"

Also People "The game is unfinished and Matt sucks, this game is dead and will never be good"

I wonder why he was so reluctant to do a playtest

[acoustic epoch]

at it's core it just feels like the same thing as sor1 but with extra bloat

[tired solstice]

turn speed = 600/velocity > turn speed = 300 - would be a perfect solution, letting u turn while still too xd

it'd take bout 3 minutes i think

[simple onyx]

this attitude is extremely unhelpful and unproductive

[acoustic epoch]

this dude really reacted to his own message lmfao

[wraith token]

Just shut up

[warm breach]

i can do whatever the fuck i want

[tired solstice]

gta sor1, which is what i always been wanting 🤷 feels 10x as fun as sor1 imo xd

[acoustic epoch]

you know what else is unhelpful and unproductive? saying everything is fine and refusing to adress issues

[simple onyx]

no one is saying that my guy

lol

[acoustic epoch]

can yall stop acting like childeren we are tryna have a proper convo

[wraith token]

No

[acoustic epoch]

blocked

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[simple mauve]

i saw "Not a Fan" 50 dislikes, and over 500 comments

what happened

[wraith token]

Yep

[wraith token]

Everything

[acoustic epoch]

a lotta people don't take kindly to constructive critique

[warm breach]

dude thinks early alpha demo means ready

[wraith token]

Also popcorn fucking

[vocal beacon]

i also couldn't understand why people were pushing for playtest so much, actual insanity

[simple mauve]

people get impatient

[vocal beacon]

ok, and? sounds like personal issue

[simple mauve]

but i wanna keep my braincells all 5 of them for speedrunning so imma go have fun yall

[warm breach]

that is the thing, he did a an early alpha demo, anyone thinking the game would not have many incomplete features and problems is just delusional

it will take months/years for release

just like the first game

[magic ermine]

wait really?

[acoustic epoch]

I've been here since the start dude

[warm breach]

so have i, you had only 1 floor and very few characters and things to do, the premise was new and incredible

[simple onyx]

guys i can't believe a game demo isn't fully feature complete and 100% perfect out of the gate, SoR in the mud 😔 😔 😔

[acoustic epoch]

listen dude I can only explain my issues with the game I can't understand them for you as well

[simple onyx]

i think people just really miss the point of demos sometimes and that's why we don't see as many demos as we used to for games anymore

[wraith token]

Yeah

Kind of sad really

[warm breach]

pretty much

[tired solstice]

i think its just a taste issue.. u dont like gta, so turning sor1 into gta, isnt for you - it is for us tho xd i had very much fun playing the demo 😅

heres to hoping sor3 will be a mix all can enjoy ig 🤷

[vocal beacon]

oh god...

[tired solstice]

yeah it wont happen - but yall can probably mod sor2 into tiny cells and play it like sor1 anyways 🤷

[acoustic epoch]

a lot of people who hate my take haven't played sor1 much as seen how most of them don't have a blue role. Yeah if you havent played 1 much 2 seems a lot more fresh and innovative. But I played the game to death and have a more nuanced opinion

[warm breach]

also, he wants to make this one with mods in mind, be able to do more than game 1, so you might even be able to mod for specific tastes and wants

[vocal beacon]

it's not the issue i have that sor2 is open world, it's issue that there isn't anything meaningful behind it

[warm breach]

more like, you played it to death and therefore, the unfinished product feels more of the same

[hollow lodge]

Is this thread mostly just everyone yelling at OP lol.
Guys the devs need feedback though honestly I want more feedback from the devs on the games goal or if it's pure sandbox with SoR1 mechanics or not

[wraith token]

Bro is stupid

[magic ermine]

fair

[vocal beacon]

i have spent in sor approximately 500h and I'm probably only person here that agrees

[simple onyx]

This isn't really what I would call feedback, it's just complaining that it isn't exactly like the first game and doomsaying because of it lol

[vocal beacon]

it isn't, i see you have reading comprehension issue

[trail hatch]

i do agree it's not exactly constructive to yell at op for their opinions but also op just kinda yells back so

[simple onyx]

there is nothing constructive at all about going "wow it took this long to make this demo just quit while you're ahead" lol

[vocal beacon]

what can you do with such community

[vocal beacon]

its pointing out at issues

[wraith token]

It's not constructive

[tired solstice]

i played sor1 into boredom, thats not the problem here i can garantee you - i see everything he "copy pasted" into sor2 - but the open world still adds sooo much more potential for the game, if ur into that - it just sounds alot like u arent..

like u complain they flee from you - one of my biggest issues in sor1, is that it was litterally impossible for an npc to flee from you, for more than 20 seconds at a time 😅 tho i do agree with the cars they seem pretty nnoying to drive xd

building too seems great, just adds oppertunity for things u can do - if u dont like it, dont do it 😅

imagine the modding tho with actural store interating npcs and stuffs would be sweet xd

[vocal beacon]

how else would you write it then to be constructive, out of curiosity? to me it seems well thought and is pointing at issues, as feedback should

[warm breach]

also, not a single npc "escaped" too far anyway in my demo, more like they ran 2 blocks and stopped and went back

[tired solstice]

building alone makes it possible to mod in like 50000 other games 😅

[proud lynx]

Pointing out concerns/issues and coming up with potential non-reversal suggestions, changes to help improve it.

[wraith token]

Most of what he says is opinions and what is genuinely a small issue op make it a super big deal for no reason

[warm breach]

he said once that he intends on doing that

[proud lynx]

[tired solstice]

i accidentally pissed off 2 dudes, ran away, ended up with 20 ppl chasing me - then i found them scattered all over the city 😅 sounds like he just ran till he was safe and walked a random direction tho 😅

[tired solstice]

yee, u saying this makes me absolutely hype over this game ngl 😂

i thought it was gonna be good, now i know its gonna be gloooorious :3

[vocal beacon]

if you say so

[tired solstice]

even if i hate the cars, meh, nexusmods will have 50 carmods day1 lolol

[wraith token]

I do

[vocal beacon]

though this arguing could go on for hours and we will get nowhere

[warm breach]

he also mentioned he wants factions and npcs to interact by themselves suchs as gang wars and territory takeover

[delicate stone]

bait used to be believable…🚬

[acoustic epoch]

gives genunie critisism, labeled as bat. didn't know the fan base for this game was so rabid lol

[warm breach]

soldiers hunting cannibals and zombies and more

[proud lynx]

I’m gonna play more demo tonight and gonna write my own feedback. This chain has gone long enough with circles over the same issues

[simple onyx]

just to clarify, no one is having a go at anyone for people not feeling the demo. it's more just the overly pessimistic attitude with nothing to substantiate it over a demo for a game that isn't even in early access yet

[acoustic epoch]

yeah exactly. my original post outlined my issues well, as well as some fixes

[tired solstice]

ooo, so that sounds fun 😅 help the blads take over the town, and become allied with them and just have a safehaven 😂 😂 - open up a resturant and poison ur custommers, putting them to sleep so u can enslave them with the safity of 500 blads protecting u around the city 😂 😂

[warm breach]

https://tenor.com/view/office-michael-scott-thank-you-gif-5278681

[acoustic epoch]

I was literally insulted by multiple people here man

what are you on

[wraith token]

No I'm just mean

[warm breach]

that would be pretty funny yeah

[proud lynx]

Dw about him he is a white colored and a non blue colored member

[vocal beacon]

I'm not pessimistic, im realistic. just from what i see so far there is no room for optimism

[wraith token]

That's what they all say

[vocal beacon]

?

[wraith token]

The pessimistic people

That's what they say

[vocal beacon]

whatever, im not going to waste more time for these morons

[wraith token]

Godspeed

[regal siren]

y'all still here arguing?? really?

[proud lynx]

🍿

[wraith token]

Yes

[hexed heron]

I 100%ed the game too and I have over 900hours in it

[acoustic epoch]

It's crazy how hostile some people can get for simply sharing feedback on a demo

[trail hatch]

yeaah we shouuld stop arguing in here and post our feedback and suggestions in other threads ,, this is waaayy too big to read through already

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-a-massive-book-meme-tiktok-gif-27559836

[acoustic epoch]

good for you?

[proud lynx]

🤓 ☝🏻 then why doesn’t he have blue if he 100%d the game

[broken bison]

https://imgur.com/omoiild

[acoustic epoch]

this but true

611 damn

[hollow lodge]

Matts gonna see this thread and think woah must be a lot of feedback with so many messages

[wraith token]

Did you dislike your own post?

[proud lynx]

He did

[tired solstice]

isnt like half of those yours tho? 😅

[broken bison]

He 100%d game, don't forget

[wraith token]

I haven't

[proud lynx]

You sure?

[wraith token]

No

[hexed heron]

What dose blue mean? How do you get it

[proud lynx]

@acoustic epoch link him to your message of 100%d the game

[acoustic epoch]

seeing as this post will def get noticed by the devs I'm editing the first meessage in the post to add more

really wanna make the game as good as it can be

[proud lynx]

That you 100%d the game and apparently living proof that you did. It’s not needed but for ego boosting

[hexed heron]

Oh. Well I joined the sub a few months back. And I completed the game about a year or so ago.

[proud lynx]

All it is is bragging rights, but when a lot of people start getting it it just becomes a glorified title with no meaning.

[hexed heron]

I mean I don’t care about bragging rights but I do have a picture to prove I’m not talking out of my ass

[proud lynx]

Anyway, imma finish work up, and then I’m gonna play more demo and write an in depth feedback tonight

[acoustic epoch]

go to gen chat and upload a sc of you having all the big quests finished

you'll get the rolee

you gotta ping a mod doe

[hexed heron]

Okay I’ll do that when I get off work

[acoustic epoch]

k

[regal siren]

I can't even imagine what litterally death itself is going to do with the demo

[acoustic epoch]

YOU HAVENT EVEN PLAYED IT?!?!?!

dawg

[hexed heron]

He said play more of it

[regal siren]

they littereally said "more demo"

[wraith token]

Play MORE demo dumbass

[regal siren]

😭

[acoustic epoch]

can you pleasee leave the thread hostility is not welcome here

[hexed heron]

Now I haven’t played it yet cuz I’ve been stuck at work

[acoustic epoch]

everything can be experienced in like an hour or so lol

[wraith token]

you feel more hostile than me but idk

[acoustic epoch]

the way he said it it makes it seem like he played little

[regal siren]

You're right, but it's streets of rogue, it's fun to mess around to an extent

[hexed heron]

You said “haven’t even played it”
Not “haven’t played it much”

[acoustic epoch]

same thing

[regal siren]

I think everyone should go on their merry way now, no need to keep arguing pointlessly

[wraith token]

https://tenor.com/view/not-in-the-slightest-moira-moira-rose-catherine-ohara-schitts-creek-gif-20256055

[hexed heron]

Yah 650+ comments is crazy

[wraith token]

Crazy I was crazy once...

[acoustic epoch]

feel free to comment on any feedback i left. I added a few more things to the comment right under the main post

[wraith token]

They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats and the rats made me crazy

[vocal beacon]

fight still continue here? im starting to get convinced it's rabies or some other disease

[acoustic epoch]

i'm talkin about the game idk what these guys are

[wraith token]

Why, you were free but you returned. Why?

[regal siren]

it's something much worse, unprovoked hate

[wraith token]

Idk about hate

But maybe hostile

[naive mason]

the criticisms are valid. i would just remove the "sucks" and "sucks ass" from the original message and it would be fine

[wraith token]

Hello Matt and/or mods, when you have to read all this I am truly sorry

[vocal beacon]

even though it's people like you that are responsible for it

[wraith token]

Yeah that's why I'm saying sorry

[acoustic epoch]

i'd rather not edit the og message

[acoustic epoch]

i'd rather not edit the og message

but yeah thx

just expressing my thoughts

[wraith token]

Double message. That's weird

[regal siren]

this wasn't necessary at all

why do you keep going?