really difficult class, cant see past like 5 tiles, cant teleport, low damage, cant drive, like a 0.5 second delay between input and your character actually doing something, low health, low speed, health goes down very slowly, needs to buy VERY VERY expensive medication to not have health go down, but the medication only helps for a bit. does start with a decent amount of money though because of idk being old, and gets small amounts of money now and then due to pension
#old man
open violet
hard basalt
can only drive a weak mobility scoter.
winged mirage
Did you just like your own suggestion?
open violet
Did you just like your own suggestion?
Did you just dislike my own suggestion?
winged mirage
Did you just dislike my own suggestion?
Yes
stiff viper
Tough to say
It's gonna be the most challenged class that need lots of work to finish the game with. At least, the class should have some buff or positive traits from npc or surround environment?
steel stump
Idk, challenge classes are a thing, think of wes from don't starve
Tho, one upside they could get
Maybe they have a "caregiver"
Maybe called through something like the walkie-talkie
cunning pollen
I like it. Don't like it, don't play it!
noble magnet
But then you have to do the big quest for every character, including this one. and this is just straight up not very fun. even characters I don't like are fun. this is not.
visual ivy
we alredy have comedian
open violet
Tough to say
It's gonna be the most challenged class that need lots of work to f...
less likely to be attacked by people, most people are friendly and wont attack you for trespassing or stealing, however theives are more likely to attack you and do more damage to you, unless you have a gun (funny reference to that one "call an ambulance but not for me" meme)
open violet
imagine thinking lag in your inputs is a good mechanic
arthiritis
make it so it lags more and more depending on the time since your last medication
every minute = 0.2s delay
bold dove
or, ya know, the character doesnt need lag?
stiff viper
less likely to be attacked by people, most people are friendly and wont attack y...
Hey, that's gonna be interesting man. And love the reference too
bold dove
challenge characters are fine, but making it so you cant react is bad?
open violet
or, ya know, the character doesnt need lag?
back in my day sonny boy you younguns wouldnt talk back to us old people
bold dove
its expensive?
open violet
you can attack, you spawn with a walking frame
open violet
its expensive?
you start with loads of money
bold dove
so whats the point of this character?
open violet
challenge
bold dove
i dont want to play a five hour run to do the big quest
this doenst mesh well with the gameplay of the game
errant zealot
i saw "old man" and immediately thought of 106
bold dove
you die when something uses a gun, you really couldnt do anything
errant zealot
but this does not sound like the best idea
now, playing as radical larry, that I think would be more interesting
visual ivy
People will suggest the worst balanced ideas know to man and put the "challenge" tag on them cus it means they dont have to worry about design
merry ridge
People will suggest the worst balanced ideas know to man and put the "challenge"...
Imagine genuinely thinking input lag is a good feature 
visual ivy
Also gendered name
Inmediatally destroyed
bold dove
like im fine with challenge characters but at least try to make them fun
neat bluff
Lets go new investment banker but worse 💯
bold dove
You not even fast
neat bluff
ok?
cunning pollen
Fast characters = good game design
neat bluff
Is that not the point of a challange? It's supposed to be hard ._.
bold dove
Slow characters != bad game design
This
cunning pollen
😎
Gotcha
I've read a few books on it, designed some board and card games, written a few SOR mods. So no, not one bit.
neat bluff
-_-
bold dove
I dont wanna play a slow character with 20 health and input lag
neat bluff
Then don't ._.
cunning pollen
I think they'll at least be less mandatory than in the first game
neat bluff
ye
neat bluff
Slow characters != bad game design
Hey you edited it >:(
noble magnet
You're forced to play the character if you want to do every big quest.
noble magnet
Even if they'll be less mandatory if you want to do them, you have to play this character.
The character has very little upside with very large downside, which mitigates the fun part of a challenge.
neat bluff
I mean isn't that what a challange is tho-
noble magnet
Most of the game will be you just walking
You can't drive
Walking to get medicine, walking to do your quests.
No faster alternative.
visual ivy
Fast characters = good game design
boomer shooter
noble magnet
There's a difference between "absurd difficulty" and "fun challenge"
visual ivy
both can be good this is not
i have a friend who is fan of both extremely fast games and tactical games
noble magnet
By the time you ever get anywhere you need to get your Medicine again:
visual ivy
this is just laaaaaaaameeeeeee
too many uninteresting downsides that just make the gameplay more dull
like we dont know how teleporting its going to work but straight up disabling it?
oh and the VERY VERY expensive medication to survive
visual ivy
it does not mix with being basically taken away from any movement
i just really dislike when people make bad game design in the name of challenge
noble magnet
How would you even play?
You're too weak to engage in combat yet simultaneously too slow to effectively sneak through missions.
visual ivy
reminds me of that other suggestion that was a mutator that made so every 1 minute a very annoying filter would be put on the screen making it harder to see
noble magnet
The only way to actually do well is to hire other people, which works for the character. But you have no bonus to hiring others and no real benefits besides "money"
visual ivy
you also need the limited money you have to get meds
and relying on followers is itself pretty much investing on luck
neat bluff
You guys know this is probably a joke right?
noble magnet
Joke characters can be good too
So I don’t really see how it being a joke changes anything
open violet
How would you even play?
You're too weak to engage in combat yet simultaneously...
you start with a gun that turns people into old people, with a 25% chance of turning them into a skeleton
with like 25 ammo or smthn
noble magnet
That's not even fun.
It makes no sense in the context of the character.
and it's stupid.
Also it doesn't solve the problem that you can't actually fight people.
cunning pollen
The version I like has the "pathetic" trait, where anyone Neutral or better will defend you in combat. Could be easy, but I bet it's not hard to screw it up by getting overconfident
noble magnet
I mean that's a little better. but not by much.
bold dove
It's not even funny how bad it is, it's just sad